IF this is a good representation of Rob Bell's theology, he needs to be grabbed by the hair and thrown out into the street as a heretic. Anathema! this is NOT the bible, not sound doctrine, it is psychobable 101 and it stinks!
Oh, Yes (sarcasm) Rob Bell, Jesus was not talking about forsaking hiuman justification and leaving vengence to God, but instead he was teaching baskic human equality
The thing we really need to ask ourselves is, "Is this man doing any damage to Christianity, or are shallow, undecided, lukewarm 'christians' just gravitating toward him to justify their unbelief in the Inspiration of ALL Scripture?" If this is the case, no harm, no foul... I am already aware that false christians are being raised up to condemn God's people as heretics in the last days. If they were of us, they would have stayed with us... Its not judgemental. Its matter-of-fact.
I think that people do not understand Rob Bell because he is an abstract thinker. He thinks and interprets like an artist, also. For me, what he is doing here makes sense. You see, Jesus knew that the persecutor loves to hate, and by turning the other cheek willingly to the oppressor, you cause them to face their action in a different perspective, and you actually have power. When you return insult for insult, it escalates the violence, and then the oppressor feels more justified in his actions.
wow, its sick how Rob Bell comes up with stuff like this to make himself look like some kind of genius... that was a pretty far-out and kinda stupid interpretation.
To enter the Kingdom of heaven we must be 'as children' MEANING take the literal, simple interpretation.. "turn the other cheek" refers to not reacting with malice but with love SO 'GAINING LOSS GROUND' from the enemy.. ANY 'clever' or 'deeper' interpretations serves only to elevate the speaker and not THE LIVING GOD & JESUS CHRIST. ALL Praise, Honour & Glory to HIM alone.. YES!
not every single thing in the bible is literal--take the passage surrounding Mark 9:43 God's not saying to mutilate yourself and cut off a body part, it is a figurative command about getting rid of sin. however i am with you on your last comment--praise honor & glory to God alone.
how convoluted! i've heard ppl try to explain this one over and over, so many ways, it's quite funny. it simply means what it says. here's an example. when i talk to an atheist on youtube they often say something rude to me right off the bat, i ignore it, and we carry on with that out of the way. we go on to have a meaningful conversation, but it's almost like a little test. they find out my character, that i'm not going to go off or get bent out of shape/call names, but instead persevere.
Good theology right here. Rob Bell examines the Bible passage in light of the culture that it was spoken. This is how everyone back in 1st century B.C. from Christ's disciples to the Pharisees, would have understood it.
2nd Timothy 4:3: For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine, but they will heap up teachers to themselves according to their own lusts, tickling the ear.
Do you have a scriptural reference for any of this nonsense you are talking about?
How about Born of Water and Spirit? Accepting is not even mentioned in scripture. Why so worried about going to heaven. How about Loving God? I'm Attacking your False Teaching. yes (Don't speak unless you know what your talking about.)
There's nothing wrong with demanding good, Biblical doctrine be taught from the pulpit. It doesn't, unfortunately, sound like you ever got that from your pastor either. 'Invite Jesus into your heart' ? Is that even IN the Bible? Romans 10:9 does not say that. How about the Doctrine of Election? You think RB would ever teach that on Sunday morning?
But Bell's teachings are false teachings. His focus isn't on salvation for the lost at all. Why? Because he doesn't think anyone's really in any trouble. It's important that, as Christians, we point these things out because, like Christ, we don't want people to be led astray. God desires all to be saved, and so should we. Bell's social gospel teachings aren't the way to go.
Then what knowledge should people use? their own? The word of God is to be used for correction, for instruction...Wow it is so sad to see so many like followers of Bell instead of Jesus. Who's words are you going to believe?
It is the message of self empowerment rather than the power of Christ living in us by his spirit that is wrong. The general misappropriation of scripture and entertaining rants combined with both fluffy and false doctrine. This ain't his worst teaching - it's in his books sex god and velvet elvis. Take what it's worth from the titles. I'm probably rehashing the same stuff i've been arguing.
I'm not suggesting he's said that. I'm saying that's what he said.
How can I take out of context something that he did not say (you then suggest I am twisting his words). Bell states that you don't have to believe the trinity, as an example. Can you please explain that away?
I'm quite confused to the extent that people go to to defend the writings of a fallen human being who defrauds the gospel of it's power.
I like you conclusion. I'm wrong .. so I'm a moron. You might have to look in the Bible to prove that.
Fortunately you've proven my point. There are people who cannot accept that Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Three separate personalities in the one true deity. Jesus prayed, but never to himself. The spirit descended on Him as a dove. Google carm and trinitarian verses. Check it out. I think you'll find you're wrong.
the first bit of evidence is the hebrew word for God (pronounced 'Elohim' in english) is actually in plural tense, meaning more than one. God is more than one, in a state of oneness (if that makes sense). The trinity is a very biblical concept, its the word "trinity" itself that we created outselves to describe the concept.
the labeling of some position as heresy implies the rejection of the legitimate religious authority in favor of some illegitimate authority.Rob Bell is for God not against.
hmm it is passive. it is 'just take it' that's exactly what this verse means. Was Jesus passive on the cross? Was he led like a lamb to the slaughter passively?? yes. Did he 'just take it'? Yeah because He was humble and submitted to the protections and will of God. So should we be in my opinion. God Bless.
