The point is a child needs nurture and contact with a primary caregiver-- mother, father or surrogate. When this film was made it was generally thought food, shelter and perhaps education were the only real needs of children. We know now that affirmation, nurture and loving guidance are as critical to human development and well-being as food and water.
what will happen to these kids when they grow up? will they still be "just" a biological human with no social skills what so ever? will they be able to function in this world?
This was from the 50's? After WWI the government tried to get all the working moms back in the homes so the returning veterans could have jobs, so they made this video to guilt trip the women into it. I'm sure that leaving your baby alone for hours on end isn't a good idea, but these children look deprived of all human contact, not just because their moms went to work.
This is just 50's propaganda.
What about all the single working moms or mothers who are ill or dead? Are they bad parents?
@pitthousing12345 okay, sure, but why is it only targeted at the mothers? Why not the fathers, grandparents, aunts, older siblings? There are plenty of people in the child's life besides the mother, and in some cases the mother isn't in the picture, and the baby grows up all right.
The commentary in this video is highly inflammatory. These children have the "wrong kind of relationships with their mothers"...because the children are orphans. They were raised in overcrowded orphanages after WW II. These films were made to *document* the result of inappropriate attachment---they were neither a research experiment nor an indictment against working mothers. These films resulted in tremendous research on infant social-emotional development & validated the need for quality care.
You know, people--but especially guys/fathers, who say "mothers should stay at home with their kids" are basically saying, "I, as a man, am completely incapable of raising my own children, because men are unfeeling, cold creatures".
When Rene Spitz was conducting research, the common view was that attachment was "the bond between mother and child".. subsequent research has shown this attachment to be between any caretaker. We need to form bonds in a critical period between 9-3 years.The real message is not that mothers need to stay home but that humans need to form bonds to develop typically. We are obligate social species, and our psychological mechanisms expect social bonds. Im offended by ur interpretation of her work.
This is exactly why you should know big pharma and the medical industry does not have your best interests at heart. Or else how could these dirtbags show up to work every day and take part in shit like this. Every child that died in their hand were murdered PERIOD! I would have stole all those kids from those evil fks..
i know that both parents want to go to work but i think it is a must that some one raises the child til at least old enough for school because the detachment issues later on will cause alot of suffering for you and your child
This absoloutley awful. This experiment was so unessarcery that it's not even funny. We already know that kids get messed up when they lack care or nourishment. We don't need like 100 babies to suffer just to prove it. Imagine how they feel. Alone. Cold. Probaly hungrey. And the whole time no one to love them. This is so frigging cruel. I hope everyone who conducted this can suffer as much as those poor children did.
It looks like some kind of sick experiment they did in the 50's. And what was the reason they were deprived from their mothers?? I feel very sorry for those kids! My heart cries for them.
Did they get these children from some poor country? That is what i found to be most disturbing about it. Parents are best but even a simple touch from a stranger is better than no touch at all.
@littlefishkid Imagine a man who's been a victim of sexual abuse reading that. Because boys are sexually abused almost as often as girls.
Imagine growing up being a victim of sexual abuse, and against sexual abuse, just to be told later on in life "oh. Well you're a male, so you MUST be a pedophile/rapist/etc." It's like calling a Holocaust survivor a "Nazi".
When you think about it is your job worth more than your child?
Mothers or fathers have a responsibility to look affter their young, so if you have a kid one of you stay at home and look after it until its ready to attend schooling or preschooling otherwise regardless of who you get to watch them your a bad parent for not being ABLE to parent your child.
Its true, the say that "once you have a child your life is over" but its meaning is that your life takes 2nd place and the child comes first
@Faylum1 Okay this is the 2000's, And with this type of economey, Mothers can no longer afford to stay at home, if they want a nice living. Now that dosnt mean just find some random person to watch and care for your child. You need to have someone that you know you can trust. I just recently started working again, after being a stay at home mom for 3 years. And I take very much offensie to that, I am not a bad mother, I am trying to make a better life for my children.
You know i thought it was still the 1800's. Tbh im lucky enough not to ruin my life with a kid, so i dont really care about your boring story or your reasons. Your fault if you wana live a life with better than average luxuries. If your complaining about work you could have done some back to education course from home or from your local area and gotten paid equivalent money to if you were working and you'd be learning something.
@Faylum1 Well first, my children are the best thing that has ever happend to me. My life is far far from ruined. 2 What makes you think I do not already take online cources. Shows how little you know about me! And I dont think you have any right to voice your opinion on a subject you know nothing about. If you have never been a stay at home mom you can't sit there and accuse mothers of being bad mothers, You shouldn't make any judgment if you have no children of your own.
The purpose of the internet is to voice your opinion on anything you want without being told otherwise. I dont have to respect you cause you went and got knocked up, nor do i give a shit about your boring, uninteresting life. And regardless of what you say, having had your kids has held you back in more ways than you are aware of in life and will continue to with no reward, for many years more. Kids are immature humans that will grow up to abuse the world and everyone in it!
@Faylum1 Never did I say respect me, I dont care about your respect, it seems you are the type of person that respects no one, Including your self. Having children dosnt ruin your life unless you let it, My children are my world and you can sit here and say whatever you want, my mind will never change. They are rewarding every single day, with ever new sound and face. Every new thing they learn is beyond rewarding to watch, To see them go from immature to mature.
Totally sick to experiment with a human life like this. Jeez...how would the doctors like to be locked up in a room for a year or two with no social contact whatsoever!
1952? I think the 50s was the time when society wanted mothers to stay at home. It was part of the idea to try to get women back in the home after WWII since they were out and about working men's jobs because they were at war. I personally call this experiment highly biased. But that's just my opinion. But personally, I choose not to have children since I DO want to work and have a life, goals, and dreams. It's hard to travel the world with a baby on your back.
@JBFAN241050 Just so you know? The medical system hasn't gotten ANY more civilized since then. Look up "Judge rotenburg center" and don't trust anything on their website, read the criticism OF judge rotenburg center first because they are VERY convincing at spreading propaganda.
Also, this experiment is sick. Who the hell would decide to leave their children to an experiment like this. This was long before there were standards for experiments.
@Roth314 I don't think those "standards" really effect anything, since many kids in government-run foster care are treated worse than Gitmo detainees. They are whipped, beaten, tied to restraint boards for days at a time, put in straight jackets and sent to isolation rooms for "nagging" or "not making their bed on time". The government lets them get away with it by saying "OH we use THOSE when the children are harming themself or others". That's all they need to say, and no investigation is done
@KingRadbadical1988 I am not talking about standards for foster care or anything like that. I will be honest, I know little about the foster care system. I am talking about the experiment the children in the video were in. In the 1950s, there was no ethics board for experiments. If scientists tried to do that experiment today, they would be arrested.
@Roth314 Oh, yes, that is true...I think....yeah I think it is.
I think they'd make a big deal out of it, definitely would. Or would they? I honestly don't know.
I mean...look at how 20 children die every year in "restraint holds". Suffocated to death. And they have the nerve to go on about how the children "had to be restrained" because "they were harming themselves or others".
These children are as young as 7 and SURELY could have been held by the arms until they calmed down.
This experiment is sick, sure, but the way the U.S. government treats foster kids is just as sick, and the news hardly EVER talks about THAT as much as it should be talked about.
Same with the restraint holds. If 20 children died and the mainstream news didn't even mention it, what makes you think that the news would report it if an experiment like this were to go on?
How do you know for a fact that experiments like this are not going on right now?
My mom stayed home with my two older brothers, but when she was pregnant with me, she realized that she did not want to be a stay at home mom forever, especially when we were all in school. My mother started back to college, and I went to two wonderful daycares. I am still in touch with one of the women who cared for me. As long as you look into where you are leaving your children and you don't put your children there right after birth, it's not some horrible ordeal.
Look plain & simple, If women aren't able to quit their jobs or be able to stay home. Then they don't need to be having children! Why have a kid for someone else to raise for you. And I am COMPLETELY AGAINST celebrities with all these nannies. Hello, us normal people have to take the full responsibility for taking care of our own kids why can't you guys?! I used to babysit for a working mom, our daughters were the exact same age, 1. Mine could walk using furniture and hers couldn't even stand.
@cmethrough CORRECTION..I started B-sitting for a working mom, our daughters were the same age, 1 year old. Mine could walk using furniture & hers couldn't even stand on it's own legs very well even while holding it letting it stand on your lap. I suppose that's the effects of a mom who's never there to work with it. But what I really feel bad about is having a relationship w/ her husband while she was at work & on weekends when he would give an excuse of going to friends to watch games. Eeeek.
i agree.. They looked like they havent been in any human contact... Not that they need their mother.. And what is this and experiment? to try and prove they NEED the mother? When what they really need it human contact? So sad.
You know... Whomever was with these children seemed to diliberately deprive the children in an attempt to carry out an EXPEREMENT!! How could someone just film this like nothing... Never even hold and give affection to these infants!!
Parents seem to NEED to drive that expensive car/truck and live in that expensive house, so they dump their children off at daycare and "school" for someone else to care for while they go off to make the cash to pay for those THINGS they want more than their child. And you ask WHY we have so many ppl nowdays who have no remorse, no concern for others...Complete attachment messes?? Ugh...
