The Conservative Nanny State Pt. 1

[superwrench4]

Did this asshole GIVE the books away?

[metalreign81]

In the first place nobody is forced onto SSI

If he doesn't want it get off of it and get a fucking job------good luck

If he was making twice as much that working then that means he was making 1200$ a month---thats still well below the poverty line----was that his big "Career Move" a move to "McDonalds"

You can collect SSI and still work--many people work part time jobs that are on SSI

also he should look into low income housing---but oh wait the GOP destroyed that ----sorry Kyle

[D0g63rt]

You know... you know... you know...

[zamkam]

The issues he mentions are NOT advocated by conservatives. Anyone who's read the "free trade" agreements knows they're not about free markets. If we had a true free market we wouldn't need those agreements in the first place.

[mainestategop]

If they are advocating this S**T then they are NOT CONSERVATIVES. They are traitors.

I'll believe it... When Nancy Pelosi switches over to the GOP and The Gore family and Bobby Byrd do the same.

[Freedomwarrior123]

Bush advocated many of those thing...............

and he was a conservative and was even elected twice..........

it seem the American people WANT to live in a nanny state.

a nanny state is a FAR right society.

much like Fascism who control everything their citizen do.

[mainestategop]

@ANTIFreedomwarrior123 Wrong. Bush was a liberal republican. A Nanny state is FAR left society. And no the american people desire a free society not a nanny state. Those that do are free to go live in China or Russia.

[Freedomwarrior123]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......... yea BLAME the liberal.......those evil rat commie fascist liberal!

its a mode in your country......

when a conservative act like an asshole brand him as a liberal.

bush was highly conservative he was part of the religious right.

you know the same group of rush Limbaugh and pat Robertson.

[Freedomwarrior123]

also i did not say I wanted a nanny state so dont insult my nickname because im 100% for freedom!(ANTIfreedomwarrior123­).

and nanny state is not far left.

go ask Singapore. its a nanny state and tell em they are far left.............

stupid far right hypocrite who think their side is perfect...........nothing is perfect kid NOTHING.

[mainestategop]

@Freedomwarrior123 You don't even know what right and left mean. Bush pretended to be Christian but he supported lifting don't ask don't telland even went to worship at a shinto shrine in Japan. He was also part of Skull and Bones.

10 years ago we were eating Singapore's lunch. They had far more poverty and unemployment and beggars dying in the streets. Another failure for socialism.

And the nanny state the left wants is something straight out of Orwell's worst nightmare.

[Freedomwarrior123]

*you don't even know what right and left mean*

i forgot that you are mister right.........

in your idea all right wing are perfect...........

wake up call buddy.

get a education and make some research and you will see that the right wing isn't perfect.

and to call bush a leftist is stupid.......

its like calling Stalin a rightist.

at least WE admit our miss take.

Stalin was a shame to the left but i don't say he was a rightist just to wash my hand off him.

[Freedomwarrior123]

Bush was rightist.

Pinochet was rightist.

Mussolini was rightist.

so i just named 3 rightist asshole.

lets name 3 left asshole to be even.

Stalin was leftist (a shame in my opinion)

Fidel castro is leftist.

Hugo chavez is leftist.

but all these 6 people were FAR RIGHT/LEFT.

both side have asshole and extremist this is the sad truth.

[Freedomwarrior123]

Singapore is a Far Right society.

get your fact straight.

[Freedomwarrior123]

*another failure for socialism*

Singapore isn't even socialist...........

[mainestategop]

@Freedomwarrior123 Its you who needs to get your fact straight.

[Freedomwarrior123]

haha.................

bring me proof that Singapore is a Far left society.

then I'll bring my proof that it is far right.

you right winger are so arrogant and full of yourself that you think each one of you is a prophet.

at least WE when we make a mistake we admit it.

but the right wing are too coward to admit their error.

[Freedomwarrior123]

cant forget you called G.W bush a left winger.................

that is the funniest comment i ever read.

