"Quark charged people for drinks and use of his holosuites"
In the DS9 episode, It's Only a Paper Moon, Captain Sisko simply glared at Quark and made that greedy bastard pay for Nog's holosuite time, since it was therapeutic.
In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Captain Sisko reminded Quark of how he pays NO rent and of all the times Chief O'Brien has fixed his shit for FREE ...
NO, motherfucker, when push comes to shove, Quark's greed was always put below -- FAR below -- the greater good.
To the people who want to nit-pick at one episode or another, remember, Star Trek is a TV show, with episodes written over the years by many, many different writers. There are bound to be some inconsistencies. But I think the overall theme is clear -- and is well stated by the Picard character in the above film clip. (That's why I posted it in the first place)
I appreciate your enthusiasm and comments in any case!
"Quark charged people for drinks and use of his holosuites"
In the DS9 episode, It's Only a Paper Moon, Captain Sisko simply glared at Quark and made that greedy bastard pay for Nog's holosuite time, since it was therapeutic.
In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Captain Sisko reminded Quark of how he pays NO rent and of all the times Chief O'Brien has fixed his shit for FREE ...
NO, motherfucker, when push comes to shove, Quark's greed was always put below -- FAR below -- the greater good.
Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
They've said that many times on TNG and DS9 but clearly it's not true. Even in the first episode of TNG they show members of the crew buying things, and on DS9 Quark charged people for drinks and use of his holosuites. The Federation must use Latinum as it's one of few substances that can't be replicated.
"In his vision of the future, Gene [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In StarTrek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full; & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, Gene Roddenberry: The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows the deal, it's HER
"[In Star Trek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation
...Star Trek's characters, at least, the GOOD guys (Starfleet/the Federation) BARTER their LABORS of LOVE...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--Tom Paris, from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
...a figure of speech, LOVE it. Jake got "paid" via the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for WHATEVER; for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
NO, WRONG. Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
klau no one is going to take you even halfway seriously if you type in all caps like that. Not to mention your comments themselves are beyond retarded.
Just stop now. Oh, and caps lock is not cruse control for cool, regardless of what failchan tells you. It just makes you look like a clueless dunce that has no idea what he's talking about at all.
@IAMELIPHAS OK, but also remember that our bright future will likely depend on compassion and collaboration - so please try to be kind. Some of us may be in darker places than others, but everyone is struggling along on their own unique path toward enlightenment!
@IAMELIPHAS Yeah, I too have ongoing challenges with some people and groups, but I have to keep reminding myself that we can't create a better world by hating people.
@bmillerbiop I just wanted to inform you that the economy in this clip is called "post scarcity." Replicators(Star Trek): can produce virtually any form of matter, as long as its not complex organisms(like humans). Replicators eliminate material scarcity, and within the federation: war and poverty have been eliminated. World hunger: history Homelessness:History. Money: Obsolete, the only reason money exists is because of scarcity.
@ddd82451 The irony is that today, things - including money - only take on value by their *scarcity*. The resources, knowledge, and technology exist now for everyone to have a decent quality of life. But running everything through a debt-based money system ensures that some can hoard vast amounts, to the detriment of the whole system. Money serves two opposing functions - medium of exchange and store of value. We're hurting because too much is being used for the latter, starving econ activity.
It's not our preoccupation with money, it's our preoccupation with "things". The fictional earth solved all their problems with unlimited energy and the ability to transform energy into matter. Once everybody could own anything or everything they wanted, there was no more competition for resources.
IF THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN POWER AND "STUFF" WHY LEAVE THE PLANET? WHY BUILD STAR SHIPS WITH CANNONS AND PHASERS? WHY NOT JUST JOIN THE BORG, THEY ARE ALL ABOUT BEING EQUAL?
IF ITS NOT ABOUT STUFF WHY ARE THERE SO MANY ANGRY LEFTIST RUNNING AROUND LEGISLATING TAKING OTHER PEOPLE'S STUFF AWAY? THEY THOUGHT THAT IF EVERYONE COULD BECOME EQUAL THAT HUMAN DESIRES AND IMPULSES WOULD ALSO BE ELIMINATED IN THE FORMER SOVIET UNION. WHEN THE BUTCHER OF ROSTOV WENT ON HIS KILLING SPREE AND MURDERED 50 CHILDREN, THE RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES HAD NO ANSWERS BECAUSE IN THEIR MINDS IT WAS INCONCIEVABLE THAT SUCH A PERSON COULD EXIST IN THE SOVIET STATE OF EQUALITY.
@Klauwsawitzz ...for the same reason you have some on the religious Right who love everyone and others who torture and kill their opponents. A single label sometimes covers saints to whackos. You can't judge all by the actions of some.
A popular but inaccurate myth that Righties promote about Lefties/Liberals is that they insist everyone be "equal". Not so! Yes, everyone should have equal *opportunity* (or at least a reasonable chance for it). If you excel at something, go for it!
@Klauwsawitzz Klauwsawitzz - your comments suggest you’re trying to judge a future alternative society based on the values of today (greed, envy, money, power, competition) - but those values are no longer working for the majority.
The above values are all about having better *stuff*, but many of us are starting to realize that stuff doesn’t make one happy. Instead of just having better stuff, we want to be better *people*.
@bmillerbiop I THINK YOU'RE WRONG THOUGH, I'M THINKING IN THE FUTURE THEY WILL PICK THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST TO RUN THINGS, I CAN'T SEE HOW THATS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN TODAY??????????????????????????????????????? OH IT WILL BE BASED ON NEPOTISM AND DECIDED BY COMMITIES INSTEAD OF HARD WORK AND MERIT. I WONDER WHO WOULD HAVE EVER WATCHED STAR TREK IF THE SHIP HAD BEEN FULL OF WALL STREET PROTESTORS WHO JUST FLEW AROUND THE GALAXY EATING RUFFLES AND HOLDING UP SIGNS?
WHAT A FUCKING DORK, ENVY IS WHAT DRIVES THESE PEOPLE, THERE WILL BE ENVY WITH OR WITHOUT MONEY. ITS BETTER THAT WE HAVE MONEY OTHERWISE IDIOTS LIKE THIS GUY WOULD BE SITTING AROUND WEARING A TOGA WRACKED WITH A BAD CASE OF PENIS ENVY. MAYBE WE SHOULD REDISTRIBUTE THE WOMEN?
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
... a figure of speech, I love it. Jake got "paid" via the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for WHATEVER; for someone ELSE'S labor of love ...
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
--United States Senator Bernie Sanders, 11/8/06
"The entire world as a whole will need to stand up and attempt to be self sufficient and productive."
Oy vey ...
"While some multimillionaires started in poverty, most did not. A study of the origins of 303 textile, railroad and steel executives of the 1870s showed that 90 percent came from middle- or upper-class families. The Horatio Alger stories of 'rags to riches' were true for a few men, but mostly a myth, & a useful myth for control."
@nomad1545 "What episode is this?" You're joking right? That's like asking "What's that Spielberg TV show with the shark that has powerful JAWS?" In case you are not joking; it's not an episode. It's the best TNG movie ever made.
Aizacc84, there's NOTHING to "laugh out loud" about when it comes to "polluting the planet" -- WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Be a coy snark or join Greenpeace or Earth First and become part of the solution?
