teambaramui. Classical tae kwon do & "traditional tae kwon do" aren't necessarily the same thing. If you ask many instructors what the purpose of forms are you will find that many don't know. I started my training in the modern (olympic) style of tkd. Once I was exposed to instructors that understood that forms weren't just dances for promotion (like they seem to be in some schools) I switched to the older Moo Duk Kwan style of TKD.
Tae Kwon Do Hyungs are different but, the basics are the same. Hyungs were originally designed to be functional. I'm aware that TKD was named in the 1950's by Gen. Choi but, the techniques clearly reflect it's Karate roots. The high circular kicks give it a distinct Korean flavor. The modern forms tend to reflect flash over function these days.
@42Cleve whats classical when Traditional taekwondo was established in 1950's, its a new art and so the forms should represent it, Hanryu form does the job well.
es una competencia de poomses no es ke se allan sustituido los poomses anteriores es solo una competecnia y esoos poomses no se han exibido fuera de korea
I highly doubt this is a new kukkiwon poomsae. I know every team, be it full demo or poomsae do creative team poomsae for competitions and demonstrations. This is too flashy to be implemented into curriculum, so I am confident that it's just the teams preparing a creative poomsae. I saw the Kukkiwon demo team do a poomsae like this in Schaumburg, IL for the National Hanmadang tournament. They were phenominal.
And it would be either bigak or bikak, the 'p' looks like a roman numeral 2. The 'g' acts as a hard 'c' sometimes, even though they have a letter for that.
Its a new Junior competition poomsae, with around 96actions correct me if im wrong. but its gonna be used to in the finals/semifinals of a technique turnament like european championship or world championship. And being its a junior poomsae its packed with jump kicks and high movements. :)
I thought the same, but apparently they are introducing 2 of these new patterns so that, it will encourage more "sparring" Oriented clubs, to see the "fun" in poomsae, there not going to be i the tradition grading syllabus but will be available to to a pattern competitions soon!!
la verdad este taeguk o pumse es bastante llamativo muy bien ejecutado..pero me parece mas deportivo ke marcial en si esta bien ke taekwondo wtf sea deporte olympico pero no olvidemos la parte marcial sus inicio!! es mi punto de vistA!!
en un afán de incorporar técnicas de pateo vistosas y elaborar una forma más llamativa para la competencia.
mezclaron posiciones y desplazamientos propios del combate moderno con posiciones , desplazamientos y movimientos tradicionales. no creo que lleve una secuencia ni una logica.
no todos los movimientos pero si veo varios así.
me parece un frankestein que toma de aquí y de allá, siempre lo nuevo causa polémica.
it appears to have lost relevance to stuff that could actually be used. some of the moves are too quick to look awesome or get enough power. although some of the moves are very difficult and take a lot of practice and talent to perform well, poomsae like koryo look a lot better and are more relevant to real situations.
for the first one,i think the three of them should cancel the movement of the three kicks session into zero and change it into a good kicking one.Punching,a bit soft as the title for this poomsae is youth so the punch must be energetic and powerful,but the reason behind i did these cancelling is to maintain the overall harmony in balance,they maybe have mistaken that poomsae is a die art,so they think that they can simply simply add those irrational movements,hope they thnik again.
look,all the poomsaes i had learned had a short range of movement,but this poomsae is a bit big ranged movement,but what i conclude from my experience from learning tkd poomsaes is that most of the movements are executed not more than 1 second as u r imagining your opponent launching an offensive strike on you.Yet,this poomsae is a bit ridiculous for the creator of this poomsae afterall,they are youngsters not elders,so i think that they should revolise the poomsae movement again.
for the 2nd poomsae,i am a bit amazed bout the changing evolved in the movement of the 2nd poomsae from time to time,got some sense of harmony,good execution,good stopping,good creation,good strengh.
Ok, it's been more than a year since this video has come out. These forms weren't mentioned at the Hanmadang in Anaheim, CA in 2008 (let alone performed). What's the status of these within the Kukkiwon?
I'm betting that they'll be buried & forgotten because they're just that bad.
I was recently at the 2009 Kukkiwon International Hanmadang Referee Seminar. These forms were mentioned briefly as one of three categories of poomsae: Compulsory, Creative and Competition. Compulsory poomsae are the Taegeuk and Yudanja patterns required at each rank, creative is self-explanatory, and Hanryu & BiKiak are competition poomsae. So far these forms have not been implemented in competitions outside of Korea.
