Pro-life picket of Planned Parenthood CEO Susan Idtensohn's residence - 10/29/2011

[jcr4runner]

@MrHaggis03 So where do you live Haggis?

[Creationcreed]

Ignorance of the Bible produce poverty, and lack of education on how to help included so we come up with the most horrific thing called "Abortion". While we, Bible-thumpers, feed 500 people a day(speaking for me) and help people get off their addictions, and affictions, and helping the widow, single mothers.... Those evil Christians.

[Creationcreed]

Science books and science itself tell u that you are human from start to finish...they just don't all say whether you are a person from start to finish. And that's a problem.

[Creationcreed]

A Fetus is never potentally something else like it may become a zebra, dog, cat. It only possesses the attribute of human genetics: it is human from the beginning- to the end. Science does not say the fetus is a potential human being, but a fetus will potentially leave the womb, and hopefully grow outside the mother's body, and hopefully become an adult. Not become a human being: it already is: has all the information, DNA, that make up only a human unless you interfere.

[Creationcreed]

Rape is a devastating thing, but so is killing the unborn. Having an abortion just as much sticks w/ u as much as the rape does(shame, guilt, etc). Abortion is NOT a greater experience to add to life niether. Loving the unborn inthewomb would be the best, no, the right thing to do. There r places 2 help you that no one wants you know about for some reason. Prolife organizations give them free food, assist w/ just about everything, support, and it run by women who went thru the same experiences.

[Creationcreed]

Christians stand for victims of rape, incest, and any other abuse toward innocent human beings(we will stand against any church/facility of all kind who abuses children). Pro-choice unaware/or awaringly defend only the mother. We defend both the mother and the unborn human being!

[Millitaryman22]

I think abortion is wrong depending on the circumstance for example (this actually happened) a mom had cancer and was pregnant with twins she was told that if the babies were to b born than they would have the cancer and the mother would die at child birth so the kids would grow up without a mom and suffering from cancer. In this case abortion would be right I think because being dead without feeling a thing is better than alive and suffering

[otherfunk]

My goodness, you people suck. If life begins at conception, I guess God really, really likes miscarried babies. Do you really think rape victims should be *forced* to carry their attacker's babies? Wow. It seems you do...

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk Another Pro-death person who doesn't know that Christians heard these lines of argument before.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... There are plenty of pro-choice Christians, idiot. The stupidity of religious fundamentalism truly knows no bounds...

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk Do women have the right to kill the fetus? I use kill because it is alive of course.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... Should the police treat the 30% of pregnancies resulting in miscarriage as unsolved homicides? Does rapists' sperm have more rights than rape victims? Most Christians who oppose abortion think not. The countries with the lowest abortion and child morality rates promote sex education and contraception. Not that you care. What you really want is women to be beholden to their wombs and totally under the control of their husbands and fathers. Just like the bronze age. How nice.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk A miscarriage is not an intentional killing of an unborn human being. Killing the unborn because you want to finish school, not ready, or mad at the rapist does not devalue a human being. We don't run to put a little boy in the electric chair along with his Crazy father(who actually commited the crime, not the son).

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... by "human being" you mean "male". You show no respect for women. Why would a woman want to finish college? Why would a woman not want to be pregnant? Why would a woman want to have sex if not to have children? Let's be clear. You would treat all miscarriages as potential murders. If your own daughter was raped and became pregnant and took emergency contraception, you would treat her as a murderer, worse than the rapist. Who needs the devil, when you are so evil...

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk Assumption soup again about my character...Common sense says,"Don't kill your children to finish a degree." Miscarraiging on purpose is murder, but natural death: not by the hand of us or her is not(clear?). So I wouldnt treat them all the same. All rapist, murderers, liars, thieves should be punished..I'm not evil in saying that. We dont put the victim in jail(unborn, woman), we put criminals in jail(rapist/ murderer). If the mother murders her child? Yes.(sheknows better)

