George Galloway talks to Oliver Kamm of The Times about Israel - Talksport 02/01/2009 (Part 2)

[The100black100]

Seriously stop going back on the "..but Hamas fires rockets..." cards it gets annoying. Before 2000 when Hamas was created, Innocent civilians were still dieng, and Gaza nor Palestine had any effective Army. Hamas was simply a democratically elected Defence by the People of Gaza in order to defend themselves!And let us not forget that Israel creat Hamas and funded it in order to rival Fatah! Why? Because Fatah wanted Peace, so they made an extremist group called Hamas!! Visit my channel to learn

[MrTryfe]

Yes, Kamm obviously "won", especially considering the fact that he kept dodging a simple question. Goodness sakes, I don't really mind atheists, but seriously, stop slobbering Hitchens knob all the time.

[SubZero1703]

LOL at Oliver Kamm, Chris Hitchens is a wanker also. No mark little boys that think they are somehitng. Oh tell me mr KAMM where the fuck were you when the Lebanese people asked you to go there for first hand interviews ? You said "No ". Sir you are a tosser.

[timewilltell7]

i love hitchens

[shinobi2119]

Mister Galloway, if you would like to have my views rather than tell me what my views are, I can certainly tell you...

[nemesis700]

hahahahah oliver kamm held his own. well done to him

[raskinman]

@nemesis700

he held your mums tits too ;)

[SubZero1703]

@nemesis700 Held his own :P "Barclay Banker" *wanker* precisely :)

[countertreason]

George Galloway has an incredibly tyrannical spirit, the level of force he exerts over Kamm. He relishes in having Kamm on his turf.

What kind of sick pervert is Galloway, and worse yet, what about all you sick fucks who enjoy him. Your all scum.

[finchy633]

Kahm whoops Galloway.

[radoa1]

@finchy633 nup

[BritishNeoCon]

Ignoring how frivolous Galloway's views are he's equally impressively childish and immature in his interviews also.

[radoa1]

@BritishNeoCon kamm refuses to answer. Full of platitudes. What a waste of space

[CIarKent]

Hamas murdered over a thousand israeli civilians using suicide bombings (and Galloway not only never complained about that, he actually praised them for it).

Hamas also murdered 800 Palestinian civilians in Gaza when taking it by force from Fatah (also with no comment from Galloway).

Hamas deliberately targets civilians, and hides behind civilians. that is a fact.

Galloway is the biggest hypocrite, liar and traitor since Lord Haw Haw

[Khan12078]

@CIarKent isreal is a zionist state which has killed 250 plus Palestinians with phophrus gas which burns and incinerates the insides of a person body. Activist from Britian who had gone to Palestine to fight for there rights were killed or crushed underneath IDF tanks.

isreal was the one who broke the cease fire aganist Hamas. and theys eem to kill the apparent HAMAS in places which the seem to think an be found, given cordinates by usa of civilians they seemed to attack those location

[Khan12078]

@CIarKent which in this case were schools and aid firms set up for Palistinians in which Palestinians women and children were killed in. By the way isreal is already commiting illegal crimes by ocuping what used to be Palestine. as well as an agreement in which they agreed that they would give the Palestinians back there west bank 16 years ago and still havent till this date. Whos the real terrorist Hamas or isreal you decide.

and what a lier making staemnts about "thousnad of isrealis being

[Khan12078]

@CIarKent killed by suicide bombs" by Hamas only fired rockets over to Isreal which only seem to injure a few isrealis with no fatilities.

i think the real reall lieieng decietful people are those who make false statements which support zionism such as yourself. and you seem to aspire as a real hypocrite. George Galloway is someoen who stands up for those treated unjustly in parts of the world. P.S in the 6 month cease fire the IDF also starved the Palestinians when they were trapped in

[strepsil08]

Go Kamm

Galloway Scum!

[MultiStevo1]

You are a hypocrite Mr Galloway...... How can you condemn Israel killing innocent Palestinian civilians and ignore Hamas killing innocent Israelis???!! And what do Hamas stand for (the party you lovingly support): LURID ANTI-SEMITISM, TOTALITARIANISM, MISOGNY, RELIGIOUS DICTATORSHIP, HOMOPHOBIA and outright MURDER of anyone who disagrees with them...... Just ask the PLO in GAZA....... Well done Oliver kamm

[taha32]

@MultiStevo1 dickhead the palos have only killed 8 israelis in the last 5 yrs so shut the fuck up idiot! isreal are the invaders! isreal are therefore the terrorists!

