Tips/Tricks for learning OLL/PLL

[jucko13]

your power level is way over 9000!!!

[kikasskruger]

thank you X100000000000000000

[1ice2cream3truck4]

1 question.. Is the Camera located at your head???

[LeighzerCuber]

do your wrists or fingers ever hurt and is there a way to prevent it? (i need to take a break for a while)

[Bruce5747]

in the OLLs number 3 starts off with r' what is that ?? i no its small r' prime but whats the maneuver

[jayrome23cobre]

I memorize algorithms before I go to bed. Every morning, I just hold the Rubik's and my eye and muscle do the solving for me.

[puppyofwrath]

Thanks dude! I will be checking out your website.

[uNamed2lyfe]

the way that im learning the OLLs is that im learning them from patterns.

so first i learnt all the cases which have no edges oriented, then the ones which have 1 edge oriented with 1 corner etc etc.

i hv learnt 23 so far (excluding the ones which have the cross on top).

[tyates72392]

ahhhh! i can't do this freidrich crap, its so hard!

[ChaosWZ]

haha tyates fridrich isnt that hard, u only need to know algs for oll and pll, f2l is intuitive. ooh 78 algs im terrified AHHHHH -runs to ZBF2L- ps : zbf2l contains like 1700 or so algorithms, have fun (no one knows the entire method)

[tyates72392]

i've been trying to do f2l intuitively, and i cant figure it out fast enough to make it any better than the beginner method, have any tips?

[jdouglasusn]

/watch?v=WVWdCkzHjjY

This Video works very well for me. He talk really fast though. but I after a few times watching it, I caught on to it. he stammers a lot too, but oh well.

I'm in the same shoes as you are. Only tip really, Once you learn all the positions your perspective corner and edge pieces can be in and know what to do with them, only one thing to do, practice, practice practice. My F2L sucked for a while too, don't worry it will get better.

[atrha4d]

Wow well aren´t you the cutest thing... Tell me, is it really better to know a method where you have to know 1700 algoriths? How will this be faster? You will not be able to recognise the special case fast, and you will definetly not be able to execute it very fast seeing as practising 1700algorithms to a good speed is impossible. That is why it is not done.

Kids these days...

[TheAccidentalFreak]

1. it isnt that many algs for zbf2l

2. jason baum knows the entire method

[sirshungo]

it's not hard! :)

just memorize!

then that's it!

:)

[ssj4goku1983]

take it in steps. thats how i m learning.

[Profilesrubiks]

just practice,at first it takes you even longer,then you're time returns to normal,THEN IT'S LIKE UBER FAST,it took off like 20 seconds of my time,now i'm pretty good at it,just do it slowly and try to look ahead ;) and i average around 29 sec

[waShbaK]

well yur a fag

[Jabels07]

damn i can do a rubiks cube in under 30, but im cool with that, i dont think id want to talk the time to learn allll those combos!!! do work tho brother, do work

[egroeg42]

you guys go watch so you think your a genius 2 by me plz just to get it off the ground.

[thekingnoah]

who cares

[DUBTOWN643]

what does oll and pll stand for?

[WeiseGuy91]

OLL = Orient Last Layer

PLL = Position Last Layer

[Myselfanddawn]

it is permute not position

[WeiseGuy91]

What does permute mean? To place them into the proper position. -_-

[wqqqqwrt]

Permute means change. And pll is Permute last layer not position last layer.

[rubikscuber927]

Permute last layer

[llTwisterll]

where can i find those papers?

[DANERD221]

Bob Burton, just search "oll algorithms" on google and he should be the first link

[b33enny]

which would you recomend i learn first

[BtheCuber]

I recommend OLL because you have to orient it before you place it.

[b33enny]

ty for the advice :D

[football2theend]

haha i always hate telling people that i can solve the rubiks cube but then when i solve it for them they are amazed. i dont know y im so hesitant to show them but ahhh well.

[colossallogic]

i'm excatly the same i think ppl will think its nerdy or somat but i showed 1 person then i ended up doing it like 5 times coz there were more and more plp watching at school.

[looklikecool]

hey!

info: you will get 1/3 of them very easily.

or if you want to just get around 25 or 35 sec. Try to learn the PLLs and the 8 algorithm of the 1st case of zbf2l then you would just have to know the 7 algorithm of the 2look OLL which most of you already know. then you just keep going.

