Sorry, Islam is a dirty disgusting excuse of a religion a child fucker used to wrap up a justification for thievery raping and murder. Mohammad had the good luck to have 4 great salesman spread his filth. Only good Muslems are those who don't adhere to the dogma. Hell, you got those pig Saudis romping in England, good luck with that, they'll get their ass kicked in the USA, why they have little presence.
no wonder the UK has become an irrelevant country overtaken by political correctness... it is full of equivocating, coreless pansy men like this one who don't have the sense or courage to call out and stand up to the barbaric cult of Islam.
In my part of the US, Philadelphia, I don't really see much "hatred" of Muslims, the subject never comes up locally on tv, I don't see any marches or counter protests or anything. OTOH, PA (the state that Philadelphia is in) has the second highest number of hate groups in the US (or at least it used to). In the city I see Muslims walking around all the time and nobody is bothering them, seems to me to not really be much of an issue at this point.
you're wrong, islam as a concept IS a real thing, but luckily most muslims in the west do not follow islam fully. just like jews don't practice stoning but it is in their book. the people we need to be worried about are those who really do or want to pratice jihad and shariah law.
I'm gonna be truthful, I don't hate GAY people as humans, I don't agree with their concept of sexuality. I just don't. It corrupts the nature of Humans. Though you may hate it, Sharia Law says we must kill Homosexual. (That's only if they are living under S.Law), and I'm not going to change Islam into what I want people to hear I'm gonna say it straight to you. And atheists living under sharia law, they have a right to live and believe in what they want to believe.
"And atheists living under sharia law, they have a right to live and believe in what they want to believe"
As long as they keep their mouths shut about their beliefs, yes or no? Or, are they allowed to openly express their beliefs? If not, then they don't really have the right to live and believe in what they want to believe. If you can't express yourself/your beliefs, then you practically don't have the right to hold them.
@Mattyb88ful If they live in a Muslim country where the majority is Muslims, why would we want them to openly preach thier beliefs and turn people away from Islam? When to us it's the Truth? They can have a event and whatnot with thier fellow athiests and openly preach there. If a Muslim wants to he can go there and listen that's up to him. But at the end of the day. Coming up onto the streets and things like that and calling for disbelief is forbidden.
@Mattyb88ful But if they openly speak out against Islam then yeah, execution is a must. I'm not going to argue with you. You asked what are the rights of Homosexuals and Athiests and I told you. And isn't it common sense to be drawn to the oppisite gender rather than your own? If this was to be of humans, there would be no Mankind at all. And instead of pointing fingers at Islam ask what Christianity, Hinduism and other faiths have to say about it.
@Mattyb88ful Yes, I do believe that. It's either they accept Islam and give up speaking out against it or be killed. And what is ''Freedom of Speech'' a disguise to insult other religions? How many people have been killed just for saying what they believe in? So it's better to keep quiet. And no, It doesn't exist, you guys got rejected by the oppisste sex so many times and had no hope so you all turned Gay. That's what it is. What? Women are not sufficient for you? God created Women too.
@Mattyb88ful But Christianity and Hinduism ALL condemn Homosexuality. In Uganda, they all say they should be killed and those people are Christians. For centuries Hinduism has been forcing women, when their husbands die, to jump into the funeral pyres, alive, to be burned and die. This is called sati. What is your opinion on those two regards?
@Mattyb88ful Would you like it if something you STRONGLY believed in and you knew to be right was stood up against. The people who believe in what you believe would have great animosity to the other party who said that. And so, problems would occur. The other party will say the have a 'freedom of speech' so there is nothing you can do. In anger, your party may decide to take things into thier own hands. See how this does not work?
@Mattyb88ful But at the end of the day, I am in a non-muslim country. It is not within my right to do anything to anyone. Britain has so many problems. It ENDLESS. And the USA and they all follow the same 'Democracy'. It's better for everyone to mind thier own business about other people, keep thier mouths shut so it doesn't cause any problems. Gays just corrupt society. I don't understand how a man or woman be attracted to each of the same sex? Please, explain this to me.
@Mattyb88ful But me believing Homosexuality is wrong and they should be killed is my belief isn't it? Shouldn't I be allowed to say whatever I want. Shouldn't I have the freedom of expression. This is the UN human rights. And it is adressed to all humans, and me being an inhabitant of Earth. Now, You must hate my guts. But there is nothing you can do, neither can I do anything to you. But we're both raging in Anger, we could kill each other. See, how AGAIN this does not work?
@Mattyb88ful If Hitler was alive today and was making his rants about Jews (without action yet) he'd be allowed to say whatever the hell he wanted because he has 'reedom of speech as a Human being. If All these rants were recorded on video put on youtube, watched by his followers, made a strong party, became dictator and (not up to 6 million with today's advances in military) but slayed every Jew he and his followers saw? The situation would have been avoidable if someone had kept his mouthshut
Hmmmm nice video what my view point is all religion put into action especially on the national level( through government take over and such), thats what im actually scared of because one that idea and ideology of a religion takes hold its forced on people and for me this is serious because basically under Islam, christianity, and the jewish religion all call for me to be killed! Lets just hope nothing goes to shit like that!
@sinduda Fear is its counterpart not its opposite.. Love is not the opposite of anything, It just is. An opposite actively engages what it is juxtaposed to. Love does not function in negative actions and its energy is not capable of direct intentional aggression's. While the creative energy and joy of true love is incredible, it is often crushed by fear. Fear is so stupid. People run around hating and hurting for no reason at all. They will never feel true love in there lives.
look, richard, i'm not trying to play a game of semantics. sure, there are those who are pathologically hateful, but garden variety hate stems from irrational fear. ignorance, selfism and isolation are the things that nurture irrational fear.
but as for the term "islamophobia"....well, i don't really care for it; it rings of a clinical condition, which is just a little too forgiving of the mentality to suit me. i prefer to call a filthy bigot a filthy bigot.
@Coughlan000 Sorry Dick, but that's a bit of old bollocks ain't it. Courage is not freedom from fear, it is being afraid and doing it anyway, without feeling fear there is no courage.
ignorance is the enemy... if these people understood that 9/11 was not orchestrated by arabs/saudi's but by their own government as an excuse to start invading other countrys in a conquest for world domination i wonder if they would look at these people in the same light. but most are to proud and to ignorant to believe that their government would do something so unbelievably horrible but these are evil men and they dont give a damn about the people its all about gaining more money and power.
I condemn people in the video yelling things like "go back home." There is no justification for that stuff. They were a minority of the protesters at the event. The video distorts the event.
Most of the people protesting at the event were protesting against the radical idealogy of the keynote speakers. One was Malik Ali who openly supports terrorist organizations - Hezbollah (killed 220 US Marines), Hamas, & Islamic Jihad (both are responsible for many suicide bombings).
@JeffKlives then why dont these people also protest against their own government that have killed hundreds more innocent people than the 3 organisations you mentioned (hamas being democratically elected leaders of gaza). if they were fair, which they are not, then they should criticise all 'terrorists', including the ones in the white house. they were chanting abuse at all, not just speakers. how many terrorist organisations have been supported by the US govt. thru the cia. too many too mention.
@Coughlan000 - I was under the impression that 'racist' was an apt term. It is not called 'racist' because person x hates 'race' y, but because they hold 'racial' ideologies in the same way an Islamist holds Islamic ideologies. Rac(e)-ist. Islam-ist.
rite here's the problem with people saying IT's OK TO BE AFRAID OF ISLAM.....I am creeped out by spiders, they are not exactly my favourite thing in the world for whtever reason...but I can;t exactly communicate this to a spider hoping they are rational or at least fearful enuf for thier own health that they would do me the honour of staying out of my way as best as possible....U CAN DO THAT WITH BROWN PEOPLE....PEOPLE!
The reason to oppose religion is that such is necessary in the defense of human rights, not as an end in itself. Given that there are abundant ways to oppose religion without treading on the right to practice it, the inability of some to do so can only be interpreted as prejudice. The argument here is that Islam is wrong; not that Muslims are endemically evil.
I always looked at it like this... if you're going to tell me you DON'T like someone... you BETTER have a LOT better reason than their "RELIGION, RACE or NATIONALITY!)
Stupidity is ALIVE and WELL! (IT'S OK THOUGH... 'cause Jesus is coming soon at which point we can divide up these MORONS' SHIT!)
I agree that there is a serious problem with Islamophobia and attacks against people thought to be Muslims.
But I still can't wrap my head round the idea of atheistophobia. I've been an atheist *forever*. I've been annoyed by religious people patronizing me or trying to save me. But to be perfectly honest, I know I've been guilty of doing the same annoying things towards religious people-mostly when I was younger. But I've NEVEReverNever been discriminated against for being an atheist.
