hi mate, a few days ago I bought a new SYNQ xtrm-1 turntable as well as a Stanton 500V3 Cartridge/needle. I installed and adjusted everything as described in the little manual, but when scratching (or playback in reverse) the needle skips. I tried everything, went through all the steps again and again, the only thing that helps a little bit is making the tonearm heavier (4 grams), however in the store I was told that the Stanton 500V3 needs a Tracking Force of something in between 3 & 3.5 grams?
I don't know what 300 or 500 Quid is in USD but I do know that you are getting ripped off because the cartridges you're using are very old technology and should be cheaper today then ever before which was under $20 back in the 60's. Think on that.
I'm soon getting a Stanton T.62 and I need to know what weight would be suitable for the 500 v3 cartridge for CASUAL LISTENING, I'm not a DJ and have no intentions to DJ on this turntable. Thank you.
@jameshodgetts1997 unless your on a verry tight budget dont get the t62, the torque is verry poor and the platter wobbels a bit. put ur hand on the vinyl and the platter stops dead underneith
@jameshodgetts1997 Why in the world would you want to use a Stanton 500? That cartridge is almost 50 years old, has very high moving mass and sounds very steely and lacking in air and definition and is totally inferior to even a $30 Audio-Technica. It's absolutely ancient. And why the Stanton turntable?
@jameshodgetts1997 Better believe it, 'bro. That's what I'm all about. I don't know what the Stanton turntable goes for but a used belt drive is just as good. Old turntables are a great investment. They don't wear out any more than clocks.
@TrowbridgeHardcore The optimum stylus force of a cartridge is primarily determined by its compliance, which in turn determines the required tonearm mass needed to hold it steady so that only the stylus vibrates and not the whole cartridge.
@TrowbridgeHardcore If you use a stiff, heavy tracking cartridge in a low-mass arm, the whole cartridge will tend to vibrate, which will cause very poor general tracking and a lightweight sound. If you use a very compliant (generally expensive) cartridge in a massive arm, the arm itself can get thrown out of the groove when tracking a certain low frequency. Since the shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line, a straight arm generally has lower mass than an S-shaped arm.
@TrowbridgeHardcore What I'm trying to say is that it's all a matter of compatibility between tonearms and cartridges, all between mass and compliance, which has to do with resonance and movement. And static balance.
@49kasey fair play, you obviously know aot more than me, my knowlage consisted of eliptical had better sound but wore the groovs faster, straight arm could have more force for scratching and that straight arms also wore out one half of the groove faster as it is resting against it
@TrowbridgeHardcore No, you're still missing the point but don't be offended. So few understand about vinyl and I want to teach but don't know how to do a video. You are right about ellipticals but I don't understand your concept about straight arms. Wearing out one side of the groove wall faster than the other is a skating issue. Any problem with scratching could be directly related to anti-skate since it exerts an outward force on the tonearm. But you need to realize that DJ use is abnormal.
@49kasey thats exactlywhat i was trying to get across, im just shite at explaning, you have to pile on antiskate when using a straight arm (Scratch dj's) this with the excesseve weight they use to keep the styli on the vinyl when there wickying will kinda make the styli sit unevenly in the groove, as if its dragging on the outer grrove wall
@TrowbridgeHardcore I think the problem with the straight arm has to do with it's being too low mass for your cartridge. Try using a couple of grams of something like Mortite (window putty) and cram it on top of the headshell. This will not only add the necessary mass, but will dampen any vibration. Then you'll need to re-balance the tonearm and add the necessary weight. Pay attention to the counterweight setting and you'll be able to figure out how much putty you added. Experiment!
@TrowbridgeHardcore AARRGH!!! Well, good. While you're at it, change your cartridges to Sumiko Oysters. They're perfect for that arm, have spherical tips, track at 2.3 grams, are rugged like Stantons but sound way better and run about $70. And styli are pretty cheap. Best of luck to you.
Hi, Thanks for that, it is just what i needed as i am about to buy new pins.
Just need to point out that the MK1 carts were gold and had more bass, i had them new with my gemini 2000's in '98'.
The mk11 seemed to me to have more range. I have a mk11 cart now but i need a pin for the other deck and did not know what to buy so i thank you for the help, i shall get two of these so the sound is in balance.
i got the 520 and they need a straight arm they didnt work well with an S arm, I had to get them just right to scratch. With a straight arm is drop n go.
Stanton was the first manufacturer to make pro carts that you could back cue with in the 70's, their Hi-Fi and pro needles were amaznig. The 500 is ok, to be honest a better all round cart is the Shure M-35x or ortofon om dj for just a tad bit more. The 500 lacks good high end responce but has a nice bass.
The best sounding Stanton DJ needle to this day is the 680EL or 681SE and also imo the best sounding dj cart period! and I have used them all, Ortofon, Stanton, Shure and Audio Technica
@vinyljunkie07 There's a cartridge called the Sumiko Oyster that you should check out. It tracks at 2.3 grams on a spherical tip, is rugged and sounds close to a Stanton but without the steeliness. And styli aren't expensive.