Again "is no longer OK to be a simpleminded fundamentalist" what gives you the right to label any group simpleminded? The fact that you've read the book and that your friends are so involved in it means that you are no fair judge on what is right and wrong, and you should know better than to swallow poo. Now you turn to name calling. Looks like you can get a badge that says "I hate truth, faith in anything else is better." Think about it.
read the truth in Lev 11:9-12, we are all damned to hell unless we repent from the cultural depravity of red lobster, popeye's, and long john silvers.....
It's obvious he attracts people who are not real students of scripture. I would not listen to anything he has to say. The truth absolute is what attracts all belivers to delve in the debths of Holy Writ. Scripture Alone, not 50 ways to have a better marriage, life,etc. God requres obedience. People these days are worshiping a made up god certainly not the God of the Bible.
Your assertions are insulting, rude, and unbiblical to say the least. It is arrogantly presumptuous for you to say that anyone that listens to him is not a student of the bible. I KNOW that I am a student of Scripture, and read Velvet Elvis and feel it was a positive experience for my faith. Does that mean I'm not a Christian?
you have no idea, he lives in the poorest part of the city, with his family, next to a crack house. he farts out more humility in his sleep than you will ever know (I hope im wrong though)....
actually he rarely talks about it, (especially publicly) and I really was concerned about saying it just for the reasons you stated. But we are all different, and you preach the gospel your own way, bless you for that. But we are also different, and are blessed by the poor and oppressed that we engage and stand with. you sound angry, remember the one who angers you controls you.
Peace and mercy be with you, and remember, mercy triumphs over judgement.
I'm actually quoting the Bible (first quote you responded too). How can U assume that I have nothing to do with the poor (matthew 5)? Where did you get that idea from? You also assume that I am angry. I am concerned that people will follow a false teacher rather than the word of God. Jesus never taught self love, he taught self denial. Rob bell teaches being non-judgemental by judging those he considers judgemental. see 2 timothy 3 (quoted above). Always take the word of God over any man.
I apologize if I assumed anything not true. Bless you and any work you do for the marginalized. And please give me a quote from anything that he has written so that you can make your accusations clear. I can say that you have a tree growing out of your head, but it means nothing without something tangible so address.
If you were really serious about the book, you'd read it dude. I'm not going to go searching through my notes, the book to find every single quote. If you were sincere it would take you all of an hour to find just a few obvious heresies. I've read large portions of both. Watch the bullhorn guy video. I've told you where. Even just look at the names of the book - "Sex God" ... ???? Or are you too busy responding to my comments.
Nope, I have read all those books, My friend is the one who edits the nooma, and his sister plays most of the music on them. The real problem here is that you have taken the greek stencil of the gods, zeus hermes ect, and laid it over the text to come to your final decree on G-ds logos. I have come to the wisdom that G-d holds the patent on truth not us, and it is no longer OK to be a simpleminded fundamentalist, G-ds logos is a beautifully woven tapestry, it is evil to make it less...
Judaism and most of the authors of Scripture ARE eastern in their thinking and culture....so why are you hinting that Rob is committing evil by looking at the text with an Eastern mindset?
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
i've heard a full talk explaining this concept.. this clip doesn't explain it at all. it's set in the context of the time period and culture. try and find the rest of the talk before casting judgement.
everyone is subjectively perceiving the objective. in your opinion, rob bell, is a false teacher. in my opinion, only God has the real understanding to make a judgement like that - perhaps you do not have the love in your heart to love your enemies? perhaps jesus' words trump paul's?
i have no idea how Rob Bell decided what it means to turn the other cheek... Slap? Hit? isn't this just semantics? honestly.. turning the other cheek wasn't about shaming the other person... it was about humility and surrender.. please!
Some background: according to Rob Bell, in Jesus' time, daily tasks were done with the right hand (hence shaking hands). The left hand was reserved for cleaning your body and was considered dirty because of this. So if anyone were to strike anyone, they would naturally use their right hand. A "slap" was done with the back of the right hand and was reserved usually for a master-slave relationship. So a man getting hit would be "slapped" on the right cheek.
If the man turned to the striker his left ("other") cheek, the striker could no longer "slap" with the back of his right hand, but would have to "hit" the man with the palm of his right hand, a strike which you would use for someone you considered an equal, a master-master relationship if you will.
I love rob bell because he speaks of a relationship with the creator, he is encouraging and edifying and not condemming. I believe he has a God given vision and enthusiasm for the modern church. apart from that i really do think it's ridiculous to make comment on such a small snippet of video.
just suggest reading the Bible. Rob Bell suggests in his book velvet elvis that it does not matter what you believe, and he further states that God is unknowable and you cannot have a personal relationship with him. That truth is relative. If you find him encouraging that's nice, but I find him deceptive.
