Bach - B minor Mass - 11 - Quoniam tu solus sanctus

[oljev]

Zeitlupe!

[leonardo1x]

elevándome!

[Arsenate22]

Unbearably slow - great if you're learning the aria and want to check your runs but my goodness, I can imagine Bach in the audience thinking "WTF are you doing with the tempo?" and wanting to throw something

[phlarrdboi]

@Arsenate22 something = up

[presbyterosBassI]

Karl Richter's group are using German Latin. They pronounce Latin according to the rules of German: Kvonium tu zolus zantus.

This way for Bach, but the regular way for Vivaldi.

[angietihi]

omg wasnt Hermann Prey so good looking! And such superb horn playing.

[beethomozart]

sublime the horn is such a beautiful instrument, here accompanying the bass, Bach wll always be inmortal

[akhmm]

Fantastic but i love Mazmur ladavid even more and he is orient music but this is an amazing interpretation

[301250]

gardiners's recording with d monteverdi choir beats d field as d singing is nothing short of miraculous with d right attack and precision... and d superb soloists also

[noacantin]

Pretty slow, isn't it?

At time 3:58

the guy at the left is picking is nose with a bow.

[vanya2309]

Bach was lutheran, mass is music for catholic church. But music is Bach is higher than confessions, this is Christian music!

[Eurofrank1]

Putting the issues of his weird Latin pronunciation aside, the voice just doesn´t do it for me; it lacks "ping" and anyway he´s a baritone and this aria really needs a bass-baritone to bring out the bottom notes. I like the horn playing though.

[301250]

@Eurofrank1: the brirish bass, john shirley-quirk with guilini is the best compared with d rest as his tone and projection is second to none

[bobmusick]

AHHHHHHHHH Beautiful voice! Mixed with that horn... YESSSSSS love it.

[waipaut]

esta es mi interpretación favorita de esta pieza, bajo la magistral dirección de Karl Richter, como siempre

[Baccalaureus79]

My God, he was so YOUNG!!!

[jrwhorn2626]

aaaahhhhh!  So SLOW!! aahhhhhhh!

[rgeraredz]

Those bassoons should be ashamed. Cavorting like a pair of oboes, in front of God and everybody.

[parsifal560]

It is not an F-alto descant, but an G-alto horn that Baumann played on this recording of the B-minor mass.

[tubalooney]

Hurragh for the Hermanitor!

Style perhaps a bit dated but his command of the horn is just breathtaking beautiful.

Herman Prey is great but it's really a bass aria! I agree with the commment below that Richter was a musical giant head and shoulders above John Elliot-Gardner also a fine musician despite his fanciful Berlioz interpretations!

To reply to gwbassoc Hermann Baumann is also perfectly capable of playing the natural horn but this video dates from the 80's before "original instruments"

[1337evan]

Hermann Baumann!!

[law0010]

This just doesn't sound right with a modern horn. As if they couldn't find a natural horn player in munich. Also it is much to slow, and its stressing out the bass and the horn. I know that bach never gave tempo markings but...... seriously.

I prefer John Elliot Gardener's version of this.

[gwbassoc]

Karl Richter was the last major advocate of the romanticised Bach left over from the 19th century. I sang "Der Messias" in munich with him and it was incredibly exciting. But Harnoncourt (with whom I also sang) was pointing the way to the future of Baroque performance with his original instrument performances. But Richter was a great, great musician.

[feetje2008]

How exciting you sang with Karl Richter! What kind of man was he like? I watched the Legacy of Karl Richter, very informative as regarding to his conductorship but there's not much in it about him as a person.

[gwbassoc]

Karl RIchter was a giant. His "big Bach" style with modern instruments is no longer stylistically "au courant", but his musicianship was huge.

[car2052]

Has Barry Tuckwell ever played this piece before?

[TSarsany]

Isn't an 's' at the beginning of the word where the 's' is followed by a vowel pronounced "z"??

[mendoncacorreia]

In German, yes. I think there's been here some misunderstanding about what Latin pronouncing was used by Hermann Prey in this performance: it was the traditional pronouncing, that is, the pronouncing according to one's own native language. That is why here the "sss" at the beggining of the words sound like "zzz".

[gwbassoc]

Although Germans insist that their pronunciation is the "correct" one. Why? Ever heard of the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation"? That's why! At least according to the Germans!

[callas4me]

His playing on a simple single Bb horn - nothing special.

[tubalooney]

Don't think so high f alto I should think

[TSarsany]

this is DELIGHTFUL

[car2052]

I don't think so, but im not sure. I think corno di caccias are valveless.