I'm very fortunate that I am able to take my 5 and 7 year old to work with me. However, I think it's rediculous to make a single parent feel like an inadequate parent for taking their child to daycare and/or a babysitter. This video is obviously NOT from any recent date.
these are sad, but how old are these clips. And it doesn't seem like they are in a home environment it seem as if they are in a hospital. I'm not a stay at home mom, i am a single mom and my children have been in daycare for a while. I have to work and can't find work from home so there for they have to go to daycare. I wish I could stay home with them, but we are all not so lucky.
@jmc15250421 I'm on you side sister! I'm also a single working mother and will NOT be made to feel bad just because my kids have had to go to sitters and daycares. It's a no win situation. You're either a bad mother for leaving them or your a low life for sitting on your ass and not supporting your kids.
@pighappiness mothers are more important than fathers in the 1st year of babies life by nature.Dads become increasinly mportant the older the child becomes but mothers are by design the primary nuturer of the children..Donty blame fathers blame your creator
@pighappiness Porque los postulados de René Spitz hablan de un vinculo de la Madre con el Hijo; donde el niño (en su primer año de vida) ve a la madre como un objeto libidinal. Cuando este vinculo es interrumpido (por varias patologias de la madre hacia su hijo), éste es capaz de enfermarse. Lo que se conoce como Depresión Anaclítica u Hospitalismo; claros ejemplos del video. El vincunlo del padre con el niño es diferente, no tan profundo. Sorry I dont speak english.
@Obataladance Oh Please! You can be a mother and work. I do it. If you'd like to pay my bills and feed and clothe my children, by all means I'd be happy to sit at home with my kids all day. Grow up!
My baby is 18 months old and since he was born he is next to me 24 hours a day. I trust no one with my baby. Babies should be the first priority for all women. I love at night when he pass his little hand through his bed next to mine and we both sleep holding hands.
@Obataladance Sounds more like maternal gatekeeping in your case. You don't trust the baby with the father? My my you sound arrogant. Babies should be the first priority for PARENTS, period. This outdated 60 year old study has already been thoroughly dismissed and recoined as paternal deprivation. It's also been proven that both a father and mother both contributing is how a child best thrives. If you decide to minimize the father's involvement, you can find yourself in jail and rightfully so.
What a bunch of a**holes those poor baby's. Here they are trying to prove why moms should stay home and they go to work day after day watching these poor baby's reaching their arms for someone to love them. I hope they all rot in hell. Where was this tapes. What company allowed this horrible test. I cant believe those nurses (women) could watch that day after day and not bawl. So sad, pisses me off, Hope they all come back as terd lice.
not really. It just shows that babies need to be shown love and need to be cared for. While i was growing up, my mom had to work because my idiot dad divorced her and went with a younger chick, but i digress...my grandma raised me most of the time and i turned out ok. Babies just need human contact and interaction, something that the video highlights as the center of the study.
Emm... sorry but, in first stance, these babies were studied from an orphanage, not a hospital. They were selected because they maniphest typical pathologycal features and these are scientists, not a human care society, It was thanks to these studies that we now know most of child disorder signs and symptoms. Though I see your point... Sorry, but I´m a student of psychology, hope my comment helps
This wasn't a test; it was an observational documentary. In the old days we used to send the babies who had no mothers or sufficient care-taker to orphanages. Unfortunately, we did not know that neglect resulted in this sad, abnormal behavior in infants. Nurses and doctors thought it was ok to leave children and babies alone and only take care of the physical needs. It is sad and I understand your anger. Thankfully, this was actually the film that changed how children were treated.
Every baby needs nurturing from someone! I was a preemie; they wouldn't let me out of the hospital for a month after I was born. And they wouldn't let my mom stay their, either. That wasn't the worst; she died when I was still a child. I had to "patchwork" love from a lot of people, but I managed to do so. Doesn't have to be the biological mom, either, just so long as someone loves the kid.
This video is horrible! Why would they not pick those babies up and love them? I am a stay at home mom that cares for my niece full time(50 hrs a week) her mother works and loves her job. I don't understand why we don't stop talking and take action! If a mother cannot be there full time why not share the love every mother has extra of in her heart!
Aún si estuviera en un hospital, o en un orfanato, eso no justifica que el bebé del final haya sido dejado a su suerte para deteriorarse de esa forma.
This is the most discusting crap I have ever seen!! WHY? These poor babys! I hope all wer found out and rott in hell for doing this! How could you!!!!
ooook......so they deprived these babies of a loving enviroment for a propaganda video to keep women ou of the work force....what about stay at home dads?
I think what they really did to these babies was deprive them of any nurturing at all wether it be mother or father. they probably just fed, bathed and changed the baby with no emotional bond whatsoever.
I agree with most of the comments, that they didn't have to be like this, if even the person filming it had given some affection and attention to these babies, instead of watching them suffer. How inhumane!
sad...just sad....it is good for children to be with their mothers but i dont think all mothers need to be stay at home moms...and those children i hope might have been been better if someone would interact with them...when my mother went 2 jail when my third youngest sis was only like 4-4.5 month she had my grandma,grandpa,me and my other sister...she turned out perfectly fine...she may have had speech problems but the speech ppl or whatever they are said it had nothing to do with my mom being.
The kids didn't need a mom...they needed the dumb fucker behind the camera. That would have been enough. Instead they were robbed of their fucking existence.
This made me feel like reaching through the screen and holding onto all of those babies. That is so terrible. On one hand it's unjust and on the other it's valuable research. NONE of them should have been put through this and NONE of them should have died. I would say this man did something great in terms of letting us understand the development and importance, but sadistic to watch those children suffer and see the outcome. It's just wrong.
infact it's a cruel experiment, but isn't worth? it's necessary for all of us to understand the impact in our kids our behaviours, if this theories weren't proved you would see that kids aren't happy you say shoted i say tha they(René Spitz, John Bowlby and Mary Ainsworth) should be acclaimed!
I would like to see what happened to these children, I don't think it was worth it, those babies are just as valuable as mine or yours, how would you feel if it was your child left like this to be experimented on?
if any, on the paternal side. Fahters need to bond with their babies as well when they come home from work. I was fortunate to have both my parents be there for my proper development while many of my peers didn't have their fathers around much because their fathers always worked or don't live in the same household. Yes, both my parents worked but my sibblings & I grew up fine. The mother is usually the 1st to bond w/her child, but don't leave the father out, they are the other half.
I totally agree that a mother should stay home w/their babies during the 1st several years of their lives if they have adequate financial resources (ideal homelife condiions). But, this is not always the case w/every family; things happens which may force the mother to work outside the home. Let's not forget about the fathers because it entails balance in the proper development of the child. Society tends to focused too much on the maternal side of the family unit, but no or very little focus--
I don't think a mother should necessarily be a stay at home mom until the child goes away. While the child is a baby, sure. But I think once the child goes to school, I think the woman should be able to go back to work. I know plenty of my friends whose mothers have worked, and they've turned out fine. Not all women are called to be stay at home moms- mine certainly wasn't!
No, they didn't do an experimentjust to study the effects of children deprived of their mothers. This is footage from one man studying the overall effects of insitutional rearinf of infants. Back then (1950s) after wartimes there would be a surplus of children in orphanages and the effects were not fully understood. Other researchers were conducting experiments on other primates, but this video by Rene Spitz helped people to see and understand the terrible effects of infant isolation.
I am very impressed about the interesting comments to this famous video. The pictures still touch me very haveyly though I am occupied with those Problems since long time professionally and privately. It is an experiance to see those children and other children in everyday life, because you can feel what they feel. It is a great question, why parents can be so cruel to their children without realizing this. My mother gave me to here sister without need when I was 8 Months old for three months.
You see, in those days they didn't want parents to visit. (so as not to "worry" the child!) My parents came once or twice a week (they were only allowed to stay one hour). They just didn't understand the importance of the BOND between parents and child in those days! (also, they thought a bed, food and medical "care" would be enough!)
Sososososoo what youre saying these children werent perposly taken away from their family, they were there so they filmed them to try and change things and the footage is being used in the wrong context? Which meeeans that this vidio really is not proof mothers should stay at home because putting youre child in day nursery for a a few hours a week is not the same as only seeing them for an hour a week.
Yes. This is a VERY famous film from 1952 by doctor Réne Spitz (suppose it's longer though.) It helped change the whole view of children! (and how important mums and dads are.) In Sweden it led to that parents were allowed to even LIVE with their children in the hospital!(of course mostly mothers could do it.) You can read about it in for instance the book "A Secure Base" by doctor John Bowlby. (he worked together with Spitz.)
Actually, what this film is REALLy showing is children in hospitals in 1952! (some of the clips may be from orphanages.) So the filming staff couldn't take them home! (since the children were ill.) I was in a hospital myself in 1952 (I was 2 y.o. by the time) and I remember those big beds with bars! (felt like a prison cell.) This film helped change the whole view of children in hospitals!
Why can't the father stay home? I can understand why someone wouldn't want to put their child in daycares or with a babysitter or nanny...but whats wrong with the father watching the child. Kinda sexist, don't you think? BTW my Mother wasn't able to stay with me because some people actually have no choice but to work...and I turned out just fine.