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
The Ferengi are NOT capitalist "by nature." A DS9 episode revealed they were once charitable but then their CULTURE changed. The second to the last DS9 episode showed Ferengi culture shifting to the left when Rom became Grand Negus.
No money, no wealth, no hunger, no war,no poverty, everyone gets all of their needs and wants met due to possessing(in theory) a molecular self-assembler. An idealistic utopia where society revolves around collectively improving the human race instead of cutthroat competition.
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
Replicators, protein resequencers, unlimited energy and bio-matter whatever will NOT, repeat, NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY - NOT technology - is what defines Star Trek ...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
... it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
--from the Deep Space Nine episode, "You Are Cordially Invited"
... a figure of speech, I love it -- and Jake got "paid" by NEVER having to worry about rent, food, lights or any of the other essentials of life.
Nog: What does that mean, exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the Deep Space Nine episode, "In the Cards"
"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout, we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute for Food and Development Policy
... and there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth ...
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
... so SOMEbody in the future told Wall Street to go fuck itself!
"The Federation and in particular Earth only use credits ... when dealing with non members of the Federation who have yet to join or do not wish to do so ... credits do exist but only in rare circumstances."
THANK YOU!
The future of the Human race shouldN'T have to suffer because of some LIBERTARIAN'S lack of imagination! If one day, Humanity can evolve past the need for currency, then let it happen! Libertarians need to learn that NOT everyone is as grafty as their asses are!
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry, The Last Conversation
"I’ve never been motivated by money. I wouldn’t write a script differently if someone said they would give me $20,000 more for good will or whatever."
Anyone who actually studies Star Trek knows full well the characters have explicitly stated there's NO money ...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--Tom Paris, from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--from the movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
I call bullshit on the no money future. Star Trek clearly states that they use money in the form of credit. They have a form of money that value was put on ergo they are still using money. You can't just credit out of thing air. You have to something to back it up as value.
@lastswordfighter Lastswordfighter, are you familiar with the principles of "fiat currency" and "fractional reserve" in our current monetary system? Virtually all of our current money literally *is* created out of thin air and is backed by nothing - other than everyone's willingness to pretend it has value. Many good online films explain this: Zeitgeist Addendum, Money as Debt, The Money Fix, the new film "Thrive".
@lastswordfighter the federation and in particular earth only use credits for several resons primarily for when dealing with non members of the federation who have yet to join or do not wish to do so(and still use a monatary system) or in the case of voayger credits had to be employed as there were in the middle of nowhere with no clue as to where to find resources and had to deal with many species who had no knowledge of the federation.So yes credits do exist but only in rare circumstances
@lastswordfighter Not sure about what Star Trek you talking about but I don't think they producers would have such a big boo boo on their show... lol
Besides money can only exist as long there is someone producing something that not all people have access to. For example nobody is charging for the atmosphere (yet) so is free to bread for everyone and until it becomes a scarce resource nobody can capitalize from it.
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... and THEN you EVOLVE to a moneyless society ...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone within the next 50 years."
--Counselor Troi, from the movie, Star Trek: First Contact
... First Contact was in 2063 ... Fifty years from then is 2113 -- and I know goddamn well Earth was NOT depicted in Star Trek as having replicators at that point!
"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout, we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute for Food and Development Policy
... and there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth ...
"In terms of socialism, a lot to be learned from Scandinavia. In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts. There is a lot to be learned from countries that have created more egalitarian societies than has the United States."
"Twenty years ago when people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. In Vermont people understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of Soviet Russia or any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
"Unless Humans become like gods, perfect in every way and perfectly trustworthy"
MathGuy, you need to put a cork in it too. The Scandinavians are Humans ...
"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending. In the U.S., 17 percent of children live in poverty."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... you doN'T need to be a god, you just need to TAX the RICH !
Roddenberry: The truly serious things that we can be censored about are criticism about the military-industrial complex and advertising. You have to tread very carefully around advertising because it uses television to whet appetites and sell products. You’ve got to be careful about that.
The Humanist: Corporate interests?
Roddenberry: Corporate interests.
--from a 1991 interview with The Humanist
... THIS is the basis of the Ferengi ! Corporate interests !
Bongos, shut your LYING hole. The Ferengi were based on WHITE AMERICAN CAPITALISTS, period. Your PATHETIC attempts to try and claim that the Ferengi are SUPPOSEDLY anti-semitic is pure desperation, since THOUSANDS of protesters are outside Wall Street RIGHT NOW protesting the real life versions of the Ferengi !
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... Poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free ... They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts. There is a lot to be learned from countries that have created more egalitarian societies than has the United States."
"Twenty years ago when people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. In Vermont people understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
... the ONLY "liberty" libertarians care about is owning a MTV Cribs mansion while millions are homeless! They CONstantly invoke Stalin and ignore Scandinavia because of their GREED; they're afraid Scandinavia AND STAR TREK will inspire the poor!
"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout, we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute for Food and Development Policy
... and there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth ...
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
... so SOMEbody in the future told Wall Street to go fuck itself!
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone within the next 50 years."
--Counselor Troi, from the movie, Star Trek: First Contact
... First Contact was in 2063 ... Fifty years from then is 2113 -- and I know goddamn well Earth did NOT have replicators OR PROTEIN WHATEVERS at that point!
SIGH ... protein resequencers and unlimited energy and bio-matter whatever will NOT, repeat NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY -- NOT technology -- is what makes Star Trek Star Trek ...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war -- they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
... it's the decision to SHARE; to put LIFE above a MTV Cribs mansion!
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry (THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW), from Yvonne Fern's book, The Last Conversation
... the characters in Star Trek BARTER, got it? STOP letting the rich off the hook with all this talk of technology -- SOCIOLOGY is what accounts for Star Trek ..!
"I do believe the food replicator, synthisizer is a factor but NOT the main reason"
NO, NOT the main reason! Those ugly-ass GREEDY Ferengi have the same technology as the Federation, but look at how THEY use it! Those totalitarian Cardassians have the same technology as the Federation, but look at how THEY use it!
SOCIOLOGY trumps technology every time: Imagine a 65% / 35% split ...
"When Julian and Miles went to fight the Battle of Britain or the The Alamo, they paid for that."
WRONG again, dipshit! In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Quark refuses to settle a strike and ...
"Sisko then reads off a list of things Quark owes, including maintenance requests and the drain on the station's power supply, does some quick calculations."
--Memory Alpha, Star Trek Wiki
BARTER, motherfucker! Starfleet fixes Quark's shit and Starfleet enjoys holosuites for FREE! SUCK IT!
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
"Conditions of abundance" have NOTHING to do with it. I've lost count of how many episodes there have been (be it original, Next Gen, DS9, etc.) in which the characters were stranded on some barren, primitive planet AND YET they still managed to SHARE ...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war -- they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
@TheGreenVoter Well, you're right that sharing is the key - and if that's done on a community-wide (or planet-wide) basis, THAT will lead to conditions of abundance for all.
@bmillerbiop Unfortunately it's no where near as simple as that. Those countries, regions, governments, etc that have abundance do not have enough to share world wide. The entire world as a whole will need to stand up and attempt to be self sufficient and productive.