[Freedomwarrior123]

conservative suffer from *messiah syndrome*

each one of them believe he is the voice of truth and all other opinion are bullshit.

when a conservative screw thing up (bush) they all blame the Liberal who were not in power at the time.

obama is trying to fix the mess bush left.

but you guy are too blinded by paranoia and red scare that you don't even see what the guy really do.

[Freedomwarrior123]

you know when you lose your job the little check you get from the mail to pay the bill while you look for a new job? well that is socialism.

socialism is what preventing you idiot ass from becoming homeless if you lose your job.

[mainestategop]

So how come it didn't prevent Kyle Prince from losing his job? I was his friend back when I still lived in Maine. He gets 600$ in SSI (not enough to live off of anywhere.) He cannot work because employers using government background checks find out he gets it and decide they don't want to hire him. He has been homeless for over 7 months. He was forced on SSI by his socialist parents and a liberal judge all because he was raped as a child. He used to earn twice that much. But along came socialism

[Freedomwarrior123]

then the problem is those who don't hire him for that stupid reason.

and you said he was FORCED on it?

well that wrong no one have to be forced on something.

also my friend hating too much liberal might be wrong because liberal keep the balance.....with no liberal come FAR right policie. you may enjoy right wing policies but you wont enjoy FAR right way of life.

example of a FAR right system is the Italian Fascist party of Mussolini.

[mainestategop]

Oh puhlease. Italy then was FAR Left. THAT is the life Kyle prince now experiences.

and the liberals didn't see anything wrong with making him lose his job and his life savings to qualify for SSI. His doctor didn't, his parents didn't. The waldo County sheriff didn't, DHHS Maine and California didn't, Social Security didn't. In fact despite earning almost 6 digits and being married, psychiatrists didn't see it that way. Watch psychiatry and industry of death to see what else liberals do.

[metzger90]

@Freedomwarrior123 No, Fascism is not a right-wing political philosophy. The "right" wing stands for freedom and the separation between government and the individual. All fascism and Nazism are is socialism with private property. If you look deeply into those systems you find they are simply privately owned businesses producing only what they are told to produce and sell it for only what they are told to sell it for. Libertarianism is a right wing philosophy, vote for voluntaryism.

[Freedomwarrior123]

Mussolini was not FAR LEFT............ he was FAR RIGHT.

why you right wing guy cant accept that you aren't perfect...........

why do you need to blame the liberal for what a rightist did ?

we take responsibility for Stalin (that deluded fool)

but you guy cant take responsibility for Pinochet and Mussolini............

those 2 were right wing.

[Freedomwarrior123]

why you guy need to be coward like that..........

you cant see your own error so you blame Liberal for it.

and you dont even know what Liberalism is........

Liberalism and socialism don't mix buddy.

[mainestategop]

@Freedomwarrior123 My Error? I know Im not perfect I just said so below.

And most liberals I know worship stalin.

[Freedomwarrior123]

@mainestategop

if a liberal worship stalin THAT mean he is a STALINIST and no longer a Liberal.

[boing3887]

markets dont exist in a vacuum but are composed of people interacting with eachother and thus whatever affeccts people affects markets. government policy thus has a huge role in forming markets. markets aren't some existing entity like an animal that is acted upon or can be interfered with, since it's made up of people, we CREATE it. thus, the idea of some perfect, unfettered market out there is a kinda fantasy. of course there're markets, but it's always a creation of society and govt.

[metzger90]

@boing3887 No just society. Governments can not create markets. Capitalism is a natural system. You give away something you value at 1 to someone else. That same person gives you something they value at 1. What you received you value at 2, and the same with them. That is the basis of capitalism, subjective value. All capitalist transactions are win-win because if they were not you wouldn't participate in them.

[boing3887]

@metzger90

"Governments cannot create markets." Wrong - the govt. WAS the market for computers and internet for those technologies' early few decades of existence. "capitalism is a natural system." there is no one capitalism - there are many capitalisms. Chinese capitalism is a type of capitalism, and guess what, it features lots of elements of public planning. Also, capitalist institutions are not "natural" but are constructed both through intentional and unintentional action.

