I alway hated this character, it never made sense to me. Kojima would have been better off just bringing Liquid back, it may have been a bit cliche but it wouldve made more sense than this ...
WHY would he PRETEND to be Liquid just to trick a stupid computer system? Snake would have STILL gone after him. Perhaps Liquid and Ocelot were one/Ocelot did it so that Liquid didn't COMPLETELY control him/he could use Liquid's knowledge (nanomachines in the blood in Liquid's arm) to his advantage?
Need a bit of clarity here.In the game they never said Ocelot removed the Liquid Arm and replaced it-in fact, when I saw it I thought that was how he fused it onto him. Then Big Boss said Ocelot transplanted Liquid's personality onto himself via nanomachines,hypnosis and (on the wiki) drugs and therapy. It explains why Ocelot lost Liquid's voice. WHY did Kojima change it since Liquid was so well accepted they made him posses Ocelot in MGS2 to the extent of veins on his head/voice change.
Ocelot is the son of The Sorrow (and The Joy). The Sorrow was able to channel the spirits of the dead (his boss fight in 3). Thus, it's not absurd to say Ocelot might possess something of these powers as well. He grafted Liquid's arm onto him in order to fool the Patriots, and was able to channel Liquid's spirit (seemingly unwillingly). Even though the deception was proving effective, channeling Liquid's spirit was making him go crazy. So, he took off the arm and...
@ronki23 ...replaced it with a cybernetic one, then just underwent the drugs and therapy to make himself seem like Liquid. After all, it makes sense that it would be easier for your personality to be changed entirely to be like someone else, rather than having to deal with your original (Revolver) and desired (Liquid) competing.
@GileadsFinest that's what I thought-he took it off so that they could be one rather than one or the other-I guess you could say he became LIQUID-OCELOT ;-)
Ever since I heard Liquid Ocelot speak I thought something was wrong since he had Ocelot's voice and not Liquid's! I hope they clarify this in MGS Rising-maybe Raiden chopping Liquid Ocelot's arm off?
@Kaweebo It never did. At the end of MGS4 it's revealed the Ocelot was simply acting the whole time. Liquid was dead ever since the end of MGS1. He never came back, not even from possessing. He simply was able to "acquire" Liquid's personality via nanomachines, hypnosis, and drugs. I can't remember exactly why he did it, but Big Boss explains it at the end of MGS4. I'm pretty sure it was something he did to fool the Patriots in his efforts to destroy them.
@QueKayCay Actually the arm probably did posses him, since some of Ocelot's actions at MGS2 wouldn't make sence otherwise. For example at the end of the game why'd he suddenly decide to go after the Patriots leaving Snake, Solidus and Raiden alive after trying his best to kill all of them (he couldn't possibly have foreseen Fortune having real psychic powers and rescuing them)?
Ocelot is the biggest turncoat of series, but that change of heart would seem too sudden even for him to make.
@QueKayCay And it's never really given a full explanation if Ocelot was really "just acting" to be Liquid. Sure Big Boss explains it that way, but there are some details that could imply truth isn't that clear. For example the fact that Psycho Mantis seemingly came alive & possessed leader of BB unit via same method Ocelot used to acquire Liquid's persona (MGS4 Database explains the reason he got rid of the arm was to "get his psyche in balance").
@QueKayCay As it's seems Liquid managed control Ocelot atleast in MGS2, it's not sure to say his persona faded completely after the arm was taken of and therapy Ocelot took could have strenghened Liquid's control over him once more.
It's also stated at MG wiki his character is never completely explained. Personally I think that Kojima made his character unclear and complicated like that on purpose, in order for fans to see him as which villain they liked more, Liquid or Ocelot.
@MorrDoors27 Wait, What. >.< You're confusing me again, If he's american what does he mean in MGS2 "I've gone to take it back" It being the metal gear.
@brandonhud60 he stole the plans for metal gear from granin's research facility and took em to america at the end of mgs3 so by the time mgs2 rolls around everybody starts utilizing the technology from metal gear to make their own metal gear units. him saying "i came to take it back" is him basically saying that the world would have no clue about metal gear if it wasnt for him. you understand now?
something like that idk all the speicifice details....and at the very end after liquid dies...u should fight a big boss one last time....idk something along the lines of epic.....
maybe in mgs 2 you play as snake the first part then grey fox the 2 nd part.....that way i would accept not being able to use snake as long as i was someone almsot as cool...hence fox maybe...fox or solid snake take on solidus....either way is cool
so all mgs are good except 1-4 on a flaw or 2....heres what my idea would be either liquid comes back in mgs4 as his real self and ocelot dies in mgs1 as the last boss.....raiden should never existed and instead grey fox survives mg rex encounter....and the whole solidus thing is perfect....solid should be the one to kill him though
lets just say its 50 50, but yeah i think kojima should stop contradicting stuff.. also the series is great but coulda been better hence ocelot dies in mgs1 and liquid lives on untill mgs4
Ocelot Kool, Liquid Kool, LIQUID OCELOT=The KOOLEST. Fuck Whinny ass Liquid Snake, dont get me wrong, he is bad ass, but he was acting like a kid and kept whinning so much.