@AcomsRazor1776 Well, it's not about redistributing wealth (much of which was expropriated from poorer countries in the first place (e.g. oil)). It's about changing the way we define concepts like "wealth" and "abundance". I think Picard's point would be that a planet full of healthy, productive citizens is worth more than piles of cash in the hands of a relative few.
@bmillerbiop sorry to cherry pick your comment but you hit the nail on the head with a few simple words "a planet full of healthy productive citizens" the world must first be motivated towards this direction before anything else can happen. And Unfortunately "redistributing wealth and resources just isn't going to make that happen just because"
@TheGreenVoter Sharing works if you have a pre-existing relationship with someone. It's more difficult if the person is a total stranger, and harder still if you have reason to mistrust them. Unless humans become like gods, perfect in every way and perfectly trustworthy (which isn't true even in the world of Star Trek), conditions of scarcity will force people to...
...negotiate trades with one another--trades which are a lot more efficient if there can be an agreed upon standard medium of exchange (i.e. "money"). If people are not provided with such a medium, they will invent one. You cannot stop people from inventing money when they feel a need for it except by force, and in so doing violate their liberty.
Dude, Federation citizens and Starfleet officers DO barter ... In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Quark refuses to settle a strike and ...
"Sisko then reads off a list of things Quark owes, including maintenance requests and the drain on the station's power supply, does some quick calculations."
BARTER! Starfleet officers fix Quark's shit ("maintenance requests"), and as a result, Starfleet officers get to enjoy whatever Quark has to offer! It's so simple, even a caveman can get it!
Well, the watchwords for the future are "gift economy" or pay-it-forward economy. Under conditions of abundance, there's no need for transactional exchange: "I'll give you 'x' if you give me 'y'. The latter is a step above the laws of the jungle - but we can do better.
But yeah, in the Star Trek story, the Ferenghi are the ultimate "business stereotype. They certainly are not going to get the idea of gifting (i.e. offering without expectation of immediate reward).
@TheGreenVoter No....the Federation of Planets DO NOT BARTER, but DS9 was an exemption, it was dealing with worlds beyond the jurisdiction of the federation, Ferengi was not part of the Federation and therefore, Ferengi did not comply with the same principles set forth in the Federation of Planets. Ferengi by nature are pure capitalists, the Federation was only working in a manner that Ferengi can relate to.
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war -- they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
First Contact was in 2063 -- NOT a replicator in sight ..!
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
When Trip said that, it was the 2150s -- again, NOT a replicator in sight ..!
@TheGreenVoter First Contact concludes with, yes, First Contact with the Vulcans. Being significantly more advanced at that time than humanity, they may have had the same precursors to the replicator that we see on the Enterprise of Archer's time. Even if they didn't, humanity not only can come together without being communist, history has shown that communism *retards* progress.
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war -- they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
... the root word for communism is commune and Humanity became more communal ...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
@TheGreenVoter I don't think they even barter in the Star Trek world. People contribute their efforts and talent to the system, and are then sustained by that system. A healthy, happy society arises from healthy, happy citizens.
@bmillerbiop The Federation must use money, as it's been made clear that Latinum (and Dilythium) can't be replicated. Even if they don't use money within the Federation they still need it when dealing with other alien civilizations. They might mine most of their own dilythium. Since most things can be replicated (remember that the Federation was going to give the Cardassians industrial replicators) there is likely little need for money within the Federation itself.
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry (THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW), from Yvonne Fern's book, The Last Conversation
... the characters in Star Trek BARTER, got it? STOP letting the rich off the hook with all this talk of technology -- SOCIOLOGY is what accounts for Star Trek ..!
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
"A study in the American Journal of Public Health shows that in the United States nearly 45,000 DEATHS annually can be linked to a LACK of health insurance. That’s over 120 preventable DEATHS every day."
--The Capital Times (Wisconsin), 11/22/10
... in contrast, commies like Doctors Phlox, McCoy, Crusher and Bashir provide free universal health care!
We ALREADY have the tech to solve SOME problems ...
"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout, we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute for Food and Development Policy
... and there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth ...
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
... so SOMEbody in the future told Wall Street to go fuck itself!
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war -- they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
The root word for communism is commune and the Human race became one big commune after First Contact, which was 2063.
By the 2150s, you had the characters from Star Trek: Enterprise eating in a GALLEY run by a CHEF. NOT a replicator in sight!
"I do believe the food replicator, synthisizer is a factor but NOT the main reason"
NO, NOT the main reason! Those ugly-ass GREEDY Ferengi have the same technology as the Federation, but look at how THEY use it! Those totalitarian Cardassians have the same technology as the Federation, but look at how THEY use it!
SOCIOLOGY trumps technology every time: Imagine a 65% / 35% split ...
"When Julian and Miles went to fight the Battle of Britain or the The Alamo, they paid for that."
WRONG again, dipshit! In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Quark refuses to settle a strike and ...
"Sisko then reads off a list of things Quark owes, including maintenance requests and the drain on the station's power supply, does some quick calculations."
"When Julian and Miles went to fight the Battle of Britain or the The Alamo, they paid for that."
WRONG again, dipshit! In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Quark refuses to settle a strike and ...
"Sisko then reads off a list of things Quark owes, including maintenance requests and the drain on the station's power supply, does some quick calculations."
BARTER, motherfucker! Starfleet fixes Quarks shit and Starfleet enjoys holosuites for FREE! SUCK IT!
"When Julian and Miles went to fight the Battle of Britain or the The Alamo, they paid for that."
WRONG again, dipshit! In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Quark refuses to settle a strike and ...
"Sisko then reads off a list of things Quark owes, including maintenance requests and the drain on the station's power supply, does some quick calculations."
BARTER, motherfucker! Starfleet fixes Quarks shit and Starfleet enjoys holosuites for FREE! SUCK IT!
@nobodysperfect06 Nah - if that was the case, somebody would have to pay for the replicator :-)
I like to think it's because (as Picard states) people have higher motivations than accumulating stuff and money - they want to be better people. And you do that best by working to benefit each other, not by simply using others for personal material gain.
yeah, but I do believe the food replicator, synthisizer is a factor but not the main reason, but overall i agree, i wish we had that kind of society, life
@bmillerbiop No, it's the technology. Even as far back as the time of Archer and crew they had the precursor of the replicator, and Kirk's time had an improvement on that. DS9 showed that people haven't really evolved much at all, but that technology has allowed them the illusion of it. We've seen in our own world how this works. The real reason for the emancipation of women is technology. And formerly slaves did a lot of the shit work that machines began to take over 300+ years ago.
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
NO, the Federation does NOT need gold-pressed latinum to deal with other civilizations.
In the Deep Space Nine episode, "It's Only a Paper Moon," Nog moves into the holodeck and Quark asks who's going to pay for the time? Capt. Sisko simply glared at Quark, to wit, Quark said, "I guess *I* am."
Corporate greed is NOT tolerated by Starfleet or the Federation. Nog NEEDED that holodeck time to heal from having lost his leg. THAT came FIRST.
