I sang with an Italian touring company starring Mario Filippeschi when we did the Trovatore in Madrid and he came from between the soldiers holding the ‘mi’ of the ‘alarmmi’ with sword held high walking down stage they dropped the curtain on his sword still holding the high C. He was furious! They raised the curtain again to do his ‘bis’ with another 20 sec high C. It was round and full. But we can't forget the high C’s of Franco Bonisolli at Verona's Arena. He like Filippeschi, sang it twice.
Vorrei rispondere a pansan953 che ha parlato di Del Monaco ne "Il trovatore".Caro amico,Del Monaco sisuramente formidabile in opere tipo "Otello" ma devi sapere che "La Pira" del Trovatore non era per lui che la abbassava di mezzo tono o di un tono intero come anche Corelli (che aveva addirittura paura di quella nota).L'unico che non l'ha mai abbassata è stato Filippeschi: ascoltati il suo "Di quella Pira" del dicembre 1957 al SanCarlo di Napoli!!!
@rturi1 tantissimi abbassavano questa cabaletta di mezzo tono, ma mai Del Monaco l'abbassò di un tono, ci fu il grande Gino Penno che l'abbassò di un tono e mezzo. Filippeschi e Salvarezza (anche Lauri Volpi) erano dei fenomeni, molto ridicolo era Bonissolli, nulla a che vedere con questi mostri sacri
Germany and Austria are well known for ridicolous staging and no knowledge about Italian Opera traditions... Ok, we could say that it's like the tale of the "Wolf and the Grapes"... when you can't reach something it's better to dislike it... del Monaco was a hero in germany, but now they seem not to understand him anymore. Have my best wishes for you career, you are a honest person and you deserve the best.
Voce baritonale che esplode nel tenore. Il suo do è unico meraviglioso. La sua potenza è sconvolgente. Non si può paragonare a nessuno. E' stato il migliore e lo sarà o paura per sempre. Grande Mario la tua voce era un dono di Dio. FOrtunatamente ci è rimasta nelle registrazioni.
As to the question of if Del Monaco had a high c of course he did and Afro Poli should listen to the 1946 Ballo love duet and a later one here on youtube and he took a c in the concertato of Aida from Mexico with Callas. Its pretty hard to fake every one of them. Afro Poli must have faked high notes on the brain. Mario Del Monaco was the greatest dramatic tenor of the last century and he was highly skilled at high tessitura music like Isabeau and Francesca da Rimini.Corelli couldn't touch him.
@XP11XP Because of the horrid soprano in the Ballo duet who sang so off pitch to beg comparison you clearly hear the c''. Very, very little of the repertoire of a dramatic tenor requires a c and Del Monaco was actually a fairly good musician not given to interpolation of unwritten high notes. There are so many high bs on youtube listen and then tell me that that was his top. If you listen you will notice that the voice acquires more power and fullness as he goes up the stave.
He has a strong voice and a lot of impressing skills, but even though this is enough for becoming a legend, it is insufficient for having a broader repertoire. I wouldn't give a penny for hearing him in Bizet or Mascagni, but for Wagner (which he did a lot) and everything that's heroic, why not. Today's world is so full of people who can only sing one genre, why shouldn't we appreciate this with earlier singers as well.
And yet another fake version of the RAI 1957 recording that was transposed. He never sang a high C. If he had such a great high C why did he always fake it???
If you knew anything about MDM you would know he never "faked" anything. To assume that he had anything to do with the speed of this video that over a half a century old is ridiculous. MDM had a high C but like most big voiced tenors he rarely sang it. Why are you so willful to be publicly ignorant?
@bposton242 If you clame that you have to prove it. Too bad you can't. Bad legend never dies. He had a poor C. Filippeschi had a great C and he sang it all the time. If you have it, you sing it, if you don't have it, you don't. Yes, it is that simple.
@redhead529 Check out DelMonaco also with the same aria. The guy was the most incredible dramatic tenor of the past 60+ years. Some jerk on the site was stating that DelMonaco couldn't sing high Cs and it was fake. He was told that Mario never faked anything. His high Cs in this aria really spin and are far far superior to Domingo who has trouble with anything beyond Bb. Dramatics like DelMonaco are rare and so are their participations in singing high Cs. He was awesome.
@brunobrandy, Again, you're absolutely right. The high Cs are perfect. I don't know but what I like DelMonico's version even better than Corelli's. That final high C absolutely rings and is dead on pitch. You're right also about Domingo never being a high C man to begin with. He was a baritone when he started out...and is singing Bocanegra this season. Wouldn't mind hearing it...just out of curiosity.
The role of Manrico was by far a better fit for Corelli and he absolutely knocked it out. You can tell that some psychos on this site have it in for Del Monaco and try to tell me that a world class tenor couldn't sing high Cs. Absurd. As I told the DS I have sung opera as a baritone and any day of the week can vocalize to Bb and sometimes beyond. The point is that dramatic tenors weren't called on much at all to this lofty level, but it didn't mean they didn't have it.
@brunobrandy Last answer to you. A) Singing an aria is something totally else than vocalizing. We are not talking about vocalizing. B) If he had a great high C why did he always transpose when he had to sing one live and C) Why did he speed up old recordings and lip-synched to them? If he had such a great high C he could just have sung them. Now, you might doubt that he transposed. But then go and study his recordings. There are 120 operas and a few recitals. Then we talk again.
@AfroPoli The point once again is that even Corelli had this transposed down during performances. Who said he sped up old recordings? No one said he had a "great" high C but he had one. A hell of a lot better than Domingo who busts a gut beyond Bb and squuezes his notes in those levels. DelMonaco despite what some -0- like you says was a great dramatic tenor. You are in a very small minority who for some reason seem to hate his guts. What's with your little personal crusade anyway?
@AfroPoli Transposing this aria a half tone has always been acceptable.Del Monaco had a pretty heavy voice&perhaps he did not have the confidence in his high C. He did sing an occasional C in his earlier days in Aida&Ballo. He also hits a D-flat in the Terzetto with Bastianini&Gencer which you do avoid to mention.However High C or not, it did not diminish his greatness as the most popular dramatic tenor of our time.Lets also mention his impeccable diction& phrasing&tremendous high notes.
@brunobrandy, I've listened to both again and find that Corelli is more satisfying dramatically. i think I've got th listen to both a few more ties, and then get back to you on which I prefer.