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not all mothers need to work to make ends meet, they are just being selfish especially asian women. they don't want to be labelled as ignorant and aunties. leaving the children with maids. children being looked after by their mothers and those who are not. you can tell the different.
This concept would work great if our wonderful economy didn't leave hundreds of thousands of single mothers to work as many as 3 jobs to support their child(ren). I think a child would appreciate having food more than hugs and attention later in life.
When children are neglected ANYONE who has any decency should step in and take care of and love, cuddle, feed and care for that baby. Anyone who doesn't do this is down right evil.
I personally know people who have neglected their children by going to work all day and leaving their kids with whoever is available; family, friends, daycare, school.
they're not using them as LAB RATS. This video is part of a great research project that Spitz (a Psychoanalist) did with children that lost their mother since the first months of their life. We all should thank this people if now we know a lot more about premature lost of the primary attachment figure.
Technicaly they are using these babies as lab rats. If a child looses its mother that young it should be imediately provided a "substitute" to nurture them ... these babies were not. they wanted to see what would happen. Yes great for learning, however, anyone tries to do this now a days they would be arrested imediately! This is disgusting. I want to know how these scientists could just sit by and watch this.
You say great research i say child abuse!!! Thank these people what for? Causing healthy children to develop mental ilnesses for no reason. I'm sorry but it is absouloutly sick actaully makes me want to vomit. It's not the lack of the mother that made these children this way!! Many young babys are adopted etc Its the lack of attention full stop!! Basically these IDIOTS! Thats what they are IDIOTS! wanted to see what would happen if a child had no emotional contact! Thats fricken obvious!
Compleatly unessasry and cruel. I'd like someone to let me know why and HOW they can support it??? Sending your child to daycare wouldnt make your child like this, ignoring them and leaving them in their cot all day would. I think it's shocking that this video is being used to make aprents feel guilty its twisted!
This surely is a tendentious material - I'm sure these children weren't left by their moms for 8 hours a day and under tender care of their grandmothers or aunts. Do not show it like that.
mniemanologia, babies typically are not left under the care of their grandmothers, etc..., but, rather, dumped into some day care center with strangers. The babies grow up thus, unloved and uncared for as they should be. As far as your use of the word, "tendentious", the whole theme of this video is, on the contrary, grossly understated so as not to offend.
This was disturbing to see. Were these children actually abandoned by their mothers and used like lab rats until they died instead of being adopted out? Guessing by the film, this was way before 1973. So it appears we have been abusing and neglecting babies for longer than 35 years. The fact that our society doesn't seem to be getting any better about their respect for children-our future-really scares me.
Sadly, it appears (superficially, at least) that you are correct. The film from which these excerpts were taken was made in 1952, according to the credits at the start. Philosophy departments reject these films and experiments for ethical reasons (tickling babies of various ages to guage reactions to touch is OK, though). Perhaps the doctors involved weren't Mengele types, but this still looks rather inhumane.
Child neglect, abuse and abandonment did not begin or end with Roe v Wade in 1973.
Emotional stress (AKA "psychogenic disease") has since been proven non-fatal. Infants are more resilient than many people believe. Not sure why the babies in the video died, though (physical neglect/abuse?) - I believed in this phenomenon until I studied it at university.
Emotional neglect can have negative consequences, so the video is not entirely without merit. Such children take longer to bond with and trust people.
Post-natal depression can lead to such detachment. This is completely separate from the abortion debate - these children were usually planned and wanted, but hormonal changes do occur. Some mothers are over-protective of their offspring - this is hormonal, too.
I know of many families where the mother is the main 'breadwinner'. Once their child is weaned, they return to work, usually leaving their progeny in the care of family or relatives.
The best-laid plans can go astray - parents get sick and die, divorce happens, money is a very big issue, and it can take two incomes to merely provide the essentials. Post-natal depression affects many women, too, preventing them from properly bonding with their child.
Australia currently has a reasonable tax-funded public health system, but a "free-trade" agreement with the US will soon see medical costs soar.
Personally, I think most moms would rather stay at home with their children. But life doesnt always work that way. I think that people who talk like moms have that choice are out of touch with the majority of the public. Not everyone who has children has a diligent husband out making 100,000 a year to support them.If the single mom doesnt work,her kids dont have health insurance.
My boyfriend's father actually wanted to stay home and raise him. And so he and his wife worked it out and she continued working and he stayed home with his two sons. I know a lot of women will want to be stay at home moms rather than dads, I guess that's just how society is these days.
i am a stay home mom, and it was my choice to quit my job when my 1st was born. my husband doesn't make $100K a year, (he didn't even make $45K when i first had my daughter). we both bust our asses, make sacrifices, and do odd jobs to make it work. the problem is that most working moms don't make the sacrifices necessary in today's society to make it work. my life isn't easy financially, but my kids are awesome and well cared for.
Are you a single mom? No? Then you are able to make the choice to stay at home with your children because there is another parent able to provide the income part of it. If you were a single mom then you probably would have to work a lot to raise your kids. That's what he was talking about I think.
actually, i provide income as well. i have an at-home business. if i didn't have my husband, i would rely on the help of friends and family to help watch the kids for 1-2 days a week. even single mothers have options. it's just a matter of searching and sacrifice.
this might sound mean, but maybe that's why it's important to wait until you are in a healthy relationship before you produce offspring. humans are pack mammals, which means we need to be in large packs/families
well, although i wouldn't abort, i do respect that you wouldn't bring a baby into this world until you are ready and capable to support one.
i also sympathize with you, as i feel the same about my own mother. that's probably why i'm trying so hard for my kids so that they grow up healthy and happy, as i wish i had. (sometimes i'm unsure HOW to be a good mom, since i didn't have the best role model. i've had to look to other mothers that i respect for inspiration.)
Yeah. I don't know if or when I will ever be ready for a child. I just don't feel that I have that same maternal instinct other women seem to have. (I'm pretty selfish and hate sharing things...)
My mom is like that. She had a horrible mother when she was younger and I think she went a little overboard with me and my brothers. She tries to make sure we have everything we could possibly ever need/want in our lives. I think that added to my personal selfishness.
I disagree with expecting only the mother to stay home with the child. I think fathers play just as a much of a vital role in the child's development as the mother does. I think BOTH parents should find time to be with their children outside of work. I agree with the first commenter, it doesn't matter who stays home with the baby, mom OR dad so long as it has one parent with it throughout the day before it starts school.
the only reason mothers are "expected" is because the mother is the only one with the chemical bond to their child. also, breastfeeding is another important part of infant development, and a man is not capable of providing that.
Chemical bond? That's a lie. My mother never felt bonded towards me or my brother. After she gave birth to us she became extremely depressed and even more so after we refused to breast feed. In a way she resented us is what she told me. Breastfeeding isn't necessary at all for infant development, but if you truly want the child to have the breast milk it can be pumped out and the father can feed the child through a bottle.
chemical bonds aren't a lie, and i'm sorry you feel your mom never bonded with you.
many mothers try to breastfeed,but give up because it is too painful,then blame it on the child.
but, if breastfeeding isn't going well 99.9% of the time it is the mother's "fault". i breastfed my son, i latched him wrong, & it was a painful bloody mess. then i relatched, and was fine.
I've bonded with my mother fine in the past 18 years or so. She just told me that she never felt bonded to either of us when we were born. I never noticed though and it hasn't affected me in any way. I did fine without breastfeeding. I'm a healthy, active human being now.
Oh and we WOULDN'T latch. My mom even went to one of those ladies who try and help them get their babies to latch and it still didn't work. I dunno. I don't blame her for not breastfeeding me because I could really care less.
My own mother suffered from post-natal depression. Whether it affected me in the long-term, I have no idea. It is not something that can be prevented.
People are marrying later in life now - this allows them to build up assets to give their children a more secure future. This generation has grown up with divorce, waiting to marry ensures greater maturity and less likely marital failure.
Yeah. I don't really don't know, or even think that my mother's post natal depression affected me. Perhaps at the time it bothered me but I can't remember nowadays anyways.
I think it's a great thing that people are waiting to marry later in life. I plan to do the same. My parents divorced when I was only 7 and I have to say THAT really affected me. If I ever choose to have a family I want it to be with someone that I know I love and will be able to last with.
I was also 7 years old when my parents divorced - in hindsight it was probably for the best, but as a child I didn't see it that way.
Above all else, Children need security and stability.
I wouldn't have sex with anyone who wasn't a *potential* life-partner. But that's just me, I do not expect others to do the same. And I do want children, so abortion is unlikely to affect me personally.
Just hope you won't be too old to have healthy children, if any at all. Too many of us have bought the Hollywood lie that you can be in your 40's and still not "ready for a family".
In defense of young women like myself, men are often interested in marriage too late from the vantage point of a woman's fertility. I've been involved in several church singles groups. Most of those women didn't care about their careers; they were single because a man never asked them to get married.
breastmilk IS important for infant development. children who are formula fed have more allergies, immunity problems, slower brain and motor development.
hormones are nature's way of making sure the mother doesn't abandon the baby after birth. humans are helpless for several years of their life, so nature has put these safeguards in place. but, medications, abuse, depression, now hindered the natural process of our bodies.
