@musicianbass076 The 2600 Jr was just a redesign. It was still a 2600. There was also a Tele-Games version, a black "Vader" version, as well as several minor revisions such as the 4-Switcher and Lite Sixer.
Should I get the 5200 or 7800 (5200-2 working controllers, all hookups, some games 7800-a game, two working controllers, and all hookups) also I have alot of 2600 games, but no 2600.
@cabsk8er7 I'd go with the 7800. It's backwards compatible with 2600 games so you'll have tons to choose from. The 5200 is slightly more advances, but there aren't all that many games for it compared to the 2600 and 7800.
I liked the Jaguar, but the controller was bad. then again Atari improved it with the 6 button pad & the games started to get better but only at the end of the systems life I.E. Capcom's Street Fighter 2. Sam Tramiel didn't know what he was doing. originally Atari was going to make it a CD system which would've been better but someone decided selling the CD as an addon was more profitable. but the carts high cost & Tramiel bad management & Atari cutting corners on making the Jag doomed it.
@bbhgootube For sure. And it was delayed far too long. If it had been released when it was supposed to it would have been the most powerful system on the market. But they waited too long and it ended up looking outdated in comparison to the Saturn, Playstation, and N64.
i heard that the controller of the 5200 was designed by someone who literly never played a videogame in hes entire life. a litle sad, the 5200 was a powerfull system for its time.
@darockstardude I have one now, and it was a powerful system. But the controller wasn't the only thing holding it back. The games were all just better versions of the same games the 2600 had, which is why the probably didn't want to put in backwards compatibility. It could have been a success if Atari had replaced the controllers and put as much effort into the software as they did when they were pushing the 2600.
@carlcheryl This is just about Atari's main consoles. That's why I didn't talk about their computers, handhelds, and other electronics. I will be doing an entire episode about the Atari Lynx in the future as well as an episode on early computers such as the Atari 8bit computers.
The Atari 5200 would have been the best system before the nintendo if the controllers worked. It comes closest to the arcade for all of there games. The only game I like for the Jaguar is Wolfenstein 3-D.
i just wanted to point out tht the jaguar was indeed a 64 bit system. Sure it didn't look it but it was. It had a 32 bit graphics processer and a 32 bit sound card. 32 + 32 = 64 The 32 bit graphics were only on a par with sega's 32x add-on. Just wanted to point that out.
Actually the Jag had a 64bit Object Processor as well as a 64bit co-processor, but it's Graphics processor was only 32bit.
You can't really add up the bits of multiple processors. You don't really even need to to argue the Jag was indeed 64bit. But it wasn't 64bit were it counts.
Look at the Nintendo 64. Both its CPU and Co-Processor are true 64bit chips. There's no 32 bottleneck anywhere.
At best the Jag was a hybrid of 32/64bit while the Nintendo 64 was actually 64bit throughout.
@kainkusanagi The Jaguar was meant to run most of its demanding code through that object processor as like a gpgpu and put little load on the CPU, like a lot of modern servers do these days. Developers didnt like that idea and between that bad memory controller on the cpu and documentation the games suffered. The Saturn had that trouble with no one wanting to use both CPUs in parallel and the N64 being mostly used in its 32 bit mode. Lazy programming crippled them each.
@Alevamltd The CPU and GPU were 64bit in the N64. Sure it had a 32bit bus, but the chips themselves are 64bit and to me that lets Nintendo call it a 64bit machine.
If I run a 32bit version of Windows on a 64bit CPU it's still a 64bit machine. The same can be said of the N64. The N64's CPU was 64bit, but most devs just ran in 32bit mode. The limited bus may have been the main reason for it, but either way the CPU was 64bit and that's good enough for me.
I have a 2600 and also a 5200 from atari, and own pretty much all of the good vintage consoles and id have to say that the atari 5200 is my favorite system. If you actually would take the time to go on ebay or other atari sites to buy 3rd party controllers like i had done then the system would be playable. Its a blast once you get your new controllers. Look up atari 5200 rebuilt controllers or atari wico. Not hard and stop ripping on atari. They basicly started videogames. Jerk
lol, I love Atari. You can tell if you watch Part 1 or listen to my ending points. This video is about the mistakes they made that caused them to fall from grace.
As for the 5200. I have a two port model with after market controllers. It's a decent system, but it shipped with such flawed joysticks people returned it to stores. That's a huge failure.
As a collector's item it's cool, even if almost all it's games are ports and updates. But there was no reason to buy the thing when it came out.
I bought the 7800 a few months ago and gotta confess I really like the machine, shame I never owned one as a kid, but I stand by my choice of getting a Master System.
But Namco Bandai might be getting Atari's name quite soon did ye know? In fact they already "technically" own it in Europe now as they've sort of merged here.
I'm very well aware that the Jaguar is notorious for being difficult to program, but I've also heard it has a cult coder following that develops games for it -- have you tried to code for it kainkusanagi? How hard is it really to utilize all the performance of this machine and keep the pipeline from stalling?
As someone who likes assembly (x86) programming myself I think it would be rather fun to code for such an exotic machine.
I'm rather curious why they even opted for 64-bit on the Jaguar, how often do you really benefit from 64-bit ALU functionality on the kind of games the Jaguar would entail? I mean, sure it might help sometimes, but it costs more to make; and please don't tell me it uses 64-bit pointers too on this arch.
From looking at the specs of the Jaguar it would be pretty interesting to know the actual theoretical MIPS/FLOPS on it vs. the Playstation, Whetstone/Dhrystone or equivalent performance.
To mention Choplifter as a standout title for the 7800 is like mentioning lettuce as one of the best ingredients of a Big Mac. Other than that, do you even know what blunder I am referring to for #2?.
I didn't forget any of it. This was about the consoles, not handhelds or computers. I'll be doing a whole episode in the future on 8bit computers and the Lynx is going to get a episode too for my Gameboy Alternatives ongoing series. The Game Gear is next though. As for the Jaguar CD, that's not a system, it's an add on and a minor detail in my opinion. If I talked about every aspect of Atari it would probably end up as long as a feature film and I wanted to keep it down to a couple vids.
They are functionly identicle but look different. The Junior looks more like a small 5200 or 7800, but it works the same and plays the same games as a regular 2600.
They are newer than most regular 2600 so they might last longer without problems, but other than that it really just comes down to personal preferences.
I like the original because it's what I had as a kid. The Junior is a nice machine though.
