Irwin Schiff - 2001 speech over 9/11 and the economy. Part 1/6

[BRYAN351]

>>>> WARNING: Don't waste your time debating with "RetSquid." He's either a paid dis-info agent of the IRS and/or the Federal Reserve, or he's simply a jack-off cheerleader for slavery incorporated.

Scroll through the old comments from this video and others like it, and you'll see he's been trolling them for up to 4 YEARS, spouting the same old arguments again and again. He only trolls videos of this type as well. Strange, don't you think?

[RetSquid]

@BRYAN351

You might want to look up what a troll is before trolling like this....

[rgs11]

wow,

low quality footage and audio plus slow-motion = strange effects :)

[MarketsandPolitics]

@shux404 I'm awake, now lets wake up the other 9.9999999% of the population together. You have any ideas? We will set up a year and call for everyone to not file their taxes and stand together and say F the mother F government and stand up for one another. If a politician or an attorney general tries to target us, then he will for sure see GOD a little earlier than he expected

[RetSquid]

@shux404

Well, the rest of us are trying to educate you guys, but most of you refuse to see the faults in your claims.

[trumpsahead]

... and now that Govt knows their "stimulus package" does not work, nor does their "QE1 or QE2", they have masked their Agenda once again by insisting that "we need higher Inflation". They're in our face now & I'm betting at least 60% of the people believe this crap: "We need more Inflation".

Deflation is the only cushion we may have had; it means value of US Dollar goes up as consumer prices come down, so more for your money. Govt stops that by printing more paper currency.

Trouble ahead!

[trumpsahead]

Love the way Irwin Schiff breaks down Govt's euphemism for govt. counterfeiting: "we will Have the necessary reserves", "we will Inject the necessary monetary reserves", "we will Expand Credit". And now we know Govt still blind-sides us with "stimulus package", "an easing of money supply", "we will lower interest rates", "a quantitative easing", "QE1, 2, 3".

Will we ever learn and truly understand that Govt IS NOT FOR THE PEOPLE. They are BREACHING OUR CONSTITUTION and soon we will be slaves.

[procommenter]

The "income tax" violates the 4th & 5th amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

[RetSquid]

@procommenter

How is that? Due process has been followed.

“It is well-settled that withholding income tax from wages does not violate the constitution.”

Beerbower v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue

[procommenter]

The I.R.S. demands that you provide them w/the evidence w/which to secure your conviction in tax "court." (Tax courts are territorial & thus can't be operated w/i the states.) Accordingly, using I.R.S. "logic," a car thief is guilty of stealing the car & guilty of not reporting the theft. This legal fiction denies a citizen his right against self-incrimination. The burden of proof lies with the plaintiff (the I.R.S.) to prove the defendant guilty. It used to be: INNOCENT till proven guilty.

[RetSquid]

@procommenter

Tax Courts have jurisdiction in every State and territory. The law requires you to file and pay income tax, not a single court says that that violates ANY of your rights.

[procommenter]

@RetSquid : By your reasoning: all laws are Constitutional. The judiciary applies the laws. The judiciary has NO Constitutional authority to legislate, nor does the executive branch

[RetSquid]

@procommenter

How did you get THAT from my comments?

[procommenter]

@RetSquid : List a current law that's unconstitutional. The U.S. is waging total warfare in 3 Arab countries without the Declarations of War that are mandated by the U.S.C..

[RetSquid]

@procommenter

If it is unconstitutional then it is no longer a law. Where is a declaration of war required?

[procommenter]

@RetSquid : Exactly. The government is incapable of violating the Constitution. Heil Hitler!

[RetSquid]

@procommenter

How do you figure that? The Supreme Court has ruled laws and actions of the Federal Government unconsitutional many times.

[dude58677]

@RetSquid

The government almost always violates the Constitution so most of their actions are illegal and as such people are not required to follow them. In the long run, the Supreme Court has no incentive to rule against the government as it is part of the government.