[Khan12078]

@MultiStevo1 you stupid moron no isrealis died from the rockets which were shot in isreal but 1000 of Palestinians on the Gaza strip were killed from the IDF with stealth bomber, missles, phrophrus gas (burns the inside of the body)

and by the way isreal was also condemed for its war crimes on humanity and do not let any reporters within the city who would unveil the zionit proaganda which isrealis stand for and hold dearly to there heart

[CIarKent]

@Khan12078 that's a lie. there were many people killed by Hamas's rockets including children. and many people lost arms/legs or were scarred for life. not to mention the fact that a million civilians had to be in shelters for years because of Hamas' rockets.

Hamas deliberately fired those rockets at 8 in the morning when most people go to work and all the children go to school. the only reason few people were killed is because israel built shelters everywhere even on the streets for protection

[Khan12078]

@CIarKent No not a few people killed a few people were injured in in isreal why are your making fasle statements

[CIarKent]

@Khan12078 you're ignorant of the facts. dozens of people were killed by these rockets and many children lost their limbs. and that was before Israel returned fire.

many more would have died if the israelis didn't have shelters and alarms. they even put shelters everywhere on the streets. but does not mean that hamas has the right to fire these rockets to terrorize the civilian population.

do the israelis have to live in bomb shelters for years and not retaliate? no country would tolerate this

[Khan12078]

@CIarKent firstly no one was terrozued in isreal to that extent i think you got it th wrong way round. and secondly it not there country at the end of th day they stole it from th Palestinians

[CIarKent]

@Khan12078 oh really so the thousands of israeli civilians who died in terrorist attacks just died from natural causes? the palestinians never ever killed anyone?

the jews didn't steal anything they lived there since before the arabs. the UN gave them authority over part of the land and the jews agreed but the arabs wanted everything only to themselves and started a war to get it but ended up loosing. so it's their own fault for starting a war.

those who want everything end up with nothing.

[Khan12078]

@CIarKent oh my God. why you going to end up lying for. the Palestinians had that land centuries before the Jews left and then after 5 to 600 years later they have the right to have a piece of the land. and who are the UN to say who gets what land. if thats the case i want Spain back because it used to be the Ottaman Empires. Your coming up with weaker statements to justify isreal was right in any way of stealing land. well thats what you say isrealis claim that "god gave them this land" thats

[7jem331]

@Khan12078 Spain never belonged to the Ottoman Empire at any time in either nations history. What Israel is doing however is unknown in world history.

[Khan12078]

@CIarKent there accuse for taking stolen land.

[CIarKent]

@Khan12078 even if you're right that doesn't mean you can kick the people who are living there out now because most of them were born there and lived there all their life. that's like saying to the americans they should leave america just because their ancestors immigrated from another continent.

the palestinians have no right to kill civilians. and it also wouldn't work because they won't suceed in achieving anything this way. they only make things worse for themselves. they need peace not war

[Khan12078]

@CIarKent sorry i meant the Usayed Empire my bad ;)

[gtalcstories]

TO all those who say Hitchens lost to Galloway. Answer me this.

Why? since then, Galloway has refused to ever debate Hitchens, who has said he will face GG at any time.

And why is it that Hitchens remains one of the most sought after speakers in universities, radio stations, tv programmes, news shows etc around the world on a variety of topics including Iraq,

while Galloway relies on presstv the iranian dictatorships tv propaganda channel to make any sort of appearance.

Galloway won???

[JONNOG88]

I agree.

Galloway has no place to debating proper Academics and Analysts. Like Hitchens and Kamm.

And I don't care how many thumbs down this gets. Galloway is an intellectual lightweight compared to Hitchens and Kamm.

And lets not forget in order to win the Bethnell seat in 2005.He did have to pander to the needs and wants of the Islamic Fundamentalists.

[spspaceboy]

@snookybutts

I'm afraid I really can't remember - something I was reading online at the time (2 months ago!). What figure do you believe? (I really should start being a good student and put references into posts, just like I wish everyone would. Ah for the eradication of hypocrisy...)

[spspaceboy]

@michelangeli23

Alas, that's pretty standard Galloway.

[joachim1987]

@michelangeli23

Kamm is a better debater and usualy comes out better because his opponents are less articulate and unaware of minor foreign relations trivia. This does'nt stop Kamm from being a total slime artist who always attacks his enemys on their deathbeds or being unwilling to debate them in person.

[dascta1990]

Is it just me or does Oliver Kamm bring up Christopher Hitchens all the time? He wishes he was Hitchens so badly it's embarrassing.

[joachim1987]

@dascta1990

who would want to be Christopher Hitchens? though he is a interlectual giant compared to Kamm.

[joachim1987]

Off topic, but I just watched Kamm defending Blair in his usual slime drenched way on a channel that like Kamm's blog sensors comments that point out the facts, anyway acording to Peter Hitchens Blair receved £90,000 for a speaking engagment in Azerbaijan a country not unlike North Korea, so there goes Kamm's Tony the liberator of the oppressed routine, try and pompously explain your self out of that Kamm.

