Buzek : Farm work for Youth , w/ Wi-Fi N + natural organic farming+cooking+marketing : part-time jobs for all, b ) EXPORTS TRAINING IS KEY : EU needs One Million kids that know how to travel+close deals in 3 languages+Chinese, EU needs imagination+fun+local manufacturing solutions, right now ! Engage the Youth, they must know how Hedge-Funds are shorting ( betting against ) Europa and the EU, Fiscal Unity+Energy Independence + Solid Banks are key solutions, financialtools1.blogspot.com
Buzek: make sure the "neocon media" fabricated EU bond-debt crisis to distract ,confront and divide all of you and to steal key EU assets does not make you lose control of Alcatel-Lucent and similars, FOCUS ! TOGETHER ! It's Solar,Wind,Wave,Hybrid-electric-plug-in, fuel cells,fusion,nano, local part-full-time manufacturing and natural organic family farms, training and EXPORTS ... Stop oil/gas/commodities futures speculations and industrial and bank shorters. financialtools1.blogspot.com
Fiscal Union of the 12.5 trillion Euro+EU economy can re-start local manufacturing (part-time+full time) w/ just 3 trillion Euros :Wireless Broadband continent-wide+Solar-Wind-Wave-hybrid-electric-plug-in battery-fuel-cell-fusion + advanced ELECTRIC POWER GRID SOLUTIONS :EU must be writing the algorithms/code+manufacturing locally the tools for practical daily applications,and with the best natural and organic foods,cooking oils,fruits and vegetables=balance+union, financialtools1.blogspot.com
Buzek: EU banks re-capitalization must focus exclusively on new JOBS ,training, loans to medium/small businesses and Long Term Growth,Local Manufacturing of Solar-Wind-Wave-Hybrid electric plug-in motors-Fuel cells-Fusion Reactors+natural organic family farming and EXPORTS, and NOT for bankers bonuses/perks and speculative trades & shorts= EU TOGETHER should/can/must launch a 1 trillion Euro new Clean Industry and Local Manufacturing = UNITED , financialtools1.blogspot.com
The Hedge Funds/shorters attacks against Euro-EU continue w/ neocon Media collusion: N.Y.T.: "Source Sought for False Story on French Bank", by E.Pfanner,8-14-11,shows LeMonde editor-Erik Izraelewicz & Hedge-Funds/speculators & The Mail on Sunday planting rumours against SocGen-UniCredit,etc.: the EU must Investigate economic-political links & rewards between editor-LeMonde(story :End of the Line for the Euro,) and Hedge-Funds and shorters ,huge EU assets were lost, financialtools1.blogspot.com
Buzek:Suerte manteniendo calma en Mercados contra shorters-especuladores ( ahora contra Italia para tratar derrumbar Euro ) , un HedgeFund (Jana) quiere comprar S&P=absurdo!, exije un cambio total en Credit Rating Agencies ( cobran comision de las mismas empresas que clasifican=tecnicamente fraude) , EU-USA tienen que restructurar esto=Independientes ! se comenta que los HedgeFunds-shorters van a ir ahora contra America-Sur-Centro para distraer de Murdoch-NewsCorp! unionyenergia.blogspot.com
Murdoch and the 3 big Credit Rating Agencies are asking their Hedge-Fund and Media partners -reporters to put-out a big bet-rumour-scandal against the Euro & Europa to distract all from the News Corp.hacking scandal:only a fabricated economic default or terror attack will distract public opinion from their own hacking scandal, they hope Hedge-Funds & Media betting against Europa will keep Murdoch off the news and away from more Investigation of corruption . financialtools1.blogspot.com
Pr.Buzek :The neocon's media in USA is already attacking Lagarde : yesterday by a reporter in WashingtonPost, Schneider, who switches every day between rumouring the collapse of the Euro and the EU while never mentioning the corrupt illegal double standard of the 3 big Credit Rating Agencies that promoted the 2008 Financial Disaster by giving AAA ratings to junk mortgages/swaps for fees and now supports their attack against the Euro and EU, so Lagarde must expect constant neocon attacks,shame !
Ludzie! Spójrzcie na niego, żydostwo aż z niego kapie! Żydek dostał ciepłą posadkę i teraz sprzedaje nasz kraj. Podlizuje się komu tylko może aby pozostała część żydostwa jaka kręci lody na sączeniu krwi z obywateli Europy spoglądała na niego sympatycznym wzrokiem, by mógł wkupić się w ich łaski. Jest pasożytem i naturalnie gdyby nie on, to jego miejsce zostałoby zajęte przez innego, równie gorliwego żydka, którym równie łatwo sterować. Sprzedajny żydek.
Pr.Buzek: Greek State assets should stay in EU hands out of speculators-shorters and their partners the Credit Rating Agencies, why not put them in Corp. as a collateral and keep them there? The re-engineering of Greek Economy demands to turn thousands of Government workers into private business owners: a template for Europe ? make the reform of Greece a training ground for millions of EU workers : new honest and small private industry backed by the EU GDP : 12.5 TRILLION EUROS, that's power.
Under protest, I'm in the EU, and I do care, along with 60 odd million other Brits who were never asked. No one should be surprised by this, because this is how the unaccountable, unelected way the hyper corrupt EUSSR works
Under protest, I'm in the EU, and I do care, along with 60 odd million other Brits who were never asked. No one should be surprised by this, because this is how the unaccountable, unelected way the hyper corrupt EUSSR works
Pr. Buzek : Please make sure the # 2 post at the IMF-FMI does not get in the hands of another of the financial derivatives criminals that caused the 2008 Financial Disaster, these crooks are trying to push one of their own for the # 2 job : the World needs an honest and expert worker as second in command, not another crook from the same group of Hedge Funds-Private Equity-Money/Bond Managers - shorters-speculators partners of the Credit Rating Agencies that created the sovereign debt fraud !
My god. I happend to understand polish fluently. This man is insane. They all are. They have no understanding what the common man or women wants and expects. This is indeed a new Sovjet union. This time I am an adult.
Responsible parties will be held accountable if their project fails like I think it will.
Irland vote !!!! twice referedum this is amazing this is terrible why!!! why dont do 3 referendum. Irish said NO! :( and ??? In 2 said yes so??? in third said No or Yes? so !!!! what is going on. This is one question. but many questions too
Soviet Union!!! Central industry planing, UE take money and put this money. This is comunism !!!! rip UE. I vote Nigel Farage I vote UKIP i love liberty i love nation in first we in second others !
hahaah o kurwa kurwa Unia radziecka gospodarka centralnie sterowana, anarchia w parlamencie, lamanie referendum, plany kilkuletnie. Wypompowanie pieniedzy i wpompowywanie. Haha to mi przypomina pana Naprieralskiego mlodego kutasa na ktorego ja 19 latek zaglosowalbym po smierci, Nigel Farage :D zrob pozadek z tymi Putinami.
You all will be a member of the European communist party. You will have no democracy and only a few will decide your fate. Good luck with that. Problem is? We see it you don't. You are becoming slaves. Welcome to the European Soviet Union. Dumbasses
jak ja go NIENAWIDZE, jak ja nim sie BRZYDZE!!! Jesli macie Państwo dobra pamięc to wiecie czym ten łobuzek sie zasłuzył i w z jakimi fanfarami ochodził!! widocznie idelanie wykonał swoje zadanie wiec tez nie dziwi otrzymana nagroda
Buzek i Radowslaw Sikorski nie bronia mniejszosci Polskiej w Niemczech dla "Die Welt"
Nadal obowiazuje prawo Hermana Geogering
Pittsburgh Press - Google News Archive - Mar 4, 1940
BERLIN— Activities by Polish minority organizations in Germany were forbidden today in a decree issued by Marshal Herman Goering, No. 2 Nazi Devastation of Poland, the starving out of its populace and the ... worked out by Field Marshal Hermann Goering and being carried out by Dr. Hans Frank
Buzek ma rację ,jeśli już jego wybrali w wyborach do europarlamentu ,to znaczy ,że nie są umysłowo sprawni do zrozumienia paragonu ze sklepu ,a co dopiero traktatu lizbońskiego .
;-) Charyzmatyczny premier Buzek ... LOL :-D Obciach - teraz "naród europejski" będzie nas źle kojarzył... Zwykła polityczna prostytutka z tego Buzka...