@TheGreenVoter Someone had to pay for that holodeck time - it was Quark. When Julian and Miles went to fight the Battle of Britain or the The Alamo, they paid for that time. Since the currency in common with all the different civilizations of at least the Alpha Quadrant is Latinum - which can't be replicated - they must have paid with Latinum. Since it can't be replicated they must get paid. Please think about these things before posting - you'll look at least a bit less of a fool.
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry, The Last Conversation
"I’ve never been motivated by money. I wouldn’t write a script differently if someone said they would give me $20,000 more for good will or whatever."
"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout, we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute for Food and Development Policy
... and there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth ...
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
... so SOMEbody in the future told Wall Street to go fuck itself!
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
... the root word for communism is commune and the Human race became one big commune after First Contact, which was 2063. By the 2150s, you had the characters from Star Trek: Enterprise eating in a GALLEY run by a CHEF.
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia. In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free."
--U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
... what YOU have in mind is some Stalinistic stereotype straight out of Patrick Swayze's Red Dawn -- as is the case with all too many ...
"I’ve never been motivated by money. I wouldn’t write a script differently if someone said they would give me $20,000 more for good will or whatever."
--Gene Roddenberry, from his 1991 interview with The Humanist
... sick of this shit. It's NOT the responsibility of celebrities to share the wealth. This is SUPPOSED to be a government of the people, by the people, and most importantly, FOR the people! God!
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry, from Yvonne Fern's book, The Last Conversation
"I’ve never been motivated by money. I wouldn’t write a script differently if someone said they would give me $20,000 more for good will or whatever."
--Gene Roddenberry, from his 1991 interview with The Humanist
... sick of this shit. It's NOT the responsibility of celebrities to share the wealth. This is SUPPOSED to be a government of the people, by the people, and most importantly, FOR the people! God!
@TheGreenVoter The point, moron, is that it's easy to say money doesn't matter if you've stagnant with the stuff. It would have about as much meaning as Clooney saying looks don't matter, or John Holmes that size doesn't matter. Give me a break. You're just unbelievably stupid. I can only figure you're pretending, that you must get a kick out of it somehow, because no one is *that* stupid in the real world.
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"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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Jake Sisko: Sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
A figure of speech! Jake got "paid" by the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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For the 999,999,999th time, there's NO money WITHIN the Federation ..!
"in the first episode of TNG they show members of the crew buying things"
The crew dealt with vendors from OUTSIDE the Federation! That episode's title? Encounter at FARpoint, as in, FAR away from home, duh!
"[In StarTrek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, Gene Roddenberry: The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"Quark charged people for drinks and use of his holosuites"
In the DS9 episode, It's Only a Paper Moon, Captain Sisko simply glared at Quark and made that greedy bastard pay for Nog's holosuite time, since it was therapeutic.
In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Captain Sisko reminded Quark of how he pays NO rent and of all the times Chief O'Brien has fixed his shit for FREE ...
NO, motherfucker, when push comes to shove, Quark's greed was always put below -- FAR below -- the greater good.
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 2 weeks ago
To the people who want to nit-pick at one episode or another, remember, Star Trek is a TV show, with episodes written over the years by many, many different writers. There are bound to be some inconsistencies. But I think the overall theme is clear -- and is well stated by the Picard character in the above film clip. (That's why I posted it in the first place)
I appreciate your enthusiasm and comments in any case!
-Bill
bmillerbiop 2 weeks ago
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@bmillerbiop
"I think the overall theme is clear -- and is well stated by the Picard character"
Yeah, you would think so, but given how threatened libertarians are by Roddenberry's vision ...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--Tom Paris, from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
... well, let's just say repetition is necessary ...
TheGreenVoter 2 weeks ago 7
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"I think the overall theme is clear -- and is well stated by the Picard character"
Yeah, you would think so, but given how threatened libertarians are by Roddenberry's vision ...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--Tom Paris, from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
... well, let's just say repetition is necessary.
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
TheGreenVoter 3 weeks ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 3 weeks ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
A figure of speech! Jake got "paid" by the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 3 weeks ago
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For the 999,999,999th time, there's NO money WITHIN the Federation ..!
"in the first episode of TNG they show members of the crew buying things"
The crew dealt with vendors from OUTSIDE the Federation! That episode's title? Encounter at FARpoint, as in, FAR away from home, duh!
"[In StarTrek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, Gene Roddenberry: The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
TheGreenVoter 3 weeks ago
"Quark charged people for drinks and use of his holosuites"
In the DS9 episode, It's Only a Paper Moon, Captain Sisko simply glared at Quark and made that greedy bastard pay for Nog's holosuite time, since it was therapeutic.
In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Captain Sisko reminded Quark of how he pays NO rent and of all the times Chief O'Brien has fixed his shit for FREE ...
NO, motherfucker, when push comes to shove, Quark's greed was always put below -- FAR below -- the greater good.
TheGreenVoter 3 weeks ago
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"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 3 weeks ago
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Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
TheGreenVoter 3 weeks ago
REPLICATOR hands down what we need in this world
nateextreme0969 3 weeks ago
4:07 I'm pretty sure we already have that technology, but she seems really thrown by it. D'oh! ;-)
mrjjking77 3 weeks ago
They've said that many times on TNG and DS9 but clearly it's not true. Even in the first episode of TNG they show members of the crew buying things, and on DS9 Quark charged people for drinks and use of his holosuites. The Federation must use Latinum as it's one of few substances that can't be replicated.
mrjjking77 3 weeks ago
bmillerbiop sounds enthusiastic lol
catbuffalo 1 month ago
@catbuffalo Thanks! For someone usually accused of being an introvert, that's a compliment!
bmillerbiop 1 month ago
"Social action must be animated by a vision of a future society."
--Professor Noam Chomsky
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
"In his vision of the future, Gene [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In StarTrek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full; & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, Gene Roddenberry: The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows the deal, it's HER
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
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"[In Star Trek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation
...Star Trek's characters, at least, the GOOD guys (Starfleet/the Federation) BARTER their LABORS of LOVE...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--Tom Paris, from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry, Yvonne Fern's The Last Conversation
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
...a figure of speech, LOVE it. Jake got "paid" via the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for WHATEVER; for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
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"It'll take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger.For the price of the WallStreetBailout we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute For Food & Development Policy
...& there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth...
"War, disease, hunger? Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
...so SOMEone in the future told Wall St. to fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
Replicators, protein resequencers, unlimited energy & bio-matter whatever will NOT, repeat, NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY, NOT technology, defines Star Trek...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
NO, WRONG. Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
klau no one is going to take you even halfway seriously if you type in all caps like that. Not to mention your comments themselves are beyond retarded.
Just stop now. Oh, and caps lock is not cruse control for cool, regardless of what failchan tells you. It just makes you look like a clueless dunce that has no idea what he's talking about at all.