California-grew up in a small town, later lived in cities and suburbia. Never ever had a problem with it. My homecoming date was the son of a VERY religious, Billy Graham loving, born-again pastor. He and his family was never anything but warm and wonderful to me. He also worked with my dad (also atheist) in the fields during crop season for extra cash. They got along great.
Seriously, I have never ever been a target of discrimination for being an atheist, nor my family.
Maybe those figures of crime against each religion is because so much more is allowable against musliims.All the major news channels use all sorts of language,that would cause outrage to other religions yet its allowable against muslims.Id not be suprised if the stats were fabricated,the american media are famous for it.
Words don't exist: they're just sounds, set to pictures. Of course, this means that my post doesn't exist, either... which means this very statement doesn't exist; and everybody who reads, listens, or thinks I posted this is obviously delusional.
(Yup, that was my joke. But seriously, hating people is wrong and stupid.)
The conduit of muslims is a good point. And annoyingly, it is a fault I think most atheist make about religion in general. Often they talk about religion and the bible as independent concepts, like religion is something that somehow gets into men and women like some sort of parasite, harboring in their hearts and making them homophobic etc. Of course it's the other way around, religion will always exist because it's a facet of the human brain. I'm not saying don't fight it, but I don't bother.
Islamaphobia = Anti-Semitism, though it relates to Muslims as opposed to Jews. That's how the word is generally used isn't it? There will always be arguments about specific uses, e.g. confusing anti-Semitism with disliking Israel's Government's policies. Word uses changes: Semitism has its etymological roots in linguistic descriptions, not ethinic or racial discriptions.
Islamaphobia/Islamophobia is real and it is specific bigotry against Muslims.
there are Muslums, there are troublemakers and there are those who are paid to do evil.. the 3 are not the same.. God made borders for a reason.. the richmen of the world don't recognize borders.. globalism creates more problems than it fixes..
@Nardypants exactly.. you sir, can do what you will but let me remind you that God will not be mocked, and there will be no athiests in Hell.. I could use the old "denial" trick.. if you don't believe in God you're in denial because your soul believes.. when you do a good deed, say a kind word and/or uplift someone in need, that sir is your soul acting through you.. God is innate and for those who say "there is no God" have been deceived and lied to by someone or something.. God is good..
@Dewdaahman well that 'denial' trick is a pretty weak trick. You have no good way to make me gobble that a we actually have souls; you're just pulling this out of nowhere! Of course I try to be kind and all that jazz, but I assume I get 100% of the credit for that. And I do it because I'd like other people to do the same for me in this life. Not because there's a slight possibility that it might please some deity.
Anyway, back to the topic, why do borders absolutely have to be god-made?
@Nardypants I tip my hat to you my friend, you're 1/2 way there.. the thing is that kindness, generousity, compassion for others, and all the other quailties that makes someone a "good" man/woman comes from, you said it best, "I'd like others to do the same for me.." that sir is a tie that binds all good people.. "do unto others as you would have them do unto you.." see, you do know God, and He knows you.. He just has to work a little harder, is all.. and He will because He loves you..
@Dewdaahman Blah Blah Blah, asinine preaching, blah blah blah. Go ahead, I grant you the final words. Whatever I say to you, you'll ignore it and play your usual tape.
@Nardypants when you visit that place,behind your eyes,between awake and asleep, it's not just you and you alone there..that voice you hear, the one you debate inside your head, the view contrary to your's.. that is the Holy Spirit.. some call it a conscience, but it's a guide that helps us determine right from wrong.. there is no gray area, it's either black or it's white,good or bad, helpful or a hinderence.. if you know these differences and choose right, good and helpful, you're close..
Don't be silly, you are responding to me. If you were at the least bit serious, you would be avoiding me by not commenting to me if you though I was a troll. 8( for you.
Sp tell me manhunt46, do you hate garlic so much you stand in front of greengrocers, waving banners & telling the cloves of garlic to "Go Back In The Ground"?
Do you go around calling Italians & other people who eat garlic prolifically that they are 'Appeasers of Garlic"?
@MilitantPeaceist bla bla bla. . . Look i've delt with you before. . . plenty of times, and you always start off " oh lets try to be serious. . . and you always go to name callings and ignoring everything you're told. . .
Well i'm not going to bother giving you that pleasure. . .
No, from the start of this BS i've said i'm not going to be giving you a response because you are a troll. . . and you've just carried on being an arse. . . thus validating my point. . . .
If anyone else wishes to respond then fire away. . . I'm just not responding to you, moron.
Ok, so your point is logical to the extent of Islamophioa = Muslimophobia (which would be a far more acceptable term in my eyes). But taking the OED definition for instance: "a hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force". Well i would assert that fearing "Islam" and it's "political force" is not a phobia.
But hatred or fear of Muslims as a group of people simply falls under the definition of xenophobia. So why invent a whole new word which doesn't make any sense?
@Joniversity Techniqucally homophobia, sexism, all forms of racism and so forth falls under the heading predjudice. The reason we created other words under that heading is because it helps to be specific. As for the word not making sense, a lot of words don't, if you break them down. Homophobia would properly translate as "fear of man." Televison is in two different languages. This word Islamophobia, as stupid a word as it is, is the one that's stuck, so we're stuck with it.
@Joniversity Fair does. I'll probably watch it, given as I just subcribed, something I meant to do ages ago. Sorry if I was too much of a dick. I have an English teacher mother and a Latin teacher grandpa, makes for an interest in languages!
If you see such a crowd like in orange country, shouting murder at children, walk up to one and say "Hey you know what we do to people like you? Remember the Germans? We will fucking kill you" and walk off.
about your last point: maybe we should compare the numbers of jewish/islamic citizens and buildings etc., because a difference here could increase/decrease the likelihood of hate crimes. maybe it's just less crimes against muslims because it's a smaller community. but i'm speculating...
about your last point: maybe we should compare the numbers of jewish/islamic citizens and buildings etc., because a difference here could increase/decrease the likelihood of hate crimes. maybe it's just less crimes against muslims because it's a smaller community. but i'm speculating...
Terrorphobia with biased prejudice and suspicion towards arabic people that are muslim. Certain images are just branded into their terror radar, which in turn causes irrational train of thought. It's how most neurological pathways connect. Makes indoctrination possible and on some level, it's exactly what's happened since 9.11. If the majority can't let go of a certain way of thinking, then this will be hard to 'neutralize'. It's quite a morbid defense mechanism. Definitions can be very tedious.
Homosexuality is a bad word too. It means "same sexuality". So as a straight man, i could say that i am homosexual to you, because we have the same sexuality. I could say that i am homosexual to a lesbian. Homosexuality does not mean exactly what it's latin/greek roots say it should mean. Does that mean that homosexuality doesn't exist?
As someone who has fought homophobia my entire life, and is motivated to study psychology as my career, homophobia as a term is an accurate term to describe heteronormative rejection of non-hetero people and our orientation, and there is much more to the essential lie of 'Islamiphobia". Your "hetero" anxieties have been quantified and qualified as distinct from other forms of bigotry, such as intolerance of others religions, races, and creeds. Deracination as neologism, that's "Islamiphobia".
i dont think the relevance of a statistic to a completely seperate argument has any bearing on the original point. the question i had when he dredged out these numbers was "what's the ratio between the number of hate crimes against muslims in the U.S. and the number of muslims in the U.S.?"
according to wikipedia, the american muslims make up about 0.8% (and that's the top end estimate) of the population. according the the linked report, muslim hates crimes come out at 8% - 10 x as much.
I don't think i agree with the statistics point for the reason you gave. It's a lot easier to identify Muslims and Jews than it is to identify atheists. What they wear, the name, going into a mosque or synagogue, plus a lot of atheists are in the closet in the us, so.......meh
There was hate in Orange County that night. It was inside the building giving the keynote speech for the fundraiser. It's odd that no one seems to mention that little fact. Why? Because the cameras were focused on a few idiots with big mouths, who were busy being asses. But are their fears "irrational"? Or do they have a legitimate reason to protest the speakers that night, and fear them? It's not hard to google their names and come up with a long history of these gentlemen, and their deeds.
I mirrored the video and a youtube user named annahudson76 really got on my channel and started defending the ones harassing the Muslims. Then when I called her on her bullshit she threatened to report me for cyberbullying.
But Richard....there's only 7 atheists in the USA, and between you and me, they deserved it anyway. You should read some of the shit they say online.
Gowins law only applies to conversations about storage of Star Wars collectibles and the like. When discussing race relations it becomes null and void.
What about the mass deportation of people who were "muslims" from cities like new york and some other states, and those that were driver out by the hate they were subjected to that should register as hate crime.