I'm going to give the Lynx it's own episode, this was just about the company as a home console maker. In addition to a portable episode I'm planing to do a Atari Computer episode as well.
also wenu talk about the halfassed conslose in this generation just sayin is only the ps3cuz 360is bacwardscompatible im just u have any other reasons tell me
I don't think the 360 and PS3 are half assed, but I do think their backward compatibility is. Instead of all PS3 playing PS2 and PS1 games, only certain models do. The 360 is only backwards compatible with select Xbox games. Unlike the Wii which plays all Gamecube games.
I now live my Atari games though two of the best Pick Up and Play series, the Atari Pick up and Play and also the Activision Pick up and play that have 10 (or 20) of the great games from the Atari 2600.
Sadly there were allot of other great games that I had on my older Atari 2600 Junior that I can't play anymore because of what I already said in my last comment.
I do have an Atari, but the 2600 Junior version. The controllers I had were more like the 7800 controllers, There was also a 2600 controller that looked allot like an NES pad, but it breaks easy after a few years of playing.
I hardly play my 2600 Junior now since I can't even play it on the already broken controllers I thought were cool at the time.
I should have got the original Joystick as I heard it lasts longer even till this day.
The Sega ones are the best if you prefer a D-Pad like I do. Berzerk and Robotron are two of the few games I only like to use joysticks with For the rest it's all about the Sega pads.
I remember when the Jag came out, that was back in the wake of the bit wars. Back then I remember the top three crappy looking consoles on the market was the Jaguar, the 3DO, and the Philips CD-i. Neither of which really really tempted me. I took one look at the Jaguar's controller and was like "Um, no."
I once owned a Jaguar and thought that it was pretty good but probably because I only own five games for the system: Atari Karts, Rayman, Tempest 2000, Raiden, and Aliens vs. Predator. Not sure if any of them are that good but they are fun.
lol, no and I never expected anyone to. I did break down and purchase one for super cheap. I use an adapter and a 3rd party joystick. If it wasn't for the terrible controllers the 5200 could have been a success.
I'm actualy looking to buy some old 8bit computers. I want to get either an Atari ST or 800 and a Commodore 128 or at the very least a 64.
When i was growing up the computer we had was a Tandy 1000. It was a very popular IBM clone. It sucked. I'd love to see what I was missing on the 8bit side of computing.
The ST was 16 bit! Top system but, well, you had to be there when it was in it's prime really. This was Atari's real successor to the 2600 if you ask me, it just allowed you to tinker with it and make your own games.
Never played one, never even seen one. I've heard of it before and I've read about it, but I couldn't tell you what it's worth. It's not much of a system and it doesn't have many games so even if it's rare it might not be worth much. On the other hand if it's rare enough it could be quite the collectors item, but only to specialty collectors.
I'm saving that for a "Gameboy Alternatives" episode. These two episodes were just about Atari home consoles. I didn't talk about Atari's handhelds, computers, or arcade hardware. Atari did have home Pong machines but I decided to start with the 2600.
The big difference between the death of Atari and Sega leaving hardware: as Atari died the hardware got bad and the games got worse, but Sega's last console, the Dreamcast, was an amazing machine with great games.
Sega leaving the hardware market isn't like the self destructive business mistakes Atari made. Sega did everything right with the Dreamcast yet gamers ignored it for the hype of the PS2.
I'm still in the market for a 5200, but I don't want to pay much for it. The 5200 doesn't have many games, and almost all the good ones were on the Coleco, IntV, and 7800. Right now it's a hassle that unless I can find it super cheap I'm not going to bother.
The Virtual Boy is a much more interesting piece of hardware, but owning it is more of a novelty.
You know the Atari 5200 controller is easy to fix, all you have to do is gentley rub the buttons with an eraser to get rid of a carbon build up in the buttons that builds up over time. If you want to never deal with this then all you have to do is buy a new gold flex circuit.The controller works fine and mine hasn't broken yet and I play my 5200 almost every day and I've had mine for about two weeks.
I just got a 5200 and it is pretty good system. It has alot of great arcade ports and it has better audio then most 7800 games, I think you should get one, just make sure to get re-built controllers(with a gold flex circuit if you want) or clean out the buttons every so often. The joysticks work fine,
The Atari Panther never finished development, they scraped it for the Jaguar. I left the Lynx out, because this was a video about Atari as a video game console maker. Atari also had a line of home computers that I didn't detail because they aren't home consoles either. The Lynx was a handheld and I will be doing a video on it in the near future. For this video I wanted to talk about how great Atari was and why the lost the console market to Nintendo and Sega.
I got to try the 5200, and it was actually pretty good. With an overhauled controller it works fine, and the games aren't half bad. Also I just got a 7800 and it is awsome. Except that the controllers I got with it feel worn out because they don't make a clicking noise when you push the joystick that I heard on better joystick of the 7800 where I tried the 5200. Also they sometimes take a few tries to get moving, but it's okay since I got a set of new overhauled ones with boxes for 40 bucks
the only reason it failed was because the controllers that came with broke to easily. But using better parts today an overhauled joystick will work fine for quite some time, the joystick I used with the 5200 where I tried it was at a show where it was in a muesum where you could play it, and it survived two days of being played every few minutes
The controllers were a big problem, but people wouldn't have known about it. No internet to spread the news. I don't think word of mouth killed the 5200.
When the 5200 came out the 2600 was still selling & cheaper, the Intellevision was a big success, and the Colecovision was better.
The 5200's small library were rehashes of games the 2600 and the other systems already had. They looked nicer but back then people weren't used to upgrading & didn't want to buy a new system for the same games.
Only two games for the Jaguar were worth owning, and i owned both
Alien VS Predator (Thats right it was on the Jaguar looong before any other console dreamt of it, and it was a great game. It uses spirtes and 3D, but if you look so did the alien Trilogy for PSX) Then Army, other then those two..yeah thats it for the jaguar. (Jaguar CD sucked so much I threw it out a five story window almost a week after I bought it. NOT kidding.)
The 5200 is basically an XE computer in a console case (and leashed to those awful controllers). If you want to play the 5200 games, (many of which are pretty good) get an XE instead.
anyone know speciffically what 2600 games don't work with the 7800 wether the problem be with the software of the fact the cartridge can't fit in the narrow cartridge slot on the 7800. Also is the 7800 worth it? When it's library mainly consists of updated versions of games on the 2600
They are much more than updates. They are much more like arcade ports than updates from 2600. Also the original 7800 games are pretty impressive in their own right.
As for 2600 games in the 7800 that don't work, I haven't found any. Buck Rogers's graphics were all screwy, but I haven't had time to test it in my 2600 to see if the cart itself is damaged. Search online, there may be a compatibility list.