Youre being deceptive by misquoting his book. He does not it doesn't matter what you believe or that you can't have a personal relationship with God, he examines what it really means to live as Christ taught us to live. Everyone hears one little piece of what Rob Bell says and runs with it claiming its so against God and the Bible, but its not. He just states the fact that "personal relationship" is never mentioned in the Bible
and that these words we give to describe and represent such an amazing thing God gives us, can sometimes limit our views and put this huge and immeasurable God into a box; God is love, and Rob Bell affirms all of the core Christian beliefs necessary for salvation and Gods plan in the beginning section of Velvet Elvis. Open your mind and let God be more than what we've been so used to seeing Him as. I pray that this whole discussion over Rob Bell doesn't put people off
or make anyone who hasn't accepted Christ as their Savior any more likely to not see God's love. We all need to stop arguing, and just be like Christ, spreading God's love to all.
You need to ensure that you are seeking out your own salvation with fear and trembling as the scripture exhorts, testing yourself to see if you are in the faith, rather than doing what you accuse others of which is arguing.
Actually Rob never mentions salvation from hell, God's mercy to save us from our sins, or God's provision for our forgiveness of sins on the cross, or the need of repentance.
He simply states that he believes in the trinity, but that it is not Biblical (liar!!!), he also affirms some other doctrines, but insists that these are merely negotiable, rather than determined by God.
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
you have to learn to test things out question even scripture... not because your thinking Gods word is "insufficient" but because God's word goes far deeper then our own understanding than what our mind can even grasp. God's word is absolute, isnt it also ignorant to think your capable of knowing what God's word is all about? I mean wheres you scritpure to back up ou opinion?
shaming the other person... but that doesn't make sense really. Turning the other cheek is a way of being humble, and accepting your punishment in a way. I think there are a few ways you can take this verse deeper, but I don't think what he illustrated here is one of those ways...
Wow thanks everyone for your comments. Back in my comment about me thinking that he seems to have taken the passage out of context- I can get more specific. He seems to make it sound like the idea behind the verse that says "turn the other cheek also" has something to do with
Biblical view of Love and today's Love is so different. Love is when Jesus didn't say a word when He could have called upon the Angels in heaven to stop what was going on. Love is when someone lays down their own self for another person. Love is not some muchy emotinal experience it is real caring, and sacrificial. And doing whatever for another person.
jbohica, do you think the Bible arose from some Western society? let's not be silly, Christianity is an eastern religion co-opted by Westerners. Eastern philosophy? yes, you can find it in the Scriptural writings of Paul, Peter, et. al. by the way, you're probably influenced by Western post-Enlightenment philosophy, so which is "worse"?
feanor+those who agree need to read his books. He has a much deeper/truer understanding of the Bible than many of the 'famous' evangelists and 'bible' teachers of the world.
He understand the contexts of the bible. And consequently has a very true picture.
'just preach the bible?'you can't even read the bible in it's original context, culture or even LANGUAGE!
I do agree that you shouldn't believe everything that everyone tells you (including your pastors).Not a Christian? Pffft. What say you?
and to "preach the bible" by your(assumed) definition, would be to only use the original manuscripts and read it word for word out loud, with no emphasis in speech, no inflection, nothing. because otherwise, it is a mans interpretation of what the original words state, and therefore it should then be considered heretical and wrong... by your standards, that is
maybe if any of you actually listened to any of his speaking you would see the level of depth and study this man puts into what he teaches. "preach the bible" is to say that there is one simple way to understand what the bible is teaching. but that's impossible, otherwise "eternal security" would not be debated by theologians... cuz every side of the argument is completely scriptural, it just depends on the interpretation.
Turn the other cheek to "shame the other person" very nice. How vengeful! I never understood the teaching of turn the other cheek and by doing that, you'll be heaping hot coals upon their head. Vengeful indeed. How about turn the other cheek because the other person DOESN'T deserve to be hurt???
I think your judgement is not plausible (maybe because this is a 60 second clip that doesn't even allow you to see the rest of his remarks on the subject), but it's clear he is not touting to shame the other person in a vengeful manner but a convicting one.
Amen! If someone wants to be a guru, then they should stop pretending to be a Christian. He is obviously more interested in the teachings of Ken Wilber, so why doesn't he become a Wilberite? Perhaps then he would not be able to sell his 10 min videos for $12 each.
B) You can't just "preach the bible." It's ignorant thing to say. That's why there's more than 32,000 christian denominations today. Because everyone just "preaches the bible." If it was so easy to interpret, then we wouldn't need tens of thousands of different versions of Christianity, would we?
Don't rip on rob. If you've heard the other things that go along with this you wouldn't be so quick to judge. There were a lot of sayings Jesus used that we don't understand because:
A) It's been over 2000 years and only now do we have the freedom of information that we can piece together some of the language and customs that were taken for granted at the time.
against the system here is just referring to the fact that he's not teaching what the Bible says, of course no one has heard this thinking before, its because its his own thoughts, nothing to do with what the text is acctually saying. its sad that people latch on to his every word without checking it out against the Bible, which he seems not to do either.