I know a man..cab driver from new york who was stabbed in the throath because he was approached by a man and asked if he was a muslim to which he replied yes..another lady had her scarf pulled off and was wacked in the face with an umbrella which damaged her eye thats just from what I know..on a larger scale..ofc it fucking exists
BTW, "Hate Crimes" is dertirmined by the 'ruling of the court', not an action per se & considering the amount of christian judges etc, I would not imagine there be much sympathy existing at the moment.
You also have the Anti Defamation League that 'creates' hate crimes against Jewish. If you mutter the words "I'm at a fucking Jewish funeral", it is deemed as anti semitic. So you might not go there Coughlan, but I sure as fuck will. Anti Semitism, as it is used today, is a crock.
@MilitantPeaceist do court's actually rule though buddy in america? i thought there was a jury who did, I'm sure it's the same in america, lol I saw it in american dad!
In these parts you would be closer to the reality if you added 'judeo-' to christian. I see mostly jewish sitting on the bench around these parts. When the real name of a man can be used in a national interview and then be called a slur against his jewishness,,, you know they are getting desperate in the PR field.
It's not about "Islam"ophobia, it's about Muslims, who are being drawn by their religion as being culturally "inferior" or "dangerous". But that is not based on their religion, but merely on their cultural background. Calling these haters "islamophobes" would mean calling antisemites "jewryphobes". So, were the antisemites fearing jewry or were they fearing jews as a cultural or ethnic group?
I think, they were fearing or hating them as a group. The religion is just used as an identity factor.
Yes, in fact they were fearing the Jewry. The fear is based in subscribing to things like the 'Mein Kampf" & "Protocols of the elders of Zion" etc etc & then thinking that any Jew could be plotting to take over the world so therefore hate the lot of them, as Hitler did & Stalin etc etc. You will need to do some history & understand exactly what 'Anti Semitism" is.
Yes, so let's name antisemitism "jewryphobia". But why is that not the case? Hmmmm....
I'm just saying, that the word itself is misleading, because it's not aimed at the religion, but at the ones, who are part of the religion. They fear jews and not jewry, because the assertion, that only jewish religion is allowed, is only a little part of the protocols. It's not aimed at the religion. It's aimed at the people, who happen to be part of the religion. It's religious labeling.
It's mainly the ethnicity, but which is defined by the religious background. We can see that in the racism of the nazis, who argued, that because jews were so often between one another they would have been a race, and not, that because of their jewry they were this or that. They hated the jews as an ethnic group, they did not "fear the religion". I personally could fear the islamic religion, because its basis is not very peaceful, just like the bible.But i wldn't attack muslims
@mardastheEitheist "in the racism of the nazis, who argued, that because jews were so often between one another they would have been a race, and not, that because of their jewry they were this or that. They hated the jews as an ethnic group, they did not "fear the religion"."
Can you please explain to me the uniform wearing German Nazis that were jewish? These hysteric reformifications of reality blow me away with their insanity at times. Truth seeking people are called revisionist, so sad.
What?! You are misunderstanding a lot here. I said, that it's the people, who are identified by their religion, and not the religious ideology, which is attacked. So just like antisemitism jews were still killed or hated, after they already had been baptized. And if muslims are leaving Islam or criticizing Islam harshly, but don't assimilate, but integrate, they are still being hated. It's directed against the people, whereas "Islamophobia" means irrational fear against Islam...
What am I misunderstanding when you used a flawed comparisson in the nazi against the jew? Then I read on,
"And if muslims are leaving Islam or criticizing Islam harshly, but *don't assimilate* , ! but integrate ! , they are still being hated." (the * and ! are mine added)
But fear against Islam is logical, because it really is a hateful religious ideology, just like jewry or christianity. Fear and generalizations against muslims, not dependent on if they really share islamist or terrorist ideology, is not logical, but irrational, and that is just like antisemitism not aimed at the religion, like Islamophobia seems to tell, but aimed at the people as an ethnic group. These people are not interested in exposing the ideology, they don't even know it.
@MilitantPeaceist actually dood, you'd be better off to reference a "spiritual" David Icke as more of the master on Protocols of the elders of Zion, than Hitler........because while none of us where actually born and further even got to know a DEAD MAN i might add, David Icke is openly spouting Jewish Demon Lords like it was a fuking Guyver movei and they were zoanoids
@sonicsoul0 David Icke, the lizard man. I thought he was just plain mad but yeah, I suppose you are on the right track. People that wish to spread seeds of fear that sprout as hatred.
@MilitantPeaceist yeah man, u know I don't have a problem with explaining things to REASONABLE people, but fuking NUT JOBS NEED HELP....SERIOUS SERIOUS LOVE AND ATTENTION.
@mardastheEitheist wow soo many errors where to begin Muslim = Islam ...cultural background? wtf does that mean, u mean like all germans are hitler :( (don't think my piano teacher would b to impressed) or stereotyping all brown skin (cus of islam) or black people (because of african tribe wars) or the chinese (that dictator erm, wut killed i think 40 to 70 million people Mao) or whites because of the crusades? yeah i think we all got a little something to "own" up 2. so long as there's hate ey?
You actually said nothing at all. I personally didn't generalize anyone, especially not germans, blacks or chinese, i am german myself ;). I just want to say, that the word "islamophobia" is actually misleading, because it's natural to fear a religious ideology, but then you wouldn't attack the people, but the ideology. But they attack the people. Nothing more. That means, that the religious background is meant to label them as an ethnicity, which is different, and then to be attackd
@mardastheEitheist violence is mental as well as physical, if u think I said nothing u need to reread it, maybe I didn't understand what you were trying to say, but there is NOTHING misleading about the term islamophibia, it's just a sub tree of racism. think of ignorance as being the tree trunk, and the branches are all different forms of stupidity, some worse than others. (I dunno maybe u mite imagine they have poisonous fruit that harms physically while others just look offensive.
Yes, it's stupidity, ignorance, hate, etc. But the word "islam"ophobia is still inaccurate, because it's not the religion, which is "irrationally" attacked, but the people, who happen to be that religion. The buzz word "islamophobia" is misleading, because it directs the hate against the group "muslims" or "immigrants" into the field of the religion islam, what is absolutely incorrect. Why? If you leave Islam, these people still hate you. Just like baptized jews killed in auschwitz.
@mardastheEitheist dude, you clearly aren't up to date on anything, muslims are being attacked because of the religion, now the fact you stated "these people still hate you" your basically saying all every race hates each other because we're all religious and all our religions have racism, south american christians > blacks, blacks > white devil, muslims > everything non muslim, jews > all germans, you make no sense
You are still not getting, what i mean. I am just furious about the word "islamophobia", which implies a fear of the ideology, whereas, what we see here, is the attack on people without even knowing the religious ideology "Islam". In my viewpoint it's reasonable to fear islam according to the coranic basics, "islamophobia" implies an unreasonable fear.
It's just about the word, nothing more. You misunderstand the point, that i make, i don't ignore, that muslims are attacked.
@mardastheEitheist thats' EXACTLY what is happening dood, people don't even understnad thier own fuking books, let alone expecting them to understand others, so really it doesn't make any sort of difference........it's plane old stupid.
"Phobic" is the exact & true definition, there is no other way to describe it. These people were shouting at children for fucks sake. Who is scared of a child so much they have to go there? It is completely irrational & is based in fear of the unknown like all phobias. I'm scared of nuclear bombs but it doesn't mean if I learn that there is a missile base somewhere, I'd be too scared, & then hate the actual base or the bomb inside. I am only scared of the fucker being dropped on my town!!!
@MilitantPeaceist then your not very smart mate! your afraid of a MAKE BELIEVE factor instead of a REAL one, I bet you probably still think the...well I won't spoil it for you...........but buddy I'd be more afraid of the people in charge cus the only way one of those babies is gonna blow, is through malpractice.....further more those things shouldn't even fuking exist, they make land unlivable for countless years and god knows what else the radiation does.
lol sonic, you are not very smart by saying that. I know they should not exist, I am just pointing out the difference of the behaviour of someone reacting from irrational hatred as opposed to knowing what is safe & what is impending doom.
That statistic actually counteracts Condell's argument perfectly.
Anti-islamic attacks, according to Condell's own source, account for 107 out of 1303 total incidents. This accounts for roughly 8.2% of total incidents against Muslims.
Using the CIA World Factbook, it states that Muslims account for 0.6 percent of the total population.
Proportionally, Muslims are 13.66* times MORE likely to suffer a hate crime.
The level of bigotry should not be measured by the number of hate crimes committed but rather the percentage of hate crimes committed. There are more Jews than Muslims in the United States. This should be taken into consideration.
anyone that thinks they can hate islam without it it pertaining to the followers of islam, is either talking crap, or just trying to defend their bigotry cus deep down they know they know they dont have a rational defence for their bigotry. I reckon 'islamaphobia' is clear enough. only the pedantic and political correct mob could say its not. if some said they were anglophobic would condell say "thats ok as as long as you dont have anything against the english people themselves" i think not.
