@xorterenshe And don't forget it is in some ways a living creature. It feeds off the force. It truly is a tool of the dark side itself. Plus, Death Star can blow planets up, well Star Forge can MAKE the infinite ships to destroys planets.
But the Malevolence? I bet it could disable the enemy fleet enough for the rest of the ships to assault the stabilizers. Plus, I didn't say 1 CIS battleship, I was thinking more like 100s.
Just a note: You can tell from the proximity of the Hammerhead cruisers to the Star Forge that the Star Forge is PROBABLY not as big as the first Death Star, which was 160km in diameter. Being that the Hammerhead cruisers are 315m long, it would take 507 of them, end to end, to add up to 160km. Even the long way against the Star Forge, it's iffy.
Also, the original "The Expeditionary Battle Planetoid" was developed by Raith Sienar of Seinar Technologies, which Tarkin claimed as his own work.
Kamino wasn't so hidden, Master Syfo Dias spoke to the Kaminoans to Create the clones, and when Obi Wan arrives at Kamino the Kaminoans told him that it was one of the finest army's they created.
so clearly more have visited Kamino in request to build there army...
Obi-wan found Kamino, because his friend knew it location (and he found it in very stupid way of luck - Mandalorians were too finding SF solar system in the stupid way).
@SukatoKjolen But watch the part where the Hammerhead cruisers are assaulting the main generator thing at 4:35. Looks pretty big. I mean, You can tell the Hammerheads are pretty large, yet they looked like regular Starfighters next to the Star Forge. While the central sphere of the Star Forge is MUCH smaller then the Death Star, but it has those massive "arms" emerging from the central sphere. So I guess you can say the Death Star is WIDER, but the Star Forge is TALLER.
Like I said, I did my estimate based upon the length of the Hammerheads, 315m, against the spherical part as they assault the stabilizers. It looks like no more than 8 dozen (96) of them would go end to end that way, which is about 30km WIDE. If we assume a very liberal length-width ratio, the Star Forge could be about 4 times as tall as it is wide, which is still 120km. The Death Star was 160km. Please noet that I was extremely lenient on my estimates in favor of the Star Forge being bigger.
the star forge looks a lot bigger then the death star i would say \maybe the death star plans are built from some of the blue prints of the star forge
It probably is bigger than the death star, but it wouldn't have been the basis of the death star blueprints. I doublt Revan's Empire ever had the blueprints to the star forge, it was, after all, built by the Rakata. Plus, didn't Malak say that it way, in some way, like a living creature, perhaps it constructed itself and the Rakata only supervised it's construction. But that bits just speculation on my part.
What I found most interesting about KoToR is that the Force, specifically whether you're light or dark side, can be "forgotten" when memory-loss occurs. Darth Revan lost his memory of being Darth Revan, and thereby he lost his "dark side".
I can't help but wonder if someone like Palpatine had ever gotten memory-loss, if he'd wake up like a normal person.
well his fall is based upon good intentions. given that he was a jedi knight who saw something that no one else predicted so he harnessed the dark side to control and prepare the galaxy
He who controls both the Star Forge and the Death Star is invincible.
Imagine an empire with 3 Star Forges, each one deployed at key locations in the galaxy, near populous locations. Each is guarded by three Death Stars... *drool*
Imagine if the Star Forge could be programmed to manufacture DEATH STARS. Mass produce death stars... omg omg omg.
and where would you get the manpower to keep everything functional? not to mention, what would you do if all of that weaponry was suddenly rendered obsolete?
you couldn't retrofit it easily or replace it cheaply....
Not quite... Do you remember what Malak find out? SF can drain power from jedi and transfer the dark part of it to other person. If you know how to use this power you're invincible :D
Yes that is true, but the star forge is a million year old machine and the death star 2 is a up to date machine and can wipe out a intire planets and ships. don't forget the weapons the death star was made with hundreds of thousands of turbolasers, the star forge had little weapons at all. i say one blast from a completed death star 2 would wipe the star forge of the map.
@KnucklesPiotrek Yeah, I mean, think about it, if the Star Forge had the blueprints, I bet it could MAKE Death Stars. Only thing is it would have to make em before the Death Star could fire it's superlazer...
Man..just compare the firepower of a Sith destroyer with the firepower of a Republic Capitol Ship - I think the Republic wouldn't stand a chance without Bastilas battle meditation - no doubt about that...