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rob has a knack for diluting Christ's teachings when he throws them way out of context like that. all he is doing is pulling a meaning thats not there it all, and people see it as revolutionary thinking. well of course no ones said it before, its not in the text! preach the Bible.
@stevenaslaughter get offline if it's evil :P
rushiasingsfasola 3 weeks ago
how isnt this theologically sound?
LeBrianguy 9 months ago
@LeBrianguy
its unorthodox. You decide if unorthodox = false.
I don't mind unorthodox teaching as it tends to make me think more.
sapnyosentry 6 months ago
IF this is a good representation of Rob Bell's theology, he needs to be grabbed by the hair and thrown out into the street as a heretic. Anathema! this is NOT the bible, not sound doctrine, it is psychobable 101 and it stinks!
Oh, Yes (sarcasm) Rob Bell, Jesus was not talking about forsaking hiuman justification and leaving vengence to God, but instead he was teaching baskic human equality
NOT
What crap!
buzzbbird 9 months ago
The thing we really need to ask ourselves is, "Is this man doing any damage to Christianity, or are shallow, undecided, lukewarm 'christians' just gravitating toward him to justify their unbelief in the Inspiration of ALL Scripture?" If this is the case, no harm, no foul... I am already aware that false christians are being raised up to condemn God's people as heretics in the last days. If they were of us, they would have stayed with us... Its not judgemental. Its matter-of-fact.
PerezUzzah 1 year ago
i agree... completely .. sometimes we just have to let people have their opinions ..
even if you dont think they are right .. God works differently in different people..
i like Rob bell .. some people dont ..
if you dont ... its ok, you are entitled to your opinion
if you do .. great
nzge15 2 years ago 2
@nzge15 ...as if there was no truth? hmm, shame on Gods word then, for not being able to teach us the truth.
meinaim 11 months ago
Very Cool Teachings.
Love robs stuff
KiwiChristian 2 years ago 2
Steven,
I love how you just broke this down!!!
Religion has dwindled the speaking ability of God down to a collection of inspired writings, as if God has nothing else to say outside of that.
brentduanefoster 2 years ago 3
i love what you just said..
GOD is bigger than religion ..
nzge15 2 years ago
So much bigger!!! :)
brentduanefoster 2 years ago
But there were False Prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be False Teachers among you,
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,
even denying the LORD that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction"
(2Peter 2:1).
MrJohnfourteensix 2 years ago
@MrJohnfourteensix
John 11:35
Jesus wept
sapnyosentry 6 months ago
I think that people do not understand Rob Bell because he is an abstract thinker. He thinks and interprets like an artist, also. For me, what he is doing here makes sense. You see, Jesus knew that the persecutor loves to hate, and by turning the other cheek willingly to the oppressor, you cause them to face their action in a different perspective, and you actually have power. When you return insult for insult, it escalates the violence, and then the oppressor feels more justified in his actions.
peppercar 2 years ago 2
Totally agree. The people who don't get it are missing the point. Nothing's changed, hardly anyone "got it" when Jesus said it either!
CaraCross 2 years ago
I dont get what's so wrong about Rob.
oldfivemoon 3 years ago
there is nothing wrong with Rob.
KiwiChristian 2 years ago
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Rob Bell turns my stomach, as do other ungodly heretics and blasphemers. He's a tool in the hand of Satan, leading people down the Road to Perdition.
Dump Bell and listen to Christians. Voddie Baucham, Paul Washer, John Piper, John MacArthur, Alistair Begg, James White are all true men of God.
Listen online for free to Wretched Radio with Todd Friel. Visit Way of the Master & Living Waters with Ray Comfort.
Run from Bell - he's the Pied Piper to Hell.
talitha00cumi 3 years ago
Yeah. I'm sure YOU know what is Godly and what is not.
notefromself 2 years ago
MY GOD!!!! The aforementioned are a million times worse than Rob bell will ever be. Calling mere assumption faith and orthodoxy.
I vomit in wretching convulsions!!!!!!
PenSword35 2 years ago
Jesus was talking about not returning insult for insult. The phrase he used was an idiom. Rob Bell is full of it!
the13thof12 3 years ago
@the13thof12
Don't make me turn my cheek at you
sapnyosentry 6 months ago
wow, its sick how Rob Bell comes up with stuff like this to make himself look like some kind of genius... that was a pretty far-out and kinda stupid interpretation.
centeredonchrist 3 years ago
To enter the Kingdom of heaven we must be 'as children' MEANING take the literal, simple interpretation.. "turn the other cheek" refers to not reacting with malice but with love SO 'GAINING LOSS GROUND' from the enemy.. ANY 'clever' or 'deeper' interpretations serves only to elevate the speaker and not THE LIVING GOD & JESUS CHRIST. ALL Praise, Honour & Glory to HIM alone.. YES!
