@TheJCJexe You will know the truth. Part of what Connally says in the video is very important. What he says doesn't prove anything, it is just consistent with other proof. If you can explain in detail what Connally says, you can solve the mystery.
#1. When Connally was hit from behind, he was knocked FORWARD. When JFK was hit in the head supposedly from behind, he is knocked BACKWARD. It seems physics works differently for JFK than Connally.
#2. Connally clearly states the brain matter was all over the BACK OF THE LIMO. Tell me, how does a bullet which exits the front of JFK's melon leave his brains all over the BACK of the fucking limo?!?! Jackie even tried to retrieve some of it. COME ON MAN!
Connelly is WRONG in his recollection. He looked behind him after Kennedy was shot in the throat, and as he looked behind him he leaned into his wife (it looks like it). Then he moves to face forward as Kennedy is shot in the head, and moments later him and his wife react violently to something and he goes flying forward. This tells me that he was hit in the back AFTER the head shot that killed JFK.
@Scorehound No one, not one tries to explain how Connally turned around with an exit wound in his chest about the size of a baseball. HOW DID HE TURN AROUND? The bullet that hit him in the back punctured his lung, broke out about 10 cm of his rib, broke his wrist and you see he turned around to look over his right shoulder and then was facing forward @ the time he was bent over.
Of course Connally was shot in the back A F T E R JFK's head shot, that is when JGC is bent over. It is OBVIOUS!
@Scorehound Your correct. JFKs neck wound only hit JFK. But the sound made the Gov look back. The head shot hit both JFK and the Gov at the same time. If you line up the shot from where the car was and the positions of each man the bullet had to of come from the back towards the county records office. No way did it come from the book building. Physically impossible. There were 4-5 shots.The missed shots ended up hitting a curb, the other was heard flying over the grassy area from behind JFK.
@pajasa62 Hey, man!! I'm with you! I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals like you. It's live and let live as far as I'm concerned. Homosexuals are God's children, too. Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean you're a bad person. That's what I say. So when did you first realize you were a faggot?
there's no way that shot at 1.14 DIDN'T whack Kennedy from the FRONT. Connally was hit from behind and leaned FORWARD why wouldn't Kennedy if Oswald was the only shooter?
@vlunney Obviously Connally was bent over by a shot from behind that hit him in the back and JFK was bent back and to his left by a shot from his right front.
THAT IS OBVIOUSLY TRUE. So how do you prove it? It's not as hard as you've been led to believe. The correct order is that JFK was shot in the head and then Connally was shot in the back from a shot from behind.
so kennedy getshit in the back of the throat and that shot hits connally in the back, but the LAST shot we see is of kennedy getting whacked from the front which we know from the way kennedys head leans BACK and the splatter of the wound.he's leaninf forward then his head snaps BACK.
@vlunney If you watch the video and understand that Connally says the bullet that hit him in the back "BENT ME OVER." you can know the truth.
Watch ANY Zarpruder film. When is Connally bent over? He is bent over A F T E R JFK is shot in the head! If you read my book you'll see that the last TWO shots were fired a split second apart, BANG-BANG. That is the biggest secret in US Government history.
The best part of the book? How the Government covers up the truth!
@SCGATOR2001 And someone was using a high power semi auto sniper rifle with scope back at the county records office. Something like a Russian Dragunov rifle. Oswald was set up.
@SCGATOR2001 Yes, the correct order is "that JFK was shot in the head and then Connally was shot in the back...". So, let´s think about the fakery of Connally just in time of the first shot that hit JFKs throat. Why did he behave like that? What did he really do in this second? Why does he lift his shoulder ... taking the gun from inside of his jacket. Just to look that it was still there?
Can't you respond or challenge what I say about the Alyea film? Or are you just continuously responding like ROBOT and quote some conspiracy book and masquerade it as fact?
@pajasa62 Are you talking to me here? All the quotes are taken DIRECTLY from the original film clips contained within the DVD "Evidence of Revision". It's not from a book... it's from REALITY.
If you are going to IGNORE context, do you think that is helpful? Ruby had a DEATH SENTENCE hanging over him and it was in a day when there were not endless appeals like today.
It is laughable to consider that Ruby would admit being part of a conspiracy when his appeal team was trying to discredit Judge Brown and the damaging Dallas Police testimony to get the 1st verdict overturned!
@pajasa62 "Both JFK & RFK used the CIA in more devious ways than arguably any other President in U.S. history!"
You make it sound like you were privy to the inner workings of the United States government. If you weren't there (and I am assuming you were not) - then HOW WOULD YOU KNOW!? Unless, of course, you *are* (or were) a CIA agent!
Connally is a fucking liar and a bad one. several things wrong with his story:
first of all if u hear a rifle-shot, u don't turn around in the direction of the sound to see if more bullets are coming your way, especially if u are hit! u fucking hit the floor!!!
then he says he said, "they are gonna kill us all" but no-one in that vehicle tried to get their heads down! not one!
It's funny that Governor Connally himself says the shot that hit JFK in the neck and the shot that hit him were two different shots and yet major TV organizations like the Discovery Channel continue making shows debunking the "magic bullet" idea, arguing that 1 bullet did cause all of the wounds in question.
Warren Report line was that 3 shots were fired, First shot--miss second--through jfk to hit connally, and third-head shot. Connally is saying he didn't get hit until he already was in midt turn--that he was hit as he was turning back left.
Why then did Kennedy grab his throat, put up his arms several frames before connally reacts? Kennedy was in his second reaction and jackie was pulling him down by the tie connally is hit. basic forensic disparity--forget everything else.
Connelly knew that the shooting was going to happen, but he didn't realize that HE was going to be the one riding in the car with JFK. It was supposed to be Ralph Yarbrough, but JFK insisted that Connelly be the one to ride with him, which infuriated LBJ. It makes you wonder if maybe JFK sensed that something might happen, so if it was Connelly in the car, there would be less chance of an "incident" happening. Take a look at any photo of Connelly that day; he looks like a nervous wreck.
the first shot missed 27 feet from Kennedy's head, excuse me but at 60 yards away and with a scoped rifle, that is impossible to miss that far. A warning shot?
what the HELL, then two perfect shots, sure don't sound like the same guy fired all three shots. not counting oswald had no trace of powder on his hands and he was also being charged for shooting a cop that day, but no powder on his hands, come on.
@jfkjacqueline I think you mean "ACTED" and he was the "FALL GUY" (Though NOT the old T.V. Series)or he had just eaten before the Assassination took place.
I usualy laugh at conspiracy nuts, but the one unsettling thing about the whole story is when Connelly says "they". Not only does he indicate multiple assassins, but you would think a more appropriate phrase would have been "Sombody's trying to kill us all" or "We're being shot at". Its like he knew who was shooting at him already. Or maybe even he knew it was going to happen, but didnt think he was going to get hit too! Why would you say "they"? Was he talking about the crowd? Its unsettling.
@wehl3318 "THEY" is the ONLY thing you find unsettling?
One reason we are still talking about this "mystery" 47 years later is that the Warren Commission scenario of one shooter, three shots from behind does NOT match many of the witnesses. One witness is John Connally.
Listen again, Connally says "THE FORCE OF THE BULLET BENT ME OVER"
WHEN do you see Connally bent over? 5.5 seconds AFTER he first reacts when the WC says Connally was shot in the back- his description does NOT Match
@SCGATOR2001 Don't do a disservice and misquote or guess at the facts. The REAL FACTS. The majority of witnesses interviewed by Police and FBI on Nov. 22 and 23 idetified the shots coming from the TSDP OR at least Behind and above. And a full 76 percent of witnesses THEN and LATER said three shots. Next closest: 10 percent said "two or three shots" Connelly, not long before his death, also identified on the Zapruder film whene he believes he was hit. Answer: Frame 224.
@oldmac1 - True, but you have to remember that there were FAR more people in the area of the TSBD, than there were in the area of the grassy knoll. And yes, it's true that most people said it was 3 shots, which proves it was a conspiracy, since the Warren Commission said that 3 empty shell casings were found on the 6th floor of the TSBD, yet the FBI photos show that they had, in fact found, 2 empty shell casings, and 1 live round. That's all the proof you need.
@LongLiveOx I appreciate the fact that you responded politely and professionally. I haven't been getting much of that lately. It is really appreciated. I'll send you some references by private message if that's ok. This exact issue was brought up by the Warren Commission because there absolutely was a notable glaring discrepancy. I can't post it all here because it's too long. But there is a close up of that third "shell" that clearly shows it is a spent shell. I will send it
@wehl3318 this interview is a while after the assassination he now knows who the assassin is that is why he used they and from the video you can see the there are two shooters or two bullets. i just wanted to ass the last part as my opinion to the subject.
@wehl3318 Absolutely agree! Unless he had prior knowledge that an assassination attempt was going to happen, you would not say "My God! They are going to kill us all!". You would say "I've been hit!" or "I've been shot!" or "My God - I'm hit!". As is stands, it seems he knew what was coming, but had been told not to worry because both he and his wife would not be hurt, and was therefore both surprised and alarmed when he discovered that he himself had suddenly been shot.
"Connally knew what was coming , but told not to worry"
Yeah, he is in THE LINE OF FIRE in a freakin' MOVING OBJECT...I guess he just "took one for the team" after he got over the (as you put it) "surprise and alarm" that he was almost fatally shot. Any ideas why Connally hated JFK to the point he accepted going along with a murder plot potentially and actually so risky to him and his wife?
@pajasa62 Any ideas why Connally hated JFK to the point he accepted going along with a murder plot potentially and actually so risky to him and his wife? No idea, can only imagine he was able to be convinced it was "necessary", for the sake of the country (?). It's possible he was threatened himself.
Yes, no idea, because there is NOTHING that suggests such nonsense that Connally wanted JFK killed,,,then you just throwup "it's possible (Connally) was threatened himself"....MORE NONSENSE! You show no standards of proof for your statements my friend.
@pajasa62 One doesn't need proof to have an opinion. Millions of people on this planet believe in the existence of a supreme being, God, if you like, without any proof whatsoever that would stand up in a court of law. You are free to believe whatever you like and so am I. My mind is always open to the truth, but I am entitled to make my mind up on my own, because I still know how to think. Good luck to you.
@pajasa62 Lyndon Johnson was in big trouble due to the Bobby Baker scandal and the Billy Sol Estes scandal, which could “destroy Lyndon Johnson’s career”. Lyndon Johnson would go to jail, and he represented all the right-wing forces. “The Governor of Texas is Lyndon Johnson’s best friend in history – they went back decades together. In the 1948 vote scandal John Connelly was very much a part of that cover-up that took place – he was Johnson’s campaign manager. " From 'Evidence of Revision'
@pajasa62 "It is without question John Connelly who entices John F. Kennedy to Texas. Once they get him there then they’re in control of everything – motorcade routes, the evidence, the Dallas Police, everything. It’s their land – it’s their territory. Lyndon Johnson and his Texas cronies suckered President Kennedy into Texas.”
