Showdown: Air Combat - Me-109

[Thor39]

@Scharfsschutzen1 Besides, it baffles me how the all-superior German pilots could be defeated time after time during air strikes in August-October 1940.

[Thor39]

@ Scharfsschutzen1 I suggest that you confront your enthusiastic view upon German pilots with the combat records of RAF No. 303 Squadron during Battle of Britain. It may be a real eye-opener. :) Even Wikipedia will do.

[badboycjr]

how the can the dude pass it off as a real 109, which it is isn't as its a buchon, but then have the cheek to say its of only 3 left in the world flying, what and absolute douche

[NIGHTEHAWK]

I like this show, but it could be so much better. I love this plane, wish it was a real 109 though.

[gwhunter1986]

the thing that gives away this replica made off another airframe is the fact that the exhaust is at the top of the engine. Real Me 109's have theirs in the lower part of the engine......

[Xiolablu3]

I am just speechless, lets just leave it at that. I read a lot of history from all sides.

[Xiolablu3]

Quote from RAF pilot Sailor Malan for instance. ' I dont really know how many I shot down. Much has been written about the rivalry between pilots and builing up their 'score'. In my experience this did not exist. The whole squadron's job was to destroy as many aircraft as possible, not to build up a personal tally'

[cyberOwwwOecho]

Wonderful airplane.

Marseille had 158 victories without exeption against allied fighters, many Spitfires among them, sometimes 5,6 or even 7 in a couple of Minutes.

As the US-Veteran told: In the hands of an experienced pilot it could seal the fate of any allied airplane even in late war, when German Pilots were outnumbered.

Certainly: In the second half of the war appeared better planes like the FW190-D and finally the unrivaled Me 262 (but too late or rather delayed) on the baltlefield.

[Scharfschutzen1]

Did these american "top" Aces ever meet the "top" Aces of Germany,NO. They would not be doing an interview here.

[kaa13]

@Scharfschutzen1

Wrong ! the RAF and USAAF bled the LW to death and eventually established a total superiority over the German territory .You'll find easily on the web the list of the German aces (5+ kills) and their fate.

[Scharfschutzen1]

@kaa13 No body produced the quality of Aces like Germany nor did anyone come close to the amount of individual sorties, wake up. 5 kills for Allied aces. The German ground crew had more time inspecting their fighter than the Allied"ACE" had in the air.

[kaa13]

@Scharfschutzen1

Yes of course , the numbers are on the side of your statement..I was just answering to what you wrote before, that the US aces had no chances against the german aces, by telling you that a great number of german aces (5 kills) and "uber"aces (those with tenth or hundreds of kills ) have been shot down(sometimes twice or more) / killed/ pows while fighting against the western countries airforces.

[Scharfschutzen1]

@kaa13 Ok kaa13, i read you.

[Scharfschutzen1]

@kaa13 Allies combined did not have the quality of Pilots that Germany had. Allies only had numbers and when America entered Europe the Luftwaffe was outnumbered in fights usually 10 to 1, still Germany inflicted heavy losses on them

[kaa13]

@Scharfschutzen1

Your statement, imo, is valid till 1944, from this time the quality of the replacement pilots decreased dramatically (because of worsening(?) training conditions and the urgent need of replacement) and the losses skyrocketed. The Average allied fighter pilot was becoming from mid 1944 much better than the German one and of course as you says outnumbered his german counterparty.Of course we all agree that there were still dangerous and experienced German fighter pilots!

[Scharfschutzen1]

@kaa13 I have to disagree with the "much better" i would say "much outnumbered" in engagements.

[Xiolablu3]

@Scharfschutzen1 Thi s is false.  The other nations had just as good pilots, the German flew until they died or were incapacitated. The RAF and USAAF pilots were rotated out after so many tours to become instructors.

[Scharfschutzen1]

@Xiolablu3 Deutschland has had the very finest combat pilots in aviation history with experience second to none.

[Xiolablu3]

@Scharfschutzen1 You really do subscribe to the 'aryan supermen' theory dont you? The whole mentiality of German pilots was different. In the RAF building up a 'score' was massively frowned upon' as it should be a team effort , not a selfish act, RAF placed very low importance on a pilots 'score'. and so did the RAF pilots. In germany you had something akin to a squadron of pilots going out so their single 'Ace' could add another kill to his score. In the RAF it was a total team effort.

[Scharfschutzen1]

@Xiolablu3 No, just historical fact, do you have a habit of making an ass of yourself on the internet?

[dobravery]

@Scharfschutzen1 It is a historical fact.  Call it experience, tradition, or what have you. That is why German pilots naturally chewed up the Soviet air force despite the Soviet aircraft having similar capabilities to the Me109. I don't think the Germans had the luxury of pilot rotation. Maybe pilot rotation is better for an air force, but the question was were German pilots more elite--to which, they were.