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... A fetus is not a child, not in law or in science. Your "beliefs" are your own - you wouldn't want Muslims or Communists to impose their beliefs on you. Stop trying to impose your beliefs on everyone else. No wonder even most pro-life Christians think your extreme hatred of women having control over their bodies is repellant.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk Did I express hatred toward women? No. And your imposing your belief that I shouldn't be imposing my beliefs on others, (hypocrite). Most of the volunteers and employees of Prolife organizations are women, and women who have had an abortion. Right, a fetus is not a child: it is actually a stage of a human being. We believe that your value is not dictated by your level of development, nor level of dependency, your size, nor where you are: location.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... You show no empathy for women. I am not "imposing" my beliefs on you - you are the one trying to ban all abortion, idiot. So you campaign next to women who you consider to be murderers? Really? Or are they not really murderers? It doesn't sound like you've thought this thru at all. You are just spouting slogans with no concept of what they actually mean. What a surprise. Your extreme position would turn women into baby-making slaves with no control over their lives.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk It's not logical to support abortion in EVERY case. Emergencies, if the mother is going to die, or unborn will die is one, it's not elective abortion(its a medical emergency of which I don't rally against). The women working in those Pro-life facilities are people who have turn from their sins. We Christian/Catholic demonstrate mercy, grace, and forgiveness. Repentance is never sinning again. Standing next to them is no problem. We don't treat them like lepars.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... Yet you treat anyone who has an abortion or works in a facility providing abortions as murderers. You just want to enforce your religion on everyone else.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk You don't have to be religious to know that abortion is morally wrong. I know some homosexuals, athiest and agnostic that would agree with me. I don't paint abortion worker with a broad brush(and they r very nice, but their view is very wrong). Many of the abortion receptionist don't really understand exactly what is going on. The doctor definitely knows! Women who go in there to get an abortion don't know what they are doing, so we have 2 educate them thru various means.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... You "educate" them by calling them murderers, telling them god meant them to get pregnant even if they were raped, lying about the effectiveness of birth control, lying about the effectiveness of "abstinence only" education... Lies upon lies upon lies. Of course, as a creationist you are used to lying about evidence. There's the cast-iron proof that you are full of crap. Keep your odious, immoral, lying religion to yourself.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk ...lying about what exactly? Science says it's a human being at conception, that's common knowledge: and common sense, and I work at the library, all science books agree. Punishing the daughter or son for the sins of the father or mother is not the way justice is delt. So if we found out that your father raped your mother, we should punish and kill you? Who's morals are messed up again?

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... "all science books agree" - liar. A newly fertilised fetus is not viable outside the womb. Liar. I am not a fetus, you idiot liar, so your comparison of a living person with a bundle of cells in a womb is false - and a lie. Lying for god. Forcing women rape victims to carry their attacker's child against their will. There is no doubt who's morals are messed-up here, liar. It's you.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk "with a bundle of cells in a womb is false" This is the crutch of the issue. "Bundle" implies unorganized DNA, you know that's an unscientific statement. You don't need to justify abortion with that story you just told me if a fetus is nothing: like pulling a tooth. In fact u wouldn't have to use any of the excuses for aborting something that isn't a living person, right? I understand that logic, but the problem is this "what's the difference between a human and a person?"

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... No-one says it's an easy question. No-one says abortion is or should be trivial. But the root issue here is whether we value living people more than foetus's which commonly miscarry anyway. Your position is inhuman because you would force rape victims to carry their attacker's children. Your position is repellant because it treats women like second class citizens.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... You lied when you said "all science books agree". Pro-lifers routinely lie about contraception and pregnancy & miscarriage rates. Your religious belief that pregnancy only happens when it's "supposed to" is beyond stupid. Does rape only happen when it's supposed to too?