Ten cały Łobuzek pierdoli kocopoły tak, jak mu Unia każe - tańczy jak kukiełka. Te wszystkie bzdury, o których powiedział stwierdzając, że "tego chcą Europejczycy", nijak się mają do rzeczywistości. Europejczycy NIE-chcą traktatu, MAJA WYJEBANE NA ZMIANY KLIMATYCZNE, które nota bene są procesem w pełni naturalnym i regulowanym przez naturę. Co do rzekomego "kryzysu gospodarczego" - kryzys w pełni znaczenia tego słowa to był w Ameryce w latach 30. XX w., a nie teraz.
*YES SIDE: all international chambers of commerce, most independent economists, 3 main political parties, IFA, IBEC, IDA, ISME, SIPTU, ICTU, most major trade unions, Small Firms Association, Pfizer, Ryanair, Intel, Microsoft.
NO SIDE: Shinners, Ganley, Socialists, Coir, Eirigi, UKIP, Le Pen, BNP.
YES SIDE: all international chambers of commerce, most independent economists, 3 main political parties, IFA, IBEC, SIPTU, ICTU, most major trade unions, Pfizer, Ryanair, Intel, Microsoft.
On the contrary, Buzek, what people expect is that you represent their wishes as expressed in referenda, and that the Commission shoud, under no circumstances, force laws on the people with which they do not agree.
I hope the Czech Republic can save the ordinary people of Europe by not signing this unwanted treaty of Lisbon.
Decent,democratic,law-abiding people all over Europe are praying that the brave Irish vote NO again to this MADNESS !
We too want to keep our constitutions and parliamentary democracies ! We too want to keep our health systems,legal systems,school systems,own police and military.
Ireland PLEASE say NO again to the 2nd Lisbon PUTSCH attempt ! For yourselves,for your children and for the millions of us denied a say by a tiny un-elected "elite" in Brussels.
So Buzek is saying we are all peons and dont know what is good for us. We should hurry up and give EU more authoritarian power, so they can fix the financial crysis, which ironicly came to be through these big institutions like ECB.
Almost nobody 'cares' because nobody is informed how the real situation is and what the content is of the Lisbon Treaty. They don't want us to know. People as Sarkozy and Merkel and britain. The make the MEDIA don't inform us about it, just like the BIlderberg question. If we knew, we could say NO! Euro Prlamentairs decide and most of them never read the whole ttreaty! They wouldn't even understand it because it is un-understandable! They are dictators and we are the stupid sheeps. Say NO!
I hate to admit it but Buzek's comments are, unfortunately, all too true. That's why we find ourselves in the situation that we are in. As George Carlin said "everybody wants a cell phone that makes pancakes." The majority of the population are thinking about making dough and just don't care.
He comes from a Polish political party that has been created in 2001 by former comunist officers of inteligence so he didn't sink so far so soon he is just doing what they are telling him to do and he thinks his doing good :/
Now the countries of Europe are to be governed by an un-elected commission and their laws made by one of their own representatives and 26 foreigners !
Nothing made by the Commission is set to life without the approval by democratically elected politicians in the European Parliament and the EU Council. THAT'S A FACT.
The German Constitutional Court ruling (July 30 2009)
stated that the EU parliament is NOT a legitimate democratic institution and that decision making should remain with national parliaments ! The reasons for this is that the EP doesn't even follow the first basic rule of democracy i.e. one man,one vote.
If Brussels wants to play at democracy,they should not use our taxes for their Legoland parliament and Playmobil politics.
" the EU Parliament is not a "representative body of a sovereign European people."
German Constitutional Court (official English translation).
EU members of parliament were not elected according to the principle of electoral equality, in other words, one man one vote, but rather according to "national contingents," meaning that a Maltese MEP represents 67,000 Maltese, a Swedish MEP has a constituency of 455,000 Swedes, and in Germany the ratio is 1 to 857,000.
Of course the European Parliament doesn't represent any sovereign entity or people. The European Union has never been a sovereign state. Nothing new. And you should certainly not turn the fact that the EU isn't a sovereign state into an anti-EU argument, because that would be paradoxal.
Marech its true, global warming its a mith. Reducing pollution its good for health, but can only warm a little just local areas. Global warming its happen due to Sun activity and its a natural cycle. Already happen in history with about ten years of dryness and increasing famine.
Its normal and instead of wasting money we should learn to live with it. Anyway i repeat, reducing CO2 etc. its very good for health, so im very pro-nuclear enery, the only future energy mass.
Anyway EU its already a totalitarian state and will going to be worse with Lisbon treaty increasing a kind of soft dictatorship...
Lisbon Treatu its so ambigous and aleatory, for example it give to eurocop power to fight to kill demostrating peoples in the street without specify anymore. And there are many and many sentences like that. Its ambiguous its very very disturbing and its a threat for democracy and freedom.
Europejczycy nie oczekują walki zmkryzysem, który został wywołany przez te elity które chcą walczyć, nie chcą walki z globalnym ociepleniem, bo to mit, nie chcą państwowych polityk energetycznych itd. / Europeans do not expect fight with crisis, which was createted by elite which created this crisis, do not expect fight with global warming which is a myth, do not want energy politics created by goverments. EU is going to be totalitarian state.
The Light of almighty USA as you named, give us democracy and freedom from Nazy and Comunists and give us develop.
Lack of regulation ? This is a bullshit propaganda. Crysis came from industry delocalization. Do you even ever read a stock market regulation for example ? The little Italian one its heavy... The Wall Street and Federal Reserves have the most heavy financial regulation of the world !! LOL :-) I cant beleve it !
The Americans DO have tens of thousand of pages of regulations, but noone even looks at them or enforces them!
I am sorry, but the freedom from nazi-fascism was gained with the blood of a lot more nations than just the USA. The D-day is not the only thing that happened in the WWII. My God, were you washed ashore yesterday?
The Greeks presented us with the democracy. Should we still be grateful to them? Of course not; because they are not the same people.
Europe parlamentary system ? what f..... drug you use ??? :) France its presidential and peoples choice President. UK its a monarchy and people choice governement. Spain same ecc. . I can say the only one its Italy, but in fact we had comunist too wrote our costitution :-)
Commision is not named Governement to mislead and deceive peoples. WAKE UP ! Or just dont make trolling thanks.
and parlamentary system its the country of corruption...
Wrong again. France has a semi-presidential system, the UK is a parliamentary democracy AND a constitutional democracy, the same goes for Spain. Try Wikipedia sometimes.
The candidate for the post of the President of the Commission is proposed by the European Coucil. The Parliament could easily REJECT the candidate.
You are mistaken. People of Italy (like in a majority of european countries) elect a parliament which then in turn, based on a coalition of parties, elects a government (and in your case, a President as well).
The European Parliament is fully elected by the people and has as such full control over what the Commission will look like.
The German Constitutional Court ruled last month that the EU "parliament" is not legitimate due to it's inherant democratic deficit. Doesn't seem to stop them celebrating though. Nor did the record low turnout in the EU elections (15% in Latvia).
A Playmobil democracy for a Legoland parliament and an un-elected "supreme commission".
hundrends of millions of European Citizens was and are AGAINST European Cositution and his disguised version in the Lisbon Treaty. So please dont beleve and spread Soviet Brussels propaganda :)
Even Berlusconi in last G8 said that if they do a Referendum on Lisbon Treaty in all Europe will be a fierce negative results.
Democracy and Freedom said and say no to EU in all Europe, thats the facts.did.
And I highly doubt the European banking system is as corrupt as you say. Especially in comparison with the Italian banking system, which is probably run by the Mafia.
yeah so legal that nations had to change or will have to do it, even their own costitutions to ratify it !!!!
One of the lasts important politics talked about a kind of European Banking Mafia system was Jorg Haider and was killed after a misleading campaign against it in the past years....
Lisbon Treaty was done to let not understand common peoples, 'cause is the rejected European Costitution disguised.. as same eurofanatics politics said itself.
So a referendum for you is not suitable to let peoples choice about their independence and freedom ? Such curious way about "democracy" you have... Hitler, Stalin, Mao have some in common with that..... Peoples have the right to choiche about national sovranity in democracy and in fact EU its a totalitarian regime not a democracy.
Oh, please. Independence? Freedom? The sovereignty of each member of the EU is fully intact now and will be after the Lisbon treaty. That is the main reason the leaders did not opt for a referendum.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao? Why no Mussollini, I wonder...