It's not just taxes but everything, such as selective service laws, gun laws, etc.

[RetSquid]

@dude58677

What a stupid comment.  How about you post some (current) examples of this?

[dude58677]

@RetSquid

They upheld the military in the Selective Draft Law Cases back in 1918, the draft card law in US vs O'Brien, and the Selective Service Registration in 1981.

The Draft though is unconstitutional. The founding fathers were against large standing armies. Yes, they did have an army during Revolutionary War but they used a militia to supplement the army. The Army was also never a conscripted army. There was no conscription used during the War of 1812.

[RetSquid]

@dude58677

The Militia was drafted into the regular army. Able bodied men were required to be in the State militia and the States were required to send men to fight. But you obviously need to review your history because THAT WAS BEFORE THE CONSTITUTION!! There has been a draft in every war except 1812, it has never been declared unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court upheld the draft in Arver v. United States, so by definition it is not unconstitutional.

[RetSquid]

@dude58677

That doesn't even make sense because some things the Gov. has done was later declared unconstitutional.

[dude58677]

@RetSquid

The militia is the people. The militia act of 1792 stated that the militia was to repel invasions. This is also stated in Article 1 section 8 and the Second Amendment.

[RetSquid]

@dude58677

No, at the time the militia was not 'the people', it was able bodied men between certain ages. They were required to serve as such and the State were required to provide a certain number of them for service in the Continental Army. So, in common terms, THEY WERE DRAFTED.

[dude58677]

@RetSquid

BULLSHIT!!!!! DC VS HELLER STATED THAT THE MILITIA WAS THE PEOPLE WHICH WERE INIDIVIDUALS!! YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT AND YOU ARE NOT A LIBERAL? LMAO!!!!!! THAT DEFEAT FOR LIBERAL TRASH SUCH AS YOU MUST OF BEEN MISERABLE!!!!!!

[RetSquid]

@dude58677

Was the Heller case decided before the Constitution was signed? Go find a brain you idiot!

[RetSquid]

@dude58677

How is that view in the mirror?

[dude58677]

@RetSquid

Nice try! You defending the IRS, Federal Reserve, and claiming that the second amendment is not an individual right are the ACTIONS of a liberal. On top of this, you call the Paul's looney's which is not something that Conservatives are doing these days. It's apparent you don't watch Fox News. If you did, you would know this. I'm calling it like I see it.

You are the liar and the troll!!!

[RetSquid]

@dude58677

LOL!! I do not defend the IRS or the Fed, I defend the LAW. I know that the 2nd A. is an individual right, I own a few guns am will soon have my concealed carry permit. Ron Paul is a little looney, his is ignorant of the law and the Constitution.

Now, when are you going to stop trolling and post something to prove your claims?

[RetSquid]

@dude58677

You are nuts.

[dude58677]

@RetSquid

If you don't grow up in these video comments than I will have to see about having you reported. If you do grow up, then that would be fine.

Can you debate without threats, insults, etc? If not then you should be reported. Will I have to speak to you at your level of maturity? Will I have to continue impersonating your behavior?

[RetSquid]

@dude58677

You are STILL nuts. I will leave it up to others to go back and look at your infantile posts. Copying is not an impersonation, it takes no skill. How large is your ego? Do you have to buy extra large hats for it?

How about you tell me what makes an unapportioned income tax legal?

[RetSquid]

@dude58677

Well, he thinks there is no law for income tax and that the 16th

Amendment was never ratified, QED he is ignorant of the law and the Constitution.

[dude58677]

@RetSquid

You think you know eveything and you have no knowledge at all. You are just a punk behind a keyboard who's mouth is so big it is the size of a toilet bowl.

[procommenter]

Bridges should be named in honor of Irwin Schiff.

[RetSquid]

@procommenter

You do know that he claimed 'insanity' at his trial, right? He's nuts and a liar.

[procommenter]

@RetSquid : He's a Constitutionalist akin to Thomas Jefferson. Everything he's written is easily verified.

