Antonio Salieri: Les Danaides

[southwestguy223]

I must say, this music is divine,

im pretty sure most of you could tell but, there are hints of Beethoven's first piano concerto. I wonder if Beethoven got the melody from Salieri. Not that im vilifying Ludwig. i was just wondering.

[madara435]

SALIER IS MOZART'S BEST FRIEND

[jad743ify]

i hear Beethoveen

[Tsahkratis]

I bet Salieri would be frustrated to know, that even today, all these hundreds of years later, the topic of discussion is STILL Mozart. Christ, give the dude a break!



[thewatcheroutoftime]

6:12 - A MODERNITY lacking in even Mozart's works. Impressive, I had no idea.

[julioclau]

que música tan mas hermosa

[SandrineSoprano]

@FabDN41 I am discovering him today. Glorious, touching.

[Eragongirl2]

Not mine

[TAMdeGledel]

@Eragongirl2

Vous avez tort.

Mozart fut un très bon compositeur (surtout dans les Da Ponte où les ensembles sont phénoménaux / les récitatifs sont mauvais par contre), mais en termes d'innovations musicales, il est dépassé dans l'harmonie par Grétry, Gossec, Salieri et Cherubini. Et dans l'orchestration, ces trois derniers sont aussi meilleurs. C'est un fait (partitions...).

Après que Mozart vous touche davantage, sans doute. C'est normal même, dirais-je.

[SandrineSoprano]

@TAMdeGledel Merci bcp, tres instructif. J'aime bcp Salieri, maintenant que je le decouvre.

[PalmideArtaserse]

@Eragongirl2 Stupid human being get out of here.

[Eragongirl2]

@fabDN41 maby in your opinion but

[Eragongirl2]

@fabDN41

inventions? Well besides the point their music is much different even if Mozart used these "inventions" as u put it In my humble opinion he made it much better like turning roller skates into a Ferrari

[Eragongirl2]

@fabdn41

Inventions? Their music is much different if u listen to it I even if Mozart used these "inventions" in my humble opinion he made it MUCH better

[Eragongirl2]

@tinyoak2 he wasn't a villian of course but Salieri is mediocre compared to Mozart

[MrRegwis]

C'est magnifique, je découvre Salieri depuis quelques temps et c'est musicalement exquis !

[1RexLupus]

es extraño ver que la gente se ha dejado infundir por la pelicula, pues en realidad

salieri no fue eniemigo de mozart, cierto es que tenian una rivalidad especial pero no como muestra la pelicula. A mi personalmente me gusta mas salieri puesto que las obras son menos empalagosas en notas que las de mozart que con esto no quiero decir que no sean dignas de apreciar.

[AGNELLIVS]

This is the music of Gluck ...

Salieri just wrote it down before the death of the author

and then crossed out the name of this composer ...

the style of music can be seen

[AGNELLIVS]

@AGNELLIVS

In March 1783 the Emperor wrote the Austrian ambassador in Paris, Count Mercy Argenteuil -

Composer Salieri recently wrote an opera Les Danaides , in fact dictated by (la dictee) Gluck.

[marcusdolby1]

@AGNELLIVS This is not Gluck. Dont know where you heard that but its so not rue.

[Arsamenes1]

@AGNELLIVS

It's the music of Salieri, influenced by Gluck, yes, he even recommended the libretto to Salieri but it wasn't written or dictated by Gluck. In fact, before the first performance it was announced as a work of Gluck, who was well beloved in Paris, to attract the audience, but right after the successfull premiere, Gluck announced in the newspaper Journal de Paris, that it was all written by Salieri. Even the dedication of the score to the French Queen Marie Antoinette is by Salieri.

[AGNELLIVS]

@Arsamenes1

maybe .... history is silent

[TAMdeGledel]

@Arsamenes1

Influencé par l'esthétique contemporaine, pas par Gluck. Les Boréades (1764) de Rameau, Aline (1766) de Monsigny, Ernelinde (1767) de Philidor sont déjà composées en partie dans un style classique.

Gluck n'a rien inventé, tout au plus il marque un basculement définitif, du baroque au classique.

[redbrian3655]

@AGNELLIVS It was a commission for Gluck who at this time was 69 years of age and in poor health. Salieri had been appointed as Gluck’s assistant. The performance was a huge success and Gluck was once again hailed as a musical genius. Then shortly afterwards Gluck confessed in a letter to a Paris newspaper, that the entire opera was composed by Salieri, As Gluck told the Parisians himself, he was too old and frail to attempt the commission.(from PRESTO CLASSICS)

[angleugii]

wow what is the name of that painting 3 women on 0.05 - 1.24 with water aquarius its such a beuatiful melody 

[angleugii]

wow what is the name of that painting 3 women with water versasea its so beuatiful melody

[littleswan101]

did anyone put on the De profundis of Antonia Salieri.

[Ferdinand0880]

Dedicated to Queen Marie Antoinette?

[sebacarde]

berlioz was inspired by les daniades, nina from delaytac and iphigenie en touride from gluck

[Cantormatis]

@sebacarde Don't forget the somewhat forgettable music of Cherubini and Spontini, who of course where influenced largely by Gluck. Salieri's french stuff also sounds like Gluck.

[nathanaellopez1]

im doing a project about him

[Cocapetry]

@chemicalreaper

Salieri was a genius of his time, and all of his work has a sublime, elegant aura of opulence, but in a certain way, it just evolved from the normal clasic style. Mozart on the other way, trhough his work (and you can't avoid feeling some influence from Salieri) didn't evolve from former conceptions; rather, he created his own style. In essence, Mozart was the first Rocker.