[dobravery]

@Xiolablu3 Necessity is the mother of invention. RAF v Luft early on. . . RAF tactics reflected the idea that they need to bring as many guns to bear on the German bombers as possible. As such, recording kills is more vague. Also bombers shot down can be verified. The Luft fighters priority were other fighters. It made sense to have the exp pilot in the kill position and a younger covering. Kill tallies were important in assessing RAF strengths, as there were no ground verifications.

[chrisonlineful]

@kaa13 Was für einen Schwachsinn ihr wirklich glaubt. Ihr habt den ganzen Krieg, auch gegen die Luftwaffe, nur mit einer Materialschlacht durchführen können. Das lag ganz sicher nicht an der Klasse oder ähnlichem. Zusätzlich zu eurer Angst habt ihr noch die Russen mit Material gefüttert. Wäre die USA mit ihrer Materialflut nicht zugestoßen hätten die Briten aber ziemlich beschissen aus der Wäsche geguckt.

[PPPatrickWWW]

What show is this from? (I don't get the military channel)

[ANIKES]

Mr. Chuck Yeager, I send you my deep respects, to you, as one of the greatest pilots and aviators.

[yellowtail3]

@ANIKES (it ain't Chuck Yeager...)

[19Truth53]

Why don't you suck his dick while you're at it, you fawning military prick

[JaleelJohanson62]

@19Truth53 Shut the fuck up and flip those burgers you moron...

[grumpypant]

They should have use "Black 6" for this presentation 'cause that is one ugly "109"!

[MegaLiopleurodon]

@grumpypant - I wouldn't call it exactly 109, because it doesn't deserve that number. It's an ugly so-called "Bouchon", powered by a Merlin engine, which is an excellent engine, but it totally ruins the classic appearance of the 109.

[PaddyPatrone]

its a spanish buchon, omg what a ugly nose :(

[georgejelfs67]

is a hespano the spanich cptured loads of air frames after the war but had no engines and the english supiled them with rols royce merilin but they modified the engine cowling so thats y it has the lumps on the nose it replced the cannos tho

[grazyarnie]

@PaddyPatrone

demonstrates best how big the Merlin was in comparision to the DB 605. I would say the Me 109 must have been 1/3 bigger than the normal fuselage. Look at the dimensions of these birds, the Spitfire is larger than the 109, I would say 33 percent (1/3) ;o)

Mark Hannah was killed in a Bucchon, I pretend that the heavy chin of the HA1112 played a big role in his fatal accident. The Merlin simply is to heavy and oversized for the rather tiny fuselage of the Me109

[PaddyPatrone]

the merlin was smaller than the DB605 ;)

merlin - 27 liters

DB605 - 35 liters

[grazyarnie]

@PaddyPatrone

I wasnt reffering to the piston displacement, I was referring to the overall dimensions. I am aware of the displacements, but all other aggregates and auxillary systems of the Merlin seem to be the reason for the bigger need for room...I mean look at the Buchon, looks like a greyhound with the head of a bulldog...I like the Merlin...but it definetly is unappropriate for the Me109 fuselage

[PaddyPatrone]

hmmm i don`t think so, i saw both engines at the German Technicmuseum in Berlin.

watch my Video

i think the dimensions of the DB605 are bigger, the point is that the DB605 was a hanging V12, thats why the bf109 with the DB looks so much better ;)

[grazyarnie]

@PaddyPatrone

okay, that makes sense, thx for the profound answer, I will go and wath Your video...once more thx pal

[grazyarnie]

@grazyarnie

I was informed that the DB 60X was much bigger than the Merlin but the layout was different....the pistons were upside-down and therefore it was a brilliant fit to the Me109 fuselage and all other upside piston engines does misfit to the bird, the Me 109

[trupr]

There also was a shortage of targets towards the end of the war as the Luftwaffe rarely sent their precious few pilots and planes up except to engage bomber raids headed towards key targets.

Not to mention the shortage of fuel.

Don't get me wrong, much respect for all pilots who flew in WW2. The Germans had some of the best. Marseilles,Galland, Barkhorn, Rall, Nowotny and Hartmann were all some of the best pilots the world will ever see. And their kill totals will never be bested.

[stukabomber44]

16 and a quarter... not bad... eric hartmann bagged 352...

[trupr]

Hartmann as well as most Luftwaffe pilots fought until they were dead or the war's end. They also fought against inferior planes/pilots during the early parts of the war. USAAF pilots were usually rotated back home after their tour was up and trained new recruits. Because of this, their combat time was vastly reduced.

[Dogmeat1950]

ya well Eric hartmann never got rotated back to the states to train other pilots. also Rudel was the best German pilot.

