if you use my tax money to fund wars I don’t agree with, pay corrupt politicians, and pay for what I believe to be murder, why the fuck should I have to pay taxes? Pay all you want. I have no problem paying for the road outside (which is never fixed... to busy dumping shit load of money into stopping bullying or some other graft campaign)
Well nowhere as far as I know, but I would say that its fair to separate state and church because there's a lot of religions out there, and not everyone in politics is christian, and if church had it's way in politics we would be killing people for not believing in the same god.
This is the result of the failure of our school system giving way to misinformation spread by the ignorant ladies and gentlemen.
GodAthie, separation of church and state is part of the FIRST amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop spreading misinformation when you know in your heart you don't know entirely what you speak of. This is counter-productive.
Even Obama's "moderate" position doesn't fly. Society needs to fix this mess, not gov't. There's no governmental obligation to 'reduce the number of abortions.' Plus, the incidence of abortion long-term has no real effect on our society! The only 'effect' is a little depopulation or less population growth plus a possible hidden effect of "encouraging" a "culture of death." Long-term letting a relative few abortions happen yearly isn't gonna kill us.
No taxpayer funds of abortion or against abortion. This is a societal issue. Gov't stay out. That's why they're called SOCIAL issues. I'm sickened, as a libertarian, at how much social issues are dividing this country and have become politicized. Gay marriage, gay rights, gay adoption, abortion, etc. These things should be legal and a given!! They're privacy and individual freedom. You shouldn't have to go to the state for custody battles or to get a marriage contract, for god sake.
This issue is too controversial to fund one side or the other. This is not a democracy but a republic. Read your Constitution. Just b/c the majority wants something doesn't always mean they should get it. Sometimes individual freedom and being stewards of taxpayer dollars is more important. The issue of abortion is pretty much 50-50 with public opinion. It would be a travesty for gov't to fund one side of it but screw the others who don't want it.
Amen! As a liberal, I applaud you. Someone please take the Jesusfreaks and leave us the REAL fiscal conservatives and libertarians. I can live with them.
I am for having restrictions, such as only a limited amount.
I hear Israel has that provision for enlisted soldiers HC coverage.
I am for strict restrictions after a certain amount of children. Basically, you keep putting yourself in trouble, we only have so much obligation to bail you out, if you want more help, you accept certain conditions.
I agree that abortion should not be used in the same sentence as birth control. It should be used in the sentence with none of your business. Or in the sentence with don't tell others what medical procedures they can perform on their own bodies. As far as "people need to be responsible with their sexual activities". How about you worry about your sexual activities and not other peoples'. Not everyone can be as perfect as you. BTW the Stupak amendment does restrict a woman's right to choose.
of the person or people who have to take care of a baby they are trying to take responsibility for but cant yet handle.
We need education about safe sex, the birht control pill, day after pill, condoms, all the options, and make sure they know the consequences of unprotected sex, to pull out, etc...
But to punish us all so you can hopefully teach them about responsibility is so small minded.
Actually I have, always. I've never gotten a woman pregnant. I've never had "a scare". I've always been responsible.
I'm sorry you find the notion of personal responsibility so hard that you want other people to pay for your mistakes, but in this case I happen to agree with the psycho christians for the most part.
I'm not saying to take away anybody's right to choose, but I am saying I shouldn't have to pay for your stupidity and lack of responsibility.
well i dont think religion has anything to do with it. i dont think a kid is never a mistake thats just ridiculous. thats just like obama saying he wouldnt want to punnish his daughter with a kid. remember that we all have right to life
Theres no obligation to have a child, and having a child is sometimes a mistake.
Sometimes people arent ready to have children. Wrong time in their life, wrong personaility.
They dont plan it, but mistakes happen. Condom broke, birth control failed, or they didnt mean to have sex at all, but the passion overcame them and they didnt prepare.
Having a child at 14 in the US can be life ruining, and thats not something to wish on somebody.
People dont always think when their hormones take over.
The fact that you havent felt it at such a strong level doesnt mean others dont, or that they deserve such ridicule for their biological development.
We need education to help them cope with todays society, to reduce chances of pregnancy, to deal with any pregnancy, but to leave them without help when problems occur affects us all.
I for one will do what it takes to not just help them, but reduce its effect on me by helping them.
Those are all excuses of poor personal behavior. Please give me a valid reason why anybody in your examples can't use their reason and intellect to THINK about the consequences of their actions.
And if per chance they don't, they still have options available to them, it's just not going to be publicly funded.
I will gladly help pay for regular health care. But I would never pay for things that are unnecessary like boob jobs, liposuction, abortions etc. If you want those, pay for them yourself
TYTs are completely off base on this issue. Democrats have a super majority in congress. Democrats have the White House. But the best health care the democrats can pass is a bad one. A $900billion pay-off to the insurance industry that takes away a woman's right to choose as an added insult. Way to go democrats! Vote yourselves a pay raise. Get a "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner. As a liberal, I think this bill, as is, is worse than the status quo.
hey cenk, i suddenly realised you have no idea what the "carrot and stick" meme is, the carrot is tied to a stick in front of the donkey to encourage it to walk. you cannot treat the stick and carrot as separate parts of the deal.
super self righteous hypocrites want to force their beliefs on others all the time. they always scream freedom of religion if they get hounded for their arogance but don't mind using it to chain others. they want to be the rulers and damned be anyone not accepting their doctrine.
Even if you're not in favor of having an abortion, you should still be pro-choice. Pro-lifers try to force a personal, religiously-motivated choice on the general public.
dont think ive seen as much extremist right wing comments on TYT in a while. the sad thing is, these people are always some of the first people to comment on these videos. They love the negative attention on the internet because they know noone takes their opinions seriously
"Just write the name of the candidate you support on the back of a dollar, and you get one vote. If you write your candidate on the back of a $20 bill, you get 20 votes"
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anyone who supports abortion is nothing short of a murderer, and should be arrested as such. i cant wait until this health care bill fails, obamas socialist reich is overthrown, and republicans take this country back for god and freedom, then we can finally outlaw abortion once and for all, keep muslims out of our country to prevent another ft hood (like the holocaust, ft hood was caused by liberals as well) so if you love america VOTE REPUBLICAN
Against my better judgment I have to ask. To which of the many "Gods" were you referring to?
I may also submit that many Americans no longer love America, but really desire to do so, and that is why they did not vote republican.
And can we PLEASE stop comparing Obama to Nazi Germany, my grandmother (who lived in Berlin) was very lucky to survive, and you are just insulting her memory and struggle and, by proxy, ME (unless you were actually there, fighting for your very survival).
Anyone who wants to take away a woman's right to abortion is nothing short of a misogynist. Abortion cannot be compared to murder, the illegal killing of a person usually w/ malice, it is just complete bullshit. The rest of what you say is also complete bullshit. Keep your immaginary friends out of government. You're preventing freedom when you go against the rights of women to have an abortion.
radical? just wondering what cyrstal ball you are looking through that tells you the Dems will only have like 17% of the population on there side in 2010?
i find it funny that you think any of these people are radical? and that you think the "extreme left" even supports the Dem's or Obama... where did you learn about politics? fox news or the back of a cracker jack box?
i bet you think that your comments and opinions are taken seriously don't you?
I have no crystal ball but he's seen the steepest drop in the polls of any president at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years. People see him for what he is now. There is no way that his ratings will go up.
What makes me think "any of these people are radical?" Bill Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Anita Dunn, Van Jones, John Holdren, I mean wakeup! The list is extensive and these folks are radical.
I couldn't really care less what you think because you're ignorant.
It really doesn't matter what the Democrats do in Washington. About the only people that will be supporting them in 2010 will be the black population (8%) and the extreme left (9%) because the people are waking up and seeing the tragic consequences of electing such a radical group on politicians. Record spending. Record deficits. Record unemployment. Record foreclosures. Terrorism returns to our country, etc, etc. and what is the Democrats answer? Spend more money. Absolutely brilliant!
It's time to stop pointing fingers and become a united states again. We could point out Bush's fuckups all day until the cows come home, and it's a valid response to people pinning everything on Obama, but it's time to look forward.
I for one am sick of having to remind people of the incredible retard we had as a president these past 8 years.
We need two types of presidents on either side: JFK and Reagan.
What consequences? How has your life changed at all since Obama has been in office?
It never ceases to amaze me how obvious the group mentality is on the right. So much so that you think it's a talking point that will convince others to think as stupidly as you.
