Don't know how, but glad all are okay... In that situation, everything happens so fast that you haven't time to be scared or indeed think, before it's all over.
Looks as though there was little to no time to enter a proper auto. What was your airspeed and altitude? Looks to be about 50 feet AGL. That dead man's curve can be a bitch.
Hold up, don't the propellers help a flyer guide his way down incase the engine does fail? That's why the propellers are slightly angled downward, so it can help the pilots land safer if the engine does fail...? That seems really unlucky for those pilots, glad noone was hurt.
@Kurmuh rotors not propellers? and if you look up "autorotation" you can find out what the pilot did here, and what pilots usually do if an engine fails:)
this is what we call a "dead stick" landing. when faced with an emergency and you have no power you have no time and few choices. make the wrong one and your dead.
Damn that sucks.. Not enough altitude for full autorotation? Either way, the pilot did a good job.. Anything you can walk away from is a good landing : )
it sounds like an auto did not happen , and the machine hit hard . as the vid shows it was on its side , and you could here the disk lowering in speed rapidly ,
and spin the rotors up for maximum inertia so when pulling pitch to cushion the landing, the pilot has control for as long (!?! three seconds max if you're lucky) as possible. Incidentally, the pilot in the clip must be lowtime as I estimate plenty of time and height to land safely.....but you'd have to muscle it !!
@randommagnum.. the rotor is always disengaged except when the engine is powering it up. proceedure? pitch lever fully down, as much right pedal as you need to keep her straight and get 60kts (ideal) or 90kts if you need distance to reach a safe landing site......correcting rotor rpm overspeed with a little up 'collective' lever to increase pitch and therefore slow the rotor rpm...all the way down til you can identify individual blades of grass then pull the nose high (flare) to slow the ship
So I have no idea about helicopters, but I heard this one term called the vertical tunnel or "broom closet" once. What is a "broom closet" and what is inside of it. Any answers from anyone who might know what I am referring to on a 206b?
@adamsb33 In some of the Bell Series machines, it is a structure with control rods inside rising up between the pilot and co-pilot seats which can block the rear seat passengers' view.
@adamsb33 Not all helicopters are the same but the few i work on there is a big door right behing the cockpit behind the pilots looks kinda like the door from a small broom closet its is an access panel for us to work on flight controls.
@randommagnum It would have led to a better opportunity for the pilot to complete a SMOOTHER and SAFER emergency procedure. I've practiced engine failures from three thousand feet, TRUST ME they are easier to deal with when you have time to react and prepare for impact rather than being low, fast and screwed.
@RedDevilPilot What do you do when you have an engine failure at high altitude? I mean I would assume that you gyro down, but what's the procedure? Do you have to disengage the rotor?
Wish I could see the instrument panel, it looks like he was going about 50-60kts? at the time of the failure, it looks like he was able to get the collective down in time for a partial Auto, but his rate of descent and initial deceleration was not enough to slow him down, its all about chapters 5 and 9 at that point, and how well you as a pilot are versed for an emergency like that.
I'm not sure, but i think this crash was due to contaminated fuel, i could be mistaken but i think there is a comment somewhere about this. Congrats to the pilot for doing the best auto rotation he could and got to the ground with all passengers surviving. Could have been a lot worse!.
@diggerdrum ... I read the report, sabotage was suspected. The fuel had traces of soil inside and the refilling port also showed some soil around the opening.
He shouldn't have been so far off the ground while inside the H/V curve - it's a long way to fall! The manual is abundantly clear on this, but pilots just seem to lurrrrve doing it. A mistake he will get another chance not to repeat - this time!
As a helicopter pilot we are always paranoid about the slightest possibility of an engine failure. We train for autorotations in all stages of flight, hovering and straight and level. This pilot was accelerating through the Height/Velocity Curve for that aircraft. The engine failure occurred inside this curve which tells us that the pilot did an AMAZING job landing if ALL SURVIVED. Focus on that and leave the flying to us "rated" pilots.
@RedDevilPilot You're being ridiculous. Don't you know flight simulator pilots know far more than we do about our aircraft?? They have "thousands" of "virtual" hours. his makes them experts! We should listen to them if we want to live. Yes this was sarasm. It's amazing how much people THINK they know.
@RedDevilPilot Agreed, he did a great job! Thats about the worst place to be when your engine fails beside an MP Take off or a steep confined space landing. Always thinking about an out but sometimes you dont have anywhere to go. We just minimize as much risk as possible.
"Footprints led from the tire tracks to a small pile of orange-colored dirt and back to the helipad. Suspecting the helicopter may have been sabotaged, the pilot contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). WTF
I think some of you are camparing apples to oranges. I would rather be in a small airplane with engine loss anyday. The odds are better of suriving that than a helicopter autorotation, look it up, it's not my opinion it's a fact. I was in the army for a long time and flew on many helicopters and I'm a fixed wing pilot as well. Now, on the other hand I would never want to be on a big airliner without engine power, would take autorotation any day.
One more thing...watch " 26 Turn Flat Spin in a Tipsy Nipper". I won't give the ending away, but it gave me goosebumps to watch. Piloting is one of those things that is fun, until suddenly you're in a world of shit where if you do everything exactly right, right NOW, then MAYBE you'll survive. It's worse than a car crash, because it often lasts so much longer...like loosing your trucks brakes coming down a steep mountain. Probably feels pretty good when it's over, as long as it turns out okay.
Ok...I am a helicopter and fixed wing instructor with thousands of hours in each. The answer to anyones question about Altitude is our friend. Yes this is true with one critical exception. Your speed has a huge factor in an Auto Rotation. If you are anything less than 500AGL and less than 65kts you risk a chance in not being able to complete and safe and normal auto rotation. The HVD is there for a reason and should be followed to the (T).
If you follow rstingrayNY's link to the investigation, the pilot suspects it was sabatage due to dirt on the inside of the fuel tank being consitent with dirt at the heliport, not the crash site and there were tire tracks in the snow . Read the report and draw your own conclusions.
The heli had forward speed at only 50-70 ft of altitude wo while the pilot was very quick to autorotate, the heli landed hard with speed and therefore rolled over.