AH AH AH !!! You missed that about 75% of national laws and various governements regulamentations and policy ALREADY from EU, and if you dont want it EU retaliate with heavy fines to be paid ! So please dont be silly....
With Lisbon treay national sovranity will be wiped out: Legislative, Jurisdictional and Excutive powers will be centralized to EU Brussels governement.
Cospiracy theories ? You wrong i'm not one of them. You dont need it to undestand that Haider was likely murdered...
That is correct. The European Comission is a guardian of contracts, that's why it imposes fines on those member states that do not follow the rules. But remember, these rules are passed by the European Parliament in which all European citizens are represented. So that means at least 50% of all Europeans support that law.
The sovereignty of each member state is an absolute foundation and a prerequisite of this treaty. As long as the EU is a confederation, it will remain so.
In democracy contracts guardians are the Judges. If you fail to fulfill a contract you can be be processed until 3 degress of judment.
And over the top who judge CANNOT MAKE LAW as European Commission. They make law and make judice and anyway its just an oligarchy UNELECTED. Anyway thats the point you talk about CONTRACTS. EU its just an economical and finacial treaty NOT a state. But They as UNELECETED, force state member to ratify laws... EU retaliation and fines are and insult to freedom
You are confusing EFTA and EU, which is not just an economic and financial institution. The Commission is proposed by the European Council and elected by the European Parliament. Both of those bodies comprise of elected representatives.
And yes, if the Commission suspects that a contract has been violated, it begins a procedure before the European Court of Justice, which then fines a member state. So the Commission is the guardian of contracts but the ECJ has the final say over fines.
im not confusing nothing. EU its just a kind of EFTA with power to make is own rules, to force nation to ratify laws for his economyc interest of his oligarchy. But you are blinded from EU propaganda.
European Commission its the Real EU governement. The name commision its stupid and ridicolous.
In democracy and free nations, the governement its DIRECTLY ELECTED FROM PEOPLES and not nominated by other political and oligarchy powers.....
I agree to an extent. The Commission was not named a Government only because the leaders were nervous about what people might think. Though it has all the hallmarks of a government. But why should it matter either way? They work well and effectively.
And no, in the parliamentary systems which prevail in Europe (as opposed to the USA), people NEVER elect the government directly, only the parliament which then names the government. It's exactly the same in EU.
And Haider did not get murdered. He had a car accident, because he was driving too fast and he was drunk. You know, coming from a gay bar, where he was cheating on his wife. He is the father of hipocrisy, so I wouldn't rely on his statements.
I'm sorry to be nasty, but the fact that you put worth on anything that came out of Haider's gob is plain ridiculous. It only confirms my fear that you are merely one in a long line of people being deluded by conspiracy theories. You've probably seen Zeitgeist and are now on a mission to save humanity. Get some fresh air.
Lisbon Treaty was done by Socialist, have the signatures by European Socialist like Italian Prodi and D'Alema o Schroeder in Germany etc. Was modelled on Soviet System that hurt ideal comunists too. Read it please. Thats why peoples from both political wings are against it.
Its highly insulting that right wing ratified this scandalous treaty by totally ingnoring peoples free choice with referendum. Its outragiuos and scandalos, they sold peoples rights to corrupted european bank system.
I have read the Treaty very carefully, thank you. And it is a rather remarkable legal document.
The only ones that are against it are lunatics like Klaus and Kaczyński.
A referendum is not a suitable instrument for highly complex questions like the Lisbon treaty. Most of the Irish voters have voted no because their government never even explained to them what the treaty was about.
tell that to the 50+ million french and dutch who said no to this and were ignored. on the other hand only 3000 "party whipped" politicians said yes - dictacted to by their leader who signed up to push the same treaty. no referendums in any other country!
I agree completely that it is 96% the same as the rejected constitution. But merely the fact that it is not called a "constitution", has a HUGE impact on the mentality of people and the EU itself.
It prevents the EU of becoming a super-state in name, but of course not in substance.
The World Trade Organisation has a constitution. I suppose you wouldn't call the WTO a super state.
How would Lisbon transform the EU into a "super state" (a super vague term)?
The Council's president won't have any formal powers. If you consider effectiveness per se a superstate feature, however, then you might say that EU becomes a super state, since it prevents the Union from being a lame duck paralyzed by 27 vetoes in all areas of policy.
I believe a better phrasing would be a "supra-state". I only meant to say that as sth "above, over". Nothing vague.
I derived it from the fact that the EU already is a kind of a supra-national organization.
The Council's president won't have any formal powers, true, but he will externally represent the Council and the Union. Now that has a lot of weight in global politics.
Hm, it's even today quite hard to define the Council (not to mention the EU as a whole!) as being either supranational or intergovernmental. I don't think those labels are useful. The EU simply isn't constructed as a supranational pyramid with an alien government at the top.
But sure, the fact that the absurd and fragile system of rotating presidencies will be replaced by one, dedicated president, will of course strengthen the sense of EU unity at the world stage and serve Europe's intests.
I find the wording "alien government" a bit strong. There's nothing alien about a government of a confederation (which the EU in essence is, albeit some federalist elements). I mean, you have an elected president of a commission and 27 commissioners from all member states. That sounds rather normal, doesn't it?
The Lisbon treaty merges all three pillars into one legal persona. Once there, I believe the view will be much clearer as the terminology regarding the EU is now all over the place.
By saying that the EU doesn't have an "alien government on the top" I meant that member states are still in control. The members will always be sovereign states, and the EU's power will always derive from the member states and be 'pooled' at the EU level. The Commission isn't a government.
Yes, the maze of EU terminology has been so ridiculously incomprehensible for non-experts ever since the Treaty of Rome in the 50s. Lisbon changes this completely. No more "of the Communities" etc.
No country has ever been forced to join the EU. You understand extremely little if you think the EU has expanded through military conquest. And OF COURSE I think accession should remain a voluntary choice.
Aha.. so by "join in" you mean to ratify a treaty?
Right then..
The Netherlands is a sovereign representative democracy. Just like Ireland's sovereign decisions are respected, no one (not even you) should disrespect the Dutch parliament's decision to ratify or not ratify a treaty. It's ludicrous to suggest that some centralised EU powergrabber controls how the majority of the Dutch directly elected national chamber votes.
The government didn't ratify the treaty, it was the directly elected parliament of the Dutch people. You can "rebel" as much as you like on "the Dutch people's behalf", but you should respect the sovereignty of the Netherlands, i.e. the Dutch parliament's rightful decision to choose a parliamentary ratification.
I'll also add that Lisbon and the Constitution are not the same.
the dutch people were aksed for a Yes and no, they said NO. they got it anyway under a different name without consent. dork. now tell me smartass, what are the "differences" between Lisbon and the constitution acoording to you.....;)
The Dutch consent to ratify the Lisbon Treaty was rightfully given in the Dutch parliament.
There are many differences, but first and foremost; the Treaty of Lisbon amends existing EU treaties, rather than re-founding the EU by replacing old texts with a single document with the status of a constitution. The UK, Poland and Ireland also got a series of new opt-outs.
"The Dutch consent to ratify the Lisbon Treaty was rightfully given in the Dutch parliament."
No it wasn't since there was a: no consent for this of the people and B: the people said no to the constitution which is essentially the same thing as the lisbon treaty,
let me make it clear to you, I know what your agenda on the internet is, I am not talking to you to convince you of anything, I am just curious how you're going to try to talk yourself out of this, so Lisbon vs constitution, tell me
When you say there was "no consent for this of the people" you fail to realise that if we are to respect the sovereignty of the Netherlands, we need to respect Dutch law, including the parliament's constitutional right to ratify international treaties.
Now you just ignored that I already have mentioned several vital differences between the Constitution and Lisbon.
This is clearly a discussion; my opinion is not more of an "agenda" than your opinion. I'm on no mission; I just have an opinion.
hahahaha, no my friend, the dutch people have NOT given consent to THEIR representatives in THEIR government to introduce the lisbon treaty, the opposite, they've said NO to the constitution in a referendum. reply to that please.
so who are you, who do you work for my friend, you are just an innocent citizen loving the european constitution hey ;)
Your ignorance of Dutch law shows shows that YOU disrespect national sovereignty. You can't decide when the Dutch constitution requires a referendum, and you have no authority to speak for the Dutch people. The Netherlands is a a representative democracy like it or not.