We may very well see him as a young ocelot in Peace Walker and if Rising takes place between mgs 2 and 4,, then maybe we will othervise rising will be all about Raiden and alike.
Ocelot used psychotherapy and hypnosis in order to become liquid's doppelganger. Just watch the ending cinematic on MGS4 when Old Snake and Big Boss are talking at The Boss's grave site. Big Boss explains everything.
I'm pretty sure that Big Momma (Eva) explains quite a bit in the church in Act Three as well.
Wow, you're a real moron aren't you? I didn't insult anyone, but you felt the need to insult me. That's pathetic. By the way, Liquid Snake is a great villain, but he's not the reason the series is a success. Marketing is. Plus, Solid Snake is the best character.
I actually prefer Liquid over Solid, but Solid and Liquid are both the reason the series is such a success. If Liquid didn't play a big part in the series, they wouldn't had a "fake Liquid" to fight in MGS4, along with some of the same style fights from moses.
I agree. Ocelot shouldn't be the main villain or Liquid Ocelot. Ocelot should of died in mgs1 and Liquid who knew ocelot was a patriot spy impersonated ocelot and revealed himself at the end of mgs2. Liquid should return in to be the final villain as OLD LIQUID VS. OLD SNAKE in mgs4
@ledawg1138 Everyone has their opinion. I think Liquid and Ocelot are both great characters and villains in their own ways. If it's about better primary villain however, I'd go with Liquid since he is more menacing, charismatic and all in all more powerful character than Ocelot, atleast in my opinion.
Ocelot is a very appealing bad guy, but I kind of can't see him as the real nemesis of the game. Unlike Liquid, he always seems to be more of a right hand guy or henchman than the main villain.
Liquid Ocelot replaced his arm because it was causing problems with his Psichy { psi kee} how you spell that? lol. In other words , he started feeling weird having someone else arm on him. Its like if you have a heart transplant, i head people in life who have heart transplants, they feel weird and un comfy for like 2 years, cause they feel like the heart that is not theirs still has feelings from past owner/ Or some crap like that.
In MGS2, he was being controlled by Liquid but it didnt quite interfere with his plans, but prior to the events of mgs4, he had that arm removed and secretly replaced with a cyborg arm and that was wen he started pretending to be Liquid but had in mind the plan to end The Patriots (Zero) which was Big Boss and The Boss's goal from the beginning
What you're saying is not a fact and not true. A lot of fans incorrectly make this assumption from the database. The strategy guide says Ocelot was pretending in MGS2 and nowhere in MGS4 does it say Liquid possessed him in MGS2. In fact, you see scenes from MGS2 when BB says Ocelot used hypnotherapy. You're wrong!
if he did not posses ocelot how do you explain the voice and the hair becoming the length of liquids in the arm changing size IDK why peaps or in denial of liquid possessing ocelot its clear it was retcon for MGS4 but the database has been conformed as official by kojima production so yes liquid did in fact possess ocelot in MGS2 so you're wrong.
I know it was retconned, but the official record is that it was all a guise. Ocelot removed the arm because Liquid's "nanite-infested arm" (quoting from MGS4 documentary by Kojima) was throwing Ocelot's psyche out of balance. Liquid's arm caused spasams in Ocelot so he replaced it, so that he could be Liquid all the time--not just with Solid.
What happened most likely was that the original plan was that liquid was possessing ocelot in MGS2, but when they made MGS4 they decided that he was acting all along, since it was better for the story and it was. Ocelot always had long hair and this concept of having liquid possess ocelot explains why he used liquids young voice in mgs2 and nowhere in mgs4 even though it said it possessed him completely. It states in the strategy guide as well as big boss explains that he was not possessed
Mabey its because no character knew not even Big Boss or Big Mama that Liquid controlled Ocelot in the first place because they planned it. When Ocelot planted Liquid's arm to his it actually happened and cut it off when it drew his mental state off-balanced. Mabey thats what happened.
He sounded like Liquid because back in 2001 when MGS2 was released because Kojima had him really come back as a spirit. This was changed in MGS4, so you'll have to pretend the voice is what gamers hear--not the characters.
in mgs2 it was liquids arm in mgs4 he had replaced it with a robot arm with liquids nanomachines so the patriots tought he was liquid so he woulnd be killed by fox-die
nah come on, he's with one bad guy then he doublecrosses them for the good guys but then triplecrosses them for zero, then he teams with zero but doublecrosses him and joins forces with eva, then he teams with liquid and doublecrosses him and teams with gurlukovich and doubles crosses him and teams with solidus, he then triplecrosses them and launches an insurrection that surpasses even big boss himself, ultimate bad guy
No, all the "Liquid Ocelot" thing was no more than a way of telling the Patriots that they could never control an individual netither turn a person into another.
He was planning to end the Patriots for Big Boss's sake. At least that's what I got from MGS4 explanation.
You may want to have put "In my opinion" in there. I believe that MGS3 and Portable Ops was the better Metal Gear games. I don't know what it is but I just love the story the two games told.