@brunobrandy, It certainly spares the embarrassment of being unable to hit the note in performance. Pavarotti actuallly told the story of the time he was booed at La Scala because his voice cracked on a high note or two. Pav actually went on to say that the only person who wasn't booed that night was Samuel Ramey. To be fair, thogh, I've heard of Ramey insisting he could hit a particular note in a performance of Semiramide and then choking on the note in performance.
@brunobrandy , I've come rather late to the appreciation of the tenor voice. Always favored the lower male voices...didn't like tenors. then decided I had better learn to at least know a good tenor when I heard one. It's been a long process, but I'm getting there. It's always good to talk with someone like yourself who knows more than I do. I learn something that way, and that's a good thing.
redhead529...being a baritone I always liked the arias the tenors were given. My late friend Bill from Denver who I sung with for years sung at the Met for 3 years. He was on stage during 24 of Corelli's perfomances. Bill was a strong tenor in fact during one of Richard Tuckers visits to sing a recital in Denver he told the crowd that they should be proud to have a fine young tenor such as Bill. This was after Bill won the Met auditions.Corelli was always Bill's favorite.
@brunobrandy, It seems we often like the voice type that we don't possess. I'm a soprano, but always admired the mezzos. Marilyn Horne was a goddess to me. Von Otter, von Stade, Larmore, Genaux, Mentzer, Domashenko, are all ones I admire, too.
@brunobrandy, I learn something from each singer, too. Horne and Ramey taught me to appreciate Rossini. I thought Frank Lopardo was just another tenor until I heard him sing Rossini. Suzanne Mentzer taught me that even though I might not like the vocal tone of a particular singer, I still can appreciate what that singer can do with his or her voice. Mentzer's voice has always sounded a bit brittle and metallic to me, but wow, what she can do with her voice.
@brunobrandy, I found opera all by myself at 6 or 7 years of age...on Voice of Firestone. The first opera singer I remember hearing was Dorothy Kirsten. I htought opera was absolutely splendid. Everyone else in the family couldn't understand it. As I grew up, I heard Tucker, Peerce, Tebaldi, Merrill, Peters, Moffo, Treigle, Sills, Price, Milnes.
Dear God. I went your videos and you seem to be obsessed with this, LOL. I couldn't find any of the videos of you singing, high C's or otherwise. Interesting.
Of course not. Everyone can have an opinion. However, not everyone can be an annoying critic without the ability to empathize with the talent required to do what you spite. People remember MDM. They do not remember critics.
@bposton242 actually some of the best students of the voice and best teachers even are not singers themselves. the most knowledgeable man vocally that i know is not a singer but has a speech pathology background a is a concert pianist. he knows the voice and can teach it better than anyone else i have personally studied with including some fairly famous people with solid careers. so personally i have to disagree with this comment.often times singers can do but not teach what they do effectively.
@bposton242 I sang in an Italian company staring Filippeschi in Spain. In Madrid we put on Trovatore and on opening night they dropped the curtain after about 15 seconds into his last high C. He rushed forward with drawn sword and held the curtain until they raised it again for his encore and left it open until the high C ended 30 sec later! His voice was as full as MDM (Mario was a colleague and next door neighbor in EUR Rome. (He bought my Cadillac) Mario's voice was more dramatic not bigger.
@brunobrandy You are so stupid it's hard to believe. This is not a high C as the recording is played with wrong speed. If you don't believe it you are too clueless about del Monaco and talking to you makes no sense.
@AfroPoli Tell me Afro..what CLUE do you have about Del Monaco and why the vendetta? I'm a baritone who has sung opera and any day of the week I can vocalize up to Bb sometimes higher. You are obviously NOT a singer. Any tenor worth squat should be able to vocalize up to high C and beyond. It doesn't mean they are called on to do it in a performance or are even comfortable with it. Same with dramatic tenors like DelMonaco, but you're telling me a world class tenor couldn't hit Cs??
@AfroPoli You really should get a life. The stupid post you made of the fake high C in Turandot, as if MDM was somehow responsible for the recording, is actually beyond stupid. It is amazing how, by posing as some kind of expert, some fools might actually believe you know something. You know nulla, nulla, nulla.
Un cannone! One of the unique vocal phenomenons of all time, the voice reportedly made the La Scala Opera House chandeliers shake! The chorus sings with total passion and involvement, something we don't hear anymore; in fact, most singers today just phone in their performances because they won't or don't know how to take risks.
not in this video, in other videos of his later singing days. he is awesome here and in many other videos, operas, arias, lots of stuff. but sometimes, he just pushes. SOMEtimes
i saw him in this role when i was a teenager in the early 50's at the Shrine in L.A. I could remember like it was yesterday.I was sitting in the Cheap seats way back top deck.When he hit that high note in this aria it sounded like he was sitting next to me.!!!!
Come Persona non mi e stato mai simpatico. Ma come voce e stato senzazionale. L'arroganza bisogna lascarla da parte, essento stati baciati da Dio.....
bocelli is the result of our era: computer and studios can create a star from any so and so singer.... his voice can't be heard from the 5th row on...
It's a straight translation from swedish meaning that he can't project his voice over an orchestra.
My teachers are studied in italy under Pavarottis main teacher and also Alan Lindquest (Björling and Flagstads teacher) so you don't have to worry about them.
who cares! i love bocelli. there are very few good tenors in the world now. search Fortunato Moran, another tenor like Bocelli with a very gifted voice. computers can only create a single popular singer in Bocelli, otherwise, all tenors in the world are as famous to the public
@gaemp This is not completely right. My voice is probably not very good and I'm a unprofessional singer, but I would be able to reach the last corner from any house!.
@gaemp Sadly I agree with you!!!...when I auditioned two years ago ina well kwon Opera House in Germany, they told me:"Oh no!!...you cannot sing Del Monaco or Corelli style now in this days"...I said what????, we want a ligther tenor, with less volumen, because Il Trovatore is a love-hate story....until now don't understand...don't like at all their super modern fashion stagging!!!.Guess I am not the best tenor around, but still cannot understand their opinions...Bravoo Del Monaco!!!!
@seektheforce Sadly I have to agree with you!!! Hope they clean their minds again, and understand that voices like Del Monaco are to be held as model, to upcomming tenros.This how we get new generations of talented singers...not by wrongly trying to introduce "new, innovated, creative"ways, that end been so msitaken. I agree I am not the best singer,but...mmm...things must return to the correct ways!!!!