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk Rape is never good so we agree on that...Intercourse brings about pregnancy, that is why being pregnancy is the natural result, so being pregnant after intercourse is the natural order of events, that's all I was saying. We r to value the mother & unborn. So I'm Evil 4 saying that? I am more evil 4 saying dont punish the innocent party 2? I never accused u of being evil in this entire conversation. Cause I know that some prochoice people have good intentions, I don't assume anything.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... The "natural order of events" is one in four childbirths to have serious complications for the mother or child. That's what happened before modern medicine. I'm not "assuming" you're an idiot - I'm concluding that from reading your posts here. You'd ban almost all abortions and criminalise millions of women, all because they don't agree with you're absurd assumptions about what god wants.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk I didn't come to my conclusions on a whim, or haphastily. I had to think really hard about this, n go through all the questions prochoice peple raise and prolife questions, I value both. Once u come to the conclusion about the issue, then voice it, the one whos still exploring will see u as an idiot, or intelligent, or some fanatic loon. Once Abortionis Illegal, everyone will know it. Which means everyone will be accountable for their actions.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... "Once Abortionis Illegal"... You would force your own daughter to carry a rapist's baby to term, even if she pleaded with you not to. Really. What an odious person you are.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk I hope you are atleast saying this, and incest, are the only reasons you support abortion, and not for any other reasons that others have laid on the table(money, graduation, college, don't want it). Then I would respect your side more. I would actually be willing to sign a bill that atleast said you are allowed to get an abortion only in these cases only: rape, child clear will not survive, and incest.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... So you can compromise? After all this time. How nice of you. But no - women need control over their fertility, and people will have abortions (back street if needed) no matter what you say. Abortion can be safe & legal and rarely used - just look at the countries in Europe with the best sex education and the lowest abortion rates.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk Actually before abortion was legalize, women went to doctors and got them done, not back alleys(that's a cliche'). And when it was legalized they used the same doctors, same method, and same equipment. It will always be wrong whether it is safely done or not.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... Before it was illegal women had no recourse if things went wrong, no protection that the doctors knew what they were doing, and risked jail. Just the way you want it to be. "It will always be wrong whether it is safely done or not" - says you trying to impose your mangled worldview on everyone else - you want it to be unsafe. You would rather women suffered.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk PlannedParent hood, at their meetings(I've been to them), say it's the rich white people who are out of touch, Want women to suffer...Men have no say? WANT women to suffer? They shuld read up on the suffering after abortion. Men have just as much right to stand against abortion as anyone else. Men judge voted for abortion to be legal. This gave men a scapegoat from ther responsibilities,Yay! Obligations stripped: manglin n ripping apart the unborn! Sounds chavinistic to me.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... You would ban birth control. It's all very well trumpeting about how great life is for the poor. You would keep people poor - and women under the control of men.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk Keep people poor? Dumb question....Women under control of men? elaborate please.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... there's no dumb questions, just dumb people. Google "birth control poverty". WIth no control over their reproduction, women can't work as much, are more at risk from problem pregnancies, have more mouths to feed and less money to feed them. All over the world high birth rates are linked to poverty and lack of economic growth. That's fine if you want women to be chattels of men, barefoot, pregnant and powerless. Just like in the Bible, huh?

[Creationcreed]

Americans r a society that tries 2 escape taking care of the poor, by making sure they don't reproduce, killing their littleones, and tryin 2 encourage them 2 w/ tactical sloggans. Its a scapegoat for the people who don't want to take care of them. Bible says different: Jer. 22:16; Deut. 15:10; Ps. 41:1–2;Psalm 140:12;Prov. 14:31;Prov. 11:4,17:5,19:17,22:2,9,16,22-2­3,28:8,29:7,31:8-9;Proverbs 21:13;Prov. 28:27; Matthew 25:35–40; Acts 9:36; 1 John 3:17–18,how dare that bible...

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... You missed out the bible verses that preach intolerance and the subjugation of women. You ignore the links between high childbirth and poverty. You would still leave women with no control over their reproductive lives. You are still utterly heartless about rape victims. This conversation is going nowhere, because all you are interested in is your "tactical slogans".

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... You retreat to your idealised, selective reading of the Bible and fantasy view of how things should be. The "personhood" laws pushed by pro lifers in the USA would have police investigating almost every miscarriage. They would restrict birth control and led to lives of subjugation for millions of women. I wish I could say it's been a pleasure talking to you, but it really hasn't. (And for the record I have friends across the political spectrum. They're just smatter than you).

[Creationcreed]