I totally agree with you about MGS3. I never played portable ops.
MGS4 is one of my favorite games of all time. But my personal favorite is still MGS3 for the same reason you said its your favorite, the story is better to me. The Boss is one definitely my favorite character besides Liquid. And when I say "besides" I mean RIGHT BESIDES, The Boss is one of the top MGS characters of all time.
who's a better villian, liquid snake or ocelot? maybe ocelot, cause he's in all the canon metal gear games (except for the ones on MSX). or maybe liquid cause he's technically snake's twin brother, adding plot twists. i guess it'd be liquid ocelot cause he's both in one
He wasn't pretending. He went hypnotherapy that implanted Liquid's personality into Ocelot, so in essence he WAS Liquid, he just wasn't possessed by him.
I believe that their original plan was that Liquid spirit possesed Ocelot.I believe they changed they mind because Ocelot has a huge fan-base.I prefer the original "Liquid's spirit possesing Ocelot."
i know, i've had the database for months now...Liquid was never "In Control" it was simply ocelot pretending however there was a piece of liquid lying within. He needed to fool the Proxy AIs and The Patriots.
It's actually the other way around. The Japanese voiceover of Ocelot died, and the Japanese Liquid voiceover took the role of Liquid Ocelt in the whole Japanese dub. It's on the contrary on the North American dub.
Yeah, but the realistic position is actually inconsistent if considering what happened in the Metal Gear Solid 2 events, when Liquid talked through Ocelot by actually using his own voice and not Ocelot's vocal chords. This has little point if we accept that Liquid Ocelot in Metal Gear Solid 4 is not really Liquid, though, although it still is a pretty weird thing in the beginning when you don't know it, seeing that he isn't following the Metal Gear Solid 2 way of switching voices.
You can tell by my name i play Metal Gear Solid. But i made this name months ago and i just saw Liquid (from this game) and Ocelot (from MGS2) and put them together! I had no idea it would turn out like this!
Do you think their going to make a movie out of this game!!? If so, that would be bad ass!! I think Sean Bean would be great roll for Liquid Snake and maybe Kurt Russle as Solid Snake....or the guy who played Wolverine in X-men.
somewhere between the events of mgs1 and mgs2 Ocelot had it removed from Liquids body. Liquid said something about knowing Ocelot was connected to the La Li Lu le lo and choose Ocelot as his host if anything happened to him.
I alway hated this character, it never made sense to me. Kojima would have been better off just bringing Liquid back, it may have been a bit cliche but it wouldve made more sense than this ...
MisterBankz 1 month ago
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PoliticalBoondock 2 months ago
WHY would he PRETEND to be Liquid just to trick a stupid computer system? Snake would have STILL gone after him. Perhaps Liquid and Ocelot were one/Ocelot did it so that Liquid didn't COMPLETELY control him/he could use Liquid's knowledge (nanomachines in the blood in Liquid's arm) to his advantage?
ronki23 4 months ago
Need a bit of clarity here.In the game they never said Ocelot removed the Liquid Arm and replaced it-in fact, when I saw it I thought that was how he fused it onto him. Then Big Boss said Ocelot transplanted Liquid's personality onto himself via nanomachines,hypnosis and (on the wiki) drugs and therapy. It explains why Ocelot lost Liquid's voice. WHY did Kojima change it since Liquid was so well accepted they made him posses Ocelot in MGS2 to the extent of veins on his head/voice change.
ronki23 4 months ago
@ronki23 My explanation:
Ocelot is the son of The Sorrow (and The Joy). The Sorrow was able to channel the spirits of the dead (his boss fight in 3). Thus, it's not absurd to say Ocelot might possess something of these powers as well. He grafted Liquid's arm onto him in order to fool the Patriots, and was able to channel Liquid's spirit (seemingly unwillingly). Even though the deception was proving effective, channeling Liquid's spirit was making him go crazy. So, he took off the arm and...
GileadsFinest 2 months ago
@ronki23 ...replaced it with a cybernetic one, then just underwent the drugs and therapy to make himself seem like Liquid. After all, it makes sense that it would be easier for your personality to be changed entirely to be like someone else, rather than having to deal with your original (Revolver) and desired (Liquid) competing.
GileadsFinest 2 months ago
@GileadsFinest that's what I thought-he took it off so that they could be one rather than one or the other-I guess you could say he became LIQUID-OCELOT ;-)
Ever since I heard Liquid Ocelot speak I thought something was wrong since he had Ocelot's voice and not Liquid's! I hope they clarify this in MGS Rising-maybe Raiden chopping Liquid Ocelot's arm off?
ronki23 2 months ago
liquid sounding like stewy from family guy, anyone?
psymibes 6 months ago
Wow.....The way he says Liquid was hella just.....No gruff sound or anything. Above a whisper.
Renagade2332 10 months ago
LIQUID!!!!!!!!!!
TheLolfest100 11 months ago
sergei is voiced by dr. silberman from terminator 2.