Hormones eh? Last I checked teenage girls were giving birth and dumping their babies into trash cans or drowning them in toilets. I've heard on the news about mothers drowning all of their kids in a bath tub and mothers who stick their infants in microwaves. Where were the hormones there? Yes, let's blame it on the drugs we use every day of our lives. Blame the vaccinations and other medical treatments meant to protect us from diseases.
look at the lives of those mothers. most of them have been victims to severe emotional, mental, or physical abuse. abuse changes the brain receptors for rational thought, & chemical/hormonal production. when this is altered, then no amount of hormones released during pregnancy and birth can counter-act the damage that has been caused to these mothers.
in short, those mothers have been f****d up to the point where they feel it's their only option for survival.
I never did breastfeed. I did not have any more problems than any other kid did. My youngest brother breast fed though and he gets sick all the time. He's always complaining of a runny nose and allergies. It might just be hereditary or something (we have different dads). I think everyone is different whether we breastfeed or not. Some of us will have more allergies than others and some of us won't. I don't think it has anything to do with whether or not you were breastfed as an infant.
If I showed a child being tortured/neglected/murdered by the parents that dont want him but had him anyway because the chruch told them to, you would think I was nuts. but for some reason, it's ok to disgust and horrify people into subscribing to your agenda. I would try to find some of the HUGE amount of child porn out there to show you what happens to unwanted children born to parents who chose not to abort, but collecting videos of victimised children is your hobby, not mine.
If any of you so-called do gooders REALLY cared about any of this you would work on getting socialized medicine in this so-called "family values" country so that u.s. parents like Canadian parents could get a year off for maternity leave. It's so easy to put up some wack out of date movie but so hard to actually put your money where your mouth is.
xenahead, I saw micheal moores movie as well. Socialized medicine can't work in a country where doctors charge 500% more than other countries, and drugs are 1000 times more expensive than other countries are charged. When the numbers are ran with these figures, It truly would bankrupt the government.I am for socialised medicine. It just will never happen here.All moores movie did was inform me that I have to move if I get cancer.
Know why? Because we have millions of illegal immigrants that are using the health care system to their advantage and not paying into it. That is why the US health care system is garbage. If the immigrants become citizens and start paying into the system then doctors wouldn't have to charge so much money (just to make money). And I hate Michael Moore. He lies in his films all the time. I am not for socialized medicine and never will be.
The failure of Canada's experiment with socialist medicine is readily apparent: long waiting lists and wait times for specialized services, conveyor-belt treatment for routine services, chronic shortages of family doctors and hospital beds, gross inefficiencies, slow innovation, and stifling and wasteful bureaucracies.
It's still illegal in Canada for private healthcare providers to compete with the government monopoly as well. Only North Korea and Cuba—two impoverished, brutal, communist dictatorships—still retain such restrictions. Ridiculous if you ask me. But if people truly want socialized health care I say don't illegalize private health care. Make both options available for people to choose.
Hi i am a full time stay at home mom to my 3 yr old son, and i plan on getting a job once hes in school, my husband also works. Anyways my opinion of this whol matter is, if you are a single mom who really needs money to support ur children then thats when it should be ok for a mother to work, but if your with ur boyfriend or husband then the man should work while the wife stays home with the children.
I find your videos very interesting. They seem to spurn a great deal of debate which is a good thing. I am a stay at home Mom who has sacrificed to do this, but I am so thankful that I made the decision to raise my two beautiful children, to watch them grow every step of the way.
Hello AndromedaMariaCarmem and thank you for watching. There are many good work-at-home opportunities for stay-at-home-mothers nowadays where they can still be close to their kids and still operate a part or even full time internet business. There is a critical period in a baby's life where they really need their mother's presence, love and caring attention to develop properly.
Plenty kids are lovingly cared for by others than their mum. Plenty of children are horribly abused by a stay-at-home-mum, too. There is no one-size-fits all formula for raising kids except to love and care for them properly. This antiquated film of fussy or lethargic institutionalized kids proves nothing.
Turandot29, thank you for watching, but I respectively disagree. There is no substitute for a mother's love. The baby knows when the mother is missing. Little babies are very sensitive to not being loved. Sure, a grandmother's love or aunt's love can make up for it to some degree, but the baby still asks, "Where is my Mommy?". Some women have severe hardships and cannot be there with the baby, however, many have the opportunity to be with the baby and do not accept the opportunity.
They don't accept the opportunity because they have to go to work to make money to feed and clothe the little crumb cruncher if they can't do that they should press the abort button instead of brining another bastard into the world that I will be arresting in a few years.
The point is a child needs nurture and contact with a primary caregiver-- mother, father or surrogate. When this film was made it was generally thought food, shelter and perhaps education were the only real needs of children. We know now that affirmation, nurture and loving guidance are as critical to human development and well-being as food and water.
healingmusic100 1 week ago
emotionally disturbing to say the least....seriously, this is horrifying..human testing like this....how awful.
choochbag1 3 weeks ago
what will happen to these kids when they grow up? will they still be "just" a biological human with no social skills what so ever? will they be able to function in this world?
pighappiness 1 month ago
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You block me all the time because I will always call you out for your LIES!!!!!!!
1ssny 2 months ago
i don't get it? either way... a man is just as capable of staying home.
parchementandquills 4 months ago
This was from the 50's? After WWI the government tried to get all the working moms back in the homes so the returning veterans could have jobs, so they made this video to guilt trip the women into it. I'm sure that leaving your baby alone for hours on end isn't a good idea, but these children look deprived of all human contact, not just because their moms went to work.
This is just 50's propaganda.
What about all the single working moms or mothers who are ill or dead? Are they bad parents?
TheMonthofMayo 4 months ago
@TheMonthofMayo no, this was an experiment done by spitz to show the need for attachment in infants for proper development.
pitthousing12345 1 month ago
@pitthousing12345 okay, sure, but why is it only targeted at the mothers? Why not the fathers, grandparents, aunts, older siblings? There are plenty of people in the child's life besides the mother, and in some cases the mother isn't in the picture, and the baby grows up all right.
TheMonthofMayo 1 month ago
the fuck is this?? there's no sound what am i supposed to get from this!?
HeatherHeavenly 6 months ago
@HeatherHeavenly reading skill improvement :p
pitthousing12345 1 month ago
The commentary in this video is highly inflammatory. These children have the "wrong kind of relationships with their mothers"...because the children are orphans. They were raised in overcrowded orphanages after WW II. These films were made to *document* the result of inappropriate attachment---they were neither a research experiment nor an indictment against working mothers. These films resulted in tremendous research on infant social-emotional development & validated the need for quality care.
houseofbeso 10 months ago 4
poor baby's tht they used for this its fukin sick!!!
weelinzygee 11 months ago
You know, people--but especially guys/fathers, who say "mothers should stay at home with their kids" are basically saying, "I, as a man, am completely incapable of raising my own children, because men are unfeeling, cold creatures".
HoneyNVinegar 1 year ago 2
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When Rene Spitz was conducting research, the common view was that attachment was "the bond between mother and child".. subsequent research has shown this attachment to be between any caretaker. We need to form bonds in a critical period between 9-3 years.The real message is not that mothers need to stay home but that humans need to form bonds to develop typically. We are obligate social species, and our psychological mechanisms expect social bonds. Im offended by ur interpretation of her work.
Kylafication 1 year ago
Also, I want to say that many studies, which massive intentional stress is produced, are now outlawed.
There are many studies done in the 50s that can't be done now.
Yet some studies of depredation come from criminal acts
awalkalongmingocreek 1 year ago
Who Is Videoing this?!
LittleBlondeGirl123 1 year ago
I am a Mr, Mom my wife brings home the bacon and I care for our daughter due to the economy.
NWOpartycrasher 1 year ago 8
what became of these poor children?
rice3y 1 year ago
This is exactly why you should know big pharma and the medical industry does not have your best interests at heart. Or else how could these dirtbags show up to work every day and take part in shit like this. Every child that died in their hand were murdered PERIOD! I would have stole all those kids from those evil fks..
MrSokitumi 1 year ago
i know that both parents want to go to work but i think it is a must that some one raises the child til at least old enough for school because the detachment issues later on will cause alot of suffering for you and your child
cervelo105 1 year ago
This absoloutley awful. This experiment was so unessarcery that it's not even funny. We already know that kids get messed up when they lack care or nourishment. We don't need like 100 babies to suffer just to prove it. Imagine how they feel. Alone. Cold. Probaly hungrey. And the whole time no one to love them. This is so frigging cruel. I hope everyone who conducted this can suffer as much as those poor children did.
hope99smile 1 year ago
I would argue for a stay-at-home parent, not necessarily the mother.
NusquamNihil 1 year ago
It looks like some kind of sick experiment they did in the 50's. And what was the reason they were deprived from their mothers?? I feel very sorry for those kids! My heart cries for them.
sylviab1 1 year ago
Oh mein Gott :( Wie traurig das ist! Ich könnte weinen :'(
SeiinePriincessiinx3 1 year ago
Heartbreaking to watch, I won't watch it all....
CanadaLarry 1 year ago
That looks like baby prison, stark white, bars and babies left to cry alone. Not much wonder so many of them die.
thekenniewitch 1 year ago
Did they get these children from some poor country? That is what i found to be most disturbing about it. Parents are best but even a simple touch from a stranger is better than no touch at all.