WHO CARES HOW EVERYONE VOTES? Vote how YOU want to vote. Just saying things like this doesn't bring up any issues at all, and only makes you sound like a desperate loser going down with the ship.
Right. I haven't felt the consequences of Obama quadrupling the deficit so there's no impact right? Just trust Obama because MSNBC says he's a good and trustworthy man right? Talk about a group mentality - instead of calling you sheep we should call you Lemmings because I swear if Obama asked you to jump off a cliff with him you would. It's you and your ilk that look like a bunch of mindless losers that can't think outside of their stupid little Liberal box.
WHAT?! What the hell does the tragedy at Fort hood have to do with Obama/Democrats? Thank you for agreeing that 9/11 was Bush's/(R)'s fault. What does the Obama have to do with unemployment and foreclosures that have been on a major rise since the 2nd quarter of 2006? Is Obama a magician that can stand behind a podium and *poof* banks stop foreclosing on delinquent home loans and businesses will stop firing people because they aren't generating enough revenue ? Wow you people are uber ignorant!
The Stupak amendment needs to be eliminated from any possible healthcare bill, plain and simple. It's a nice, if not so subtle plan to divide those who are in favor of reform, but if it actually goes through it's just another conservative victory against those evil baby killers and their crazy liberal views - views like freedom, choice etc. etc. You know, all the things the republicans say they're trying to protect by killing healthcare reform.
TYTs have completely dropped the ball on this issue. The democrats have a super majority in congress and they have the White House. And the best the democrats can do for health care reform is a $900 billion payoff to the insurance industry and to deny women health coverage and their rights. Way to go, democrats. Take a victory lap and give yourselves raises. Get a "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner. This is an epic failure on the part of democrats. America would be better off with the status quo.
I have no stance on the abortion issue and I believe that lumping it as 100% women's rights is disingenuous. However the reality of the situation is that democrats are not defacto prochoice, I would probably vote prochoice because it's not my fucking business. But the point is, no one ever lied to you about this.
Did I claim that anyone changed stances on this issue? But It is a fact that abortion is legal. However republicans have done all they can for decades to restrict women's access to abortion. This amendment does more than all of the republicans' efforts over the last couple decades combined. And it is a democratic amendment. My point is the democratic party is now willing to give up a core principle just so they can pass a bad health care bill. Even with a super majority the democrats look inept.
You missed my entire point Pro-choice has never been a proclaimed democratic standpoint. I tend to agree with it but you shouldn't be surprised here. And continually, abortion isn't legal, it's not illegal. The government simply can't do anything about it. (re: Roe v Wade)
You're waaaay off. I'm Pro-Choice but abortion is an elective surgery unless it involves the concluded death of the mother and should not be paid for by the funds of tax payers. The (R) has done nothing about abortion but use it as a campaign talking point which is exactly that, TALK..to gain votes and get in office and do ZERO about it.
Im sorry but liberals will always be steam rolled if they conitue to be silent or wait until its to late (Like Iraq). U libs should be protesting in droves making your voices heard for everyone to hear. Protest to get that bill across before its too late and then nothing can be done about it. We need a this bill to save American lives remember Bill O the clown supports some sort of public option. Im a registered republican and I support this bill. Make your voices heard.
Nuts to "liberals" - which btw. describes the entire American political spectrum, from the extremes of the Republican and Democratic parties. It's only because political discourse is so bastardized in the U.S. that "liberal" has been transformed into a synonym for "the left" - the two are not the same!
It's been forgotten that "liberalism" is as bougie a phenomenon as any, that INCLUDES BOTH Republicans and Democrats.
god, fuck politics don't they know their playing with real lives? mark my words if anybody from my district voted against this hc bill, will not be voting for them in this next election, and I know I'm not alone
This issue (health care reform) is hard to follow from moment to moment and specific to specific. But I see no reason why the government should pay for elective abortions or abortions with no claim to medical.necessity or utility. In particular, when so many people have mortal objections to that.
The other side of the argument is, this effects low income women the greatest, and they tend to be higher in the abortion statistics.
Think about it, if a woman can't afford to get an abortion, is she going to be able to afford to give that baby a fair chance at life? If she wants to abort, but can't, will she even be a good parent to begin with?
While I think abortion of a pregnancy is heartbreaking, I see exactly where pro-choice is coming from on this in regards to who it effects most.
Lory - The so-called pro-lifers only care about the gestation and birth of the human fetus; they care little to nothing for the life or quality of life of the child once born or any nonhuman life form for that matter. The "pro-lifers" are the ones most adamant against health reform which would improve the Life of millions.
It puts her in no different position than she's in now. Not discussing rape and incest, there are two other options to abortion: (1) giving up the child and (2) not doing what will make you pregnant. And is the average abortion procedure so expensive that a woman could not come up with the money if she really wanted to?
Oh, re auto insurance. It's a must have in most states--it is here. I say there no discrimination should be allowed on the basis of sex. Merely being an involuntary part of a group says little about how an individual will behave. But it is pretty much a given that a woman as an individual may need care due to pregnancy. If a woman may not need such care, then she should not be charged more just because she has two X chromosomes.
The position she's in now? This is about reform isn't it?
Coverage for choice makes so much sense. If a woman relies on the government for healthcare, she'll more than likely rely on them for welfare when the child is born. Welfare destroys lives.
Do u think the right to choice is limited to the rich? What about the right to make love? No birth control is 100%. For all the tube-tied, vasectomied, condom & nuvaring wearing lovers, there's an accidental pregnancy every once in a while.
its called owning up to your accident a baby isn't a burden its part of life
our rights come from a higher that's the beilef that makes america different from the rest of the world a beilef that seems to have gotten us pretty far
now steam cells is a good debate cause i don't beileve that is life cause it was all done in a test tube
but a baby is baby no matter if u dont' want it and in most states moms can just give the baby to the state
If it were up to me, there would be no abortion. Not by force, but through education and information. If women knew exactly what options they had, I think abortion rates would go down. Guess what? That's not reality.
For you to say these things is VERY easy. To live them is another thing (and if you do, God bless you for being a shining example.)
A baby can very much be a burden. An accident can very much have no fault (which is the very definition of an accident.)
Our rights don't come from God. God didn't write our constitution or our declaration of independence. Religion definitely played a big role in the lives of our forefathers, but so did slavery. It's OK to say we have grown, and are different from them in some ways. The ideology will always remain the same: All men & women are created equal and have a right to freedom. That might have been inspired by God, but where we live, our rights aren't handed down by the divine. They were fought for.
Jesus christ boy you don't know shit. Most of the founding father's rejected Christianity and were deists at the most.
Also, back in those days, abortion wasn't an issue because if you got a bitch pregnant you just pushed her ass down the stairs and were done with it. That's abortion 1776 style.
no wheres in the consitution does it say anything about separtation of church and state it says no national relgon can be established meaning teh govenment cant openly promote just one relgion or discriminate against one.. but it doesn't say the govenment can't have open prayers at school, christmas plays, and every other relgious thing being attacked
its called a responsibilty if you are irisponcible you live with it babies are not a burden..
@LoryLandskipper: I actually had think about this. First, I know you don't mean it that way; however, you came uncomfortably close to poor women should choose abortions on that basis. Yes, but what is being decided is what reform there should be. I see you say that you said if you had your way there'd be no abortion. So, why do want government to encourage them by paying? There is, in fact, one birth control method that's 100. Also, out of respect for those who so oppose it, my opinion ...
is that public policy should be to not force people to pay taxes to provide them where there's no medical necessity. I think the average cost of a first trimester abortion is under $500. Also, if private groups want to help; of course, that's fine. There also seems to be no shortage of people who want to adopt babies. That's my position. We disagree, but it's been nice having a civil exchage with you. Sorry, for the typos. I get so caught up counting, my typing sometimes suffers.
Yes, it take much less money to have a baby murdered than delivered and then to support it. Yours is a very astute comment. Fine, I change my mind; you should be taxed for the murder.
new...If the mother would place the baby into the loving& warm arms of a childless couple, there would be no expense to her at all.She could live out the rest of her life knowing she did not kill her baby! There are 36 couples for every 1 adoptive baby.This is why we must go abroad to get adoptions!
and if she is raped..then what? still adopt it? well if she knows she's not gonna keep the seed of a piece of shit..,why struggle having it and going through the pain of giving birth and spending money on top of that while pregnant for meds or whatever they have to take to keep the baby healthy..sure it's not the babys fault that his biological father was scum..but then again, a fetus cant think or know what's going on while growing...it just looks wrong on paper to you...