[RetSquid]

@procommenter

Except that T.J. didn't lie to get out of paying taxes nor did he convince his own lawyer that he was crazy!

[procommenter]

@RetSquid : Tax-protester Thomas Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence to break from the British Empire. He encouraged the new nation NOT to pay taxes to the crown.

[RetSquid]

@procommenter

He also helped write the Constitution that says Congress can lay and collect taxes, which includes income tax.

[procommenter]

@RetSquid : In the 1860's the Supreme Court ruled that taxes on income (defined as profit) are repugnant to the Constitution.

[RetSquid]

@procommenter

And 50 years later the States changed the Constitution so you COULD have an unapportioned income tax. The Supreme Court does not have any problem with the current income tax.

[vagabonddom]

He has Warburg ties.he fought aginst them he got jailed for it.He owned Lehman bros they dissolved it..Him and Thomas Jefferson are of the sam ideas.Taxes are slave chains..

[vagabonddom]

true patriot..

[longtrader782]

Lol at 8:00 people walk out on him

[thomas1976]

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.

[efrem1]

@thomas1976 Yeah, but now it seems that Obama is a kinda god so i guess they are rolled into one.

[fasteddie847]

If you want to goto prision then take Irwin Schiffs advice

[SilverWealth23]

The Income tax is UnConstitutional !!

[Nintendomanwill]

Why don't you protest against his tyrannous arrest that ignored the rule of law and set yet more case precedent for arbitrary, unconstitutional government? Why don't the Tea Party protesters form an Irwin Schiff division?

Regardless of how it might help the man, there's nothing like a martyr to empower a movement's dynamism.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

What rule of law do you think was broken?

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

Well according to Irwin Schiff, income tax was not codified as compulsory in US law.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

He ignores the plain English in Title 26 Section 1 that imposes an income tax on "every individual".

You do know he claimed "mental disease or defect" in court?

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

I didn't know the latter part, but I'm sure that was just a last ditch attempt to get out of jail-which he could have easily avoided just by ignoring his principles and paying tax from his great wealth.

As for the legality of income tax, that may be so but I have been led to understand that technically, the law wasn't internally inconsistent to the effect of compulsifying it.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

The law is written to be compulsory for every individual, every single one, that is why he went to jail, he was looking for some special, hidden code to get out of it but he didn't find one.

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

Don't you wish however that he could win this fight?

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

No, that would mean that anyone can break the law and get away with it.  You want murderers to be able to argue that the law really isn't the law?

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

I'm not suggesting we fight the rule of law, I'm suggesting that we reform the law or uphold it IF it is valid. I don't buy this debate BS, law is either just or it is not and if you can't tell that the income tax is unjust and moreover, extremely destructive, then perhaps you will conflate principled and informed protest against economic destruction with the crime of murder.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

You say you don't want to fight the rule of law then basically say that you DO!?

Income tax is the law, period.

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

Are you taking the piss? The rule of law is not about tyranny. Schiff said the income tax was not consistent within the whole corpus of legislation. The rule of law is about law which is internally consistent and law before which all men are equal. It does NOT mean that no law may be repealed, it does NOT require a slavish devotion to the men who make the law. The rule of law means law, not statolatry. Again, I don't buy this debate BS, there is no debate, end income tax or F off.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

"Are you taking the piss?" What the heck does that even mean???

The income tax law is perfectly consistent with the other laws and itself, Irwin was wrong, that is why he has NEVER won a court case about this. You are right there is no real debate, Title 26 is the law and anyone who thinks otherwise is just a little nuts, like Irwin.

I am upholding the rule of law, you seem to be wishing for something else. It is interesting that you use a term invented by Il Duce.