MdM is flat at 1:02.I wouldn't call you an idiot (like Caravadossi 1981 did)for admiring MdM-he was a great tenor, but one of my least favourites because all he could sing was FFF- all the time.I would suggest you find some of the great leggero tenors of the past and listen to them-then you won't have the tendency as so many young tenors have to become spintos or heldontenors.Build a voice to last a lifetime, and don't ruin it with big sings too soon.Good Luck!
I am not sure what gives you the idea I am trying to build a voice or that I want or need your advice on how to sing. MDM is slightly under pitch, almost imperceptible at 1:02, far from flat. I have listened to all the great leggero tenors of the past. Most modern leggero tenors sing like little girls and are drowned out by the orchestra because they sing with a high larynx. MDM could and did sing PP in many roles. Do you mean a voice that lasts a life time like MDM's who had a 40 year career?
I am a voice student currently training as a tenor. I have just started listening to Del Monaco, Corelli, DiStefano. So far I think Del Monaco is the finest. He just has so much power it doesn't even look like he is trying. Incredible!!
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YOU ARE AN IDIOT: i mean, i never liked the was Del Monaco sings, it is so "künstlich" and affected...also too much baritonal, he is not even a real tenor (haha)...so, dear friend i advise you to hear CORELLI and BJOERLING because they rule!!!! even Bergonzi is muuuch better as Del Monaco!!!! and research for the AURELIANO PERTILE recording of "Trovatore". don't hear Del Monaco again! the same mistake make the modern young baritones, they all hear George London..hahah viva GRANFORTE
Not only a great voice, the man was as handsome as any movie star. Poor Pavarotti, and the rest of the tenors today. There will probably never be another decade like the 60's with del Monaco, Corelli, Di Stefano. THAT WAS the dream team of tenors, with del Monaco (in my opinion) with the most perfect combination of voice, looks and acting talent.
Mario del Monaco owned this role- he gave it his all. I used to play this aria on early wintry mornings to help me wake up and,along with a cup of java, did the job. MDM had a tenor voice that wouldn't quit!
You are crazy LetItBe920, you know who is not looking like a pussy singing this aria compared with del monaco? Franco Corelli, There is not a better Di Quella Pira performance. Also I think that nobody can be compared with Mario's O Sole Mio.
You are kidding me, right? Bocelli sang this aria? Don't get me wrong, I like Bocelli but you got to know your limit as singer. What a joke! Bocelli should stick with light opera/pop type of song.
Man it is funny that people would even mention Bocelli in the same sentance as MDM. Anyone with ears can hear the obvious difference. MDM=a real opera singer Bocelli=a pop singer with an operatic style.
Dear bpost. Part 3: There is a huge difference between "pop" music and "popular opera". Melodious songs excerpted from La Traviata or any other italian operas, the Ave Maria, and similar songs, are easily accessible to anyone. Bocelli does NOT degrades opera. He makes it accessible to the mass. Now, make the effort of listening to Wagner's Tetralogy, from A to Z. Then come back to me. Then we can talk about REAL OPERA.. since you seem to be an expert in that field. Or are your really ?
Popular Opera? What is that? When he sang with Pavarotti he used a microphone. Pavarotti also sang with Sting. Does that make Sting an opera singer? Just because one sings opera arias in a CD does not make him an opera singer. If you do not know the difference it is ridiculous to discuss with you. If you want to call what Bocelli does "popular opera" that is fine with me. I think it degrades real opera but that is debatable.
Dear bpost. Part 1: I think we are not on the same wavelength for we started off with an awful misunderstanding. Now I'll try to make my point clear. Pavarotti was an opera singer. Do you agree ? Bocelli is also an opera singer. Do you agree ? Both are tenors. Do you agree ? Singing in the front of microphones is useful when you have an open air auditorium. Both Pavarotti and Bocelli proved they could do away with microphones while in a "opera house" where the acoustics are optimum.
Dear bpost. Part 2: For that reason, Pavarotti -like all the others - did use microphones whenever he was not in an OPERA HOUSE. Pavarotti may have sung with Sting; OK. I havn't heard that medley, so I can't tell. But that doesn't Pavarotti a "pop" singer. Mixing up "genres" is a good way of bringing people to opera and other styles, and Josh Groban has been successful in so doing. Bocelli IS an opera singer; he, too, has medleyed with other genres. I will no deny it.
my comment wasn't meant for you-don't know why it was posted to you-clerical error, as I was attempting to reach someone else.None of my comments were for your eyes...so never mind
Not bad at all, quite a good singer. But not as good as Pavarotti or Bocelli. He cannnot keep the last note as long and as powerfully as Pavaroti and Boccicelli do. And this sums it all up.
He is great but he doesn't sing the semitones on pi-i-i-ira fo-o-o-oco fi-i-i-ibre etc.Manrico wasn't his best role he rarely sang it.The tessitura was a bit high to his voice.Bonisolli was a great tenor especialy when he was young but some times his voice was throatty.
MDM A Great Tenor did good here but was really outdone by another fellow Italian.Lets cut all the crap about who sang "Di Quella Pira" the best.Franco Bonisolli sang this Ball-Busting Aria back to back No other tenor past or present has ever done that and he sang the "All'ar MI" to ridiculous lengths BOTH times.This is a No-Brainer folks Bonisolli is the BEST.Yoni89 i assure you,you wont be dissappointed lol.
Yoni89. Corelli was awesome and his Di Quella was just superb, but Bonisolli did the aria back to back in a actual performance complete with all 4 High C's,as the audience went totally berserk out of their minds.I don't believe another Tenor has ever done that nor would try to attempt it.Therefore i give the edge to Bonisolli on this most demanding aria. Bonisolli was quite mad you know , but damn he had a thunderous voice and could sing like a god.
Yes, most tenors wouldn't want to risk cracking on a C after a long performance; Bonisolli didn't give a damn if he cracked, he just went right on singing. If the audience booed, he would keep attempting the note until he hit it.
I agree G.O.S. Bonisolli didn't care if he cracked as he did at times , but you have to give him credit he ALWAYS vindicated himself.. He probably was the poster boy for the saying " Tenor's think with their testicles rather than their brains."