[ACardFan]

So you need to learn 78 algorithms to solve the top layer (21oll, 57pll)? And are these hard to recall when you need to solve the last layer? Thanks!

[ACardFan]

Er... (24pll,57oll) and are there more than that?

[badmephisto]

they are very easy to recall once you know them, but of course, learning them is the hard part :)

The good news is that MANY of them are very very similar, with very minor differences. Its not really 78 unique algorithms.

[ACardFan]

Ok, cool. And btw, is there a way you could get your 2-look-Oll page into a microsoft word document and email it to me? I have to use the local printers 'cause I don't have one and they can't print PDFs. (I just looked at your website and got all the Olls, Plls, notations etc saved.) Thanks!

[Laanglfan]

is there a way to set up an OLL on the cube to practice? Or is it just a crapshoot and what appears on top is what appears on top.

[ThisIsWEB]

for practice, just take a solved cube and repeat the algorithm until it's solved again. To know it backwards, do it once or two and then repeat it backwards once or twice.

If you're trying to recognize the case, do the cast backwards and see how the cube looks, and perform the algorithms. Do this several times in row for awhile until you can do it on command.

I'm new to this and haven't tried that myself :P, but that' my plan.

[ThisIsWEB]

What the heck, I have so many typos in that message.

[nitch543]

if you make a cross on the top o the cube first you can reduce the amount of olls from 57 to 9

[haeyang]

but it is slower

[ThisIsWEB]

7.

The other 2 are from making the ecross.

[wilsonmitts]

you can use 2 look oll or 2 look pll it ant that fast but it works

[mdogboy0]

excellent vid thanks, i learned f2l from you =]

[bry4n3]

how do u record your videos?

u tie the camera around your head?

jz wondering ;)

[eupogia]

yup

[deadpeopleseer]

there is probably a camera in his hat

[ThisIsWEB]

There a small webcam attached to something he wears on his head.

[deadpeopleseer]

cool

[thepwnageartix]

whats uw for the algorithm?

[greencheese117]

in the notations... wut does the w stand for? ex. Dw

[badmephisto]

its BOb's new stupid notation. Dw = d. Double layer D turn

[howlong1111]

You always make such good videos

[royboy348]

hey should i get a diy correction i just bought the new type diy a third model is that good and also is silcone spray good with that cube

[dauersurfer]

This is sick :-D

[Boarder120]

what pll's do you use now? cubewhiz still?

[Twister051]

This video helped out alot! Thanks, now I can finally get rid of 2 look!

[Twister051]

What do you have in your cube to make it spin good? It looks and sounds fast and I like it!

[pasamacallit]

it's probably silicon spray, it makes cubes spin smooth...

DO NOT use petroleum jelly as it corrodes your cube eventually

[Twister051]

I have silicon in one cube and I like how the layer itself turns, nice and smooth, but it still has...I guess you would say, lock ups in the transition. So i guess i'm asking, how do they get a smooth transtion between the turns, is it just practice? That is my ultimate question!

Anyway, thanks for responding!

[pasamacallit]

not really sure i'm guessing either the cubes they use get smooth transitions... or maybe it's because of the lubrication, perhaps the silicon fills in the gaps in between

[pasamacallit]

actually perhaps it isn't the silicon spray filling in the gaps... since u said you already have silicon spray

[Twister051]

Thanks, idon't know...maybe it's a diy...that's my only guess

[pasamacallit]

lol i guess so

[tjtheplay]

yeah EVENTUALLY it screws up your cube. But it's not a big deal. It's not hard to come across 10-20 dollars every 3-4 months.

[BillyBobsEel]

how woudl you learn recognition?

iv started to learn fome more OLLs but alot look very similar so if it comes up when im solving its still probly faster to just assume its not one i know and carry on normaly

[freeagentfreek]

That was a very informative video. I think your right about muscle memory for the algs. It seems that it takes longer to say the move in your head to perform it rather than just doing it. thanx for all your help!

[scott01019]

hey that was really helpful! THANKS!

[jemar200]

thanks for the website im learning one a day so i ddont get confusedi no two after today

[IG88isevil]

What is the method where you do oll/pll in one step?

[badmephisto]

there is no such thing. but if you want you can learn all possible last layer cases, there is about 1200, good luck.

[euklid216]

@badmephisto doesn't some guy (forgot his name :/) know all the ll-algs now?