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

As for my knowledge of American law, it is true that I am no lawyer, and I suspect neither are you. Nor does this prevent me from judging what is a just law or not; it is not at all difficult to realise that the income tax should be abolished. I do however know that all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform (4 each PERSON!) throughout the United States according to the Constitution

Which term was invented by Mussolini which I used? I think you're blathering on about nonsense.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

Your knowlege is mistaken, it has to be geographically uniform, your "4 each person" would be apportioned which is not required for income tax. Everyone in the Legislative, Executive, Judiacial branches and 99.9% of the public believe income tax is the law...and they are right.

"statolatry" was coined by Il Duce, look it up.

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

I don't care if 99% of the public thinks the income tax is valid. Do you think a law is worthy by virtue of its enactment? No it aint, and the reason the judiciary is nominally independent of the legislature is because courts interpret law and attempt to deal justice whereas dictators are just tyrants. Income tax destroys wealth. End of.

And if the word statolatry was coined by Mussolini he didn't half coin a word that would come to be used derisively of his entire weltanschauung.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

It really does not matter WHAT you think, the income tax law is valid. You may as well be argueing that the moon is made of green cheese.

You last sentence makes no sense.

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

I believe the conversation we are having is whether the law is valid, and I for one do not mean that only in the sense of whether or not it is constitutionally compatible. No, I mean that imposing taxation unequally across the citizenry is wrong because it discourages certain business expansions if the expander does not expect to gain enough income to offset the increase in his tax, and it causes richer people to leave a nation crippled by taxes. High tax increases all things' costs.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

You are still confusing me, the validity of the law has nothing to do with it's effect of the economy or someone's wallet. You seem to just have a problem with the fine tuning of income tax law but not the law itself.

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

There is no fine tuning of the income tax. Man does not fine tune his social life by setting varying rates of expropriation. Man develops wealth through developing contractual exchange, not by exacting tribute from conquered territories. There is nothing fine about the arsenal of man's suppression of man, not even for the suppressor. We do not profit from war but from co-operation. Tax is war. It is war on citizens who don't realise the economic destruction it causes.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

Without taxes there is no Government, without Government there is no law, without law there is anarchy and with anarchy comes continuous warfare.

BTW you don't get to make up your own definitions...tax is not war.

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

It is irrelevant whether or not tax is required for civilisation. That may be so (although don't you think real legal systems can develop extraneously from the initiation of force i.e. they can be formed by market selection rather than imposed by those with a monopoly on 'legitimate' force which has throughout history killed more men the more powerful such 'states' became, i.e. b4 the 20th C. states were not so potent) BUT the point remains, tax is destruction and zero-sum game.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

And I say that taxes are not a "zero sum game" nor destruction. Now what?

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

What, you mean you don't think they are, or are you just pointing out that my argument stops insofar as I don't know how to explain how taxes are destruction? Unfortunately it's the other way around, I develop my social theories on the basis of my cognition of economic truths. Taxes are a zero sum game. Anything not bases on volitional contract loses that which nearly guarantees the mutual benefit from an exchange. Taxation extracts wealth to give to another. It destroys productivity

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

You have no basis for your claims. You do get things for the taxes paid. There is also transfer of wealth involved, but it is not'zero-sum'.

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

" You do get things for the taxes paid"

No. If I go into a shop and spend my money I do not expect a person to take it from me and spend it for me. Likewise, removing the market in e.g. health care is extremely destructive. The market is not only for incentive, it allows direction through profit signal. Following profit motive leads us to do what is most desired by people we don't even know. Bureaucratic systems of state monopoly, no net profit and no choice, are therefore blind.

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

So not only am I completely right in saying that it is zero-sum, because it does not allow one party to use his discretion therefore it is by definition, involuntary, it is extremely destructive for all as it grows that sector of the economy called the 'public' sector, which is unproductive because people are not free to choose, because the state gives deference to violent trade unions in order to gain votes and because it prevents the market from making mutually adjusted activity.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

How about you define the terms you use, before you use them because you seem to have some definitions I've never heard used before.

What do you think it would look like without any taxes?