Helicopter autorotate ForTheFS, learn something about them before you speak. He either performed the autorotation in correctly or didnt have the altitude to perform it.
what would be nice if they put in a humongous parachute neasr the main blade on top, and the energency button in the cab, so when the engine fails, the pilot or copilot hits the button, it releases the 2 or 4 blades on the main rotors and ejects the parachute and comes down safety, just a thought :)
Helicopters glide too buddy. You should go read up on how helicopters work. Its called an autorotation son. If your proficient in doing autos and you always do good re-currency training, flying a helicopter is very safe. In fact the helicopter that crashed in this video held the record for being the safest single engine aircraft (fixed wing & helicopter) for many years and might still to this day "Bell 206 Jetranger". The engine failure in this video happened at a pretty bad time.
there is a way to land a helicopter in a case of a engine failure, its sometung about angling to the chopper blades a certain direction and forcing it into a dive which will cause the rotors to spin which will provide some lift and slow the aircarfft down then you magically pull up the helicopter completely stalling it above he ground , this will break the speed in mid air and will cause the aircraft to land
@zoro547 It's called "Autorotation" and it takes precision and skill to conduct them. It allows a allows a controlled descent to an emergency landing in case of powerplant failure. The Main Rotors are used and skilled changes to the collective and cyclic pitch are necessary during the maneuver to manage the energy of the rotor and the airspeed of the craft
@LinuxOwnsYou Actually each blade on a helicopter is and airfoil, the circular motion of the blades allow each "wing" to achieve a much greater velocity, creating a huge amount of lift. The pitched blades beating off the air provides a small amount of lift, but that is far from the primary source. Helicopters are also much safer than fixed wing aircraft in the event of an engine failure.
Props to the pilot. He and his pax survived. He caught his yaw rate, flared best he could and used every bit of energy he had left before he balled up. Helis' are unforgiving but safe none the less. Thanks for posting the video.
Wolf: You have to put the pole to auto,and if you put your ear to the audio you can hear the LOW ROTOR horn all the way down,no RPM left when they hit the ground ,good to hear people are ok but pilot kinda froze up!!
He said, she said..... Understand that accidents due to vandalism get a whole different pay out and it's a common claim. If any of this were true, the NSTB and the FAA would be all over it, but apparently the evidence didn't stack up or the FBI would have gotten involved. Also, pilot changed his story and came up with interesting evidence after the fact....
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someone should really do something about helicopters. i like them but failures like this means loss of life. comparing that to the planes, they can still glide in the air and could make at least soft landing than this.
Please don't dash something you don't understand. Helicopters can autorotate to a much smaller area and land with a much slower speed than fixed wing if the engine quits. An engine failure in a helicopter is statistically much safer than one in an airplane.
@ForTheFS Helicopters can glide aswell... it's called auto-rotation... preformed smothly it can be as good as any landing... in this case he was just too low... but still mad quiet a good landing... :o) thumbs up to the pilot...
@ForTheFS watch a few videos of an autorotation. It is very possible to land when the engine fails. Each helicopter has a heigh/velocity diagram that should be used when taking off and conducting operations that allows for a safe autorotation to be performed. I've had an engine failure in a helicopter and am still here to tell the tale without any damage to the helicopter.
@ForTheFS "someone should really do something about this" lol sorry but comes across that helicopter manufacturers aren't bothered ha ha ha. Just for reference Helicopters are designed to glide upon engine failure too
@ForTheFS~ being able to glide doesnt mean shit if u havnt got a runway to land on!!..... and only under very specific circumstances can u "glide" a plane to a decent landing. It also depends on the plane.
@ForTheFS You can also glide with the helicopter after engine failure if the pilot is not flying so fast, so close to the ground. They would have made a perfect autorotation landing had they been higher up.
@ForTheFS > Helicopters can actually autorotate. They can land in a small back yard when engine failure happens. Planes need a runway and would have done the same thing. Not enough altitude and air speed. I say he did pretty well. It could have been a lot worse.
Helicopters can make similar. This is called autorotation.
Helicopter fall down and the main rotor is distended through wind.
Near the ground, the man pulls the rudder, helicopter slows and lands.
This helicopter was too deep. Nevertheless, the crew survived without serious injury. Aircraft have greater death rates in emergency landing as a helicopter. Because they need a runway for emergency landing, which Heli dont need.
@ForTheFS 110% of the time I'd rather be in a helicopter than a plane during an engine failure. As Heliguy stated, please learn you facts before commenting.
At high enough altitude, autoroation can be applied to glide a helicopter to a relatively safe landing at an event of engine failure.... though the pilot would only have few seconds to react or the heli can't be recovered...
At high enough altitude, autoroation can be applied to glide a helicopter to a relatively safe landing at an event of engine failure.... though the pilot would only have few seconds to react or the heli can't be recovered...
@ForTheFS i'm not sure how familiar you are w/ helo's (i'm a Fixed wing pilot) but they CAN auto rotate it safely. They do engine out procedures. But low altitude just after take off regardless of what you are in your options are limited. As the guy said "altitude is our friend"
@ForTheFS LOL, I won't explain autorotation to you again...already done. I used to think the same thing until a few years ago, that if a choppers engine died, it'd just fall. When I found out I was wrong, I was annoyed that I hadn't thought of that earlier. So yeah, airplanes are probably more dangerous than choppers, but there's really not that much difference in any case. If the engine dies, you had better think quick.
@ForTheFS you or retarded, helicopters usaly have a greater power off gliding range then most aircraft, Autorotation is usually less then a 2000 ft/pm,
While you have less time to react in a rotary aircraft, engine failures do not mean loss of life. Pilots are trained over and over for engine failures, and if the pilot reacts in time can enter into an autorotation and safely land the aircraft.
In this instance, the pilot did well to ensure the survival of the occupants. He was low, but atleast he had sufficient airspeed to generate a survival landing.
@ForTheFS Do you realize that helicopters can autorotate. Look it up. Any aircraft with not enough airspeed and altitude will not just glide to the ground.