DATCMOTO 3 years ago
not every single thing in the bible is literal--take the passage surrounding Mark 9:43 God's not saying to mutilate yourself and cut off a body part, it is a figurative command about getting rid of sin. however i am with you on your last comment--praise honor & glory to God alone.
genie3971 3 years ago
how convoluted! i've heard ppl try to explain this one over and over, so many ways, it's quite funny. it simply means what it says. here's an example. when i talk to an atheist on youtube they often say something rude to me right off the bat, i ignore it, and we carry on with that out of the way. we go on to have a meaningful conversation, but it's almost like a little test. they find out my character, that i'm not going to go off or get bent out of shape/call names, but instead persevere.
weberly2 3 years ago
Does God have a huge plan for the Christians in Iraq?
I recommend you watch "Paul Washer Shocking Youth Message"
redmattuk 3 years ago
amen
LoveCryReason 3 years ago
Keep this up Karen!
Rob Bell is very, very dangerous!
redmattuk 3 years ago
Good theology right here. Rob Bell examines the Bible passage in light of the culture that it was spoken. This is how everyone back in 1st century B.C. from Christ's disciples to the Pharisees, would have understood it.
accquizzer 3 years ago
Effeminite nonsense, are there any MEN of God left in the Church?
12CY4U2 3 years ago
Right on brother! It's not a world of men...
pittedthighs 3 years ago
Rob Bell is right on with this interpretation, and of course people who abuse don't like the real meaning of what Jesus said ! John T
ironjohnlad 3 years ago
2nd Timothy 4:3: For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine, but they will heap up teachers to themselves according to their own lusts, tickling the ear.
Qrazii 3 years ago
Agreed. Complete crap....
SSPspaz 3 years ago
Jesus,..how many the ways to splitteth a hair.
crusty21 3 years ago
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isditso 3 years ago
true
weberly2 3 years ago
Agreed!
jmc15john 3 years ago 3
i definitely have to agree... 100%
sarahemusic 3 years ago 4
...with the fact that this is no where near theologically sound
sarahemusic 3 years ago 9
I'm sorry....what????
Do you have a scriptural reference for any of this nonsense you are talking about?
How about Born of Water and Spirit? Accepting is not even mentioned in scripture. Why so worried about going to heaven. How about Loving God? I'm Attacking your False Teaching. yes (Don't speak unless you know what your talking about.)
tongsau 3 years ago 2
There's nothing wrong with demanding good, Biblical doctrine be taught from the pulpit. It doesn't, unfortunately, sound like you ever got that from your pastor either. 'Invite Jesus into your heart' ? Is that even IN the Bible? Romans 10:9 does not say that. How about the Doctrine of Election? You think RB would ever teach that on Sunday morning?
pittedthighs 3 years ago
Doctrine cop? The heart can't be managed. Gal 2
tongsau 3 years ago
I am a doctrine cop because I actually read, study, and meditate on God's Word ( Psalm 1, Joshua 1:8, Psalm 119:97 )
I don't sit around and watch new age nooma videos and get spiritually fed.
pittedthighs 3 years ago 2
Amen brother
redmattuk 3 years ago
it shows up as you quoting me on my screen at least.
guywithapen 3 years ago
But Bell's teachings are false teachings. His focus isn't on salvation for the lost at all. Why? Because he doesn't think anyone's really in any trouble. It's important that, as Christians, we point these things out because, like Christ, we don't want people to be led astray. God desires all to be saved, and so should we. Bell's social gospel teachings aren't the way to go.
RaspberryIceT 3 years ago 3
Then what knowledge should people use? their own? The word of God is to be used for correction, for instruction...Wow it is so sad to see so many like followers of Bell instead of Jesus. Who's words are you going to believe?
rumblefishsophia 3 years ago
rob bell is tall
guywithapen 3 years ago 2
WHAT!?
bossmanham 3 years ago
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what a nut!!!
isaac407 3 years ago
Isn't is astounding the conversations that arise even amongst Christians as to what each verse means~
how truly capable each of us are to find common ground, lift one another up and in turn lift those around us.
A religion that is gentle to the soul~ 2000 years later
mimiburnsband 3 years ago
It is the message of self empowerment rather than the power of Christ living in us by his spirit that is wrong. The general misappropriation of scripture and entertaining rants combined with both fluffy and false doctrine. This ain't his worst teaching - it's in his books sex god and velvet elvis. Take what it's worth from the titles. I'm probably rehashing the same stuff i've been arguing.
andrewlace 4 years ago
I'm not suggesting he's said that. I'm saying that's what he said.
How can I take out of context something that he did not say (you then suggest I am twisting his words). Bell states that you don't have to believe the trinity, as an example. Can you please explain that away?
I'm quite confused to the extent that people go to to defend the writings of a fallen human being who defrauds the gospel of it's power.
andrewlace 4 years ago
Umm...why don't you have to believe in the trinity? Because its not a biblical concept...moron.
SourceCommunity 3 years ago
I like you conclusion. I'm wrong .. so I'm a moron. You might have to look in the Bible to prove that.
