"3 Questions"

[kluber2]

Nice block

[kluber2]

Herby-

Another FACT for the uneducated. 9th and 10th also doesnt clearly prohibits, slavery by the states....so I guess we should bring back slavery....

Wow...what great reasoning u have...!

[herbs814]

You're a slave if you don't challenge the federal government's tyranny.

[kluber2]

Constitution also states CLEARLY...unlike what u say about it PROHIBITING HEALTHCARE- Govt can collect TAXES, something u stated as IMMORAL. Funny u want to be a Constitution "purists" yet u pick and choose what u want to believe in.

Also veterans health are managed by the Fed. so..again U wish to deprive our troops of benefits they deserve...? what a TRAITOROUS DOUCHE!

[herbs814]

Veterans deserve higher pay, not substandard government socialism disguised as "health care".

[kluber2]

Veterans do deserve higher pay....as high as the scumbag CEOs u fighting to protect.

So why dont the Corp. take care of our soldiers...like u say...maybe...b/c u live in a dream world.

[kluber2]

Herby-

Its been over a day and I am still waiting for u to tell me where in the US Constitution does it explicitly states the federal govt is PROHIBITED from managing health care...?

If I pretend ppl. who disagree w/ me r uneducated as u say.... it is b/c YOU ARE uneducated. Now go back and get ur elementary school certificate in civics.

[herbs814]

the ninth and tenth amendment explicitly forbid anything that is not specifically authorized elsewhere. the federal government is nowhere authorized to be involved in healthcare. that was NOT an oversight; it was INTENDED to keep the federal government AWAY from interfering with patient-doctor-clinic relationships. And more than two dozen states agree.

[kluber2]

9th and 10th doesnt state anything about healthcare.

Nor does it prohibit social sec. or medicare. So...why dont u ask the bastards that gave birth to a retard like u(if they still alive) to give back their benefits to the enemy..the govt. But I doubt they or anyone will do that.

[herbs814]

Government healthcare IS evil and IS unconstitutional, no matter how much you try to PRETEND otherwise. America will reject such tyranny. And the Demoncrats will suffer for even proposing it in the first place.

[kluber2]

herb-

It is clear and obvious, Constitution says no such thing on health care. The fact that we have S.S., medicare, VA benefits is a testament to the fact u know SHIT about the Constitution.

Also, by u trying to interpret 9th and 10th amendment as PROHIBITION of govt health care, shows u r totally warped in ur reasoning.

Cause by that reasoning, u would be in favor of states rights to exercise slavery.

[herbs814]

A majority of states agree that the federal government is overstepping its "authority" and will move to assert their sovereignty under just such an interpretation (the Founders' interpretation) of the ninth and tenth amendments. Demoncrats' tyrannical attempts to steal our liberty away will lead to a nationwide revolt against your excessively permissive view of federal power.

[kluber2]

It is ENTIRELY GOVT's FAULT for allowing a CEO/Corp. Executive to get in between you and your doctor.

[kluber2]

Hahaha....herb is such a "herb",....he actually sounds like a "lobbyist" for the Ins. Co. trying to influence public opinion on the net- all bought and paid for by the 21st century ver. of the Bourgeoisie.

He is right though...it is GOVTs FAULT some ppl. r w/o ins. Govt should have cracked down on these scumbag "railroad barons" decades ago.

Govt shouldnt have allowed these robber ins. co. to collect premiums and deny care when u get sick.

[herbs814]

Private healthcare is MORAL and government healthcare is IMMORAL. It's that simple. We will never allow government to steal our superior private healthcare. Never.

[kluber2]

@herbs814 -

What is so IMMORAL about govt paying for ur healthcare...?

What is so MORAL about a corporation doing it...?

What a "herb"

[videogeek27]

I think it's clear that our little herby friend is just another typical, useless internet troll. He probably doesn't have any friends or family that will give him attention in real life, so he goes on the internet blabbing his ridiculous garbage that is surely going to give him the attention he can't get anywhere else.

It's better to just sit back and laugh at these college drop outs while they entertain themselves at tea parties when they aren't reading conspiracy theories on the internet.

[herbs814]

Government can only "pay " for healthcare if it first STEALS that money from honest citizens. Therefore government healthcare is ALWAYS IMMORAL.

A corporation must SATISFY its customers. A corporation can only stay in business if the customer VOLUNTARILY chooses to do business with them. This means that private healthcare is necessarily moral.

[kluber2]

Herby-

ur truly a DOLT!

Govt is beholden to the ppl. Paying taxes is not IMMORAL. Govt monies r collected to provide for the general good and services of its citizens. That is VERY MORAL.

A corp. is ONLY beholden to its shareholders and PROFITS and now, we even see not to shareholders, but ONLY TO THE FEW TOP EXEC. in the Corp.