No, it wouldn't, because islamophobia is about the fear and hatred of muslims, and hate crimes are not the only way it manifests. Just because people aren't beating up muslims en masse does not mean they are not being feared/discriminated against in non-violent ways.
Personally I am terrified of the concept "Philatelist". But I have no problem with people collecting stamps. Though stamps themselves make me giggle. I don´t know why
I think we passed the point right by where we could have just stuck with the term bigot to include the people you ascribe Islamophobia to. Does this really deserve to be a group? Can we go back or is it too late?
I believe Condell's justification for not accepting the term Islamophobia is that it suggests specifically an irrational fear(or set of them) and he is pointing to what he considers rational concerns, not that it's my place to defend him or his actions.
@Cocarat206 So where is the difference between this and the statistic coughlan used to show how few Muslim terrorist attacks there have been in 2009 in Europe?
I think the problem is that many people, who use the term Islamophobia do actually mean irrational fear of Islam, but you are right that there actually is an irrational fear of Muslims. I just wish there was a better word for it...
Y'know, Godwin's Law doesn't actually state you lose a debate if you invoke Nazis. It just states that if the debate goes on long enough, someone will bring up Nazis/Hitler somehow.
I find it very intriguing that a man who has admitted to substance addiction and abuse is the one person who has a sensible head on him. Keep it up Coughlan
I dislike the use of the suffix -phobia to describe hatred as well as, or in stead of, fear. It's use like that is inconsistent etc and it doesn't follow from the etymology of the word.
Sigh... Guess you're right, we'll have to get used to it. The days some words get redefined are sad days for grammar Nazis everywhere.
"I'm not about to go to that extent over a petty argument on the internet"
Then shut up and stop participating in it.
If the debate were about the content of the Quran do you really think you could whine about the library being too far away boohoo. No. If you're going to make a case that can only be verified with a certain source material, you better damn well have it to back up your claim or get the hell out of the kitchen.
You wanna be taken seriously in a debate, take the DEBATE seriously.
@TheFounderUtopia ok so you seriously did expect me to go to the library, steal a dictionary(not allowed remove reference books) photograph it, upload it and show it to this thread of youtube to settle a petty internet debate.
Still better than Muslims who want you to learn to learn arabic for the sake of argument.
But now we do know for a fact you have no life.
Regardless, you made one solid point, I will now shut up and stop participating in this argument.
Sorry, Islam is a dirty disgusting excuse of a religion a child fucker used to wrap up a justification for thievery raping and murder. Mohammad had the good luck to have 4 great salesman spread his filth. Only good Muslems are those who don't adhere to the dogma. Hell, you got those pig Saudis romping in England, good luck with that, they'll get their ass kicked in the USA, why they have little presence.
robertmike57 4 months ago
@robertmike57
I agree! Also, the only good Jew is one who doesn't follow the Bible.
superhamzah85 3 months ago
If you break Godwin, you are Godfail.
If you are Godfail, you are atheist. If you are atheist, you are not theist.
I am logic, you are belong to me. Whoever happens to read.
superhamzah85 3 months ago
Keep up the good word :)
razaa09 7 months ago
no wonder the UK has become an irrelevant country overtaken by political correctness... it is full of equivocating, coreless pansy men like this one who don't have the sense or courage to call out and stand up to the barbaric cult of Islam.
sndblstr 10 months ago
@sndblstr from a guy with a faceless acxcount who cant even be botherd to make videos doing that himself.
Coughlan000 10 months ago 6
In my part of the US, Philadelphia, I don't really see much "hatred" of Muslims, the subject never comes up locally on tv, I don't see any marches or counter protests or anything. OTOH, PA (the state that Philadelphia is in) has the second highest number of hate groups in the US (or at least it used to). In the city I see Muslims walking around all the time and nobody is bothering them, seems to me to not really be much of an issue at this point.
christo930 10 months ago
you're wrong, islam as a concept IS a real thing, but luckily most muslims in the west do not follow islam fully. just like jews don't practice stoning but it is in their book. the people we need to be worried about are those who really do or want to pratice jihad and shariah law.
moLeOnPoT 11 months ago
CAIR advocates extremists who advocate terrorist organizations.
CMO999 11 months ago
If you agree that 'Islamophobia' is not the best word to use then don't use it, fucking idiot.
There is nothing wrong with opposing Islam. It's a set of ideas/beliefs. Many Palestinians disagree with Zionism. Are they Zionismophobes?
Mattyb88ful 11 months ago
Someone with common sense thanks for this video, coming from a teenage Muslim female. I shared this on Facebook.
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
@AishaAbdi091093
"Some one with common sense"
How much common sense do, teenage Muslim female, have? Let's hear your opinions on gay rights and rights of atheists.
Mattyb88ful 11 months ago
@Mattyb88ful I
I'm gonna be truthful, I don't hate GAY people as humans, I don't agree with their concept of sexuality. I just don't. It corrupts the nature of Humans. Though you may hate it, Sharia Law says we must kill Homosexual. (That's only if they are living under S.Law), and I'm not going to change Islam into what I want people to hear I'm gonna say it straight to you. And atheists living under sharia law, they have a right to live and believe in what they want to believe.
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
@AishaAbdi091093
"And atheists living under sharia law, they have a right to live and believe in what they want to believe"
As long as they keep their mouths shut about their beliefs, yes or no? Or, are they allowed to openly express their beliefs? If not, then they don't really have the right to live and believe in what they want to believe. If you can't express yourself/your beliefs, then you practically don't have the right to hold them.
Mattyb88ful 11 months ago
@Mattyb88ful If they live in a Muslim country where the majority is Muslims, why would we want them to openly preach thier beliefs and turn people away from Islam? When to us it's the Truth? They can have a event and whatnot with thier fellow athiests and openly preach there. If a Muslim wants to he can go there and listen that's up to him. But at the end of the day. Coming up onto the streets and things like that and calling for disbelief is forbidden.
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
''If you can't express yourself/your beliefs, then you practically don't have the right to hold them''
That is your principle and belief, they can go if they want.
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
@Mattyb88ful But if they openly speak out against Islam then yeah, execution is a must. I'm not going to argue with you. You asked what are the rights of Homosexuals and Athiests and I told you. And isn't it common sense to be drawn to the oppisite gender rather than your own? If this was to be of humans, there would be no Mankind at all. And instead of pointing fingers at Islam ask what Christianity, Hinduism and other faiths have to say about it.
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
@AishaAbdi091093
"if they openly speak out against Islam..execution is a must"
So, you believe people should be killed for exercising their free speech and freedom of religion, yes? Disgusting.
"isn't it common sense to be drawn to the opposite gender rather than your own"
Whether it is 'common sense' or not, it exists. If a god exists, He must have created homosexuality.
"ask what Christianity, Hinduisum"
I dont' think other religiosn say apostates must be killed.
Mattyb88ful 11 months ago
@Mattyb88ful Yes, I do believe that. It's either they accept Islam and give up speaking out against it or be killed. And what is ''Freedom of Speech'' a disguise to insult other religions? How many people have been killed just for saying what they believe in? So it's better to keep quiet. And no, It doesn't exist, you guys got rejected by the oppisste sex so many times and had no hope so you all turned Gay. That's what it is. What? Women are not sufficient for you? God created Women too.
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
@Mattyb88ful But Christianity and Hinduism ALL condemn Homosexuality. In Uganda, they all say they should be killed and those people are Christians. For centuries Hinduism has been forcing women, when their husbands die, to jump into the funeral pyres, alive, to be burned and die. This is called sati. What is your opinion on those two regards?
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
@Mattyb88ful Would you like it if something you STRONGLY believed in and you knew to be right was stood up against. The people who believe in what you believe would have great animosity to the other party who said that. And so, problems would occur. The other party will say the have a 'freedom of speech' so there is nothing you can do. In anger, your party may decide to take things into thier own hands. See how this does not work?
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
@Mattyb88ful But at the end of the day, I am in a non-muslim country. It is not within my right to do anything to anyone. Britain has so many problems. It ENDLESS. And the USA and they all follow the same 'Democracy'. It's better for everyone to mind thier own business about other people, keep thier mouths shut so it doesn't cause any problems. Gays just corrupt society. I don't understand how a man or woman be attracted to each of the same sex? Please, explain this to me.
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
@Mattyb88ful How (in your opinion) did God 'create' this (homosexuality)? how do you know if you are one?