YertleDaTurtle 1 year ago
Whait im i right frank jeager cut revolver ocelots right arm of and snake killed liquid snake the revolverocelot
MrPlaystationboy 1 year ago
Yes liquid won't die untill snake dies. Hint hint
obsleep 1 year ago
at 2:18 ocelot says no twice liquid just had to get a word in
liquidscorpion3 1 year ago
I still have no idea how FREAKING ARM can possess somebody!!!
Kaweebo 1 year ago
@Kaweebo It never did. At the end of MGS4 it's revealed the Ocelot was simply acting the whole time. Liquid was dead ever since the end of MGS1. He never came back, not even from possessing. He simply was able to "acquire" Liquid's personality via nanomachines, hypnosis, and drugs. I can't remember exactly why he did it, but Big Boss explains it at the end of MGS4. I'm pretty sure it was something he did to fool the Patriots in his efforts to destroy them.
QueKayCay 1 year ago
Well if that isn't a spoiler than I don't know what is. But I appreciate it.
Kaweebo 1 year ago
@QueKayCay Actually the arm probably did posses him, since some of Ocelot's actions at MGS2 wouldn't make sence otherwise. For example at the end of the game why'd he suddenly decide to go after the Patriots leaving Snake, Solidus and Raiden alive after trying his best to kill all of them (he couldn't possibly have foreseen Fortune having real psychic powers and rescuing them)?
Ocelot is the biggest turncoat of series, but that change of heart would seem too sudden even for him to make.
Tranguillita 10 months ago
@QueKayCay And it's never really given a full explanation if Ocelot was really "just acting" to be Liquid. Sure Big Boss explains it that way, but there are some details that could imply truth isn't that clear. For example the fact that Psycho Mantis seemingly came alive & possessed leader of BB unit via same method Ocelot used to acquire Liquid's persona (MGS4 Database explains the reason he got rid of the arm was to "get his psyche in balance").
Tranguillita 10 months ago
@QueKayCay As it's seems Liquid managed control Ocelot atleast in MGS2, it's not sure to say his persona faded completely after the arm was taken of and therapy Ocelot took could have strenghened Liquid's control over him once more.
It's also stated at MG wiki his character is never completely explained. Personally I think that Kojima made his character unclear and complicated like that on purpose, in order for fans to see him as which villain they liked more, Liquid or Ocelot.
Tranguillita 10 months ago
Ocelot is just the Coolest! he is the only Caracter that is in all 4 games.
Revolver Ocelot... later called Liquid Ocelot.
Love when Ocelot Talks. and he is the best game bad guy ever.
sorry to say this. but he is more bad ass then Liquid Snake was.
he like was in control from the beginning.:-)
andvas1994 1 year ago
I never understoof ocelot, i just finished MGS3 and now i understand.HE'S RUSSIAN!
brandonhud60 1 year ago
@brandonhud60 actually he's american. he's the boss's kid who is american. didnt you listen at the end of the credits?
MorrDoors27 1 year ago
@MorrDoors27 Wait, What. >.< You're confusing me again, If he's american what does he mean in MGS2 "I've gone to take it back" It being the metal gear.
brandonhud60 1 year ago
@brandonhud60 he stole the plans for metal gear from granin's research facility and took em to america at the end of mgs3 so by the time mgs2 rolls around everybody starts utilizing the technology from metal gear to make their own metal gear units. him saying "i came to take it back" is him basically saying that the world would have no clue about metal gear if it wasnt for him. you understand now?
MorrDoors27 1 year ago
@MorrDoors27 oooh i see, and him being american explains why he's at the whithouse at the end of mgs3
brandonhud60 1 year ago
@MorrDoors27 Isn't Ocelot half american half russian?? I'm sure his father who's The Sorrow is russian while The Boss is american.
SleazySanjuro 1 year ago
@SleazySanjuro that may be true. i dont know for sure though
MorrDoors27 1 year ago
I got one comment to liquid ocelot in MGS2
''What the hell we didn't even fight yet!''
TheCommentGuy8 1 year ago
I don't know whats better, Snake saying "Liquid" or Liquid saying "Brother"
DarthHawthorne 1 year ago
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thedamaja891 1 year ago
liquid is funny!!! BROTHEEEEERS
therenanreislima 2 years ago
does anyone know the name of the song that always plays when liquid takes over ocelot on mgs2? That song is sweet lol.
lancecryor 2 years ago
did anyone else think that you were gona fight big boss at first in mgs4 conclucsion
12345678919089 2 years ago
something like that idk all the speicifice details....and at the very end after liquid dies...u should fight a big boss one last time....idk something along the lines of epic.....
12345678919089 2 years ago
maybe in mgs 2 you play as snake the first part then grey fox the 2 nd part.....that way i would accept not being able to use snake as long as i was someone almsot as cool...hence fox maybe...fox or solid snake take on solidus....either way is cool
12345678919089 2 years ago
so all mgs are good except 1-4 on a flaw or 2....heres what my idea would be either liquid comes back in mgs4 as his real self and ocelot dies in mgs1 as the last boss.....raiden should never existed and instead grey fox survives mg rex encounter....and the whole solidus thing is perfect....solid should be the one to kill him though
12345678919089 2 years ago
i think maybe kojima made a mistake or 2 anyone else agree=still very very great series
12345678919089 2 years ago
lets just say its 50 50, but yeah i think kojima should stop contradicting stuff.. also the series is great but coulda been better hence ocelot dies in mgs1 and liquid lives on untill mgs4
12345678919089 2 years ago
Aaaaand after the first one was where it became trash.