All my games work for it, and I had a lot. The only problem I ran into was that some of the very old Atari brand games had a blockage in the carts. Apparently the blockage pushed upwards when inserted into any 2600 or VCS system, but the 7800 doesn't do this. What I usually did then was to use a screwdriver or pen to unlatch the block, push it up manually, & then squeeze the front & back to hold the block up in the cart so I could insert it into the 7800. Hard to explain, but it worked.
K thanks. The bloackage you sepak of is the dust cover that is on the cartridge, that comes into the cartridge from two pins on the 2600 cartridge slot. The pins on the cartridge also open up the 2600 dust cover. I thought I had heard stories that some 3rd party games couldn't ft, I would guesse that the ones that wouldn't fit are those double ended cartridges and the Arcadia supercharger
That's partially correct, but it does include at least one 64bit RISC processor, but the graphics chip is 32bit. Look it up on Wikipedia for the complete hardware features.
Before my breakin I hade a Jaguar and Jaguar CD attachment. I honestly miss it...oh don't get me wrong many of the games sucked and lost some of the cards but loved the Beast Football (can't rember the name, reminded me of Warhammers Blood Bowl) and AVP. The AVP was actually a lot of fun. I can't find a working model anymore sadly.
You know. I'm a Big sega fan too. i Grew up playing the Genesis even during the Playstation 1 era. When the Playstation 2 came if i had the choice of buying either an Xbox, Playstation 2, Gamecube or Dreamcast. i would have picked the Dreamcast really. but now i'm diffrent. I pick game systems that are good and not by companys i know and love. i mean i always hated microsoft but you got to admit the Xbox 360 is awesome.
That wasn't the problem with it. The controller's internal hardware was fragile and easily broken. Hardwiring it would just mean you replacement would be hard. The Nintendo Famicom's controllers where hardwired, but I always preferred the NES's plug in style.
I actually play most of my Atari 2600 and 7800 games with my Sega Master System controller.
As for the Jaguar CD add on, no I don't have it. I will eventually, but only for collecting purposes since very few games are worth owning for it.
I wouldn't say the 5200 was THAT bad, if they kept the controller ports as 9-pin connections, than you could just plug in an older 2600 controller and that would have been fine.
True, but that's not the only reason it failed. The 2600 was smaller, cheaper, and the 5200 only had slightly better graphics. It was too big, too expensive, and people were not used to upgrading to new consoles. It also didn't have all that many games worth replacing your 2600 for. Atari made a lot of mistakes, but as a collector it's deffinitly worth owning. So long as you have an alternative to the stock controller.
I don't hate either. The Jaguar was a revolutionary system, but Atari released the Jaguar to market far too late. It was meant to compete against the Genesis and SNES, not the 32/64 bit systems. For example: Jaguar Doom is far superior to both SNES and 32X Doom. Yeah it was ugly, it's controller was pretty dumb, but the the Jaguar was really the last nail in the coffin that the 5200 started building and the 7800 couldn't demolish.
Atari focused too much on their home computers when they should have put more effort into their consoles. Both are worth owning as a collector, but neither was worth owning when they original came out.
Well, Atari never meant for the Jaguar to compete with the Sega Saturn/Playstation/N64. If it wasn't delayed and had been released against it's intended rivals the Genesis/SNES it would have been much more competitive hardware. Who knows if it would have been popular, but it would have been the most powerful system at the time.
According to the Atari 2600 article on Wikipedia it uses a MOS Technology 6507 processor. The 6507 is an 8-bit processor. The name of my show is 2-Bit Gaming and it refers to me giving my two cents, (thoughts and opinions) on various video game subjects. I hope that clears things up.
lol i have a 5200 and a 7800. The 5200 is really not all too bad once you get past the crappy hardware. I got some third-party controllers, and it actually is pretty fun to play. The 7800 is amazing though because I use it to play 2600 games and Pole Position II (my favorite game on the console). Jaguar just sucked though.
The few 5200 games I played didn't really blow my mind, but the system itself was a much more powerful console. I still think the 7800 is the best way to go.
The first commercial video game console was the Magnavox Odyssey. It was basically a pong machine with color screen overlays and a jumper system to change between variations of pong. The Atari 2600 came years later and was a much more versatile machine.
By the way those controllers do work, if your having trouble with them you can go on ebay and search atari 5200 wico. make sure you get the Y cable and your set. Thats all you need to perfect your play on the 5200.
Good point, after market alternatives do exist to improve usability. I've even seen a tutorial on how to fix the 5200 controllers. It's too bad when the system came out it shipped with such an easily broken controller.
hey kainkusanagi i have a atari 5200 and i think its a amazing console. I mean the graphics totally beat the 2600's and the games run better. i do believe the 2600 is better in some way with their massive library of games, but i have to disagree with you on the atari 5200 being bad. It isn't bad at all. Look at pacman on the 2600 terrible graphics,gameplay and ghosts looked like shit, as on the 5200 well lets just say its 10 times better. I loved your video, i do think the 7800 beats the nes.
I'm glad you like the system. Like most gaming consoles the 5200 has some excellent games, and you are right about it being more powerful than the 2600. But Atari made a ton of mistakes with the machine that caused it to be a huge failure. It lacked backward compatibility, it had an overly complex and fragile controller, and it was just way too large, to name a few of it's problems. As collector I plan on getting one, but it will never be remember as one of the great consoles.
I don't really know, but it may have been through a loop hole that allowed companies to port to the Atari even if they had a 2 year deal with Nintendo. If a company had the rights to Mario Bros for the arcade, before the NES came out, they may have been able to port the arcade version without infringing on the NES license holder which I assume was Nintendo.
It's weird, but a lot got around Nintendo's strict license agreement like Mario Bros Double Dragon and Rampage, all of which I own.
Thanks, I try to keep it short and not waste anyone's time. On the internet people's attention spans shrink to A.D.D levels. Well mine does anyway, ;)
I love older games, even the pong systems like the Odyssey's are great! Yet the road that atari went down after they were sold to the warner company still gives me a bad taste in my mouth everytime I play some of their games. After the NES took the market, atari stool from Nintendo and then tried to sue them (long story, but agood one, because they lost!). Their business ethics are as bad as their 2600 port of Pacman...
Yep, they made even more mistakes than what I talked about. I focused on their game consoles, they also screwed up in the hand held and computer markets.
Atari didn't make the 7800 around the time of the NES. After the video game crash in 1983, no consoles were released, thus the already made 7800 was never released and atari focused on their computer systems like the Atari 8-bit and the Atari ST. Atari's CEO never even thought about Video games until the NES came out. They quickly took there 3 to 4 year old 7800 system off the shelf hoping for a come back. Compared to the NES and the master system, the 7800 sucked.