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
@Mattyb88ful But me believing Homosexuality is wrong and they should be killed is my belief isn't it? Shouldn't I be allowed to say whatever I want. Shouldn't I have the freedom of expression. This is the UN human rights. And it is adressed to all humans, and me being an inhabitant of Earth. Now, You must hate my guts. But there is nothing you can do, neither can I do anything to you. But we're both raging in Anger, we could kill each other. See, how AGAIN this does not work?
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
@Mattyb88ful If Hitler was alive today and was making his rants about Jews (without action yet) he'd be allowed to say whatever the hell he wanted because he has 'reedom of speech as a Human being. If All these rants were recorded on video put on youtube, watched by his followers, made a strong party, became dictator and (not up to 6 million with today's advances in military) but slayed every Jew he and his followers saw? The situation would have been avoidable if someone had kept his mouthshut
AishaAbdi091093 11 months ago
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@AishaAbdi091093
WHat the fuck are you talking about? You just said that people who leave Islam and gay people should be killed. You people are little Hitlers.
Mattyb88ful 11 months ago
@AishaAbdi091093 Actually there were some Jews who were part of the Nazis party.
LordMalice6d9 10 months ago
Hmmmm nice video what my view point is all religion put into action especially on the national level( through government take over and such), thats what im actually scared of because one that idea and ideology of a religion takes hold its forced on people and for me this is serious because basically under Islam, christianity, and the jewish religion all call for me to be killed! Lets just hope nothing goes to shit like that!
FawkesUniverse 11 months ago
The opposite of love is indifference
sinduda 11 months ago
@sinduda no the OPPOSITE of something means it OPPOSES that thing.
Love is the opposite of hate, indifference is neither one nor the other
Coughlan000 11 months ago
@Coughlan000
fine , then what's the opposite of islamaphobia?!
KEvron
KEvronista 11 months ago
@Coughlan000
....but just for shits and giggles, richard, look into "the opposite of love" and you'll find some well reasoned arguments have been presented.
KEvrn
KEvronista 11 months ago
@Coughlan000
....think of more as a koan than a maxim....
KEvron
KEvronista 11 months ago
@sinduda Fear is its counterpart not its opposite.. Love is not the opposite of anything, It just is. An opposite actively engages what it is juxtaposed to. Love does not function in negative actions and its energy is not capable of direct intentional aggression's. While the creative energy and joy of true love is incredible, it is often crushed by fear. Fear is so stupid. People run around hating and hurting for no reason at all. They will never feel true love in there lives.
sumphoo 11 months ago
remember: the opposite of love is fear.
KEvron
KEvronista 11 months ago
@KEvronista no the opposite of love is hate. The opposite of fear is courage
Coughlan000 11 months ago 9
@Coughlan000
hate is how fear manifests itself.
KEvron
KEvronista 11 months ago
@Coughlan000
look, richard, i'm not trying to play a game of semantics. sure, there are those who are pathologically hateful, but garden variety hate stems from irrational fear. ignorance, selfism and isolation are the things that nurture irrational fear.
but as for the term "islamophobia"....well, i don't really care for it; it rings of a clinical condition, which is just a little too forgiving of the mentality to suit me. i prefer to call a filthy bigot a filthy bigot.
KEvron
KEvronista 11 months ago
@KEvronista "but as for the term "islamophobia"....well, i don't really care for it; it rings of a clinical condition, "
It is simply a media buzz werd to drive the easily driven to beat war drums. (sic on occasion)
ISamuelII 11 months ago
@Coughlan000 W00t? I thought the opposite of fear was boredom and the opposite of love was nostalgia. ;)
Censeo 11 months ago
@Coughlan000 Sorry Dick, but that's a bit of old bollocks ain't it. Courage is not freedom from fear, it is being afraid and doing it anyway, without feeling fear there is no courage.
meucunt1 11 months ago
ignorance is the enemy... if these people understood that 9/11 was not orchestrated by arabs/saudi's but by their own government as an excuse to start invading other countrys in a conquest for world domination i wonder if they would look at these people in the same light. but most are to proud and to ignorant to believe that their government would do something so unbelievably horrible but these are evil men and they dont give a damn about the people its all about gaining more money and power.
ismokedaily420 11 months ago
I condemn people in the video yelling things like "go back home." There is no justification for that stuff. They were a minority of the protesters at the event. The video distorts the event.
Most of the people protesting at the event were protesting against the radical idealogy of the keynote speakers. One was Malik Ali who openly supports terrorist organizations - Hezbollah (killed 220 US Marines), Hamas, & Islamic Jihad (both are responsible for many suicide bombings).
JeffKlives 11 months ago
@JeffKlives then why dont these people also protest against their own government that have killed hundreds more innocent people than the 3 organisations you mentioned (hamas being democratically elected leaders of gaza). if they were fair, which they are not, then they should criticise all 'terrorists', including the ones in the white house. they were chanting abuse at all, not just speakers. how many terrorist organisations have been supported by the US govt. thru the cia. too many too mention.
jancrowb 11 months ago
@Coughlan000 - I was under the impression that 'racist' was an apt term. It is not called 'racist' because person x hates 'race' y, but because they hold 'racial' ideologies in the same way an Islamist holds Islamic ideologies. Rac(e)-ist. Islam-ist.
DoctorChainsaw 11 months ago
rite here's the problem with people saying IT's OK TO BE AFRAID OF ISLAM.....I am creeped out by spiders, they are not exactly my favourite thing in the world for whtever reason...but I can;t exactly communicate this to a spider hoping they are rational or at least fearful enuf for thier own health that they would do me the honour of staying out of my way as best as possible....U CAN DO THAT WITH BROWN PEOPLE....PEOPLE!
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
“Those feared are hated.”
--Benjamin Franklin
The reason to oppose religion is that such is necessary in the defense of human rights, not as an end in itself. Given that there are abundant ways to oppose religion without treading on the right to practice it, the inability of some to do so can only be interpreted as prejudice. The argument here is that Islam is wrong; not that Muslims are endemically evil.
lazyperfectionist1 11 months ago
I always looked at it like this... if you're going to tell me you DON'T like someone... you BETTER have a LOT better reason than their "RELIGION, RACE or NATIONALITY!)
Stupidity is ALIVE and WELL! (IT'S OK THOUGH... 'cause Jesus is coming soon at which point we can divide up these MORONS' SHIT!)
darreth0104 11 months ago
I agree that there is a serious problem with Islamophobia and attacks against people thought to be Muslims.
But I still can't wrap my head round the idea of atheistophobia. I've been an atheist *forever*. I've been annoyed by religious people patronizing me or trying to save me. But to be perfectly honest, I know I've been guilty of doing the same annoying things towards religious people-mostly when I was younger. But I've NEVEReverNever been discriminated against for being an atheist.
geodgereturns 11 months ago
@geodgereturns where do you live? i'd love to see that.
SPACKlick 11 months ago
@geodgereturns
California-grew up in a small town, later lived in cities and suburbia. Never ever had a problem with it. My homecoming date was the son of a VERY religious, Billy Graham loving, born-again pastor. He and his family was never anything but warm and wonderful to me. He also worked with my dad (also atheist) in the fields during crop season for extra cash. They got along great.
Seriously, I have never ever been a target of discrimination for being an atheist, nor my family.
geodgereturns 11 months ago
Maybe those figures of crime against each religion is because so much more is allowable against musliims.All the major news channels use all sorts of language,that would cause outrage to other religions yet its allowable against muslims.Id not be suprised if the stats were fabricated,the american media are famous for it.
155an 11 months ago
/watch?v=PTz71TOFoGs&feature=related
Proof Coughlans a Anti semite & Frightened of the truth
NeWorldFail 11 months ago
Words don't exist: they're just sounds, set to pictures. Of course, this means that my post doesn't exist, either... which means this very statement doesn't exist; and everybody who reads, listens, or thinks I posted this is obviously delusional.
(Yup, that was my joke. But seriously, hating people is wrong and stupid.)
dameon692002 11 months ago
The conduit of muslims is a good point. And annoyingly, it is a fault I think most atheist make about religion in general. Often they talk about religion and the bible as independent concepts, like religion is something that somehow gets into men and women like some sort of parasite, harboring in their hearts and making them homophobic etc. Of course it's the other way around, religion will always exist because it's a facet of the human brain. I'm not saying don't fight it, but I don't bother.
hampusheh 11 months ago
Islamaphobia = Anti-Semitism, though it relates to Muslims as opposed to Jews. That's how the word is generally used isn't it? There will always be arguments about specific uses, e.g. confusing anti-Semitism with disliking Israel's Government's policies. Word uses changes: Semitism has its etymological roots in linguistic descriptions, not ethinic or racial discriptions.
Islamaphobia/Islamophobia is real and it is specific bigotry against Muslims.
Why does everything have to be so complex?