KRKahn87 2 years ago
I think it's funny how Liquid has that whole talk with Snake and then Ocelot comes out of nowhere by 1:26 saying "Excellent speech, my friend." xD
TheRealRyukxmisa 2 years ago
Ocelot Kool, Liquid Kool, LIQUID OCELOT=The KOOLEST. Fuck Whinny ass Liquid Snake, dont get me wrong, he is bad ass, but he was acting like a kid and kept whinning so much.
Arcane1Soldier 2 years ago
I agree. Liquid Ocelot is the best of the best. Its too bad he died though (as Ocelot). I hope we see him in Metal Gear Solid: Rising.
Kendostudio 2 years ago
We may very well see him as a young ocelot in Peace Walker and if Rising takes place between mgs 2 and 4,, then maybe we will othervise rising will be all about Raiden and alike.
Arcane1Soldier 2 years ago
I LIVE ON THROUGH THIS ARM
ssknuxmagician 2 years ago 2
Ocelot used psychotherapy and hypnosis in order to become liquid's doppelganger. Just watch the ending cinematic on MGS4 when Old Snake and Big Boss are talking at The Boss's grave site. Big Boss explains everything.
I'm pretty sure that Big Momma (Eva) explains quite a bit in the church in Act Three as well.
bcates007 2 years ago 4
Who is cooler? Liquid Snake? Or Revolver Ocelot? I'm going to say Revolver Oelot.
ledawg1138 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Liquid Snake made MGS1 the great game that it was.
The Liquid character gave Solid Snake the best possible villain to fight.
If Liquid never appeared in MGS1, the game would never have been the success that it was.
And if MGS1 had never been a success, then the MGS franchise would never have been a success.
Therefore anybody who says "Revolver Ocelot" is cooler than Liquid, is nothing but a fucking idiot.
MGOTraitor 2 years ago
Wow, you're a real moron aren't you? I didn't insult anyone, but you felt the need to insult me. That's pathetic. By the way, Liquid Snake is a great villain, but he's not the reason the series is a success. Marketing is. Plus, Solid Snake is the best character.
ledawg1138 2 years ago
I actually prefer Liquid over Solid, but Solid and Liquid are both the reason the series is such a success. If Liquid didn't play a big part in the series, they wouldn't had a "fake Liquid" to fight in MGS4, along with some of the same style fights from moses.
reptile202 2 years ago 6
Well, Liquid is a great character, on that we can agree.
ledawg1138 2 years ago 3
I agree. Ocelot shouldn't be the main villain or Liquid Ocelot. Ocelot should of died in mgs1 and Liquid who knew ocelot was a patriot spy impersonated ocelot and revealed himself at the end of mgs2. Liquid should return in to be the final villain as OLD LIQUID VS. OLD SNAKE in mgs4
medalgear654 2 years ago
I view Liquid Ocelot as Liquid (I know its Ocelot). But Liquid mentally was there even if he was not him physically.
Kendostudio 2 years ago
wow look who i find commenting on a liquid ocelot vid. i just saw BLACKbusterCritic own you in his videos
ChefTokyo 2 years ago
Than your an idiot. Liquid is cooler than Ocelot.
medalgear654 2 years ago
And you're a dick. I'm just stating my opinion. Ocelot is cooler than Liquid.
ledawg1138 2 years ago 16
@ledawg1138 Everyone has their opinion. I think Liquid and Ocelot are both great characters and villains in their own ways. If it's about better primary villain however, I'd go with Liquid since he is more menacing, charismatic and all in all more powerful character than Ocelot, atleast in my opinion.
Ocelot is a very appealing bad guy, but I kind of can't see him as the real nemesis of the game. Unlike Liquid, he always seems to be more of a right hand guy or henchman than the main villain.
Tranguillita 10 months ago
Your right
darthkahn45 2 years ago
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WakingMajority 2 years ago
Liquid Ocelot I think is the man. Both combined are cooler than both seperate.
Kendostudio 2 years ago
Liquid Ocelot replaced his arm because it was causing problems with his Psichy { psi kee} how you spell that? lol. In other words , he started feeling weird having someone else arm on him. Its like if you have a heart transplant, i head people in life who have heart transplants, they feel weird and un comfy for like 2 years, cause they feel like the heart that is not theirs still has feelings from past owner/ Or some crap like that.
Arcane1Soldier 2 years ago
you spell it psyche
Inuboy1000 2 years ago
I just call Liquid Ocelot... Liquid, I really do not care if he is or not
Inuboy1000 2 years ago
"You enjoy all the killing..."
That phrase really makes me feel like some kind of socipath murderer or something... that I really wasn't fighting for what i thought I did...