You masquerade a quote as fact....and what? Nobodies going to notice that bullshit?
You have Connally as the sinister force behind JFK's assassination...to put himself (and his wife) IN THE LINE OF FIRE IN A MOVING OBJECT????.... To be wounded, almost fatally???
Yeah pal, that's a real persuasive argument...give it up man!
Typical BULLSHIT! And who was to be the guest in the hugh Presidential limo?...Castro? Khrushchev? (when Connally was with JFK in all the other Texas motorcades)
Stop making crap up...you have ZERO, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Connally being the driving force behind the assassination only to put himself in the line of fire to be almost fatally shot.
Like all conspiracy theorists...alll you have to do is challenge their bullshit.
@pajasa62 Lol, you sure get worked up about this, sunshine. Are you related to Connally?
In 1947 Jack Ruby testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee as an informant for the FBI and was on the staff of Republican congressman Richard M. Nixon!!
Typical of conspiracy theorists...you can't defend your position of Connally being the driving force behind the assassination only to put himself in the line of fire...no problem, just move on to another topic.
ARE YOU SITTING? The 1947 document linking Ruby to Nixon is quite interesting, but it has one little problem...the letterhead of the document has an address zip code that DID NOT EXIST IN 1947!!
Even most conspiracy theorists run for cover when it comes to this nonsense!
@pajasa62 In the hours following the assassination a mysterious fingerprint was found in the sniper’s nest of the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building. The fingerprint was only identified in 1998 as belonging to Malcolm Wallace, LBJ’s henchman and the convicted killer of Dougas Kinser!
Malcolm Wallace died on the night of January 7, 1971 in a single-car accident on a stretch of Texas Highway. There were no witnesses. [ Funny that!]
I destroy your worthless ideas REPEATEDLY and what do you do?...QUICK! Change the topic!!!
Then you bring up a claim, only found in a conspiracy book...with ZERO proof...and then we are to believe that the plotters WAIT 7-1/2 YEARS to kill someone...someone that has been SILENT for 7-1/2 YEARS - and "murder" him via a traffic accident!
@pajasa62 D.H. Byrd, another wealthy Texan with close ties to Johnson, *owned* the Texas School Book Depository Building; he also *founded* the Civil Air Patrol. Lee Harvey Oswald was a member of the Civil Air Patrol. More co-incidence?
PS. You sure sound like an angry person. Quite frustrated, too.
"Byrd a wealthy Texan with close ties ti LBJ owned the Texas School Book Depository"
????
Marina Oswald (who is in the 9th MONTH of her prgnancy) has a husband who is looking for a job & has just got his last unemployment check. Marina is having coffee with Ruth Paine & Lennie M. Randle (whose brother works at the Depository). She recommends it and Roy Truly hires Oswald after an interview.
Roger Craig, Deputy Sheriff, “My interest was to get up to the grassy knoll.” then Craig describes how they searched the 6th floor of the depository building and found 3 spent cartridges (“neatly arranged”) and a rifle. “Stamped right on the barrel of the rifle was *7.65 Mauser*. The shells we found came from a 6.5 Italian rifle. The two don’t relate.”
DVD "Evidence of Revision" is available at Amazon.com
With the Depository sealed in 7 minutes and aside from the investigators, there were members of TV and print media (Biffle, Allman, Ford, Alyea, etc) given access to follow the investigators around. WFAA-TV's Tom Alyea took clear close-up footage of the rifle (and the film was shown on WFAA-TV about 3 pm on 11/22). In 47 years of the film NO ONE has pointed out characteristics of it being ANYTHING BUT a Mannlicher-Carcano.
@pajasa62 An affidavit signed by Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman stated that the rifle found was a 7.65 Mauser. Multiple news reports mention a German-made 7.65 Mauser. You can see them in Evidence of revision.
Footage in "Evidence of revision" shows a second rifle behind the one being displayed.
JFK fired Allen Dulles (long time Director of the CIA), and General Cabelle, his deputy. General Cabelle was the brother of the Mayor of Dallas at the time of the assassination!
All you do is parrot the same crap...can't you respond to my detailed responses?
Weitzman & Boone readily admitted on camera that the were referring to the "Mauser bolt-action" - the Mannlicher-Carcano being a hybrid (Mannlicher a German word) and that WW II surplus flooded the market...Day and Fritz were the only ones handling the weapon...CBS-TV showed the 2 rifles side by side and they were almost identical! Theorists act like it was comparing a Volkswagon & a Cadillac - NO!
@pajasa62 Fritz was part of it. Fritz described Oswald as being “Very co-operative” adding that Oswald had “admitted nothing yet”, then goes on to say that “without going into the evidence, this case is cinched!” Ruby acts at the very moment the car horn sounds (signalled). Captain Fritz hardly reacts to the sound of Ruby shooting Oswald; in fact he calmly stands there doing nothing and arguably shields the way forward to prevent intervention in the shooting and of help reaching Oswald quickly.
Yes...without going into the evidence. He is not go into every detail (gun ownerships, ballistic findings, Tippet slaying, etc, etc) and try the case...not as he is giving a press conference, but merely walking from office to office being ambushed by reporters that turned the entire 3rd floor into a mob scene.
"Oswald is shot the very moment a car horn sounds (signalled)...SO WHAT IS THIS SIGNAL?
Here is the reality...the car is BACKING DOWN A RAMP WITH PEOPLE IN THE WAY.....OK?
@pajasa62 I didn't say Oswald was "shot" at the very moment a car horn sounds. Ruby waits for the signal and then *reacts* immediately after the car horn sounds. There are no people standing in the way where the back of the car appears. Mr. Oswald was killed just one hour before he was due to appear at his first full press conference.
PS. At the time of his firing, General Cabelle said to Kennedy “If this were England, I’d have to go. But this is America, and you have to go!”
@peecee1384 I'm talking the reality of a car driving BACKWARDS DOWN A RAMP...God forbid someone sneezes and I'm sure THAT TOO would be a sign.
And do you know any example of a mob-type hit on an individual (real life or in the movies...on earth or Mars) where the hitman uses a single shot to the BELLY?....or instead of having a getaway driver, he had his DOG waiting for him in the car?
1. “a conspiracy… if you knew the true facts you’d be amazed at it.”
2.: “The people who have so much to gain and who had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I’m in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world.”
3."If Adlai Stevenson was Vice President there would never have been an assassination of our beloved president Kennedy. The answer is the man in office now [Lyndon B. Johnson].”
4.Everything pertaining to what’s happening has never come to the surface… the world will never know the true facts of what occurred, my motives. In other words, I’m the only person in the background that knows the truth pertaining to everything relating to my circumstances”.
Ruby is seen on film lingering in the halls with reporters at Police Headquarters. Hardly a spur-of the-moment decision. He was waiting for an opportunity and for the go-ahead from above.
Look at the film! Ruby is in a courtroom flanked by his appeal lawyers Sol Dann and Elmer Gertz...the appeal process was to get the 1st trial conviction & it's death sentence overturned & get a new trial moved out of Dallas.
EVERYTHING he is saying is aimed at 1st trial Judge Brown (disqualified during appeal), the Dallas Police (their damaging testimony thrown out on appeal) & a new trial was granted and set for Witchita Falls, Texas.
@pajasa62 Not true. Of the 4 quotes only Number 4 is in a courtroom. "EVERYTHING he is saying is aimed at 1st trial Judge Brown" - I'd like to know by what right you are able to decide what Ruby's statements mean or don't mean. But that's the whole point of shutting him up, isn't it?
***Proverbs 29:9
If a wise person goes to court with a fool, the fool rages and scoffs, and there is no peace.***
By the very context in which the statements took place...WHICH ARE BEYOND DISPUTE...by the 2 people that are flanking him (do you seriously think they merely stumbled into the picture?)...MIGHT you be curious as to who they were and their relevance? Elmer Gertz wrote a detailed book "Moment of Madness" providing every bit of detail till Ruby's death.
And how is Ruby ADMITTING he is part of a conspiracy going to help his appeal?....put MORE voltage in the electric chair?
@peecee1384 Show some class and actually RESPOND to what I am writing to you about , instead of trying to save face and move on to another topic because you are afraid to tackle the issue THAT YOU BROUGHT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE!...freakin' baby!
@pajasa62 When Tom Howard (Attorney for Jack Ruby) denies to reporters that there is any type of connection between Jack Ruby and Oswald, a reporter states “A performer says he saw Oswald at Ruby’s Carousel Club” Howard says “I think he is mistaken”. When informed that the witness was a *memory expert*, Howard says “he claims to be”!
@pajasa62 When reporters discuss Jack Ruby with District Attorney Henry Wade. A reporter says: “He seemed to me like a detective, he seemed to be all over this place” adding [to Henry Wade] “looked to me like he was a good friend [of yours]”.
If having a dog in the car proves there was no conspiracy - I say "woof woof!"
Typical of conspiracy theorists...you can't defend your position that Connally is the driving force behind the assassination, only to be in the line of fire...no problem, just move onto another topic.
The 1947 document linking Ruby to Nixon is quite interesting, but with one little problem (are you sitting?) The letterhead of the document has an address zip code THAT DID NOT EXIST IN 1947!!!
Even most conspiracy theorists run for cover than deal with that embarrassing junk!!!!
@peecee1384@pajasa62 has his own inflatable Roger Craig doll which he keeps under his stinking bed and which he fucks on a regular basis. Yes! Yes!! Yeeeeeeeessssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@virtuaI4desires I knew it! I knew it would be only a matter of time before this deluded fruitcake @pajasa62 would start on his 'inner power' rant!! LOL I knew @pajasa62 just HAD to be some kind of fundamentalist nut!!!
May the power be up your ass, @pajasa62 and you're going to rot in fucking hell!!!
Calm down, you don't have to be so upset just because JFK conspiracies can be easily picked off and the whole "movement" fizzled out.
Probably THE WORST thing to happen to you boys was Oliver Stone's "JFK". He spat out so much crap that it made people say "Is this true?" and when you help it under a magnifying glass, one realizes it is all spin, embellishment, assumptions masquerading as facts, ambiguity and as Stone HIMSELF said..."artistic license"
@pajasa62 LOL Calm down? I love it when you show your feminine side!! LOL Calm down. I know you're feeling under pressure at the moment after being exposed as a Roger Craig inflatable doll fan but that's no reason to be bitchy!! Oliver Stone's (Do you have an OS inflatable doll, too?) LOL JFK was probably the BEST thing to happen since it flushed out all you homosexual anti-conspiracy theorists.I am using the word 'theorist' loosely here since you couldn't theorize yourself out of a paper bag.