[qfiggly]

i think its a baroque corno di caccia

[car2052]

Is Baumann using a vienna horn?

[JLwaldhorn]

it is a descant horn in F

[jesemus33]

ohh my god bach inspired composers even of the popular tunes of hollywood the first notes of the horn at the begining is like "over the rainbow" bach was copied WOWW he was so copied since then

[TSarsany]

"Over the Rainbow comes from here? interesting...

[handelfan610]

i had no idea...that's fun...his g minor fugue was used as the theme for a sixties hit "a little fugue for you and me" and then part of that was sampled for a rap song called "no escaping this"...he's all over the place...but i like him better this way.

[jesemus33]

no doubt about it!!!!

Bach music is a bless to the earth

[handelfan610]

couldn't be said better.

[jesemus33]

thank god for Bach!!!!!

[ufoka01]

Agree:)

[Antillas636]

Actually the name of the hornist is Horst not Hermann. Horst Baumann.

Hermann Prey is the well known baritone who sings.

[valkhorn]

Its Hermann Baumann. Not Horst.

[hornep2000]

Actually the baritone's name is Horst not Hermann. Horst Prey. The hornist is the well known and one of the greatest hornplayer who live. HERMANN BAUMANN!

[ManhattanSkyline]

BAUMANNNNNN  :))))))

[trompista007]

The hornist is Hermann Baumann, I think that is important that you write also the hornist name in the comentaries

[David61791]

Really, that is the great Baumann. He is the only Fench Horn player who can be considered as great as Dennis Brain.

[originalprofundo]

Tu Zolus Zanctus? :) The German version of Latin always seems weird to me.

[TSarsany]

it's called German Latin :)

[Timrath]

it's wrong even in german. we, too, say "solus sanctus" in german. this is just prey's sloppy pronunciation.

[mendoncacorreia]

Although I'm not a German, I'm not sure of that.

This recording was done in 1969. In 1965, Ernst-Gerold Schramm, conducted by the same Richter, pronounced it as Prey did here: was he sloppy too? I don't think so.

As far as I know, the German "s" is pronounced "zzz" (as in "Zebra"): the German "ß" (the "Esszet") is what is pronounced "sss".

That being the case, Schramm, Prey and other German singers of the 60s (and before) used the "traditional" pronouncing of Latin (as I've written here).

[Timrath]

i don't know why schramm did it, but prey was from berlin, and although they vehemently deny it, berliners do have quite a heavy nonstandard accent. just because they're famous that doesn't mean they are without their little faults.

speaking of faults... am i the only one who thinks this is much too slow? what was richter thinking?

[mendoncacorreia]

[1/2]

As for the accent, I see what you mean. Hhere in Portugal, up North, the consonant "v" is pronounced "b" by most people (as it is in vast regions of Spain).

Nevertheless, you should bare in mind that, if you adopt the traditional pronouncing of Latin, it's not wrong if you use a nonstandard accent of your native lingo.

In spite of his origins, Prey would sing later in his career some great operas in Italian ("Traviata", "Nozze", "Barbiere"...) with an almost flawless pronounciation.

[mendoncacorreia]

About the (infamous) matter of the appropriate tempo to perform Bach, I still have my doubts...

As for the "Magnificat", I've already criticized Ton Koopman for the (very high) speed used by him to perform it, for reasons you can read right here at "YouTube".

As for the "Mass", I must confess I'm quite pleased with this tempo choosed by Richter to conduct it. Of course, being as I am a contemplative (catholic) person, a faster tempo would make it impossible for me to "taste" it as whole...

[1401JSC]

I have the feeling that Bach movements should mirror the dances of the Baroque period.

However, when you have such a large choir and orchestra in a resonant acoustic (unlike St Thomas Leipzig in the 1740s) maybee the tempo has to be more massive.

Thinbk how long it would take to celevrate mass if the music was played at this tempo !!!

[noacantin]

Jes**, your right, it's way too slow for the whole mass!!

But when the Cum Santo Spiritu kicks in faster, the contrast between the two really feels great!

[mendoncacorreia]

Hermann Prey sings (beautifully!) this aria using (not the restored but) the traditional pronouncing of Latin, that is, the pronouncing according to our native lingo. For instance, a Portuguese (like me) would sing "Tu, solus sanctus" more or less like this: "Tu, sssolujjj sssanctujjj"...

[nutty42]

Bach, Richter & Hermann Prey: a divine Trio

[saenger56]

I love Bach: with Karl Richter and hermann Prey I love him even more!