DeathBlade182 2 years ago 3
In MGS2, he was being controlled by Liquid but it didnt quite interfere with his plans, but prior to the events of mgs4, he had that arm removed and secretly replaced with a cyborg arm and that was wen he started pretending to be Liquid but had in mind the plan to end The Patriots (Zero) which was Big Boss and The Boss's goal from the beginning
JohnKindle 2 years ago
What you're saying is not a fact and not true. A lot of fans incorrectly make this assumption from the database. The strategy guide says Ocelot was pretending in MGS2 and nowhere in MGS4 does it say Liquid possessed him in MGS2. In fact, you see scenes from MGS2 when BB says Ocelot used hypnotherapy. You're wrong!
Volt35 2 years ago
if he did not posses ocelot how do you explain the voice and the hair becoming the length of liquids in the arm changing size IDK why peaps or in denial of liquid possessing ocelot its clear it was retcon for MGS4 but the database has been conformed as official by kojima production so yes liquid did in fact possess ocelot in MGS2 so you're wrong.
Samkaveli88 2 years ago
I know it was retconned, but the official record is that it was all a guise. Ocelot removed the arm because Liquid's "nanite-infested arm" (quoting from MGS4 documentary by Kojima) was throwing Ocelot's psyche out of balance. Liquid's arm caused spasams in Ocelot so he replaced it, so that he could be Liquid all the time--not just with Solid.
Volt35 2 years ago
What happened most likely was that the original plan was that liquid was possessing ocelot in MGS2, but when they made MGS4 they decided that he was acting all along, since it was better for the story and it was. Ocelot always had long hair and this concept of having liquid possess ocelot explains why he used liquids young voice in mgs2 and nowhere in mgs4 even though it said it possessed him completely. It states in the strategy guide as well as big boss explains that he was not possessed
Arcane1Soldier 2 years ago
than can someone tell me why Ocelot replaced Liquid's arm i he was never Liquid
Inuboy1000 2 years ago
Mabey its because no character knew not even Big Boss or Big Mama that Liquid controlled Ocelot in the first place because they planned it. When Ocelot planted Liquid's arm to his it actually happened and cut it off when it drew his mental state off-balanced. Mabey thats what happened.
medalgear654 2 years ago
Everyone here knows that Solidus and Liquid are good guys since were fighting for the right reasons and to eliminate the patriots.
GreenDragonofAmerica 2 years ago
He sounded like Liquid because back in 2001 when MGS2 was released because Kojima had him really come back as a spirit. This was changed in MGS4, so you'll have to pretend the voice is what gamers hear--not the characters.
Volt35 2 years ago
in mgs2 it was liquids arm in mgs4 he had replaced it with a robot arm with liquids nanomachines so the patriots tought he was liquid so he woulnd be killed by fox-die
dakill9 2 years ago
If Ocelot pretended to be controlled by Liquid all along, how come Ocelot sounded like Liquid in MGS2.
medalgear654 2 years ago 2
ocelot truly is the ultimate bad guy.
magicadd 3 years ago
no, just the overall antagonist to the series.
edward18517 3 years ago
nah come on, he's with one bad guy then he doublecrosses them for the good guys but then triplecrosses them for zero, then he teams with zero but doublecrosses him and joins forces with eva, then he teams with liquid and doublecrosses him and teams with gurlukovich and doubles crosses him and teams with solidus, he then triplecrosses them and launches an insurrection that surpasses even big boss himself, ultimate bad guy
magicadd 3 years ago 3
No, all the "Liquid Ocelot" thing was no more than a way of telling the Patriots that they could never control an individual netither turn a person into another.
He was planning to end the Patriots for Big Boss's sake. At least that's what I got from MGS4 explanation.
E45LP3 3 years ago
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS !!!!! !!!!!!!!
dam i love the way cam clarke says it
enigmatic247 3 years ago
yeah if ocelot was really possessed by liquid in mgs4 cam would've done his voice. he's incredible, kinda like the template for stewie griffin
magicadd 3 years ago
Solid snake, Liquid Snake.... now meet the unknown brother... Gas Snake! Duh duh duh!!
spacesex101 3 years ago
MGS4 is the best game ever made!
wawern 3 years ago 9
Mgo name = BulletBeast
croku 3 years ago 3
You may want to have put "In my opinion" in there. I believe that MGS3 and Portable Ops was the better Metal Gear games. I don't know what it is but I just love the story the two games told.
Brinksofsims 3 years ago
I totally agree with you about MGS3. I never played portable ops.
MGS4 is one of my favorite games of all time. But my personal favorite is still MGS3 for the same reason you said its your favorite, the story is better to me. The Boss is one definitely my favorite character besides Liquid. And when I say "besides" I mean RIGHT BESIDES, The Boss is one of the top MGS characters of all time.
lancecryor 3 years ago
who's a better villian, liquid snake or ocelot? maybe ocelot, cause he's in all the canon metal gear games (except for the ones on MSX). or maybe liquid cause he's technically snake's twin brother, adding plot twists. i guess it'd be liquid ocelot cause he's both in one
jumpmansbro 3 years ago
Liquid all the way.He's the ultimate foe of Solid Snake.The true heir of Big Boss'warmongering legacy.