@OBoyWankiKnobbi Hey, man don't waste your time replying to this loser faggot troll pajasa62.The shit sack's not worth it. He has obviously no fucking idea about what he's talking about.
Be careful he might zap you with his fucking 'inner power'!! LMFAO
I guess you are an inspiration for me to keep posting on these sites just because I get under your skin so much....besides the CIA pays me $25 for each posting I make. (tax free)
@pajasa62 " I guess you are an inspiration for me to keep posting on these sites just because I get under your skin so much....besides the CIA pays me $25 for each posting I make. (tax free)"
Just as I thought!! You're a fucking fantasist!! LOL The CIA wouldn't pay you shit!! LOL
@pajasa62 As for spitting out crap, you know a lot about it. Except you don't spit it out - you SHIT it out!! And it is SHIT! When we check you out under the magnifying glass and if we can find you because you are such a tiny piece of amoeba shit & yet it is possible to see what an embittered ill-informed know-nothing you really are. You spin, you embellish, you assume (generally you don't even assume - you LIE) and you hide in your crap channel like the shitty troll you most definitely are.
A transcript of a recording of a telephone conversation between Johnson and Hoover:
LBJ: “I want to get by just with your file and your report”
Hoover: “It would be very very bad to have a rash of investigations”
LBJ: “Well, the only way we can stop ‘em is probably to appoint a high-level one to evaluate your report, and to put somebody that’s pretty good on it, that I could select, and tell the House and Senate not to go ahead with the investigations”. From 'Evidence of Revision'
@wehl3318, "you laugh at conspiracy nuts" Probably because your too stupid to think for yourself and have to have the government and television think for yourself. Most things you see or are told are lies. Most things are done for financial reasons and power - the 2 work hand and hand.
How many people would have to be involved in a conspiracy this big? FBI, CIA, Mob, Cubans, Russians, Secret Service, Dallas PD, Oswald, Ruby, Bobby Kennedy, Connally, Jackie, LBJ? How many?
@summer03able You'd need only a couple of powerful people, LBJ and J Edgar Hoover. Hoover confiscates the evidence, LBJ gets only ONE investigation instead of many. Hoover feeds the Warren Comm the information needed to get one man fired three shots even though that scenario: IMPOSSIBLE
You ignore witnesses, you forge evidence, you reward people like Specter and Ford who lie and cheat for you, they do it because they got power for selling their souls.
@Gersroolz If Oswald was on the road that would be a strong point considering that the shot of Lancer's head does not match his autopsy photo, there his whole front head was destroyed in seconds but in his autopsy photo his rear head is disintegrated but the entrance hole came from the side indicating that the shot was straight and flat, if a hollow point was used, the shot would come from the ground as if it came from the east the side wound would be much larger than the head wound.
@Ahiboa Mmmmmm indeed, who else then? Nobody has produced another name during my life time, (born 1960) you may be right & fair doos tae you, but, nobody is producing any other suspect just conspiracy. Good luck, I would love to see this resolved like you do too I'm sure. Regards Duncan Mac Coinnich
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES That is a possible explanation and is consistent with the SBT but it is NOT consistent when Connally says "The force of the bullet ( to his back) BENT ME OVER.
WHEN was Connally bent over? The answer is 0.7 seconds AFTER JFK was shot in the head. That means the last two shots were BANG-BANG, two shots almost on top of each other.
See Roy Kellerman's W. C. TESTIMONY, he says the last two shots were BANG-BANG. Have you seen the list of all the witnesses who said that?
@SCGATOR2001 No but I can tell you from talking to investigators that sometime the person involved in the event can be the worst witness. They're either in shock or just get it wrong. Connelly was wrong about what happened to him . It's like talking to 50 people who see a car accident. Many will say they saw this or that even when a video shows them they didn't.
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES Investigators prefer to look at the physical evidence, come up with a reasonable scenario and then check it by comparing that with the witness' statements. When you do that with the US Government's supplied conclusions and compare that with witnesses you find NO ONE saw things consistent with what the US Government says happened.
Connally is just one of those witnesses who don't fit.
At Parkland NO ONE, not one person, saw a wound consistent with the Z film JFK head wound.
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES But there is a consistent scenario with MANY witnesses, it starts with realizing that Connally was bent over exactly like he said happened, it is consistent with what over a dozen people say they saw at Parkland and it is consistent with what overwhelming physical evidence that the US Government could not have altered.
Hypothesize that there was a powerful conspiracy, what would you see? You'd see faked evidence proving one gunman fired three shots but there'd be conflicts.
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES These conflicts between what the US Government supplied evidence shows and what the witnesses say they saw will not go away because the witnesses will eventually be shown to have been right and the US Government shown to have done anything to hide the truth.
Why would the US Government hide the truth? Obviously to hide the identity of the conspirators who killed Kennedy. You are going to see the answer is much simpler than you'll ever (at first) believe.
@SCGATOR2001 But the Witnesses were wrong. And many of them changed what they said. The biggest liar was Jean Hill who didn't even get her facts straight on the day it happened. Of all the people we interviewed we only found lies with people who said conspiracy. Kennedy had more people in Government on his side including his own brother that had all the power to check this out.
So sad to think the real people got away with this murder. If you freeze the video at 1.13 you can see the entire front right portion of JFK's head being blasted away no sign of a short from the rear.
@colbro100 the significant info in this video is Connally turns to look over his right shoulder and then as he is turning to look over his left shoulder he is shot in the back and bent over.
When do we see that? A split second after JFK is shot in the head. Two shots, bang-bang which if true would PROVE there was a conspiracy. How do you PROVE this? The audio recording captured the sounds of the shots.
Why would US Gov't lie to you? To hide the coup, LBJ and J Edgar Hoover killed JFK!
@SCGATOR2001 : You are spot on. Its amazing that they still stand by the Warren commission. I bought a very good book before thats names the actual gunmen as
Lucien Sarti, Sauveur Pironti and Roger Bocognani all part of the French connection heroin network. Sarti was supposed to have used an exploding bullet and fired from the front right which looks consistent with the violent head movement of JFK.
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES Jean Hill changed her story several times, I agree that things she said were not always the same.
But the US Government changed their story several times too, I guess you agree that they are lying. The US Government collected all the evidence from Dallas and supplied evidence that was obviously forged.
The US Government had everything to gain from hiding the coup that killed Kennedy but the witnesses had nothing to gain, simple logic shows the government is guilty.
@SCGATOR2001 I had no feeling either way about who lied but after years of looking at it I can say 100 percent that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Have you ever talked to his brother in person? I have.
I had viewed the original footage and noticed that President Kennedy had already been hit from behind before the fatal head shot. His head was forward and facing downward. The head shot entered his right temple. The impact forced his head to go further downward. His body's recoil forced his body back up into a full sitting postion. The wind forced his brain matter to cover the rear of the car behind the 1st lady and also a police officer(s) that was following on the driver side. (I agree.)
The time period prior to going behind the Stemmons sign is more likely the time period where Connally would have had time to ponder the sound being a rifle shot. If you look at Zapruder you can see Connally turn right with a curious expression. As he then finishes turning back left he is hit by the single bullet shot at 224. And I'm not a Lone Nutter. I thoroughly believe in the obvious evidence for a conspiracy.
In my opinion Connally is obviously hit at 224. His hand with the Stetson snaps upwards in an involuntary jerk and he immediately turns into the shot with a grimacing facial expression like you would have if you were shot. The lapel flapping out cinches it. You can't force your opinion that Connally couldn't make that turn while shot. He obviously did. Ask any combat veteran what shot people are capable of.
@Exiles800 I totally agree that Connally reacts to a shot @Z224 but it is not and cannot be to a shot to his back. Dale Myer's lapel movement (he wasn't the first one to identify the lapel movement) is caused by Connally raising his arms in reaction, the lapel movement is NOT caused by the bullet exiting his chest. After Z224 Connally turns to look over his right shoulder and @Z325 (5.5 seconds later) he is bent over by the bullet to his back.
I think Connally's body language is that of being shot. Since he isn't facing Kennedy, if he isn't shot then the only thing he can be reacting to is the sound of the gunshot. And that's quite a reaction with arm jerk of the Stetson and turn and painful grimace just for a gunshot. To me the puffing out of the lapel is that of a shock and not that of lifting the arm quickly. It happens in only 1/19th of a second. Is Connally's reaction normal for a gunshot?
So you are contending Connally made grimacing facial gestures prior to that because he was reacting to the sound of shots? And the lapel flapping-out was a gust of wind - right? (Even though nothing else in the vicinity shows any sign of this gust)
@Exiles800@Exiles800 Connally's grimacing facial gestures after Z 224 are reactions to pain but NOT to a shot to his back. HOW could Connally have turned around to look over his shoulder with a bullet hole through his lung, 10 cm of rib blown away & a broken right wrist? The answer is he didn't because he was shot in the back just as he said, IT BENT HIM OVER!!!
When was Connally bent over? 0.7 seconds AFTER JFK shot in the head. Many witnesses said shots were ALMOST ON TOP OF EACH OTHER
What pain was that? Kennedy's??? And what about the lapel? The lapel flaps out right at 224. It's right at the spot that a chest shot would have shocked the lapel away from the suit. Connally obviously grimaces in pain from that point forward.
@Exiles800 Connally reacts starting @ Z224, he snaps his head to the LEFT and then immediately starts to turn his whole body to his right to look back. He said he thought the sound was a rifle shot. As he's turning back to look to his left he is shot in the back and bent forward. The shot that hit Connally in the back was the last (3rd shot) fired from the TSBD, it missed JFK's head and hit Connally in the back. Connally could NOT have reasonably made these turns if he was shot in back @Z224.
Connally's head snaps downward as part of his motion forward, the bullet bent him over 0.7 seconds after JFK was shot in the head. At 18.3 frames/sec, that works out to be frame 325.
I realize you've never seen this documented before, it is one of the best kept secrets of the JFK assassination.
See my film THE TWILIGHT ZONE, seeing is believing except for the majority of Americans who sadly, can no longer think independently.
Connally is bent over a split second after JFK is shot in the head. Connally's head snaps downward starting at Z frame 325, 0.7 seconds after JFK is shot in the head, his head moves faster than he could have moved it by himself.
The significance of two shots 0.7 seconds apart is that the only other way to measure the time between shots shows the exact same time, 0.7 seconds!
Both John Connelly and his wife believe that Oswald shot at them and it was only him. They have said so many times. And if you look at clear video you see his jacket pop out at the time Kennedy is hit in the throat.
Nellie didn't hear much, neither did John but others did. I put this video on because John CLEARLY says THE FORCE OF THE BULLET BENT ME OVER AND I CLEARLY SAW BLOOD IMMEDIATELY.... JGC is bent over AFTER JFK's head shot!
Nellie says that first bullet (that hit JFK did NOT hit John Connally.