I'm not talking about the constitution, I talk about Lisbon. And you're a sinister anarchist hating the EU and disrespecting sovereign decisions hey?
the dutch DID got a referendum on the constitution and they said NO, are your braincells still working?
"you have no authority to speak for the Dutch people". no my friend the dutch people themselves have spoken, this has nothing to do with me, this is the opinion of, the dutch people
"The Netherlands is a a representative democracy like it or not."
if that would be the case, the government would not ratify a treaty without the consent of the dutch people, the dutch people said NO
fuck you, I am dutch we said fuckin no to OUR government in a referendum.
our government is controlled by the E.U. elite which is a part of the NWO elite, one world government, big centralised government. go fuck up someone else's country you bastard
Thank you Spenner, at least someone here understands what is going on. The constitution court of Germany said that the EU is NOT democratic for several reasons, and the Lisbon treaty would only turn it into a non-democratic Superstate.
I have become deeply anti-EU with this Lisbon "treaty" trick. They are not even honest enough to call this constitution a constitution, to inform the peoples of Europe, and to make it clear and readable.
Be pro Europe and pro democracy - be against the EU.
im Irish true and true... vote NO again .... we have been screwed by banks, builders, POLITATIONS, speculators, etc and EU DONT give a shit about us... never did... so NOW is our call to Independence from the FAT CATS which control our country,,,,, Vote NO... up the Irish....
This is what the Lisbon treaty/constitution is really all about...playing with the big boys in China,Russia and the U.S.
"The need to bolster Europe's (the EU's) military capabilities to match our aspirations is more urgent than ever" (Javier Solana European Defence Agency).
Note the use of the word "aspirations" !
Have a nice war Brussels...but send your own children to fight and not ours.
Sorry lights but i thin that you didn't get what Jerzy want to tell you. In my opinion Jerzy will fight for independent needs of every state rather then pushing lisbon treaty through legislation process. Lisbon Treaty in fact like he said is very important tool but we can not stop to developing EU because of lack of tools to deal with.
nope Danio, read again my first post. We dont need Lisbon treaty to do all that. We can do it as NATO and Allied and friendly nations in international treaty without needs of EU and his corrupted and his costly and unnecessary structure.
Peoples against it care and understand too much well Lisbon treaty the disguised rejected European Costitution, thats the fact. Our governement are selling our rights to EU banking system. How many peoples recently voted for EU ?? Very few everywhere...
We can't act as a big and decisive player in world politics without speaking with one unified voice. Would you rather have Europe scattered again; each nation for itself?
And also, people didn't turn out in small numbers in recent EU elections because they oppose the EU but because they don't care.
We dont need it to make such policy. We can do it as always did it, as NATO and America guided. We dont have the conditions to do that. So powerful European policy expecially in the world of today its a TREATH to the World Peace. EU strong policy will bring world near a new world confict. Almost All analyst fear that !!!
America and Russia will be threated by EU superstate and its obvious. Its already happened. Will happen again.. expecially with oil shortage.. We must Enforce NATO not EU.
Independent Allied and Friendly nations are not scattered, are just more efficently and free.
European nations have not the conditions to be one nation. Too many differences and needs. How can you compare low italian and greece wages or prices to the industrial power of UK or Germany ?? Its only bring both to economic crysis like its happened. We must develop protezionism to better develop lands.
The EU does not aspire to be one nation, but a union of nations based on cooperation, diversity and mutual respect.
The differences in different markets will fade away eventually. That's why we have all sorts of mechanisms in place, like the Lisbon Strategy among others.
Guided by the USA?! No, thank you. Let them guide themselves first.
And NATO is an outdated military alliance with no vision whatsoever, a relic from the past, nothing more.
If you think that a united Europe will lead the world to a conflict, you clearly know nothing about what the EU stands for. Please watch the sessions of the Parliament or its committes sometimes and observe the resolutions they pass.
I am doing an anti-american socialist propaganda?!? Love, you are the one talking about being "guided by the Light of the almighty USA". Please, don't deflect.
Well i've read this treaty and i'm not enthusiast of it either EU and shape which she obviously tend recently to fade.
But changes are unavoidable, like i said treaty isn't threat, only people of malice. EU will change shape in more liberal mind driven state. We are really reasonable people, when things will go wrong we will act against them.
Eu isn't any problem only our state of mind in which we let banks or other force steal our goods. Like U said.
I completely agree with your points! There is nothing wrong with the Lisbon treaty itself; it's just a matter if corrupt people will seize the opportunity, which I highly doubt, as one of the mottos of the EU is transparency.
And yes, people neither understand nor care how a more effective EU will form, they just want it, with Lisbon treaty or otherwise.
Yeah but this EU and banking system and Lisbon Treaty was made it to let them steal our rights and freedom !!!!
Blackmail and retaliations treaths by EU are not democratic !!! And are even against most european nations costitutions. No way, for such things you MUST ask people if they want or not. They said NO !!!!!!!!!!
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Buzek : Farm work for Youth , w/ Wi-Fi N + natural organic farming+cooking+marketing : part-time jobs for all, b ) EXPORTS TRAINING IS KEY : EU needs One Million kids that know how to travel+close deals in 3 languages+Chinese, EU needs imagination+fun+local manufacturing solutions, right now ! Engage the Youth, they must know how Hedge-Funds are shorting ( betting against ) Europa and the EU, Fiscal Unity+Energy Independence + Solid Banks are key solutions, financialtools1.blogspot.com
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Buzek: make sure the "neocon media" fabricated EU bond-debt crisis to distract ,confront and divide all of you and to steal key EU assets does not make you lose control of Alcatel-Lucent and similars, FOCUS ! TOGETHER ! It's Solar,Wind,Wave,Hybrid-electric-plug-in, fuel cells,fusion,nano, local part-full-time manufacturing and natural organic family farms, training and EXPORTS ... Stop oil/gas/commodities futures speculations and industrial and bank shorters. financialtools1.blogspot.com
financialtools1 3 months ago
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Fiscal Union of the 12.5 trillion Euro+EU economy can re-start local manufacturing (part-time+full time) w/ just 3 trillion Euros :Wireless Broadband continent-wide+Solar-Wind-Wave-hybrid-electric-plug-in battery-fuel-cell-fusion + advanced ELECTRIC POWER GRID SOLUTIONS :EU must be writing the algorithms/code+manufacturing locally the tools for practical daily applications,and with the best natural and organic foods,cooking oils,fruits and vegetables=balance+union, financialtools1.blogspot.com
financialtools1 4 months ago
Buzek: EU banks re-capitalization must focus exclusively on new JOBS ,training, loans to medium/small businesses and Long Term Growth,Local Manufacturing of Solar-Wind-Wave-Hybrid electric plug-in motors-Fuel cells-Fusion Reactors+natural organic family farming and EXPORTS, and NOT for bankers bonuses/perks and speculative trades & shorts= EU TOGETHER should/can/must launch a 1 trillion Euro new Clean Industry and Local Manufacturing = UNITED , financialtools1.blogspot.com
financialtools1 4 months ago
do szkoly siwy kutasie buzku!!a nie za granica kurwo siedzisz po tym jak polske okradles i jeszcze jezyka a ni be ani me!!
guglestruclezdupy 4 months ago
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financialtools1 6 months ago
Buzek:Suerte manteniendo calma en Mercados contra shorters-especuladores ( ahora contra Italia para tratar derrumbar Euro ) , un HedgeFund (Jana) quiere comprar S&P=absurdo!, exije un cambio total en Credit Rating Agencies ( cobran comision de las mismas empresas que clasifican=tecnicamente fraude) , EU-USA tienen que restructurar esto=Independientes ! se comenta que los HedgeFunds-shorters van a ir ahora contra America-Sur-Centro para distraer de Murdoch-NewsCorp! unionyenergia.blogspot.com
unionyenergia 7 months ago
Murdoch and the 3 big Credit Rating Agencies are asking their Hedge-Fund and Media partners -reporters to put-out a big bet-rumour-scandal against the Euro & Europa to distract all from the News Corp.hacking scandal:only a fabricated economic default or terror attack will distract public opinion from their own hacking scandal, they hope Hedge-Funds & Media betting against Europa will keep Murdoch off the news and away from more Investigation of corruption . financialtools1.blogspot.com
financialtools1 7 months ago
Pr.Buzek :The neocon's media in USA is already attacking Lagarde : yesterday by a reporter in WashingtonPost, Schneider, who switches every day between rumouring the collapse of the Euro and the EU while never mentioning the corrupt illegal double standard of the 3 big Credit Rating Agencies that promoted the 2008 Financial Disaster by giving AAA ratings to junk mortgages/swaps for fees and now supports their attack against the Euro and EU, so Lagarde must expect constant neocon attacks,shame !
financialtools1 7 months ago
Ludzie! Spójrzcie na niego, żydostwo aż z niego kapie! Żydek dostał ciepłą posadkę i teraz sprzedaje nasz kraj. Podlizuje się komu tylko może aby pozostała część żydostwa jaka kręci lody na sączeniu krwi z obywateli Europy spoglądała na niego sympatycznym wzrokiem, by mógł wkupić się w ich łaski. Jest pasożytem i naturalnie gdyby nie on, to jego miejsce zostałoby zajęte przez innego, równie gorliwego żydka, którym równie łatwo sterować. Sprzedajny żydek.