IAMELIPHAS 1 month ago
@IAMELIPHAS OK, but also remember that our bright future will likely depend on compassion and collaboration - so please try to be kind. Some of us may be in darker places than others, but everyone is struggling along on their own unique path toward enlightenment!
bmillerbiop 1 month ago
@bmillerbiop hard as hell to be kind to people when >70% of them are clueless morons like Klauwsawittzz
IAMELIPHAS 1 month ago
@IAMELIPHAS Yeah, I too have ongoing challenges with some people and groups, but I have to keep reminding myself that we can't create a better world by hating people.
bmillerbiop 1 month ago
@bmillerbiop I just wanted to inform you that the economy in this clip is called "post scarcity." Replicators(Star Trek): can produce virtually any form of matter, as long as its not complex organisms(like humans). Replicators eliminate material scarcity, and within the federation: war and poverty have been eliminated. World hunger: history Homelessness:History. Money: Obsolete, the only reason money exists is because of scarcity.
ddd82451 1 month ago
@ddd82451 The irony is that today, things - including money - only take on value by their *scarcity*. The resources, knowledge, and technology exist now for everyone to have a decent quality of life. But running everything through a debt-based money system ensures that some can hoard vast amounts, to the detriment of the whole system. Money serves two opposing functions - medium of exchange and store of value. We're hurting because too much is being used for the latter, starving econ activity.
bmillerbiop 1 month ago
@bmillerbiop Correct. Money just serves as a reminder to most people what they don't have enough of(a sign of greed).
ddd82451 1 month ago
It's not our preoccupation with money, it's our preoccupation with "things". The fictional earth solved all their problems with unlimited energy and the ability to transform energy into matter. Once everybody could own anything or everything they wanted, there was no more competition for resources.
mdtalley 1 month ago
SOME POOR WRETCHED SOUL HAD TO CLEAN THE TOILETS IN THE SHIP MANUFACTURING COMPLEX NOW DID'NT THEY? OR DO PEOPLE NO LONGER SHIT IN THE FUTURE?
Klauwsawitzz 1 month ago
IF THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN POWER AND "STUFF" WHY LEAVE THE PLANET? WHY BUILD STAR SHIPS WITH CANNONS AND PHASERS? WHY NOT JUST JOIN THE BORG, THEY ARE ALL ABOUT BEING EQUAL?
Klauwsawitzz 1 month ago
IF ITS NOT ABOUT STUFF WHY ARE THERE SO MANY ANGRY LEFTIST RUNNING AROUND LEGISLATING TAKING OTHER PEOPLE'S STUFF AWAY? THEY THOUGHT THAT IF EVERYONE COULD BECOME EQUAL THAT HUMAN DESIRES AND IMPULSES WOULD ALSO BE ELIMINATED IN THE FORMER SOVIET UNION. WHEN THE BUTCHER OF ROSTOV WENT ON HIS KILLING SPREE AND MURDERED 50 CHILDREN, THE RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES HAD NO ANSWERS BECAUSE IN THEIR MINDS IT WAS INCONCIEVABLE THAT SUCH A PERSON COULD EXIST IN THE SOVIET STATE OF EQUALITY.
Klauwsawitzz 1 month ago
@Klauwsawitzz ...for the same reason you have some on the religious Right who love everyone and others who torture and kill their opponents. A single label sometimes covers saints to whackos. You can't judge all by the actions of some.
A popular but inaccurate myth that Righties promote about Lefties/Liberals is that they insist everyone be "equal". Not so! Yes, everyone should have equal *opportunity* (or at least a reasonable chance for it). If you excel at something, go for it!
bmillerbiop 1 month ago
DOES POWER STILL EXIST IN THE 24TH CENTURY? WHAT IS MONEY WITHOUT POWER? ARE THEY ALL EQUAL OR IS PICARD IN POWER?
Klauwsawitzz 1 month ago
@Klauwsawitzz Klauwsawitzz - your comments suggest you’re trying to judge a future alternative society based on the values of today (greed, envy, money, power, competition) - but those values are no longer working for the majority.
The above values are all about having better *stuff*, but many of us are starting to realize that stuff doesn’t make one happy. Instead of just having better stuff, we want to be better *people*.
bmillerbiop 1 month ago
@bmillerbiop I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, "OUT OF SYMPATHY, IN THE FUTURE THEY WILL ALLOW THE MENTALLY RETARDED TO FLY THE SHIP."
Klauwsawitzz 1 month ago
@bmillerbiop I THINK YOU'RE WRONG THOUGH, I'M THINKING IN THE FUTURE THEY WILL PICK THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST TO RUN THINGS, I CAN'T SEE HOW THATS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN TODAY??????????????????????????????????????? OH IT WILL BE BASED ON NEPOTISM AND DECIDED BY COMMITIES INSTEAD OF HARD WORK AND MERIT. I WONDER WHO WOULD HAVE EVER WATCHED STAR TREK IF THE SHIP HAD BEEN FULL OF WALL STREET PROTESTORS WHO JUST FLEW AROUND THE GALAXY EATING RUFFLES AND HOLDING UP SIGNS?
Klauwsawitzz 1 month ago
WHAT A FUCKING DORK, ENVY IS WHAT DRIVES THESE PEOPLE, THERE WILL BE ENVY WITH OR WITHOUT MONEY. ITS BETTER THAT WE HAVE MONEY OTHERWISE IDIOTS LIKE THIS GUY WOULD BE SITTING AROUND WEARING A TOGA WRACKED WITH A BAD CASE OF PENIS ENVY. MAYBE WE SHOULD REDISTRIBUTE THE WOMEN?
Klauwsawitzz 1 month ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry, Yvonne Fern's The Last Conversation
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book today.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, "You Are Cordially Invited"
... a figure of speech, I love it. Jake got "paid" via the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for WHATEVER; for someone ELSE'S labor of love ...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, "In the Cards"
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
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Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology & mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, suddenly y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the ChurchLady from SaturdayNightLive would say: "How convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!" The hypocrisy is highly suspicious & absolutely staggering.
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
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"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--Institute for Food & Development Policy
...& there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth...
"How about war, disease, hunger? Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
...so SOMEbody in the future told Wall Street to go fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
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"When people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the SovietUnion. Now they think about Scandinavia; people understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--Senator Bernie Sanders
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of SovietRussia or any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
--Prof. Howard Zinn
THAT'S Star Trek!
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
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"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
--United States Senator Bernie Sanders, 11/8/06
... Scandinavia today, Star Trek tomorrow ...
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
"The entire world as a whole will need to stand up and attempt to be self sufficient and productive."
Oy vey ...
"While some multimillionaires started in poverty, most did not. A study of the origins of 303 textile, railroad and steel executives of the 1870s showed that 90 percent came from middle- or upper-class families. The Horatio Alger stories of 'rags to riches' were true for a few men, but mostly a myth, & a useful myth for control."
--Prof. Howard Zinn
TheGreenVoter 1 month ago
What episode is this?
nomad1545 2 months ago
@nomad1545 It's actually one of the feature length movies - "First Contact"
bmillerbiop 2 months ago
@nomad1545 "What episode is this?" You're joking right? That's like asking "What's that Spielberg TV show with the shark that has powerful JAWS?" In case you are not joking; it's not an episode. It's the best TNG movie ever made.
BondFreek 2 months ago
Aizacc84, there's NOTHING to "laugh out loud" about when it comes to "polluting the planet" -- WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Be a coy snark or join Greenpeace or Earth First and become part of the solution?
TheGreenVoter 2 months ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
TheGreenVoter 2 months ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my first book today.