So what did happen? I show there is overwhelming PROOF that the Connally's got some of their comments WRONG and some RIGHT. We have to go to OTHER EVIDENCE to sort out the right answer.
You need to look at clear video of the shooting. Connally and Kennedy got hit at the exact same time. Nellie gets a little confused sometimes about what happened. She has never backed up the so called Magic Bullet theory however like many conspiracy people believe.
This video here is proof about how wrong Conspiracy people are. Connelly said he heard a shot and then they show Kennedy being shot and Connally reacting to the show. But that's not the case. Connally first reacted to the shot that missed everybody . The second shot hit them both and Connally had his jacket pop out and his cheeks puff out . It shows that he was hit. Connally was never hit again after that. Kennedy was.
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES AND then after what you say is the second shot Connally turns to look over his right shouder, several SECONDS later he starts to turn back to look over his left shoulder and while he is facing foward he is slammed forward in his seat, his head snaps downward faster than he could have moved it, that is the point the bullet at Z325 hits Connally in the back.
That's why MANY of the witnesses said the last two shots were BANG-BANG.
Connally was adamant, TO HIS GRAVE, that the first shot hit JFK, the second shot hit him and the third shot was the head shot that killed jfk.
AND this TO-THE-GRAVE testimony refutes the notion that Oswald fired all the shots that day, because James Tague was also injured by a separate shot that day.
That is absolutely incorrect. Connally said after JFK was first shot (identified a shot) he turned to look over his right shoulder, didn't see anything & as was turning to look over his left shoulder (while facing forward) he felt a blow to his back that bent him over.
Connally is bent over AFTER JFK is shot in the head.
Nellie Connally said that she argued with the Warren Commission, said the bullet couldn't hang in mid air (means JGC was shot in back several seconds after JFK first shot
The first shot he did look over his right shoulder. Remember, the first shot missed everything. The second shot hit Kennedy and Connally. I don't know what your looking at buy Connally was pulled down by his wife after the 3rd shot.
Connally tells you he was bent over by the bullet, that's fired after the fatal shots t JFK's head but it doesn't prove that.
What does prove that Connally was shot after JFK's head shot is the audio evidence, the recording of the shooting. In several videos I've put on UTUBE I show that the audio recording did capture the sounds of the shots no matter what the gov't says, they can't explain the shot spacing exactly matches the Z film.
Look at my video TWILIGHT ZONE to begin to understand.
You act like the "government" is one person or entity that can be easily controlled, do you have any idea how hard it is to stop leaks!? If there really was some giant, government conspiracy then the truth would've come out a long time ago. There is no way something of that magnitude could have been kept secret for 46 years. Literally thousands of people would have known through the years. Oswald killed JFK, I dont know if alone or not but at this point it doesn't matter, all involved are dead.
You"re using Vince Bugliosi's argument, you've apparently NEVER dealt with sensitive classified information.
I can show you hours of people like Bill Newman, Mary Woodworth, Dr Crenshaw, Presidential Aide Cliff Carter who died suddenly, Presidential Friend Billy Sol Estes, Roy Kellerman.... telling you it didn't happen with three shots fired from one building.
Look at my video RATHER'S QUESTION. Once you know the last two shots were BANG-BANG & when Connally was shot, conspiracy is obvious.
No, you don't get it. You can go ahead and 'know' what you know in Dallas, just prove it please. I don't need to look at any more youtube clips, but my reccomendation to you is that you find sources other than "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" documentary. It has been disproved and discredited a thousand times over. Address what I actually just said to you and I will respond again.
I'm tired of reading that people think Jackie is a coward, and is saving her own skin, and all of this nonsense. How is Jackie saving herself by climbing out of the car, because as you can clearly see she doesn't jump out into the street. There is no double standard what so ever she is trying to scoop up skull fragments so that maybe the doctors can save her husband. Jackie Kennedy is a hero although she didn't save her husband, she was trying to. Anyone who thinks Jackie is selfish is disturbed
You're right, Jackie was trying to retrieve a skull bone fragment that was blown backwards from the shot that was fired from the front right.
Vince Palarmara has a video where Clint Hill says that Jackie was trying to retrieve a skull fragment that went backwards.
Make sure you watch my video RATHER'S QUESTION. In that video I show for the first time exactly when Connally was shot in the back. Since the last two shots were fired BANG-BANG, it proves conspiracy. Mystery?
Look what he did , he made SCGATOR2001 into a retard before he did a nose dive into hell !
"The countless conspiracy books and video's which strenuously argue to the contrary of the Warren Report , constitute one of the largest bodies of fraudulent work ever created"
And Con-spiracy theorist's can take that to the bank also .
Hey! You see cdddraftsman's channel and that background image?! That battle ship with the big phallic symbol gun!! Now I believe what I heard them say about the size of cdddraftsman's dick!! NOW I understand why everyone in here calls him 'pinkie'! LOL
Personally, I don't think the cocksucker has a dick or pinkie or anything else. He's just got his big phallic symbol gun on his battleship channel background image that he jerks off to every day.
She married JFK for his money and Onasis too . RFK took advantage by fouling up the autopsy results by interfering w/procedure's that would of resulted in exposure of JFK as a very sick person , excluding him as a possible contender for president & w/it any chance that RFK had to inherit Camelot , which was abhored by our founding fathers .
You must remember , the lie's of the Kennedy family are deeper , because they embodied gansterism and politic's nurtured by their father .
He reacts to the shot and doubles up at 30s into that video, not at around 47s like you are implying. You don't show the first part where he looks around after hearing the first shot.
If he was shot when you imply, who shot him? Because the only way to hit the middle of his back would be if Nellie had a gun in her belly button.
The video segment is from the MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY. It's interesting that John Connally says "the force of the bullet bent me over." That of course does not agree with what the Warren Commission concluded.
I answer all your questions in my video RATHER'S QUESTION, it shows when Connally was shot in the back, and there's enough information to prove that is true.
scgat again trying to prove something that didn't hapopen by ignoring the facts of the case. What is wrong with people like you.
Scgator knows because I have told him that on the Z film you can see exactly when Connally gets hit. His lapel flies up right where he is wounded and right when the WC said he was wounded. No way to twist it. All Conn can tell you is when he felt the bullet, sometimes its a delayed pin. Reagan didn't know he was hit until the hospital. Scgat..why did Conn lapel flyup?
This is a big conspiracy where we would never find out the truth.
TheJCJexe 2 weeks ago
@TheJCJexe You will know the truth. Part of what Connally says in the video is very important. What he says doesn't prove anything, it is just consistent with other proof. If you can explain in detail what Connally says, you can solve the mystery.
SCGATOR2001 2 weeks ago
Connally hid the gun under a cloth.. look..
fkknRawwwrr 1 month ago
It's funny how
#1. When Connally was hit from behind, he was knocked FORWARD. When JFK was hit in the head supposedly from behind, he is knocked BACKWARD. It seems physics works differently for JFK than Connally.
#2. Connally clearly states the brain matter was all over the BACK OF THE LIMO. Tell me, how does a bullet which exits the front of JFK's melon leave his brains all over the BACK of the fucking limo?!?! Jackie even tried to retrieve some of it. COME ON MAN!
Do we live in fantasyworld?
2eelShmeal 2 months ago
More importantly, he says he said "omg they're gonna kill us all". Even if only unconsciously, he betrays his awareness of more than one gunman.
tornadosacrifice 3 months ago
How can he say he looked over his right shoulder and didn't see anything out of the ordinary? Kennedy was clearly in distress!!
tornadosacrifice 3 months ago
Connelly is WRONG in his recollection. He looked behind him after Kennedy was shot in the throat, and as he looked behind him he leaned into his wife (it looks like it). Then he moves to face forward as Kennedy is shot in the head, and moments later him and his wife react violently to something and he goes flying forward. This tells me that he was hit in the back AFTER the head shot that killed JFK.
Scorehound 6 months ago
@Scorehound No one, not one tries to explain how Connally turned around with an exit wound in his chest about the size of a baseball. HOW DID HE TURN AROUND? The bullet that hit him in the back punctured his lung, broke out about 10 cm of his rib, broke his wrist and you see he turned around to look over his right shoulder and then was facing forward @ the time he was bent over.
Of course Connally was shot in the back A F T E R JFK's head shot, that is when JGC is bent over. It is OBVIOUS!
SCGATOR2001 6 months ago
@Scorehound Your correct. JFKs neck wound only hit JFK. But the sound made the Gov look back. The head shot hit both JFK and the Gov at the same time. If you line up the shot from where the car was and the positions of each man the bullet had to of come from the back towards the county records office. No way did it come from the book building. Physically impossible. There were 4-5 shots.The missed shots ended up hitting a curb, the other was heard flying over the grassy area from behind JFK.
journeyquest1 6 months ago
governor connelly order to change the motorcade route
metubegirl69er 6 months ago
count the shots:
1. kennedy's throat;
2. connally starts to turn back to left - boom, connally's back (bullet found on hospital gurney);
3. kennedy's head;
4. and then this one : watch?v=6l428bg2JGY
LiquorWreckedEmGood 7 months ago
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@pajasa62 Hey, man!! I'm with you! I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals like you. It's live and let live as far as I'm concerned. Homosexuals are God's children, too. Just because you're homosexual doesn't mean you're a bad person. That's what I say. So when did you first realize you were a faggot?
DonaId6899 7 months ago
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DonaId6899 7 months ago
there's no way that shot at 1.14 DIDN'T whack Kennedy from the FRONT. Connally was hit from behind and leaned FORWARD why wouldn't Kennedy if Oswald was the only shooter?
vlunney 7 months ago
@vlunney Obviously Connally was bent over by a shot from behind that hit him in the back and JFK was bent back and to his left by a shot from his right front.
THAT IS OBVIOUSLY TRUE. So how do you prove it? It's not as hard as you've been led to believe. The correct order is that JFK was shot in the head and then Connally was shot in the back from a shot from behind.
SCGATOR2001 7 months ago
@SCGATOR2001
so kennedy getshit in the back of the throat and that shot hits connally in the back, but the LAST shot we see is of kennedy getting whacked from the front which we know from the way kennedys head leans BACK and the splatter of the wound.he's leaninf forward then his head snaps BACK.
vlunney 7 months ago
@vlunney If you watch the video and understand that Connally says the bullet that hit him in the back "BENT ME OVER." you can know the truth.
Watch ANY Zarpruder film. When is Connally bent over? He is bent over A F T E R JFK is shot in the head! If you read my book you'll see that the last TWO shots were fired a split second apart, BANG-BANG. That is the biggest secret in US Government history.
The best part of the book? How the Government covers up the truth!