BGFGR 7 months ago
Pr.Buzek: Greek State assets should stay in EU hands out of speculators-shorters and their partners the Credit Rating Agencies, why not put them in Corp. as a collateral and keep them there? The re-engineering of Greek Economy demands to turn thousands of Government workers into private business owners: a template for Europe ? make the reform of Greece a training ground for millions of EU workers : new honest and small private industry backed by the EU GDP : 12.5 TRILLION EUROS, that's power.
financialtools1 8 months ago
How does Buzek know that "people don't care",
Under protest, I'm in the EU, and I do care, along with 60 odd million other Brits who were never asked. No one should be surprised by this, because this is how the unaccountable, unelected way the hyper corrupt EUSSR works
stringx25 8 months ago
How does Buzek know that "people don't care",
Under protest, I'm in the EU, and I do care, along with 60 odd million other Brits who were never asked. No one should be surprised by this, because this is how the unaccountable, unelected way the hyper corrupt EUSSR works
stringx25 8 months ago
Pr. Buzek : Please make sure the # 2 post at the IMF-FMI does not get in the hands of another of the financial derivatives criminals that caused the 2008 Financial Disaster, these crooks are trying to push one of their own for the # 2 job : the World needs an honest and expert worker as second in command, not another crook from the same group of Hedge Funds-Private Equity-Money/Bond Managers - shorters-speculators partners of the Credit Rating Agencies that created the sovereign debt fraud !
financialtools1 8 months ago
i like Poland, but that cunt's a cunt
ahallidie 9 months ago
paradox567 go fu ck your mother
klaudiusz300 9 months ago
My god. I happend to understand polish fluently. This man is insane. They all are. They have no understanding what the common man or women wants and expects. This is indeed a new Sovjet union. This time I am an adult.
Responsible parties will be held accountable if their project fails like I think it will.
Anything short of jail time will be unacceptable.
onetwo12p 10 months ago
Lizbona 2009= Targowica 1792 Buzek kończ wasz wstydu oszczędź szkodniku jeden, dzisiaj ponosimy konsekwencje Twoich reform szczególnie III filarowego sysemu emerytalnego
mate521 1 year ago
@paradox567
Niech zrujnuje UE, przynajmniej wszystko wróci do starego ładu.
WarhammerProGamer 1 year ago
@WarhammerProGamer No, żeby tylko w pojedynkę czy z całą Polską delegacją miał taką moc.
Micidami 1 year ago
Ludzie, bójcie się! Zrujnował Polskę, zrujnuje UE.
People beware! Buzek ruined Polish budget, he will ruin E.U.
paradox567 1 year ago
@paradox567 People! Beware! paradox567 has no idea about how politics works!
Micidami 1 year ago
Irland vote !!!! twice referedum this is amazing this is terrible why!!! why dont do 3 referendum. Irish said NO! :( and ??? In 2 said yes so??? in third said No or Yes? so !!!! what is going on. This is one question. but many questions too
Michael189redwhite 1 year ago
Soviet Union!!! Central industry planing, UE take money and put this money. This is comunism !!!! rip UE. I vote Nigel Farage I vote UKIP i love liberty i love nation in first we in second others !
Michael189redwhite 1 year ago 2
hahaah o kurwa kurwa Unia radziecka gospodarka centralnie sterowana, anarchia w parlamencie, lamanie referendum, plany kilkuletnie. Wypompowanie pieniedzy i wpompowywanie. Haha to mi przypomina pana Naprieralskiego mlodego kutasa na ktorego ja 19 latek zaglosowalbym po smierci, Nigel Farage :D zrob pozadek z tymi Putinami.
Michael189redwhite 1 year ago
przeciwdziałania zmianom klimatycznym :) hahahahaha tak europejczycy chcą wydawać pieniądze na takie cele hahahhahaha ja mam dość
pawelkapelusik 1 year ago
You all will be a member of the European communist party. You will have no democracy and only a few will decide your fate. Good luck with that. Problem is? We see it you don't. You are becoming slaves. Welcome to the European Soviet Union. Dumbasses
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
jak ja go NIENAWIDZE, jak ja nim sie BRZYDZE!!! Jesli macie Państwo dobra pamięc to wiecie czym ten łobuzek sie zasłuzył i w z jakimi fanfarami ochodził!! widocznie idelanie wykonał swoje zadanie wiec tez nie dziwi otrzymana nagroda
Sansui1000A 1 year ago
@miszczolimpijski Brawo! Cięta riposta, ironia i solidne argumenty zawsze były atutami Polaków.
JimmyNeedle 1 year ago
Brawo Polacy! Poziom komentarzy sięgnął dna. NWO,2012 i inne zeitgeisty.
JimmyNeedle 1 year ago
English is sux
przemkolny 1 year ago
dzięuję panie przewodniczący
wczoraj w TVP słyszałem że komisja europejska ściga Polski rząd za nie wdrożenie dyrektywy przeciwpowodziowej
fajnie że przyłożył pan rękę do tego by jakieś obce patałachy mogły ścigać rząd mojego kraju wybrany przez moich rodaków
jeśli pana kiedyś spotkam to może być pan pewien że podziękuję panu jeszcze bardziej
cykoelektryko 1 year ago 2
chanba miec takiego Polaka dlaczego na niego glosowali?
PoloniaAmericas 1 year ago
it's wrongly translated, he actually said something a little bit different.
Zarrov 1 year ago
people dont care, because you fucking fat idiots haven't let people study what they are signing up to,
i say, devolve EU powers - and keep it strictly a trading force only a go between and thats it, anything more and it becomes the soviet union
Galacticmaster 1 year ago 2
y doesnt he speak English?
jimanHK 1 year ago
@jimanHK coz he doesnt have to? why do markel and sarkozy speak their own languages?
Michkuty 1 year ago
@jimanHK
he does but in European Empire everyo can speak his language.
DrakenPL 1 year ago
precz z zlodziejami! Buzek nie dla Polski!
ASM
MrFemm 2 years ago
Ile macie lat , że "staracie się" go ocenić.
6666spOOn 2 years ago
"narzędzie dla narzędzia" :)
Piotrek5x 2 years ago
Buzek i Radowslaw Sikorski nie bronia mniejszosci Polskiej w Niemczech dla "Die Welt"
Nadal obowiazuje prawo Hermana Geogering
Pittsburgh Press - Google News Archive - Mar 4, 1940
BERLIN— Activities by Polish minority organizations in Germany were forbidden today in a decree issued by Marshal Herman Goering, No. 2 Nazi Devastation of Poland, the starving out of its populace and the ... worked out by Field Marshal Hermann Goering and being carried out by Dr. Hans Frank
PolishAmericanDC 2 years ago
dobrze gada, przeczytaj Bunt Mas ortegi
dragnarxx 2 years ago
Buzek ma rację ,jeśli już jego wybrali w wyborach do europarlamentu ,to znaczy ,że nie są umysłowo sprawni do zrozumienia paragonu ze sklepu ,a co dopiero traktatu lizbońskiego .
Mmkkw 2 years ago 5
O ile wiem, europejczyków nie ma i wszyscy staniemy się nimi dopiero 1 grudnia. No no... niezła wróżka z pana Buzka.
Cyceron 2 years ago
Śródziemnomorskie Morze?