Teloculos 11 months ago
there are Muslums, there are troublemakers and there are those who are paid to do evil.. the 3 are not the same.. God made borders for a reason.. the richmen of the world don't recognize borders.. globalism creates more problems than it fixes..
Dewdaahman 11 months ago
@Dewdaahman
Wait, borders are god-made? Does that mean I can disregard them since I don't believe in any god?
Nardypants 11 months ago
@Nardypants exactly.. you sir, can do what you will but let me remind you that God will not be mocked, and there will be no athiests in Hell.. I could use the old "denial" trick.. if you don't believe in God you're in denial because your soul believes.. when you do a good deed, say a kind word and/or uplift someone in need, that sir is your soul acting through you.. God is innate and for those who say "there is no God" have been deceived and lied to by someone or something.. God is good..
Dewdaahman 11 months ago
@Dewdaahman well that 'denial' trick is a pretty weak trick. You have no good way to make me gobble that a we actually have souls; you're just pulling this out of nowhere! Of course I try to be kind and all that jazz, but I assume I get 100% of the credit for that. And I do it because I'd like other people to do the same for me in this life. Not because there's a slight possibility that it might please some deity.
Anyway, back to the topic, why do borders absolutely have to be god-made?
Nardypants 11 months ago
@Nardypants I tip my hat to you my friend, you're 1/2 way there.. the thing is that kindness, generousity, compassion for others, and all the other quailties that makes someone a "good" man/woman comes from, you said it best, "I'd like others to do the same for me.." that sir is a tie that binds all good people.. "do unto others as you would have them do unto you.." see, you do know God, and He knows you.. He just has to work a little harder, is all.. and He will because He loves you..
Dewdaahman 11 months ago
@Dewdaahman Blah Blah Blah, asinine preaching, blah blah blah. Go ahead, I grant you the final words. Whatever I say to you, you'll ignore it and play your usual tape.
Nardypants 11 months ago
@Nardypants when you visit that place,behind your eyes,between awake and asleep, it's not just you and you alone there..that voice you hear, the one you debate inside your head, the view contrary to your's.. that is the Holy Spirit.. some call it a conscience, but it's a guide that helps us determine right from wrong.. there is no gray area, it's either black or it's white,good or bad, helpful or a hinderence.. if you know these differences and choose right, good and helpful, you're close..
Dewdaahman 11 months ago
@Dewdaahman
You know, there's the problem: I'm a gamer, I'm a role-player.
If I close my eyes, there isn't a single voice, there's a chorus and neither of them agrees with the other one.
giliellthesecond 11 months ago
does not frighten me
thenephilin1 11 months ago
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QUOTE: "Islamophobia - hatred or fear of Muslims (now here's the key bit) ---> or of their politics or culture <---
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Though i agree with him being scared of muslims if fucking idiotic, he's just gone and debunked his whole video.
manhunt48 11 months ago
I hate garlic. . . . I suppose according to rich here that i'm terrified of the fucking stuff as well.
manhunt48 11 months ago
@manhunt48
You don't hate garlic. The day you stand in front of a greengrocer, shouting "Go back in the ground" to cloves of garlic, I'll believe you ;)
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist
Ohh look it's the troll again. . . go away troll, i care not for your mischief.
manhunt48 11 months ago 5
@manhunt48
If that is the best you can do at avoiding the issue, then you are as benign as the pimple on my arsehole!
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist I'm not avoiding any issue. . . I'm just avoiding a troll. . . there's a big difference.
Have fun.
manhunt48 11 months ago
@manhunt48
Don't be silly, you are responding to me. If you were at the least bit serious, you would be avoiding me by not commenting to me if you though I was a troll. 8( for you.
Sp tell me manhunt46, do you hate garlic so much you stand in front of greengrocers, waving banners & telling the cloves of garlic to "Go Back In The Ground"?
Do you go around calling Italians & other people who eat garlic prolifically that they are 'Appeasers of Garlic"?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm? Fuck off troll.
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist bla bla bla. . . Look i've delt with you before. . . plenty of times, and you always start off " oh lets try to be serious. . . and you always go to name callings and ignoring everything you're told. . .
Well i'm not going to bother giving you that pleasure. . .
So bye bye arsehole.
manhunt48 11 months ago
@manhunt48
You're the one that called me troll & you say I start off with name calling? You are a complete idiot.
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist
I say you're a troll because that's exactly what you are. . . Every time we've conversed you've shown that to be true.
That's it, end of.
manhunt48 11 months ago
@manhunt48
You said you hate garlic & that somehow refutes coughlan.
I said when you start shouting in fron of a greengrocers "Go Back In The Ground" to cloves of garlic, then I'd believe you.
You follow up with a troll statement. That pretty much seals who the troll is & it ain't me, sunshine 8)
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist
No, from the start of this BS i've said i'm not going to be giving you a response because you are a troll. . . and you've just carried on being an arse. . . thus validating my point. . . .
If anyone else wishes to respond then fire away. . . I'm just not responding to you, moron.
manhunt48 11 months ago
@manhunt48
You have responded to me over 4 times, are you trying to convince me or yourself?
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
Nice video, Coughlan.
GriffinPilgrim 11 months ago
Ok, so your point is logical to the extent of Islamophioa = Muslimophobia (which would be a far more acceptable term in my eyes). But taking the OED definition for instance: "a hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force". Well i would assert that fearing "Islam" and it's "political force" is not a phobia.
But hatred or fear of Muslims as a group of people simply falls under the definition of xenophobia. So why invent a whole new word which doesn't make any sense?
Joniversity 11 months ago
@Joniversity Techniqucally homophobia, sexism, all forms of racism and so forth falls under the heading predjudice. The reason we created other words under that heading is because it helps to be specific. As for the word not making sense, a lot of words don't, if you break them down. Homophobia would properly translate as "fear of man." Televison is in two different languages. This word Islamophobia, as stupid a word as it is, is the one that's stuck, so we're stuck with it.
GriffinPilgrim 11 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim Ok. I'm convinced. But i guess when i'll do a video about i'll make sure to distinguish between Muslimophobia and Islamophobia.
Joniversity 11 months ago
@Joniversity Fair does. I'll probably watch it, given as I just subcribed, something I meant to do ages ago. Sorry if I was too much of a dick. I have an English teacher mother and a Latin teacher grandpa, makes for an interest in languages!
GriffinPilgrim 11 months ago
If you see such a crowd like in orange country, shouting murder at children, walk up to one and say "Hey you know what we do to people like you? Remember the Germans? We will fucking kill you" and walk off.
philateliceun 11 months ago
about your last point: maybe we should compare the numbers of jewish/islamic citizens and buildings etc., because a difference here could increase/decrease the likelihood of hate crimes. maybe it's just less crimes against muslims because it's a smaller community. but i'm speculating...
TheTiwaz 11 months ago
about your last point: maybe we should compare the numbers of jewish/islamic citizens and buildings etc., because a difference here could increase/decrease the likelihood of hate crimes. maybe it's just less crimes against muslims because it's a smaller community. but i'm speculating...
TheTiwaz 11 months ago
Terrorphobia with biased prejudice and suspicion towards arabic people that are muslim. Certain images are just branded into their terror radar, which in turn causes irrational train of thought. It's how most neurological pathways connect. Makes indoctrination possible and on some level, it's exactly what's happened since 9.11. If the majority can't let go of a certain way of thinking, then this will be hard to 'neutralize'. It's quite a morbid defense mechanism. Definitions can be very tedious.
TheSolitudinarian 11 months ago
Homosexuality is a bad word too. It means "same sexuality". So as a straight man, i could say that i am homosexual to you, because we have the same sexuality. I could say that i am homosexual to a lesbian. Homosexuality does not mean exactly what it's latin/greek roots say it should mean. Does that mean that homosexuality doesn't exist?
procritic09 11 months ago
If Pat said it doesn't exist then would that mean it's nothing? So, it would equal 0. How do you get 1/10th of 0?
I agree, it does sound foolish, even at the mathematical level.
FuckSlice 11 months ago
"Fuck Godwin, he was a Nazi!"
ROFL.
zeldja 11 months ago
I don't think the Sikhs who were hurt are on that statistic Richard, people were attacking anyone with a turban and a beard at one point.