Corp. does ANYTHING for profit incl. IMMORAL decisions, but not always neccesarily breaking the law (which actually happens many times though.) therefore IMMORAL.

[herbs814]

Levying taxes on income is immoral.

Levying taxes on savings is immoral.

A corporation is more honest than government will ever be. Government is the enemy. Business is being persecuted by the corrupt government.

[kluber2]

herby-

Since taxes r immoral. Next time ur house is on fire, or someone is stalking ur daughter...call the CEO of United Healthcare for help.

Maybe u should also ask the CEO of Humana to build and maintain that bridge that connects ur city.

Ur beginning to sound like a "pamphlet".

[herbs814]

Since you clearly know nothing about American government, maybe you should read the Constitution. Learn about the difference between local government (police, fire) and federal government. Learn that federal government is FORBIDDEN from entering the healthcare market. Americans are standing up for their Constitutional rights. And only Marxist traitors would oppose lowering taxes.

[kluber2]

Oh..pls..tell me explicitly where in the Constitution does it states the federal govt is PROHIBITED from managing HEALTHCARE...?

Federal govt also is responsible for national security. Your Army, Marine, Navy....so...YOU R THE FUCKIN TRAITOR! You dont support our troops w/ taxes cause u say they r IMMORAL.

Go and ask Bernie Madoff and Dick Fuld to find Bin Laden. You TRAITOROUS DOUCHE!

Haha...lowering taxes for whom...the CEO who already raking in millions for a failing co on taxpayers back?

[kluber2]

herby-

U sound like one of those militia fags that is stock piling ammo in his basement for the "agents in black" coming fo ya during the apocalypse as for told by that fairy tale rebel jew - playing GI. Joe during the weekend, as though u never got out of grammer school.

I am surprised u inbreds can use the net.

[herbs814]

you sound like one of those arrogant thugs who like to PRETEND that anyone who disagrees with them must not be educated. Keep deluding yourself. You'll never understand how to connect with America. You'll never understand why the big government socialists are being thrown out of office in 2010.

[kluber2]

herby-

Hey u "herb" arent u suppose to tell me where in the US Constitution does it explicitly states the federal govt is PROHIBITED from managing HEALTHCARE...?

Or am I being to arrogant for asking u to back up statements...? or in ur case ur BULLSHIT.

Oh...lemme guess... I should connect w/ America by telling BULLSHIT....like u...? LOL

[kluber2]

What a bunch of BULLSHIT....govt's fault...blah...blah...blah....

TYRANNY is a fuckin GREEDY SCUMBAG CEO (aka the OLIGARCHS, FRENCH BOURGEOISIE, Russian TSARS ) that society overthrew 200 yrs ago for our Democracy- deciding who, when, and how they can take ur money and not providing any service when u get sick.

YOU SCUMBAG,... r a throwback to the SERFS protecting their lord b/c they gave u a big bread crumb for christmas. Damn DOLT.

[herbs814]

All tyranny comes from the government.

[kluber2]

LATEST POLL-

Reuters- 60% of Americans for public option.

[JoseTwitterFan]

So far the only reaction from congress and nonpartisan fact checking websites is YES!!!

YES to better American healthcare!

NO to insurance monopolies & ProfitCare(Also known as Rick Scott's corrupt healthcare plan!)!

[herbs814]

GOVERNMENT is to blame for the monopolization of healthcare. Private enterprise is the only way to better healhcare.

[videogeek27]

You really are clueless as to what is going on in reality if you think private corporations "always provide" health care. Health insurance companies have no obligation or motivation to cover people with pre-existing conditions, that's why they won't cover them.

You probably aren't even old enough to buy your own health insurance and that's why you don't know what you're talking about. Or you are a troll, which is it?

[herbs814]

Health insurance companies will cover anyone and everyone for whom they are allowed to charge a reasonable rate. It is entirely government's fault that they are restricted from charging a reasonable rate. It is entirely government's fault that anyone is without insurance.

Insurance companies are the ones who provide care. Government does nothing but get in the way.

[videogeek27]

herbs - Why don't you test out your own theory of how health insurance companies will cover "anyone and everyone". Start by laying out in the sun all day until you get skin cancer, then try buying health insurance and see if anybody will cover you. Good luck ;)

[herbs814]

Start by taking responsibility for your health. Then you won't have to steal your healthcare from those who have been responsible.

[buddy34]

11/26/09

Rasmussen reported that only 38% of voters support the healthcare bill proposed by Obama and Democrats in Congress. That is the lowest level of support for the bill after almost two dozen polls conducted since this summer. Half of the survey had been conducted before the motion to proceed on Obamacare in the Senate on Saturday evening. Rasmussen reported that support for the plan was even lower after the Senate vote passed.