You're right. For this video I was only talking about Atari as a console maker, so I left out their personal computer line and the disaster of the Lynx handheld system. The story of Atari is too big to do everything, at least for my short format show.
Youtube just added the feature it's called "Annotations" and you can add them to any video you upload by click on the "Add Video Annotations" button next to your video.
Good vid. The 7800 is actually pretty good hardware, capable of NES level games in the right hands. Atari just never had much good software for the 7800. Ditto with the Jaguar... it's capable of much more visually impressive games than we ever got to see.
Yeah, I should have mentioned Rayman for the Jaguar. If Atari had released the system sooner it could have been a hit next to the genesis and snes, at least until the playstation came out.
I luld @ the 2 bits comments. Good lunch break watching!
xophelorak 1 month ago
how come you didn't talk about the 2600 jr.?
musicianbass076 1 month ago
@musicianbass076 The 2600 Jr was just a redesign. It was still a 2600. There was also a Tele-Games version, a black "Vader" version, as well as several minor revisions such as the 4-Switcher and Lite Sixer.
kainkusanagi 1 month ago
Should I get the 5200 or 7800 (5200-2 working controllers, all hookups, some games 7800-a game, two working controllers, and all hookups) also I have alot of 2600 games, but no 2600.
cabsk8er7 2 months ago
@cabsk8er7 I'd go with the 7800. It's backwards compatible with 2600 games so you'll have tons to choose from. The 5200 is slightly more advances, but there aren't all that many games for it compared to the 2600 and 7800.
kainkusanagi 2 months ago
I liked the Jaguar, but the controller was bad. then again Atari improved it with the 6 button pad & the games started to get better but only at the end of the systems life I.E. Capcom's Street Fighter 2. Sam Tramiel didn't know what he was doing. originally Atari was going to make it a CD system which would've been better but someone decided selling the CD as an addon was more profitable. but the carts high cost & Tramiel bad management & Atari cutting corners on making the Jag doomed it.
bbhgootube 6 months ago
@bbhgootube For sure. And it was delayed far too long. If it had been released when it was supposed to it would have been the most powerful system on the market. But they waited too long and it ended up looking outdated in comparison to the Saturn, Playstation, and N64.
kainkusanagi 6 months ago
the american 7800 controller is bad. very bad. i really dissagree with you at that point :D
but hey, the european 7800 controller is pretty cool, it utiises a dpad and a NES kind of layout.
0M9H4X 1 year ago
i heard that the controller of the 5200 was designed by someone who literly never played a videogame in hes entire life. a litle sad, the 5200 was a powerfull system for its time.
darockstardude 1 year ago
@darockstardude I have one now, and it was a powerful system. But the controller wasn't the only thing holding it back. The games were all just better versions of the same games the 2600 had, which is why the probably didn't want to put in backwards compatibility. It could have been a success if Atari had replaced the controllers and put as much effort into the software as they did when they were pushing the 2600.
kainkusanagi 1 year ago
@kainkusanagi ow, right. i forgot the games and backward compatibility.
o well. keep making good vids :)
darockstardude 1 year ago
Rampage has grown so damn much, the franchise is huge
klaridon 1 year ago
do a review on the magnavox odyssey!
Elijahbabyluigifan 1 year ago
When you are going to come back with 2-bit gaming..the show rocks.
sonicblast19 1 year ago
MORE BITS MEANS MORE BUTTONS!!
TheCGIMaster 1 year ago 5
YESSS! why can i not play ps2 games on my ps3?!?!?!?!?!
inuyasha5114 1 year ago
BEST YOU'RE THE
put that in order
carlcheryl 1 year ago
Atari Lynx???
carlcheryl 1 year ago
@carlcheryl This is just about Atari's main consoles. That's why I didn't talk about their computers, handhelds, and other electronics. I will be doing an entire episode about the Atari Lynx in the future as well as an episode on early computers such as the Atari 8bit computers.
kainkusanagi 1 year ago
@kainkusanagi Hopefully AVGN will make a video review of the lynx too ; )
carlcheryl 1 year ago
The Atari 5200 would have been the best system before the nintendo if the controllers worked. It comes closest to the arcade for all of there games. The only game I like for the Jaguar is Wolfenstein 3-D.
MasterKanaar 1 year ago
i just wanted to point out tht the jaguar was indeed a 64 bit system. Sure it didn't look it but it was. It had a 32 bit graphics processer and a 32 bit sound card. 32 + 32 = 64 The 32 bit graphics were only on a par with sega's 32x add-on. Just wanted to point that out.
kapeesh67 1 year ago
Actually the Jag had a 64bit Object Processor as well as a 64bit co-processor, but it's Graphics processor was only 32bit.
You can't really add up the bits of multiple processors. You don't really even need to to argue the Jag was indeed 64bit. But it wasn't 64bit were it counts.
Look at the Nintendo 64. Both its CPU and Co-Processor are true 64bit chips. There's no 32 bottleneck anywhere.
At best the Jag was a hybrid of 32/64bit while the Nintendo 64 was actually 64bit throughout.
kainkusanagi 1 year ago 7
@kainkusanagi The Jaguar was meant to run most of its demanding code through that object processor as like a gpgpu and put little load on the CPU, like a lot of modern servers do these days. Developers didnt like that idea and between that bad memory controller on the cpu and documentation the games suffered. The Saturn had that trouble with no one wanting to use both CPUs in parallel and the N64 being mostly used in its 32 bit mode. Lazy programming crippled them each.
AxiomofDiscord 1 year ago
@kainkusanagi
But the N64's CPU only had a 32-bit wide external bus and thus can really only be considered 32-bit.
Alevamltd 5 months ago
@Alevamltd The CPU and GPU were 64bit in the N64. Sure it had a 32bit bus, but the chips themselves are 64bit and to me that lets Nintendo call it a 64bit machine.
If I run a 32bit version of Windows on a 64bit CPU it's still a 64bit machine. The same can be said of the N64. The N64's CPU was 64bit, but most devs just ran in 32bit mode. The limited bus may have been the main reason for it, but either way the CPU was 64bit and that's good enough for me.
kainkusanagi 5 months ago
2:41 the answer is... today's games are much more complicated.
gctechs 1 year ago
I have a 2600 and also a 5200 from atari, and own pretty much all of the good vintage consoles and id have to say that the atari 5200 is my favorite system. If you actually would take the time to go on ebay or other atari sites to buy 3rd party controllers like i had done then the system would be playable. Its a blast once you get your new controllers. Look up atari 5200 rebuilt controllers or atari wico. Not hard and stop ripping on atari. They basicly started videogames. Jerk
dudebutt67 2 years ago
lol, I love Atari. You can tell if you watch Part 1 or listen to my ending points. This video is about the mistakes they made that caused them to fall from grace.