Fortunately you've proven my point. There are people who cannot accept that Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Three separate personalities in the one true deity. Jesus prayed, but never to himself. The spirit descended on Him as a dove. Google carm and trinitarian verses. Check it out. I think you'll find you're wrong.
andrewlace 3 years ago
well if you apply preacher cams expose
than no the trinity exsists soley out of nothing ness no context why the bible says god is 1
luvdady 3 years ago
the first bit of evidence is the hebrew word for God (pronounced 'Elohim' in english) is actually in plural tense, meaning more than one. God is more than one, in a state of oneness (if that makes sense). The trinity is a very biblical concept, its the word "trinity" itself that we created outselves to describe the concept.
beatshack 3 years ago
the labeling of some position as heresy implies the rejection of the legitimate religious authority in favor of some illegitimate authority.Rob Bell is for God not against.
phunkyn8bass 4 years ago
hmm it is passive. it is 'just take it' that's exactly what this verse means. Was Jesus passive on the cross? Was he led like a lamb to the slaughter passively?? yes. Did he 'just take it'? Yeah because He was humble and submitted to the protections and will of God. So should we be in my opinion. God Bless.
yiltrfrontline 4 years ago
Again "is no longer OK to be a simpleminded fundamentalist" what gives you the right to label any group simpleminded? The fact that you've read the book and that your friends are so involved in it means that you are no fair judge on what is right and wrong, and you should know better than to swallow poo. Now you turn to name calling. Looks like you can get a badge that says "I hate truth, faith in anything else is better." Think about it.
andrewlace 4 years ago
read the truth in Lev 11:9-12, we are all damned to hell unless we repent from the cultural depravity of red lobster, popeye's, and long john silvers.....
jimdawg185 4 years ago
It's obvious he attracts people who are not real students of scripture. I would not listen to anything he has to say. The truth absolute is what attracts all belivers to delve in the debths of Holy Writ. Scripture Alone, not 50 ways to have a better marriage, life,etc. God requres obedience. People these days are worshiping a made up god certainly not the God of the Bible.
RichNel1 4 years ago
Your assertions are insulting, rude, and unbiblical to say the least. It is arrogantly presumptuous for you to say that anyone that listens to him is not a student of the bible. I KNOW that I am a student of Scripture, and read Velvet Elvis and feel it was a positive experience for my faith. Does that mean I'm not a Christian?
drumladd 4 years ago
Means you may have missed John 14:6
andrewlace 4 years ago
Good work Rob, very brave:
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,... unholy,
...false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Read his books he attacks Biblical Christianity (by making false accusation) and is a huge proponent of self love rather than humble self denial.
andrewlace 4 years ago
you have no idea, he lives in the poorest part of the city, with his family, next to a crack house. he farts out more humility in his sleep than you will ever know (I hope im wrong though)....
jimdawg185 4 years ago
Wow that's great. I bet he never tells anyone where he lives either.
It takes great humility to live in a poor area.
It takes greater humility to make a point of it.
It takes a sucker to make the point on behalf of the person who sites their own poverty.
Do you know how most of the world lives?
You really associate humility with living next to a crack house?
Expousing self worth is not equal to humility, that is what Rob does best.
andrewlace 4 years ago
actually he rarely talks about it, (especially publicly) and I really was concerned about saying it just for the reasons you stated. But we are all different, and you preach the gospel your own way, bless you for that. But we are also different, and are blessed by the poor and oppressed that we engage and stand with. you sound angry, remember the one who angers you controls you.
Peace and mercy be with you, and remember, mercy triumphs over judgement.
and most of the world lives in poverty...
jimdawg185 4 years ago
I'm actually quoting the Bible (first quote you responded too). How can U assume that I have nothing to do with the poor (matthew 5)? Where did you get that idea from? You also assume that I am angry. I am concerned that people will follow a false teacher rather than the word of God. Jesus never taught self love, he taught self denial. Rob bell teaches being non-judgemental by judging those he considers judgemental. see 2 timothy 3 (quoted above). Always take the word of God over any man.
andrewlace 4 years ago
I apologize if I assumed anything not true. Bless you and any work you do for the marginalized. And please give me a quote from anything that he has written so that you can make your accusations clear. I can say that you have a tree growing out of your head, but it means nothing without something tangible so address.
jimdawg185 4 years ago
Read Sex God, that'll either make you confused or clarify the type of Gospel Mr Bell preaches.
Velvet elvis suggests it doesn't matter what you believe as long as you're "jumping" - i.e. believe that Jesus is God, repenting and believing.
Nooma Bullhorn guy suggests that not talking about sin is the answer. It cheapens the grace of God that Jesus offers through the cross.