Because my son is a product of rape & he is a marvel to behold, funny, smart, compassionate, generous & everything most ppl adore! He is loved by everyone he meets!! I could never top one bad incident with another,killing my own baby! I could recover from being raped, but never from killing my baby. Two wrongs never, ever make a right! Never have & never will!
no it is completely relevant to the topic..people are just super sensitive..in fact they shouldn't care about what someone else does...how does it depend on the development? the average female gets her abortion two weeks after she finds out..so say 1-2 months tops...still hardly developed there.....it's their choice..let them be...they don't need sensitive hippies telling them what to do..or religious people for that matter
good, I wouldn't want you to help me..cuz then I'd have to owe you back..and I really don't like helping people I don't know...they decide to take a human life since it's their body..they have every right to that, as how you or me have a right to smoke, drink, or swear..eat..sleep...catch my drift? if it's drunk sex and she didn't think of the warnings that come with that..then yea, she should keep it for being stupid, and adopt it later..but if it's the seed of a rapist..then no ty
@wormer105 You do realize that 90% of conceptions are naturally aborted. So... we should remove the ovaries from all women to prevent them from murdering dozens of innocent human lives while trying to get pregnant? Sorry... the moment a couple tries to get pregnant, they are choosing to 'murder' dozens of 'lives'. Is it the 'childs' fault that the parents decided to try for a child knowing that most of the zigots would fail?
Joel Steinberg, with the complicity of his wife Hedda Nussbaum, murdered his adopted daughter Lisa Steinberg, in a notorious case. More recently, Eddy Tony Whisenhunt of Lacey, Washington, was convicted of repeatedly raping his 7 year old adopted daughter since she was
I do not in any way mean to lessen the seriousness of child abuse,, but that is ONE case. You made the comment, "Sometimes adoptive parents rape or murder their adoptive children." This act is horrendous, but not the case with the vast majority of adoptions. Please don't generalize!
I'm not saying they SHOULD choose based on their situation, I say they DO. That's reality. I don't think the government is encouraging abortions by providing a woman with a healthy way abort her pregnancy.
You can't stop illegal immigrants by putting up a wall and you can't stop abortion by taking away choice.
What happens now is some women turn to a far cheaper option: The black market. Think it doesn't exist? It does. Lack of coverage encourages this black market.
To comment on your statement about democrats voting for the Pro-Life bill and against the H.C. bill in its entirety. Its simple some democrats were elected in generally red districts because people were against Bush. Those democrats know that if they should vote for the H.C. bill they could easily be outed in their next election.
I see no use for Democrats by name only. Some of the Democrats that are voting against it are also voting against their constituents according to polls. Follow the money.
I think it's funny that Cenk and all these liberals were saying this legislation will not lead to government intervening in decisions between you and your doctor. You see when you let the government get involved in something it's not just Democrats/liberals that get to dictate terms. Republicans/conservatives also get too control your healthcare choices after you have given them power to do so. Maybe this will give your liberals some 2nd thoughts about government intervention in healthcare.
You're forgetting one other entity. The Insurance Companies. In my mind, they are more evil then the gov't. Do you like it when your ins. co. won't pay for your care even though you need it? That's the real enemy
"Government" as a game for elites of which we get some token participation (but only after being heavily propagandized by power through advertising, campaigning, and "education") is what needs to end.
With it's abolition, the protection racket it runs for the fictions of "money" and "capital" will evaporate.
i'm really glad to see there being at least a partial devil's advocate in this.
while i often agree with cenk, i'd much rather see debate and weighing of both sides on issues. not all issues require it, of course, but sometimes an objection on the show's a good way to further expand on an issue. as well, if the debate is credible, the topic becomes more credible as well.
debate is one of the finest actions any political commentary can make. i hope to see more soon.
I sent an e-mail to Ried the other day asking him how to donate to his campaign because he was being strong about the public option. He hasn't answered.
TYTs keep saying how savvy the DNC is for getting this bill passed in the house. The DNC has a super-majority in congress. They have the White House. And what kind of long-overdue, sweeping change reform bill did they come up with? A huge payout for insurance companies that takes away a woman's legal right to abortion. Democrats, take a bow. Give yourselves raises. The only thing missing from this disaster of a bill is a big "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner.
So where is the money to pay for all these unwanted children then? Hm? Who is paying for them? No one. Because pro-lifers only care about the unborn and not the born.
Yes. We dont see masterbation as genocide either. Its the difference between rational people and religious people, and NEVER the twain shall meet.
Look, i am a progressive, you are a regressive, and we just have to agree to hate each other and start trying to build a wall around you. You could live happily in your enclave, maybe bring back slavery and burn some witches. And we could start fixing all the problems you left us. Its a win win situation :)
lol, I love your comment, it's informative and hilarious at the same time =D
True, from the logic of some of the woefully uneducated (or just outright STUPID) among us, they'd consider a log to be alive, since it's composed of hydrocarbons, the same organic constituent compounds that constitute the human brain.
Or even an improperly developed fetus whose brain is improperly forming.
Stem cells, organic compounds, etc.
Until a self-aware COMPOSED brain fires for the first fucking time...
Sadly, these regressive, uneducated imbeciles murdering abortion (and HIGHLY educated, FAR more valuable to society than they themselves are) doctors, are regressing our advancing society in an attempt to belittle progress introvert to the dark ages.
The organic compounds that constitute our brain have existed within this Universe >13.7 Billion years before now, and have never been "alive".
Until they coalesce as a functioning self-aware human brain, POTENTIAL for life ≠ alive.
Perhaps "life" is the wrong word to use here. A better argument can be made that everything is "alive", including so called "inanimate" (not true; nothing is "inanimate" in fact, only to our crude perceptive tools) objects.
I'm against the state - so I don't believe in coercing people into anything. The whole issue of "pay", and who is paying for what, would be irrelevant if the money-wage system and it's backer (the state) disappeared.
I don't hate anybody. Are you calling me Pol Pot for wanking off? Keep Mark Twain out of this. How can you build a wall around me? I'm not living in Palestine I don't even believe in Ol' Yaweh.
Hey, I'm more of a witch than you'll ever be--don't taze me bro!
I have sent your comment down to our cryptography department but they told me "bat shit crazy" was not a crackable code. So while you translate your post for those of us not currently enjoying recreational hallucinagens might I suggest you also consider the wisdom of avoiding the word "murder" if you want people to stay at a 2?
Can you also not recognize that Unicorns ordered John the aardvark to create the Universe?
And how can you Believe in evolution?!
Hmmm, you can't "recognize" something that's inherently bullshit, misleading, and untrue, unless POTENTIAL for life (and hence, masturbation, as you slap your own hand down) accompanies your realization that half a computer is not a functioning computer.
And, you can't "believe" in gravity. You either see it, realize and properly understand it, or you don't.
What goes up, does NOT always come down. Escape velocity. Oh and the term "crazy-ass creationists" is an example of redundant language. There are no other tpyes of creationists.
I suppose it is possible to be pro-life and to be progressive on many other issues. I would have to know more about your position to abortion before I pardon you.
I don't really have a position on abortion. It doesn't affect me. I just think it's so crazy that everyone gets their knickers in a twist over this one issue that no other country on earth fights about.
All the male congressmen are ALL Sarah Palin's DICKLESS and BALLESS BITCHES and PUSSIES! Palin is a SUPERIOR politician and statesman than these weak underlings could ever be. She is also MORE MAN than they are for they all wear the skirts in their families while their wives wear the pants! When Palin becomes POTUS, she will UNLEASH the WRATH OF GOD HERSELF onto the male congressmen who voted for Healthcare reform and EXPOSE their PUSSIES for the WHOLE WORLD to see!
Megatron is Optimus Prime's DICKLESS and BALLESS BITCH and PUSSY! Prime is a SUPERIOR leader and transformer than Megatron could ever be. He is also MORE BOT than he is for Megatron wears the skirt in the decepticons while starscream wears the pants!
I see Republicans regurgitate man-queefs from each other on a daily basis, hence their sick holocaust-signs, "abortion is murder, because ALL sperm must be turned into a human otherwise you're a murderer; perpetual mitosis" ass-backwards logic, ignorance of even BASIC history, sheer ignorance of ACTUAL politics, and physically STUPID Constitution-misreading Politicians... "logic".
"Club for growth politics"?!? Goddamn Michael is full of shit sometimes.