As for the 5200. I have a two port model with after market controllers. It's a decent system, but it shipped with such flawed joysticks people returned it to stores. That's a huge failure.
As a collector's item it's cool, even if almost all it's games are ports and updates. But there was no reason to buy the thing when it came out.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
Poor Atari, now it's just a publisher ;(
raikiriboss 2 years ago
Even though the 7800 failed its still the best Atari system
JOESONYNERD 2 years ago
Yep, it pays both 2600 classics and kick ass 7800 games, even if they are few.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
MORE BITS MEANS MORE BUTTONS! lol
TheCGIMaster 2 years ago
I bought the 7800 a few months ago and gotta confess I really like the machine, shame I never owned one as a kid, but I stand by my choice of getting a Master System.
But Namco Bandai might be getting Atari's name quite soon did ye know? In fact they already "technically" own it in Europe now as they've sort of merged here.
ScrewAttackEurope 2 years ago
I'm very well aware that the Jaguar is notorious for being difficult to program, but I've also heard it has a cult coder following that develops games for it -- have you tried to code for it kainkusanagi? How hard is it really to utilize all the performance of this machine and keep the pipeline from stalling?
As someone who likes assembly (x86) programming myself I think it would be rather fun to code for such an exotic machine.
getpagesize 2 years ago
From what I understand the Jaguar was a challenge to code on. I don't program much myself, so if you do give it a try tell me how it goes.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
Two words. Good Luck
randompersonn1 2 years ago
I'm rather curious why they even opted for 64-bit on the Jaguar, how often do you really benefit from 64-bit ALU functionality on the kind of games the Jaguar would entail? I mean, sure it might help sometimes, but it costs more to make; and please don't tell me it uses 64-bit pointers too on this arch.
From looking at the specs of the Jaguar it would be pretty interesting to know the actual theoretical MIPS/FLOPS on it vs. the Playstation, Whetstone/Dhrystone or equivalent performance.
getpagesize 2 years ago
Two problems with your presentation:
1. Among the best games for the 7800, you didn't list robotron 2084?.... Unforgivable!!
2. On top of that, you didn't mention Atari's ultimate console blunder of the late 80s.
coolcoldbro 2 years ago
These are not "problems" with his presentation, this is called nitpicking.
getpagesize 2 years ago
To mention Choplifter as a standout title for the 7800 is like mentioning lettuce as one of the best ingredients of a Big Mac. Other than that, do you even know what blunder I am referring to for #2?.
coolcoldbro 2 years ago
Why did you forget the Lynx or the Jaguar CD or the Atari Computers
JOESONYNERD 2 years ago
I didn't forget any of it. This was about the consoles, not handhelds or computers. I'll be doing a whole episode in the future on 8bit computers and the Lynx is going to get a episode too for my Gameboy Alternatives ongoing series. The Game Gear is next though. As for the Jaguar CD, that's not a system, it's an add on and a minor detail in my opinion. If I talked about every aspect of Atari it would probably end up as long as a feature film and I wanted to keep it down to a couple vids.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
Could you do a vid on th Rise and Fall of Sega
JOESONYNERD 2 years ago
It wouldn't be the same as Atari becuase Sega always made quality hardware and backed it up with quality games.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
Hey,
you didn't mention the Atari Lynx?
:)
RomeoGoesRetro 2 years ago
Yeah I left it out because it's a hand held. I left out the Atari computers too.
I'm going to do the Lynx in it's own video as a Gameboy Alternative and do a video on old computers including the Atari 8 bit line.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
I didn't even know Atari made home computers! Shows how much I need to watch that video when its done!!
Thanks
:)
RomeoGoesRetro 2 years ago
What's the difference between a 2600 and a 2600 Junior?
HaruhiIzumi 2 years ago
They are functionly identicle but look different. The Junior looks more like a small 5200 or 7800, but it works the same and plays the same games as a regular 2600.
They are newer than most regular 2600 so they might last longer without problems, but other than that it really just comes down to personal preferences.
I like the original because it's what I had as a kid. The Junior is a nice machine though.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
how did u get all these systems and games? i wanna know cuz one day a want to own a basement full of classic systems and games
porkchop7171 2 years ago
Many years and plenty of used store finds.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
ATARI LYNX
09PumpkinSpice90 2 years ago
I'm going to give the Lynx it's own episode, this was just about the company as a home console maker. In addition to a portable episode I'm planing to do a Atari Computer episode as well.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
also wenu talk about the halfassed conslose in this generation just sayin is only the ps3cuz 360is bacwardscompatible im just u have any other reasons tell me
tdiman46 2 years ago
I don't think the 360 and PS3 are half assed, but I do think their backward compatibility is. Instead of all PS3 playing PS2 and PS1 games, only certain models do. The 360 is only backwards compatible with select Xbox games. Unlike the Wii which plays all Gamecube games.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
I now live my Atari games though two of the best Pick Up and Play series, the Atari Pick up and Play and also the Activision Pick up and play that have 10 (or 20) of the great games from the Atari 2600.
Sadly there were allot of other great games that I had on my older Atari 2600 Junior that I can't play anymore because of what I already said in my last comment.
TBoneTony 2 years ago
I do have an Atari, but the 2600 Junior version. The controllers I had were more like the 7800 controllers, There was also a 2600 controller that looked allot like an NES pad, but it breaks easy after a few years of playing.
I hardly play my 2600 Junior now since I can't even play it on the already broken controllers I thought were cool at the time.
I should have got the original Joystick as I heard it lasts longer even till this day.
TBoneTony 2 years ago
If you have any Mega Drive (Genesis) or Sega Master System controllers lying around you can plug one in and play your Atari.
I prefer it to the joysticks personally. Seems to work with most games, I've never had a problem.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
i no and also the commodore, 7800, and Coleco controllers also work. Isn't that amazing
tdiman46 2 years ago
The Sega ones are the best if you prefer a D-Pad like I do. Berzerk and Robotron are two of the few games I only like to use joysticks with For the rest it's all about the Sega pads.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
What a sad way for Atari to go. It had such potential when it came out. It's just sad it had to end this way.
LBTUploader 2 years ago
lol avgn rocks
vesves12 2 years ago
I remember when the Jag came out, that was back in the wake of the bit wars. Back then I remember the top three crappy looking consoles on the market was the Jaguar, the 3DO, and the Philips CD-i. Neither of which really really tempted me. I took one look at the Jaguar's controller and was like "Um, no."