@manysticks well the helo can't exactly pick a small space....they kind of need an open stretch to glide down into. their ability to strategically manoevreinto small spaces goes with the engine power
@manysticks very interesting. I don't have any kind of practical rotary experience other than pax so couldn't comment beyond theory.Wow I bet you guys have some interesting stories/experiences, thanks for your insight.
yeah, but as you can see in this video auto rotate is not an option when at a low height. You need upward air pressure to build up rpm to make a soft auto rotated landing.
@manysticks i agree to a point, i mean i this helo was alot higher then it was i dont think its passengers would have been so lucky, that thing fell pretty fast
@SaGalv If the helo had been a lot higher the pilot would have been able to start auto-rotation procedures and executed a controlled no-engine landing.
@manysticks a plane is able to glide long distances in order to do a safe landing though since they are flown in higher altitudes it gives high chance to even fix the problem or partially fix it to continue operating. when you think about these as well planes have a higher chance (in an engine failure just like the helicopter in this case) to either find a flat area or even an aerodrome to conduct an emergency landing
@manysticks unkless your flying a microlight which has 1:6 glide and can touch down with a stall speed of 40mph... in which case your options are very good. Helicopter blade problems are the things that scare me most, not the engine failing.
@manysticks And you know this because you play flight simulator..... Shut the fuck up and stop acting like you know what your talking about. Get a real rating and then you can come back and make comments.
@manysticks lol, good luck to you then! hehe. Im not saying I know much about choppers. But lets face it, what is supporting a heli if the engine goes? Nothing. If a plane loses an engine, it can glide for some distance, and that means time to look for a spot to land. So thats a big call saying someone would rather be in a heli. Auto-rotate or not. Physics always wins. Even an airliner, from its cruising altitude can glide for hundreds of kms if all engines failed. Look that up yourself :)
@manysticks WOW, this is the most stupid conversation I've ever heard!!! An aircraft with FIXED WINGS is worse off than a heli? Mate, the only way the rotor can act as a wing is if it is rotating FAST. even then it would hardly act as a chute. Why is it that not one video, or account of an engine failure at alititude exists where anyone has survived. The minute those rotors stop, it DROPS. there is no other way. Its plain physics. I take flying lessons practicing engine-out landings...
@jlebesis if you still dont believe heli's can land with no engines after everyone makes fun of you for the next year, I will be glad to take you to 3,000 ft agl and have you cut the engines and then Ill even let you pick a small lz for us to land on, Im guessing that I have performed this at least a few hundred times, you could save yourself the humiliation and change your argument to "unable to land without a rotor" cause yes if you lose your rotor your screwed
@atrain910 I understand your argument, and thankyou for clarifying. Please understand, I never said my personal opinion was educated, but my friends' who is an army heli pilot. He flies Blackhawks in the Australian Army. Maybe its different for certain types of choppers, but he tell me the Hawk is such a heavy chopper that losing power is disastrous. I perhaps should have clarified. .Thanks for giving an informed opinion on the matter. Much appreciated.
@jlebesis .... so dont tell me what would glide. And my sister has had chopper training in the Australian Army. Fuck me, sorry Im ranting on, but i've never heard such nonsense in my life. I fucking glide planes to a landing as part of my training. Why dont chopper pilots do that then? Funny how I know friends who have been flying choppers for more than 15 years, and even they say...they just pray to god they never have a failure..or theyre fucked. Period.
@jlebesis you just made yourself look like an uneducated fool with that comment.... helicopters can easily land with engine failure.... the blades pitch in a fashion while falling through the sky to increase the rpm of the rotor, the pilot then uses that one last build up of rpm to create lift before hitting the ground and 9 out of 10 times is soft enough to have little to no damage, the pilot of this video did not have much altitude to work with
@manysticks Difference is a helicopter gives you less thinking time with a sink rate in excess of 2000 fpm, and if you screw up you can in fact end up falling like a rock. Not saying that you cant screw up in an airplane too, but it is most of the time easier to get out of. Luckily both categories of pilots train for such incidents, but never the less, an engine out at 500 feet agl is not a laughing matter with over 2000 fpm decent.
@manysticks Not if the only useable field was 2 X Alt. away LOL. You'd be surprised how little room airplanes need. There is no clear survival advantage in rotary wing aircraft.
@ForTheFS Ever heard of an autorotation? Helicopters can land just like an airplane with an engine failure, this guy just didn't have enough altitude to do it properly.
@MatthewMarshall1 not if you're a good pilot with lots of hours and training, my grandad was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam, he was shot down twice and went down twice from mechanical failures, he told me that you first instinctive reaction is to slam the collective into the floor.
@ForTheFS Helicopters can glide back to the ground...that is a common misconception, just to a lesser degree than airplanes. They can lower the pitch of the blades so that they use the air rushing up from the decent to pick up RPM. When approaching the ground they increase the pitch of the blades, increase the lift, and can usually land in a manner that saves everyone on board. The maneuver is called an auto-rotation.They are more dangerous but can glide back safely, under most conditions.
@ForTheFS actually, helicopters can make a soft landing if they lose an engine, it's called autorotation. In autorotation, when the engine is lost, the pilot puts the collective on the floor and that causes the pitch of the blades to go flat or parallel with the earth, so that the rotor RPM stays normal while the engine RPM goes down, then when the pilot is close to the ground, he will gradually pull collective and flare the aircraft, slowing it down, therefore making a safe landing.
@ForTheFS copters can autorotate and are much safer than planes (way more helicopter crashes are survivable than plane crashes). Most helicopter pilots can safely autorotate into a very small space and land safely. planes need runways, highways, extremely large fileds. This guy had a hard landing because he did not have enough altitude.
@embominator : I spend my working life in them, under them and around them and can say that they are safer than road vehicles and safer than a plane.
Done hundreds of hours in them and apart from one heavy landing due to a connection detaching from the engine (caused power down) at 10 feet, I still find them exhileraing. The helicopter (AS350) was fine but our gyrostabilised film camera was damaged.
WOW!! That's awful that there is suspicion to believe foul play. Why on earth would anyone have reason to sabotage a heli-sightseeing company though! the owner even stated this, "slandered, vandalized, and threatened with death." For WHAT??? it makes no sense!