That is actually in reference to Anna Russell who said great singers in general (as opposed to great tenors in particular) had resonance where their brains should be.
Thanks for the reminder! I had obviously forgotten the correct quote. And I am a great admirer of Anna Russell ; heard her once live years ago in Carnegie Hall.
LASTIMA! Wonderful hero!! good song!!!
Konstantinfrol 1 month ago
LÁSTIMA !! NO HABRÁ OOTRO COMO ÉL !!! UNICO E INIGUALABLE, EL MEJOR !!!
Maripudelmonaco 2 months ago
What a hero :) Does anyone know when this is from?
MadonnaImperia 4 months ago
che volume ragazzi
kingstontry 4 months ago 4
I sang with an Italian touring company starring Mario Filippeschi when we did the Trovatore in Madrid and he came from between the soldiers holding the ‘mi’ of the ‘alarmmi’ with sword held high walking down stage they dropped the curtain on his sword still holding the high C. He was furious! They raised the curtain again to do his ‘bis’ with another 20 sec high C. It was round and full. But we can't forget the high C’s of Franco Bonisolli at Verona's Arena. He like Filippeschi, sang it twice.
tantris3 5 months ago
holy macaroni! what just hit me?!? You da-man, Mario Dee. Phew. Lucky dogs who got to see and hear you live.
atlatahuac 6 months ago 6
Man, that's HAWT! That's squillo!
manfredfinch 7 months ago
Two big powerful High C+
Doooku 7 months ago
Bravo !!!
14neutrol 7 months ago
Rimango del parere che Aureliano Pertile sia stato il migliore Manrico di sempre. Ascoltare per credere.
To my mind Aureliano Pertile has been the greatest Manrico of all times
Luigi43Z 8 months ago
I never get tired of listen to this aria sang by MDM!
kidd32888 8 months ago
alaaaaaar!!!!!! (¿y el Mii?)
ellicantropos 11 months ago
Vorrei rispondere a pansan953 che ha parlato di Del Monaco ne "Il trovatore".Caro amico,Del Monaco sisuramente formidabile in opere tipo "Otello" ma devi sapere che "La Pira" del Trovatore non era per lui che la abbassava di mezzo tono o di un tono intero come anche Corelli (che aveva addirittura paura di quella nota).L'unico che non l'ha mai abbassata è stato Filippeschi: ascoltati il suo "Di quella Pira" del dicembre 1957 al SanCarlo di Napoli!!!
rturi1 11 months ago
@rturi1 perchè bonisolli quando mai l'ha abbassata? ed in più faceva il bis durante l'opera!!!!!
suchero 11 months ago
@rturi1 tantissimi abbassavano questa cabaletta di mezzo tono, ma mai Del Monaco l'abbassò di un tono, ci fu il grande Gino Penno che l'abbassò di un tono e mezzo. Filippeschi e Salvarezza (anche Lauri Volpi) erano dei fenomeni, molto ridicolo era Bonissolli, nulla a che vedere con questi mostri sacri
NinaMicheltorena1 6 months ago
@rturi1 I think Volpi also sang it in original key
sugarbist 6 months ago
che espressività
rasataplanta 1 year ago
Ottimo video e ottime prestazioni !*****
BRAVO!!!
Con i migliori auguri, Olga.
Oliy92466 1 year ago
Germany and Austria are well known for ridicolous staging and no knowledge about Italian Opera traditions... Ok, we could say that it's like the tale of the "Wolf and the Grapes"... when you can't reach something it's better to dislike it... del Monaco was a hero in germany, but now they seem not to understand him anymore. Have my best wishes for you career, you are a honest person and you deserve the best.
gaemp 1 year ago
Del Monaco's tenor is most suitable for the heavier Verdi roles. Wow and bravo!
fashionablesixties 1 year ago
Real man. Many tenors nowadays sing like soprano ))))) He's great.
rebekkar1979 1 year ago 22
@rebekkar1979
This is the greatest comment I've seen. I totally agreed with you!!
Doooku 1 year ago
@rebekkar1979 Wisely said! Creative comment which represents nowdays situation
spyridon77 1 year ago
simply the best
44rubino 1 year ago 3
Voce baritonale che esplode nel tenore. Il suo do è unico meraviglioso. La sua potenza è sconvolgente. Non si può paragonare a nessuno. E' stato il migliore e lo sarà o paura per sempre. Grande Mario la tua voce era un dono di Dio. FOrtunatamente ci è rimasta nelle registrazioni.
pansan953 1 year ago
@pansan953 DA BRIVIDI
andyroma72 1 year ago
non ne nasceranno più
2cri2 1 year ago
As to the question of if Del Monaco had a high c of course he did and Afro Poli should listen to the 1946 Ballo love duet and a later one here on youtube and he took a c in the concertato of Aida from Mexico with Callas. Its pretty hard to fake every one of them. Afro Poli must have faked high notes on the brain. Mario Del Monaco was the greatest dramatic tenor of the last century and he was highly skilled at high tessitura music like Isabeau and Francesca da Rimini.Corelli couldn't touch him.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor But he did never sing a high C alone (unless in studio) according to AfroPoli`s article on Historical Tenors website.
XP11XP 1 year ago
@XP11XP Because of the horrid soprano in the Ballo duet who sang so off pitch to beg comparison you clearly hear the c''. Very, very little of the repertoire of a dramatic tenor requires a c and Del Monaco was actually a fairly good musician not given to interpolation of unwritten high notes. There are so many high bs on youtube listen and then tell me that that was his top. If you listen you will notice that the voice acquires more power and fullness as he goes up the stave.
gaytenor 1 year ago
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Waldsaenger 1 year ago
Tan grandeeee, esto es un Tenor Dramatico Legendario
dabriantenor 1 year ago
del monaco could be the single most powerful tenor, other than coreelli. what year was this? what an archive!
libetta 1 year ago 2
@libetta Bad rendition of the aria...listen to Di Stefanoand learn how a lyric tenore could become a spinto end heroic tenor.
fabriou 1 year ago
He has a strong voice and a lot of impressing skills, but even though this is enough for becoming a legend, it is insufficient for having a broader repertoire. I wouldn't give a penny for hearing him in Bizet or Mascagni, but for Wagner (which he did a lot) and everything that's heroic, why not. Today's world is so full of people who can only sing one genre, why shouldn't we appreciate this with earlier singers as well.