Varskar 2 years ago
;-) Charyzmatyczny premier Buzek ... LOL :-D Obciach - teraz "naród europejski" będzie nas źle kojarzył... Zwykła polityczna prostytutka z tego Buzka...
szybkilok 2 years ago
Hehe :D
Duchowicz1992 2 years ago
Ten cały Łobuzek pierdoli kocopoły tak, jak mu Unia każe - tańczy jak kukiełka. Te wszystkie bzdury, o których powiedział stwierdzając, że "tego chcą Europejczycy", nijak się mają do rzeczywistości. Europejczycy NIE-chcą traktatu, MAJA WYJEBANE NA ZMIANY KLIMATYCZNE, które nota bene są procesem w pełni naturalnym i regulowanym przez naturę. Co do rzekomego "kryzysu gospodarczego" - kryzys w pełni znaczenia tego słowa to był w Ameryce w latach 30. XX w., a nie teraz.
VanDenSimonen 2 years ago 16
bo to jest jebany zdrajaca ,sprzedajacy Polske za srebrniki. juz ma w planie nastepny pomysl Judeopolonia.
Zbyszkoz 2 years ago
Mr Buzek ...
sheeps do not care, but humans do !!!
May God forgive you
bubbledom 2 years ago 4
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*NO SIDE: Shinners, Ganley, Socialists, Coir, Eirigi, UKIP, Le Pen, BNP.
*YES SIDE: all international chambers of commerce, most independent economists, 3 main political parties, IFA, IBEC, IDA, ISME, SIPTU, ICTU, most major trade unions, Small Firms Association, Pfizer, Ryanair, Intel, Microsoft.
Who you going to trust?
urfadder 2 years ago
I' Polish and Irish No means NO. N O !!! GOT IT?
pawel3003 2 years ago
co to pierdolisz Buzek, nie mów nam co my chcemy, to co powiedziałeś to Ty sam sobie ubzdurałeś, sprzedawczyku Eurokomuny Ty!
pawel3003 2 years ago
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Dia dhaoibh,
Mia an t-ainm atá orm. Is as an nGearmáin mé.
PLEASE VOTE NO AGAIN Bí dílis duit féin
We havent got this chance and hope you will save
our countries, our freedom and our democracy =(
Beir bua agus beannacht
NoHoeArmy 2 years ago
No means NO!
orbandsceptre27 2 years ago
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NO SIDE: Shinners, Ganley, Socialists, Coir, Eirigi, UKIP, Le Pen, BNP.
YES SIDE: all international chambers of commerce, most independent economists, 3 main political parties, IFA, IBEC, SIPTU, ICTU, most major trade unions, Pfizer, Ryanair, Intel, Microsoft.
Who you going to trust?
urfadder 2 years ago
On the contrary, Buzek, what people expect is that you represent their wishes as expressed in referenda, and that the Commission shoud, under no circumstances, force laws on the people with which they do not agree.
I hope the Czech Republic can save the ordinary people of Europe by not signing this unwanted treaty of Lisbon.
ProtectingDemocracy 2 years ago 2
Its a big Fat NO from me on the Lisbon Treaty!!!!Full stop!.......
9746478 2 years ago 4
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Decent,democratic,law-abiding people all over Europe are praying that the brave Irish vote NO again to this MADNESS !
We too want to keep our constitutions and parliamentary democracies ! We too want to keep our health systems,legal systems,school systems,own police and military.
Ireland PLEASE say NO again to the 2nd Lisbon PUTSCH attempt ! For yourselves,for your children and for the millions of us denied a say by a tiny un-elected "elite" in Brussels.
Greetings from still free Germany.
Spenner56 2 years ago
So Buzek is saying we are all peons and dont know what is good for us. We should hurry up and give EU more authoritarian power, so they can fix the financial crysis, which ironicly came to be through these big institutions like ECB.
This guy deserves a punch in the face.
Akalis87 2 years ago 4
We are all partners now - globalist rhetoric.
grantchristy 2 years ago
fuck the globalists.
Australianawareness 2 years ago
Almost nobody 'cares' because nobody is informed how the real situation is and what the content is of the Lisbon Treaty. They don't want us to know. People as Sarkozy and Merkel and britain. The make the MEDIA don't inform us about it, just like the BIlderberg question. If we knew, we could say NO! Euro Prlamentairs decide and most of them never read the whole ttreaty! They wouldn't even understand it because it is un-understandable! They are dictators and we are the stupid sheeps. Say NO!
karatekla 2 years ago 2
"If we knew, we could say NO!"
exactly
Australianawareness 2 years ago
buzek na wózek;d
11qazwsx11 2 years ago
I hate to admit it but Buzek's comments are, unfortunately, all too true. That's why we find ourselves in the situation that we are in. As George Carlin said "everybody wants a cell phone that makes pancakes." The majority of the population are thinking about making dough and just don't care.
dublin58 2 years ago
I hate to say, that the Pole on a suprnational sit is stupid, but I must say it. I, young Pole, say, Buzek means a compromitation for my country!
kaorumy 2 years ago
What do You mean?
Reeminet 2 years ago
"There are no plans for an EU army."
" I am sure that in medium-term we will have a European army financed by the EU budget" (German ambassador to the EU,W. Schönfelder).
"The (un-elected) commission respects Ireland's (democratic) No vote"
"The European Arrest Warrant is for serious crime only" ( google : Fair Trials International,European Gendarmerie Force,EU Corpus Juris).
"The EU brings peace" but we could all be at war post-Lisbon Treaty : article 47(7)28a TEU
Don't trust liars !
Spenner56 2 years ago 3
Nice to see that Europe has been reunited, with an Eastern European finally taking a central position in an EU institution.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
His party lost elections so hard, that they didn`t make it to the polish parliment.
If you wonder why, than now you know.
iceberg1987 2 years ago
Somebody gave me a no vote on youtube for my last post at this topic, I wonder why ? :D
cykoelektryko 2 years ago
For me is horrible , in conservative Poland is not anyone strong right political party ...
adamlwowiak 2 years ago
Zastanawiam się czy on naprawdę wierzy w te brednie :/.
adamlwowiak 2 years ago
@Spenner56
He comes from a Polish political party that has been created in 2001 by former comunist officers of inteligence so he didn't sink so far so soon he is just doing what they are telling him to do and he thinks his doing good :/
cykoelektryko 2 years ago
How did we sink this far so soon ?
Now the countries of Europe are to be governed by an un-elected commission and their laws made by one of their own representatives and 26 foreigners !
The death of true democracy is so sad.
Spenner56 2 years ago
Nothing made by the Commission is set to life without the approval by democratically elected politicians in the European Parliament and the EU Council. THAT'S A FACT.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
No,it's a FANTASY !
The German Constitutional Court ruling (July 30 2009)
stated that the EU parliament is NOT a legitimate democratic institution and that decision making should remain with national parliaments ! The reasons for this is that the EP doesn't even follow the first basic rule of democracy i.e. one man,one vote.
If Brussels wants to play at democracy,they should not use our taxes for their Legoland parliament and Playmobil politics.
Long live democratic Europe.
Spenner56 2 years ago 3
Again, bogus references from propagandist commenting machine Spenner 56. That's not what the court said.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
Please get your facts right !
" the EU Parliament is not a "representative body of a sovereign European people."
German Constitutional Court (official English translation).
EU members of parliament were not elected according to the principle of electoral equality, in other words, one man one vote, but rather according to "national contingents," meaning that a Maltese MEP represents 67,000 Maltese, a Swedish MEP has a constituency of 455,000 Swedes, and in Germany the ratio is 1 to 857,000.
Spenner56 2 years ago 3
Of course the European Parliament doesn't represent any sovereign entity or people. The European Union has never been a sovereign state. Nothing new. And you should certainly not turn the fact that the EU isn't a sovereign state into an anti-EU argument, because that would be paradoxal.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
Marech its true, global warming its a mith. Reducing pollution its good for health, but can only warm a little just local areas. Global warming its happen due to Sun activity and its a natural cycle. Already happen in history with about ten years of dryness and increasing famine.
Its normal and instead of wasting money we should learn to live with it. Anyway i repeat, reducing CO2 etc. its very good for health, so im very pro-nuclear enery, the only future energy mass.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
Anyway EU its already a totalitarian state and will going to be worse with Lisbon treaty increasing a kind of soft dictatorship...
Lisbon Treatu its so ambigous and aleatory, for example it give to eurocop power to fight to kill demostrating peoples in the street without specify anymore. And there are many and many sentences like that. Its ambiguous its very very disturbing and its a threat for democracy and freedom.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago 12
fish im italian, i know who i Elect !!!