[Cantormatis]

@Cocapetry OMG you know nothing, nothing, of what the style was. Haydn was the most important composer of the day, and the most influential. Salieri was highly respected, but listening to his music now, after listening and studying Mozart and Haydn, a serious student of music is hard pressed to find it more than pleasant at best. Salieri had little if any effect on Mozart's compositional style. Mozart was highly influenced by the same composers all of them were- Gluck and Haydn, among others.

[Meyerbeer1]

@Cantormatis Do you hate Salieri or what?

[Cantormatis]

@Meyerbeer1 Absolutely NOT! Salieri was a very important figure indeed. His music is simply mediocre in comparison to the TITANIC talents of Mozart and Haydn. However, he was the teacher of many a brilliant composer, including Beethoven. Poor Schubert was going to begin working with him when Schubert died. Salieri wasn't a terrible composer, he just wasn't a great one. His music lacks the sort of chromaticism that makes Mozart and Haydn so interesting.

[ivanosky33]

I have listened to various pieces his work is very refined and intelligent,he reflects the courtlife of the time very well, but there is a tendency to repeat material. On the other hand Mozart is different and genious with each of his works and reflects most probably life in heaven.

[singingwhore]

Who dares to compare Mozart to anyone else? He is unique because he is a genius. Beethoven is not a genius, he is the legendary romantic composer. But you just can't compare him to Mozart. Why would you compare Salieri then? Judge this piece of music by itself and you'll hear that Salieri's Les Danaides is amazing!

[makwingka1985hk]

if you just listen to ONe of his work , it will be completely a kind of cool msuic

but if you listen all of his msuic , you will find there are a lot of repeated material whose use also every of his msuic and also he is lack of development , so the msuic cannot develop into a large scale piece . that is was he fail at that period of time

[Ballack933]

Salieri, oh such beatiful music, the melody so classic, so deep, so magic... Oh, I wonder why Salieri passed to history as a Mozart`s enimy...

[thereaperorsutch]

@Ballack933 why where they enemies?

[Ballack933]

@thereaperorsutch : They were not enemies, by the way, I wonder who talked this nonsense, when Mozart had established in Viena, Salieri was very famous tough, he was the Imperial Conquer and it would be for many years, he has taught genious as Beethoven and Liszt... That`s an insult about Salieri!

[thereaperorsutch]

@Ballack933 thank you for explaining

[Cantormatis]

@Ballack933 Poor Salieri said this sort of stuff only at the end of his life, basically after he had lost his mind. After 1790, when Joseph II died, Salieri was on the outs at court, since the new emperor despised him. Mozart and Salieri, at least by this point, were somewhat friendly rivals. Cimarosa became the temporary favorite at court for the brief reign of that emperor.

[IshtarPiccolo]

@Ballack933 German nationalists during that time claimed that Salieri was trying to sabotage Mozart because Salieri was Italian. Irl, they were actually good friends.

[danta01]

@Ballack933 Because his last sentence was: 'I am the murderer of Amadeus":)

[Khayman8888]

Salieri was very good and has the unfortunate task of being the single most compared composer to Mozart, who was beyond doubt a genius.

Personally, I prefer Beethoven and Chopin for their seeming emphasis on the emotions of the individual rather than the larger, more collective sentiments of Mozart and Salieri.

Mozart revolutionized the kind of music that people like Salieri executed very well. The difference between intelligence and genius.

[Tinyoak2]

Unfortunately the movie Amadeus Portrays him as a villian who was an unsuccessful and mediocre composer, when in fact it was quite the opposite.The rumors around the mozart vs Salieri were started in or around 1781 when Mozart applied to be the music teacher of the Princess of Württemberg, and Salieri was selected instead.Not long after that, Le Nozze di Figaro was not liked by either the Emperor Joseph II nor by the public, so Mozart blamed Salieri for the failure.

[SandrineSoprano]

@Tinyoak2 Ha! ha!! I always wondered. Truly, I discover Salieri only today, to my great shame...

[doctormantell]

why, don't be so hard. Not a genius, but certainly nopt a mediocre composer. Salieri's "Danaides" were the gym of Cherubini, Spontini e Bizet!

[Erismena]

Encore un pauvre type qui n'y connait rien...

Tarare, ça surpasse tous les Mozart à l'exception peut-être (difficile de comparer une tragédie lyrique et un drama giocoso) de Don Giovanni.

Après, si vous me dites que vous détestez tout de Mozart, je comprend votre sentiment!!

En tout cas, Salieri mérite d'être autant joué que Mozart (c'est-à-dire qu'il faut moins joué Mozart...)

[ColinMeloy91]

I know I can speak for a lot of people who saty they'd pick mozart's music over this anyday. But after hearing this. THIS is amazing!!!!!!!!!!! I love the way salieri wrote his operas so erie and multi moods. It's excellent! :) I want to buy recordings.

[Meyerbeer1]

And why not?

[tracywk]

Gorgeous! Salieri was a wonderful composer. Thank goodness that he is finally having a resurgence and a much deserved new appreciation of his work.

Thanks for this beautiful selection.

[muzykowedma]

Thank you for the both Salieri's ouvertures! I guess, this one is with Gelmetti, and what about the other one with the excellent interventions of trompets?