JonnyAMax 2 years ago 2
I once owned a Jaguar and thought that it was pretty good but probably because I only own five games for the system: Atari Karts, Rayman, Tempest 2000, Raiden, and Aliens vs. Predator. Not sure if any of them are that good but they are fun.
blueswan1984 2 years ago
Tempest 2000 and Rayman are great games. AVP is decent, but I can't stand Atari Karts. Never played Raiden.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
Now that it has been over a year since you posted this video, did anyone ever give you a 5200? :P
BurnerMatch 2 years ago
lol, no and I never expected anyone to. I did break down and purchase one for super cheap. I use an adapter and a 3rd party joystick. If it wasn't for the terrible controllers the 5200 could have been a success.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
Ok... so it wasn't a complete piece of shit, then?
BurnerMatch 2 years ago
No, but I had to replace the motherboard and use an after market controller.
Most of the games are available on the 2600. The 5200 versions look better though. It's more powerful than the Colecovision, but not by much.
If I wasn't a collector I wouldn't' have a reason to own one.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
I think he should do a show on the atari 400 or 800 because they had some good games
Kilroy456 2 years ago
I'm actualy looking to buy some old 8bit computers. I want to get either an Atari ST or 800 and a Commodore 128 or at the very least a 64.
When i was growing up the computer we had was a Tandy 1000. It was a very popular IBM clone. It sucked. I'd love to see what I was missing on the 8bit side of computing.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
The ST was 16 bit! Top system but, well, you had to be there when it was in it's prime really. This was Atari's real successor to the 2600 if you ask me, it just allowed you to tinker with it and make your own games.
xenepp 2 years ago
Ever played the Watara Supervision? I found one in my attic and I have no idea how much its worth.
Flailwielder 2 years ago
Never played one, never even seen one. I've heard of it before and I've read about it, but I couldn't tell you what it's worth. It's not much of a system and it doesn't have many games so even if it's rare it might not be worth much. On the other hand if it's rare enough it could be quite the collectors item, but only to specialty collectors.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i think its the sillyest thing on u tube and ure only getin viwers because its stupid but catches peoples attention
SuperStbrown 2 years ago
you missed the lynx!
officialmashitup 2 years ago
I'm saving that for a "Gameboy Alternatives" episode. These two episodes were just about Atari home consoles. I didn't talk about Atari's handhelds, computers, or arcade hardware. Atari did have home Pong machines but I decided to start with the 2600.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
could you do a topic like this but for sega
kyle2082 2 years ago
I plan too.
The big difference between the death of Atari and Sega leaving hardware: as Atari died the hardware got bad and the games got worse, but Sega's last console, the Dreamcast, was an amazing machine with great games.
Sega leaving the hardware market isn't like the self destructive business mistakes Atari made. Sega did everything right with the Dreamcast yet gamers ignored it for the hype of the PS2.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
i love the gaqmeboy coler
xrp1 2 years ago
You have to admit the Jaguar controller is comfortable to hold at least.
EasyGoProducts 2 years ago
That's about all it has going for it.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
Wait, you have a Virtual Boy in BOX but you do not have a 5200? I'm not saying either console is good or bad because I've never played them.
EasyGoProducts 2 years ago
I'm still in the market for a 5200, but I don't want to pay much for it. The 5200 doesn't have many games, and almost all the good ones were on the Coleco, IntV, and 7800. Right now it's a hassle that unless I can find it super cheap I'm not going to bother.
The Virtual Boy is a much more interesting piece of hardware, but owning it is more of a novelty.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
And you don't have to buy a trillion controllers just to find one that is working on the Virtual Boy.
TooSlowGamer 2 years ago
You know the Atari 5200 controller is easy to fix, all you have to do is gentley rub the buttons with an eraser to get rid of a carbon build up in the buttons that builds up over time. If you want to never deal with this then all you have to do is buy a new gold flex circuit.The controller works fine and mine hasn't broken yet and I play my 5200 almost every day and I've had mine for about two weeks.
Videogamehistorian00 2 years ago 2
I just got a 5200 and it is pretty good system. It has alot of great arcade ports and it has better audio then most 7800 games, I think you should get one, just make sure to get re-built controllers(with a gold flex circuit if you want) or clean out the buttons every so often. The joysticks work fine,
Videogamehistorian00 2 years ago
Excuse me Mr. Kevin Berryman but why didn't you said anything about the Atari Lynx?
plamgogbg 2 years ago
This was just about Atari as a console maker and the Lynx was a handheld. Don't worry I'll be doing a video on it as an Alternative to the Gameboy.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
"More Bits Means More Buttons!"
Quote For Life!
Dakclaw 2 years ago
it was too expensive to make the ps3 backwardscomp if they did it would still be 600 dollars
nakedshoes 2 years ago
why didnt you mention atari lynx or panther
gunsnrosesharrison 2 years ago
The Atari Panther never finished development, they scraped it for the Jaguar. I left the Lynx out, because this was a video about Atari as a video game console maker. Atari also had a line of home computers that I didn't detail because they aren't home consoles either. The Lynx was a handheld and I will be doing a video on it in the near future. For this video I wanted to talk about how great Atari was and why the lost the console market to Nintendo and Sega.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
I got to try the 5200, and it was actually pretty good. With an overhauled controller it works fine, and the games aren't half bad. Also I just got a 7800 and it is awsome. Except that the controllers I got with it feel worn out because they don't make a clicking noise when you push the joystick that I heard on better joystick of the 7800 where I tried the 5200. Also they sometimes take a few tries to get moving, but it's okay since I got a set of new overhauled ones with boxes for 40 bucks
Videogamehistorian00 2 years ago
the only reason it failed was because the controllers that came with broke to easily. But using better parts today an overhauled joystick will work fine for quite some time, the joystick I used with the 5200 where I tried it was at a show where it was in a muesum where you could play it, and it survived two days of being played every few minutes
Videogamehistorian00 2 years ago
The controllers were a big problem, but people wouldn't have known about it. No internet to spread the news. I don't think word of mouth killed the 5200.
When the 5200 came out the 2600 was still selling & cheaper, the Intellevision was a big success, and the Colecovision was better.