Loves2Laugh34 1 year ago
NO!!! the reason moms should stay home is because the dads are so fucked up and take advantage
littlefishkid 1 year ago
@littlefishkid Imagine a man who's been a victim of sexual abuse reading that. Because boys are sexually abused almost as often as girls.
Imagine growing up being a victim of sexual abuse, and against sexual abuse, just to be told later on in life "oh. Well you're a male, so you MUST be a pedophile/rapist/etc." It's like calling a Holocaust survivor a "Nazi".
KingRadbadical1988 1 year ago 2
@littlefishkid With a comment like that, you should be prohibited from having kids.
booooboooo2010 1 year ago
this is child abuse using infants as experiments
972trev 1 year ago 2
When you think about it is your job worth more than your child?
Mothers or fathers have a responsibility to look affter their young, so if you have a kid one of you stay at home and look after it until its ready to attend schooling or preschooling otherwise regardless of who you get to watch them your a bad parent for not being ABLE to parent your child.
Its true, the say that "once you have a child your life is over" but its meaning is that your life takes 2nd place and the child comes first
Faylum1 1 year ago
@Faylum1 Okay this is the 2000's, And with this type of economey, Mothers can no longer afford to stay at home, if they want a nice living. Now that dosnt mean just find some random person to watch and care for your child. You need to have someone that you know you can trust. I just recently started working again, after being a stay at home mom for 3 years. And I take very much offensie to that, I am not a bad mother, I am trying to make a better life for my children.
Kelseysmyangel 1 year ago
@Kelseysmyangel
TL: DR
You know i thought it was still the 1800's. Tbh im lucky enough not to ruin my life with a kid, so i dont really care about your boring story or your reasons. Your fault if you wana live a life with better than average luxuries. If your complaining about work you could have done some back to education course from home or from your local area and gotten paid equivalent money to if you were working and you'd be learning something.
Faylum1 1 year ago
@Faylum1 Well first, my children are the best thing that has ever happend to me. My life is far far from ruined. 2 What makes you think I do not already take online cources. Shows how little you know about me! And I dont think you have any right to voice your opinion on a subject you know nothing about. If you have never been a stay at home mom you can't sit there and accuse mothers of being bad mothers, You shouldn't make any judgment if you have no children of your own.
Kelseysmyangel 1 year ago
@Kelseysmyangel
The purpose of the internet is to voice your opinion on anything you want without being told otherwise. I dont have to respect you cause you went and got knocked up, nor do i give a shit about your boring, uninteresting life. And regardless of what you say, having had your kids has held you back in more ways than you are aware of in life and will continue to with no reward, for many years more. Kids are immature humans that will grow up to abuse the world and everyone in it!
Faylum1 1 year ago
@Faylum1 Never did I say respect me, I dont care about your respect, it seems you are the type of person that respects no one, Including your self. Having children dosnt ruin your life unless you let it, My children are my world and you can sit here and say whatever you want, my mind will never change. They are rewarding every single day, with ever new sound and face. Every new thing they learn is beyond rewarding to watch, To see them go from immature to mature.
Kelseysmyangel 1 year ago
@Kelseysmyangel
/yawn
Sounds like your a very boring person. Enjoy many more years of boredom
Faylum1 1 year ago
Those doctors should be shot!
Tasbah 1 year ago
Totally sick to experiment with a human life like this. Jeez...how would the doctors like to be locked up in a room for a year or two with no social contact whatsoever!
mrschknfricasee 1 year ago
1952? I think the 50s was the time when society wanted mothers to stay at home. It was part of the idea to try to get women back in the home after WWII since they were out and about working men's jobs because they were at war. I personally call this experiment highly biased. But that's just my opinion. But personally, I choose not to have children since I DO want to work and have a life, goals, and dreams. It's hard to travel the world with a baby on your back.
mmmmmvodka 1 year ago
:( OMG!!
JBFAN241050 1 year ago
@JBFAN241050 Just so you know? The medical system hasn't gotten ANY more civilized since then. Look up "Judge rotenburg center" and don't trust anything on their website, read the criticism OF judge rotenburg center first because they are VERY convincing at spreading propaganda.
KingRadbadical1988 1 year ago
Also, this experiment is sick. Who the hell would decide to leave their children to an experiment like this. This was long before there were standards for experiments.
Roth314 1 year ago 4
@Roth314 I don't think those "standards" really effect anything, since many kids in government-run foster care are treated worse than Gitmo detainees. They are whipped, beaten, tied to restraint boards for days at a time, put in straight jackets and sent to isolation rooms for "nagging" or "not making their bed on time". The government lets them get away with it by saying "OH we use THOSE when the children are harming themself or others". That's all they need to say, and no investigation is done
KingRadbadical1988 1 year ago
@KingRadbadical1988 I am not talking about standards for foster care or anything like that. I will be honest, I know little about the foster care system. I am talking about the experiment the children in the video were in. In the 1950s, there was no ethics board for experiments. If scientists tried to do that experiment today, they would be arrested.
Roth314 1 year ago
@Roth314 Oh, yes, that is true...I think....yeah I think it is.
I think they'd make a big deal out of it, definitely would. Or would they? I honestly don't know.
I mean...look at how 20 children die every year in "restraint holds". Suffocated to death. And they have the nerve to go on about how the children "had to be restrained" because "they were harming themselves or others".
These children are as young as 7 and SURELY could have been held by the arms until they calmed down.
KingRadbadical1988 1 year ago
@Roth314 My point is:
This experiment is sick, sure, but the way the U.S. government treats foster kids is just as sick, and the news hardly EVER talks about THAT as much as it should be talked about.
Same with the restraint holds. If 20 children died and the mainstream news didn't even mention it, what makes you think that the news would report it if an experiment like this were to go on?
How do you know for a fact that experiments like this are not going on right now?
KingRadbadical1988 1 year ago
My mom stayed home with my two older brothers, but when she was pregnant with me, she realized that she did not want to be a stay at home mom forever, especially when we were all in school. My mother started back to college, and I went to two wonderful daycares. I am still in touch with one of the women who cared for me. As long as you look into where you are leaving your children and you don't put your children there right after birth, it's not some horrible ordeal.
Roth314 1 year ago 3
Look plain & simple, If women aren't able to quit their jobs or be able to stay home. Then they don't need to be having children! Why have a kid for someone else to raise for you. And I am COMPLETELY AGAINST celebrities with all these nannies. Hello, us normal people have to take the full responsibility for taking care of our own kids why can't you guys?! I used to babysit for a working mom, our daughters were the exact same age, 1. Mine could walk using furniture and hers couldn't even stand.
cmethrough 1 year ago
@cmethrough CORRECTION..I started B-sitting for a working mom, our daughters were the same age, 1 year old. Mine could walk using furniture & hers couldn't even stand on it's own legs very well even while holding it letting it stand on your lap. I suppose that's the effects of a mom who's never there to work with it. But what I really feel bad about is having a relationship w/ her husband while she was at work & on weekends when he would give an excuse of going to friends to watch games. Eeeek.
cmethrough 1 year ago
i agree.. They looked like they havent been in any human contact... Not that they need their mother.. And what is this and experiment? to try and prove they NEED the mother? When what they really need it human contact? So sad.
mikesw123 1 year ago
You know... Whomever was with these children seemed to diliberately deprive the children in an attempt to carry out an EXPEREMENT!! How could someone just film this like nothing... Never even hold and give affection to these infants!!
kastnmagic 1 year ago
Parents seem to NEED to drive that expensive car/truck and live in that expensive house, so they dump their children off at daycare and "school" for someone else to care for while they go off to make the cash to pay for those THINGS they want more than their child. And you ask WHY we have so many ppl nowdays who have no remorse, no concern for others...Complete attachment messes?? Ugh...
kastnmagic 1 year ago
I'm very fortunate that I am able to take my 5 and 7 year old to work with me. However, I think it's rediculous to make a single parent feel like an inadequate parent for taking their child to daycare and/or a babysitter. This video is obviously NOT from any recent date.
bellaemmamom 1 year ago 2
i would give anything to hold these children and comfort them
tricia101181 1 year ago
these are sad, but how old are these clips. And it doesn't seem like they are in a home environment it seem as if they are in a hospital. I'm not a stay at home mom, i am a single mom and my children have been in daycare for a while. I have to work and can't find work from home so there for they have to go to daycare. I wish I could stay home with them, but we are all not so lucky.
jmc15250421 1 year ago
@jmc15250421 I'm on you side sister! I'm also a single working mother and will NOT be made to feel bad just because my kids have had to go to sitters and daycares. It's a no win situation. You're either a bad mother for leaving them or your a low life for sitting on your ass and not supporting your kids.
bellaemmamom 1 year ago
Did they ever do anything to help these children? I hate it when they just sit there and film for their own scientific 'study.'
xenahead 1 year ago
i cant lie.. i cried.. i hate seeing babies cry!
xm0lissa23x 2 years ago
why only mothers? doesn't the dad have a responsability?
pighappiness 2 years ago 19
@pighappiness OMG Thank you so much for saying that!!!! How come it's always the mother?
bellaemmamom 1 year ago 2
@pighappiness mothers are more important than fathers in the 1st year of babies life by nature.Dads become increasinly mportant the older the child becomes but mothers are by design the primary nuturer of the children..Donty blame fathers blame your creator
bignasxl 11 months ago
@pighappiness Porque los postulados de René Spitz hablan de un vinculo de la Madre con el Hijo; donde el niño (en su primer año de vida) ve a la madre como un objeto libidinal. Cuando este vinculo es interrumpido (por varias patologias de la madre hacia su hijo), éste es capaz de enfermarse. Lo que se conoce como Depresión Anaclítica u Hospitalismo; claros ejemplos del video. El vincunlo del padre con el niño es diferente, no tan profundo. Sorry I dont speak english.
aldack 11 months ago
@pighappiness they are douchebags, and they wanna go and get a new wife
tonyg2012n1 1 month ago
@pighappiness it's really anyone who will allow the child to form an attachment with. the title of this particular video is sexist.
pitthousing12345 1 month ago
Bro.. if you ever find the film, could you let me know? PLEASE?
n0tcreatLve 2 years ago
Please women stay at home with your babies !!! Be a mother not just a life giver !