[Scorpac]

poor, its not a 109

[PETEEAT]

its not a 109 it's a hispano buchon(pidgeon!)

a 109 g10/14 body with a rr merlin 66 engine/and hispano cannons

a very hot ship with excellent climb/min the spanish used them till the mid 50's

[p38nightlightning]

the airframe is a 109, earlier in the show the owner says it was built in 43 but because a db 605 is hard to get a hold of he just put a merllin in it

[grazyarnie]

the reason why it looks so "misfitting" is easy quite simple...it looks like 1957 Mercedes 300 SL bodyframe attached with a Rolls Royce Silver Cloud front end, the comparision is in order cause the engine of the Silver Cloud was used in some race cars..as the Merlin was used with bombers..so get a 300 SL even the Gullwing and attach a Rolls Royce Silver Cloud cowling and front-end you will get a Mercedes looking as ugly as the HA 1112 Buchon..I prefer the Avia S199 even if the Jumo was crappy

[sarntelias]

Yes these were used in the 1969 'Battle of Britain' film ex Spanish airforce.

[NunoCRFX]

Is this Bf 109 an original one???I can´t understand if is it or not!!

[crescentcityarts]

REAL German ACES love Bud!!!

[crescentcityarts]

bud is a good man!!! germans love bud!!!! great dog fighters love each other!!!

[RussRamz]

That young guy is a tool...

[goofywilly]

These episodes and this guy are very irritating!! God Damn !!! the contrived "dogfights" the irritating microphoe chatter and all this faked

computer imagery adds up to a very

sad production overall!!! just interview the heroes show the plane and the old cool footage and shut the fuck up!!! Fkn idiots!!!

[highgear466]

both the Messerschmidt and Focke Wulf were worthy opponnts to the allies

[deseryve]

BF 109 is the correct technical name! (Bayerische Flugzeugwerke)

but the propaganda called it me 109 (like the new Messerschmitt AG)

Willy Messerschmitt wanted to call it ME, but the RLM disagreed!

but THIS is a HA 1112...a rolls royce merlin engined messerschmitt....its not as good as the original and for sure not so beautiful, but this combination is interesting^^

british engine in a german plane^^

[Sephy7777]

Finally, thank you! People should stop using not proper ME prefix.

[deseryve]

i dont care about that anymore^^

i think everyone else should find his favourite name, because both were used finally in history, so what ever^^

but its a shame to call it ME on videos or airshows

i prefer BF because its correct ;-)

[paul6t4]

Technically speaking, British engine, German design, Spanish built aircraft.

[deseryve]

right, thats what i am saying :)

[EXITUS01]

this plane is called BF 109

[Zippercdrr]

Its more or less interchangable. Your common man will identify the name ME-109, over a BF-109

[IK1963]

That is a Spanish Me109, with a Merlin for power! The materials in the plane aren't worth more than the materials in a Alloy boat of similar size. The cost is the tooling, and labour cost. Then, where do you get a Daimler Benz engine to suit!

[CplNavrasMEC]

Not gonna lie the BF-109 is one of my favorate WW2 airplanes. God I wish they made a civilian verson nowadays! Such a beautiful aircraft. I want one soo damn bad!!! But Im not paying 600K for one.

[Lagomort]

I have 3 really accurate models of the 109. This is how I get over my desire to have the real thing...

[CplNavrasMEC]

I have several games with the plane in them but I cant get over my desire to have a real one!

[Lagomort]

Naw, you need to get the models instead. Games just exasperate the problem. It is worse than watching porn when you are trying to be celibate.

[Locomotivebreath2009]

Last I knew Flug Werks in Germany produces new Fw-190s and P-51 airframes/components.Maybe they will do an Me109/Bf109.

[sardosfish]

this is hispano bf 109 (HA-11129)WITH ROLLS ROYCE MERLIN.other bf 109 made by jugoslavia ofter ww2 with local enigines.beautiful aircraft this ha 11129.

[bilbommer]

On this programs website they have a Finnish ace Ilmari Juutilainen listed as the top scoring allied ace of all time. The fins were fighting the Russians in WWII, don't these people know this? The Germans were giving the Fins BF109s. These guys better do a little reading I think instead of trying to hire cool over the top narrators

and hollywood type editors for their programs. They look pretty stupid when they don't know these basic facts!

[Lagomort]

"On this programs website they have a Finnish ace Ilmari Juutilainen listed as the top scoring allied ace of all time. The fins were fighting the Russians in WWII, don't these people know this?"

Weren't the Russians sided with the Germans at the point they invaded Finland? The Germans had signed a treaty with Russia, which Hitler later broke (by starting Barbarossa). Only after that were the Russians sided with the Allies.

Maybe I am just confused as to your actual point. Am I?

[mroblongo]

Thats a HA-112... Hispain postwar made Bf109...

[bilbommer]

Very cool. Bud's a very nice man.

[Divided09]

great but I wish they had a real 109 there. That 109's got a merlin in it not a DB

[GothicKnight2]

Whoa! That guy's got to be in his mid-80s and he's still flying! Pretty impressive!

[tucker1012]

Bravo!!

[Alekszandrovitch]

Good Video

[pirateman789]

Great video!!