NaegaJayo 1 year ago
And yet another fake version of the RAI 1957 recording that was transposed. He never sang a high C. If he had such a great high C why did he always fake it???
AfroPoli 1 year ago
If you knew anything about MDM you would know he never "faked" anything. To assume that he had anything to do with the speed of this video that over a half a century old is ridiculous. MDM had a high C but like most big voiced tenors he rarely sang it. Why are you so willful to be publicly ignorant?
bposton242 1 year ago
@bposton242 If you clame that you have to prove it. Too bad you can't. Bad legend never dies. He had a poor C. Filippeschi had a great C and he sang it all the time. If you have it, you sing it, if you don't have it, you don't. Yes, it is that simple.
AfroPoli 1 year ago
@AfroPoli THIS was a poor high C??
Do you have hearing issues, bud? This
was one of the great dramatic tenors of
all time and though he often did not sing
high Cs he did have it. Check the spin
of the vibrato...it's all there unlike the
over rated Domingo who struggles with
any note beyond Bb
brunobrandy 1 year ago
We meet again brunobrandy. I thought I'd check out del Monaco too!
redhead529 1 year ago
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@brunobrandy He could not sing a High C Jejune
By the way cretin MDM never pretended he had a high C
CommendatoreFranco 1 year ago
@brunobrandy, Again, you're absolutely right. The high Cs are perfect. I don't know but what I like DelMonico's version even better than Corelli's. That final high C absolutely rings and is dead on pitch. You're right also about Domingo never being a high C man to begin with. He was a baritone when he started out...and is singing Bocanegra this season. Wouldn't mind hearing it...just out of curiosity.
redhead529 1 year ago
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@brunobrandy Last answer to you. A) Singing an aria is something totally else than vocalizing. We are not talking about vocalizing. B) If he had a great high C why did he always transpose when he had to sing one live and C) Why did he speed up old recordings and lip-synched to them? If he had such a great high C he could just have sung them. Now, you might doubt that he transposed. But then go and study his recordings. There are 120 operas and a few recitals. Then we talk again.
AfroPoli 1 year ago
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@AfroPoli Transposing this aria a half tone has always been acceptable.Del Monaco had a pretty heavy voice&perhaps he did not have the confidence in his high C. He did sing an occasional C in his earlier days in Aida&Ballo. He also hits a D-flat in the Terzetto with Bastianini&Gencer which you do avoid to mention.However High C or not, it did not diminish his greatness as the most popular dramatic tenor of our time.Lets also mention his impeccable diction& phrasing&tremendous high notes.
sugarbist 6 months ago 7
@brunobrandy, I've listened to both again and find that Corelli is more satisfying dramatically. i think I've got th listen to both a few more ties, and then get back to you on which I prefer.
redhead529 1 year ago
@redhead529 It wasn't a role that Del
Monaco really played and his high Cs were not of the caliber consistenly as was
Corelli. Corelli and others would have
the C transposed down to at least a B
for performances for rmany reasons. This
of course is a studio recording and it is
a high C.
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@brunobrandy, It certainly spares the embarrassment of being unable to hit the note in performance. Pavarotti actuallly told the story of the time he was booed at La Scala because his voice cracked on a high note or two. Pav actually went on to say that the only person who wasn't booed that night was Samuel Ramey. To be fair, thogh, I've heard of Ramey insisting he could hit a particular note in a performance of Semiramide and then choking on the note in performance.
redhead529 1 year ago
@brunobrandy , I've come rather late to the appreciation of the tenor voice. Always favored the lower male voices...didn't like tenors. then decided I had better learn to at least know a good tenor when I heard one. It's been a long process, but I'm getting there. It's always good to talk with someone like yourself who knows more than I do. I learn something that way, and that's a good thing.
redhead529 1 year ago
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@brunobrandy, It seems we often like the voice type that we don't possess. I'm a soprano, but always admired the mezzos. Marilyn Horne was a goddess to me. Von Otter, von Stade, Larmore, Genaux, Mentzer, Domashenko, are all ones I admire, too.
redhead529 1 year ago
@redhead529 Well said. Horne was a
wonderful singer. I always looked forward to her teaming up with Sutherland. Good choices by the way.
I remember well the golden age of voice
at the Met during the 50s and 60s though
I was quite young. There was great depth
in every voice range. You have very good
taste by the way.
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@brunobrandy, I learn something from each singer, too. Horne and Ramey taught me to appreciate Rossini. I thought Frank Lopardo was just another tenor until I heard him sing Rossini. Suzanne Mentzer taught me that even though I might not like the vocal tone of a particular singer, I still can appreciate what that singer can do with his or her voice. Mentzer's voice has always sounded a bit brittle and metallic to me, but wow, what she can do with her voice.
redhead529 1 year ago
@brunobrandy, I found opera all by myself at 6 or 7 years of age...on Voice of Firestone. The first opera singer I remember hearing was Dorothy Kirsten. I htought opera was absolutely splendid. Everyone else in the family couldn't understand it. As I grew up, I heard Tucker, Peerce, Tebaldi, Merrill, Peters, Moffo, Treigle, Sills, Price, Milnes.
redhead529 1 year ago
Dear God. I went your videos and you seem to be obsessed with this, LOL. I couldn't find any of the videos of you singing, high C's or otherwise. Interesting.
bposton242 1 year ago
@bposton242 Why should I sing a high C? What a silly comment... I am not even a singer.
AfroPoli 1 year ago
Of course not. Everyone can have an opinion. However, not everyone can be an annoying critic without the ability to empathize with the talent required to do what you spite. People remember MDM. They do not remember critics.
bposton242 1 year ago
@bposton242 LOL. If telling the truth about Del Monaco's fake videos is being annoying, I am glad to be an annoying critic.
AfroPoli 1 year ago
@AfroPoli What's with your obsession,
bud? Why are hating on DelMonaco?
His was one of the great voices of the
past century...you...youi're nothing.
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@bposton242 actually some of the best students of the voice and best teachers even are not singers themselves. the most knowledgeable man vocally that i know is not a singer but has a speech pathology background a is a concert pianist. he knows the voice and can teach it better than anyone else i have personally studied with including some fairly famous people with solid careers. so personally i have to disagree with this comment.often times singers can do but not teach what they do effectively.
bigus 1 year ago
Are you claiming Filippeschi was a dramatic tenor? The weight of his voice is incomparable to that of MDM.
bposton242 1 year ago
Yes he was. A great Radames and a Manrico much better than del Monaco.