Already told you, we are an exception, a comunist ones in our costitution, 'cause we dont elect President, for now......., BUT
WE ELECT GOVERNEMENT or at least the Head of the Governement, the Prime Minister in Italy its elected by the people.
Barroso its elected by political oligarchy like in medieval ages maybe.
Where you live ? Russia ? Without America Nazi had win WWII. You're just sharing socialist antiamerican propaganda and stop trolling please.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
Europejczycy nie oczekują walki zmkryzysem, który został wywołany przez te elity które chcą walczyć, nie chcą walki z globalnym ociepleniem, bo to mit, nie chcą państwowych polityk energetycznych itd. / Europeans do not expect fight with crisis, which was createted by elite which created this crisis, do not expect fight with global warming which is a myth, do not want energy politics created by goverments. EU is going to be totalitarian state.
Marech1984 2 years ago
The Light of almighty USA as you named, give us democracy and freedom from Nazy and Comunists and give us develop.
Lack of regulation ? This is a bullshit propaganda. Crysis came from industry delocalization. Do you even ever read a stock market regulation for example ? The little Italian one its heavy... The Wall Street and Federal Reserves have the most heavy financial regulation of the world !! LOL :-) I cant beleve it !
Take a look at NYSE homepage.....
bye bye LOL :)
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
The Americans DO have tens of thousand of pages of regulations, but noone even looks at them or enforces them!
I am sorry, but the freedom from nazi-fascism was gained with the blood of a lot more nations than just the USA. The D-day is not the only thing that happened in the WWII. My God, were you washed ashore yesterday?
The Greeks presented us with the democracy. Should we still be grateful to them? Of course not; because they are not the same people.
fishslo 2 years ago
for who is intested to better and real now about Lisbon treaty go there. I will spell 'cause this channel filter posts with it i dont know why...
X 0 9 dot (.) eu
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
Europe parlamentary system ? what f..... drug you use ??? :) France its presidential and peoples choice President. UK its a monarchy and people choice governement. Spain same ecc. . I can say the only one its Italy, but in fact we had comunist too wrote our costitution :-)
Commision is not named Governement to mislead and deceive peoples. WAKE UP ! Or just dont make trolling thanks.
and parlamentary system its the country of corruption...
totally agreed Spenner.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
Wrong again. France has a semi-presidential system, the UK is a parliamentary democracy AND a constitutional democracy, the same goes for Spain. Try Wikipedia sometimes.
The candidate for the post of the President of the Commission is proposed by the European Coucil. The Parliament could easily REJECT the candidate.
fishslo 2 years ago
ups, I meant the UK is a parliamentary democracy AND a constitutional MONARCHY.
fishslo 2 years ago
this is pointless.... they DONT elect governor or president. Peoples do it.
EU Coun They can propose whathever they want. The result its same: UNELECTED by people EU governement. The opposite of DEMOCRACY.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
You are mistaken. People of Italy (like in a majority of european countries) elect a parliament which then in turn, based on a coalition of parties, elects a government (and in your case, a President as well).
The European Parliament is fully elected by the people and has as such full control over what the Commission will look like.
fishslo 2 years ago
All hail our un-elected masters !
The German Constitutional Court ruled last month that the EU "parliament" is not legitimate due to it's inherant democratic deficit. Doesn't seem to stop them celebrating though. Nor did the record low turnout in the EU elections (15% in Latvia).
A Playmobil democracy for a Legoland parliament and an un-elected "supreme commission".
Democracy is dead in Europe.
Spenner56 2 years ago
500 million people should not get the Lisbon treaty because of that 1 million Irish voters who said NO.
Sorry, but thats absurd. Just leave please...
fishslo 2 years ago
hundrends of millions of European Citizens was and are AGAINST European Cositution and his disguised version in the Lisbon Treaty. So please dont beleve and spread Soviet Brussels propaganda :)
Even Berlusconi in last G8 said that if they do a Referendum on Lisbon Treaty in all Europe will be a fierce negative results.
Democracy and Freedom said and say no to EU in all Europe, thats the facts.did.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago 3
But Corrupted Eurpean banking system spread European funds to control territory just URSS and Comunist China did and still do.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
And I highly doubt the European banking system is as corrupt as you say. Especially in comparison with the Italian banking system, which is probably run by the Mafia.
fishslo 2 years ago
yeah so legal that nations had to change or will have to do it, even their own costitutions to ratify it !!!!
One of the lasts important politics talked about a kind of European Banking Mafia system was Jorg Haider and was killed after a misleading campaign against it in the past years....
Lisbon Treaty was done to let not understand common peoples, 'cause is the rejected European Costitution disguised.. as same eurofanatics politics said itself.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
So a referendum for you is not suitable to let peoples choice about their independence and freedom ? Such curious way about "democracy" you have... Hitler, Stalin, Mao have some in common with that..... Peoples have the right to choiche about national sovranity in democracy and in fact EU its a totalitarian regime not a democracy.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
Oh, please. Independence? Freedom? The sovereignty of each member of the EU is fully intact now and will be after the Lisbon treaty. That is the main reason the leaders did not opt for a referendum.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao? Why no Mussollini, I wonder...
fishslo 2 years ago
AH AH AH !!! You missed that about 75% of national laws and various governements regulamentations and policy ALREADY from EU, and if you dont want it EU retaliate with heavy fines to be paid ! So please dont be silly....
With Lisbon treay national sovranity will be wiped out: Legislative, Jurisdictional and Excutive powers will be centralized to EU Brussels governement.
Cospiracy theories ? You wrong i'm not one of them. You dont need it to undestand that Haider was likely murdered...
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
That is correct. The European Comission is a guardian of contracts, that's why it imposes fines on those member states that do not follow the rules. But remember, these rules are passed by the European Parliament in which all European citizens are represented. So that means at least 50% of all Europeans support that law.
The sovereignty of each member state is an absolute foundation and a prerequisite of this treaty. As long as the EU is a confederation, it will remain so.
fishslo 2 years ago
In democracy contracts guardians are the Judges. If you fail to fulfill a contract you can be be processed until 3 degress of judment.
And over the top who judge CANNOT MAKE LAW as European Commission. They make law and make judice and anyway its just an oligarchy UNELECTED. Anyway thats the point you talk about CONTRACTS. EU its just an economical and finacial treaty NOT a state. But They as UNELECETED, force state member to ratify laws... EU retaliation and fines are and insult to freedom
LightsEShadows 2 years ago 2
You are confusing EFTA and EU, which is not just an economic and financial institution. The Commission is proposed by the European Council and elected by the European Parliament. Both of those bodies comprise of elected representatives.
And yes, if the Commission suspects that a contract has been violated, it begins a procedure before the European Court of Justice, which then fines a member state. So the Commission is the guardian of contracts but the ECJ has the final say over fines.
fishslo 2 years ago
im not confusing nothing. EU its just a kind of EFTA with power to make is own rules, to force nation to ratify laws for his economyc interest of his oligarchy. But you are blinded from EU propaganda.
European Commission its the Real EU governement. The name commision its stupid and ridicolous.
In democracy and free nations, the governement its DIRECTLY ELECTED FROM PEOPLES and not nominated by other political and oligarchy powers.....
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
I agree to an extent. The Commission was not named a Government only because the leaders were nervous about what people might think. Though it has all the hallmarks of a government. But why should it matter either way? They work well and effectively.
And no, in the parliamentary systems which prevail in Europe (as opposed to the USA), people NEVER elect the government directly, only the parliament which then names the government. It's exactly the same in EU.
fishslo 2 years ago
And Haider did not get murdered. He had a car accident, because he was driving too fast and he was drunk. You know, coming from a gay bar, where he was cheating on his wife. He is the father of hipocrisy, so I wouldn't rely on his statements.
fishslo 2 years ago
I'm sorry to be nasty, but the fact that you put worth on anything that came out of Haider's gob is plain ridiculous. It only confirms my fear that you are merely one in a long line of people being deluded by conspiracy theories. You've probably seen Zeitgeist and are now on a mission to save humanity. Get some fresh air.
fishslo 2 years ago
The Lisbon treaty only makes the EU more (cost) effective, that's all.
Perhaps once it works as a well-oiled machine, you will change your opinion.