0Idskool 11 months ago
Excellent
Shindai 11 months ago
Hate the belief not the believer. The most loving thing you can do to a believer is to deconvert him.
mjh012363 11 months ago
As someone who has fought homophobia my entire life, and is motivated to study psychology as my career, homophobia as a term is an accurate term to describe heteronormative rejection of non-hetero people and our orientation, and there is much more to the essential lie of 'Islamiphobia". Your "hetero" anxieties have been quantified and qualified as distinct from other forms of bigotry, such as intolerance of others religions, races, and creeds. Deracination as neologism, that's "Islamiphobia".
kern0099 11 months ago
Islamomisia
fluffymcdeath 11 months ago
i dont think the relevance of a statistic to a completely seperate argument has any bearing on the original point. the question i had when he dredged out these numbers was "what's the ratio between the number of hate crimes against muslims in the U.S. and the number of muslims in the U.S.?"
according to wikipedia, the american muslims make up about 0.8% (and that's the top end estimate) of the population. according the the linked report, muslim hates crimes come out at 8% - 10 x as much.
dreadpiratedan 11 months ago
I don't think i agree with the statistics point for the reason you gave. It's a lot easier to identify Muslims and Jews than it is to identify atheists. What they wear, the name, going into a mosque or synagogue, plus a lot of atheists are in the closet in the us, so.......meh
SatiricalStewie 11 months ago
@SatiricalStewie actually that emphasises my point that u cant just use "hate crime" stats to judge the level of prejudice
Coughlan616 11 months ago
"homophobophobe" LOL!
El3ctricPenguin 11 months ago
Coughlan: a drug addict, listens to what the media tells him
Patcondell: a man with a functioning brain and can think for himself.
I think I know who I would trust more. and why bring up Jews Coughlan, we all know you hate Israel and the Jews just like you hate the West itself.
Americansoldier11x 11 months ago
@Americansoldier11x So i use the same stats as condell but HE is right and im wrong to do so.
Secondly i assume by "thinks for himself" you mean "makes up shit in his head
If condell doesnt listen to the media why does he link media sources in every video he makes.
Thirdly, if i hate the jews so much why have i made videos critical of anti-semites on youtube?
Coughlan616 11 months ago
There was hate in Orange County that night. It was inside the building giving the keynote speech for the fundraiser. It's odd that no one seems to mention that little fact. Why? Because the cameras were focused on a few idiots with big mouths, who were busy being asses. But are their fears "irrational"? Or do they have a legitimate reason to protest the speakers that night, and fear them? It's not hard to google their names and come up with a long history of these gentlemen, and their deeds.
ravenslaves 11 months ago
I mirrored the video and a youtube user named annahudson76 really got on my channel and started defending the ones harassing the Muslims. Then when I called her on her bullshit she threatened to report me for cyberbullying.
exacerbatedtaboo 11 months ago
But Richard....there's only 7 atheists in the USA, and between you and me, they deserved it anyway. You should read some of the shit they say online.
unclexbob 11 months ago
Gowins law only applies to conversations about storage of Star Wars collectibles and the like. When discussing race relations it becomes null and void.
gabiotta 11 months ago
You're not actually violating Godwin's law, you're proving it.
Sabohaque 11 months ago
What about the mass deportation of people who were "muslims" from cities like new york and some other states, and those that were driver out by the hate they were subjected to that should register as hate crime.
Cerbethys 11 months ago
I know a man..cab driver from new york who was stabbed in the throath because he was approached by a man and asked if he was a muslim to which he replied yes..another lady had her scarf pulled off and was wacked in the face with an umbrella which damaged her eye thats just from what I know..on a larger scale..ofc it fucking exists
Cerbethys 11 months ago
BTW, "Hate Crimes" is dertirmined by the 'ruling of the court', not an action per se & considering the amount of christian judges etc, I would not imagine there be much sympathy existing at the moment.
You also have the Anti Defamation League that 'creates' hate crimes against Jewish. If you mutter the words "I'm at a fucking Jewish funeral", it is deemed as anti semitic. So you might not go there Coughlan, but I sure as fuck will. Anti Semitism, as it is used today, is a crock.
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist do court's actually rule though buddy in america? i thought there was a jury who did, I'm sure it's the same in america, lol I saw it in american dad!
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
@sonicsoul0 "do court's actually rule though buddy in america? i thought there was a jury who did, "
A jury is only in on the initial trial, if any. From then on it is panels of or single minds to sway.
ISamuelII 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist "considering the amount of christian judges "
In these parts you would be closer to the reality if you added 'judeo-' to christian. I see mostly jewish sitting on the bench around these parts. When the real name of a man can be used in a national interview and then be called a slur against his jewishness,,, you know they are getting desperate in the PR field.
ISamuelII 11 months ago
It's not about "Islam"ophobia, it's about Muslims, who are being drawn by their religion as being culturally "inferior" or "dangerous". But that is not based on their religion, but merely on their cultural background. Calling these haters "islamophobes" would mean calling antisemites "jewryphobes". So, were the antisemites fearing jewry or were they fearing jews as a cultural or ethnic group?
I think, they were fearing or hating them as a group. The religion is just used as an identity factor.
mardastheEitheist 11 months ago
@mardastheEitheist
Yes, in fact they were fearing the Jewry. The fear is based in subscribing to things like the 'Mein Kampf" & "Protocols of the elders of Zion" etc etc & then thinking that any Jew could be plotting to take over the world so therefore hate the lot of them, as Hitler did & Stalin etc etc. You will need to do some history & understand exactly what 'Anti Semitism" is.
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist
Yes, so let's name antisemitism "jewryphobia". But why is that not the case? Hmmmm....
I'm just saying, that the word itself is misleading, because it's not aimed at the religion, but at the ones, who are part of the religion. They fear jews and not jewry, because the assertion, that only jewish religion is allowed, is only a little part of the protocols. It's not aimed at the religion. It's aimed at the people, who happen to be part of the religion. It's religious labeling.
mardastheEitheist 11 months ago
@mardastheEitheist
It is aimed at both the religion & the ethnicity.
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist
It's mainly the ethnicity, but which is defined by the religious background. We can see that in the racism of the nazis, who argued, that because jews were so often between one another they would have been a race, and not, that because of their jewry they were this or that. They hated the jews as an ethnic group, they did not "fear the religion". I personally could fear the islamic religion, because its basis is not very peaceful, just like the bible.But i wldn't attack muslims
mardastheEitheist 11 months ago
@mardastheEitheist "in the racism of the nazis, who argued, that because jews were so often between one another they would have been a race, and not, that because of their jewry they were this or that. They hated the jews as an ethnic group, they did not "fear the religion"."
Can you please explain to me the uniform wearing German Nazis that were jewish? These hysteric reformifications of reality blow me away with their insanity at times. Truth seeking people are called revisionist, so sad.
ISamuelII 11 months ago
@ISamuelII
What?! You are misunderstanding a lot here. I said, that it's the people, who are identified by their religion, and not the religious ideology, which is attacked. So just like antisemitism jews were still killed or hated, after they already had been baptized. And if muslims are leaving Islam or criticizing Islam harshly, but don't assimilate, but integrate, they are still being hated. It's directed against the people, whereas "Islamophobia" means irrational fear against Islam...
mardastheEitheist 11 months ago
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@mardastheEitheist "What?! You are misunderstanding a lot here."
What am I misunderstanding when you used a flawed comparisson in the nazi against the jew? Then I read on,
"And if muslims are leaving Islam or criticizing Islam harshly, but *don't assimilate* , ! but integrate ! , they are still being hated." (the * and ! are mine added)
You really did write that??
iSam
SlackerSlayer 11 months ago
@ISamuelII
But fear against Islam is logical, because it really is a hateful religious ideology, just like jewry or christianity. Fear and generalizations against muslims, not dependent on if they really share islamist or terrorist ideology, is not logical, but irrational, and that is just like antisemitism not aimed at the religion, like Islamophobia seems to tell, but aimed at the people as an ethnic group. These people are not interested in exposing the ideology, they don't even know it.
mardastheEitheist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist actually dood, you'd be better off to reference a "spiritual" David Icke as more of the master on Protocols of the elders of Zion, than Hitler........because while none of us where actually born and further even got to know a DEAD MAN i might add, David Icke is openly spouting Jewish Demon Lords like it was a fuking Guyver movei and they were zoanoids
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
@sonicsoul0 David Icke, the lizard man. I thought he was just plain mad but yeah, I suppose you are on the right track. People that wish to spread seeds of fear that sprout as hatred.
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist yeah man, u know I don't have a problem with explaining things to REASONABLE people, but fuking NUT JOBS NEED HELP....SERIOUS SERIOUS LOVE AND ATTENTION.
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
@mardastheEitheist wow soo many errors where to begin Muslim = Islam ...cultural background? wtf does that mean, u mean like all germans are hitler :( (don't think my piano teacher would b to impressed) or stereotyping all brown skin (cus of islam) or black people (because of african tribe wars) or the chinese (that dictator erm, wut killed i think 40 to 70 million people Mao) or whites because of the crusades? yeah i think we all got a little something to "own" up 2. so long as there's hate ey?