[buddy34]

The current version will give billions of dollars of taxpayer healthcare benefits to ILLEGAL ALIENS in America. It would allow illegal aliens to use the new healthcare "exchange" and would not require verification to keep illegal aliens out of the other parts of the proposed federal healthcare system.

[buddy34]

OBAMA LIE:  "The claim, made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens, such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple."

[buddy34]

THE TRUTH: Mandatory "end of life" counseling in HR 3200 "shall" include counseling every 5 years to the elderly, giving doctors a monetary incentive to persuade you to sign a "do not resuscitate" (DNR) order to pull the plug, just like the Obama administration already pressures all Veterans to sign them. DO NOT sign Obama's DNR order, even if your doctor gets a bonus check from Obama for talking you into that.

[buddy34]

Under the British NHS government-run health plan, "Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned." (The Daily Telegraph, 2 Sep 09). Dr. Ewing Cook admitted intentionally killing patients who signed DNR authorizations. "I gave her medicine so I could get rid of her fastertheres no question I hastened her demise."

[buddy34]

The CBO estimates that H.R. 3962, the health bill that the House passed, would cost $1.2 TRILLION over 10 years, including the cost to states for mandated Medicaid expansion ($34 billion), the "Doc Fix" ($245 billion), and authorized discretionary spending for grants, public programs, changes and funding for a variety of agencies that would be responsible for implementing H.R. 3962.

[buddy34]

The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent research institution that examines the impact of immigration on the United States. GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE would benefit 6.6 Million Illegals and cost taxpayers up to $31 Billion. Over 83% of Americans say proof of citizenship should be required to get government health aid.

[buddy34]

Reid's Senate version of ObamaCare calls for:

*Hiding the $1.8 Trillion price tag by not accounting for actual costs.

*Major reductions in Medicare benefits to seniors.

*Major Tax Increases on every American to pay for it all.

*Reid called for increasing the Medicare payroll tax.

[buddy34]

OBAMA LIE: "If you lose your job or change your job, you will be able to get coverage."

THE TRUTH: Whether working or not, rich or poor, you will be ordered to get mandatory government-run health-care coverage, or pay a fine, a $3800 fine per family, under the new Senate plan being railroaded through the finance committee by Max Baucus (D-MT). Obama pretends you're "able" to get coverage, when he knows it's mandatory (with a big tax increase or "fine" penalty). Obama lied.

[buddy34]

OBAMA LIE: "No federal dollars will be used to fund abortions."

THE TRUTH: The Capps Amendment to HR 3200 has a Section 4B that reads: "Abortions for Which Public Funding Is Allowed. The services described in this subparagraph are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is permitted." Despite what Obama said, the House bill would allow abortions to be covered by a federal plan & by federally subsidized private plans.

[hauskalainen]

Herbs814.

Have you remembered to take your medication?

Nobody is taking away anyone's right to private health care! The bill just gives you an option to buy insurance from the government.

Personally I'd sooner buy my insurance from the government, but nobody is taking away your right to private health care.

In England we have private hospitals and private insurance but most people choose to be insured by the NHS which insures you regardless of health status or age.

[kluber2]

God given right to pvt health care....? WTF does god have to do w/ anything? We live in a SECULAR society- thank god,santa, zeus, space aliens...etc. for that.

If u dont want govt health care, then dont use it. Buy it from the Oligarchs/aristocrats (Insurance CEO's). I am sure they will give u a VERY, VERY good deal- afterwards I have a nice bridge to sell u...hardly used and cheap too. LOL.....imbecile.

[hauskalainen]

Scary video. NOT!!

The public option will give people a new choice. Not remove choice. A choice of an insurer that does not profit from peoples' concerns about ill-health. Everyone knows that the private insurers take more and more and yet seek to avoid paying out for health care coverage as much as they can. That's why the insurers are behind these ads.

The bills before Congress ADD choice, not remove it!

[kgarbato]

Um, one of my "Congressmen" is actually a woman. They do let women work outside of the home now, you know.

[herbs814]

the plural of men and women is still "men". you might have learned that in school if you weren't indoctrinated with grievance hypersensitivity all the time.

[bigbrotherhal9000]

Idiots. Any decent conservative would surely know that nearly all Private Insurers cover abortion. The government option would not cover any elective procedures. It also would not make you change your doctor. Nobody can guarantee rationing won't happen. Look at what happened to gasoline in the 70's.

[videogeek27]

If the private health industry spent as much money on providing care as they do on misleading advertisements and pills to make grandpa's dick hard then nobody would be asking for reform in the first place.

Fuck the public option, that doesn't go far enough!

[bigbrotherhal9000]

Right on dude!

[herbs814]

The government "option" is government tyranny. Any government "option" goes too far. ANY government "option" is unacceptable.