He also states that heaven and hell are not literal places (I think that was sex god not velvet elvis).
andrewlace 4 years ago
those are still general statements that can easily taken outside there context and twisted. please be specific....
jimdawg185 4 years ago
If you were really serious about the book, you'd read it dude. I'm not going to go searching through my notes, the book to find every single quote. If you were sincere it would take you all of an hour to find just a few obvious heresies. I've read large portions of both. Watch the bullhorn guy video. I've told you where. Even just look at the names of the book - "Sex God" ... ???? Or are you too busy responding to my comments.
andrewlace 4 years ago
Nope, I have read all those books, My friend is the one who edits the nooma, and his sister plays most of the music on them. The real problem here is that you have taken the greek stencil of the gods, zeus hermes ect, and laid it over the text to come to your final decree on G-ds logos. I have come to the wisdom that G-d holds the patent on truth not us, and it is no longer OK to be a simpleminded fundamentalist, G-ds logos is a beautifully woven tapestry, it is evil to make it less...
jimdawg185 4 years ago
Judaism and most of the authors of Scripture ARE eastern in their thinking and culture....so why are you hinting that Rob is committing evil by looking at the text with an Eastern mindset?
drumladd 4 years ago
right on....the more I see of this guy,.the more I start to worry.
ageofgrace 4 years ago
Phillipians 2:6-8
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
That's not the Jesus we know Mr Bell
andrewlace 4 years ago
i've heard a full talk explaining this concept.. this clip doesn't explain it at all. it's set in the context of the time period and culture. try and find the rest of the talk before casting judgement.
CreamyPeach08 4 years ago
everyone is subjectively perceiving the objective. in your opinion, rob bell, is a false teacher. in my opinion, only God has the real understanding to make a judgement like that - perhaps you do not have the love in your heart to love your enemies? perhaps jesus' words trump paul's?
KMortimer07 4 years ago
Rob Bell is a false teacher. Watch out.
tbed63 4 years ago
i have no idea how Rob Bell decided what it means to turn the other cheek... Slap? Hit? isn't this just semantics? honestly.. turning the other cheek wasn't about shaming the other person... it was about humility and surrender.. please!
eMOtAsTIcCloWN 4 years ago
read anything by the linn brothers (matthew/dennis) and one of their wives (sheila) - but specifically "good goats:healing our image of god"
KMortimer07 4 years ago
Some background: according to Rob Bell, in Jesus' time, daily tasks were done with the right hand (hence shaking hands). The left hand was reserved for cleaning your body and was considered dirty because of this. So if anyone were to strike anyone, they would naturally use their right hand. A "slap" was done with the back of the right hand and was reserved usually for a master-slave relationship. So a man getting hit would be "slapped" on the right cheek.
diehappy96 4 years ago
If the man turned to the striker his left ("other") cheek, the striker could no longer "slap" with the back of his right hand, but would have to "hit" the man with the palm of his right hand, a strike which you would use for someone you considered an equal, a master-master relationship if you will.
diehappy96 4 years ago
I love rob bell because he speaks of a relationship with the creator, he is encouraging and edifying and not condemming. I believe he has a God given vision and enthusiasm for the modern church. apart from that i really do think it's ridiculous to make comment on such a small snippet of video.
peace,
J.
justinstereo 4 years ago
just suggest reading the Bible. Rob Bell suggests in his book velvet elvis that it does not matter what you believe, and he further states that God is unknowable and you cannot have a personal relationship with him. That truth is relative. If you find him encouraging that's nice, but I find him deceptive.
andrewlace 4 years ago
Youre being deceptive by misquoting his book. He does not it doesn't matter what you believe or that you can't have a personal relationship with God, he examines what it really means to live as Christ taught us to live. Everyone hears one little piece of what Rob Bell says and runs with it claiming its so against God and the Bible, but its not. He just states the fact that "personal relationship" is never mentioned in the Bible
majik89d 4 years ago 3
and that these words we give to describe and represent such an amazing thing God gives us, can sometimes limit our views and put this huge and immeasurable God into a box; God is love, and Rob Bell affirms all of the core Christian beliefs necessary for salvation and Gods plan in the beginning section of Velvet Elvis. Open your mind and let God be more than what we've been so used to seeing Him as. I pray that this whole discussion over Rob Bell doesn't put people off
majik89d 4 years ago
or make anyone who hasn't accepted Christ as their Savior any more likely to not see God's love. We all need to stop arguing, and just be like Christ, spreading God's love to all.
majik89d 4 years ago
You need to ensure that you are seeking out your own salvation with fear and trembling as the scripture exhorts, testing yourself to see if you are in the faith, rather than doing what you accuse others of which is arguing.
andrewlace 4 years ago
Actually Rob never mentions salvation from hell, God's mercy to save us from our sins, or God's provision for our forgiveness of sins on the cross, or the need of repentance.
He simply states that he believes in the trinity, but that it is not Biblical (liar!!!), he also affirms some other doctrines, but insists that these are merely negotiable, rather than determined by God.
andrewlace 4 years ago
You're being mislead by calling someone questioning this guys statements as deceptive. Suggest you show me how I'm misquoting him.
andrewlace 4 years ago
he is so amzing this is so cool
sparkymocha01 4 years ago
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Hebrews927 4 years ago
ingnorant to say otherwise?
you have to learn to test things out question even scripture... not because your thinking Gods word is "insufficient" but because God's word goes far deeper then our own understanding than what our mind can even grasp. God's word is absolute, isnt it also ignorant to think your capable of knowing what God's word is all about? I mean wheres you scritpure to back up ou opinion?
jhony7jhony 4 years ago 2
shaming the other person... but that doesn't make sense really. Turning the other cheek is a way of being humble, and accepting your punishment in a way. I think there are a few ways you can take this verse deeper, but I don't think what he illustrated here is one of those ways...
drummerboy97 4 years ago
Wow thanks everyone for your comments. Back in my comment about me thinking that he seems to have taken the passage out of context- I can get more specific. He seems to make it sound like the idea behind the verse that says "turn the other cheek also" has something to do with
drummerboy97 4 years ago
Biblical view of Love and today's Love is so different. Love is when Jesus didn't say a word when He could have called upon the Angels in heaven to stop what was going on. Love is when someone lays down their own self for another person. Love is not some muchy emotinal experience it is real caring, and sacrificial. And doing whatever for another person.