Some of these Blue Dogs have been against health care, against financial reform, for severe restrictions on abortion funding...you might as well be donating to Republicans.
GorgonLuvs: Thanks for posting that about Kucinich. That's an outrage about dismantling a state's independence to try something different. But, given the context of comprehensive health care reform, for me, an acceptable compromise.
Michael Moore disagrees with the bill too, YouTube Search: morning joe Michael Moore.
I haven't read the bill and I don't think I would understand it if I did. I choose to believe someone I trust. Dennis Kucinich says its worse that the status quo. I hope you guys watch him on Democracy Now.
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if openleft is a top progressive website then young turk's progressive site must be considered dumpster sewer trash cuz nobody EVER references his bullshit.
You'd have some kind of case if you were dismissing blogs as a legitimate thing to source. But you're making a false claim backed only by your clearly biased opinion. They are referenced quite often in the online community regardless of your dislike of them. I'm curious, if TYT is an epic failure, what brilliant source do you get your commentary from?
Blame the Republicans; forget the fact that the Democrats control the entire government. Blame Republicans. Nothing to see here. Focus all your attention on the party that has zero power.
TYT always focuses on Republicans. You know, the politicians who have no power. But thats okay, Obama is perfection. He is hope and change. He will give you what you need.
way to take things out of context... if you watched this show with even a bit of regularity you would know how critical they are of the obama administration and democrats in general.
if you use my tax money to fund wars I don’t agree with, pay corrupt politicians, and pay for what I believe to be murder, why the fuck should I have to pay taxes? Pay all you want. I have no problem paying for the road outside (which is never fixed... to busy dumping shit load of money into stopping bullying or some other graft campaign)
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excellent points, "act blue" got it.
also, one should start voting in the primaries to get these social conservatives replaced with real progressives.
tomitstube 2 years ago
who is this other guy? I don't really like him,.
electronicoffee 2 years ago
I dont like that guy cenk's with I dont feel like cenk likes him either he seems to always be interrupting cenk
ryan8247 2 years ago
Yea he is a douchebag.
jxsilicon9 2 years ago
Belief in god hinders the U.S. development.
Anidem9 2 years ago
where does it say that there should be a saparation of church and state? where in our consiution does it say that?
GodAthie 2 years ago
Well nowhere as far as I know, but I would say that its fair to separate state and church because there's a lot of religions out there, and not everyone in politics is christian, and if church had it's way in politics we would be killing people for not believing in the same god.
Anidem9 2 years ago
This is the result of the failure of our school system giving way to misinformation spread by the ignorant ladies and gentlemen.
GodAthie, separation of church and state is part of the FIRST amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop spreading misinformation when you know in your heart you don't know entirely what you speak of. This is counter-productive.
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago
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PresidentTeleprompte 2 years ago
it shouldnt have been in there in the 1st place.
RUKiddinMeHuh 2 years ago
Pro life :)
livll1 2 years ago
Huh, I'm not advocating killing 5 year olds. If you think it's OK to kill 5 year olds you got problems.
LazyYogi77 2 years ago
moosepok...
Oh i see anyone who is not a conservative is a "radical"?
LOL so glad the conservatives in my country are not lunatics like you!
phoboskitty 2 years ago
Basically that's how neocons these days work. Bush didn't submit his judge nominee to the American Bar Association for the exact same reason.
Savior20061 2 years ago
Even Obama's "moderate" position doesn't fly. Society needs to fix this mess, not gov't. There's no governmental obligation to 'reduce the number of abortions.' Plus, the incidence of abortion long-term has no real effect on our society! The only 'effect' is a little depopulation or less population growth plus a possible hidden effect of "encouraging" a "culture of death." Long-term letting a relative few abortions happen yearly isn't gonna kill us.
whoo689 2 years ago
No taxpayer funds of abortion or against abortion. This is a societal issue. Gov't stay out. That's why they're called SOCIAL issues. I'm sickened, as a libertarian, at how much social issues are dividing this country and have become politicized. Gay marriage, gay rights, gay adoption, abortion, etc. These things should be legal and a given!! They're privacy and individual freedom. You shouldn't have to go to the state for custody battles or to get a marriage contract, for god sake.
whoo689 2 years ago
This issue is too controversial to fund one side or the other. This is not a democracy but a republic. Read your Constitution. Just b/c the majority wants something doesn't always mean they should get it. Sometimes individual freedom and being stewards of taxpayer dollars is more important. The issue of abortion is pretty much 50-50 with public opinion. It would be a travesty for gov't to fund one side of it but screw the others who don't want it.
whoo689 2 years ago
Amen! As a liberal, I applaud you. Someone please take the Jesusfreaks and leave us the REAL fiscal conservatives and libertarians. I can live with them.
Savior20061 2 years ago
I agree with Cenk on a great many issues, but this one I don't.
First off, the day we say abortion in the same sentence as birth control is the day we've gone too far.
I am pro choice. I am also, and more so, pro self responsibility.
This bill does NOT infringe on a woman's right to chose. It does make it so people need to be RESPONSIBLE with their sexual activities.
Now what I would like to see is if it is a life and death situation for an abortion to be supported. But not just any time
Rantandreason 2 years ago
You see such a small picture it saddens me that you might actually vote.
I will try to explain the big picture to a reasonable degree.
1) Abortion is a form of birth control, even though it isnt a socially desirable form.
Fact is, things happen andit has nothing to do with responsibility.
We are humans and not always ableto be predictable or in control.
Sex is one of our strongest drives. I want people to be as in control as possible and not make many excuses, but I also accept sexual ...
waltermh111 2 years ago
Is hard to control.
I am for having restrictions, such as only a limited amount.
I hear Israel has that provision for enlisted soldiers HC coverage.
I am for strict restrictions after a certain amount of children. Basically, you keep putting yourself in trouble, we only have so much obligation to bail you out, if you want more help, you accept certain conditions.
waltermh111 2 years ago
So the fact is, being so much about self-responsibility that you fail to work within the framework of human nature is irresponsible.
Now here is where the big picture comes in.
Some acts of irresponsibility only cost the primary person.
Not allowing abortions wont stop people from having sex, or even slow it down.
But keeping things like it is, every baby they have costs us money, lots of it.
It costs us resources in all areas.
It often makes worse and less produsctive the lives ...
waltermh111 2 years ago
I agree that abortion should not be used in the same sentence as birth control. It should be used in the sentence with none of your business. Or in the sentence with don't tell others what medical procedures they can perform on their own bodies. As far as "people need to be responsible with their sexual activities". How about you worry about your sexual activities and not other peoples'. Not everyone can be as perfect as you. BTW the Stupak amendment does restrict a woman's right to choose.
marley54fd 2 years ago
of the person or people who have to take care of a baby they are trying to take responsibility for but cant yet handle.
We need education about safe sex, the birht control pill, day after pill, condoms, all the options, and make sure they know the consequences of unprotected sex, to pull out, etc...
But to punish us all so you can hopefully teach them about responsibility is so small minded.
Think, please.
waltermh111 2 years ago
"Think, please."
Actually I have, always. I've never gotten a woman pregnant. I've never had "a scare". I've always been responsible.
I'm sorry you find the notion of personal responsibility so hard that you want other people to pay for your mistakes, but in this case I happen to agree with the psycho christians for the most part.
I'm not saying to take away anybody's right to choose, but I am saying I shouldn't have to pay for your stupidity and lack of responsibility.
Rantandreason 2 years ago
well i dont think religion has anything to do with it. i dont think a kid is never a mistake thats just ridiculous. thats just like obama saying he wouldnt want to punnish his daughter with a kid. remember that we all have right to life
zakattak80 2 years ago
A right to life has nothing to do with this.
Theres no obligation to have a child, and having a child is sometimes a mistake.
Sometimes people arent ready to have children. Wrong time in their life, wrong personaility.
They dont plan it, but mistakes happen. Condom broke, birth control failed, or they didnt mean to have sex at all, but the passion overcame them and they didnt prepare.
Having a child at 14 in the US can be life ruining, and thats not something to wish on somebody.
waltermh111 2 years ago
And there is nobody stopping them from having an abortion. It's just not going to be funded by everybody else.
Rantandreason 2 years ago
right to life has everything to do with being pro-life to me. the child isnt the mistake having sex when not ready is the mistake.
zakattak80 2 years ago
Well, you can interpret "having the child is a mistake" how you like.
That could be considered getting yourself pregnant when not ready.