WOW!!! These new forms look sweet!!! I'm so excited to learn these, I can't wait!! They look like so much fun. I like the complexity and the change in tempo. I think it really brings out the potential of poomsaes.
hey simondo666...it isn't a poor quaility 'Kiai? or in korean "Ki-hap". Its actually a proper "shout". What you see in musical forms and movies are improper verson used to attract Audiences and earn points in wacky karate touranments =] It should be short and crisp, not long and annoying if you know what i mean.
a short crisp (loud) kihap is good for practice and performance in some tournaments, but if you are trying to really catch the judges eye you need a longer kihap than that in this video. Long drawn out yells are especially good for demonstration teams.
"Long drawn out yells are especially good for demonstration teams." ---
Exactly. The only point of a long drawn out yell is to earn points in a competition that rewards someone based on long drawn out yells instead of technique. It has nothing to do with mudo.
Martial arts is not about a crowd pleasing demo. The goal of the martial art is not to develop theatrics or flashy uniforms. Martial art competitions should exist to help the martial art evolve and reinforce good/effective principles.
yeah. i know what you mean, But it should be more than a shout, kiai or kihap should be more of a breathing exersise than a simple shout, also, i think it should only be used once to twice.
Long extended screams popular in American karate are actually improper according to the Kukkiwon. A good kihap is a short forcefull exhalation of approx 2/3 the air in your lungs. This is comparable to the hiss a boxer makes while punching, a tennis player makes while serving, a volleyball player makes while spiking etc... the Kukkiwon / Taekwondo way to power is relaxed power. Relax, TENSE, relax. Only a very brief moment of full tension and exertion. This has to be felt to be appreciated.
well, this was recently "invented" so that all blackbleters have a common ground to compete. It's only meant for poomsae competitons. The peacock(bikak) is for 40 and below, hanryu is for above 40. It would be taught around the world after the 3rd poomsae comp if im not wrong. This will be the new identity for tkd practitioners i'm told.
Sorry, just saw Hanryu at the end of this video. There is another video somewhere of a male master performing Hanryu, although he makes a mistake his performance is much stronger.
teambaramui. Classical tae kwon do & "traditional tae kwon do" aren't necessarily the same thing. If you ask many instructors what the purpose of forms are you will find that many don't know. I started my training in the modern (olympic) style of tkd. Once I was exposed to instructors that understood that forms weren't just dances for promotion (like they seem to be in some schools) I switched to the older Moo Duk Kwan style of TKD.
42Cleve 8 months ago
Tae Kwon Do Hyungs are different but, the basics are the same. Hyungs were originally designed to be functional. I'm aware that TKD was named in the 1950's by Gen. Choi but, the techniques clearly reflect it's Karate roots. The high circular kicks give it a distinct Korean flavor. The modern forms tend to reflect flash over function these days.
42Cleve 8 months ago
is it true that bigak is for 40 and below while hanryu is for 40+
just asking
oh, and is there only 2 new ones?
xxRockPrincess717xx 10 months ago
its called bi gak.
youtube.com/watch?v=FQSIg22wtjE
this website. first one hanryu, second one bi gak.
both of them are new ones, think was in 2007
lindawu204 1 year ago
Forms shouldn't be about flash. This is good for demos but, the moves of the classical forms have more of a purpose.
42Cleve 1 year ago
@42Cleve whats classical when Traditional taekwondo was established in 1950's, its a new art and so the forms should represent it, Hanryu form does the job well.
teambaramui 8 months ago
beautiful combination, congratulations
sadness2k5 1 year ago
Great ;D
Minds3ar 1 year ago
great!
phamjthaisbaor 1 year ago
a girl was going of in the bus
ummabdullah2003 1 year ago
looks flashier
khairuleven 1 year ago
Exelente tecnica , buena poomsae.Seria bueno ver su aplicacion.
4727taebaek 1 year ago
Coool...finally some power poomsae and not the "children" style poomsae is performed in competition today.
larsbokberg 1 year ago
im not rly a big fan of poomsae im more of a sparring dude myself, but i actually like this form because of all the kicks and watnot
antonmnc95 1 year ago
muy bueno este pumse la hare en una exibicion
salu2
jonathanbest100 2 years ago
Nada nuevo, it's ridiculus
aveaga 2 years ago
its for what dan?!
mc2qt4u88 2 years ago
@mc2qt4u88
that part it`s not specified. in fact there are two new poomsaes, this one is for youth black belts practitioners under 40 years old.
walomanx 1 year ago
Imagine trying to do that poomse at 60 years old for promtion testing!