619heat 3 years ago
true. and he's got that kickass accent
jumpmansbro 3 years ago
nice voice from liquid
kostasolid 3 years ago
Liquid is further proof that if your going to be a good villian, you need to be British!
ZhouTai84 3 years ago 3
this explains snakes aging a little bit better
the21stsergeant 3 years ago
He wasn't pretending. He went hypnotherapy that implanted Liquid's personality into Ocelot, so in essence he WAS Liquid, he just wasn't possessed by him.
RatedY2JForums 3 years ago
"BROTHEEEEERSSS!!!"
Liquid should never die!
renatonigro 3 years ago 2
oh my god, yall... Liquid never had full control of him, it was a disguise. He needed it to gain access to the Proxy AIs
4waynosespray 3 years ago
this dosent make sense in mgs 4 if his arm is robotical because he got rid of liquids arm how come he still pretends hes liquid?
hystericalsam 3 years ago
to fool the patriots
dakill9 3 years ago
lol ocelot gets beat up everywhere in MGS3
jakmil 3 years ago
If Ocelot chose to become like Liquid through psycotherapy than why is he saying get out of my mind liquid here.
Nott5 3 years ago
I believe that their original plan was that Liquid spirit possesed Ocelot.I believe they changed they mind because Ocelot has a huge fan-base.I prefer the original "Liquid's spirit possesing Ocelot."
619heat 3 years ago
Yeah, I prefer the possession thing also. He is the son of the Sorrow after all.
Nott5 3 years ago
the reason why he said that is becuase the sorrow is his father so when liqud ocelot got his arm he can talk to him and also liqud can contolr ocelot
Gutairvillan987 3 years ago
the official mgs4 database says that in mgs2 liquid did controlled ocelot, but after m mgs2 ocelot replaced liquids arm with a robot arm.
dakill9 3 years ago
Right, but Liquid never "actually" controlled him... It was Ocelot's guise to get into the AI's without any trouble.
4waynosespray 3 years ago
in mgs2 liquid DID controll ocelot but not in mgs4 couse ocelot replaced liquids arm with a robot arm.
Look it up in the official mgs4 database on ps3
dakill9 3 years ago
i know, i've had the database for months now...Liquid was never "In Control" it was simply ocelot pretending however there was a piece of liquid lying within. He needed to fool the Proxy AIs and The Patriots.
4waynosespray 3 years ago
he never controlled him at all man
the21stsergeant 3 years ago 2
dude, read the database
dakill9 3 years ago
Because like i said above, he needed to gain access under Liquids name so no one would be "suspicious"
4waynosespray 3 years ago
Snake is old cause that is the way he was born. You do know there was more than one Snake in Metal Gear
TheSweetKnight 3 years ago
Does any one know why in mgs4 Cam Clarke (Liqud) isnt doing liqud in the 4th one??
Dephyr09 3 years ago
the Chinese voice of Liquid died, so they had to use the voices for Ocelot for both english and chinese versions
Sickillahz 3 years ago
i wish Cam clarke was doing liquid ocelot
Dephyr09 3 years ago
Japanese not chinese, you fucking idiot.
Shizor25 3 years ago
Woah
Fuck off you rude little cunt
I make a mistake dont have a bitch fit jesus :/
Sickillahz 3 years ago
It's actually the other way around. The Japanese voiceover of Ocelot died, and the Japanese Liquid voiceover took the role of Liquid Ocelt in the whole Japanese dub. It's on the contrary on the North American dub.
WeskerSega 2 years ago
SPOILERS:
Because Liquid's actually dead. Ocelot had his Liquid arm removed and replaced with a cybernetic one.
That, and it's more realistic. Even if it's Liquid talking, he's still using Ocelot's vocal chords.
teamrocketspy621 3 years ago
Yeah, but the realistic position is actually inconsistent if considering what happened in the Metal Gear Solid 2 events, when Liquid talked through Ocelot by actually using his own voice and not Ocelot's vocal chords. This has little point if we accept that Liquid Ocelot in Metal Gear Solid 4 is not really Liquid, though, although it still is a pretty weird thing in the beginning when you don't know it, seeing that he isn't following the Metal Gear Solid 2 way of switching voices.
WeskerSega 2 years ago
is snake getting older faster then other people :O?
wertyy2 3 years ago
Yeah. It's a known side effect of cloning.
EternalGuardian07 3 years ago
because he has flawed cloning which is causing him to age rapidly
julws 3 years ago
Not flawed, intentional - to prevent him from being used by the enemy
troy2000me 3 years ago
so liquid is controling ocelot?
ZZaPiL 3 years ago 5
Ocelot is Liquid through the nanomachines.
therosewebb 3 years ago
My understanding is that Ocelot is pretending to be overtaken by Liquid.