Johnathan, the AL500 MKII which you showed is no longer in production, the AL500 MK3 is its replacement. You can however put the AL500 MK3 styli on the AL500 MKII Carts.
So to sum up, buy AL500 MK3 styli for your AL500 MKII Cartridge!
@chazhs Was going to ask this exact question. Maybe i'm a bit of an 'old dog' for loving the mk2 500 haha, but gonna need to get new needles soon lol.
Do these skip a lot when scratching? Because that's whats happening to me when i scratch. When i do a drop really quick, or bump the vinyl just a little. It will skip. REALLY annoying.
got the old stanton AL500 MKll it works great no skipping issues sound quality is good i do plenty scratching no issues works good for me.
bobb3522222222222 2 months ago
Got the old Stanton 500 MkII as a remplacement cart for my Shure 44-7.
I love their old school look but I really don't like Stanton's new look... really.
Hopefully, you can find some generic stylus for the Mk2...
SiriusXAim 3 months ago
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mepaul49 3 months ago
hi mate, a few days ago I bought a new SYNQ xtrm-1 turntable as well as a Stanton 500V3 Cartridge/needle. I installed and adjusted everything as described in the little manual, but when scratching (or playback in reverse) the needle skips. I tried everything, went through all the steps again and again, the only thing that helps a little bit is making the tonearm heavier (4 grams), however in the store I was told that the Stanton 500V3 needs a Tracking Force of something in between 3 & 3.5 grams?
nilessince1987 6 months ago
@nilessince1987 i'm no expert but I'd recall the tracking force to be somewhere between 3-5 grams.
As for the skipping, I believe it takes some time for the new stylus to "soften up" and there will be less skipping
Khimil 1 month ago
terrible for scratching skips a shit lot
tdotrapper 11 months ago
I don't know what 300 or 500 Quid is in USD but I do know that you are getting ripped off because the cartridges you're using are very old technology and should be cheaper today then ever before which was under $20 back in the 60's. Think on that.
49kasey 11 months ago
500al's were amazing styli, the amount of dj's i know who still use them is unbleaveable
TrowbridgeHardcore 1 year ago
@TrowbridgeHardcore The only good thing about the 500 is its cantiliever is short and stubby, which makes it rugged.
What people don't realize is that DJ cartridges are the bottom of the barrel as far as quality goes and they should be priced accordingly but nooo...
49kasey 11 months ago
I'm soon getting a Stanton T.62 and I need to know what weight would be suitable for the 500 v3 cartridge for CASUAL LISTENING, I'm not a DJ and have no intentions to DJ on this turntable. Thank you.
jameshodgetts1997 1 year ago
@jameshodgetts1997 unless your on a verry tight budget dont get the t62, the torque is verry poor and the platter wobbels a bit. put ur hand on the vinyl and the platter stops dead underneith
TrowbridgeHardcore 1 year ago
@jameshodgetts1997 Why in the world would you want to use a Stanton 500? That cartridge is almost 50 years old, has very high moving mass and sounds very steely and lacking in air and definition and is totally inferior to even a $30 Audio-Technica. It's absolutely ancient. And why the Stanton turntable?
49kasey 11 months ago
@49kasey ever heard of a tight budget?
jameshodgetts1997 11 months ago
@jameshodgetts1997 Better believe it, 'bro. That's what I'm all about. I don't know what the Stanton turntable goes for but a used belt drive is just as good. Old turntables are a great investment. They don't wear out any more than clocks.
49kasey 11 months ago
howmuch weight sould i put on it for normal playback and/or scratching
molesticles 1 year ago
@molesticles for scratchin with a 500 i would say 3-3.5 depending on weather ur using a straight or a s arm
TrowbridgeHardcore 1 year ago
@TrowbridgeHardcore It has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the arm.
49kasey 11 months ago
@49kasey erm yes it does, look it up
TrowbridgeHardcore 11 months ago
@TrowbridgeHardcore Only if there are other characteristics which make them different, like overall mass or bearing friction.
49kasey 11 months ago
@49kasey now youve just lost me
TrowbridgeHardcore 11 months ago
@TrowbridgeHardcore The optimum stylus force of a cartridge is primarily determined by its compliance, which in turn determines the required tonearm mass needed to hold it steady so that only the stylus vibrates and not the whole cartridge.
49kasey 11 months ago
@TrowbridgeHardcore If you use a stiff, heavy tracking cartridge in a low-mass arm, the whole cartridge will tend to vibrate, which will cause very poor general tracking and a lightweight sound. If you use a very compliant (generally expensive) cartridge in a massive arm, the arm itself can get thrown out of the groove when tracking a certain low frequency. Since the shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line, a straight arm generally has lower mass than an S-shaped arm.
49kasey 11 months ago
@TrowbridgeHardcore What I'm trying to say is that it's all a matter of compatibility between tonearms and cartridges, all between mass and compliance, which has to do with resonance and movement. And static balance.