Obataladance 2 years ago
@Obataladance Oh Please! You can be a mother and work. I do it. If you'd like to pay my bills and feed and clothe my children, by all means I'd be happy to sit at home with my kids all day. Grow up!
bellaemmamom 1 year ago 2
My baby is 18 months old and since he was born he is next to me 24 hours a day. I trust no one with my baby. Babies should be the first priority for all women. I love at night when he pass his little hand through his bed next to mine and we both sleep holding hands.
Obataladance 2 years ago
@Obataladance Sounds more like maternal gatekeeping in your case. You don't trust the baby with the father? My my you sound arrogant. Babies should be the first priority for PARENTS, period. This outdated 60 year old study has already been thoroughly dismissed and recoined as paternal deprivation. It's also been proven that both a father and mother both contributing is how a child best thrives. If you decide to minimize the father's involvement, you can find yourself in jail and rightfully so.
booooboooo2010 1 year ago
@Obataladance agree totally!!
gunesgun 6 months ago
What a bunch of a**holes those poor baby's. Here they are trying to prove why moms should stay home and they go to work day after day watching these poor baby's reaching their arms for someone to love them. I hope they all rot in hell. Where was this tapes. What company allowed this horrible test. I cant believe those nurses (women) could watch that day after day and not bawl. So sad, pisses me off, Hope they all come back as terd lice.
00lilprincess 2 years ago
not really. It just shows that babies need to be shown love and need to be cared for. While i was growing up, my mom had to work because my idiot dad divorced her and went with a younger chick, but i digress...my grandma raised me most of the time and i turned out ok. Babies just need human contact and interaction, something that the video highlights as the center of the study.
eddymann04 2 years ago 23
@eddymann04 same thing w/ me...
fairboy13 1 year ago
@eddymann04 Family can stand in for Mom , but not institutions
midsummernight2009 10 months ago
@eddymann04 with respect mate ,your dad is a douchebag asshole, and so are any of those types of girls like the one he married
tonyg2012n1 1 month ago
Emm... sorry but, in first stance, these babies were studied from an orphanage, not a hospital. They were selected because they maniphest typical pathologycal features and these are scientists, not a human care society, It was thanks to these studies that we now know most of child disorder signs and symptoms. Though I see your point... Sorry, but I´m a student of psychology, hope my comment helps
GangrenaD 2 years ago 2
This wasn't a test; it was an observational documentary. In the old days we used to send the babies who had no mothers or sufficient care-taker to orphanages. Unfortunately, we did not know that neglect resulted in this sad, abnormal behavior in infants. Nurses and doctors thought it was ok to leave children and babies alone and only take care of the physical needs. It is sad and I understand your anger. Thankfully, this was actually the film that changed how children were treated.
BloodyBeauty88 2 years ago 3
Every baby needs nurturing from someone! I was a preemie; they wouldn't let me out of the hospital for a month after I was born. And they wouldn't let my mom stay their, either. That wasn't the worst; she died when I was still a child. I had to "patchwork" love from a lot of people, but I managed to do so. Doesn't have to be the biological mom, either, just so long as someone loves the kid.
BlueIslandGirl 2 years ago 3
This video is horrible! Why would they not pick those babies up and love them? I am a stay at home mom that cares for my niece full time(50 hrs a week) her mother works and loves her job. I don't understand why we don't stop talking and take action! If a mother cannot be there full time why not share the love every mother has extra of in her heart!
x1ray2004 2 years ago
good video i am a stay home mom
ihaveason2 2 years ago
ihaveason2, thank you for your comments!
rosaryfilms 2 years ago
welcome
ihaveason2 2 years ago
@rosaryfilms ur welcone i been abuse and i now i hate people that abuse kids
ihaveason2 1 year ago
Those doctors should be tortured then killed
Tasbah 1 year ago
Aún si estuviera en un hospital, o en un orfanato, eso no justifica que el bebé del final haya sido dejado a su suerte para deteriorarse de esa forma.
Filigrana33 2 years ago
omg at the end i thote he was gunna pick the poor baby up when he dident i wanted to kill him
bbonez99 2 years ago
This is the most discusting crap I have ever seen!! WHY? These poor babys! I hope all wer found out and rott in hell for doing this! How could you!!!!
Dentalbarbie43 2 years ago
Why not fathers?
carrieless17 2 years ago 2
ooook......so they deprived these babies of a loving enviroment for a propaganda video to keep women ou of the work force....what about stay at home dads?
I think what they really did to these babies was deprive them of any nurturing at all wether it be mother or father. they probably just fed, bathed and changed the baby with no emotional bond whatsoever.
saiyajinmillina 2 years ago
I agree with most of the comments, that they didn't have to be like this, if even the person filming it had given some affection and attention to these babies, instead of watching them suffer. How inhumane!
cartayene 2 years ago
sad...just sad....it is good for children to be with their mothers but i dont think all mothers need to be stay at home moms...and those children i hope might have been been better if someone would interact with them...when my mother went 2 jail when my third youngest sis was only like 4-4.5 month she had my grandma,grandpa,me and my other sister...she turned out perfectly fine...she may have had speech problems but the speech ppl or whatever they are said it had nothing to do with my mom being.
sakuransasuke223 3 years ago
What the fuck were these damn Nazis thinking.
The kids didn't need a mom...they needed the dumb fucker behind the camera. That would have been enough. Instead they were robbed of their fucking existence.
Lame.
timothywyatt72 3 years ago
This made me feel like reaching through the screen and holding onto all of those babies. That is so terrible. On one hand it's unjust and on the other it's valuable research. NONE of them should have been put through this and NONE of them should have died. I would say this man did something great in terms of letting us understand the development and importance, but sadistic to watch those children suffer and see the outcome. It's just wrong.
chellegirl917 3 years ago
this is disturbing, were these babies experiments in the 60's or something? Whoever did the experiements should be shot.
keleigh79 3 years ago
infact it's a cruel experiment, but isn't worth? it's necessary for all of us to understand the impact in our kids our behaviours, if this theories weren't proved you would see that kids aren't happy you say shoted i say tha they(René Spitz, John Bowlby and Mary Ainsworth) should be acclaimed!
Nylo90 3 years ago
I would like to see what happened to these children, I don't think it was worth it, those babies are just as valuable as mine or yours, how would you feel if it was your child left like this to be experimented on?
keleigh79 3 years ago
if any, on the paternal side. Fahters need to bond with their babies as well when they come home from work. I was fortunate to have both my parents be there for my proper development while many of my peers didn't have their fathers around much because their fathers always worked or don't live in the same household. Yes, both my parents worked but my sibblings & I grew up fine. The mother is usually the 1st to bond w/her child, but don't leave the father out, they are the other half.
candlace 3 years ago
I totally agree that a mother should stay home w/their babies during the 1st several years of their lives if they have adequate financial resources (ideal homelife condiions). But, this is not always the case w/every family; things happens which may force the mother to work outside the home. Let's not forget about the fathers because it entails balance in the proper development of the child. Society tends to focused too much on the maternal side of the family unit, but no or very little focus--
candlace 3 years ago
I don't think a mother should necessarily be a stay at home mom until the child goes away. While the child is a baby, sure. But I think once the child goes to school, I think the woman should be able to go back to work. I know plenty of my friends whose mothers have worked, and they've turned out fine. Not all women are called to be stay at home moms- mine certainly wasn't!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
i guess at the roll of the die--so long as they turned out 'fine'.
I think the question is what is BEST for the children...not to what extent they will survive.
blandinthebasement 2 years ago
soooo they experimented with this babies just to see what happens if they are privated from their mothers?
damn there are ssome Sick bastards out there
Razorbladekikz 3 years ago
No, they didn't do an experimentjust to study the effects of children deprived of their mothers. This is footage from one man studying the overall effects of insitutional rearinf of infants. Back then (1950s) after wartimes there would be a surplus of children in orphanages and the effects were not fully understood. Other researchers were conducting experiments on other primates, but this video by Rene Spitz helped people to see and understand the terrible effects of infant isolation.
cotterjl 3 years ago
I am very impressed about the interesting comments to this famous video. The pictures still touch me very haveyly though I am occupied with those Problems since long time professionally and privately. It is an experiance to see those children and other children in everyday life, because you can feel what they feel. It is a great question, why parents can be so cruel to their children without realizing this. My mother gave me to here sister without need when I was 8 Months old for three months.