SCGATOR2001 7 months ago
@SCGATOR2001 And someone was using a high power semi auto sniper rifle with scope back at the county records office. Something like a Russian Dragunov rifle. Oswald was set up.
journeyquest1 6 months ago
@SCGATOR2001 Yes, the correct order is "that JFK was shot in the head and then Connally was shot in the back...". So, let´s think about the fakery of Connally just in time of the first shot that hit JFKs throat. Why did he behave like that? What did he really do in this second? Why does he lift his shoulder ... taking the gun from inside of his jacket. Just to look that it was still there?
FlowTrainer 7 months ago
Lying ass mofo I've heard 3 different stories from this idiot
pearlofprice 8 months ago
Can't you respond or challenge what I say about the Alyea film? Or are you just continuously responding like ROBOT and quote some conspiracy book and masquerade it as fact?
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 Are you talking to me here? All the quotes are taken DIRECTLY from the original film clips contained within the DVD "Evidence of Revision". It's not from a book... it's from REALITY.
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
If you are going to IGNORE context, do you think that is helpful? Ruby had a DEATH SENTENCE hanging over him and it was in a day when there were not endless appeals like today.
It is laughable to consider that Ruby would admit being part of a conspiracy when his appeal team was trying to discredit Judge Brown and the damaging Dallas Police testimony to get the 1st verdict overturned!
pajasa62 10 months ago
The CIA?
Both JFK & RFK used the CIA in more devious ways than arguably any other President in U.S. history!
pajasa62 10 months ago
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peecee1384 10 months ago
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@pajasa62 "Both JFK & RFK used the CIA in more devious ways than arguably any other President in U.S. history!"
You make it sound like you were privy to the inner workings of the United States government. If you weren't there (and I am assuming you were not) - then HOW WOULD YOU KNOW!? Unless, of course, you *are* (or were) a CIA agent!
peecee1384 10 months ago
Connally is a fucking liar and a bad one. several things wrong with his story:
first of all if u hear a rifle-shot, u don't turn around in the direction of the sound to see if more bullets are coming your way, especially if u are hit! u fucking hit the floor!!!
then he says he said, "they are gonna kill us all" but no-one in that vehicle tried to get their heads down! not one!
CT2507 1 year ago
It's funny that Governor Connally himself says the shot that hit JFK in the neck and the shot that hit him were two different shots and yet major TV organizations like the Discovery Channel continue making shows debunking the "magic bullet" idea, arguing that 1 bullet did cause all of the wounds in question.
Ahlywog 1 year ago
Also does any of you know the height of JFK, Oswald and the Limousine?
Ahiboa 1 year ago
Warren Report line was that 3 shots were fired, First shot--miss second--through jfk to hit connally, and third-head shot. Connally is saying he didn't get hit until he already was in midt turn--that he was hit as he was turning back left.
Why then did Kennedy grab his throat, put up his arms several frames before connally reacts? Kennedy was in his second reaction and jackie was pulling him down by the tie connally is hit. basic forensic disparity--forget everything else.
132indo 1 year ago
Connelly knew that the shooting was going to happen, but he didn't realize that HE was going to be the one riding in the car with JFK. It was supposed to be Ralph Yarbrough, but JFK insisted that Connelly be the one to ride with him, which infuriated LBJ. It makes you wonder if maybe JFK sensed that something might happen, so if it was Connelly in the car, there would be less chance of an "incident" happening. Take a look at any photo of Connelly that day; he looks like a nervous wreck.
LongLiveOx 1 year ago
the first shot missed 27 feet from Kennedy's head, excuse me but at 60 yards away and with a scoped rifle, that is impossible to miss that far. A warning shot?
what the HELL, then two perfect shots, sure don't sound like the same guy fired all three shots. not counting oswald had no trace of powder on his hands and he was also being charged for shooting a cop that day, but no powder on his hands, come on.
donze52 1 year ago
@jfkjacqueline I think you mean "ACTED" and he was the "FALL GUY" (Though NOT the old T.V. Series)or he had just eaten before the Assassination took place.
pngwynn1966 1 year ago
I usualy laugh at conspiracy nuts, but the one unsettling thing about the whole story is when Connelly says "they". Not only does he indicate multiple assassins, but you would think a more appropriate phrase would have been "Sombody's trying to kill us all" or "We're being shot at". Its like he knew who was shooting at him already. Or maybe even he knew it was going to happen, but didnt think he was going to get hit too! Why would you say "they"? Was he talking about the crowd? Its unsettling.
wehl3318 1 year ago 2
@wehl3318 "THEY" is the ONLY thing you find unsettling?
One reason we are still talking about this "mystery" 47 years later is that the Warren Commission scenario of one shooter, three shots from behind does NOT match many of the witnesses. One witness is John Connally.
Listen again, Connally says "THE FORCE OF THE BULLET BENT ME OVER"
WHEN do you see Connally bent over? 5.5 seconds AFTER he first reacts when the WC says Connally was shot in the back- his description does NOT Match
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago 3
@SCGATOR2001 Don't do a disservice and misquote or guess at the facts. The REAL FACTS. The majority of witnesses interviewed by Police and FBI on Nov. 22 and 23 idetified the shots coming from the TSDP OR at least Behind and above. And a full 76 percent of witnesses THEN and LATER said three shots. Next closest: 10 percent said "two or three shots" Connelly, not long before his death, also identified on the Zapruder film whene he believes he was hit. Answer: Frame 224.
oldmac1 1 year ago
@oldmac1 - True, but you have to remember that there were FAR more people in the area of the TSBD, than there were in the area of the grassy knoll. And yes, it's true that most people said it was 3 shots, which proves it was a conspiracy, since the Warren Commission said that 3 empty shell casings were found on the 6th floor of the TSBD, yet the FBI photos show that they had, in fact found, 2 empty shell casings, and 1 live round. That's all the proof you need.
LongLiveOx 1 year ago
@LongLiveOx I appreciate the fact that you responded politely and professionally. I haven't been getting much of that lately. It is really appreciated. I'll send you some references by private message if that's ok. This exact issue was brought up by the Warren Commission because there absolutely was a notable glaring discrepancy. I can't post it all here because it's too long. But there is a close up of that third "shell" that clearly shows it is a spent shell. I will send it
oldmac1 1 year ago
@wehl3318 this interview is a while after the assassination he now knows who the assassin is that is why he used they and from the video you can see the there are two shooters or two bullets. i just wanted to ass the last part as my opinion to the subject.
Simpsonite264 1 year ago
@wehl3318 Absolutely agree! Unless he had prior knowledge that an assassination attempt was going to happen, you would not say "My God! They are going to kill us all!". You would say "I've been hit!" or "I've been shot!" or "My God - I'm hit!". As is stands, it seems he knew what was coming, but had been told not to worry because both he and his wife would not be hurt, and was therefore both surprised and alarmed when he discovered that he himself had suddenly been shot.
peecee1384 11 months ago
@peecee1384
"Connally knew what was coming , but told not to worry"
Yeah, he is in THE LINE OF FIRE in a freakin' MOVING OBJECT...I guess he just "took one for the team" after he got over the (as you put it) "surprise and alarm" that he was almost fatally shot. Any ideas why Connally hated JFK to the point he accepted going along with a murder plot potentially and actually so risky to him and his wife?
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 Any ideas why Connally hated JFK to the point he accepted going along with a murder plot potentially and actually so risky to him and his wife? No idea, can only imagine he was able to be convinced it was "necessary", for the sake of the country (?). It's possible he was threatened himself.
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
Yes, no idea, because there is NOTHING that suggests such nonsense that Connally wanted JFK killed,,,then you just throwup "it's possible (Connally) was threatened himself"....MORE NONSENSE! You show no standards of proof for your statements my friend.
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 One doesn't need proof to have an opinion. Millions of people on this planet believe in the existence of a supreme being, God, if you like, without any proof whatsoever that would stand up in a court of law. You are free to believe whatever you like and so am I. My mind is always open to the truth, but I am entitled to make my mind up on my own, because I still know how to think. Good luck to you.
peecee1384 10 months ago
@pajasa62 Lyndon Johnson was in big trouble due to the Bobby Baker scandal and the Billy Sol Estes scandal, which could “destroy Lyndon Johnson’s career”. Lyndon Johnson would go to jail, and he represented all the right-wing forces. “The Governor of Texas is Lyndon Johnson’s best friend in history – they went back decades together. In the 1948 vote scandal John Connelly was very much a part of that cover-up that took place – he was Johnson’s campaign manager. " From 'Evidence of Revision'
peecee1384 10 months ago
@pajasa62 "It is without question John Connelly who entices John F. Kennedy to Texas. Once they get him there then they’re in control of everything – motorcade routes, the evidence, the Dallas Police, everything. It’s their land – it’s their territory. Lyndon Johnson and his Texas cronies suckered President Kennedy into Texas.”
From ' Evidence of Revision"
peecee1384 10 months ago
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@peecee1384
SO WHAT?!?!?!
You masquerade a quote as fact....and what? Nobodies going to notice that bullshit?
You have Connally as the sinister force behind JFK's assassination...to put himself (and his wife) IN THE LINE OF FIRE IN A MOVING OBJECT????.... To be wounded, almost fatally???
Yeah pal, that's a real persuasive argument...give it up man!
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 Johnson tried to have Connally moved from the Presidential Limo to his own Limo. Are you a CIA agent?
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
Typical BULLSHIT! And who was to be the guest in the hugh Presidential limo?...Castro? Khrushchev? (when Connally was with JFK in all the other Texas motorcades)
Stop making crap up...you have ZERO, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Connally being the driving force behind the assassination only to put himself in the line of fire to be almost fatally shot.
Like all conspiracy theorists...alll you have to do is challenge their bullshit.
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 Lol, you sure get worked up about this, sunshine. Are you related to Connally?
In 1947 Jack Ruby testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee as an informant for the FBI and was on the staff of Republican congressman Richard M. Nixon!!
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
Typical of conspiracy theorists...you can't defend your position of Connally being the driving force behind the assassination only to put himself in the line of fire...no problem, just move on to another topic.
ARE YOU SITTING? The 1947 document linking Ruby to Nixon is quite interesting, but it has one little problem...the letterhead of the document has an address zip code that DID NOT EXIST IN 1947!!
Even most conspiracy theorists run for cover when it comes to this nonsense!
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 In the hours following the assassination a mysterious fingerprint was found in the sniper’s nest of the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building. The fingerprint was only identified in 1998 as belonging to Malcolm Wallace, LBJ’s henchman and the convicted killer of Dougas Kinser!
Malcolm Wallace died on the night of January 7, 1971 in a single-car accident on a stretch of Texas Highway. There were no witnesses. [ Funny that!]
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
You are shameless...
I destroy your worthless ideas REPEATEDLY and what do you do?...QUICK! Change the topic!!!