Don't know how, but glad all are okay... In that situation, everything happens so fast that you haven't time to be scared or indeed think, before it's all over.
davetherave7 3 months ago
It sucks to fly on something that can't glide without engine.
hcarvalhoalves 3 months ago
Dumb ass took the key out while it was running.
RayWiIIiamsJohnsons 4 months ago
@RayWiIIiamsJohnsons hahahahaha LMAO!
udipugar 4 months ago
im scared as that happen you fall out of the sky you think your gonna die
alecdepalect 5 months ago
Looks as though there was little to no time to enter a proper auto. What was your airspeed and altitude? Looks to be about 50 feet AGL. That dead man's curve can be a bitch.
CrazyHeliDude 5 months ago
"everybody okay?" He's a boss! Id be like HOLY F*CK WHAT THE F*CK I 'M PRETTY SURE I JUST POOPED
DiamondPilotDan 5 months ago 2
please update the NTSB link? they re-did their website and the link failed :( and i really wanna read the report
DiamondPilotDan 5 months ago
@DiamondPilotDan I just included the narrative of the accident report in the video description. Thanks for the heads up on the NTSB link.
rstingrayNY 5 months ago
@rstingrayNY thank you<3
DiamondPilotDan 5 months ago
THAT'S WHY I HATE HELICOPTERS!!ΓΙΑΥΤΟ ΜΙΣΩ ΤΑ ΕΛΙΚΟΠΤΕΡΑ
tubelamar 5 months ago
Hold up, don't the propellers help a flyer guide his way down incase the engine does fail? That's why the propellers are slightly angled downward, so it can help the pilots land safer if the engine does fail...? That seems really unlucky for those pilots, glad noone was hurt.
Kurmuh 5 months ago
@Kurmuh rotors not propellers? and if you look up "autorotation" you can find out what the pilot did here, and what pilots usually do if an engine fails:)
DiamondPilotDan 5 months ago
this is what we call a "dead stick" landing. when faced with an emergency and you have no power you have no time and few choices. make the wrong one and your dead.
highlo3517 5 months ago
Damn that sucks.. Not enough altitude for full autorotation? Either way, the pilot did a good job.. Anything you can walk away from is a good landing : )
bliglum 6 months ago
how is nobody like " OH FUCK" falling out of the sky
tofeandrice5150 6 months ago 7
@tofeandrice5150 I would have been fucking freaking out. just like shit were going down. fuuuuck. thats an appropriate reaction.
madskillzj 6 months ago
Transformers robots in disguise!
blunty6feetunder 6 months ago
lol the camer shit the bed there at the end lol :)
basakwards 7 months ago
Well that took care of that trip.
thresher4 8 months ago
Hmmm, pilot suspects sabotage. Quite interesting.
HunterPilot24 8 months ago
*rotor engine....studder........BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPP*
hm....
*helo decends*
hmmmmm....
*smashes into the ground*
Everyone okay????
-nah,
mikethenascarfan 9 months ago
it sounds like an auto did not happen , and the machine hit hard . as the vid shows it was on its side , and you could here the disk lowering in speed rapidly ,
kz4506 9 months ago
OMG DID THEY DIED
comcfi 9 months ago
Had I been along for the ride I do believe I would have shat myself.
420Nitroman 9 months ago
its nice to see that they where so calm when they was going down :P
ChriisoX 10 months ago
this sound is the low rotor RPM with the colletive up
bruno600 10 months ago
and spin the rotors up for maximum inertia so when pulling pitch to cushion the landing, the pilot has control for as long (!?! three seconds max if you're lucky) as possible. Incidentally, the pilot in the clip must be lowtime as I estimate plenty of time and height to land safely.....but you'd have to muscle it !!
casinosquare1 10 months ago
@randommagnum.. the rotor is always disengaged except when the engine is powering it up. proceedure? pitch lever fully down, as much right pedal as you need to keep her straight and get 60kts (ideal) or 90kts if you need distance to reach a safe landing site......correcting rotor rpm overspeed with a little up 'collective' lever to increase pitch and therefore slow the rotor rpm...all the way down til you can identify individual blades of grass then pull the nose high (flare) to slow the ship
casinosquare1 10 months ago
holy fuck read the report the pilot thinks he was sabotaged. creepy
bretatvs 10 months ago
Might be a good idea to keep that fuel tank under lock and key. i guess someone dosent like the pilot
gardnerbm 10 months ago
WHO BROKE THE CAMERA CCD!!!!
escobar12levi 10 months ago
So I have no idea about helicopters, but I heard this one term called the vertical tunnel or "broom closet" once. What is a "broom closet" and what is inside of it. Any answers from anyone who might know what I am referring to on a 206b?
adamsb33 11 months ago
@adamsb33 In some of the Bell Series machines, it is a structure with control rods inside rising up between the pilot and co-pilot seats which can block the rear seat passengers' view.
rstingrayNY 11 months ago 2
@adamsb33 Not all helicopters are the same but the few i work on there is a big door right behing the cockpit behind the pilots looks kinda like the door from a small broom closet its is an access panel for us to work on flight controls.
highlo3517 5 months ago
Damn, that transmission whine is creepy.
motokid032 11 months ago
Good thing they weren't farther off the ground. Boy that would be shit-your-pants time. FUCK.
randommagnum 11 months ago
@randommagnum It would have led to a better opportunity for the pilot to complete a SMOOTHER and SAFER emergency procedure. I've practiced engine failures from three thousand feet, TRUST ME they are easier to deal with when you have time to react and prepare for impact rather than being low, fast and screwed.
RedDevilPilot 11 months ago
@RedDevilPilot What do you do when you have an engine failure at high altitude? I mean I would assume that you gyro down, but what's the procedure? Do you have to disengage the rotor?
randommagnum 11 months ago
Wish I could see the instrument panel, it looks like he was going about 50-60kts? at the time of the failure, it looks like he was able to get the collective down in time for a partial Auto, but his rate of descent and initial deceleration was not enough to slow him down, its all about chapters 5 and 9 at that point, and how well you as a pilot are versed for an emergency like that.
mhspv06 1 year ago
I'm not sure, but i think this crash was due to contaminated fuel, i could be mistaken but i think there is a comment somewhere about this. Congrats to the pilot for doing the best auto rotation he could and got to the ground with all passengers surviving. Could have been a lot worse!.
diggerdrum 1 year ago
@diggerdrum ... I read the report, sabotage was suspected. The fuel had traces of soil inside and the refilling port also showed some soil around the opening.
boundaryzero 11 months ago
He shouldn't have been so far off the ground while inside the H/V curve - it's a long way to fall! The manual is abundantly clear on this, but pilots just seem to lurrrrve doing it. A mistake he will get another chance not to repeat - this time!