1Karl713 3 years ago
You see, in those days they didn't want parents to visit. (so as not to "worry" the child!) My parents came once or twice a week (they were only allowed to stay one hour). They just didn't understand the importance of the BOND between parents and child in those days! (also, they thought a bed, food and medical "care" would be enough!)
ellandelachapelle 3 years ago
Sososososoo what youre saying these children werent perposly taken away from their family, they were there so they filmed them to try and change things and the footage is being used in the wrong context? Which meeeans that this vidio really is not proof mothers should stay at home because putting youre child in day nursery for a a few hours a week is not the same as only seeing them for an hour a week.
Chick342002 3 years ago
Yes. This is a VERY famous film from 1952 by doctor Réne Spitz (suppose it's longer though.) It helped change the whole view of children! (and how important mums and dads are.) In Sweden it led to that parents were allowed to even LIVE with their children in the hospital!(of course mostly mothers could do it.) You can read about it in for instance the book "A Secure Base" by doctor John Bowlby. (he worked together with Spitz.)
ellandelachapelle 3 years ago
Actually, what this film is REALLy showing is children in hospitals in 1952! (some of the clips may be from orphanages.) So the filming staff couldn't take them home! (since the children were ill.) I was in a hospital myself in 1952 (I was 2 y.o. by the time) and I remember those big beds with bars! (felt like a prison cell.) This film helped change the whole view of children in hospitals!
ellandelachapelle 3 years ago
HOW SAD
skyeyes4u 3 years ago
Why can't the father stay home? I can understand why someone wouldn't want to put their child in daycares or with a babysitter or nanny...but whats wrong with the father watching the child. Kinda sexist, don't you think? BTW my Mother wasn't able to stay with me because some people actually have no choice but to work...and I turned out just fine.
AlisonChains87 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
not all mothers need to work to make ends meet, they are just being selfish especially asian women. they don't want to be labelled as ignorant and aunties. leaving the children with maids. children being looked after by their mothers and those who are not. you can tell the different.
tytzer93 3 years ago
I kinda feel their pain. With all the mothers at work, it really does cause severe disruption to children's lives.
DragonSpirit158 4 years ago
DragonSpirit158, thank you for your comments!
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
This concept would work great if our wonderful economy didn't leave hundreds of thousands of single mothers to work as many as 3 jobs to support their child(ren). I think a child would appreciate having food more than hugs and attention later in life.
PapaRoacher 4 years ago
So the economy is the cause of adults not being married, together for their own family?
My parents were poor and we didn't have much material things, but we sure did have love and my mother stayed home.
earthless 3 years ago 3
Why can't the father stay home while the mother works?
asblue91 4 years ago 6
why do they use babies as LAB RATS???
When children are neglected ANYONE who has any decency should step in and take care of and love, cuddle, feed and care for that baby. Anyone who doesn't do this is down right evil.
I personally know people who have neglected their children by going to work all day and leaving their kids with whoever is available; family, friends, daycare, school.
THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTION FOR MOTHER.
lisabug77 4 years ago 2
they're not using them as LAB RATS. This video is part of a great research project that Spitz (a Psychoanalist) did with children that lost their mother since the first months of their life. We all should thank this people if now we know a lot more about premature lost of the primary attachment figure.
skanoir 3 years ago
Technicaly they are using these babies as lab rats. If a child looses its mother that young it should be imediately provided a "substitute" to nurture them ... these babies were not. they wanted to see what would happen. Yes great for learning, however, anyone tries to do this now a days they would be arrested imediately! This is disgusting. I want to know how these scientists could just sit by and watch this.
chxnoodle2008 3 years ago
You say great research i say child abuse!!! Thank these people what for? Causing healthy children to develop mental ilnesses for no reason. I'm sorry but it is absouloutly sick actaully makes me want to vomit. It's not the lack of the mother that made these children this way!! Many young babys are adopted etc Its the lack of attention full stop!! Basically these IDIOTS! Thats what they are IDIOTS! wanted to see what would happen if a child had no emotional contact! Thats fricken obvious!
Chick342002 3 years ago
Compleatly unessasry and cruel. I'd like someone to let me know why and HOW they can support it??? Sending your child to daycare wouldnt make your child like this, ignoring them and leaving them in their cot all day would. I think it's shocking that this video is being used to make aprents feel guilty its twisted!
Chick342002 3 years ago
This surely is a tendentious material - I'm sure these children weren't left by their moms for 8 hours a day and under tender care of their grandmothers or aunts. Do not show it like that.
mniemanologia 4 years ago
mniemanologia, babies typically are not left under the care of their grandmothers, etc..., but, rather, dumped into some day care center with strangers. The babies grow up thus, unloved and uncared for as they should be. As far as your use of the word, "tendentious", the whole theme of this video is, on the contrary, grossly understated so as not to offend.
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
This was disturbing to see. Were these children actually abandoned by their mothers and used like lab rats until they died instead of being adopted out? Guessing by the film, this was way before 1973. So it appears we have been abusing and neglecting babies for longer than 35 years. The fact that our society doesn't seem to be getting any better about their respect for children-our future-really scares me.
ladydi5319 4 years ago
Sadly, it appears (superficially, at least) that you are correct. The film from which these excerpts were taken was made in 1952, according to the credits at the start. Philosophy departments reject these films and experiments for ethical reasons (tickling babies of various ages to guage reactions to touch is OK, though). Perhaps the doctors involved weren't Mengele types, but this still looks rather inhumane.
Child neglect, abuse and abandonment did not begin or end with Roe v Wade in 1973.
ChoofMonster 4 years ago
Emotional stress (AKA "psychogenic disease") has since been proven non-fatal. Infants are more resilient than many people believe. Not sure why the babies in the video died, though (physical neglect/abuse?) - I believed in this phenomenon until I studied it at university.
Emotional neglect can have negative consequences, so the video is not entirely without merit. Such children take longer to bond with and trust people.
ChoofMonster 4 years ago
Post-natal depression can lead to such detachment. This is completely separate from the abortion debate - these children were usually planned and wanted, but hormonal changes do occur. Some mothers are over-protective of their offspring - this is hormonal, too.
I know of many families where the mother is the main 'breadwinner'. Once their child is weaned, they return to work, usually leaving their progeny in the care of family or relatives.
ChoofMonster 4 years ago
SAD
dijmama 4 years ago
The best-laid plans can go astray - parents get sick and die, divorce happens, money is a very big issue, and it can take two incomes to merely provide the essentials. Post-natal depression affects many women, too, preventing them from properly bonding with their child.
Australia currently has a reasonable tax-funded public health system, but a "free-trade" agreement with the US will soon see medical costs soar.
ChoofMonster 4 years ago
Personally, I think most moms would rather stay at home with their children. But life doesnt always work that way. I think that people who talk like moms have that choice are out of touch with the majority of the public. Not everyone who has children has a diligent husband out making 100,000 a year to support them.If the single mom doesnt work,her kids dont have health insurance.
paganrandy 4 years ago
My boyfriend's father actually wanted to stay home and raise him. And so he and his wife worked it out and she continued working and he stayed home with his two sons. I know a lot of women will want to be stay at home moms rather than dads, I guess that's just how society is these days.
Pasithea 4 years ago
i am a stay home mom, and it was my choice to quit my job when my 1st was born. my husband doesn't make $100K a year, (he didn't even make $45K when i first had my daughter). we both bust our asses, make sacrifices, and do odd jobs to make it work. the problem is that most working moms don't make the sacrifices necessary in today's society to make it work. my life isn't easy financially, but my kids are awesome and well cared for.
motherhoodchronicles 4 years ago
Are you a single mom? No? Then you are able to make the choice to stay at home with your children because there is another parent able to provide the income part of it. If you were a single mom then you probably would have to work a lot to raise your kids. That's what he was talking about I think.
Pasithea 4 years ago
actually, i provide income as well. i have an at-home business. if i didn't have my husband, i would rely on the help of friends and family to help watch the kids for 1-2 days a week. even single mothers have options. it's just a matter of searching and sacrifice.
this might sound mean, but maybe that's why it's important to wait until you are in a healthy relationship before you produce offspring. humans are pack mammals, which means we need to be in large packs/families
motherhoodchronicles 4 years ago
Oh trust me. I won't be producing any offspring for another 10 to 15 years. No accidents for me, I will opt for abortion if necessary.
Pasithea 4 years ago
well, although i wouldn't abort, i do respect that you wouldn't bring a baby into this world until you are ready and capable to support one.
i also sympathize with you, as i feel the same about my own mother. that's probably why i'm trying so hard for my kids so that they grow up healthy and happy, as i wish i had. (sometimes i'm unsure HOW to be a good mom, since i didn't have the best role model. i've had to look to other mothers that i respect for inspiration.)
motherhoodchronicles 4 years ago
Yeah. I don't know if or when I will ever be ready for a child. I just don't feel that I have that same maternal instinct other women seem to have. (I'm pretty selfish and hate sharing things...)