49kasey 11 months ago
@49kasey fair play, you obviously know aot more than me, my knowlage consisted of eliptical had better sound but wore the groovs faster, straight arm could have more force for scratching and that straight arms also wore out one half of the groove faster as it is resting against it
TrowbridgeHardcore 11 months ago
@TrowbridgeHardcore No, you're still missing the point but don't be offended. So few understand about vinyl and I want to teach but don't know how to do a video. You are right about ellipticals but I don't understand your concept about straight arms. Wearing out one side of the groove wall faster than the other is a skating issue. Any problem with scratching could be directly related to anti-skate since it exerts an outward force on the tonearm. But you need to realize that DJ use is abnormal.
49kasey 11 months ago
@49kasey thats exactlywhat i was trying to get across, im just shite at explaning, you have to pile on antiskate when using a straight arm (Scratch dj's) this with the excesseve weight they use to keep the styli on the vinyl when there wickying will kinda make the styli sit unevenly in the groove, as if its dragging on the outer grrove wall
TrowbridgeHardcore 11 months ago
@TrowbridgeHardcore I think the problem with the straight arm has to do with it's being too low mass for your cartridge. Try using a couple of grams of something like Mortite (window putty) and cram it on top of the headshell. This will not only add the necessary mass, but will dampen any vibration. Then you'll need to re-balance the tonearm and add the necessary weight. Pay attention to the counterweight setting and you'll be able to figure out how much putty you added. Experiment!
49kasey 11 months ago
@49kasey if i still had straight arms i would but i ditched the cheap stantons and bought a pair of sl1200's about 20 months ago
TrowbridgeHardcore 11 months ago
@TrowbridgeHardcore AARRGH!!! Well, good. While you're at it, change your cartridges to Sumiko Oysters. They're perfect for that arm, have spherical tips, track at 2.3 grams, are rugged like Stantons but sound way better and run about $70. And styli are pretty cheap. Best of luck to you.
49kasey 11 months ago
Yes they do still make them i bought some about a month ago had no problems exalent buy
djspam80 1 year ago
Are the new stanton 500s as good as the old ones?
TVperson1 2 years ago
Hi, Thanks for that, it is just what i needed as i am about to buy new pins.
Just need to point out that the MK1 carts were gold and had more bass, i had them new with my gemini 2000's in '98'.
The mk11 seemed to me to have more range. I have a mk11 cart now but i need a pin for the other deck and did not know what to buy so i thank you for the help, i shall get two of these so the sound is in balance.
yuraku123zhe 2 years ago
are they good for scratchin ?
zehquick 2 years ago
the 500v3 sucks for scratching it jumps all over the place dont get it if you want to scratch
sfalama 2 years ago
@sfalama
That's truth. I have N500 V3 and I also can say that they are not good for scratching,but thay are AMAZING for any electronic music.
djdudra 2 years ago
@sfalama your an idiot, its out of balance
pdc1453 1 year ago
do cartridges and styli come with a stanton t50x??
KrnJetli509 3 years ago
i got the 520 and they need a straight arm they didnt work well with an S arm, I had to get them just right to scratch. With a straight arm is drop n go.
rybred87 3 years ago
just ordered a pair of these today!
:)
footlover312 3 years ago
ive got a STANTON D71EE needle,and its freakin a.
boyojack7898 3 years ago
Stanton was the first manufacturer to make pro carts that you could back cue with in the 70's, their Hi-Fi and pro needles were amaznig. The 500 is ok, to be honest a better all round cart is the Shure M-35x or ortofon om dj for just a tad bit more. The 500 lacks good high end responce but has a nice bass.
The best sounding Stanton DJ needle to this day is the 680EL or 681SE and also imo the best sounding dj cart period! and I have used them all, Ortofon, Stanton, Shure and Audio Technica
vinyljunkie07 3 years ago 4
@vinyljunkie07 There's a cartridge called the Sumiko Oyster that you should check out. It tracks at 2.3 grams on a spherical tip, is rugged and sounds close to a Stanton but without the steeliness. And styli aren't expensive.
49kasey 11 months ago
Johnathan, the AL500 MKII which you showed is no longer in production, the AL500 MK3 is its replacement. You can however put the AL500 MK3 styli on the AL500 MKII Carts.
So to sum up, buy AL500 MK3 styli for your AL500 MKII Cartridge!
chazhs 3 years ago
to chazhs, thanks for the info!!!!
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ellaskins 3 years ago
@chazhs Was going to ask this exact question. Maybe i'm a bit of an 'old dog' for loving the mk2 500 haha, but gonna need to get new needles soon lol.
MrMikkiFunk 9 months ago
damn the SL 1200s are FLAWLESS!!!
DudasMiska 3 years ago
Great demo. Love the backspin =D
lcc0612 3 years ago
is it stanton N500 V3 ??????????????
djdudra 3 years ago
i have the same , good for mix but very poor for scratching
deejayfree 3 years ago
Do these skip a lot when scratching? Because that's whats happening to me when i scratch. When i do a drop really quick, or bump the vinyl just a little. It will skip. REALLY annoying.
MetaGearSolid 2 years ago
what needles do u use?
SonSeelye 2 years ago
the ones in the video
MetaGearSolid 2 years ago
what tables do u use?
SonSeelye 2 years ago
@SonSeelye techines
LAHFilms 1 year ago
nice
1tian 3 years ago