Then you bring up a claim, only found in a conspiracy book...with ZERO proof...and then we are to believe that the plotters WAIT 7-1/2 YEARS to kill someone...someone that has been SILENT for 7-1/2 YEARS - and "murder" him via a traffic accident!
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 D.H. Byrd, another wealthy Texan with close ties to Johnson, *owned* the Texas School Book Depository Building; he also *founded* the Civil Air Patrol. Lee Harvey Oswald was a member of the Civil Air Patrol. More co-incidence?
PS. You sure sound like an angry person. Quite frustrated, too.
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
"Byrd a wealthy Texan with close ties ti LBJ owned the Texas School Book Depository"
????
Marina Oswald (who is in the 9th MONTH of her prgnancy) has a husband who is looking for a job & has just got his last unemployment check. Marina is having coffee with Ruth Paine & Lennie M. Randle (whose brother works at the Depository). She recommends it and Roy Truly hires Oswald after an interview.
Try reality for a change.
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 ???? - ! ! ! !
Roger Craig, Deputy Sheriff, “My interest was to get up to the grassy knoll.” then Craig describes how they searched the 6th floor of the depository building and found 3 spent cartridges (“neatly arranged”) and a rifle. “Stamped right on the barrel of the rifle was *7.65 Mauser*. The shells we found came from a 6.5 Italian rifle. The two don’t relate.”
DVD "Evidence of Revision" is available at Amazon.com
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
More nonsense....
With the Depository sealed in 7 minutes and aside from the investigators, there were members of TV and print media (Biffle, Allman, Ford, Alyea, etc) given access to follow the investigators around. WFAA-TV's Tom Alyea took clear close-up footage of the rifle (and the film was shown on WFAA-TV about 3 pm on 11/22). In 47 years of the film NO ONE has pointed out characteristics of it being ANYTHING BUT a Mannlicher-Carcano.
Want to hear of Craig's lies? JUST ASK!
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 An affidavit signed by Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman stated that the rifle found was a 7.65 Mauser. Multiple news reports mention a German-made 7.65 Mauser. You can see them in Evidence of revision.
Footage in "Evidence of revision" shows a second rifle behind the one being displayed.
JFK fired Allen Dulles (long time Director of the CIA), and General Cabelle, his deputy. General Cabelle was the brother of the Mayor of Dallas at the time of the assassination!
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
All you do is parrot the same crap...can't you respond to my detailed responses?
Weitzman & Boone readily admitted on camera that the were referring to the "Mauser bolt-action" - the Mannlicher-Carcano being a hybrid (Mannlicher a German word) and that WW II surplus flooded the market...Day and Fritz were the only ones handling the weapon...CBS-TV showed the 2 rifles side by side and they were almost identical! Theorists act like it was comparing a Volkswagon & a Cadillac - NO!
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 Fritz was part of it. Fritz described Oswald as being “Very co-operative” adding that Oswald had “admitted nothing yet”, then goes on to say that “without going into the evidence, this case is cinched!” Ruby acts at the very moment the car horn sounds (signalled). Captain Fritz hardly reacts to the sound of Ruby shooting Oswald; in fact he calmly stands there doing nothing and arguably shields the way forward to prevent intervention in the shooting and of help reaching Oswald quickly.
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
Yes...without going into the evidence. He is not go into every detail (gun ownerships, ballistic findings, Tippet slaying, etc, etc) and try the case...not as he is giving a press conference, but merely walking from office to office being ambushed by reporters that turned the entire 3rd floor into a mob scene.
"Oswald is shot the very moment a car horn sounds (signalled)...SO WHAT IS THIS SIGNAL?
Here is the reality...the car is BACKING DOWN A RAMP WITH PEOPLE IN THE WAY.....OK?
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 I didn't say Oswald was "shot" at the very moment a car horn sounds. Ruby waits for the signal and then *reacts* immediately after the car horn sounds. There are no people standing in the way where the back of the car appears. Mr. Oswald was killed just one hour before he was due to appear at his first full press conference.
PS. At the time of his firing, General Cabelle said to Kennedy “If this were England, I’d have to go. But this is America, and you have to go!”
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384 I'm talking the reality of a car driving BACKWARDS DOWN A RAMP...God forbid someone sneezes and I'm sure THAT TOO would be a sign.
And do you know any example of a mob-type hit on an individual (real life or in the movies...on earth or Mars) where the hitman uses a single shot to the BELLY?....or instead of having a getaway driver, he had his DOG waiting for him in the car?
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 Ruby himself said the following:
1. “a conspiracy… if you knew the true facts you’d be amazed at it.”
2.: “The people who have so much to gain and who had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I’m in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world.”
3."If Adlai Stevenson was Vice President there would never have been an assassination of our beloved president Kennedy. The answer is the man in office now [Lyndon B. Johnson].”
peecee1384 10 months ago
@pajasa62 Ruby himself said....
4.Everything pertaining to what’s happening has never come to the surface… the world will never know the true facts of what occurred, my motives. In other words, I’m the only person in the background that knows the truth pertaining to everything relating to my circumstances”.
Ruby is seen on film lingering in the halls with reporters at Police Headquarters. Hardly a spur-of the-moment decision. He was waiting for an opportunity and for the go-ahead from above.
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
Look at the film! Ruby is in a courtroom flanked by his appeal lawyers Sol Dann and Elmer Gertz...the appeal process was to get the 1st trial conviction & it's death sentence overturned & get a new trial moved out of Dallas.
EVERYTHING he is saying is aimed at 1st trial Judge Brown (disqualified during appeal), the Dallas Police (their damaging testimony thrown out on appeal) & a new trial was granted and set for Witchita Falls, Texas.
Show some class and accept FACT & REALITY!
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 Not true. Of the 4 quotes only Number 4 is in a courtroom. "EVERYTHING he is saying is aimed at 1st trial Judge Brown" - I'd like to know by what right you are able to decide what Ruby's statements mean or don't mean. But that's the whole point of shutting him up, isn't it?
***Proverbs 29:9
If a wise person goes to court with a fool, the fool rages and scoffs, and there is no peace.***
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
By the very context in which the statements took place...WHICH ARE BEYOND DISPUTE...by the 2 people that are flanking him (do you seriously think they merely stumbled into the picture?)...MIGHT you be curious as to who they were and their relevance? Elmer Gertz wrote a detailed book "Moment of Madness" providing every bit of detail till Ruby's death.
And how is Ruby ADMITTING he is part of a conspiracy going to help his appeal?....put MORE voltage in the electric chair?
REALITY!
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 "And how is Ruby ADMITTING he is part of a conspiracy going to help his appeal?....put MORE voltage in the electric chair?"
Put YOU in the chair!! You Roger Craig inflatable doll fucking asshole!!
Fry fucker!! Fry!!!!
txIee1 7 months ago 3
@peecee1384 Show some class and actually RESPOND to what I am writing to you about , instead of trying to save face and move on to another topic because you are afraid to tackle the issue THAT YOU BROUGHT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE!...freakin' baby!
pajasa62 10 months ago
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@pajasa62 Proverbs 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.
peecee1384 10 months ago
@pajasa62 When Tom Howard (Attorney for Jack Ruby) denies to reporters that there is any type of connection between Jack Ruby and Oswald, a reporter states “A performer says he saw Oswald at Ruby’s Carousel Club” Howard says “I think he is mistaken”. When informed that the witness was a *memory expert*, Howard says “he claims to be”!
peecee1384 10 months ago
@pajasa62 When reporters discuss Jack Ruby with District Attorney Henry Wade. A reporter says: “He seemed to me like a detective, he seemed to be all over this place” adding [to Henry Wade] “looked to me like he was a good friend [of yours]”.
If having a dog in the car proves there was no conspiracy - I say "woof woof!"
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
Got anything to say about my respond regarding the Ruby quotes?
I CHALLENGE YOU TO STATE ONE THING THAT IS NOT 100% HISTORICALLY ACCURATE IN WHAT I WROTE.
pajasa62 10 months ago
@pajasa62 “Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid.” John 8:13
peecee1384 10 months ago
@peecee1384
Typical of conspiracy theorists...you can't defend your position that Connally is the driving force behind the assassination, only to be in the line of fire...no problem, just move onto another topic.
The 1947 document linking Ruby to Nixon is quite interesting, but with one little problem (are you sitting?) The letterhead of the document has an address zip code THAT DID NOT EXIST IN 1947!!!
Even most conspiracy theorists run for cover than deal with that embarrassing junk!!!!
pajasa62 10 months ago
@peecee1384 @pajasa62 has his own inflatable Roger Craig doll which he keeps under his stinking bed and which he fucks on a regular basis. Yes! Yes!! Yeeeeeeeessssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's also a fucking faggot and TROLL!!!
txIee1 7 months ago 7
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@txIee1
Boy, nothing like nailing someone so badly on a topic that ALL they can do is name calling.
I'm not here to dance or gloat over your grave, but thanks for the "inner power" you're giving me.
pajasa62 7 months ago
@pajasa62 Boy???!!! You faggot! We know where you get your 'inner power' from, boy!!!!!!
From up inside your inflatable Roger Craig doll's ass!! Hehehe. Boy???!!!
You demented faggot!!
virtuaI4desires 7 months ago 8
@virtuaI4desires I knew it! I knew it would be only a matter of time before this deluded fruitcake @pajasa62 would start on his 'inner power' rant!! LOL I knew @pajasa62 just HAD to be some kind of fundamentalist nut!!!
May the power be up your ass, @pajasa62 and you're going to rot in fucking hell!!!
2012Iivestream 7 months ago 3
@2012Iivestream
Calm down, you don't have to be so upset just because JFK conspiracies can be easily picked off and the whole "movement" fizzled out.
Probably THE WORST thing to happen to you boys was Oliver Stone's "JFK". He spat out so much crap that it made people say "Is this true?" and when you help it under a magnifying glass, one realizes it is all spin, embellishment, assumptions masquerading as facts, ambiguity and as Stone HIMSELF said..."artistic license"
pajasa62 7 months ago
@pajasa62 LOL Calm down? I love it when you show your feminine side!! LOL Calm down. I know you're feeling under pressure at the moment after being exposed as a Roger Craig inflatable doll fan but that's no reason to be bitchy!! Oliver Stone's (Do you have an OS inflatable doll, too?) LOL JFK was probably the BEST thing to happen since it flushed out all you homosexual anti-conspiracy theorists.I am using the word 'theorist' loosely here since you couldn't theorize yourself out of a paper bag.
OBoyWankiKnobbi 7 months ago 3
@OBoyWankiKnobbi Hey, man don't waste your time replying to this loser faggot troll pajasa62.The shit sack's not worth it. He has obviously no fucking idea about what he's talking about.