[RarewareLover]

Whew, it's a good thing that any Congressman who understands the public option knows that the answers are yes thrice.

[herbs814]

Any congressman who understands the government "option" knows that all three answers are NO. Government "option" leaves Americans with less. Only the bureaucrats and cronies get more... at our expense.

[RarewareLover]

How can an option leave anyone with less healthcare? It's optional by nature and definition. 

Call me a radical, but this is a government program I wouldn't mind paying taxes for. I see this having much more practicality than a wild goose hunt in Afghanistan.

[herbs814]

The government "option" STEALS from the honest and productive, leaving the honest and productive with less incentive to produce and lift up living standards for all.

National defense is a responsibility of the federal government. Intrusion into private decisions like healthcare is NOT.

[RarewareLover]

Taxes aren't theft. You might not like some of them, but when you live in a democracy and the majority supports a certain program (i.e. support for the public option ranging from 55%-80% in different polls) you have to go with what's best for your country. I don't believe in too many socialistic policies, but I also don't believe in a trickle-down theory.

Ensuring the life of citizens is directly out of the Constitution, even when the threat is not another human.

[herbs814]

Any taxes that go for programs not explicitly authorized by the Constitution are theft. Any spending by the federal government on healthcare is theft.

The majority of people oppose the government "option" (in any reliable poll) and oppose the entire bill. A plurality of Americans when given the choice between the Dem bill and NO BILL, prefer no bill.

The private sector protects the life and health of citizens better than the corrupt parasitic government ever will. Government is the problem.

[kluber2]

Private sector protecting life and health...hahaha...! That is like trusting the Bernie Madoff's, Angelo Mozilla, Dick Fuld...with paying for ur health.

Greed is the problem...NOT GOVERNMENT. Democracy and our Govt is the instrument of the people (the masses) It exists to bring fairness and bring a level playing field- to keep the scumbag greedy fuck elites, like the ppl. I mentioned from turning our country into a throw back to pre-French Revolution France n the aristocracy.

[herbs814]

Government is the most dangerous source of greed. Government is always more dangerous and more tyrannical than the private sector. Private enterprise is ALWAYS more trustworthy than government. ALWAYS.

[videogeek27]

Looks like another paranoid troll has taken a break from the Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly show to help lobbyists slow progress in this country.

[herbs814]

The lobbyists are the ones pushing this tyrannical bill. Progress will only be made when the government is pushed OUT OF HEALTH CARE.

[videogeek27]

Oh yes, the tyranny, because nothing says tyranny like health care!

fucking retards lol

[herbs814]

Congress stealing our property through taxation and stealing our God-given right to PRIVATE healthcare is absolutely tyrannical. Dems who support Obamacare are putting their career at risk.

[videogeek27]

God given right to private health care? And what happens when you have no access to private health care because those private companies decide you are too much of a risk to cover? Or did you think that far ahead before rambling?

Private health care doesn't come from god, it comes from corporations that could care less about any rights you think you have. I'm with

hauskalainen, take your meds already.

[herbs814]

Liberty and private property are inalienable rights. Therefore, private enterprise is an inalienable right. Therefore, private healthcare is our right. And for government to do anything to interfere with private healthcare is tyrannical and unjustified.

It is always and everywhere GOVERNMENT's fault that anyone is without access to private insurance or private healthcare. The private market always provides. It is only government that interferes and takes away.

[RawFoodKevin]

Will your private health insurance guarantee:

1.) Your premiums will not go through the roof if you have a claim.

NO!

2.) Your insurance won't be canceled if you have a claim.

NO!

3.) You won't be denied proper care.

NO!

WE HAVE MET THE DEATH PANELS AND THEY ARE THE PRIVATE INSURERS!

[kluber2]

Funny hauskalainen I asked the same 3 questions about my pvt health ins. co and the answer was

1. Keep my own Dr.- NO

2. Guarantee I keep the ins. i have now- MAYBE

3 Guarantee I wont face health care rationing-

100% NO. This is from personal exp.- I was limited to 6 sessions of physical therapy...(RATIONING BY A CORP.EXEC.)

However my parents on Medicare- YES to all 3

Interesting...wasnt C4Patients...suppose to help u think to oppose reform..?

[hauskalainen]

Hmm I tried asking myself the same 3 questions question about Medicare on which the Public Option is based and the answers were broadly yes, yes, and yes.

Then I asked myself what answers I'd give for one of the private HMOs and the answers I came up with were maybe, maybe and maybe.

Interesting idea. Thanks for making me think about that.

[salebowwow]

How about the fact it is unconstitutional and against the LAW. Since the Constitution is the LAW and it is against the Constitution it is against the LAW.

[RawFoodKevin]

If the public option is unconstitutional, and it's not, then why do we have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, student loans and grants, and the hundreds of other U.S. government run programs?