Quark: Really? How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the Deep Space Nine episode, "You Are Cordially Invited"
... if it's "just a figure of speech," that means Jake BARTERED his labor of love. Get over it ...
TheGreenVoter 2 months ago
The Ferengi are NOT capitalist "by nature." A DS9 episode revealed they were once charitable but then their CULTURE changed. The second to the last DS9 episode showed Ferengi culture shifting to the left when Rom became Grand Negus.
TheGreenVoter 2 months ago
watch?v=fzleyGPIkBg
A new economy.
beauxq 2 months ago
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No money, no wealth, no hunger, no war,no poverty, everyone gets all of their needs and wants met due to possessing(in theory) a molecular self-assembler. An idealistic utopia where society revolves around collectively improving the human race instead of cutthroat competition.
That's a world I would like to live in.
ddd82451 2 months ago
"The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives, we work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity." -Jean Luc Picard
AWESOME!!!
Josephjoel3 2 months ago
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
TheGreenVoter 2 months ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my first book today.
Quark: Really? How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the Deep Space Nine episode, "You Are Cordially Invited"
... a figure of speech, I love it, and Jake got "paid" by NEVER having to worry about rent, food, lights or any other essential of life ...
Nog: What does that mean, exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the Deep Space Nine episode, "In the Cards"
TheGreenVoter 2 months ago
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Replicators, protein resequencers, unlimited energy and bio-matter whatever will NOT, repeat, NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY - NOT technology - is what defines Star Trek ...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
... it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 3 months ago
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Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
TheGreenVoter 3 months ago
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Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--from the movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 3 months ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my first book today.
Quark: Really? How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the Deep Space Nine episode, "You Are Cordially Invited"
... a figure of speech, I love it -- and Jake got "paid" by NEVER having to worry about rent, food, lights or any of the other essentials of life.
Nog: What does that mean, exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the Deep Space Nine episode, "In the Cards"
TheGreenVoter 3 months ago
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"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout, we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute for Food and Development Policy
... and there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth ...
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
... so SOMEbody in the future told Wall Street to go fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 3 months ago
"The Federation and in particular Earth only use credits ... when dealing with non members of the Federation who have yet to join or do not wish to do so ... credits do exist but only in rare circumstances."
THANK YOU!
The future of the Human race shouldN'T have to suffer because of some LIBERTARIAN'S lack of imagination! If one day, Humanity can evolve past the need for currency, then let it happen! Libertarians need to learn that NOT everyone is as grafty as their asses are!
TheGreenVoter 3 months ago
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favorite scene from one of my favorite films. much appreciated
st33vv33 3 months ago
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st33vv33 3 months ago
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry, The Last Conversation
"I’ve never been motivated by money. I wouldn’t write a script differently if someone said they would give me $20,000 more for good will or whatever."
--Gene Roddenberry, The Humanist (1991)
TheGreenVoter 3 months ago
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Jake Sisko: I'm Human, I don't have any money.
Nog: It's not my fault that your species decided to abandon currency-based economics in favor of some philosophy of self-enhancement.
Jake Sisko: Hey, watch it. There's nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity.
Nog: What does that mean, exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 3 months ago
Anyone who actually studies Star Trek knows full well the characters have explicitly stated there's NO money ...
Jake Sisko: I sold my first book today.
Quark: Really? How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the Deep Space Nine episode, You Are Cordially Invited
... a figure of speech, I love it ...
TheGreenVoter 3 months ago
Anyone who actually studies Star Trek knows full well the characters have explicitly stated there's NO money ...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--Tom Paris, from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--from the movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 3 months ago
I call bullshit on the no money future. Star Trek clearly states that they use money in the form of credit. They have a form of money that value was put on ergo they are still using money. You can't just credit out of thing air. You have to something to back it up as value.
lastswordfighter 3 months ago
@lastswordfighter Lastswordfighter, are you familiar with the principles of "fiat currency" and "fractional reserve" in our current monetary system? Virtually all of our current money literally *is* created out of thin air and is backed by nothing - other than everyone's willingness to pretend it has value. Many good online films explain this: Zeitgeist Addendum, Money as Debt, The Money Fix, the new film "Thrive".
bmillerbiop 3 months ago 10
@lastswordfighter the federation and in particular earth only use credits for several resons primarily for when dealing with non members of the federation who have yet to join or do not wish to do so(and still use a monatary system) or in the case of voayger credits had to be employed as there were in the middle of nowhere with no clue as to where to find resources and had to deal with many species who had no knowledge of the federation.So yes credits do exist but only in rare circumstances
oreolvrsshane1987 3 months ago
@lastswordfighter Not sure about what Star Trek you talking about but I don't think they producers would have such a big boo boo on their show... lol
Besides money can only exist as long there is someone producing something that not all people have access to. For example nobody is charging for the atmosphere (yet) so is free to bread for everyone and until it becomes a scarce resource nobody can capitalize from it.
Ramiromasters 3 months ago
@Ramiromasters The way we are polluting the planet, air is going to be a scarce resource... lol
Aizacc84 2 months ago
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Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
You start by taxing the rich ...
"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... and THEN you EVOLVE to a moneyless society ...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--Tom Paris, Star Trek: Voyager
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago 12
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"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone within the next 50 years."
--Counselor Troi, from the movie, Star Trek: First Contact
... First Contact was in 2063 ... Fifty years from then is 2113 -- and I know goddamn well Earth was NOT depicted in Star Trek as having replicators at that point!
They're commies, period.
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout, we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute for Food and Development Policy
... and there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth ...
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
... so SOMEbody in the future told Wall Street to go fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"In terms of socialism, a lot to be learned from Scandinavia. In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts. There is a lot to be learned from countries that have created more egalitarian societies than has the United States."
--U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago 4
"Twenty years ago when people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. In Vermont people understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of Soviet Russia or any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
--Prof. Howard Zinn (1922 - 2010)
THAT'S Star Trek!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago 3
"Unless Humans become like gods, perfect in every way and perfectly trustworthy"
MathGuy, you need to put a cork in it too. The Scandinavians are Humans ...
"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending. In the U.S., 17 percent of children live in poverty."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... you doN'T need to be a god, you just need to TAX the RICH !
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
@TheGreenVoter How can you tax the rich in a moneyless society?
Thoout 4 months ago
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Roddenberry: The truly serious things that we can be censored about are criticism about the military-industrial complex and advertising. You have to tread very carefully around advertising because it uses television to whet appetites and sell products. You’ve got to be careful about that.
The Humanist: Corporate interests?
Roddenberry: Corporate interests.
--from a 1991 interview with The Humanist
... THIS is the basis of the Ferengi ! Corporate interests !
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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Bongos, shut your LYING hole. The Ferengi were based on WHITE AMERICAN CAPITALISTS, period. Your PATHETIC attempts to try and claim that the Ferengi are SUPPOSEDLY anti-semitic is pure desperation, since THOUSANDS of protesters are outside Wall Street RIGHT NOW protesting the real life versions of the Ferengi !
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--Tom Paris, from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--from the movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... Poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free ... They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts. There is a lot to be learned from countries that have created more egalitarian societies than has the United States."