AfroPoli 1 year ago
Buzzer sound....wrong answer. Try again please.
bposton242 1 year ago 3
@bposton242 I sang in an Italian company staring Filippeschi in Spain. In Madrid we put on Trovatore and on opening night they dropped the curtain after about 15 seconds into his last high C. He rushed forward with drawn sword and held the curtain until they raised it again for his encore and left it open until the high C ended 30 sec later! His voice was as full as MDM (Mario was a colleague and next door neighbor in EUR Rome. (He bought my Cadillac) Mario's voice was more dramatic not bigger.
tantris3 1 year ago
@tantris3 please, tell me more of mario filippeschi. he was incredible and he sang "di quella pira" always in key with giant HIGH C!!!
suchero 5 months ago
@AfroPoli seems you are losing your time with poston an ex member of gt MDM never had a high C and he never claim he did
CommendatoreFranco 1 year ago
@CommendatoreFranco Ah, GT... I see. That explains it. Thanks a lot for the info.
AfroPoli 1 year ago
You know what "afro"..it sounds like the
workings within your brain need an
adjustment like your attitude. Listen to
what bposton is telling you. This was
one of the great tenors of the past
century FYI.
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@brunobrandy You are so stupid it's hard to believe. This is not a high C as the recording is played with wrong speed. If you don't believe it you are too clueless about del Monaco and talking to you makes no sense.
AfroPoli 1 year ago
@AfroPoli Sure Afro...everything was
playied at the wrong speed....all over
YouTube so many pieces doctored up
with wrong speeds, phony voices..you
name it...it's all just one being fraud...
maybe even a conspiracy????
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@brunobrandy You just have no clue about Del Monaco. Waste of time to talk to you.
AfroPoli 1 year ago
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@brunobrandy Bposton what a reference an Amato singer
CommendatoreFranco 1 year ago
@CommendatoreFranco By the way
FF cretin you and you're butt buddy Afro
are both delusional idiots.
brunobrandy 1 year ago
@AfroPoli You really should get a life. The stupid post you made of the fake high C in Turandot, as if MDM was somehow responsible for the recording, is actually beyond stupid. It is amazing how, by posing as some kind of expert, some fools might actually believe you know something. You know nulla, nulla, nulla.
rdargenio 1 month ago
Non sapevo che Batman cantasse cosi' bene la Pira ::)
federricoilgrande 1 year ago
loooool. Ma dai! xD
Si è vero nè la scenografia nè i costumi sono il massimo, ma che ci vuoi fare, produttori e registi non si chiamano tutti Franco Zeffirelli ;)
PickBit 1 year ago
non è un Tenore. è un Coro di Tenori !
CorsoSanGottardo 2 years ago
Un cannone! One of the unique vocal phenomenons of all time, the voice reportedly made the La Scala Opera House chandeliers shake! The chorus sings with total passion and involvement, something we don't hear anymore; in fact, most singers today just phone in their performances because they won't or don't know how to take risks.
billyguns2 2 years ago
ok normally i hear del monaco and every real high note is big but so FLAT. However, hear his high C's are big, full, and right in tune! so good
gdawg116 2 years ago
ok i dont understand. I compliment del monaco and I get two thumbs down??? what the heck!
gdawg116 2 years ago
It could be your description of his real big high note as Sooo FLAT!
tauheke 2 years ago
not in this video, in other videos of his later singing days. he is awesome here and in many other videos, operas, arias, lots of stuff. but sometimes, he just pushes. SOMEtimes
gdawg116 2 years ago
DEL MONACO TENORE DEI TENORI
andyroma72 2 years ago 27
@andyroma72 Lo puoi dire forte!! Ma lo sentite che personalità e virilità!?
iguarni 5 months ago 2
Very good job! I've never heard of him.
Lassann 2 years ago
Majestic!!!!
mayflash67 2 years ago 2
i saw him in this role when i was a teenager in the early 50's at the Shrine in L.A. I could remember like it was yesterday.I was sitting in the Cheap seats way back top deck.When he hit that high note in this aria it sounded like he was sitting next to me.!!!!
citrussorbet 2 years ago
I can hear the propper sound U in every his vowel...it is the propper vocal school de l`U...
svjatazarov 2 years ago
his vocal school de l`U is perfect...the voice is even and mature, it outshines and diminishes all other tenors of the world...
svjatazarov 2 years ago
he is beyond all comparison to other tenors, he is devine...
svjatazarov 2 years ago
Walla! A voice made in steel...
LardoDiColonnata 2 years ago
Tremendous!!!
Englishtenor2 2 years ago
Mamma mia che forza!!!!!!
iguarni 2 years ago
Come Persona non mi e stato mai simpatico. Ma come voce e stato senzazionale. L'arroganza bisogna lascarla da parte, essento stati baciati da Dio.....
kritikoreal 2 years ago
l'hai conosciuto? perchè io l'ho conosciuto e non era affatto arrogante.
se le persone le vivi e le conosci fino in fondo puoi parlare altrimenti no.
nnsochedirti 2 years ago
Il divino
nnsochedirti 2 years ago
bocelli is the result of our era: computer and studios can create a star from any so and so singer.... his voice can't be heard from the 5th row on...
gaemp 2 years ago 15
I've asked several teachers about their oppinion and they all say the same thing, beautiful bel canto but he's no opera singer.
Honken 2 years ago 2
sorry, I don't know where are you from, but I'd be worried from your teachers... ok, let's say it's their opinion....
gaemp 2 years ago
I meant Bocelli, not Monaco! :)
It's a straight translation from swedish meaning that he can't project his voice over an orchestra.
My teachers are studied in italy under Pavarottis main teacher and also Alan Lindquest (Björling and Flagstads teacher) so you don't have to worry about them.