[iiCube]

ps. sorry for the disruption, I wasn't feeling 100% at the time..;P

[iiCube]

ahh lols, sorry for my use of grammar. Well you got me there, if I need any extra help im sure to ask you again.

:) goodluck cubing.

[iiCube]

badmephiso, how come you never reply to me? but u reply to everyone else. :(

[badmephisto]

hi sorry? :)

i dont know, i just dont feel like answering questions that i've answered many many times before. That and your question is not really good... "how long until i could do f2l fluently?" What does that even mean?

Actually wait, i think it was... 1 month 12 days 6 hours 23 minutes and 16 seconds.

there is no answer to that question :) As far as I am concerned I'm not yet fluent myself, there is always room for improvement. The notion is not well defined

[kickinwing2112]

Do you have the algorithims memorized from each side so in thoery 4 for every case?

[badmephisto]

no lol are you crazy? way too much work :D

[kickinwing2112]

yeah but everyone hates x,y,z turns and bob bourton posts f2l from every side

[iiCube]

edit: and most 2look pll's learnt

[iiCube]

badmephisto, iv been cubing for about 1month now, and I timed myself today. THANKX to your tutorials i average 47.77 with the 2 look oll's learn and most 2 look olls. One question, how long does it take to do the f2l fluently..how long did it take you?.

Thanks.

[avswish45]

it seems to me that ur vids r the only ones that really help me but i don't really know much about the cube so wat is m' and x i only no the basics!!!?????? plz help

[heymaxsup]

can someone please tell me what the w means?

[lucari]

not bad, thanks, i actually do all u said ( before i watched this video) fun... it's fun to reverse the algorithms too XD

[feytaliciouz]

i just want to know if you respect jessica fridrich. just yes or no.

[fermac94]

Nice video, helped me to find a nice page for learning them.

[pigcorpse]

Hmm, in this video you said that Cubewhiz has the best algorithms, but in the PLL memorization, tips, links video, you said that the OLLs from Cubewhiz are terrible. Which site has the best OLL algorithms?

[RubiksAddict95]

If you do case 18 and then 42 (instead of first 42, then 18), and you reduce RF'FR to R2, you get the T-permutation (case 10)

[badmephisto]

haha that's so cool! How did I not think about reversing the two before? Thanks for that

[JeegB0T]

Very very useful Tips! Tks!

[joshuadgreat11]

yoh wat does M' AND ETC.,., I ONLY KNOW THE BASIC WHERE I CAN FIND THE STEPS:p

[rubixcubix96]

PestVic has a video about notation

[Mindstormscreator]

m means middle

[Halocuber]

Woot , now I will have to learn about 20 algorithms a day =(

[kickinwing2112]

what is your fastest solve

How may cubes do you solve per day

[Ghostlyman2]

Very nice! Making groups is realy the best tip ever, there are realy many algo's with same parts. Also getting the algo's in the muscles instead of the letters in the brain is also very good. I was once saying a algorithme while i was doing it, but i was 1 turn in front of my mind and i still got it right because it was in the muscles, Thanks a lot!

[arrictine333]

where's the printable page section? could you post the link? of the printable page?

[badmephisto]

i did post the link. ask yourself this: if you were me and had to share a link that goes with a video, where would you put it?

[arrictine333]

on the description.

[badmephisto]

yes so thats the link to the website.... just go to PLL/OLL section and there is a highlighted link that says "printable page" click that

[narashik4]

where did you print those pages from? the cubewhiz pages look totally different from your pages :]

[katantoon]

theres a printable version there.

[NorwegianMetalLover]

Very nice!!

I have one question though.

Do you use JF's F2L before you go on to the third layer or do you have another method?

[badmephisto]

what is JF's F2L? I use normal intuitive F2L.

[curtdogface]

dude how fast can u do one? like wat is your record? and how long did it take u to get to the stage of learning all of them?

[badmephisto]

depends on the case... anywhere between 1.2-3 seconds. How long? Month and something, slowly but surely learned them one by one.

[Wismer1987]

nice vid...im from swiss ,but its very easy to understand...great job!! thank you

[Drabat]

can u send us the link to where u get the paper of intructions?

[badmephisto]

Yes its in the DESCRIPTION.

[greenfloor]

i have a few questions about the site, please reply. first, what does y or y' and x or x' mean? and why do some of the algs have little letters instead of big letters i.e (l' U' l) (L' U' L U) (l' U l)??

