Of course in other music theory, such as the Indian scales, there are minor tones that do occur that are not in western traditional music because with a citar, tones can be changed to 1/3 or 1/4 tone....when you study other musical traditions other than western tradition you will see that it can have other notes between the normal western traditional methods. Solitdude needs to learn more on real music theory applications other than normal western traditional thought of music.
In response to solitdude, these notes do exist in non-fretted instruments. I have a degree in music theory and composition. it is called enharmonic notes.....so they do exist even in some of the manuscripts of early western music....they are rare but do exist and some are written differently down on script for ease the musician to play them.....get it right man!!!!
How come you don't think of the key of Fb Major as the key of E Major instead? Then you wouldn't have to worry about the double flat Bbb, it would be A.
@solitdude Because when dealing with scales (major, minor, the modes etc) it is incorrect to "write twice" a note, meaning, you can't have in a normal scale things like a Ab, A, C and have no B. You always have to write all the seven notes (the seven letters). Is just a notation convention. Of course in instruments like guita Bbb is indeed just regular A
@solitdude Also if your dealing with instruments like violin, cello etc that doesn't have frets, or physical separation between the notes, then notes like Fb and E or B# and C are different, not like in guitar or piano.
That's what's bothering me. The is something between notes but i do not know why i cannot find anything about it theorywise...just as if those neither exist nor play any role.
And how about looking on the notes from the physics side - Guitar Tuners say that the sharps/flats are the notes of frequency between the "full" notes. From this side it looks as if the theory does not include the points between eg. E and F. On string instruments that enable bending u can get the frequency of something that is eg. higher then E but lower than F. Therefore, why it's not included in music?. What's the mistake in my assumption?
If F flat = E what's the point of having the flat/sharp system insteed of setting independent 11 letters/symbols/numbers? Is it because of how he piano keyboard is layed out? And if the system is due to the frequency of a sound why there's nothing between E and F? As a self-tought and newbie to the theory it sounds a bit akward to me. It may be a trivial question but it still bothers me a lot.
Valid question. In fact, much of this was quite baffling to me as a student at Music College 20 years ago... Theory, as we use it today, is very logical the more you actually learn about it. And, many of the principles are organized as they are for how music is notated upon a music staff. Sight-Reading music plays a massive role in the process. So, if you have never spent a lot of time dedicated to reading off of the staff, much of "why" things work as they do may be mysterious.
Happy New Year, Andrew ! Hope to see a lot of new videos in this year. Your channel is more useful than all videoschools i've seen and local guitar teachers, so, if one day i'll record a masterpiece it's all thanks to you ;)
Of course in other music theory, such as the Indian scales, there are minor tones that do occur that are not in western traditional music because with a citar, tones can be changed to 1/3 or 1/4 tone....when you study other musical traditions other than western tradition you will see that it can have other notes between the normal western traditional methods. Solitdude needs to learn more on real music theory applications other than normal western traditional thought of music.
MrNinjastab 1 month ago
In response to solitdude, these notes do exist in non-fretted instruments. I have a degree in music theory and composition. it is called enharmonic notes.....so they do exist even in some of the manuscripts of early western music....they are rare but do exist and some are written differently down on script for ease the musician to play them.....get it right man!!!!
MrNinjastab 1 month ago
How come you don't think of the key of Fb Major as the key of E Major instead? Then you wouldn't have to worry about the double flat Bbb, it would be A.
solitdude 1 month ago
@solitdude Because when dealing with scales (major, minor, the modes etc) it is incorrect to "write twice" a note, meaning, you can't have in a normal scale things like a Ab, A, C and have no B. You always have to write all the seven notes (the seven letters). Is just a notation convention. Of course in instruments like guita Bbb is indeed just regular A
asierraalta7 1 month ago
@solitdude Also if your dealing with instruments like violin, cello etc that doesn't have frets, or physical separation between the notes, then notes like Fb and E or B# and C are different, not like in guitar or piano.
asierraalta7 1 month ago
@VeniceKing1,
That's what's bothering me. The is something between notes but i do not know why i cannot find anything about it theorywise...just as if those neither exist nor play any role.
GdzieJestNemo 1 month ago
@creativeguitarstudio,
And how about looking on the notes from the physics side - Guitar Tuners say that the sharps/flats are the notes of frequency between the "full" notes. From this side it looks as if the theory does not include the points between eg. E and F. On string instruments that enable bending u can get the frequency of something that is eg. higher then E but lower than F. Therefore, why it's not included in music?. What's the mistake in my assumption?
GdzieJestNemo 1 month ago
@GdzieJestNemo Listen to Eric Clapton soloing during Cream era, he uses micro-tonal bends all the time.
VeniceKing1 1 month ago
Somethings bothers me:
If F flat = E what's the point of having the flat/sharp system insteed of setting independent 11 letters/symbols/numbers? Is it because of how he piano keyboard is layed out? And if the system is due to the frequency of a sound why there's nothing between E and F? As a self-tought and newbie to the theory it sounds a bit akward to me. It may be a trivial question but it still bothers me a lot.
GdzieJestNemo 1 month ago
@GdzieJestNemo,
Valid question. In fact, much of this was quite baffling to me as a student at Music College 20 years ago... Theory, as we use it today, is very logical the more you actually learn about it. And, many of the principles are organized as they are for how music is notated upon a music staff. Sight-Reading music plays a massive role in the process. So, if you have never spent a lot of time dedicated to reading off of the staff, much of "why" things work as they do may be mysterious.
creativeguitarstudio 1 month ago
Happy new year Andrew, you've carefully and clearly explained it as usual.
clevblue 1 month ago
Happy New Year, Andrew ! Hope to see a lot of new videos in this year. Your channel is more useful than all videoschools i've seen and local guitar teachers, so, if one day i'll record a masterpiece it's all thanks to you ;)
Best wishes, Andrew, Moscow, Russia.
BleakAutumnMist 1 month ago