Honken 2 years ago 4
@gaemp
who cares! i love bocelli. there are very few good tenors in the world now. search Fortunato Moran, another tenor like Bocelli with a very gifted voice. computers can only create a single popular singer in Bocelli, otherwise, all tenors in the world are as famous to the public
libetta 1 year ago
@libetta anyway it's hard to call Bocelli " a tenor"....
gaemp 1 year ago
@gaemp
it's definitely harder to call Groban a "BARITONE"! are you a "pure" purist?
libetta 1 year ago
@libetta I'm not a purist, I just use my ears and a good taste...sorry, who is Groban....?
gaemp 1 year ago
@gaemp
Josh Groban.
libetta 1 year ago
@libetta sorry again for my ignorance... can you tell anything more about him?
gaemp 1 year ago
@gaemp
no, you search youtube and wikipedia
libetta 1 year ago
@gaemp This is not completely right. My voice is probably not very good and I'm a unprofessional singer, but I would be able to reach the last corner from any house!.
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serafitta 1 year ago
@gaemp Sadly I agree with you!!!...when I auditioned two years ago ina well kwon Opera House in Germany, they told me:"Oh no!!...you cannot sing Del Monaco or Corelli style now in this days"...I said what????, we want a ligther tenor, with less volumen, because Il Trovatore is a love-hate story....until now don't understand...don't like at all their super modern fashion stagging!!!.Guess I am not the best tenor around, but still cannot understand their opinions...Bravoo Del Monaco!!!!
tenorschofield 1 year ago
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gaemp 1 year ago
@tenorschofield They're full of you know what. That's preposterous!!!
seektheforce 1 year ago
@seektheforce Sadly I have to agree with you!!! Hope they clean their minds again, and understand that voices like Del Monaco are to be held as model, to upcomming tenros.This how we get new generations of talented singers...not by wrongly trying to introduce "new, innovated, creative"ways, that end been so msitaken. I agree I am not the best singer,but...mmm...things must return to the correct ways!!!!
tenorschofield 1 year ago
@tenorschofield I'll be up there someday :)
seektheforce 1 year ago
@seektheforce Hope so my dear friend; hope that new generations think like us. In bocca luppo caro amico!!! Buon Natale!!!!
tenorschofield 1 year ago
Bellissima interpretazione fa quii il Piu' grande tenore di tutti Mario del Monaco.
MARISOLDELMONACO 2 years ago 5
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Villeneuve27rosso 2 years ago
La più grande voce di tutti i tempi. The greatest voice of all times.
Nemorino11 2 years ago 4
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Villeneuve27rosso 2 years ago
Io però parlavo di voce, tu invece parli in assoluto. Se invece parli di tecnica, potrei anche capirti...
Nemorino11 2 years ago
MdM is flat at 1:02.I wouldn't call you an idiot (like Caravadossi 1981 did)for admiring MdM-he was a great tenor, but one of my least favourites because all he could sing was FFF- all the time.I would suggest you find some of the great leggero tenors of the past and listen to them-then you won't have the tendency as so many young tenors have to become spintos or heldontenors.Build a voice to last a lifetime, and don't ruin it with big sings too soon.Good Luck!
vickersman 2 years ago
I am not sure what gives you the idea I am trying to build a voice or that I want or need your advice on how to sing. MDM is slightly under pitch, almost imperceptible at 1:02, far from flat. I have listened to all the great leggero tenors of the past. Most modern leggero tenors sing like little girls and are drowned out by the orchestra because they sing with a high larynx. MDM could and did sing PP in many roles. Do you mean a voice that lasts a life time like MDM's who had a 40 year career?
bposton242 2 years ago
40 year career?After 1960 his voice went extremely nasal and uncertain in terms of intonation.
cer1n 2 years ago
Balls out singing. Not so refined but full of craggy, roughshod vigor.
aardvaark069 2 years ago
In this video you can see that Del Monaco was actually a rather small man, about 5'6-5'7.
His voice more than makes up for it though.
revivaljesus 2 years ago
you all rigth Monaco its like Piero Cappuccilli both man are shorty,but bigger voices
mediterraneo1000 2 years ago
Jussi Bjorling.
MegaSapristi 3 years ago 3
I am a voice student currently training as a tenor. I have just started listening to Del Monaco, Corelli, DiStefano. So far I think Del Monaco is the finest. He just has so much power it doesn't even look like he is trying. Incredible!!
rvalentineii7 3 years ago 2
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YOU ARE AN IDIOT: i mean, i never liked the was Del Monaco sings, it is so "künstlich" and affected...also too much baritonal, he is not even a real tenor (haha)...so, dear friend i advise you to hear CORELLI and BJOERLING because they rule!!!! even Bergonzi is muuuch better as Del Monaco!!!! and research for the AURELIANO PERTILE recording of "Trovatore". don't hear Del Monaco again! the same mistake make the modern young baritones, they all hear George London..hahah viva GRANFORTE
Cavaradossi1981 3 years ago
@Cavaradossi1981
Corelli, Björling, Pertile, Bergonzi AND del Monaco are all astonishing tenors.
Granforte AND Warren are great baritones.
You can have your favourites in different roles, but you can't deny that del Monaco and Warren are fine singers.
I guess YOU ARE AN IDIOT yourself!
MariadellMonaco 1 year ago
And what about Joseph Schmidt? Hear and answer!
mayflash67 2 years ago
a very great italian man!!!!!!
iguarni 3 years ago 2
Not only a great voice, the man was as handsome as any movie star. Poor Pavarotti, and the rest of the tenors today. There will probably never be another decade like the 60's with del Monaco, Corelli, Di Stefano. THAT WAS the dream team of tenors, with del Monaco (in my opinion) with the most perfect combination of voice, looks and acting talent.
mcquicker 3 years ago 3
i was brought up on the old stuff too. that doesn't mean you stop listening.
JUAN DIEGO FLOREZ
nuff said (not for this piece but for the description of a tenor you gave)
devastaticon 3 years ago
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felsineo1 3 years ago
No one out-MDM's MDM.
bluefish990 3 years ago 4
del Monaco, Corelli Bjoerling, Labò, Bergonzi etc etc etc WE NEED YOU!!!!!!
cleanears 3 years ago 4
prefer bonisolli singing it
keith46x 3 years ago
He's great too kieth but MDM just has a psychotically powered voice. Like a 747 engine on nos :-)
ERiCDrAyViN 3 years ago 7
you do have a point. corelli was of course tops but (in this role only) bonisolli came
close. very close. same height but even more dramatic. acting not so good, though.
but monaco was super, too.
dubitz11 3 years ago
Mario del Monaco owned this role- he gave it his all. I used to play this aria on early wintry mornings to help me wake up and,along with a cup of java, did the job. MDM had a tenor voice that wouldn't quit!
grandeopera 3 years ago 6
You are crazy LetItBe920, you know who is not looking like a pussy singing this aria compared with del monaco? Franco Corelli, There is not a better Di Quella Pira performance. Also I think that nobody can be compared with Mario's O Sole Mio.
mcflavio1 3 years ago
Every other tenor looks like a pussy singing this compared to Del Monaco.