[spspaceboy]

Also I'm not going to take a stand for Galloway. I haven't read into the oil for food party, and I might not even be that surprised if his twattishness lapsed over into evilness from time to time. But I'm not informed enough about him to say one way or the other. For Kamm, I judge him by what I know about him. If I'm missing some vital information, please enlighten me!

[spspaceboy]

Well, he backed the invasion of iraq for one thing. More than 2 million killed, 6 million displaced, illegal and cynical from the start, replete with theatrical/cinematic video-bites like the toppling of Sadam's statue which they had to pay the Iraqis to do... I think being in favour of that bullshit is pretty evil.

[snookybutts]

@spspaceboy 2 million killed? where did you get that number?

[spspaceboy]

I do wish Galloway would be less of a twatt, as I usually agree with his semantics - just not the syntax. example: audibly fading Kamm (evil man that he is) out when he starts accusing G of lying; talking over him and belittling his reputation (not a bad thing for a utube comment perhaps,but immensely immature for a politician and a broadcaster) while Kamm is trying to actually make his point - a point which would no doubt highlight his own corrupt stupidity much more efficiently than G's jibes!

[DrunkAtheist]

Oh that's interesting. Oliver Kamm is the evil man and not George Galloway? How did you come to that conclusion?

[Ba3dadBoy]

Hitchens didn't just get whopped. He got whopped and handed a lollypop

[Viking241]

Galloway killed Hitchens.

[onerule1985]

galloway killed hitchens is this man insane

[officialPaze]

this is why I dont read The Times.

[0nyxBlackman]

The Galloway-Hitchens debate is on youtube. Galloway is the clear winner.

[adstanra]

@0nyxBlackman surely you jest...Hitchens destroyed Galloway who loves to lie about his support of despots and thugs.Can you imagine the reaction of any state in history to missiles being launched into their cities? What would the Iranians do? What would the Soviets have done? i wonder what would happen to Galloway if he was as critical of Syria or Iran and was living there?

[kshaq22]

Oliver Scum

[kshaq22]

Exactly!

[abdulmismail]

Oliver Kamm is a "good friend" of Christopher Hitchens, another eloquently spoken air head.

[jck7jackson]

very good george, don,t let these clowns get you down...

[ANTIDALLARD]

It was Israel that walked away from the taba agreement. Look up Schlomo ben-ami. who was a chief negotiater. He says they were pulled back from a deal with Arafat.

[koya25555]

no kiddin eah? so stupid

[JacobsJaffa]

I have had enough of right ring rhetoric from articulate speakers that seems to automatically brainwash the masses. When will honesty and equality become more important than style?

Hamas was a democratically elected Government, yet the West i.e. America and Britain, decided not to recognise them because they don't like them, but at the same time are fighting an illegal war to impose democracy on Iraq. The irony beggars belief!

[terratrema]

The ONLY solution is a one-state solution. Give Palestinians refugees the right of return, perhaps allow Gaza and the West Bank as strictly Muslim districts, and in time the violence will cease. Jews and Muslims can become brothers and sisters. It's a beautiful thought.

Only Israel can make this happen, but it isn't likely to try until filthy organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Likud piss off. Ordinary Palestinians and ordinary Israelis must demonstrate that they can trust one another.

[shariotoflove]

im sorry but you are only looking at one side of the coin, the other side would be to get rid of the, as you say it, FILTHY zionist regime of israel. then muslims and jews can live side by side. plus, palestine, first and foremost, palestine must have their land and to be recognised as a state, as it belonged to them originally and is currently illegally occupied. then israel can have their SHARE. a key word, that!

[YINever]

Gave a 5, because Kamm is awesome and Galloway is a sorry ass propagandist.

[hanysal]

Long Live The Democratically elected government Led by HAMAS, Down with Israel who Broke the Ceasefire on November 4th.

[salaciousone]

wow Galloway made to look a fool. Again.

[khalistanikharkoo]

lol are you an idiot, oliver kept avoiding his question ' will the events in gaza make extremists more extreme?'. He kept avoiding because he knew galloway was right. Israel is just getting deeper and deeper in there mess.

[salaciousone]

If the recent events in Gaza did not occur do you think the extremists would have become *less* extreme?

Or maybe they would have remained plain old charming extremists?

[khalistanikharkoo]

ok sorry let me rephrase that. 'They have created more extremeists' :)

[havokbrockley]

viva palistina long live hamas

[terratrema]

Viva Palistina yes, but Hamas no. There is nothing good about Hamas, unless you believe in the ultimate in religious extremism.

[CookiesForAll]

george calling hitchens a slug was awesome and ass whopping

[Iain1962]

Hitchens wopped Galloway? Not when I was watching. George can be a bit of a bully but he has a lot of logic in what he says.

There was no need for the personal attack here but then I suppose there is some history.

[JetStream93]

Go george!