Shoots1978 4 years ago
Love Wins!
gratefulsoldier 4 years ago
Perspective: Please stop arguing. We're Christians. Maybe we should try some of that love your neighbor stuff. Instead of arguing over doctrine.
Mental Note: Mob1us, take own advice.
cbtslmob1us 4 years ago
jbohica, do you think the Bible arose from some Western society? let's not be silly, Christianity is an eastern religion co-opted by Westerners. Eastern philosophy? yes, you can find it in the Scriptural writings of Paul, Peter, et. al. by the way, you're probably influenced by Western post-Enlightenment philosophy, so which is "worse"?
thepriesthood 4 years ago 2
feanor+those who agree need to read his books. He has a much deeper/truer understanding of the Bible than many of the 'famous' evangelists and 'bible' teachers of the world.
He understand the contexts of the bible. And consequently has a very true picture.
'just preach the bible?'you can't even read the bible in it's original context, culture or even LANGUAGE!
I do agree that you shouldn't believe everything that everyone tells you (including your pastors).Not a Christian? Pffft. What say you?
randomcamels 4 years ago
and to "preach the bible" by your(assumed) definition, would be to only use the original manuscripts and read it word for word out loud, with no emphasis in speech, no inflection, nothing. because otherwise, it is a mans interpretation of what the original words state, and therefore it should then be considered heretical and wrong... by your standards, that is
mtrembl1 4 years ago
maybe if any of you actually listened to any of his speaking you would see the level of depth and study this man puts into what he teaches. "preach the bible" is to say that there is one simple way to understand what the bible is teaching. but that's impossible, otherwise "eternal security" would not be debated by theologians... cuz every side of the argument is completely scriptural, it just depends on the interpretation.
mtrembl1 4 years ago
Turn the other cheek to "shame the other person" very nice. How vengeful! I never understood the teaching of turn the other cheek and by doing that, you'll be heaping hot coals upon their head. Vengeful indeed. How about turn the other cheek because the other person DOESN'T deserve to be hurt???
MichaelTyler 4 years ago
I think your judgement is not plausible (maybe because this is a 60 second clip that doesn't even allow you to see the rest of his remarks on the subject), but it's clear he is not touting to shame the other person in a vengeful manner but a convicting one.
drumladd 4 years ago 2
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endingtheletter 4 years ago
I agree with feanor. preach the bible.
mattaebersold 4 years ago
Amen! If someone wants to be a guru, then they should stop pretending to be a Christian. He is obviously more interested in the teachings of Ken Wilber, so why doesn't he become a Wilberite? Perhaps then he would not be able to sell his 10 min videos for $12 each.
greekgoof 4 years ago
B) You can't just "preach the bible." It's ignorant thing to say. That's why there's more than 32,000 christian denominations today. Because everyone just "preaches the bible." If it was so easy to interpret, then we wouldn't need tens of thousands of different versions of Christianity, would we?
endingtheletter 4 years ago 4
Don't rip on rob. If you've heard the other things that go along with this you wouldn't be so quick to judge. There were a lot of sayings Jesus used that we don't understand because:
A) It's been over 2000 years and only now do we have the freedom of information that we can piece together some of the language and customs that were taken for granted at the time.
endingtheletter 4 years ago
feanor, you were right on the mark in those last sentences. I have friends that are like that.
Cton88 4 years ago
Thank God for Rob Bell.
dennisthemennis4 4 years ago
in what way does he take things out of context? he seriously knows his stuff.
byyours 4 years ago
against the system here is just referring to the fact that he's not teaching what the Bible says, of course no one has heard this thinking before, its because its his own thoughts, nothing to do with what the text is acctually saying. its sad that people latch on to his every word without checking it out against the Bible, which he seems not to do either.
feanor 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
rob has a knack for diluting Christ's teachings when he throws them way out of context like that. all he is doing is pulling a meaning thats not there it all, and people see it as revolutionary thinking. well of course no ones said it before, its not in the text! preach the Bible.
feanor 4 years ago
I think he's wrong, I think that verse is about humbling yourself, not shaming the other person.... I like Rob, but I think he got this one wrong.
drummerboy97 4 years ago
Craig, don't forget the little people now that you're a big "on-stage" famous guy!
jrrozko 4 years ago
More proof that the teaching of 'Christ' amounts to, whiny, empty crap basically.
OllieMugwump 4 years ago
Lucky! I wish I could've gone to something like that!!
gezusroxmasox 5 years ago
rob bell is such an amazing guy!
thegoatgirl 5 years ago