SuperJAD89 3 years ago 4
He's not pretending. He put Liquids personality onto himself through hypnosis and use of nanomachines.
mhesi 3 years ago
not hypnosis, phycotherapy, and no nanomachines, he is actually acting it out also
corebore13 3 years ago
He is pretending because he could not completely transform himself into liquid. So he had to pretend he was liquid to gain access to the AI's
4waynosespray 3 years ago
the official mgs4 database says that in mgs2 liquid did controlled ocelot, but after m mgs2 ocelot replaced liquids arm with a robot arm.
dakill9 3 years ago
doesnt it say synthetic muscle fibre or something?
the21stsergeant 3 years ago
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what i want from mgs4 : solidus solid liquid gray fox and raiden in a battle royale. i dont care how just make it happen =p
omegaweaponredux 3 years ago
5:40 5:52 creepy!
esetios 3 years ago
You can tell by my name i play Metal Gear Solid. But i made this name months ago and i just saw Liquid (from this game) and Ocelot (from MGS2) and put them together! I had no idea it would turn out like this!
LiquidOcelot99 3 years ago
''Like surfing? Its a good way to go!''
That line cracks me up every time!
Zepp900 3 years ago
Do you think their going to make a movie out of this game!!? If so, that would be bad ass!! I think Sean Bean would be great roll for Liquid Snake and maybe Kurt Russle as Solid Snake....or the guy who played Wolverine in X-men.
jellykelly696 3 years ago
they have 4 coming out for the ps3 and then about the movie there still talking about making one
seizure507 3 years ago
how did Liquid become part of Ocelot's arm??? anyone???
jellykelly696 3 years ago
somewhere between the events of mgs1 and mgs2 Ocelot had it removed from Liquids body. Liquid said something about knowing Ocelot was connected to the La Li Lu le lo and choose Ocelot as his host if anything happened to him.
croku 3 years ago
That isn't confirmed anywhere?
Since when did Liquid "choose" to inherit Ocelots body? Of course Ocelot knows about the "La Li Lu Le Lo".. he bloody works for them! (the patriots)
GeezaGooderz 3 years ago
yes it is, confirmed. Liquid said it himself in MGS2 towards the end of the game. Go find the cutscene or replay the game again. NOOB.
croku 3 years ago
I hope Cam Clarke makes an appearance later on in MGS4.
ClearFire1 3 years ago
It would be great to hear his quotes in MGS4's flashbacks
renatonigro 3 years ago
liquid lives pretty much thanks to gray fox if it werent for gray fox slicing off ocelots arm then there be no liquid ocelot.
yoda55 3 years ago 2
wtf isnt snake like a timer when this happens?
EminemGuy47 4 years ago
So Liquid Snake is Now Ocelot?
Lew716 4 years ago
its more like liquid and ocelot merged into a single consciousness.
mammasittaa 4 years ago
More like liquid took over Ocelot...THROUGH HIS STUPID ARM!!! XD
ricemaster2008 4 years ago
How could they take Cam Clarkes voice out of Mgs4!!!!??? :'( that sucks! (Liquid Snake - BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!) we will miss it
Reubenmp916 4 years ago 6
thats the best line in mgs 2...when he shouts BROTHERS!!!! cam clarke will be missed
Beinem9494 4 years ago 2
Yep!!! But Liquid "killed" him (forever?)
For me the true interest of the story his the fight of the Liquid vs the Solid. (Only My opignon)
BobWesker 4 years ago
What a character Ocelot is.
brentmeistergeneral1 4 years ago
Have you not heard that Pat Zimmerman is doing Liquid Ocelot's voice in MGS4? Liquid SNAKE is dead.
KazuoKiriyama666 4 years ago
yes but liquid took over ocelots mind turning him into liquid ocelot
Evision5 4 years ago
Cam isn't in MGS4 at all, he already confirmed this to us. :-(
KazuoKiriyama666 4 years ago
"But before I go I've got a family matter to settle with both of you! THERE'S ONLY ROOM FOR ONE SNAKE AND ONE BIG BOSS!!!!!"
Suberb - 5/5
jonaspv 4 years ago 2
another reason is they were raised in diffrent places liquid was raised in england, while snake somewhere else
pushaboy 4 years ago
If solid and liquid are twin brothers, why do they have different voice actors?
procecedcheese 4 years ago
because Cam Clarke rules.
croku 4 years ago
you took that question from the Legendary Frog video, metal gear crysis, didn't you? xD
jonaspv 4 years ago
yeah...but its a good question
procecedcheese 4 years ago
wtf does that got to do with anything?
fuckahater07 4 years ago
Ocelot is the ultimate villain.
relies mainly on cunning and manipulation.
trlbuk 4 years ago
Cam Clarke, the voice of Liquid, will not doing Liquid Ocelot in Mgs4...(Some bad news)
BobWesker 4 years ago
see in the frist game of metel gear ever solder had a posion in side them so and boss dies they all die will not Snake lol
CoreyBennett777 4 years ago
BROTHERS!
croku 4 years ago
I love when he says that xD
jonaspv 4 years ago
coooool
jackgerardkit 4 years ago
liquid snake has a gr8 voice
piranhamatt2 4 years ago
nice video dawg ;)
prplaya2323 4 years ago