[boing3887]

@metzger90

I don't know what you mean by capitalism being about "subjective value" - if you're saying that's what economics claims, then that's wrong. Capitalism according to economics is supposed to be about rational action of OBJECTIVE value - if you start bringing in subjective value then you start bringing in cultural norms, religious values, social moral codes, etc.

[boing3887]

@metzger90

Political scientists, anthropologists, and sociologists often talk about the roles that "subjective meaning" and non-rational behavior and thinking play in the economy, but I doubt that what they have found will support your views. You need to take an economic history course to find how market capitalism actually developed in the past, and you also need to take a class in economic theory because your models of how the economy works seems a bit simplistic

[carcabe]

Government interference in the free interactions of people(the market) is ALWAYS an attempt to cheat reality. Insane and childish. It's a game of let's pretend. Let's pretend that everyone has earned and can afford a house. Let's pretend that everyone is equally credit worthy. Let's take money from some people and give it to others so we all can pretend that they are prosperous.

You can fool reality only for so long. Then it all comes crashing down. Reality always wins. Game Over.

[gealwhi]

Absolute statements, like carcabe has made here, are the ramblings of a fool. I know from experience, having been that fool in the past. So I have much in common with carcabe, and thankfully, much differs. This economy does not exist without a prosperous middle class. Indeed this country will not long exist if the rich are left to their own devices, unchecked. They must be governed into balance because, as they have shown us, their greed knows no bounds. Plus they can afford it.

[metzger90]

@gealwhi So the greed of politicians (who force you to part with your money at the barrel of a gun) is preferable to the greed of businessmen (who can only convince you to give them your money? The government is the problem, not business.

[Crickettedog]

Doesn't this guy know that the NAU will cancel out everything he says. George Bush, Mexico and Canada signed an agreement in 2005 that will open all borders, and at that time the USA will lose its sovereignity forever. At that time, the dollar will no longer exist and all countries will use the Amero. There is no difference between the Republican and Democratic parties. They are both corrupt. NAFTA was put in place as a step toward the New World Order. BTW, Martial Law was Declared on 01 Oct.

[lumpagogo]

USA will lose its sovereignity forever

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Peoples:

Why you didn't figure out that one murder committed by an immigrant vs an American citizen is one murder too many?

Why you peoples can't think?

[lumpagogo]

That's strange; open a phone book to see whether or not there are large numbers of foreign doctors in the U.S.

Hint, there are.

[johnnymv14]

just because a doctor has a foreign name doesn't mean they're a foreign born/educated doctor. we're a nation of immigrants and everybody has 'foreign' names. baker is talking about doctors who were trained in another country... not an american who was educated at johns hopkins but has a funny name because his/her parents immigrated from india.

[lumpagogo]

born/educated doctor. we're a nation of immigrants and everybody has 'foreign' names.

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The hidden agends hides no longer; he whom insists we are not under seige is a seige-bringer.

[johnnymv14]

The hidden agendas? A siege? (I before E except after C, pal. Elementary school, remember?) A siege-bringer? Your like that belligerent homeless man carrying a sign that says: "THE END IS NEAR!" Anyway, about hidden agendas... there is nothing hidden about the United States encouraging immigration. The Statue of Liberty itself says: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." It should continue by saying: "...and bring your doctors, lawyers, and PHDs

[lumpagogo]

"Your" no one to talk about wordsmithing, Johnny. You shouldn't oughtta lecture, either.

We've lost 50,000,000 mfg jobs since circa 1972; we have exhausted the need for new malls and chain-store dumps of all types

so that most of our 95,000,000 current legals and illegals aren't needed either, at this point in time.

Are you hip to the riff of factual information, Johnny-Statue of Anarchy?

[ord1711]

Dean Baker is terrific--check his blog at The American Prospect, called 'Beat the Press.'

[Crickettedog]

@ord1711: Mainstream media has been censored by the Bush administration for the past several years. I wonder if this guy know that there are troops on US soil right now.