The 5200's small library were rehashes of games the 2600 and the other systems already had. They looked nicer but back then people weren't used to upgrading & didn't want to buy a new system for the same games.
kainkusanagi 2 years ago
Only two games for the Jaguar were worth owning, and i owned both
Alien VS Predator (Thats right it was on the Jaguar looong before any other console dreamt of it, and it was a great game. It uses spirtes and 3D, but if you look so did the alien Trilogy for PSX) Then Army, other then those two..yeah thats it for the jaguar. (Jaguar CD sucked so much I threw it out a five story window almost a week after I bought it. NOT kidding.)
TheGnomeLocker 3 years ago
What about Tempest 2000, DOOM, and Wolfenstein 3D.
ufcrulez582 2 years ago
You mean games that played better on the PC? lol
TheGnomeLocker 2 years ago
The 5200 is basically an XE computer in a console case (and leashed to those awful controllers). If you want to play the 5200 games, (many of which are pretty good) get an XE instead.
guyvf 3 years ago
no atari lynx
dde12321 3 years ago
This was just about the Atari consoles. I'll be doing separate videos for Atari computers and the Lynx.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
5200+jaguar=maximum suckage
OWNGEMASTER1993 3 years ago
i first saw the jaguar on extended play now xplay.
RAQ665 3 years ago
i want a 5200
Melliw8882 3 years ago
Yeah me too, but I don't want to pay for one. It has very few games and most came out for the 7800.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
Don't forget the controllers. Third party replacements can cost up to $70 bucks for a joystick and keypad.
Videogamehistorian00 3 years ago
anyone know speciffically what 2600 games don't work with the 7800 wether the problem be with the software of the fact the cartridge can't fit in the narrow cartridge slot on the 7800. Also is the 7800 worth it? When it's library mainly consists of updated versions of games on the 2600
Videogamehistorian00 3 years ago
They are much more than updates. They are much more like arcade ports than updates from 2600. Also the original 7800 games are pretty impressive in their own right.
As for 2600 games in the 7800 that don't work, I haven't found any. Buck Rogers's graphics were all screwy, but I haven't had time to test it in my 2600 to see if the cart itself is damaged. Search online, there may be a compatibility list.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
all right thanks
Videogamehistorian00 3 years ago
All my games work for it, and I had a lot. The only problem I ran into was that some of the very old Atari brand games had a blockage in the carts. Apparently the blockage pushed upwards when inserted into any 2600 or VCS system, but the 7800 doesn't do this. What I usually did then was to use a screwdriver or pen to unlatch the block, push it up manually, & then squeeze the front & back to hold the block up in the cart so I could insert it into the 7800. Hard to explain, but it worked.
AlucardsQuest 3 years ago
K thanks. The bloackage you sepak of is the dust cover that is on the cartridge, that comes into the cartridge from two pins on the 2600 cartridge slot. The pins on the cartridge also open up the 2600 dust cover. I thought I had heard stories that some 3rd party games couldn't ft, I would guesse that the ones that wouldn't fit are those double ended cartridges and the Arcadia supercharger
Videogamehistorian00 3 years ago
I've noticed that some Activision titles won't play on my 7800.
Rickstilwell1 3 years ago
i wonder what the nintendo 64 bit console was hmmm lol
mysteriosupafan 3 years ago
Wow, BallBlazer.
I used to play that at my grandma's house.
Awesome dude. o_o"
Siroopjhe 3 years ago
I heard that the Jaguar didn't have a 64 Bit processor but instead it had two 32 Bit processors.
Levus28 3 years ago
That's partially correct, but it does include at least one 64bit RISC processor, but the graphics chip is 32bit. Look it up on Wikipedia for the complete hardware features.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
thats true. The jaguar was a 32 bit system but because it had two 32 bit processors they could call it 64 bit
Videogamehistorian00 3 years ago
Before my breakin I hade a Jaguar and Jaguar CD attachment. I honestly miss it...oh don't get me wrong many of the games sucked and lost some of the cards but loved the Beast Football (can't rember the name, reminded me of Warhammers Blood Bowl) and AVP. The AVP was actually a lot of fun. I can't find a working model anymore sadly.
Shirotora1979 3 years ago
I saw Alien VS Predator, is that for any other systems?
xgamer3000 3 years ago
Nope, this version of AvP was only released for the doomed Jaguar, too bad too because it was decent.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
Very good^^
Galva313 3 years ago
Cool show dude, Have you any videos on the Dreamcast?
barrysbaps01 3 years ago
Thanks. I will be doing Dreamcast vids, you can count on it. I'm a big Sega fan so you can be sure I'll do shows on many Sega products.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
You know. I'm a Big sega fan too. i Grew up playing the Genesis even during the Playstation 1 era. When the Playstation 2 came if i had the choice of buying either an Xbox, Playstation 2, Gamecube or Dreamcast. i would have picked the Dreamcast really. but now i'm diffrent. I pick game systems that are good and not by companys i know and love. i mean i always hated microsoft but you got to admit the Xbox 360 is awesome.
katcode 3 years ago
ILL TAKE YOUR JAG
Melliw8882 3 years ago
lol, I may rag on it, but it's part of my collection and I could never let it go. ;)
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
A superb video; intelligent, well-informed and entertaining! Keep up the good work.
YouCanBumAnyone 3 years ago 4
MORE BITS MEANS MORE BUTTONS!!!
seanwtfgamer 3 years ago 5
That wasn't the problem with it. The controller's internal hardware was fragile and easily broken. Hardwiring it would just mean you replacement would be hard. The Nintendo Famicom's controllers where hardwired, but I always preferred the NES's plug in style.
I actually play most of my Atari 2600 and 7800 games with my Sega Master System controller.
As for the Jaguar CD add on, no I don't have it. I will eventually, but only for collecting purposes since very few games are worth owning for it.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
I wouldn't say the 5200 was THAT bad, if they kept the controller ports as 9-pin connections, than you could just plug in an older 2600 controller and that would have been fine.
DeanoTheLegend87 3 years ago
True, but that's not the only reason it failed. The 2600 was smaller, cheaper, and the 5200 only had slightly better graphics. It was too big, too expensive, and people were not used to upgrading to new consoles. It also didn't have all that many games worth replacing your 2600 for. Atari made a lot of mistakes, but as a collector it's deffinitly worth owning. So long as you have an alternative to the stock controller.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
Okay, but i wouldn't say the 5200 was worse than the Jaguar, i mean the 5200's controller was bad by accident.
DeanoTheLegend87 3 years ago
I don't hate either. The Jaguar was a revolutionary system, but Atari released the Jaguar to market far too late. It was meant to compete against the Genesis and SNES, not the 32/64 bit systems. For example: Jaguar Doom is far superior to both SNES and 32X Doom. Yeah it was ugly, it's controller was pretty dumb, but the the Jaguar was really the last nail in the coffin that the 5200 started building and the 7800 couldn't demolish.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
Atari focused too much on their home computers when they should have put more effort into their consoles. Both are worth owning as a collector, but neither was worth owning when they original came out.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
I just had a thought.