And on the subject of ships, prior to this the only full scale war was against the Mandolorian Clans. The Star Forge's ability to create such powerful ships so quickly caught the Republic off guard, their ships are generally not a match.
Obviously later generations are born and bred for conflict, such as the CIS being made up of battle programmed Droids. In theory they and the Empire would have been severly more powerful.
It says during the game that a lot of people followed Revan's way of thinking. Don't forget places like Korriban corrupt subconciously through the presence of ancient dark side 'ley lines' thanks to the temples.
It's expanded on in KOTOR2 when the outcast is brought to trial that a lot of Jedi thought following Revan was the best idea for the overall good of the galaxy even if it did go against their teachings. If Jedi can fall to such decisions, I see no reason normal people can't.
Look: when Revan and Malak join to the Mandalorians Wars, they get a lot of people durning them. So probably they got a lot of people, but not so much ships.
And when they start to atacking the galaxy, probably a lot of people join them.
I said it was hard to believe. Maybe I am just thinking in terms of just Earth's pop because planets like Curascant have to have something like billions upon billions of people and trillions of life forms
@V340E419 Hmm, with the Invisible Hand, Hyena Droid Bombers, and lots of Banking Clan Frigates they could in seconds. Hell, I bet just the Malevolence could disable it enough for some Hyena's to bomb the generator thing.
Man Such a Small Power Core For Such a Huge Station lol Also The "Builders" Should Of Placed The Core Somwhere More Protected. Not all The way Ontop In The Wide Open lol
Anyways Still a Great Game And Great Job Whit The Vid.
What the hell is that Star Forge ?
xsf908 1 year ago
@xsf908
You had to ask. . .
Play Knights of the Old Republic
KnucklesPiotrek 1 year ago
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wookiefable 1 year ago
The Star Forge is far more threatening than the Death Star.
The DS is just a giant sphere (well, the second is 3/4ths of a giant sphere), while the SF is a giant sphere with 3 epicly huge wing-like blades!!
xorterenshe 2 years ago
@xorterenshe And don't forget it is in some ways a living creature. It feeds off the force. It truly is a tool of the dark side itself. Plus, Death Star can blow planets up, well Star Forge can MAKE the infinite ships to destroys planets.
CloneWarsStudio 2 years ago
to CWS,
I was actually only referring to the architecture, but yes, those are good reasons too.
xorterenshe 2 years ago
One CIS battleship could have a 5:1 kill ratio
V340E419 2 years ago
But the Malevolence? I bet it could disable the enemy fleet enough for the rest of the ships to assault the stabilizers. Plus, I didn't say 1 CIS battleship, I was thinking more like 100s.
CloneWarsStudio 2 years ago
Just a note: You can tell from the proximity of the Hammerhead cruisers to the Star Forge that the Star Forge is PROBABLY not as big as the first Death Star, which was 160km in diameter. Being that the Hammerhead cruisers are 315m long, it would take 507 of them, end to end, to add up to 160km. Even the long way against the Star Forge, it's iffy.
Also, the original "The Expeditionary Battle Planetoid" was developed by Raith Sienar of Seinar Technologies, which Tarkin claimed as his own work.
SukatoKjolen 2 years ago 4
indeed,
the death star was hard to hide from the rebellion,
just imagine how hard it would be to hide something bigger then the death star from a well organized Republic.
and the Star Forge was hidden for several thousands of years, from when the Rakata controlled the gallaxy.
jaspertheking4life 2 years ago
Kamino was hidden also from the galaxy - and that was the entire planet. . .
KnucklesPiotrek 2 years ago
Kamino wasn't so hidden, Master Syfo Dias spoke to the Kaminoans to Create the clones, and when Obi Wan arrives at Kamino the Kaminoans told him that it was one of the finest army's they created.
so clearly more have visited Kamino in request to build there army...
jaspertheking4life 2 years ago
It was hidden - for 10 years.
Obi-wan found Kamino, because his friend knew it location (and he found it in very stupid way of luck - Mandalorians were too finding SF solar system in the stupid way).
KnucklesPiotrek 2 years ago
@SukatoKjolen But watch the part where the Hammerhead cruisers are assaulting the main generator thing at 4:35. Looks pretty big. I mean, You can tell the Hammerheads are pretty large, yet they looked like regular Starfighters next to the Star Forge. While the central sphere of the Star Forge is MUCH smaller then the Death Star, but it has those massive "arms" emerging from the central sphere. So I guess you can say the Death Star is WIDER, but the Star Forge is TALLER.