SteveWrightNZ 1 year ago
@SteveWrightNZ oh so you're not a pilot ??? But you're judging pilots... Yea... What ever
charlieechovictor 1 year ago
As a helicopter pilot we are always paranoid about the slightest possibility of an engine failure. We train for autorotations in all stages of flight, hovering and straight and level. This pilot was accelerating through the Height/Velocity Curve for that aircraft. The engine failure occurred inside this curve which tells us that the pilot did an AMAZING job landing if ALL SURVIVED. Focus on that and leave the flying to us "rated" pilots.
RedDevilPilot 1 year ago 43
@RedDevilPilot You're being ridiculous. Don't you know flight simulator pilots know far more than we do about our aircraft?? They have "thousands" of "virtual" hours. his makes them experts! We should listen to them if we want to live. Yes this was sarasm. It's amazing how much people THINK they know.
Quillons1 11 months ago
@RedDevilPilot Agreed, he did a great job! Thats about the worst place to be when your engine fails beside an MP Take off or a steep confined space landing. Always thinking about an out but sometimes you dont have anywhere to go. We just minimize as much risk as possible.
helobelow 10 months ago
@RedDevilPilot
Well said my friend...Well said..
scott93257 3 weeks ago
I love flying. Training with king schools YAY!
Dominoes282 1 year ago
"Footprints led from the tire tracks to a small pile of orange-colored dirt and back to the helipad. Suspecting the helicopter may have been sabotaged, the pilot contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). WTF
hingegen 1 year ago
Somebody farted and the methane entered the eng intake that extinguished the flame in the combustion section on the engine...
e081194eng 1 year ago
im a confident flyer but if i heard that noise at 0:03 i would soil myself
neillypilot 1 year ago
if i were in the helicopter i would have said :
WE ALL GANNA DIE ARGGG !!
hitachi088 1 year ago
The NTSB report is chilling at the end, saying that sabotage might have been suspected.
TonyAirlines 1 year ago
Had he lowered the collective and pulled aft on the cyclic quicker he could have possibly landed without crashing!
johnnybegoode34 1 year ago
I think some of you are camparing apples to oranges. I would rather be in a small airplane with engine loss anyday. The odds are better of suriving that than a helicopter autorotation, look it up, it's not my opinion it's a fact. I was in the army for a long time and flew on many helicopters and I'm a fixed wing pilot as well. Now, on the other hand I would never want to be on a big airliner without engine power, would take autorotation any day.
akfox38 1 year ago
it must me a bell 206 junk.
TheBellhelicopterman 1 year ago
Huuuaaauuuu,,, what hapen the engine,
avionesdany2009 1 year ago
One more thing...watch " 26 Turn Flat Spin in a Tipsy Nipper". I won't give the ending away, but it gave me goosebumps to watch. Piloting is one of those things that is fun, until suddenly you're in a world of shit where if you do everything exactly right, right NOW, then MAYBE you'll survive. It's worse than a car crash, because it often lasts so much longer...like loosing your trucks brakes coming down a steep mountain. Probably feels pretty good when it's over, as long as it turns out okay.
justforever96 1 year ago
Ok...I am a helicopter and fixed wing instructor with thousands of hours in each. The answer to anyones question about Altitude is our friend. Yes this is true with one critical exception. Your speed has a huge factor in an Auto Rotation. If you are anything less than 500AGL and less than 65kts you risk a chance in not being able to complete and safe and normal auto rotation. The HVD is there for a reason and should be followed to the (T).
Tmann101010 1 year ago
If you follow rstingrayNY's link to the investigation, the pilot suspects it was sabatage due to dirt on the inside of the fuel tank being consitent with dirt at the heliport, not the crash site and there were tire tracks in the snow . Read the report and draw your own conclusions.
The heli had forward speed at only 50-70 ft of altitude wo while the pilot was very quick to autorotate, the heli landed hard with speed and therefore rolled over.
Excellent piloting IMHO
halnwheels 1 year ago
The pilot in this video is a hero. He deserves a medal.
pbl826 1 year ago
OMG!!!!!!!!!!
MrMasterpilot 1 year ago
Helicopter autorotate ForTheFS, learn something about them before you speak. He either performed the autorotation in correctly or didnt have the altitude to perform it.
heliguy94 1 year ago
what would be nice if they put in a humongous parachute neasr the main blade on top, and the energency button in the cab, so when the engine fails, the pilot or copilot hits the button, it releases the 2 or 4 blades on the main rotors and ejects the parachute and comes down safety, just a thought :)
SpiritsoftheWolf 1 year ago
My poo hole puckered up just watching it. Good post. Pity about the heli.
roastoo00ooveges 1 year ago
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Flyboynumber12 1 year ago
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Helicopters glide too buddy. You should go read up on how helicopters work. Its called an autorotation son. If your proficient in doing autos and you always do good re-currency training, flying a helicopter is very safe. In fact the helicopter that crashed in this video held the record for being the safest single engine aircraft (fixed wing & helicopter) for many years and might still to this day "Bell 206 Jetranger". The engine failure in this video happened at a pretty bad time.
Flyboynumber12 1 year ago
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Flyboynumber12 1 year ago
that is a fuckin nightmare! thank god for that snow, someone wanted one of you guys dead
dodgedart74 1 year ago
there is a way to land a helicopter in a case of a engine failure, its sometung about angling to the chopper blades a certain direction and forcing it into a dive which will cause the rotors to spin which will provide some lift and slow the aircarfft down then you magically pull up the helicopter completely stalling it above he ground , this will break the speed in mid air and will cause the aircraft to land
zoro547 1 year ago
@zoro547 It's called "Autorotation" and it takes precision and skill to conduct them. It allows a allows a controlled descent to an emergency landing in case of powerplant failure. The Main Rotors are used and skilled changes to the collective and cyclic pitch are necessary during the maneuver to manage the energy of the rotor and the airspeed of the craft
shakenama 1 year ago
ForTheFS is an uneducated moron. Maybe he/she should stick to watching videos of RCs.