cooniemoonie 2 years ago
The first one is meant for young pratictioner, while the second for over 40 ;)
edraith 2 years ago
what? a new one? how come my master didnt tell us at all? T^T it looks really nice by the wayy =)
maxlover102 2 years ago
es una competencia de poomses no es ke se allan sustituido los poomses anteriores es solo una competecnia y esoos poomses no se han exibido fuera de korea
res4thebest 2 years ago
I highly doubt this is a new kukkiwon poomsae. I know every team, be it full demo or poomsae do creative team poomsae for competitions and demonstrations. This is too flashy to be implemented into curriculum, so I am confident that it's just the teams preparing a creative poomsae. I saw the Kukkiwon demo team do a poomsae like this in Schaumburg, IL for the National Hanmadang tournament. They were phenominal.
rawrhissmeow 2 years ago
And it would be either bigak or bikak, the 'p' looks like a roman numeral 2. The 'g' acts as a hard 'c' sometimes, even though they have a letter for that.
rawrhissmeow 2 years ago
Its a new Junior competition poomsae, with around 96actions correct me if im wrong. but its gonna be used to in the finals/semifinals of a technique turnament like european championship or world championship. And being its a junior poomsae its packed with jump kicks and high movements. :)
-zott
zotteren 2 years ago
I thought the same, but apparently they are introducing 2 of these new patterns so that, it will encourage more "sparring" Oriented clubs, to see the "fun" in poomsae, there not going to be i the tradition grading syllabus but will be available to to a pattern competitions soon!!
Bread2oo8 2 years ago
la verdad este taeguk o pumse es bastante llamativo muy bien ejecutado..pero me parece mas deportivo ke marcial en si esta bien ke taekwondo wtf sea deporte olympico pero no olvidemos la parte marcial sus inicio!! es mi punto de vistA!!
PD: un simple alumno de taekwondo wtf
res4thebest 2 years ago
No me gusta del todo ya que
en un afán de incorporar técnicas de pateo vistosas y elaborar una forma más llamativa para la competencia.
mezclaron posiciones y desplazamientos propios del combate moderno con posiciones , desplazamientos y movimientos tradicionales. no creo que lleve una secuencia ni una logica.
no todos los movimientos pero si veo varios así.
me parece un frankestein que toma de aquí y de allá, siempre lo nuevo causa polémica.
Antonio Balderas, 6º Dan
regiostkd 2 years ago
it appears to have lost relevance to stuff that could actually be used. some of the moves are too quick to look awesome or get enough power. although some of the moves are very difficult and take a lot of practice and talent to perform well, poomsae like koryo look a lot better and are more relevant to real situations.
TomIsSmexyHexy 2 years ago
nice video!
antonietta1995 2 years ago
for the first one,i think the three of them should cancel the movement of the three kicks session into zero and change it into a good kicking one.Punching,a bit soft as the title for this poomsae is youth so the punch must be energetic and powerful,but the reason behind i did these cancelling is to maintain the overall harmony in balance,they maybe have mistaken that poomsae is a die art,so they think that they can simply simply add those irrational movements,hope they thnik again.
lumianic 2 years ago
look,all the poomsaes i had learned had a short range of movement,but this poomsae is a bit big ranged movement,but what i conclude from my experience from learning tkd poomsaes is that most of the movements are executed not more than 1 second as u r imagining your opponent launching an offensive strike on you.Yet,this poomsae is a bit ridiculous for the creator of this poomsae afterall,they are youngsters not elders,so i think that they should revolise the poomsae movement again.
lumianic 2 years ago
for the 2nd poomsae,i am a bit amazed bout the changing evolved in the movement of the 2nd poomsae from time to time,got some sense of harmony,good execution,good stopping,good creation,good strengh.
lumianic 2 years ago
Looks like they tried to incorporate competition kicks into Poomse but it doesn't work
taekwongr 3 years ago
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MSisters 3 years ago
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PCatrick 3 years ago
Ok, it's been more than a year since this video has come out. These forms weren't mentioned at the Hanmadang in Anaheim, CA in 2008 (let alone performed). What's the status of these within the Kukkiwon?
I'm betting that they'll be buried & forgotten because they're just that bad.
IcemanSK 3 years ago
I was recently at the 2009 Kukkiwon International Hanmadang Referee Seminar. These forms were mentioned briefly as one of three categories of poomsae: Compulsory, Creative and Competition. Compulsory poomsae are the Taegeuk and Yudanja patterns required at each rank, creative is self-explanatory, and Hanryu & BiKiak are competition poomsae. So far these forms have not been implemented in competitions outside of Korea.
jsstevens 2 years ago
actually, wtf forms will never beat ata forms, they have a unique beauty.
paradoxtkd 3 years ago
already been done
thickettfamily 3 years ago
Actually ATA forms are just a compilation of what the ATA has taken from other styles of TKD.
mastrdanart 3 years ago
Don't like...!!!!