--U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
This ain't that movie Red Dawn!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"Twenty years ago when people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. In Vermont people understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
... the ONLY "liberty" libertarians care about is owning a MTV Cribs mansion while millions are homeless! They CONstantly invoke Stalin and ignore Scandinavia because of their GREED; they're afraid Scandinavia AND STAR TREK will inspire the poor!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout, we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute for Food and Development Policy
... and there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth ...
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
... so SOMEbody in the future told Wall Street to go fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone within the next 50 years."
--Counselor Troi, from the movie, Star Trek: First Contact
... First Contact was in 2063 ... Fifty years from then is 2113 -- and I know goddamn well Earth did NOT have replicators OR PROTEIN WHATEVERS at that point!
They're commies, period.
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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SIGH ... protein resequencers and unlimited energy and bio-matter whatever will NOT, repeat NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY -- NOT technology -- is what makes Star Trek Star Trek ...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war -- they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
... it's the decision to SHARE; to put LIFE above a MTV Cribs mansion!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry (THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW), from Yvonne Fern's book, The Last Conversation
... the characters in Star Trek BARTER, got it? STOP letting the rich off the hook with all this talk of technology -- SOCIOLOGY is what accounts for Star Trek ..!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"I do believe the food replicator, synthisizer is a factor but NOT the main reason"
NO, NOT the main reason! Those ugly-ass GREEDY Ferengi have the same technology as the Federation, but look at how THEY use it! Those totalitarian Cardassians have the same technology as the Federation, but look at how THEY use it!
SOCIOLOGY trumps technology every time: Imagine a 65% / 35% split ...
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"When Julian and Miles went to fight the Battle of Britain or the The Alamo, they paid for that."
WRONG again, dipshit! In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Quark refuses to settle a strike and ...
"Sisko then reads off a list of things Quark owes, including maintenance requests and the drain on the station's power supply, does some quick calculations."
--Memory Alpha, Star Trek Wiki
BARTER, motherfucker! Starfleet fixes Quark's shit and Starfleet enjoys holosuites for FREE! SUCK IT!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"Conditions of abundance" have NOTHING to do with it. I've lost count of how many episodes there have been (be it original, Next Gen, DS9, etc.) in which the characters were stranded on some barren, primitive planet AND YET they still managed to SHARE ...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war -- they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
@TheGreenVoter Well, you're right that sharing is the key - and if that's done on a community-wide (or planet-wide) basis, THAT will lead to conditions of abundance for all.
bmillerbiop 4 months ago
@bmillerbiop Unfortunately it's no where near as simple as that. Those countries, regions, governments, etc that have abundance do not have enough to share world wide. The entire world as a whole will need to stand up and attempt to be self sufficient and productive.
AcomsRazor1776 2 months ago
@AcomsRazor1776 Well, it's not about redistributing wealth (much of which was expropriated from poorer countries in the first place (e.g. oil)). It's about changing the way we define concepts like "wealth" and "abundance". I think Picard's point would be that a planet full of healthy, productive citizens is worth more than piles of cash in the hands of a relative few.
bmillerbiop 2 months ago
@bmillerbiop sorry to cherry pick your comment but you hit the nail on the head with a few simple words "a planet full of healthy productive citizens" the world must first be motivated towards this direction before anything else can happen. And Unfortunately "redistributing wealth and resources just isn't going to make that happen just because"
AcomsRazor1776 2 months ago
@TheGreenVoter Sharing works if you have a pre-existing relationship with someone. It's more difficult if the person is a total stranger, and harder still if you have reason to mistrust them. Unless humans become like gods, perfect in every way and perfectly trustworthy (which isn't true even in the world of Star Trek), conditions of scarcity will force people to...
TheMathGuy 4 months ago
...negotiate trades with one another--trades which are a lot more efficient if there can be an agreed upon standard medium of exchange (i.e. "money"). If people are not provided with such a medium, they will invent one. You cannot stop people from inventing money when they feel a need for it except by force, and in so doing violate their liberty.
TheMathGuy 4 months ago
Dude, Federation citizens and Starfleet officers DO barter ... In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Quark refuses to settle a strike and ...
"Sisko then reads off a list of things Quark owes, including maintenance requests and the drain on the station's power supply, does some quick calculations."
BARTER! Starfleet officers fix Quark's shit ("maintenance requests"), and as a result, Starfleet officers get to enjoy whatever Quark has to offer! It's so simple, even a caveman can get it!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
Well, the watchwords for the future are "gift economy" or pay-it-forward economy. Under conditions of abundance, there's no need for transactional exchange: "I'll give you 'x' if you give me 'y'. The latter is a step above the laws of the jungle - but we can do better.
But yeah, in the Star Trek story, the Ferenghi are the ultimate "business stereotype. They certainly are not going to get the idea of gifting (i.e. offering without expectation of immediate reward).
bmillerbiop 4 months ago
@bmillerbiop The Ferengi are just the modern day version of Shakespear's character Shylock, and created for similarly bigoted reasons.
BigDaddyBongos 4 months ago
@TheGreenVoter No....the Federation of Planets DO NOT BARTER, but DS9 was an exemption, it was dealing with worlds beyond the jurisdiction of the federation, Ferengi was not part of the Federation and therefore, Ferengi did not comply with the same principles set forth in the Federation of Planets. Ferengi by nature are pure capitalists, the Federation was only working in a manner that Ferengi can relate to.
EasternMerchant 2 months ago
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war -- they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
First Contact was in 2063 -- NOT a replicator in sight ..!
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
When Trip said that, it was the 2150s -- again, NOT a replicator in sight ..!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
@TheGreenVoter First Contact concludes with, yes, First Contact with the Vulcans. Being significantly more advanced at that time than humanity, they may have had the same precursors to the replicator that we see on the Enterprise of Archer's time. Even if they didn't, humanity not only can come together without being communist, history has shown that communism *retards* progress.
davenielsen78 4 months ago
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"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war -- they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
... the root word for communism is commune and Humanity became more communal ...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--Star Trek: Voyager
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
@TheGreenVoter I don't think they even barter in the Star Trek world. People contribute their efforts and talent to the system, and are then sustained by that system. A healthy, happy society arises from healthy, happy citizens.
bmillerbiop 4 months ago
@bmillerbiop The Federation must use money, as it's been made clear that Latinum (and Dilythium) can't be replicated. Even if they don't use money within the Federation they still need it when dealing with other alien civilizations. They might mine most of their own dilythium. Since most things can be replicated (remember that the Federation was going to give the Cardassians industrial replicators) there is likely little need for money within the Federation itself.
davenielsen78 4 months ago
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry (THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW), from Yvonne Fern's book, The Last Conversation
... the characters in Star Trek BARTER, got it? STOP letting the rich off the hook with all this talk of technology -- SOCIOLOGY is what accounts for Star Trek ..!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
Money doesn't exist, but replicator credit does.
Civsuccess2 4 months ago
Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"A study in the American Journal of Public Health shows that in the United States nearly 45,000 DEATHS annually can be linked to a LACK of health insurance. That’s over 120 preventable DEATHS every day."
--The Capital Times (Wisconsin), 11/22/10
... in contrast, commies like Doctors Phlox, McCoy, Crusher and Bashir provide free universal health care!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago 6
We ALREADY have the tech to solve SOME problems ...