Be careful he might zap you with his fucking 'inner power'!! LMFAO
2012Iivestream 7 months ago 3
@2012Iivestream
I guess you are an inspiration for me to keep posting on these sites just because I get under your skin so much....besides the CIA pays me $25 for each posting I make. (tax free)
pajasa62 7 months ago
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@pajasa62 " I guess you are an inspiration for me to keep posting on these sites just because I get under your skin so much....besides the CIA pays me $25 for each posting I make. (tax free)"
Just as I thought!! You're a fucking fantasist!! LOL The CIA wouldn't pay you shit!! LOL
DAVlDMlCHEALROBlNSON 7 months ago
@pajasa62 As for spitting out crap, you know a lot about it. Except you don't spit it out - you SHIT it out!! And it is SHIT! When we check you out under the magnifying glass and if we can find you because you are such a tiny piece of amoeba shit & yet it is possible to see what an embittered ill-informed know-nothing you really are. You spin, you embellish, you assume (generally you don't even assume - you LIE) and you hide in your crap channel like the shitty troll you most definitely are.
OBoyWankiKnobbi 7 months ago 2
@pajasa62
A transcript of a recording of a telephone conversation between Johnson and Hoover:
LBJ: “I want to get by just with your file and your report”
Hoover: “It would be very very bad to have a rash of investigations”
LBJ: “Well, the only way we can stop ‘em is probably to appoint a high-level one to evaluate your report, and to put somebody that’s pretty good on it, that I could select, and tell the House and Senate not to go ahead with the investigations”. From 'Evidence of Revision'
peecee1384 10 months ago
@pajasa62 Faggot!!
txIee1 7 months ago
@pajasa62 " Nobodies going to notice that bullshit? "
Somebody notices that you can't spell. LOL
OBoyWankiKnobbi 7 months ago
@pajasa62 Faggot!!
MrTroIIol 7 months ago
@wehl3318 "I usualy laugh at conspiracy nuts.." The feeling is mutual. Asshole!!!
MrTroIIol 7 months ago 2
@wehl3318, "you laugh at conspiracy nuts" Probably because your too stupid to think for yourself and have to have the government and television think for yourself. Most things you see or are told are lies. Most things are done for financial reasons and power - the 2 work hand and hand.
TheChineseEmpire 6 months ago
How many heard him say, "Oh my God, THEY gonna kill us all". He know there was more than one shooter.....THEY!!
rewilkins2 1 year ago
How many people would have to be involved in a conspiracy this big? FBI, CIA, Mob, Cubans, Russians, Secret Service, Dallas PD, Oswald, Ruby, Bobby Kennedy, Connally, Jackie, LBJ? How many?
summer03able 1 year ago
@summer03able You'd need only a couple of powerful people, LBJ and J Edgar Hoover. Hoover confiscates the evidence, LBJ gets only ONE investigation instead of many. Hoover feeds the Warren Comm the information needed to get one man fired three shots even though that scenario: IMPOSSIBLE
You ignore witnesses, you forge evidence, you reward people like Specter and Ford who lie and cheat for you, they do it because they got power for selling their souls.
LBJ and Hoover plus a few more scumbags.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago 2
@SCGATOR2001 good answer!
Goldstein305 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 Oswald shot Jack Kennedy, if not who? You couldn't cover that up in the US for 48 years, here in the UK easy but not in the US I'm sure.
Gersroolz 1 year ago
@Gersroolz If Oswald was on the road that would be a strong point considering that the shot of Lancer's head does not match his autopsy photo, there his whole front head was destroyed in seconds but in his autopsy photo his rear head is disintegrated but the entrance hole came from the side indicating that the shot was straight and flat, if a hollow point was used, the shot would come from the ground as if it came from the east the side wound would be much larger than the head wound.
Ahiboa 1 year ago
@Ahiboa Mmmmmm indeed, who else then? Nobody has produced another name during my life time, (born 1960) you may be right & fair doos tae you, but, nobody is producing any other suspect just conspiracy. Good luck, I would love to see this resolved like you do too I'm sure. Regards Duncan Mac Coinnich
Gersroolz 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 u forgot about Alex Mason Brainwashed C.i.A Agent who was captured while attacking cuba.... Black oooppss Joke
clonecommander07 1 year ago
@summer03able EVERYONE!!! That is only the beginning of why it doesn't make sense
oldmac1 1 year ago
When Connelly discribes the first shot he's talking about the shot that missed everyone . That shot confuses people
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 1 year ago
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES That is a possible explanation and is consistent with the SBT but it is NOT consistent when Connally says "The force of the bullet ( to his back) BENT ME OVER.
WHEN was Connally bent over? The answer is 0.7 seconds AFTER JFK was shot in the head. That means the last two shots were BANG-BANG, two shots almost on top of each other.
See Roy Kellerman's W. C. TESTIMONY, he says the last two shots were BANG-BANG. Have you seen the list of all the witnesses who said that?
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 No but I can tell you from talking to investigators that sometime the person involved in the event can be the worst witness. They're either in shock or just get it wrong. Connelly was wrong about what happened to him . It's like talking to 50 people who see a car accident. Many will say they saw this or that even when a video shows them they didn't.
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 1 year ago
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES Investigators prefer to look at the physical evidence, come up with a reasonable scenario and then check it by comparing that with the witness' statements. When you do that with the US Government's supplied conclusions and compare that with witnesses you find NO ONE saw things consistent with what the US Government says happened.
Connally is just one of those witnesses who don't fit.
At Parkland NO ONE, not one person, saw a wound consistent with the Z film JFK head wound.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES But there is a consistent scenario with MANY witnesses, it starts with realizing that Connally was bent over exactly like he said happened, it is consistent with what over a dozen people say they saw at Parkland and it is consistent with what overwhelming physical evidence that the US Government could not have altered.
Hypothesize that there was a powerful conspiracy, what would you see? You'd see faked evidence proving one gunman fired three shots but there'd be conflicts.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES These conflicts between what the US Government supplied evidence shows and what the witnesses say they saw will not go away because the witnesses will eventually be shown to have been right and the US Government shown to have done anything to hide the truth.
Why would the US Government hide the truth? Obviously to hide the identity of the conspirators who killed Kennedy. You are going to see the answer is much simpler than you'll ever (at first) believe.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 But the Witnesses were wrong. And many of them changed what they said. The biggest liar was Jean Hill who didn't even get her facts straight on the day it happened. Of all the people we interviewed we only found lies with people who said conspiracy. Kennedy had more people in Government on his side including his own brother that had all the power to check this out.
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 1 year ago
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES forget the witnesses, the wounds on kennedy and connally dont line up with the school book , it came from the daltex building
imasoulman01 1 year ago
So sad to think the real people got away with this murder. If you freeze the video at 1.13 you can see the entire front right portion of JFK's head being blasted away no sign of a short from the rear.
colbro100 1 year ago
@colbro100 the significant info in this video is Connally turns to look over his right shoulder and then as he is turning to look over his left shoulder he is shot in the back and bent over.
When do we see that? A split second after JFK is shot in the head. Two shots, bang-bang which if true would PROVE there was a conspiracy. How do you PROVE this? The audio recording captured the sounds of the shots.
Why would US Gov't lie to you? To hide the coup, LBJ and J Edgar Hoover killed JFK!
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 : You are spot on. Its amazing that they still stand by the Warren commission. I bought a very good book before thats names the actual gunmen as
Lucien Sarti, Sauveur Pironti and Roger Bocognani all part of the French connection heroin network. Sarti was supposed to have used an exploding bullet and fired from the front right which looks consistent with the violent head movement of JFK.
colbro100 1 year ago
@colbro100 Lee Harvey Oswald killed him. Nobody else.
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 1 year ago
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES : Come on, you know thats just not true.
colbro100 1 year ago
@colbro100 What part? Jean Hill was the biggest liar . She changed her version about what happened several times.
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 1 year ago
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES Jean Hill changed her story several times, I agree that things she said were not always the same.
But the US Government changed their story several times too, I guess you agree that they are lying. The US Government collected all the evidence from Dallas and supplied evidence that was obviously forged.
The US Government had everything to gain from hiding the coup that killed Kennedy but the witnesses had nothing to gain, simple logic shows the government is guilty.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 I had no feeling either way about who lied but after years of looking at it I can say 100 percent that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Have you ever talked to his brother in person? I have.
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 1 year ago
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES I've seen Oswald's brother on ABC BEYOND CONPSIRACY and he made an absolute fool of himself.
What did Oswald's brother know? Heck of a lot less than Marina Oswald and she has no idea what happened either.
I can say 100% that Oswald could NOT have killed Kennedy, he may have fired THREE shots but he did NOT kill Kennedy and I can PROVE IT.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
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I had viewed the original footage and noticed that President Kennedy had already been hit from behind before the fatal head shot. His head was forward and facing downward. The head shot entered his right temple. The impact forced his head to go further downward. His body's recoil forced his body back up into a full sitting postion. The wind forced his brain matter to cover the rear of the car behind the 1st lady and also a police officer(s) that was following on the driver side. (I agree.)
DTEandHeavenBound 1 year ago
The time period prior to going behind the Stemmons sign is more likely the time period where Connally would have had time to ponder the sound being a rifle shot. If you look at Zapruder you can see Connally turn right with a curious expression. As he then finishes turning back left he is hit by the single bullet shot at 224. And I'm not a Lone Nutter. I thoroughly believe in the obvious evidence for a conspiracy.
Exiles800 1 year ago
In my opinion Connally is obviously hit at 224. His hand with the Stetson snaps upwards in an involuntary jerk and he immediately turns into the shot with a grimacing facial expression like you would have if you were shot. The lapel flapping out cinches it. You can't force your opinion that Connally couldn't make that turn while shot. He obviously did. Ask any combat veteran what shot people are capable of.
Exiles800 1 year ago 2
@Exiles800 I totally agree that Connally reacts to a shot @Z224 but it is not and cannot be to a shot to his back. Dale Myer's lapel movement (he wasn't the first one to identify the lapel movement) is caused by Connally raising his arms in reaction, the lapel movement is NOT caused by the bullet exiting his chest. After Z224 Connally turns to look over his right shoulder and @Z325 (5.5 seconds later) he is bent over by the bullet to his back.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
I think Connally's body language is that of being shot. Since he isn't facing Kennedy, if he isn't shot then the only thing he can be reacting to is the sound of the gunshot. And that's quite a reaction with arm jerk of the Stetson and turn and painful grimace just for a gunshot. To me the puffing out of the lapel is that of a shock and not that of lifting the arm quickly. It happens in only 1/19th of a second. Is Connally's reaction normal for a gunshot?
Exiles800 1 year ago
So you are contending Connally made grimacing facial gestures prior to that because he was reacting to the sound of shots? And the lapel flapping-out was a gust of wind - right? (Even though nothing else in the vicinity shows any sign of this gust)
Exiles800 1 year ago
@Exiles800 @Exiles800 Connally's grimacing facial gestures after Z 224 are reactions to pain but NOT to a shot to his back. HOW could Connally have turned around to look over his shoulder with a bullet hole through his lung, 10 cm of rib blown away & a broken right wrist? The answer is he didn't because he was shot in the back just as he said, IT BENT HIM OVER!!!