Too bad!!!
Seem a copy of the taekwondo ata forms...
Windkick 3 years ago
Our dream is can travel to Korea and practie at this kukkiwon dojang for one day with these awesome guys.
freelonelyguy 3 years ago
as always i am behind the times lol..anyone know where i can get the vid(s) of the new ones?
kidyork 3 years ago
I'm never going to learn this man! But what the hell, lets give it a try. :b
esben1000 3 years ago
ooh! i remember this, the peruvian team male is behind them! :D:D
wichor41 3 years ago
OMG this is perfect synchron. Respect ;)
The second poomsae on this vid is poomse hanryu, really good too.
xdingo93x 3 years ago
it says PI GAK silly. =)
비 - PI
각 - GAK.
23BarMitzvah 3 years ago
WOW!!! These new forms look sweet!!! I'm so excited to learn these, I can't wait!! They look like so much fun. I like the complexity and the change in tempo. I think it really brings out the potential of poomsaes.
minhee951 3 years ago
Also, what is with the poor quaility 'Kiai' ( dunno what it is cvalled in korean ) =\
simondo666 3 years ago
hey simondo666...it isn't a poor quaility 'Kiai? or in korean "Ki-hap". Its actually a proper "shout". What you see in musical forms and movies are improper verson used to attract Audiences and earn points in wacky karate touranments =] It should be short and crisp, not long and annoying if you know what i mean.
anhkhoinguyen 3 years ago
a short crisp (loud) kihap is good for practice and performance in some tournaments, but if you are trying to really catch the judges eye you need a longer kihap than that in this video. Long drawn out yells are especially good for demonstration teams.
zapmehometommorow 3 years ago
Kihap is supposed to be no longer then one second. But it should be loud. Also I like the new poomsae.
SkullSplitterNr1 3 years ago
"Long drawn out yells are especially good for demonstration teams." ---
Exactly. The only point of a long drawn out yell is to earn points in a competition that rewards someone based on long drawn out yells instead of technique. It has nothing to do with mudo.
Martial arts is not about a crowd pleasing demo. The goal of the martial art is not to develop theatrics or flashy uniforms. Martial art competitions should exist to help the martial art evolve and reinforce good/effective principles.
jsstevens 2 years ago
yeah. i know what you mean, But it should be more than a shout, kiai or kihap should be more of a breathing exersise than a simple shout, also, i think it should only be used once to twice.
- thanks simon -
( formally simondo666)
14715829 3 years ago
Long extended screams popular in American karate are actually improper according to the Kukkiwon. A good kihap is a short forcefull exhalation of approx 2/3 the air in your lungs. This is comparable to the hiss a boxer makes while punching, a tennis player makes while serving, a volleyball player makes while spiking etc... the Kukkiwon / Taekwondo way to power is relaxed power. Relax, TENSE, relax. Only a very brief moment of full tension and exertion. This has to be felt to be appreciated.
jsstevens 2 years ago
Yeah, good perfomermance and great timing, but WTF man ?
simondo666 3 years ago
lol
mrcoolies 2 years ago
well, this was recently "invented" so that all blackbleters have a common ground to compete. It's only meant for poomsae competitons. The peacock(bikak) is for 40 and below, hanryu is for above 40. It would be taught around the world after the 3rd poomsae comp if im not wrong. This will be the new identity for tkd practitioners i'm told.
maestrofade 3 years ago
that looks pretty difficulty...
ThDa 3 years ago
that's a pretty long form
jimtindell 3 years ago
I'm from malaysia..member of WTF. Hanryu & Bikak? New Poomse? When is it invented? I'm interested in these new stuff.
atm507 4 years ago
Should make comps honest before bringing in someting new
HESHHEAD 4 years ago
The name of this poomsae is not "peacock" it is "bikak".
Hanryu is my favorite of the two new poomsae.
Where is the video of Hanryu poomsae?
jsstevens 4 years ago
Sorry, just saw Hanryu at the end of this video. There is another video somewhere of a male master performing Hanryu, although he makes a mistake his performance is much stronger.
jsstevens 4 years ago
beautiful!
PCatrick 4 years ago
What Dan level is this poomse aimed at/meant for?
99white 4 years ago
It's a competition poomsae. It won't be on any exams, so don't worry ;)
kikuchi 4 years ago
What Dan level are these poomsae aimed at/meant for?
99white 4 years ago
Thank you for posting this!
robstr12 4 years ago
i was trainning there! hahaha... taekwondo PERU
brunoascll 4 years ago
very nice..
selinlice 4 years ago
Increible, me lo voy a aprender.
minatosempai 4 years ago