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
@sonicsoul0
You actually said nothing at all. I personally didn't generalize anyone, especially not germans, blacks or chinese, i am german myself ;). I just want to say, that the word "islamophobia" is actually misleading, because it's natural to fear a religious ideology, but then you wouldn't attack the people, but the ideology. But they attack the people. Nothing more. That means, that the religious background is meant to label them as an ethnicity, which is different, and then to be attackd
mardastheEitheist 11 months ago
@mardastheEitheist violence is mental as well as physical, if u think I said nothing u need to reread it, maybe I didn't understand what you were trying to say, but there is NOTHING misleading about the term islamophibia, it's just a sub tree of racism. think of ignorance as being the tree trunk, and the branches are all different forms of stupidity, some worse than others. (I dunno maybe u mite imagine they have poisonous fruit that harms physically while others just look offensive.
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
@sonicsoul0
Yes, it's stupidity, ignorance, hate, etc. But the word "islam"ophobia is still inaccurate, because it's not the religion, which is "irrationally" attacked, but the people, who happen to be that religion. The buzz word "islamophobia" is misleading, because it directs the hate against the group "muslims" or "immigrants" into the field of the religion islam, what is absolutely incorrect. Why? If you leave Islam, these people still hate you. Just like baptized jews killed in auschwitz.
mardastheEitheist 11 months ago
@mardastheEitheist dude, you clearly aren't up to date on anything, muslims are being attacked because of the religion, now the fact you stated "these people still hate you" your basically saying all every race hates each other because we're all religious and all our religions have racism, south american christians > blacks, blacks > white devil, muslims > everything non muslim, jews > all germans, you make no sense
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
@sonicsoul0
You are still not getting, what i mean. I am just furious about the word "islamophobia", which implies a fear of the ideology, whereas, what we see here, is the attack on people without even knowing the religious ideology "Islam". In my viewpoint it's reasonable to fear islam according to the coranic basics, "islamophobia" implies an unreasonable fear.
It's just about the word, nothing more. You misunderstand the point, that i make, i don't ignore, that muslims are attacked.
mardastheEitheist 11 months ago
@mardastheEitheist thats' EXACTLY what is happening dood, people don't even understnad thier own fuking books, let alone expecting them to understand others, so really it doesn't make any sort of difference........it's plane old stupid.
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
"Phobic" is the exact & true definition, there is no other way to describe it. These people were shouting at children for fucks sake. Who is scared of a child so much they have to go there? It is completely irrational & is based in fear of the unknown like all phobias. I'm scared of nuclear bombs but it doesn't mean if I learn that there is a missile base somewhere, I'd be too scared, & then hate the actual base or the bomb inside. I am only scared of the fucker being dropped on my town!!!
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
@MilitantPeaceist then your not very smart mate! your afraid of a MAKE BELIEVE factor instead of a REAL one, I bet you probably still think the...well I won't spoil it for you...........but buddy I'd be more afraid of the people in charge cus the only way one of those babies is gonna blow, is through malpractice.....further more those things shouldn't even fuking exist, they make land unlivable for countless years and god knows what else the radiation does.
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
@sonicsoul0
lol sonic, you are not very smart by saying that. I know they should not exist, I am just pointing out the difference of the behaviour of someone reacting from irrational hatred as opposed to knowing what is safe & what is impending doom.
MilitantPeaceist 11 months ago
That statistic actually counteracts Condell's argument perfectly.
Anti-islamic attacks, according to Condell's own source, account for 107 out of 1303 total incidents. This accounts for roughly 8.2% of total incidents against Muslims.
Using the CIA World Factbook, it states that Muslims account for 0.6 percent of the total population.
Proportionally, Muslims are 13.66* times MORE likely to suffer a hate crime.
Saaduk92 11 months ago
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi.
saadasim 11 months ago
Excellent vid Coughlan. You do your best work when you pull out the rational intellectual.
theskepticalheretic 11 months ago
@theskepticalheretic never seen a bad video of his yet? gimme the dirt mate :D which one isit which one isit
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
well done
learn99toswim 11 months ago
The level of bigotry should not be measured by the number of hate crimes committed but rather the percentage of hate crimes committed. There are more Jews than Muslims in the United States. This should be taken into consideration.
BaoJinKhan 11 months ago
statistics is just a crutch for a weak argument.
jancrowb 11 months ago
anyone that thinks they can hate islam without it it pertaining to the followers of islam, is either talking crap, or just trying to defend their bigotry cus deep down they know they know they dont have a rational defence for their bigotry. I reckon 'islamaphobia' is clear enough. only the pedantic and political correct mob could say its not. if some said they were anglophobic would condell say "thats ok as as long as you dont have anything against the english people themselves" i think not.
jancrowb 11 months ago
@jancrowb yes and the fact that you had to mention that clarifies just how many idiots there are commenting here already......
sonicsoul0 11 months ago
Wouldn't 107 hate crimes against muslims, prove that islomophobia does exist? You can argue about the scale from tht point.
Irbeth 11 months ago
@Irbeth
No, it wouldn't, because islamophobia is about the fear and hatred of muslims, and hate crimes are not the only way it manifests. Just because people aren't beating up muslims en masse does not mean they are not being feared/discriminated against in non-violent ways.
PuoskarinRuoska 11 months ago
@Irbeth
Uups, I'm sorry I misread your comment as "doesn't exist". Nevermind, I agree with your point.
PuoskarinRuoska 11 months ago
I can believe Pat Condell would use such silly reasoning. But then again, I guess I can see him doing that as well.
DaHonestAbe 11 months ago
You have put him down with one punch. nicely done.
dangerouslytalented 11 months ago
Personally I am terrified of the concept "Philatelist". But I have no problem with people collecting stamps. Though stamps themselves make me giggle. I don´t know why
zydilak 11 months ago
@zydilak STFU!!!! HATE MONGER!!!
philateliceun 11 months ago
I think we passed the point right by where we could have just stuck with the term bigot to include the people you ascribe Islamophobia to. Does this really deserve to be a group? Can we go back or is it too late?
I believe Condell's justification for not accepting the term Islamophobia is that it suggests specifically an irrational fear(or set of them) and he is pointing to what he considers rational concerns, not that it's my place to defend him or his actions.
pakratmak 11 months ago
Condels arguement is also off, because there are MANY more Jews in this country then Muslims.
Cocarat206 11 months ago
@Cocarat206 So where is the difference between this and the statistic coughlan used to show how few Muslim terrorist attacks there have been in 2009 in Europe?
t3nGu666 11 months ago
It's not just Islam people are afraid of. It is anyone who is brown and or from the middle East. The racism and bigotry has increased since 9/11/01
9/11 is being used as a reason to excuse racism and bigotry.
(just my opinion though)
GodlessManitoban 11 months ago
I think the problem is that many people, who use the term Islamophobia do actually mean irrational fear of Islam, but you are right that there actually is an irrational fear of Muslims. I just wish there was a better word for it...
t3nGu666 11 months ago
@t3nGu666 No matter what terminology you use it will always be considered the "wrong word".
iCalintz 11 months ago
Y'know, Godwin's Law doesn't actually state you lose a debate if you invoke Nazis. It just states that if the debate goes on long enough, someone will bring up Nazis/Hitler somehow.
himethisisme 11 months ago
I agree. It's wise to learn the connotations of a word, before using it.
spankthereasoner 11 months ago
I find it very intriguing that a man who has admitted to substance addiction and abuse is the one person who has a sensible head on him. Keep it up Coughlan
LogicvsFaith 11 months ago
I dislike the use of the suffix -phobia to describe hatred as well as, or in stead of, fear. It's use like that is inconsistent etc and it doesn't follow from the etymology of the word.
Sigh... Guess you're right, we'll have to get used to it. The days some words get redefined are sad days for grammar Nazis everywhere.
FHomeBrew 11 months ago
lol Pwn'd with his evidence :L
Nice find dick :D
ThatsMrFrank 11 months ago
"I'm not about to go to that extent over a petty argument on the internet"
Then shut up and stop participating in it.
If the debate were about the content of the Quran do you really think you could whine about the library being too far away boohoo. No. If you're going to make a case that can only be verified with a certain source material, you better damn well have it to back up your claim or get the hell out of the kitchen.
You wanna be taken seriously in a debate, take the DEBATE seriously.
TheFounderUtopia 11 months ago
@TheFounderUtopia ok so you seriously did expect me to go to the library, steal a dictionary(not allowed remove reference books) photograph it, upload it and show it to this thread of youtube to settle a petty internet debate.
Still better than Muslims who want you to learn to learn arabic for the sake of argument.
But now we do know for a fact you have no life.
Regardless, you made one solid point, I will now shut up and stop participating in this argument.
Protip: use the 'Reply' button.
riopieboy 11 months ago