[jsmythib]

@RetSquid we are about to find out what severely reduced taxes are going to do..even charging much highers rates..

[RetSquid]

@jsmythib

Sorry, I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

Your argument seems to be against government , not income tax.

[jsmythib]

@RetSquid I agree, almost. There seems to be continual war anyway...our problem has run away with the people that write law, and print money. Taxes are currently a way of perpetuating and strengthening that problem :( I think the system has itself twisted into a knot from becoming so complex it is no longer manageable...its defunding at the moment is helping solve that problem..its been interesting to watch to say the least..good luck to all.

[RetSquid]

@Nintendomanwill

I just read your profile, you aren't even an American, so take a hike, you are clueless about our laws.

[Nintendomanwill]

@RetSquid

You are clueless about common decency if you don't support Schiff. He's trying to fight the income tax, do you not think that in a supposed democracy, this is exactly what should be done? Or should the State continue to confiscate vast amounts of America's wealth, in a way that destroys business and even discourages certain people from attaining a higher income i.e. being more productive, because they fear that they might have less income after reaching a higher tax threshold!

[206Nish]

We should switch to a federal sales tax instead of income tax.

Those that save, don't have to pay taxes.(An incentive to save)

Get rid of the burden of confusing tax laws and paying for accountants. (No more need to pay to pay taxes.)

No more need to pay to pay taxes.

No more need to pay to pay taxes.

What kind of bs is that, I have to pay someone to pay my taxes. BS

[chifylube]

By law we must pay taxes. Taxes are necessary to have a government that protects us. However, income tax, by law, is not required. Every spending program we have already has another specific tax to pay for it.

[oiuoiu988]

your 2nd point is fallacious. and your last point is just flat out wrong.

[swirlcrop]

Good video.

[escapethecollapse]

The income tax is wrong, not because it is not a law, but because it is immoral. If stealing is immoral, taxes are immoral. Let's use this argument instead of the "not a law" argument that has been failing for decades.

[oiuoiu988]

look up whitey harrell, its likely that information about whitey harrell is still scarce on the internet but when you watch his story on youtube you will wonder why it wasnt a huge news story. i live in illinois which is where he lives and even I didnt hear about it until much later, actually in a movie that irwin schiff is in called freedom to fascism.

[escapethecollapse]

Free Irwin Schiff!

[fox20012]

is he in jail wtf???

[oiuoiu988]

yes. are you a fox?

[michaelpshipley1]

irwin schiff, americas nelson mandela.

[johngaltexpres]

great video. what courage.

[deltapunk21]

Why is it Libertards say they want the Consitution enforced, but when it comes to the Defend The Country Commandments put upon the Executive Branch and Foreign Enemies and Domestic clause they run screaming like its "not effective" when Bush has proven it effective and not only that but MANDATED BY THE USC?

No major terrorist attack since 9/11, dozens and dozens here, and manymore abroad averted, and the systems and tyrannies that supported terror mostly destroyed or backed into a corner?

[jsmith2142]

no attacks have been averted in the US. we were safe before 9/11 which bush let happen tp get his illegal war. wake up!

[stealthswimmer]

Actually it was not proven effective. You can't just see that something happens after another thing to show effectiveness. You also have to prove a causal relationship.

I've never been attacked by a tiger while wearing shoes, so should I thus assume that shoes ward off tigers? No.

[oiuoiu988]

you couldnt even get through 1 sentance without demonstrating your own stupidity, thats pretty sad. i think you meant upheld, not enforced.

[deltapunk21]

Schiff is wrong. We have had this problem since the PLO was created in 64 by the KGB, no wait since Castro was put in power in 1959, no wait since Stalin, no wait since 1917 etc. etc.

[RetSquid]

On January 21st, 2004 Schiff filed a brief in the District Court of Nevada Civil Case CV-S-01-0895-PMP (LRL) claiming "Insanity" in his defense for failing to pay his Federal Income Taxes! He contends he suffers from a mental disease or defect and exhibits symptoms of chronic severe delusional personality disorder!