CloneWarsStudio 2 years ago
Like I said, I did my estimate based upon the length of the Hammerheads, 315m, against the spherical part as they assault the stabilizers. It looks like no more than 8 dozen (96) of them would go end to end that way, which is about 30km WIDE. If we assume a very liberal length-width ratio, the Star Forge could be about 4 times as tall as it is wide, which is still 120km. The Death Star was 160km. Please noet that I was extremely lenient on my estimates in favor of the Star Forge being bigger.
SukatoKjolen 2 years ago
the star forge looks a lot bigger then the death star i would say \maybe the death star plans are built from some of the blue prints of the star forge
MetalliacFeather 3 years ago
no the death star was a original plan fron the CIS
but count dooko gave the plans to sidious
and that's how the republic got the plans
jaspertheking4life 3 years ago
i thing the star forge is better and bigger :p
ristan443 2 years ago
It probably is bigger than the death star, but it wouldn't have been the basis of the death star blueprints. I doublt Revan's Empire ever had the blueprints to the star forge, it was, after all, built by the Rakata. Plus, didn't Malak say that it way, in some way, like a living creature, perhaps it constructed itself and the Rakata only supervised it's construction. But that bits just speculation on my part.
FoxCommand226 2 years ago
What I found most interesting about KoToR is that the Force, specifically whether you're light or dark side, can be "forgotten" when memory-loss occurs. Darth Revan lost his memory of being Darth Revan, and thereby he lost his "dark side".
I can't help but wonder if someone like Palpatine had ever gotten memory-loss, if he'd wake up like a normal person.
FrostPegasus 3 years ago
no palpatine had been the dark sith lord for over almost a century and he always was..corrupt to the senate
jaspertheking4life 3 years ago
Mhm, and Darth Revan hadn't been the Dark Sith Lord?
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
well his fall is based upon good intentions. given that he was a jedi knight who saw something that no one else predicted so he harnessed the dark side to control and prepare the galaxy
tardiselliot 2 years ago
That's why he was the greatest one of the Sith Lords - imo...
KnucklesPiotrek 2 years ago
He who controls both the Star Forge and the Death Star is invincible.
Imagine an empire with 3 Star Forges, each one deployed at key locations in the galaxy, near populous locations. Each is guarded by three Death Stars... *drool*
Imagine if the Star Forge could be programmed to manufacture DEATH STARS. Mass produce death stars... omg omg omg.
Albion72 3 years ago 6
wuhahahahahhaahhaaha uber pownage :D:D:D
jaspertheking4life 3 years ago
and where would you get the manpower to keep everything functional? not to mention, what would you do if all of that weaponry was suddenly rendered obsolete?
you couldn't retrofit it easily or replace it cheaply....
russianbear0027 2 years ago
Conscripts that are payed very well.
Albion72 2 years ago
I guess it would work as long as you fixed that tiny weakness...but other than that,
oh wow, if you wanted to destroy taris (for real instead of just the city) one shot booooom!
russianbear0027 2 years ago
Yes, sure. The Rakata built the SF not for battle, but for manufacturing ships. And these ships are, what makes is powerful, so...^^
ExpandedFilms 3 years ago
Not quite... Do you remember what Malak find out? SF can drain power from jedi and transfer the dark part of it to other person. If you know how to use this power you're invincible :D
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
did you ever considert it's for both purposes? both battle AND ship manufacturing?
jaspertheking4life 3 years ago
That's just what I'm trying to say :D
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
Yes that is true, but the star forge is a million year old machine and the death star 2 is a up to date machine and can wipe out a intire planets and ships. don't forget the weapons the death star was made with hundreds of thousands of turbolasers, the star forge had little weapons at all. i say one blast from a completed death star 2 would wipe the star forge of the map.
Gamemaster115 3 years ago
Yes, I really know this. Even if SF was build by the ancient, very powerful, race it's not changing the fact, that this is ancient factory... ;)
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
"A million years old" is way to much. From Kotor I it's about 30-50.000 years maybe since it was built.
ExpandedFilms 3 years ago
Ach, yea! You've right!