Except for Jussi Bjoerling...
LetItBe920 3 years ago
VIVA DEL MONACO!!!
arcot9 3 years ago 4
THIS is Manrico...
TheOnlyVistosi 3 years ago 3
Yes this is all rather funny, in fact Bocelli singing this is quite funny as well.
This is one of the best MDM recordings.
Comparing Bocelli to this is just.... well funny.
spitface33 3 years ago 2
You are kidding me, right? Bocelli sang this aria? Don't get me wrong, I like Bocelli but you got to know your limit as singer. What a joke! Bocelli should stick with light opera/pop type of song.
kidd32888 3 years ago 8
well said.Bocelli is doing a great job,but definitely should keep it to light,i should even say,very light opera
fraternalsword 3 years ago 4
Bocelli's C at the end of this song is actually really great
iiAFX 3 years ago
@kidd32888 I've sen a video of him singing it... God help us... he's talented, but... just no.
theblacksister 1 year ago
Man it is funny that people would even mention Bocelli in the same sentance as MDM. Anyone with ears can hear the obvious difference. MDM=a real opera singer Bocelli=a pop singer with an operatic style.
Performer1988 3 years ago 7
Dear bpost. Part 3: There is a huge difference between "pop" music and "popular opera". Melodious songs excerpted from La Traviata or any other italian operas, the Ave Maria, and similar songs, are easily accessible to anyone. Bocelli does NOT degrades opera. He makes it accessible to the mass. Now, make the effort of listening to Wagner's Tetralogy, from A to Z. Then come back to me. Then we can talk about REAL OPERA.. since you seem to be an expert in that field. Or are your really ?
shangqinli 3 years ago
I sent you a private message. This is not the proper place to educate you.
bposton242 3 years ago
Popular Opera? What is that? When he sang with Pavarotti he used a microphone. Pavarotti also sang with Sting. Does that make Sting an opera singer? Just because one sings opera arias in a CD does not make him an opera singer. If you do not know the difference it is ridiculous to discuss with you. If you want to call what Bocelli does "popular opera" that is fine with me. I think it degrades real opera but that is debatable.
bposton242 3 years ago
Dear bpost. Part 1: I think we are not on the same wavelength for we started off with an awful misunderstanding. Now I'll try to make my point clear. Pavarotti was an opera singer. Do you agree ? Bocelli is also an opera singer. Do you agree ? Both are tenors. Do you agree ? Singing in the front of microphones is useful when you have an open air auditorium. Both Pavarotti and Bocelli proved they could do away with microphones while in a "opera house" where the acoustics are optimum.
shangqinli 3 years ago
Dear bpost. Part 2: For that reason, Pavarotti -like all the others - did use microphones whenever he was not in an OPERA HOUSE. Pavarotti may have sung with Sting; OK. I havn't heard that medley, so I can't tell. But that doesn't Pavarotti a "pop" singer. Mixing up "genres" is a good way of bringing people to opera and other styles, and Josh Groban has been successful in so doing. Bocelli IS an opera singer; he, too, has medleyed with other genres. I will no deny it.
shangqinli 3 years ago
my comment wasn't meant for you-don't know why it was posted to you-clerical error, as I was attempting to reach someone else.None of my comments were for your eyes...so never mind
vickersman 2 years ago
Not bad at all, quite a good singer. But not as good as Pavarotti or Bocelli. He cannnot keep the last note as long and as powerfully as Pavaroti and Boccicelli do. And this sums it all up.
shangqinli 3 years ago
is not how long you can keep the last note but the interpretation and type of voice and del monaco was great as manrico
jesusdanielhernandez 3 years ago
Or, maybe he was just wanted to keep to what was written in the score?
Yoni89 3 years ago
Are you completely insane shang?
phantom4087 3 years ago
He is great but he doesn't sing the semitones on pi-i-i-ira fo-o-o-oco fi-i-i-ibre etc.Manrico wasn't his best role he rarely sang it.The tessitura was a bit high to his voice.Bonisolli was a great tenor especialy when he was young but some times his voice was throatty.
tonyantony 3 years ago
MDM A Great Tenor did good here but was really outdone by another fellow Italian.Lets cut all the crap about who sang "Di Quella Pira" the best.Franco Bonisolli sang this Ball-Busting Aria back to back No other tenor past or present has ever done that and he sang the "All'ar MI" to ridiculous lengths BOTH times.This is a No-Brainer folks Bonisolli is the BEST.Yoni89 i assure you,you wont be dissappointed lol.
Etnalleb 3 years ago
I absolutely love Bonisolli, but I believe Corelli is par with him on Di Quella Pira.
Yoni89 3 years ago 2
Yoni89. Corelli was awesome and his Di Quella was just superb, but Bonisolli did the aria back to back in a actual performance complete with all 4 High C's,as the audience went totally berserk out of their minds.I don't believe another Tenor has ever done that nor would try to attempt it.Therefore i give the edge to Bonisolli on this most demanding aria. Bonisolli was quite mad you know , but damn he had a thunderous voice and could sing like a god.
Etnalleb 3 years ago 2
Yes, most tenors wouldn't want to risk cracking on a C after a long performance; Bonisolli didn't give a damn if he cracked, he just went right on singing. If the audience booed, he would keep attempting the note until he hit it.
GermanOperaSinger 3 years ago
I agree G.O.S. Bonisolli didn't care if he cracked as he did at times , but you have to give him credit he ALWAYS vindicated himself.. He probably was the poster boy for the saying " Tenor's think with their testicles rather than their brains."
Etnalleb 3 years ago
I thought the saying was "tenors have resonance where their brains should be" ....
Thanks for the reference. I will check out Bonisolli.
VivaRenata 3 years ago
That is actually in reference to Anna Russell who said great singers in general (as opposed to great tenors in particular) had resonance where their brains should be.
kmillard 3 years ago
Thanks for the reminder! I had obviously forgotten the correct quote. And I am a great admirer of Anna Russell ; heard her once live years ago in Carnegie Hall.
VivaRenata 3 years ago