[deltapunk21]

No he didn't. Fact the gov said he didn't believe what he was saying was true. His friend testified that he did believe it, but that his friend believes he is crazy for believing it.

Fact the Income tax is UnConstitutional it was "passeD" fraudlently, and has been dishonestly and wrongly enforced for the sake of Wilsonian fascism.

[RetSquid]

Yes he did.

Go to HIS web site and look up "delusional defense".

[oiuoiu988]

thats something a lawyer or legal advisor thinks up as a defense. thats what lawyers do, they dont sit around trying to convince the jury youre a nice guy. they find a way to use the system against itself. the good ones find enough ways to turn the system on itself to avoid a conviction....

[oiuoiu988]

then explain whitey harrell...

the collection of income tax seems to follow the creation of central banks pretty closely in most countries...

[RetSquid]

On February 5, 2009, Harrell was sentenced to two years probation, a fine of $2,500 and court costs, and payment of his taxes for 1996, 1997, and 1998, plus penalties and interest.

[oiuoiu988]

sounds like he had a good lawyer, or legal advisor... do you work for the irs or something? what is your interest?

[RetSquid]

No, I don't work for the IRS. I got into this while looking things up for another video,  "30 Little Known Facts about America", which is a bunch of BS just like these tax protestors/deniers.

[oiuoiu988]

but what is your interest? what part about tax protesting is BS? you sound like a creationist who spends his life in fear of terrorism... you really seem to have some sort of agenda, youre doing the dirty work of an extortionists and you want me to believe youre not being paid? do you just love extortion?? perhaps you hate freedom? whats the deal?

[RetSquid]

"whats the deal?"

I just simply hate liars, like yourself, who claim that there is no income tax law or that it somehow does not apply to them.

[oiuoiu988]

hahaha way to make more stupid assumptions. i already told you i would have advised them to pay whatever the irs wants.

way to go around trolling videos and trying to justify extortion you creationist jackass.

[RetSquid]

See? You are makeing more stupid assumptions.

[oiuoiu988]

no im not, this is the 3rd irwin schiff video i've seen you making misleading ahistorical and insulting comments on today and you dont like irwin schiff. you obviously have some kind of agenda. thats exactly what trolling is.

plus i exposed that you are using multiple youtube accounts to do it..

scumbag.

[RetSquid]

"multiple youtube accounts"

LOL!! You are funny!!

I comment on lots of income tax videos, there are lots of liars out there, like you!

[seks03]

great video

[sunamori6765]

Thanks for posting this man. First time I saw Peter Schiff's father talking.

Being an older person he has many interesting memories to share. I admire him.

[mountainpatriot]

Thanks for posting!

[nightsongs1970]

This shitty country full of corrupt leaders and brainwashed subjects deserves everything that it's soon going to get.

SCREW AMERICA!

LET THE REVOLUTION BEGIN!

[cmcphee]

AMEN!!!!!!!!

[thbyrnes]

Easy there Ghengis Kahn... do not confuse America (country) with United States (government).

America is the land that represent Freedom for every man around the world United States is a corrupt group of oligarchs that seized the government after the civil war and have been steadfastly destroying every country in their march toward One World government.

Point your rage at the offenders, not their victims and many will join you.

Throw the bankers out!!!

End the Fed!!!

[nightsongs1970]

I understand what you're getting at and I appreciate your patriotism. However, I am an unreconstructed Southerner and I meant exactly what I said. The only thing I would add to your comment is "Throw the damned lawyers / politicians out first!" Thanks for your comment.

[thbyrnes]

Can't argue with that!!!

[206Nish]

We will use the internet to empower us, and give us the knowledge to oust our corrupt leaders.

The way things are, are not the way they always were, or meant to be. 

Let the younger knowledgeable lead the way.