By the way, this isnt about having sex, its about getting pregnant.
Its quite possible to have lots of sex and never get pregnant, but that requires education.
waltermh111 2 years ago
no it requires commen sense and there is still a chance of getting pregnant so anyone should never be surprise if you get pregnant
zakattak80 2 years ago
People dont always think when their hormones take over.
The fact that you havent felt it at such a strong level doesnt mean others dont, or that they deserve such ridicule for their biological development.
We need education to help them cope with todays society, to reduce chances of pregnancy, to deal with any pregnancy, but to leave them without help when problems occur affects us all.
I for one will do what it takes to not just help them, but reduce its effect on me by helping them.
waltermh111 2 years ago
If only everybody was like you the world would be a better place, I know.
Believing based on anecdotal evidence and feelings is not thinking with anything but your heart and is small minded.
We are all born genetically different.
We even have different levels of desire for the opposite sex.
Its hard to understand others since you can only truly know your own internal feelings.
You cant feel the testosterone pumping in the man next to you, which may be 2x what you have pumping in you.
waltermh111 2 years ago
Those are all excuses of poor personal behavior. Please give me a valid reason why anybody in your examples can't use their reason and intellect to THINK about the consequences of their actions.
And if per chance they don't, they still have options available to them, it's just not going to be publicly funded.
I will gladly help pay for regular health care. But I would never pay for things that are unnecessary like boob jobs, liposuction, abortions etc. If you want those, pay for them yourself
Rantandreason 2 years ago
Why people cant always use intellect and reason is because they are human and emotions are as easily controlled for all as they are for you.
Just because you cant understand somebody else doesnt mean the way they feel does not exist.
Its not something easy to explain, you would have to do alot of study in psycology.
I agree we should work to overcome our emotional side, but I cant say its always possible.
Besides, again, their mistake is paid for my me and you directly or indirectly.
waltermh111 2 years ago
Also, not all abortion is unnecessary.
What about life-threatening pregnancies, pregnancy by means the pregnant woman had no control over?
Not getting abortion will likely raise all healthcare if they werent able to handle having the child also.
Being principled is nice, but not looking at the big picture is quite sad.
waltermh111 2 years ago
@superfuzz
The carrot and stick are two options. 1 use the carrot to entice the donkey forward or 2 use the stick to beat them to get them to move.
I am the meme guardian lol.
DiClarkio1 2 years ago
TYTs are completely off base on this issue. Democrats have a super majority in congress. Democrats have the White House. But the best health care the democrats can pass is a bad one. A $900billion pay-off to the insurance industry that takes away a woman's right to choose as an added insult. Way to go democrats! Vote yourselves a pay raise. Get a "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner. As a liberal, I think this bill, as is, is worse than the status quo.
marley54fd 2 years ago
Part of it was they wanted a Republican with them, and one only wanted on if the pro-life shit got put in the bill.
Mabuza14 2 years ago
hey cenk, i suddenly realised you have no idea what the "carrot and stick" meme is, the carrot is tied to a stick in front of the donkey to encourage it to walk. you cannot treat the stick and carrot as separate parts of the deal.
superfuzz 2 years ago
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mytecc88 2 years ago
The stupak ammendment got your bill through. Shit, complain about everything.
willsbanana 2 years ago
How many dems wouldnt have voted for the bill if the amendment wasnt on?
We already had I think 35 dems vote against it.
Are you saying we have more than 35 blue dogs?
We only got 1 repub with the amendment.
Maybe it would have been best not to get the bill passed and see what happens next year.
We already picked up 2 dem reps in repub territory.
Maybe 2010 would have given a better idea of what people want right now.
Maybe US isnt readyto advance if it needs this amendment to pass HC reform
waltermh111 2 years ago
super self righteous hypocrites want to force their beliefs on others all the time. they always scream freedom of religion if they get hounded for their arogance but don't mind using it to chain others. they want to be the rulers and damned be anyone not accepting their doctrine.
hahntsak 2 years ago 2
Definition: Pro-Life = Anti-Choice.
Even if you're not in favor of having an abortion, you should still be pro-choice. Pro-lifers try to force a personal, religiously-motivated choice on the general public.
OccamsView 2 years ago
dont think ive seen as much extremist right wing comments on TYT in a while. the sad thing is, these people are always some of the first people to comment on these videos. They love the negative attention on the internet because they know noone takes their opinions seriously
Xiller8 2 years ago
"Just write the name of the candidate you support on the back of a dollar, and you get one vote. If you write your candidate on the back of a $20 bill, you get 20 votes"
-Steven Colbert
fret2424 2 years ago 2
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anyone who supports abortion is nothing short of a murderer, and should be arrested as such. i cant wait until this health care bill fails, obamas socialist reich is overthrown, and republicans take this country back for god and freedom, then we can finally outlaw abortion once and for all, keep muslims out of our country to prevent another ft hood (like the holocaust, ft hood was caused by liberals as well) so if you love america VOTE REPUBLICAN
tehant1liberal 2 years ago
oh yea cuz god is proven to be real right?
FastLBR 2 years ago
Against my better judgment I have to ask. To which of the many "Gods" were you referring to?
I may also submit that many Americans no longer love America, but really desire to do so, and that is why they did not vote republican.
And can we PLEASE stop comparing Obama to Nazi Germany, my grandmother (who lived in Berlin) was very lucky to survive, and you are just insulting her memory and struggle and, by proxy, ME (unless you were actually there, fighting for your very survival).
fret2424 2 years ago
Anyone who wants to take away a woman's right to abortion is nothing short of a misogynist. Abortion cannot be compared to murder, the illegal killing of a person usually w/ malice, it is just complete bullshit. The rest of what you say is also complete bullshit. Keep your immaginary friends out of government. You're preventing freedom when you go against the rights of women to have an abortion.
kiwisunshine5233 2 years ago 2
@tehant1liberal
You are not for real or it's more than just drugs.
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
I love America, but I don't love how republicans are hindering its development.
Anidem9 2 years ago
The Title of this video literally made me LOL! Awesome job:)
preachersaredumb 2 years ago
@moosepok
radical? just wondering what cyrstal ball you are looking through that tells you the Dems will only have like 17% of the population on there side in 2010?
i find it funny that you think any of these people are radical? and that you think the "extreme left" even supports the Dem's or Obama... where did you learn about politics? fox news or the back of a cracker jack box?
i bet you think that your comments and opinions are taken seriously don't you?
phoboskitty 2 years ago
I have no crystal ball but he's seen the steepest drop in the polls of any president at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years. People see him for what he is now. There is no way that his ratings will go up.
What makes me think "any of these people are radical?" Bill Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Anita Dunn, Van Jones, John Holdren, I mean wakeup! The list is extensive and these folks are radical.
I couldn't really care less what you think because you're ignorant.
moosepok 2 years ago
if georgey hadn't of blown up the towers he would have seen worse
superfuzz 2 years ago
It really doesn't matter what the Democrats do in Washington. About the only people that will be supporting them in 2010 will be the black population (8%) and the extreme left (9%) because the people are waking up and seeing the tragic consequences of electing such a radical group on politicians. Record spending. Record deficits. Record unemployment. Record foreclosures. Terrorism returns to our country, etc, etc. and what is the Democrats answer? Spend more money. Absolutely brilliant!
moosepok 2 years ago
This started with the Republicans remember. Bush was the creator of the economic collapse.
Boogiedowndisciple 2 years ago 2
It's time to stop pointing fingers and become a united states again. We could point out Bush's fuckups all day until the cows come home, and it's a valid response to people pinning everything on Obama, but it's time to look forward.
I for one am sick of having to remind people of the incredible retard we had as a president these past 8 years.
We need two types of presidents on either side: JFK and Reagan.
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago 2
Right, Bush was the creator of the economic collapse and Obama threw gas on the fire. Brilliant strategy!
moosepok 2 years ago
What consequences? How has your life changed at all since Obama has been in office?
It never ceases to amaze me how obvious the group mentality is on the right. So much so that you think it's a talking point that will convince others to think as stupidly as you.
WHO CARES HOW EVERYONE VOTES? Vote how YOU want to vote. Just saying things like this doesn't bring up any issues at all, and only makes you sound like a desperate loser going down with the ship.
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago
Right. I haven't felt the consequences of Obama quadrupling the deficit so there's no impact right? Just trust Obama because MSNBC says he's a good and trustworthy man right? Talk about a group mentality - instead of calling you sheep we should call you Lemmings because I swear if Obama asked you to jump off a cliff with him you would. It's you and your ilk that look like a bunch of mindless losers that can't think outside of their stupid little Liberal box.
moosepok 2 years ago
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Dang liberals, they took our jobs!