My mom is like that. She had a horrible mother when she was younger and I think she went a little overboard with me and my brothers. She tries to make sure we have everything we could possibly ever need/want in our lives. I think that added to my personal selfishness.
Pasithea 4 years ago
I disagree with expecting only the mother to stay home with the child. I think fathers play just as a much of a vital role in the child's development as the mother does. I think BOTH parents should find time to be with their children outside of work. I agree with the first commenter, it doesn't matter who stays home with the baby, mom OR dad so long as it has one parent with it throughout the day before it starts school.
Pasithea 4 years ago
the only reason mothers are "expected" is because the mother is the only one with the chemical bond to their child. also, breastfeeding is another important part of infant development, and a man is not capable of providing that.
motherhoodchronicles 4 years ago
Chemical bond? That's a lie. My mother never felt bonded towards me or my brother. After she gave birth to us she became extremely depressed and even more so after we refused to breast feed. In a way she resented us is what she told me. Breastfeeding isn't necessary at all for infant development, but if you truly want the child to have the breast milk it can be pumped out and the father can feed the child through a bottle.
Pasithea 4 years ago
chemical bonds aren't a lie, and i'm sorry you feel your mom never bonded with you.
many mothers try to breastfeed,but give up because it is too painful,then blame it on the child.
but, if breastfeeding isn't going well 99.9% of the time it is the mother's "fault". i breastfed my son, i latched him wrong, & it was a painful bloody mess. then i relatched, and was fine.
motherhoodchronicles 4 years ago
I've bonded with my mother fine in the past 18 years or so. She just told me that she never felt bonded to either of us when we were born. I never noticed though and it hasn't affected me in any way. I did fine without breastfeeding. I'm a healthy, active human being now.
Oh and we WOULDN'T latch. My mom even went to one of those ladies who try and help them get their babies to latch and it still didn't work. I dunno. I don't blame her for not breastfeeding me because I could really care less.
Pasithea 4 years ago
My own mother suffered from post-natal depression. Whether it affected me in the long-term, I have no idea. It is not something that can be prevented.
People are marrying later in life now - this allows them to build up assets to give their children a more secure future. This generation has grown up with divorce, waiting to marry ensures greater maturity and less likely marital failure.
ChoofMonster 4 years ago
Yeah. I don't really don't know, or even think that my mother's post natal depression affected me. Perhaps at the time it bothered me but I can't remember nowadays anyways.
I think it's a great thing that people are waiting to marry later in life. I plan to do the same. My parents divorced when I was only 7 and I have to say THAT really affected me. If I ever choose to have a family I want it to be with someone that I know I love and will be able to last with.
Pasithea 4 years ago
I was also 7 years old when my parents divorced - in hindsight it was probably for the best, but as a child I didn't see it that way.
Above all else, Children need security and stability.
I wouldn't have sex with anyone who wasn't a *potential* life-partner. But that's just me, I do not expect others to do the same. And I do want children, so abortion is unlikely to affect me personally.
ChoofMonster 4 years ago
Just hope you won't be too old to have healthy children, if any at all. Too many of us have bought the Hollywood lie that you can be in your 40's and still not "ready for a family".
earthless 3 years ago
In defense of young women like myself, men are often interested in marriage too late from the vantage point of a woman's fertility. I've been involved in several church singles groups. Most of those women didn't care about their careers; they were single because a man never asked them to get married.
quemacha 3 years ago
breastmilk IS important for infant development. children who are formula fed have more allergies, immunity problems, slower brain and motor development.
hormones are nature's way of making sure the mother doesn't abandon the baby after birth. humans are helpless for several years of their life, so nature has put these safeguards in place. but, medications, abuse, depression, now hindered the natural process of our bodies.
motherhoodchronicles 4 years ago
Hormones eh? Last I checked teenage girls were giving birth and dumping their babies into trash cans or drowning them in toilets. I've heard on the news about mothers drowning all of their kids in a bath tub and mothers who stick their infants in microwaves. Where were the hormones there? Yes, let's blame it on the drugs we use every day of our lives. Blame the vaccinations and other medical treatments meant to protect us from diseases.
Pasithea 4 years ago
look at the lives of those mothers. most of them have been victims to severe emotional, mental, or physical abuse. abuse changes the brain receptors for rational thought, & chemical/hormonal production. when this is altered, then no amount of hormones released during pregnancy and birth can counter-act the damage that has been caused to these mothers.
in short, those mothers have been f****d up to the point where they feel it's their only option for survival.
motherhoodchronicles 4 years ago
I never did breastfeed. I did not have any more problems than any other kid did. My youngest brother breast fed though and he gets sick all the time. He's always complaining of a runny nose and allergies. It might just be hereditary or something (we have different dads). I think everyone is different whether we breastfeed or not. Some of us will have more allergies than others and some of us won't. I don't think it has anything to do with whether or not you were breastfed as an infant.
Pasithea 4 years ago
If I showed a child being tortured/neglected/murdered by the parents that dont want him but had him anyway because the chruch told them to, you would think I was nuts. but for some reason, it's ok to disgust and horrify people into subscribing to your agenda. I would try to find some of the HUGE amount of child porn out there to show you what happens to unwanted children born to parents who chose not to abort, but collecting videos of victimised children is your hobby, not mine.
randypagan 4 years ago 2
If any of you so-called do gooders REALLY cared about any of this you would work on getting socialized medicine in this so-called "family values" country so that u.s. parents like Canadian parents could get a year off for maternity leave. It's so easy to put up some wack out of date movie but so hard to actually put your money where your mouth is.
xenahead 4 years ago
xenahead, I saw micheal moores movie as well. Socialized medicine can't work in a country where doctors charge 500% more than other countries, and drugs are 1000 times more expensive than other countries are charged. When the numbers are ran with these figures, It truly would bankrupt the government.I am for socialised medicine. It just will never happen here.All moores movie did was inform me that I have to move if I get cancer.
paganrandy 4 years ago
Know why? Because we have millions of illegal immigrants that are using the health care system to their advantage and not paying into it. That is why the US health care system is garbage. If the immigrants become citizens and start paying into the system then doctors wouldn't have to charge so much money (just to make money). And I hate Michael Moore. He lies in his films all the time. I am not for socialized medicine and never will be.
Pasithea 4 years ago
The failure of Canada's experiment with socialist medicine is readily apparent: long waiting lists and wait times for specialized services, conveyor-belt treatment for routine services, chronic shortages of family doctors and hospital beds, gross inefficiencies, slow innovation, and stifling and wasteful bureaucracies.
Pasithea 4 years ago
It's still illegal in Canada for private healthcare providers to compete with the government monopoly as well. Only North Korea and Cuba—two impoverished, brutal, communist dictatorships—still retain such restrictions. Ridiculous if you ask me. But if people truly want socialized health care I say don't illegalize private health care. Make both options available for people to choose.
Pasithea 4 years ago
Hi i am a full time stay at home mom to my 3 yr old son, and i plan on getting a job once hes in school, my husband also works. Anyways my opinion of this whol matter is, if you are a single mom who really needs money to support ur children then thats when it should be ok for a mother to work, but if your with ur boyfriend or husband then the man should work while the wife stays home with the children.
somebodysangel99 4 years ago
somebodysangel99, thank you for your comments and thank you very much for being a full time stay at home mom! Kind Regards...
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
I find your videos very interesting. They seem to spurn a great deal of debate which is a good thing. I am a stay at home Mom who has sacrificed to do this, but I am so thankful that I made the decision to raise my two beautiful children, to watch them grow every step of the way.
Tilbillygirl 4 years ago
Tilbillygirl, thank you very much for your comments and for watching! Also, congratulations for having two wonderful children!
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
what about women who want to work?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Hello AndromedaMariaCarmem and thank you for watching. There are many good work-at-home opportunities for stay-at-home-mothers nowadays where they can still be close to their kids and still operate a part or even full time internet business. There is a critical period in a baby's life where they really need their mother's presence, love and caring attention to develop properly.
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
Plenty kids are lovingly cared for by others than their mum. Plenty of children are horribly abused by a stay-at-home-mum, too. There is no one-size-fits all formula for raising kids except to love and care for them properly. This antiquated film of fussy or lethargic institutionalized kids proves nothing.
Turandot29 4 years ago
Turandot29, thank you for watching, but I respectively disagree. There is no substitute for a mother's love. The baby knows when the mother is missing. Little babies are very sensitive to not being loved. Sure, a grandmother's love or aunt's love can make up for it to some degree, but the baby still asks, "Where is my Mommy?". Some women have severe hardships and cannot be there with the baby, however, many have the opportunity to be with the baby and do not accept the opportunity.
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
They don't accept the opportunity because they have to go to work to make money to feed and clothe the little crumb cruncher if they can't do that they should press the abort button instead of brining another bastard into the world that I will be arresting in a few years.
casmith245 4 years ago
thats cruel of you to say that..you have no heart and ur evil!
somebodysangel99 4 years ago
you know damn well it is true
casmith245 4 years ago
whats true? i do not abuse my son..ever and actually i do not need to explain to you..god knows i am a very wonderful mother!
somebodysangel99 4 years ago