[sugarpuddin88]

One quadrillion dollars is the sum of outstanding fake derivatives

The latest bailout (bank heist) is $5 trillion, triple the original $700 billion; Amazingly the FED has been paying these bankers 188 billion a day all along

Add together the unfunded liabilities from Medicare and Social Security, and it comes to $99.2 trillion over the infinite horizon; Richard W. Fisher, the President and Chief Executive Officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, (July 22, 2008 San Fran Chronicle)

[sugarpuddin88]

911 was a public snuff film used to shock the public and enact the end of the Bill of Rights & invasion of oil bearing countries, (recall that in Afghanistan the Caspian Sea pipeline had been given to Argentina; Afterward, Condi Rice made huge profits when stolen for Shell Oil); & make money for private companies like Halliburton, (stock from 10 to 50 a share)!

By destroying the WTC, they were able to cover up theft of gold bullion & destroy illegal financial transaction records

[IHopeGeorgeGetCancer]

You dumb fucking idiot! How fucking retarded must you be?? Peter Schiff and Irwin Schiff are the textbook definition of patriots. They actually have read the constitution and, what do you know, intend for it to be followed. Go crawl back into your hole and re-educate yourself you dumb fucking faggot!!

[fuzzywzhe]

Easy there.

There's a lot of people who haven't yet realized that the whole goddamned system is nothing more than a collossal fraud yet.

They're going to find out soon enough.

All that US citizens have to show for their trust in government, is national bankruptcy - they just haven't seen the financial statement yet. They'll know soon enough. It's not a pleasant thing to discover you've been rooting for the wrong cause, or that you've been used.

[BEDESQUIRE]

Tax Protester Tells Federal Court That He Is Delusional By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON / Published: 2/ 7/04 Irwin Schiff, the nation's best-known promoter of claims that no law requires the payment of income taxes, suffers from delusions including a fantasy that he alone can properly interpret the tax laws, according to papers that he had his lawyers file in Fed. Dist. Ct in Las Vegas. Schiff's attorneys asked that the court consider that he has a mental disorder relating to his beliefs about taxes .

[kermitcintronsucks]

Yeah, but they're BOTH jews. So they are already suspect.

[BEDESQUIRE]

Irwins points are rehashed old arguments that have been debunked countless times. He has lost every appeal hes made and will sit in jail for 13 years, because he broke the law. If you follow Irwin, you are following a snake oil salesman, and i have a bridge here in New York i would like to sell you. Basically, he is taking advantage of uneducated, gullible people who dont want to pay taxes, and are willing to buy his course .

[eesloan4]

Well perhaps he did break the law but he was making great points about the evils of the income tax. We didn't use to have any income tax before 1913 (except during the war to prevent southern secession. He may have been beaten by the authorities but that doesn't make him wrong and them right (ethically). He is also spot on about our loss of productivity and wealth.

[1voluntaryist]

BEDESQUIRE works for the Feds. Taxation is theft, i.e., the government steals. Everyone knows it. They justify it by claiming it is necessary to support government. Why was it NOT necessary until 1913? Can "they" prove gov't is necessary? What law did Irwin break? No one has answered these questions. They don't have to. If you have all the power, you don't answer questions, you ask them. If you follow Irwin you will be morally and legally correct, but suffer imprisonment by Dept. of Injustice.

[jvittetoe]

What a fucking clueless pud.

[alex94115]

LMAO this is how PETER Schiff is going to look in 2040 When gold is $15,000

[fuzzywzhe]

> LMAO this is how PETER Schiff is going to look in 2040 When

> gold is $15,000

Gold will probably be over $15,000 in 4 years.

Of course, $1000 and a silver dime will buy you a cup of coffee by then.

[morethan20]

Well good news guys, Goerge4shit is going to keep his channel going!, he even put schiffs video back up again, I guess he got enough money for his legal fund, and his fake doggy to keep on going, that prick is exactly whats wrong in this world, thanks for putting up this channel.

[joeymackaroni]

Another great post!!!

Irwin Schiff, another great patriot!!!