But it's not change the fact that DS2 would destroy easly SF :(
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
ok what would win a completed death star 2 vs the star forge... i'm guessing the death star
Gamemaster115 3 years ago
Well Death Star is a weapon, very powerful weapon... Star Forge is a factor, it can build a very powerful weapon :D
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
@KnucklesPiotrek Yeah, I mean, think about it, if the Star Forge had the blueprints, I bet it could MAKE Death Stars. Only thing is it would have to make em before the Death Star could fire it's superlazer...
CloneWarsStudio 2 years ago
It was really cool to see the bravery of the republic fleet against what seemed like impossible odds in the beginning
Slurrps 3 years ago
Was the star forge larger than the death stars? It certainly had a better purpose, but I'm confused when it comes to size.
darkjedimaster16 3 years ago
hmmm possible the death star is bigger however i agree with you when you say the star forge serves a better purpose
paulo9991 3 years ago
How can I download this video to see a better copy? And have a permanent one?
conceptman08 3 years ago
Grrr... Probably I deleted this one from hard disc... But I got the second one - the same, but other ending.
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
PS: If you want it, I can upload it on rapidshare.
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
Please do! Is Rapid share a blog?
conceptman08 3 years ago
It's easy to see why the Republic was losing the war. Interdictors vs. those crappy Endar Spire class capships isn't really an even fight.
Ved0000 3 years ago
Man..just compare the firepower of a Sith destroyer with the firepower of a Republic Capitol Ship - I think the Republic wouldn't stand a chance without Bastilas battle meditation - no doubt about that...
majlosz21 3 years ago
Yes, I agree with you.
Even if Bastila doesn't help sith from the begining, the Republic would lose this battle.
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
And on the subject of ships, prior to this the only full scale war was against the Mandolorian Clans. The Star Forge's ability to create such powerful ships so quickly caught the Republic off guard, their ships are generally not a match.
Obviously later generations are born and bred for conflict, such as the CIS being made up of battle programmed Droids. In theory they and the Empire would have been severly more powerful.
Jiffmo 3 years ago
It says during the game that a lot of people followed Revan's way of thinking. Don't forget places like Korriban corrupt subconciously through the presence of ancient dark side 'ley lines' thanks to the temples.
It's expanded on in KOTOR2 when the outcast is brought to trial that a lot of Jedi thought following Revan was the best idea for the overall good of the galaxy even if it did go against their teachings. If Jedi can fall to such decisions, I see no reason normal people can't.
Jiffmo 3 years ago
its seems kind of hard to believe all of fighters and capital ships from the sith have humans in them
micah9639 3 years ago
Maybe no.
Look: when Revan and Malak join to the Mandalorians Wars, they get a lot of people durning them. So probably they got a lot of people, but not so much ships.
And when they start to atacking the galaxy, probably a lot of people join them.
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
I said it was hard to believe. Maybe I am just thinking in terms of just Earth's pop because planets like Curascant have to have something like billions upon billions of people and trillions of life forms
micah9639 3 years ago
Yeah you're right ^^
KnucklesPiotrek 3 years ago
Wow, that Republic Cruiser didn't take much fire.
johanndc 4 years ago
do you think the empire's star destroyers would beat the star forges capitol ships?
V340E419 4 years ago
Well I think yes, because those old republic ships destroys them too.
KnucklesPiotrek 4 years ago
don't forget they did you bastila for the space fight. I wonder if the CIS would of crushed the star forge.
what class were the republic ships in the movie?
V340E419 4 years ago
@V340E419 Hmm, with the Invisible Hand, Hyena Droid Bombers, and lots of Banking Clan Frigates they could in seconds. Hell, I bet just the Malevolence could disable it enough for some Hyena's to bomb the generator thing.
CloneWarsStudio 2 years ago
lol I Love This Scene!
Man Such a Small Power Core For Such a Huge Station lol Also The "Builders" Should Of Placed The Core Somwhere More Protected. Not all The way Ontop In The Wide Open lol
Anyways Still a Great Game And Great Job Whit The Vid.
prostagma 4 years ago
Thanks man :)
KnucklesPiotrek 4 years ago
It's not the power core, it's the ... thing which negates the star's gravity Destroying it is making it crash into the sun.
FrostPegasus 4 years ago 2
Ive Played this game so many times ive memorized every Blast Fired
Immortal091 4 years ago
Yw :P
chris26moss 4 years ago
Thx ^^
KnucklesPiotrek 4 years ago
good job
chris26moss 4 years ago