[badmephisto]

there is a notation page link on top of the page.

[greenfloor]

oh haha sorry never noticed that, thanks :D

[Hakan625]

thanks for your videos, they help a lot =)

[joe22092]

about how long should it take to learn all the PLL's (just a rough estimate so i know how to pace myself)

[badmephisto]

i learned them 1 per day. and that was good

[joe22092]

cool, that makes sence

[richardz021]

How come PLL is more important than OLL because OLL's save you doing about 3 algs sometimes more but PLL's only save you one

[badmephisto]

yes but look at the length of those algs as well.

2look OLL is pretty fast because doing RUR'U' is very fast.

[rikard92]

if you want to go to gross directry from little "L" and you must hold the cube wich the "L"comes left upper corner looks like that "｣" and you do

F U R U' R' F'

if you have just a bar you hold the cube who the bar comes like "-"this and you do

F R U R' U' F'

you can get the gross very fast

+THATS BEGINERS METHOD+

[TomDillinger]

Does the OLL happen directly after the F2L? I need your help so bad!!!

[badmephisto]

yes. Google the Fridrich method for more information on how it works

[GrymFateIndeed]

where do you get all those alogorithums? how do you get fast with the finger tricks.

PLEASE HELP ME

[badmephisto]

Did you even watch the video? I say directly in the beginning where I get my algorithms, and I link to the page AGAIN in the video description.

[Alfzz]

Hey bro you suppose you could do a video on finger tricks regarding PLLs? But in slow motion and stuff. I've got all 21 PLLs in my head but i can't seem to move fast as i have no idea where to place my fingers :(

Thanks

[jtjwsnake]

well, i cant say much since this is new to me, (ive been using the layer method :/) but i expect that like with all cubing it will just come with practice. try just repeating the ones that feel the weirdest (i cant say repeat them all theres like 80 or sumthing) and your fingers will kind of find good spots to go o rthey will learn to work with the spots you have them in. idk how much help advice from a n00b can be but there ya go.

[gifoimir]

I second this... in my case, i just want to have a hobby that i am good at (and cheap too)... not championship fast, maybe sub 25 "fast" is good enough for me...

[magichabs3921]

haha dude .. thats ALOT OF PICTURES TO REMEMBER !!! :P

[camcuber]

#44 on the Bob Burton OLL doesn't wokr for me. Help?

[badmephisto]

you are probably screwing up the cube rotations. see his notation page to make sure you have them right

[camcuber]

i got it, he turn the cube once in the beginning

[kolraz]

Could you pissibly make a videa focusing more on the PLLs, thats what im working on right now.

[badmephisto]

yea i was thinking of making one for some time. I might end up doing that.

[mrtubeo]

i know... but I need to get the same papers :)

[mrtubeo]

hey, can u tell me where did u got those illustrations? its a great video. im just learn firdrich methor since yesterday

[badmephisto]

its in the video description

[mrtubeo]

hey, can u tell me where did u got those figuration which are on your table?

[martinchingy]

i went to jessica fridich's website too

i tried that for a while. it was slightly confusing for me because i failed to visilize the cube.

your videos have been most helpful

[fuego96]

Seriously mate, you are one excellent teacher ;)

[lilgurly26]

wow.. this really is a big help..

especially for me who is too lazy to memorize too many stuffs.. thank you so much...

[Xeronian]

ah man ur awesome for making this video, its helped me learn quite a few OLL's for free! ty

[robopanther]

Thanks, great vid

[ScottKidder11]

Yeah, I had B and D moves, It's a little harder to memorize some of the algorithms with cube rotations, but the execution is a lot easier.

[yaya2295]

i dont really like cubewhiz because it has things like "x" or "y" and "z".

[badmephisto]

better than things like "B" or "D"... :)

and yes it's a matter of preference

[8zee8]

can you show me what x y and z mean people tell me and stuff but i don't get it.

[69krazykid69]

its the axis it tells you on the site somewhere but i dont like it.

[bionic214]

x is like r so when you do x you move the whole cube in your hand like r y is up and z is f hope that helped you can also go to hes site cubewhiz and go to notations

[Zanderthegreat]

Thanks Man! I didn`t know people would actually reply and be helpful :)

[Zanderthegreat]

Thanks for replying! Could you also tell me what ZBF2L and COLL are?