Stickman53fe 1 year ago
Wow...totally scary
scott93257 1 year ago
wow.
that was eerie
4leafmetal 1 year ago
@LinuxOwnsYou Actually each blade on a helicopter is and airfoil, the circular motion of the blades allow each "wing" to achieve a much greater velocity, creating a huge amount of lift. The pitched blades beating off the air provides a small amount of lift, but that is far from the primary source. Helicopters are also much safer than fixed wing aircraft in the event of an engine failure.
Closhua 1 year ago
wy didn't he use autorotation??
maybe he flys to low to use it for the time he react the heli is al down to earth
kopjesenseo 1 year ago
Props to the pilot. He and his pax survived. He caught his yaw rate, flared best he could and used every bit of energy he had left before he balled up. Helis' are unforgiving but safe none the less. Thanks for posting the video.
lukefled 1 year ago
@LinuxOwnsYou You dont know much about helicopters at all. Emerg. landings are safer than a fixed wing. look up an auto.
Jrbishop666 1 year ago
Wolf: You have to put the pole to auto,and if you put your ear to the audio you can hear the LOW ROTOR horn all the way down,no RPM left when they hit the ground ,good to hear people are ok but pilot kinda froze up!!
actonyourimpulsee 1 year ago
i love how he was so calm everybody ok?
elmo1348 1 year ago
Are we there yet?
eng081194 1 year ago
fare play to the lad flying it, every one safe
demanfromdelmonte 1 year ago
0:04 worst sound ever..............
flyinhighrogerKBTR1 1 year ago
what is autorotate??
jongkongmas 1 year ago
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zeitschleife 1 year ago
damn good explanation! off course we need a moving car to experience braking...now I'll ride more in helo than plane...
jongkongmas 1 year ago
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zeitschleife 1 year ago
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zeitschleife 1 year ago
OMG !!!!!
ivanisfad 1 year ago
before you put in comments please read the ntsb link under the info... this was sabotage
tcsodoto6187 1 year ago
He said, she said..... Understand that accidents due to vandalism get a whole different pay out and it's a common claim. If any of this were true, the NSTB and the FAA would be all over it, but apparently the evidence didn't stack up or the FBI would have gotten involved. Also, pilot changed his story and came up with interesting evidence after the fact....
CommentsCop 1 year ago
Good Video but why would someone really want to sabotage a helicopter? sick ba**ards
matoy77 2 years ago
Read The NTSB report. Dirt was found in the Fuel Tank caps. It was sabotaged. I use locking gas caps everywhere. Last one I replaced two days ago.
CFITOMAHAWK2 2 years ago
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someone should really do something about helicopters. i like them but failures like this means loss of life. comparing that to the planes, they can still glide in the air and could make at least soft landing than this.
ForTheFS 2 years ago
at least eveyone walked away, and in a helo, you dont need to find a runway. any parking lot will do. altitude is our friend.
rstingrayNY 2 years ago 12
@rstingrayNY Listen mate, I dont even care about these things anymore. thanks for replaying anyways. tada!
ForTheFS 1 year ago
@rstingrayNY only so much altitude though...
raulrusboy 1 year ago
@rstingrayNY And he didn't seem to have too much of that.
Chuckjagermeister 1 year ago
@ForTheFS
Please don't dash something you don't understand. Helicopters can autorotate to a much smaller area and land with a much slower speed than fixed wing if the engine quits. An engine failure in a helicopter is statistically much safer than one in an airplane.
CoeyCoey 2 years ago 2
actually a helo can auto rotate and land almost any place just like this one did.
they dont drop like rocks
educate yourself before you post again
2204Alpha 2 years ago
I can do the same thing as a fix wing can.
auto rotate. first lesson ever learned in school.
birddoggarton 2 years ago
didnt have the altitude to auto rotate.
nemesis3001 2 years ago 4
Yes I know. I had rather lose my turbine at this allt. rather than a failure at 5000 and have to auto/rotate.
birddoggarton 2 years ago
it looks like a flare in the end, but probablly rpms went too low
javn0023 1 year ago
You're a complete idiot!
Do you even have a clue as to how many lives helicopters have SAVED!
studioeffects 2 years ago
This was directed @ForTheFS BTW
studioeffects 2 years ago
@ForTheFS google 'autorotation' -- helicopter pilots do have options in the event of an engine failure.
ianchard 1 year ago
@ForTheFS I love it how people make stupid assumptions about helicopters. What do you think autorotation is? Try youtubing that....
ELX222 1 year ago
@ForTheFS what do you mean "do something about helicopters" ??
For the record, helicopters can autorotate, similar to gliding in an airplane.
But, as in this case and many airplane crashes, you can't ALWAYS glide out into safety.
EuropaBloke 1 year ago
@ForTheFS Helicopters can glide aswell... it's called auto-rotation... preformed smothly it can be as good as any landing... in this case he was just too low... but still mad quiet a good landing... :o) thumbs up to the pilot...
MKerzner 1 year ago
@MKerzner yes that's correct
autorotation is possible wen your not to low and also not TO high
kopjesenseo 1 year ago
@ForTheFS watch a few videos of an autorotation. It is very possible to land when the engine fails. Each helicopter has a heigh/velocity diagram that should be used when taking off and conducting operations that allows for a safe autorotation to be performed. I've had an engine failure in a helicopter and am still here to tell the tale without any damage to the helicopter.
bucknaked466f 1 year ago
@ForTheFS "someone should really do something about this" lol sorry but comes across that helicopter manufacturers aren't bothered ha ha ha. Just for reference Helicopters are designed to glide upon engine failure too
VonMaximo 1 year ago
@ForTheFS~ being able to glide doesnt mean shit if u havnt got a runway to land on!!..... and only under very specific circumstances can u "glide" a plane to a decent landing. It also depends on the plane.
marek0086 1 year ago
@ForTheFS -- lookup up "auto rotation"
CarMoves 1 year ago
@ForTheFS You can also glide with the helicopter after engine failure if the pilot is not flying so fast, so close to the ground. They would have made a perfect autorotation landing had they been higher up.