Xiller8 2 years ago
WHAT?! What the hell does the tragedy at Fort hood have to do with Obama/Democrats? Thank you for agreeing that 9/11 was Bush's/(R)'s fault. What does the Obama have to do with unemployment and foreclosures that have been on a major rise since the 2nd quarter of 2006? Is Obama a magician that can stand behind a podium and *poof* banks stop foreclosing on delinquent home loans and businesses will stop firing people because they aren't generating enough revenue ? Wow you people are uber ignorant!
beatsbytheory 2 years ago 3
The Stupak amendment needs to be eliminated from any possible healthcare bill, plain and simple. It's a nice, if not so subtle plan to divide those who are in favor of reform, but if it actually goes through it's just another conservative victory against those evil baby killers and their crazy liberal views - views like freedom, choice etc. etc. You know, all the things the republicans say they're trying to protect by killing healthcare reform.
Ajacks1911 2 years ago
Donate to freaking Planned Parenthood if you're a fan of abortion.
Do you really think that donating to a politician will do squat?
Amy31415 2 years ago
Did Cenk actually tell ppl they should try to buy the pliticians, boostinga system of corruption?? LOL:..........
freshhug 2 years ago
Bill Hicks is alive!!!
korrdxl 2 years ago
TYTs have completely dropped the ball on this issue. The democrats have a super majority in congress and they have the White House. And the best the democrats can do for health care reform is a $900 billion payoff to the insurance industry and to deny women health coverage and their rights. Way to go, democrats. Take a victory lap and give yourselves raises. Get a "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner. This is an epic failure on the part of democrats. America would be better off with the status quo.
marley54fd 2 years ago
I have no stance on the abortion issue and I believe that lumping it as 100% women's rights is disingenuous. However the reality of the situation is that democrats are not defacto prochoice, I would probably vote prochoice because it's not my fucking business. But the point is, no one ever lied to you about this.
Xaklyth 2 years ago
Did I claim that anyone changed stances on this issue? But It is a fact that abortion is legal. However republicans have done all they can for decades to restrict women's access to abortion. This amendment does more than all of the republicans' efforts over the last couple decades combined. And it is a democratic amendment. My point is the democratic party is now willing to give up a core principle just so they can pass a bad health care bill. Even with a super majority the democrats look inept.
marley54fd 2 years ago
You missed my entire point Pro-choice has never been a proclaimed democratic standpoint. I tend to agree with it but you shouldn't be surprised here. And continually, abortion isn't legal, it's not illegal. The government simply can't do anything about it. (re: Roe v Wade)
Xaklyth 2 years ago
Yeah the democrats are really soft and they want "compromise" this is a big fail on their part
MoTiOn718 2 years ago
You're waaaay off. I'm Pro-Choice but abortion is an elective surgery unless it involves the concluded death of the mother and should not be paid for by the funds of tax payers. The (R) has done nothing about abortion but use it as a campaign talking point which is exactly that, TALK..to gain votes and get in office and do ZERO about it.
beatsbytheory 2 years ago
Too bad I don't live in Ike Skelton's district anymore. He's one of them, and I lived pretty close to his office.
jotunobsidianeyes 2 years ago
Im sorry but liberals will always be steam rolled if they conitue to be silent or wait until its to late (Like Iraq). U libs should be protesting in droves making your voices heard for everyone to hear. Protest to get that bill across before its too late and then nothing can be done about it. We need a this bill to save American lives remember Bill O the clown supports some sort of public option. Im a registered republican and I support this bill. Make your voices heard.
therepublicanknight 2 years ago 4
Nuts to "liberals" - which btw. describes the entire American political spectrum, from the extremes of the Republican and Democratic parties. It's only because political discourse is so bastardized in the U.S. that "liberal" has been transformed into a synonym for "the left" - the two are not the same!
It's been forgotten that "liberalism" is as bougie a phenomenon as any, that INCLUDES BOTH Republicans and Democrats.
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
god, fuck politics don't they know their playing with real lives? mark my words if anybody from my district voted against this hc bill, will not be voting for them in this next election, and I know I'm not alone
odom602 2 years ago 5
This issue (health care reform) is hard to follow from moment to moment and specific to specific. But I see no reason why the government should pay for elective abortions or abortions with no claim to medical.necessity or utility. In particular, when so many people have mortal objections to that.
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
The other side of the argument is, this effects low income women the greatest, and they tend to be higher in the abortion statistics.
Think about it, if a woman can't afford to get an abortion, is she going to be able to afford to give that baby a fair chance at life? If she wants to abort, but can't, will she even be a good parent to begin with?
While I think abortion of a pregnancy is heartbreaking, I see exactly where pro-choice is coming from on this in regards to who it effects most.
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago 9
Lory - The so-called pro-lifers only care about the gestation and birth of the human fetus; they care little to nothing for the life or quality of life of the child once born or any nonhuman life form for that matter. The "pro-lifers" are the ones most adamant against health reform which would improve the Life of millions.
Lynx787 2 years ago 2
It puts her in no different position than she's in now. Not discussing rape and incest, there are two other options to abortion: (1) giving up the child and (2) not doing what will make you pregnant. And is the average abortion procedure so expensive that a woman could not come up with the money if she really wanted to?
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
Oh, re auto insurance. It's a must have in most states--it is here. I say there no discrimination should be allowed on the basis of sex. Merely being an involuntary part of a group says little about how an individual will behave. But it is pretty much a given that a woman as an individual may need care due to pregnancy. If a woman may not need such care, then she should not be charged more just because she has two X chromosomes.
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
The position she's in now? This is about reform isn't it?
Coverage for choice makes so much sense. If a woman relies on the government for healthcare, she'll more than likely rely on them for welfare when the child is born. Welfare destroys lives.
Do u think the right to choice is limited to the rich? What about the right to make love? No birth control is 100%. For all the tube-tied, vasectomied, condom & nuvaring wearing lovers, there's an accidental pregnancy every once in a while.
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago
its called owning up to your accident a baby isn't a burden its part of life
our rights come from a higher that's the beilef that makes america different from the rest of the world a beilef that seems to have gotten us pretty far
now steam cells is a good debate cause i don't beileve that is life cause it was all done in a test tube
but a baby is baby no matter if u dont' want it and in most states moms can just give the baby to the state
GodAthie 2 years ago
If it were up to me, there would be no abortion. Not by force, but through education and information. If women knew exactly what options they had, I think abortion rates would go down. Guess what? That's not reality.
For you to say these things is VERY easy. To live them is another thing (and if you do, God bless you for being a shining example.)
A baby can very much be a burden. An accident can very much have no fault (which is the very definition of an accident.)
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago
Our rights don't come from God. God didn't write our constitution or our declaration of independence. Religion definitely played a big role in the lives of our forefathers, but so did slavery. It's OK to say we have grown, and are different from them in some ways. The ideology will always remain the same: All men & women are created equal and have a right to freedom. That might have been inspired by God, but where we live, our rights aren't handed down by the divine. They were fought for.
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago
Jesus christ boy you don't know shit. Most of the founding father's rejected Christianity and were deists at the most.
Also, back in those days, abortion wasn't an issue because if you got a bitch pregnant you just pushed her ass down the stairs and were done with it. That's abortion 1776 style.
Shadowlit001 2 years ago
no wheres in the consitution does it say anything about separtation of church and state it says no national relgon can be established meaning teh govenment cant openly promote just one relgion or discriminate against one.. but it doesn't say the govenment can't have open prayers at school, christmas plays, and every other relgious thing being attacked
its called a responsibilty if you are irisponcible you live with it babies are not a burden..
GodAthie 2 years ago
@LoryLandskipper: I actually had think about this. First, I know you don't mean it that way; however, you came uncomfortably close to poor women should choose abortions on that basis. Yes, but what is being decided is what reform there should be. I see you say that you said if you had your way there'd be no abortion. So, why do want government to encourage them by paying? There is, in fact, one birth control method that's 100. Also, out of respect for those who so oppose it, my opinion ...
newdarnaccount 2 years ago 2
is that public policy should be to not force people to pay taxes to provide them where there's no medical necessity. I think the average cost of a first trimester abortion is under $500. Also, if private groups want to help; of course, that's fine. There also seems to be no shortage of people who want to adopt babies. That's my position. We disagree, but it's been nice having a civil exchage with you. Sorry, for the typos. I get so caught up counting, my typing sometimes suffers.