"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout, we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute for Food and Development Policy
... and there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth ...
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
... so SOMEbody in the future told Wall Street to go fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war -- they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
The root word for communism is commune and the Human race became one big commune after First Contact, which was 2063.
By the 2150s, you had the characters from Star Trek: Enterprise eating in a GALLEY run by a CHEF. NOT a replicator in sight!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"I do believe the food replicator, synthisizer is a factor but NOT the main reason"
NO, NOT the main reason! Those ugly-ass GREEDY Ferengi have the same technology as the Federation, but look at how THEY use it! Those totalitarian Cardassians have the same technology as the Federation, but look at how THEY use it!
SOCIOLOGY trumps technology every time: Imagine a 65% / 35% split ...
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"When Julian and Miles went to fight the Battle of Britain or the The Alamo, they paid for that."
WRONG again, dipshit! In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Quark refuses to settle a strike and ...
"Sisko then reads off a list of things Quark owes, including maintenance requests and the drain on the station's power supply, does some quick calculations."
BARTER, motherfucker! Starfleet fixes Quarks shit and Starfleet enjoys holosuites for FREE! SUCK IT!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"When Julian and Miles went to fight the Battle of Britain or the The Alamo, they paid for that."
WRONG again, dipshit! In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Quark refuses to settle a strike and ...
"Sisko then reads off a list of things Quark owes, including maintenance requests and the drain on the station's power supply, does some quick calculations."
BARTER, motherfucker! Starfleet fixes Quarks shit and Starfleet enjoys holosuites for FREE! SUCK IT!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"When Julian and Miles went to fight the Battle of Britain or the The Alamo, they paid for that."
WRONG again, dipshit! In the DS9 episode, Bar Association, Quark refuses to settle a strike and ...
"Sisko then reads off a list of things Quark owes, including maintenance requests and the drain on the station's power supply, does some quick calculations."
BARTER, motherfucker! Starfleet fixes Quarks shit and Starfleet enjoys holosuites for FREE! SUCK IT!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
I don't think not having any form of credits or barter is possible, even in the future.
mawriz 4 months ago
the food replicator, synthisizer, is that the main reason why money does not exist in the Star Trek storyline?
nobodysperfect06 4 months ago
@nobodysperfect06 Nah - if that was the case, somebody would have to pay for the replicator :-)
I like to think it's because (as Picard states) people have higher motivations than accumulating stuff and money - they want to be better people. And you do that best by working to benefit each other, not by simply using others for personal material gain.
bmillerbiop 4 months ago
yeah, but I do believe the food replicator, synthisizer is a factor but not the main reason, but overall i agree, i wish we had that kind of society, life
nobodysperfect06 4 months ago
@bmillerbiop
You can replicate all parts of replicator...if you have a big replicator, you can replicate smaller replicator. The only thing cost money is labor.
Civsuccess2 4 months ago
@bmillerbiop No, it's the technology. Even as far back as the time of Archer and crew they had the precursor of the replicator, and Kirk's time had an improvement on that. DS9 showed that people haven't really evolved much at all, but that technology has allowed them the illusion of it. We've seen in our own world how this works. The real reason for the emancipation of women is technology. And formerly slaves did a lot of the shit work that machines began to take over 300+ years ago.
davenielsen78 4 months ago
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Fans can imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology and mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, all of a sudden, y'all motherfuckers come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live would say, "how convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!"
The hypocrisy is highly suspicious and absolutely staggering, to say the least ...
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
NO, the Federation does NOT need gold-pressed latinum to deal with other civilizations.
In the Deep Space Nine episode, "It's Only a Paper Moon," Nog moves into the holodeck and Quark asks who's going to pay for the time? Capt. Sisko simply glared at Quark, to wit, Quark said, "I guess *I* am."
Corporate greed is NOT tolerated by Starfleet or the Federation. Nog NEEDED that holodeck time to heal from having lost his leg. THAT came FIRST.
People BEFORE profits!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
@TheGreenVoter Someone had to pay for that holodeck time - it was Quark. When Julian and Miles went to fight the Battle of Britain or the The Alamo, they paid for that time. Since the currency in common with all the different civilizations of at least the Alpha Quadrant is Latinum - which can't be replicated - they must have paid with Latinum. Since it can't be replicated they must get paid. Please think about these things before posting - you'll look at least a bit less of a fool.
davenielsen78 4 months ago
"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry, The Last Conversation
"I’ve never been motivated by money. I wouldn’t write a script differently if someone said they would give me $20,000 more for good will or whatever."
--Gene Roddenberry, The Humanist (1991)
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--Tom Paris, from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--from the movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"It will take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger. For the price of the Wall Street Bailout, we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute for Food and Development Policy
... and there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth ...
"How about war, disease, hunger. Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--Charles "Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
... so SOMEbody in the future told Wall Street to go fuck itself!
SOCIOLOGY -- NOT technology ..!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone within the next fifty years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
... the root word for communism is commune and the Human race became one big commune after First Contact, which was 2063. By the 2150s, you had the characters from Star Trek: Enterprise eating in a GALLEY run by a CHEF.
Sociology trumps technology!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my first book today.
Quark: Really? How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the Deep Space Nine episode, "You Are Cordially Invited"
... a figure of speech, I love it ...
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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Jake Sisko: I'm Human, I don't have any money.
Nog: It's not my fault that your species decided to abandon currency-based economics in favor of some philosophy of self-enhancement.
Jake Sisko: Hey, watch it. There's nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity.
Nog: What does that mean, exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the episode, In the Cards (DS9)
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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THIS is communism ...
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia. In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free."
--U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
... what YOU have in mind is some Stalinistic stereotype straight out of Patrick Swayze's Red Dawn -- as is the case with all too many ...
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"Roddenberry got rich off Star Trek."
SO ..?
"I’ve never been motivated by money. I wouldn’t write a script differently if someone said they would give me $20,000 more for good will or whatever."
--Gene Roddenberry, from his 1991 interview with The Humanist
... sick of this shit. It's NOT the responsibility of celebrities to share the wealth. This is SUPPOSED to be a government of the people, by the people, and most importantly, FOR the people! God!
TheGreenVoter 4 months ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry, from Yvonne Fern's book, The Last Conversation
FROM THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW.
TheGreenVoter 5 months ago
"Roddenberry got rich off Star Trek."
SO ..?
"I’ve never been motivated by money. I wouldn’t write a script differently if someone said they would give me $20,000 more for good will or whatever."
--Gene Roddenberry, from his 1991 interview with The Humanist
... sick of this shit. It's NOT the responsibility of celebrities to share the wealth. This is SUPPOSED to be a government of the people, by the people, and most importantly, FOR the people! God!
TheGreenVoter 5 months ago
@TheGreenVoter You really don't know if you're coming or going, do you?
davenielsen78 4 months ago
@TheGreenVoter The point, moron, is that it's easy to say money doesn't matter if you've stagnant with the stuff. It would have about as much meaning as Clooney saying looks don't matter, or John Holmes that size doesn't matter. Give me a break. You're just unbelievably stupid. I can only figure you're pretending, that you must get a kick out of it somehow, because no one is *that* stupid in the real world.
davenielsen78 4 months ago