What if the 5200's controller's were hard-wired into the system.
And yes, the Jag's version of Doom was an almost perfect port.
Do you have the Jaguar CD system?
DeanoTheLegend87 3 years ago
hmm so if they had released it around snes time it would of been popular right?but since they realeased it at playstation time it sucked
janiebug53 3 years ago
Well, Atari never meant for the Jaguar to compete with the Sega Saturn/Playstation/N64. If it wasn't delayed and had been released against it's intended rivals the Genesis/SNES it would have been much more competitive hardware. Who knows if it would have been popular, but it would have been the most powerful system at the time.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
I really like your 2-bit gaming Keep up the GREAT WORK!!!! Subsribed
Chatetris 3 years ago
Was The Atari 2600 really 2 Bit?
Tyson201212 3 years ago
According to the Atari 2600 article on Wikipedia it uses a MOS Technology 6507 processor. The 6507 is an 8-bit processor. The name of my show is 2-Bit Gaming and it refers to me giving my two cents, (thoughts and opinions) on various video game subjects. I hope that clears things up.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
more bits means more buttons!!!
thenintendogamer 3 years ago
Super Mario All-Stars for SNES has Mario Bros on it, on Super Mario 3. And, haha, MORE BITS MEANS MORE BUTTONS AAAAAAAH
DDRpwnerer 3 years ago
lol i have a 5200 and a 7800. The 5200 is really not all too bad once you get past the crappy hardware. I got some third-party controllers, and it actually is pretty fun to play. The 7800 is amazing though because I use it to play 2600 games and Pole Position II (my favorite game on the console). Jaguar just sucked though.
Deadeye50000 3 years ago
The few 5200 games I played didn't really blow my mind, but the system itself was a much more powerful console. I still think the 7800 is the best way to go.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
yeah you can't go wrong with the 7800
TheDarryl50 3 years ago
i always wondered, what was the first game system
GoldenValorForm 3 years ago
The first commercial video game console was the Magnavox Odyssey. It was basically a pong machine with color screen overlays and a jumper system to change between variations of pong. The Atari 2600 came years later and was a much more versatile machine.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
MORE BITS MEANS MORE BUTTONS.
MJC312 3 years ago
By the way those controllers do work, if your having trouble with them you can go on ebay and search atari 5200 wico. make sure you get the Y cable and your set. Thats all you need to perfect your play on the 5200.
dudebutt67 3 years ago
Good point, after market alternatives do exist to improve usability. I've even seen a tutorial on how to fix the 5200 controllers. It's too bad when the system came out it shipped with such an easily broken controller.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
hey kainkusanagi i have a atari 5200 and i think its a amazing console. I mean the graphics totally beat the 2600's and the games run better. i do believe the 2600 is better in some way with their massive library of games, but i have to disagree with you on the atari 5200 being bad. It isn't bad at all. Look at pacman on the 2600 terrible graphics,gameplay and ghosts looked like shit, as on the 5200 well lets just say its 10 times better. I loved your video, i do think the 7800 beats the nes.
dudebutt67 3 years ago
I'm glad you like the system. Like most gaming consoles the 5200 has some excellent games, and you are right about it being more powerful than the 2600. But Atari made a ton of mistakes with the machine that caused it to be a huge failure. It lacked backward compatibility, it had an overly complex and fragile controller, and it was just way too large, to name a few of it's problems. As collector I plan on getting one, but it will never be remember as one of the great consoles.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
no you, atari 5200 is awesome. i have one
SaveTheMylar19811999 3 years ago
LOL LOL more bits more buttons so true!
lbgamer2 3 years ago
i love the,"More bits means more buttons!"part
Ldjms 3 years ago
Whoa! How did Mario Bros. Get released on the 7800 if there was already an NES port that looked almost exactly like the arcade version?
blizzvalve 3 years ago
I don't really know, but it may have been through a loop hole that allowed companies to port to the Atari even if they had a 2 year deal with Nintendo. If a company had the rights to Mario Bros for the arcade, before the NES came out, they may have been able to port the arcade version without infringing on the NES license holder which I assume was Nintendo.
It's weird, but a lot got around Nintendo's strict license agreement like Mario Bros Double Dragon and Rampage, all of which I own.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
I agree Kain. Great review, seeing that you put all you could say within 5 minutes. Keep up the good work!
inranglhood60 3 years ago
Thanks, I try to keep it short and not waste anyone's time. On the internet people's attention spans shrink to A.D.D levels. Well mine does anyway, ;)
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
I love older games, even the pong systems like the Odyssey's are great! Yet the road that atari went down after they were sold to the warner company still gives me a bad taste in my mouth everytime I play some of their games. After the NES took the market, atari stool from Nintendo and then tried to sue them (long story, but agood one, because they lost!). Their business ethics are as bad as their 2600 port of Pacman...
inranglhood60 3 years ago
Yep, they made even more mistakes than what I talked about. I focused on their game consoles, they also screwed up in the hand held and computer markets.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
Atari didn't make the 7800 around the time of the NES. After the video game crash in 1983, no consoles were released, thus the already made 7800 was never released and atari focused on their computer systems like the Atari 8-bit and the Atari ST. Atari's CEO never even thought about Video games until the NES came out. They quickly took there 3 to 4 year old 7800 system off the shelf hoping for a come back. Compared to the NES and the master system, the 7800 sucked.
inranglhood60 3 years ago
You're right. For this video I was only talking about Atari as a console maker, so I left out their personal computer line and the disaster of the Lynx handheld system. The story of Atari is too big to do everything, at least for my short format show.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
Yeah, how'd you put that link in the box or something? That was seriously AWESOME. It's like VH1 pop-up on youtube!
Chanuk 3 years ago
Youtube just added the feature it's called "Annotations" and you can add them to any video you upload by click on the "Add Video Annotations" button next to your video.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
So long as the basic gameplay is there it's a fun game on any system. Simple, but fun, and even better with a friend.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago
Good vid. The 7800 is actually pretty good hardware, capable of NES level games in the right hands. Atari just never had much good software for the 7800. Ditto with the Jaguar... it's capable of much more visually impressive games than we ever got to see.
VonRichter 3 years ago
Yeah, I should have mentioned Rayman for the Jaguar. If Atari had released the system sooner it could have been a hit next to the genesis and snes, at least until the playstation came out.
kainkusanagi 3 years ago