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
I'll also add, nothing prevents a state from deciding it will pay for an elective or notherapeutic abortion.
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
If she cannot afford a baby, how is it that she can come up with the money to have her baby murdered?
angelshoulders 2 years ago
Yes, it take much less money to have a baby murdered than delivered and then to support it. Yours is a very astute comment. Fine, I change my mind; you should be taxed for the murder.
Happy now?
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
new...If the mother would place the baby into the loving& warm arms of a childless couple, there would be no expense to her at all.She could live out the rest of her life knowing she did not kill her baby! There are 36 couples for every 1 adoptive baby.This is why we must go abroad to get adoptions!
angelshoulders 2 years ago
@angelshoulders
and if she is raped..then what? still adopt it? well if she knows she's not gonna keep the seed of a piece of shit..,why struggle having it and going through the pain of giving birth and spending money on top of that while pregnant for meds or whatever they have to take to keep the baby healthy..sure it's not the babys fault that his biological father was scum..but then again, a fetus cant think or know what's going on while growing...it just looks wrong on paper to you...
regulatorzone 2 years ago
Because my son is a product of rape & he is a marvel to behold, funny, smart, compassionate, generous & everything most ppl adore! He is loved by everyone he meets!! I could never top one bad incident with another,killing my own baby! I could recover from being raped, but never from killing my baby. Two wrongs never, ever make a right! Never have & never will!
angelshoulders 2 years ago
"a fetus cant think or know what's going on while growing."
First off it depends on the development.
Second it's irrelevant regardless. We shouldn't decree death over something someone can't do.
wormer105 2 years ago
@wormer105
no it is completely relevant to the topic..people are just super sensitive..in fact they shouldn't care about what someone else does...how does it depend on the development? the average female gets her abortion two weeks after she finds out..so say 1-2 months tops...still hardly developed there.....it's their choice..let them be...they don't need sensitive hippies telling them what to do..or religious people for that matter
regulatorzone 2 years ago
Cool so then if you're in pain or getting attacked I'll leave you to it.
And since when did they deserve to decide the life and death of another human being (who they more than likely had a hand in putting there)?
wormer105 2 years ago 2
@wormer105
good, I wouldn't want you to help me..cuz then I'd have to owe you back..and I really don't like helping people I don't know...they decide to take a human life since it's their body..they have every right to that, as how you or me have a right to smoke, drink, or swear..eat..sleep...catch my drift? if it's drunk sex and she didn't think of the warnings that come with that..then yea, she should keep it for being stupid, and adopt it later..but if it's the seed of a rapist..then no ty
regulatorzone 2 years ago
Wrong again. NO ONE get's to choose wether or not innocent humans should die. That is no less than a right to commit murder.
If she's drunk then boohoo.
That child is not a rapist. It had no choice.
Should it die for that?
wormer105 2 years ago 2
@wormer105 You do realize that 90% of conceptions are naturally aborted. So... we should remove the ovaries from all women to prevent them from murdering dozens of innocent human lives while trying to get pregnant? Sorry... the moment a couple tries to get pregnant, they are choosing to 'murder' dozens of 'lives'. Is it the 'childs' fault that the parents decided to try for a child knowing that most of the zigots would fail?
BW022 1 year ago
@BW022 7 months = convo over.
So please do attempt to be semi-relevant.
Natural in this case means uncontrollable.
Hence there is no comparison at all.
wormer105 1 year ago
Not all adoptive couples are so warm and loving, unfortunately. Sometimes adoptive parents rape or murder their adoptive children.
MyrtleMessmer 2 years ago
Some?! Let's see your source & statistics on that !
angelshoulders 2 years ago
Joel Steinberg, with the complicity of his wife Hedda Nussbaum, murdered his adopted daughter Lisa Steinberg, in a notorious case. More recently, Eddy Tony Whisenhunt of Lacey, Washington, was convicted of repeatedly raping his 7 year old adopted daughter since she was
MyrtleMessmer 2 years ago
I do not in any way mean to lessen the seriousness of child abuse,, but that is ONE case. You made the comment, "Sometimes adoptive parents rape or murder their adoptive children." This act is horrendous, but not the case with the vast majority of adoptions. Please don't generalize!
angelshoulders 2 years ago
I'll stop generalizing right after you do.
MyrtleMessmer 2 years ago
For one, it's a heck of a lot less expensive to abort than to raise a child!
MyrtleMessmer 2 years ago
I'm not saying they SHOULD choose based on their situation, I say they DO. That's reality. I don't think the government is encouraging abortions by providing a woman with a healthy way abort her pregnancy.
You can't stop illegal immigrants by putting up a wall and you can't stop abortion by taking away choice.
What happens now is some women turn to a far cheaper option: The black market. Think it doesn't exist? It does. Lack of coverage encourages this black market.
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago
To comment on your statement about democrats voting for the Pro-Life bill and against the H.C. bill in its entirety. Its simple some democrats were elected in generally red districts because people were against Bush. Those democrats know that if they should vote for the H.C. bill they could easily be outed in their next election.
HHH00069 2 years ago
I see no use for Democrats by name only. Some of the Democrats that are voting against it are also voting against their constituents according to polls. Follow the money.
RealLifeProduct 2 years ago 3
sex and contraception
generation Y says; whaat ? is this contra. thingy?
i don`t use a contrathingy!
Realizalize 2 years ago
"vote with your dollars".. god that's depressing
lewis493 2 years ago
It's the American way!
Goodness, it's the way in most "liberal democracies."
You're already free folks. Shake off these parasites - you can do better!
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
I think it's funny that Cenk and all these liberals were saying this legislation will not lead to government intervening in decisions between you and your doctor. You see when you let the government get involved in something it's not just Democrats/liberals that get to dictate terms. Republicans/conservatives also get too control your healthcare choices after you have given them power to do so. Maybe this will give your liberals some 2nd thoughts about government intervention in healthcare.
Debonair73 2 years ago
same goes with the second amandment and the death panels.
Realizalize 2 years ago
You're forgetting one other entity. The Insurance Companies. In my mind, they are more evil then the gov't. Do you like it when your ins. co. won't pay for your care even though you need it? That's the real enemy
Fringe111 2 years ago 2
single payer is the best alternative.
ddean1987 2 years ago 5
"Government" as a game for elites of which we get some token participation (but only after being heavily propagandized by power through advertising, campaigning, and "education") is what needs to end.
With it's abolition, the protection racket it runs for the fictions of "money" and "capital" will evaporate.
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
It isn't. It's just about whether the government should pay the doctor. for an elective abortion if that's the decision.
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
i'm really glad to see there being at least a partial devil's advocate in this.
while i often agree with cenk, i'd much rather see debate and weighing of both sides on issues. not all issues require it, of course, but sometimes an objection on the show's a good way to further expand on an issue. as well, if the debate is credible, the topic becomes more credible as well.
debate is one of the finest actions any political commentary can make. i hope to see more soon.
guybuddyson 2 years ago
I sent an e-mail to Ried the other day asking him how to donate to his campaign because he was being strong about the public option. He hasn't answered.
DrQuijano 2 years ago
TYTs keep saying how savvy the DNC is for getting this bill passed in the house. The DNC has a super-majority in congress. They have the White House. And what kind of long-overdue, sweeping change reform bill did they come up with? A huge payout for insurance companies that takes away a woman's legal right to abortion. Democrats, take a bow. Give yourselves raises. The only thing missing from this disaster of a bill is a big "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner.
marley54fd 2 years ago
dude. there is a difference between a 'baby' and a fucking cluster of cells that is not even technically a fetus yet.
moondreamer68 2 years ago 2
So where is the money to pay for all these unwanted children then? Hm? Who is paying for them? No one. Because pro-lifers only care about the unborn and not the born.
moondreamer68 2 years ago 2
Is it so impossible to be a progressive that recognizes abortion is murder?
LazyYogi77 2 years ago
Yes. We dont see masterbation as genocide either. Its the difference between rational people and religious people, and NEVER the twain shall meet.
Look, i am a progressive, you are a regressive, and we just have to agree to hate each other and start trying to build a wall around you. You could live happily in your enclave, maybe bring back slavery and burn some witches. And we could start fixing all the problems you left us. Its a win win situation :)
morganbath 2 years ago 3
lol, I love your comment, it's informative and hilarious at the same time =D
True, from the logic of some of the woefully uneducated (or just outright STUPID) among us, they'd consider a log to be alive, since it's composed of hydrocarbons, the same organic constituent compounds that constitute the human brain.