When was Connally bent over? 0.7 seconds AFTER JFK shot in the head. Many witnesses said shots were ALMOST ON TOP OF EACH OTHER
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
What pain was that? Kennedy's??? And what about the lapel? The lapel flaps out right at 224. It's right at the spot that a chest shot would have shocked the lapel away from the suit. Connally obviously grimaces in pain from that point forward.
Exiles800 1 year ago
@Exiles800 Connally reacts starting @ Z224, he snaps his head to the LEFT and then immediately starts to turn his whole body to his right to look back. He said he thought the sound was a rifle shot. As he's turning back to look to his left he is shot in the back and bent forward. The shot that hit Connally in the back was the last (3rd shot) fired from the TSBD, it missed JFK's head and hit Connally in the back. Connally could NOT have reasonably made these turns if he was shot in back @Z224.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
Connally's head snaps downward as part of his motion forward, the bullet bent him over 0.7 seconds after JFK was shot in the head. At 18.3 frames/sec, that works out to be frame 325.
I realize you've never seen this documented before, it is one of the best kept secrets of the JFK assassination.
See my film THE TWILIGHT ZONE, seeing is believing except for the majority of Americans who sadly, can no longer think independently.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Sure it does.
Connally is bent over a split second after JFK is shot in the head. Connally's head snaps downward starting at Z frame 325, 0.7 seconds after JFK is shot in the head, his head moves faster than he could have moved it by himself.
The significance of two shots 0.7 seconds apart is that the only other way to measure the time between shots shows the exact same time, 0.7 seconds!
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Both John Connelly and his wife believe that Oswald shot at them and it was only him. They have said so many times. And if you look at clear video you see his jacket pop out at the time Kennedy is hit in the throat.
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 2 years ago
Nellie didn't hear much, neither did John but others did. I put this video on because John CLEARLY says THE FORCE OF THE BULLET BENT ME OVER AND I CLEARLY SAW BLOOD IMMEDIATELY.... JGC is bent over AFTER JFK's head shot!
Nellie says that first bullet (that hit JFK did NOT hit John Connally.
So what did happen? I show there is overwhelming PROOF that the Connally's got some of their comments WRONG and some RIGHT. We have to go to OTHER EVIDENCE to sort out the right answer.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
You need to look at clear video of the shooting. Connally and Kennedy got hit at the exact same time. Nellie gets a little confused sometimes about what happened. She has never backed up the so called Magic Bullet theory however like many conspiracy people believe.
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 2 years ago
This video here is proof about how wrong Conspiracy people are. Connelly said he heard a shot and then they show Kennedy being shot and Connally reacting to the show. But that's not the case. Connally first reacted to the shot that missed everybody . The second shot hit them both and Connally had his jacket pop out and his cheeks puff out . It shows that he was hit. Connally was never hit again after that. Kennedy was.
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 2 years ago
@TELEVISIONARCHIVES AND then after what you say is the second shot Connally turns to look over his right shouder, several SECONDS later he starts to turn back to look over his left shoulder and while he is facing foward he is slammed forward in his seat, his head snaps downward faster than he could have moved it, that is the point the bullet at Z325 hits Connally in the back.
That's why MANY of the witnesses said the last two shots were BANG-BANG.
WHY is the US Government lying? Easy.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Connally was adamant, TO HIS GRAVE, that the first shot hit JFK, the second shot hit him and the third shot was the head shot that killed jfk.
AND this TO-THE-GRAVE testimony refutes the notion that Oswald fired all the shots that day, because James Tague was also injured by a separate shot that day.
Four bullets = two shooters = conspiracy.
Case closed.
duhCider 2 years ago
I amend the last remark:
Case closed?
duhCider 2 years ago
He also said Lee Harvey Oswald was the only shooter. He and his wife believed the Warren Commission 100 percent
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 2 years ago
That is absolutely incorrect. Connally said after JFK was first shot (identified a shot) he turned to look over his right shoulder, didn't see anything & as was turning to look over his left shoulder (while facing forward) he felt a blow to his back that bent him over.
Connally is bent over AFTER JFK is shot in the head.
Nellie Connally said that she argued with the Warren Commission, said the bullet couldn't hang in mid air (means JGC was shot in back several seconds after JFK first shot
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
The first shot he did look over his right shoulder. Remember, the first shot missed everything. The second shot hit Kennedy and Connally. I don't know what your looking at buy Connally was pulled down by his wife after the 3rd shot.
TELEVISIONARCHIVES 2 years ago
Connally was wrong about the order.
@Z224 Connally and JFK react
4.8 seconds
Z313 JFK shot in head
Z325 Connally bent over faster than he could have moved, that is the point the bullet hit him in the back
Z313 & Z325 frames were 0.7 seconds apart. WIth two shots so close together there had to be two different shooters.
See my other videos to see for the first time when Connally was shot in the back. You'll surely ask HOW COULD THIS HAVE BEEN HIDDEN so long?
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Connally tells you he was bent over by the bullet, that's fired after the fatal shots t JFK's head but it doesn't prove that.
What does prove that Connally was shot after JFK's head shot is the audio evidence, the recording of the shooting. In several videos I've put on UTUBE I show that the audio recording did capture the sounds of the shots no matter what the gov't says, they can't explain the shot spacing exactly matches the Z film.
Look at my video TWILIGHT ZONE to begin to understand.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
It's time to exhume JFK's body from Arlington Cemetery (if that's where it really is) and examine JFK's skull to ascertain exactly how he died.
46 years is too long to wait for the truth!
Mobilecheese 2 years ago
You don't get it. The gov't (and me too) have known for a long time what really happened in Dallas in 1963.
Look at my video RATHER'S QUESTION. It shows the last two shots were fired a split second apart, BANG-BANG.
That proves conspiracy.
That proves the government is lying, they really can't be this stupid. WHY the lies? The truth to this day will make heads roll.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Just like they lie to us about the ET presence. The government is full of idiots.
jaredballanger 2 years ago
You act like the "government" is one person or entity that can be easily controlled, do you have any idea how hard it is to stop leaks!? If there really was some giant, government conspiracy then the truth would've come out a long time ago. There is no way something of that magnitude could have been kept secret for 46 years. Literally thousands of people would have known through the years. Oswald killed JFK, I dont know if alone or not but at this point it doesn't matter, all involved are dead.
esb84 2 years ago
You"re using Vince Bugliosi's argument, you've apparently NEVER dealt with sensitive classified information.
I can show you hours of people like Bill Newman, Mary Woodworth, Dr Crenshaw, Presidential Aide Cliff Carter who died suddenly, Presidential Friend Billy Sol Estes, Roy Kellerman.... telling you it didn't happen with three shots fired from one building.
Look at my video RATHER'S QUESTION. Once you know the last two shots were BANG-BANG & when Connally was shot, conspiracy is obvious.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
No, you don't get it. You can go ahead and 'know' what you know in Dallas, just prove it please. I don't need to look at any more youtube clips, but my reccomendation to you is that you find sources other than "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" documentary. It has been disproved and discredited a thousand times over. Address what I actually just said to you and I will respond again.
esb84 2 years ago
I'm tired of reading that people think Jackie is a coward, and is saving her own skin, and all of this nonsense. How is Jackie saving herself by climbing out of the car, because as you can clearly see she doesn't jump out into the street. There is no double standard what so ever she is trying to scoop up skull fragments so that maybe the doctors can save her husband. Jackie Kennedy is a hero although she didn't save her husband, she was trying to. Anyone who thinks Jackie is selfish is disturbed
purplesnozzberries 2 years ago
You're right, Jackie was trying to retrieve a skull bone fragment that was blown backwards from the shot that was fired from the front right.
Vince Palarmara has a video where Clint Hill says that Jackie was trying to retrieve a skull fragment that went backwards.
Make sure you watch my video RATHER'S QUESTION. In that video I show for the first time exactly when Connally was shot in the back. Since the last two shots were fired BANG-BANG, it proves conspiracy. Mystery?
No, it's a SECRET!
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
scgat wrong like usualy. Hill didn't say he was sure Jackie o was retreiving a skull fragment. he said he felt she might have been. Huge difference.
arther1045 2 years ago
I agree.
Jackie was no coward and anyone who says she was is a fucking liar.
Mobilecheese 2 years ago
"Jackie was a coward"
Dirty Bastard JFK Too !
Look what he did , he made SCGATOR2001 into a retard before he did a nose dive into hell !
"The countless conspiracy books and video's which strenuously argue to the contrary of the Warren Report , constitute one of the largest bodies of fraudulent work ever created"
And Con-spiracy theorist's can take that to the bank also .
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
Here it is the fucking liar!! cdddraftsman!
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Personally, I don't think the cocksucker has a dick or pinkie or anything else. He's just got his big phallic symbol gun on his battleship channel background image that he jerks off to every day.
Mobilecheese 2 years ago
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@cdddraftsman Faggot!!!
You fucking coward calling Jackie a coward!! You dirty fucking cunt!!! Burn in hell!! You fucking bastard!!
DAVlDMlCHEALROBlNSON 7 months ago
She married JFK for his money and Onasis too . RFK took advantage by fouling up the autopsy results by interfering w/procedure's that would of resulted in exposure of JFK as a very sick person , excluding him as a possible contender for president & w/it any chance that RFK had to inherit Camelot , which was abhored by our founding fathers .
You must remember , the lie's of the Kennedy family are deeper , because they embodied gansterism and politic's nurtured by their father .
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
He reacts to the shot and doubles up at 30s into that video, not at around 47s like you are implying. You don't show the first part where he looks around after hearing the first shot.
If he was shot when you imply, who shot him? Because the only way to hit the middle of his back would be if Nellie had a gun in her belly button.
baldtony 3 years ago
The video segment is from the MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY. It's interesting that John Connally says "the force of the bullet bent me over." That of course does not agree with what the Warren Commission concluded.
I answer all your questions in my video RATHER'S QUESTION, it shows when Connally was shot in the back, and there's enough information to prove that is true.
Regards
SCGATOR2001 3 years ago
scgat again trying to prove something that didn't hapopen by ignoring the facts of the case. What is wrong with people like you.
Scgator knows because I have told him that on the Z film you can see exactly when Connally gets hit. His lapel flies up right where he is wounded and right when the WC said he was wounded. No way to twist it. All Conn can tell you is when he felt the bullet, sometimes its a delayed pin. Reagan didn't know he was hit until the hospital. Scgat..why did Conn lapel flyup?
arther1045 2 years ago
man that shot almost killed jackie kennedy and blew his head open
The6thSimpson 3 years ago