81Pondus81 1 year ago
@ForTheFS unlike cars that kill thousands worldwide. It's like anything, there's always a risk.
VertSP1 1 year ago
@ForTheFS > Helicopters can actually autorotate. They can land in a small back yard when engine failure happens. Planes need a runway and would have done the same thing. Not enough altitude and air speed. I say he did pretty well. It could have been a lot worse.
rofronzo 1 year ago
@ForTheFS In many ways they are actually safer though.
1) Heli's have autorotation, they don't just fall out of the sky
2) Planes need a long stopping distance. Even a good looking field from up high often has hidden hazards
3) Takeoff/landing in planes is probably riskier. You don't simply fall back on the runway.
4) Other pilots can put you at greater risk, such as landing in a tailwind or entering the runway on final approach
5) Some planes wing drop easily, so possibly easier spin :(
AndrewLuecke 1 year ago
@ForTheFS
Helicopters can make similar. This is called autorotation.
Helicopter fall down and the main rotor is distended through wind.
Near the ground, the man pulls the rudder, helicopter slows and lands.
This helicopter was too deep. Nevertheless, the crew survived without serious injury. Aircraft have greater death rates in emergency landing as a helicopter. Because they need a runway for emergency landing, which Heli dont need.
Alex1983demo 1 year ago
@ForTheFS 110% of the time I'd rather be in a helicopter than a plane during an engine failure. As Heliguy stated, please learn you facts before commenting.
n9233f 1 year ago
At high enough altitude, autoroation can be applied to glide a helicopter to a relatively safe landing at an event of engine failure.... though the pilot would only have few seconds to react or the heli can't be recovered...
escapersky 1 year ago
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At high enough altitude, autoroation can be applied to glide a helicopter to a relatively safe landing at an event of engine failure.... though the pilot would only have few seconds to react or the heli can't be recovered...
escapersky 1 year ago
@ForTheFS i'm not sure how familiar you are w/ helo's (i'm a Fixed wing pilot) but they CAN auto rotate it safely. They do engine out procedures. But low altitude just after take off regardless of what you are in your options are limited. As the guy said "altitude is our friend"
multisyncxp 1 year ago
@ForTheFS LOL, I won't explain autorotation to you again...already done. I used to think the same thing until a few years ago, that if a choppers engine died, it'd just fall. When I found out I was wrong, I was annoyed that I hadn't thought of that earlier. So yeah, airplanes are probably more dangerous than choppers, but there's really not that much difference in any case. If the engine dies, you had better think quick.
justforever96 1 year ago
@ForTheFS you or retarded, helicopters usaly have a greater power off gliding range then most aircraft, Autorotation is usually less then a 2000 ft/pm,
angiepi1206 1 year ago
@ForTheFS
While you have less time to react in a rotary aircraft, engine failures do not mean loss of life. Pilots are trained over and over for engine failures, and if the pilot reacts in time can enter into an autorotation and safely land the aircraft.
In this instance, the pilot did well to ensure the survival of the occupants. He was low, but atleast he had sufficient airspeed to generate a survival landing.
PegasusRomeo1 1 year ago
@ForTheFS Do you realize that helicopters can autorotate. Look it up. Any aircraft with not enough airspeed and altitude will not just glide to the ground.
rofronzo 1 year ago
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manysticks 1 year ago 10
@manysticks well the helo can't exactly pick a small space....they kind of need an open stretch to glide down into. their ability to strategically manoevreinto small spaces goes with the engine power
itzajdmting 1 year ago
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manysticks 1 year ago
@manysticks very interesting. I don't have any kind of practical rotary experience other than pax so couldn't comment beyond theory.Wow I bet you guys have some interesting stories/experiences, thanks for your insight.
itzajdmting 1 year ago
@manysticks
yeah, but as you can see in this video auto rotate is not an option when at a low height. You need upward air pressure to build up rpm to make a soft auto rotated landing.
joachim2464 1 year ago
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manysticks 1 year ago
@manysticks i agree to a point, i mean i this helo was alot higher then it was i dont think its passengers would have been so lucky, that thing fell pretty fast
SaGalv 1 year ago
@SaGalv If the helo had been a lot higher the pilot would have been able to start auto-rotation procedures and executed a controlled no-engine landing.
BigTwitchy 1 year ago
@BigTwitchy Do you suppose that is exactly what the pilot did?
aligerous 11 months ago
@manysticks Fixed wing definately safer if you have any altitiude you can glide and have multiple options for landing rather than just one point.
Dan8432 1 year ago
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manysticks 1 year ago
@manysticks a plane is able to glide long distances in order to do a safe landing though since they are flown in higher altitudes it gives high chance to even fix the problem or partially fix it to continue operating. when you think about these as well planes have a higher chance (in an engine failure just like the helicopter in this case) to either find a flat area or even an aerodrome to conduct an emergency landing
shadowfax1903 10 months ago
@manysticks unkless your flying a microlight which has 1:6 glide and can touch down with a stall speed of 40mph... in which case your options are very good. Helicopter blade problems are the things that scare me most, not the engine failing.
truthseekers666 10 months ago
@manysticks Unless your gear box fails also.... I'll let the C182 take the impact and I will walk away. J R
jrossi9250 10 months ago
@manysticks And you know this because you play flight simulator..... Shut the fuck up and stop acting like you know what your talking about. Get a real rating and then you can come back and make comments.
ritualghost 9 months ago
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manysticks 9 months ago
@manysticks lol, good luck to you then! hehe. Im not saying I know much about choppers. But lets face it, what is supporting a heli if the engine goes? Nothing. If a plane loses an engine, it can glide for some distance, and that means time to look for a spot to land. So thats a big call saying someone would rather be in a heli. Auto-rotate or not. Physics always wins. Even an airliner, from its cruising altitude can glide for hundreds of kms if all engines failed. Look that up yourself :)
jlebesis 9 months ago
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manysticks 9 months ago
@manysticks WOW, this is the most stupid conversation I've ever heard!!! An aircraft with FIXED WINGS is worse off than a heli? Mate, the only way the rotor can act as a wing is if it is rotating FAST. even then it would hardly act as a chute. Why is it that not one video, or account of an engine failure at alititude exists where anyone has survived. The minute those rotors stop, it DROPS. there is no other way. Its plain physics. I take flying lessons practicing engine-out landings...