Or even an improperly developed fetus whose brain is improperly forming.
Stem cells, organic compounds, etc.
Until a self-aware COMPOSED brain fires for the first fucking time...
TAz69x 2 years ago
Sadly, these regressive, uneducated imbeciles murdering abortion (and HIGHLY educated, FAR more valuable to society than they themselves are) doctors, are regressing our advancing society in an attempt to belittle progress introvert to the dark ages.
The organic compounds that constitute our brain have existed within this Universe >13.7 Billion years before now, and have never been "alive".
Until they coalesce as a functioning self-aware human brain, POTENTIAL for life ≠ alive.
TAz69x 2 years ago 2
This is very "just so" on your part.
Perhaps "life" is the wrong word to use here. A better argument can be made that everything is "alive", including so called "inanimate" (not true; nothing is "inanimate" in fact, only to our crude perceptive tools) objects.
I'm against the state - so I don't believe in coercing people into anything. The whole issue of "pay", and who is paying for what, would be irrelevant if the money-wage system and it's backer (the state) disappeared.
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
You're at a 10 when you need to be at a 2.
I don't hate anybody. Are you calling me Pol Pot for wanking off? Keep Mark Twain out of this. How can you build a wall around me? I'm not living in Palestine I don't even believe in Ol' Yaweh.
Hey, I'm more of a witch than you'll ever be--don't taze me bro!
And what problems did I leave for you?
I voted for Nader since '96.
Don't ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME.
LazyYogi77 2 years ago
I have sent your comment down to our cryptography department but they told me "bat shit crazy" was not a crackable code. So while you translate your post for those of us not currently enjoying recreational hallucinagens might I suggest you also consider the wisdom of avoiding the word "murder" if you want people to stay at a 2?
morganbath 2 years ago
Can you also not recognize that Unicorns ordered John the aardvark to create the Universe?
And how can you Believe in evolution?!
Hmmm, you can't "recognize" something that's inherently bullshit, misleading, and untrue, unless POTENTIAL for life (and hence, masturbation, as you slap your own hand down) accompanies your realization that half a computer is not a functioning computer.
And, you can't "believe" in gravity. You either see it, realize and properly understand it, or you don't.
TAz69x 2 years ago 2
Dude, there's a lot of evidence for evolution. Just look at the fossils. Are you one of those crazy-ass creationists?
Gravity, Oh yes, what goes up, must come down. Every action has a result. So every result has a cause.
LazyYogi77 2 years ago
I thought my "John the Aardvark" line was a strong enough preface to indicate satire.
Evolution > Gravity in terms of variances of evidence (different fields of science PROVING it) if you need a straight unsatirized comment.
TAz69x 2 years ago
What goes up, does NOT always come down. Escape velocity. Oh and the term "crazy-ass creationists" is an example of redundant language. There are no other tpyes of creationists.
Yes i am feeling belligerantly precise today :P
morganbath 2 years ago
I suppose it is possible to be pro-life and to be progressive on many other issues. I would have to know more about your position to abortion before I pardon you.
eirefrance 2 years ago
I don't really have a position on abortion. It doesn't affect me. I just think it's so crazy that everyone gets their knickers in a twist over this one issue that no other country on earth fights about.
LazyYogi77 2 years ago
so the correct vote is what these guys want? that's very george bush-sounding to me...
stefminus 2 years ago
What ever happened to state and religion?
demonicanthonyalbert 2 years ago
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All the male congressmen are ALL Sarah Palin's DICKLESS and BALLESS BITCHES and PUSSIES! Palin is a SUPERIOR politician and statesman than these weak underlings could ever be. She is also MORE MAN than they are for they all wear the skirts in their families while their wives wear the pants! When Palin becomes POTUS, she will UNLEASH the WRATH OF GOD HERSELF onto the male congressmen who voted for Healthcare reform and EXPOSE their PUSSIES for the WHOLE WORLD to see!
ecwaufisxtreme 2 years ago
I cannot tell if this is a joke, or a serious thought...
bfl3tcher 2 years ago 3
Wow. Bet you're a real hoot to party with. Except it's hard to find a bar with troll stools.
billyshake 2 years ago 3
Megatron is Optimus Prime's DICKLESS and BALLESS BITCH and PUSSY! Prime is a SUPERIOR leader and transformer than Megatron could ever be. He is also MORE BOT than he is for Megatron wears the skirt in the decepticons while starscream wears the pants!
SpicerX 2 years ago 2
ecwaufisxtreme (You are an extreme queef?)
You copy and pasted that shit from before.
I see Republicans regurgitate man-queefs from each other on a daily basis, hence their sick holocaust-signs, "abortion is murder, because ALL sperm must be turned into a human otherwise you're a murderer; perpetual mitosis" ass-backwards logic, ignorance of even BASIC history, sheer ignorance of ACTUAL politics, and physically STUPID Constitution-misreading Politicians... "logic".
But ur Post's just weak
TAz69x 2 years ago 4
"Club for growth politics"?!? Goddamn Michael is full of shit sometimes.
Some of these Blue Dogs have been against health care, against financial reform, for severe restrictions on abortion funding...you might as well be donating to Republicans.
Uberbah 2 years ago
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mytecc88 2 years ago
No viagra, no limp dick shit if we can't have safe abortions! It's a medical procedure. Keep your religion out of my reproductive choice!
SkreetGil 2 years ago
congressmEn... not congressmAn
erginakif 2 years ago
When conservatives did this in NY-23, Cenk called them idiots.
Debonair73 2 years ago
DCCC and DLC are right wing saboteurs.
Only give to the DNC, ActBlue, or directly to the Representative/Senator.
Lets smoke these fuckers out of the party.
sonyavsystem 2 years ago 3
They need to put this show in the slot that Chris Matthews has on MSNBC...
...Chris Matthews is a mouth-breather...
...Cenk is the man.
treid100182 2 years ago 2
Example: District 8 of Florida :D
imover18gotityube 2 years ago
Dennis Kucinich voted against both and explains why on Democracy now (Nov 9 2009)
He is against the health care because:
- he is against forcing people to give money to private insurers.
- there is nothing to keep the insurers in check,
- the bill lost the legal protection necessary for individual states to start single payer systems (White House removed it).
So voting against the bill is not necessarily a bad thing just because republicans are doing it.
GorgonLuvs8008135 2 years ago 5
GorgonLuvs: Thanks for posting that about Kucinich. That's an outrage about dismantling a state's independence to try something different. But, given the context of comprehensive health care reform, for me, an acceptable compromise.
NewYorkViolets 2 years ago
Michael Moore disagrees with the bill too, YouTube Search: morning joe Michael Moore.
I haven't read the bill and I don't think I would understand it if I did. I choose to believe someone I trust. Dennis Kucinich says its worse that the status quo. I hope you guys watch him on Democracy Now.
GorgonLuvs8008135 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
if openleft is a top progressive website then young turk's progressive site must be considered dumpster sewer trash cuz nobody EVER references his bullshit.
young turk is an EPIC FAILURE
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
friction00815 2 years ago
You'd have some kind of case if you were dismissing blogs as a legitimate thing to source. But you're making a false claim backed only by your clearly biased opinion. They are referenced quite often in the online community regardless of your dislike of them. I'm curious, if TYT is an epic failure, what brilliant source do you get your commentary from?
Zeromus7 2 years ago
i dont like this nitpicky guy arguing with cenks clearly true point
SecularTalk 2 years ago
lol...
JAROSLAVAGINA 2 years ago
Blame the Republicans; forget the fact that the Democrats control the entire government. Blame Republicans. Nothing to see here. Focus all your attention on the party that has zero power.
evane1989 2 years ago
Someone's never watched this show before, hm?
TheCelticNinja 2 years ago 4
or this video, for that matter.
TheCelticNinja 2 years ago 2
TYT always focuses on Republicans. You know, the politicians who have no power. But thats okay, Obama is perfection. He is hope and change. He will give you what you need.
Obama, our savior.
evane1989 2 years ago
way to take things out of context... if you watched this show with even a bit of regularity you would know how critical they are of the obama administration and democrats in general.
MrHighlulu 2 years ago 2
if you've been watching TYT for any credible length of time, you would know that they do not only focus on Republicans
heyjunky 2 years ago 3