[badmephisto]

ZBF2L orients all edges while you put in the 4th F2L pair. COLL are algorithms that preserve orientation of edges and orient AND permute the corners... so usually people do F2L without the last slot, then do ZBF2L to insert that slot and orient edges, then a COLL to solve all corners, and then they are left with an easy Edge cycle PLL, which are very fast to perform.

[Zanderthegreat]

Burton's #2 Pll Algorithm never works for me. It just brings me to the other 3 cycle corner situation.

[badmephisto]

make sure of how you are cycling the pieces. it definitely works, but PLL #1 and PLL #2 are SLIGHTLY different. You have to be careful the way you have to cycle the pieces

[sbader1]

Hey Zander, yeah, it's not your fault; the alg is fine, but the pic is messed up(if you scroll down his front page it says that he's gonna fix the image when he gets the chance).

You know how you hold for #1 PLL? With the correct corner in the front-left? Put the correct corner in the front-left for PLL #2 and try the alg again.

(Like if you take his image for #2 and rotate it 90 degrees ClockWise, but keep the same alg, it works)

Good luck on the PLLs! I'm learning them too right now!

[n00bCubix]

aha!

im stuck on learning oll's!

how much should i learn a day?

i know like 25?

[soyodi]

great video...the advice is incredibly helpfull

[gamemeister27]

Try Macky's site (cube freak dot net) His plls are taken from many sites, including Bob Burton's Dan's cube station and lar vandenburg's, not to mention individual people who have helped him, + he gives you hints on how to do them fast.

[kakashijamie]

what do you mean with improve F2L? (I'm dutch:P).

i use the jesiica friedrich method, and i want to be a speedcuber

[badmephisto]

get better at F2L.

[kakashijamie]

badmephisto, I'm learning how to solve the rubik's cube for about 3 weeks:P, and my current record 1 minuut and 9 seconds. (MUST GET FASTER!!!!!)

You're the best, you're video helped me A LOT for solving the cube :D

[badmephisto]

hi, 1 minute for 3 weeks is pretty nice, keep at it! start memorizing stuff and improve F2L.

and thanks :)

[grawpiep]

I don't really understand what the small letters mean, because for example: doesn't "r" mean exactly the same as "L"?

[badmephisto]

no. r = L x

it moves the center piece too, so there is a hidden rotation in it. it's different

[junhyuk]

you rock mephisto

[sirian23]

how do you made the algorithm with a parenthesis like this becoz i cant understand..

F (R U R'U') F'

and in the PLL what do you mean by the arrows??

[badmephisto]

1. ignore the parenthesis, they can aid in memorization. If you don't know the notation, just google Rubik's cube notation or something

2. The arrows indicate what a particular algorithm does to the pieces in your last layer. Where it moves them on the cube

[bionic214]

-x is like R

-y is like U

-z is like F

i dont get how to move my cube right or up can you help me and also tiny r like in (l' U') (L U) (R U') (r' F) i dont get it

[badmephisto]

he has a notation page. check that. cube rotations just mean re-labeling of the faces of the cube. so in x rotation, your Front face will be become the back face. The down face the front face, etc.

little letters are just like normal turns, but you also turn the middle slice as well with it . hard to explain, see the notation.

[pwnwner]

i got less than 40 seconds only using logic to solve a cube... like, i'm not thinking about algorithms when i do them

[Leblond111]

I didn't learn them all yet, ill do what u say, i'll learn the most common and easy one first

[drumkid5]

this is so confusing

[neopets8]

thanks, that was very useful :)

[Rubix189]

why are some parts of the algorithm in brackets???

[badmephisto]

just for your convenience. he groups commonly occurring groups of algorithms to brackets for easier memorization etc.

[Rubix189]

thanks..I question before i realize the answer is in the question...

Thank you for your help.

[robopanther]

Also for sometimes used to denote finger tricks

[reghrhre]

thnx this vid helped me i at least know half of the oll and i no all pll

[speedracerX1986]

hmm I just want to clarify something... so after I do the f2L, I can just use either the [ F(RUR'U')F'] or the [f(RUR'U')f'] formula to make the cross? then after that, one of the 7 formulas from algorithm number 4-10 on cubewhiz to finish the top surface?

[badmephisto]

yep. thats called the 2 look OLL. In one look you do all the edges, in second look you finish entire orientation by orienting all corners. I go over the 2look OLL quickly in my "How to become a speedcuber" video.