jlebesis 9 months ago
@jlebesis if you still dont believe heli's can land with no engines after everyone makes fun of you for the next year, I will be glad to take you to 3,000 ft agl and have you cut the engines and then Ill even let you pick a small lz for us to land on, Im guessing that I have performed this at least a few hundred times, you could save yourself the humiliation and change your argument to "unable to land without a rotor" cause yes if you lose your rotor your screwed
atrain910 8 months ago
@atrain910 I understand your argument, and thankyou for clarifying. Please understand, I never said my personal opinion was educated, but my friends' who is an army heli pilot. He flies Blackhawks in the Australian Army. Maybe its different for certain types of choppers, but he tell me the Hawk is such a heavy chopper that losing power is disastrous. I perhaps should have clarified. .Thanks for giving an informed opinion on the matter. Much appreciated.
jlebesis 8 months ago
@jlebesis .... so dont tell me what would glide. And my sister has had chopper training in the Australian Army. Fuck me, sorry Im ranting on, but i've never heard such nonsense in my life. I fucking glide planes to a landing as part of my training. Why dont chopper pilots do that then? Funny how I know friends who have been flying choppers for more than 15 years, and even they say...they just pray to god they never have a failure..or theyre fucked. Period.
jlebesis 9 months ago
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manysticks 9 months ago
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manysticks 8 months ago
@jlebesis you just made yourself look like an uneducated fool with that comment.... helicopters can easily land with engine failure.... the blades pitch in a fashion while falling through the sky to increase the rpm of the rotor, the pilot then uses that one last build up of rpm to create lift before hitting the ground and 9 out of 10 times is soft enough to have little to no damage, the pilot of this video did not have much altitude to work with
atrain910 8 months ago
@manysticks Difference is a helicopter gives you less thinking time with a sink rate in excess of 2000 fpm, and if you screw up you can in fact end up falling like a rock. Not saying that you cant screw up in an airplane too, but it is most of the time easier to get out of. Luckily both categories of pilots train for such incidents, but never the less, an engine out at 500 feet agl is not a laughing matter with over 2000 fpm decent.
Tjita1 7 months ago
@manysticks Not if the only useable field was 2 X Alt. away LOL. You'd be surprised how little room airplanes need. There is no clear survival advantage in rotary wing aircraft.
schlusselmensch 6 months ago
@ForTheFS Ever heard of an autorotation? Helicopters can land just like an airplane with an engine failure, this guy just didn't have enough altitude to do it properly.
kb9okb 1 year ago
@kb9okb he had enough altitude and speed, he probly just paniced.
CHESSmaster69SH 1 year ago
@CHESSmaster69SH first the pilot has to asses what is going rong your instant reaction isnt to autorotate but to think WTF! every human will
MatthewMarshall1 1 year ago
@MatthewMarshall1 not if you're a good pilot with lots of hours and training, my grandad was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam, he was shot down twice and went down twice from mechanical failures, he told me that you first instinctive reaction is to slam the collective into the floor.
CHESSmaster69SH 1 year ago
@ForTheFS Helicopters can glide back to the ground...that is a common misconception, just to a lesser degree than airplanes. They can lower the pitch of the blades so that they use the air rushing up from the decent to pick up RPM. When approaching the ground they increase the pitch of the blades, increase the lift, and can usually land in a manner that saves everyone on board. The maneuver is called an auto-rotation.They are more dangerous but can glide back safely, under most conditions.
panzertank15 1 year ago
The term you are looking for is "AUTOROTATION"
killbilly069 1 year ago
@ForTheFS report said it could of been someone trying tosabotage.
notar1 1 year ago
@ForTheFS actually, helicopters can make a soft landing if they lose an engine, it's called autorotation. In autorotation, when the engine is lost, the pilot puts the collective on the floor and that causes the pitch of the blades to go flat or parallel with the earth, so that the rotor RPM stays normal while the engine RPM goes down, then when the pilot is close to the ground, he will gradually pull collective and flare the aircraft, slowing it down, therefore making a safe landing.
CHESSmaster69SH 1 year ago
@ForTheFS Yeah, you are wrong about helicopters. As a pilot of both, I can say from experience that helicopters are what I would rather be in.
cberau 1 year ago
@ForTheFS copters can autorotate and are much safer than planes (way more helicopter crashes are survivable than plane crashes). Most helicopter pilots can safely autorotate into a very small space and land safely. planes need runways, highways, extremely large fileds. This guy had a hard landing because he did not have enough altitude.
edcoondog 1 year ago
sounded like it changed into a transformer at the end
K0K4NE 2 years ago
Fucken yeah!.... what goes up must come Down! :D
6mrviagra9 2 years ago
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jimg1971 2 years ago
@jimg1971 : This isn't a fake.
digitalbroadcaster 2 years ago
that was bad!id be pretty scared hearing that!
thephantom2man 2 years ago
Thats why i dont get in helicopters, if anythings happens to the engine your screwed!!
embominator 2 years ago
@embominator : I spend my working life in them, under them and around them and can say that they are safer than road vehicles and safer than a plane.
Done hundreds of hours in them and apart from one heavy landing due to a connection detaching from the engine (caused power down) at 10 feet, I still find them exhileraing. The helicopter (AS350) was fine but our gyrostabilised film camera was damaged.
digitalbroadcaster 2 years ago 2
I agree with you by 100% :-)
Svendogga 2 years ago
You sure about that?
aligerous 2 years ago
0:21 ,sound like an tranformer!!!!!!
LuisJimenez92 2 years ago
WOW!! That's awful that there is suspicion to believe foul play. Why on earth would anyone have reason to sabotage a heli-sightseeing company though! the owner even stated this, "slandered, vandalized, and threatened with death." For WHAT??? it makes no sense!
clintcollins 2 years ago 7