Anyone who claims "Be tolerant of other's beliefs" should never enter a conversation. Anyone accusing another of "selective reading of the Bible" should never just point out the "bad" verses in the Bible, instead u should point out both good and "bad". Been a pleasure. Having friends from all ends doesn't make u the open-minded-tolerant person.AS long as you have a view opposite of theirs, you exclude their view.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... zomg... You are complaining because you're not allowed to impose your religious and reproductive beliefs on everyone else. Of course there is "good" in the BIble - but it's idiots like you who pretend it's a guide for everything who forget the "bad" stuff in it. Having a view opposite to someone else does not make you intolerant. It is YOUR belief that women should be stuck with YOUR view on abortion that makes YOU intolerant. Stop whining and start thinking.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk It is YOUR belief that women should be able to kill the innocent with YOUR view on abortion that makes YOU intolerant. Stop forcing your views on ME! Stop shoving your Prodeath view down my Throat! I'm glad that you put quotations around "bad" because the bible doesn't really teach anything bad: it recorded bad things, but it doesn't teach bad things. Glad we agree. bye.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... You really are a blithering idiot. I am not seeking to outlaw behaviour I disagree with. You are. You want to remove choice. I don't. The Bible doesn't teach bad things? What about the killing of apostates (dt 13:6-9; John 15:5-6)? God's orders to murder and rape (dt 20:10-14)? The Biblical laws on rape (dt 22:28-29, dt 22:23-24 & more). Fine - believe in your insane theocracy... But you want to force everyone else to live by your rules, by force of law. That is intolerance.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk You don't have to tell me I'm intolerant, Of course I am. I never preached tolerance in the since that I have to accept other people's views. I can tolerate it, but I don't have to stand, accept, or support it. I can rebuke it, argue against it, n disagree. That is the Christian perspective(so we aren't hypocrites when we judge). Those passages have to be address in the inbox, if you have one, I can't find it in this new Youtube layout for some reason...

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk If my daughter got raped, and got pregnant, the right thing to do is give it up for adoption. Anyone of us could be a product of rape, but we are all glad we had a chance at life, and weren't punished.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed .... What if your daughter pleaded with you to stop the pregnancy. What would you do then? If she went ahead with a termination, you'd probably do what countless pro-life people do - and make an exception for your daughter's special case...

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk I wouldn't take exception with my daughter, because I believe how you come into the world does not dictate whether you should live or die. It does boil down to the ultimate law(the conscience agrees, unless it becomes seared) that says "Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed" Ps. 82:3.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... Yeah, except poor and oppressed women, for who you couldn't give a flying fuck.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk I lived in the most poor area of my city where I've seen all kind of people. Most of the poor single mothers I've spoke to would disagree with you, and they struggle. Poor doesn't neccesitate Unhappiness, Wealth doesnt equal Happiness, etc. This isn't going by the narrative u wanted to paint, but the poor can actually be much more happier than many rich folk, and disagree with aborting. A bus full of women(all from the "ghetto") standing against an Abortion facility.

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... Argument by anecdote, huh? That's how they do it in your church. It means nothing in real life. You just make stuff up. Lying for God. How wonderful.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk If you engage in an act that results in pregnancy, well, it's suppose to happen. Don't engage in the act, and it won't happen. It's like one who want to enjoy a triple bacon burger, and then complains that they gained weight "I wanted to enjoy this burger, but I didn't sign up for weight gain!" Many women agree with me on this, so don't act like all women agree with you're "no control over their lives" statement.(now I haven't addressed rape yet so...)

[otherfunk]

@Creationcreed ... Yes, you haven't addressed rape yet you horrible scumbag. Stop trying to force your repellent religion on everyone else. By opposing the use of contraception, people like you have sentenced millions of people to HIV/AIDS. Do you stand outside of churches demanding justice for child abuse victims? Do you hell.

[Creationcreed]

@otherfunk Rape...Would I stand outside the Churches demanding justice for child abuse victims? I don't know any Christian who wouldn't stand for abuse victims, with Full bible-thumping support.

[NJCHRISTIANMALE777]

Amen i thank God for these brothers and sisters .Sorry the angry english chap cant see i.t It is the same thing as the days of hitler butchering the innocent .

[otherfunk]

@NJCHRISTIANMALE777 ... Do you guys get your brains removed when you are "born again"? Giving women a choice in when and how to have children is - to you - the same as killing millions of people in gas chambers? Go for it, tho - fight for the rights of rapists to father children - you are doing a great job of showing people how insane you are...

[NJCHRISTIANMALE777]

@otherfunk Let me understand this . The child should be murdered for what the father did . You are a perfect example . You sit there because your parents did not murder you in the womb. Then you say it is ok to murder a baby in the womb . Cant you see the double standard .

[otherfunk]

@NJCHRISTIANMALE777 ... A developing fetes is not a child. 30% of pregnancies end in miscarriage anyway. And you would really, genuinely force a woman to carry a rapists baby? Seriously? Your own daughter? It's not a double standard - it's that your arguments are inhuman and insane.

[ShawnJW09]

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[dewerbylhserf]

53 mil

[dewerbylhserf]

Thank you JESUS, AMEN AMEN AMEN. ISAIAH 5:20 ? Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!