And your comparison of the EU to PRC or USSR is not based in reality and is highly insulting.
fishslo 2 years ago
Lisbon Treaty was done by Socialist, have the signatures by European Socialist like Italian Prodi and D'Alema o Schroeder in Germany etc. Was modelled on Soviet System that hurt ideal comunists too. Read it please. Thats why peoples from both political wings are against it.
Its highly insulting that right wing ratified this scandalous treaty by totally ingnoring peoples free choice with referendum. Its outragiuos and scandalos, they sold peoples rights to corrupted european bank system.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
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LightsEShadows 2 years ago
I have read the Treaty very carefully, thank you. And it is a rather remarkable legal document.
The only ones that are against it are lunatics like Klaus and Kaczyński.
A referendum is not a suitable instrument for highly complex questions like the Lisbon treaty. Most of the Irish voters have voted no because their government never even explained to them what the treaty was about.
fishslo 2 years ago
tell that to the 50+ million french and dutch who said no to this and were ignored. on the other hand only 3000 "party whipped" politicians said yes - dictacted to by their leader who signed up to push the same treaty. no referendums in any other country!
the only thing absurd is your ignorance.
frankwillissa 2 years ago
totally agreed Frank !! :)
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
There is no need to be rude. I elected my government to make decisions on my behalf. What part of that is so hard to grasp, I ask?
The French and the Dutch said no to the constitution. This is not a constitution, not in form, not in substance.
fishslo 2 years ago
Most Germans,Austrians and British also WANT A REFERENDUM on Lisbon !
The French,Dutch and Irish have ALL SAID NO !
Now THAT is what I call "absurd" !
Perhaps you would you like these 5 countries to leave the EU as well ?
Spenner56 2 years ago 2
Once again: the French and Dutch voters said no to the constitution; the Lisbon treaty is NOT the same document.
Wanting a referendum is not the same as having one.
fishslo 2 years ago
According to Merkel and co. it is 96% the same. You must know in your heart that this is a confidence trick !
Whatever the differences in the two versions, it is not honest...... and I don't trust dishonest people.
P.S. Thanks for Godwin's law,I looked it up.
Greetings from Germany.
Spenner56 2 years ago
I agree completely that it is 96% the same as the rejected constitution. But merely the fact that it is not called a "constitution", has a HUGE impact on the mentality of people and the EU itself.
It prevents the EU of becoming a super-state in name, but of course not in substance.
fishslo 2 years ago
The World Trade Organisation has a constitution. I suppose you wouldn't call the WTO a super state.
How would Lisbon transform the EU into a "super state" (a super vague term)?
The Council's president won't have any formal powers. If you consider effectiveness per se a superstate feature, however, then you might say that EU becomes a super state, since it prevents the Union from being a lame duck paralyzed by 27 vetoes in all areas of policy.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
I believe a better phrasing would be a "supra-state". I only meant to say that as sth "above, over". Nothing vague.
I derived it from the fact that the EU already is a kind of a supra-national organization.
The Council's president won't have any formal powers, true, but he will externally represent the Council and the Union. Now that has a lot of weight in global politics.
fishslo 2 years ago
Hm, it's even today quite hard to define the Council (not to mention the EU as a whole!) as being either supranational or intergovernmental. I don't think those labels are useful. The EU simply isn't constructed as a supranational pyramid with an alien government at the top.
But sure, the fact that the absurd and fragile system of rotating presidencies will be replaced by one, dedicated president, will of course strengthen the sense of EU unity at the world stage and serve Europe's intests.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
I find the wording "alien government" a bit strong. There's nothing alien about a government of a confederation (which the EU in essence is, albeit some federalist elements). I mean, you have an elected president of a commission and 27 commissioners from all member states. That sounds rather normal, doesn't it?
The Lisbon treaty merges all three pillars into one legal persona. Once there, I believe the view will be much clearer as the terminology regarding the EU is now all over the place.
fishslo 2 years ago
By saying that the EU doesn't have an "alien government on the top" I meant that member states are still in control. The members will always be sovereign states, and the EU's power will always derive from the member states and be 'pooled' at the EU level. The Commission isn't a government.
Yes, the maze of EU terminology has been so ridiculously incomprehensible for non-experts ever since the Treaty of Rome in the 50s. Lisbon changes this completely. No more "of the Communities" etc.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
" The members will always be sovereign states"
NONSENSE you fuckin devil.
Australianawareness 2 years ago
FUCK YOU
If you had read an EU treaty, you'd notice that all of them state that every member state is indivisibly sovereign.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
uhuh right mate...I will challenge you on the souvereignty thing.
let me ask you first, do you believe all countries should be able to make a choice if they want to "join in" or not?
do you or do you not?
Australianawareness 2 years ago
No country has ever been forced to join the EU. You understand extremely little if you think the EU has expanded through military conquest. And OF COURSE I think accession should remain a voluntary choice.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
no country has been forced?
ok lets take for example the Netherlands, they voted NO, and still got the Lisbon treaty ratified.
explain this simple fact to me, they voted no, but they got it anyway. go ahead..
Australianawareness 2 years ago
Aha.. so by "join in" you mean to ratify a treaty?
Right then..
The Netherlands is a sovereign representative democracy. Just like Ireland's sovereign decisions are respected, no one (not even you) should disrespect the Dutch parliament's decision to ratify or not ratify a treaty. It's ludicrous to suggest that some centralised EU powergrabber controls how the majority of the Dutch directly elected national chamber votes.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
no idiot, the dutch people said no to the constitution then they got it anyway under the guise of another name (lisbon treaty)
plaind and simple, they voted no, but government forced it upon them.
Australianawareness 2 years ago
Representative democracy is democracy, idiot.
The government didn't ratify the treaty, it was the directly elected parliament of the Dutch people. You can "rebel" as much as you like on "the Dutch people's behalf", but you should respect the sovereignty of the Netherlands, i.e. the Dutch parliament's rightful decision to choose a parliamentary ratification.
I'll also add that Lisbon and the Constitution are not the same.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
hey dork.
the dutch people were aksed for a Yes and no, they said NO. they got it anyway under a different name without consent. dork. now tell me smartass, what are the "differences" between Lisbon and the constitution acoording to you.....;)
keep trying hey.
Australianawareness 2 years ago
The Dutch consent to ratify the Lisbon Treaty was rightfully given in the Dutch parliament.
There are many differences, but first and foremost; the Treaty of Lisbon amends existing EU treaties, rather than re-founding the EU by replacing old texts with a single document with the status of a constitution. The UK, Poland and Ireland also got a series of new opt-outs.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
"The Dutch consent to ratify the Lisbon Treaty was rightfully given in the Dutch parliament."
No it wasn't since there was a: no consent for this of the people and B: the people said no to the constitution which is essentially the same thing as the lisbon treaty,
let me make it clear to you, I know what your agenda on the internet is, I am not talking to you to convince you of anything, I am just curious how you're going to try to talk yourself out of this, so Lisbon vs constitution, tell me
Australianawareness 2 years ago 2
When you say there was "no consent for this of the people" you fail to realise that if we are to respect the sovereignty of the Netherlands, we need to respect Dutch law, including the parliament's constitutional right to ratify international treaties.
Now you just ignored that I already have mentioned several vital differences between the Constitution and Lisbon.
This is clearly a discussion; my opinion is not more of an "agenda" than your opinion. I'm on no mission; I just have an opinion.
ssolbergj 2 years ago
hahahaha, no my friend, the dutch people have NOT given consent to THEIR representatives in THEIR government to introduce the lisbon treaty, the opposite, they've said NO to the constitution in a referendum. reply to that please.
so who are you, who do you work for my friend, you are just an innocent citizen loving the european constitution hey ;)
Australianawareness 2 years ago 2
Your ignorance of Dutch law shows shows that YOU disrespect national sovereignty. You can't decide when the Dutch constitution requires a referendum, and you have no authority to speak for the Dutch people. The Netherlands is a a representative democracy like it or not.
I'm not talking about the constitution, I talk about Lisbon. And you're a sinister anarchist hating the EU and disrespecting sovereign decisions hey?
ssolbergj 2 years ago
the dutch DID got a referendum on the constitution and they said NO, are your braincells still working?
"you have no authority to speak for the Dutch people". no my friend the dutch people themselves have spoken, this has nothing to do with me, this is the opinion of, the dutch people
"The Netherlands is a a representative democracy like it or not."
if that would be the case, the government would not ratify a treaty without the consent of the dutch people, the dutch people said NO
Australianawareness 2 years ago
fuck you, I am dutch we said fuckin no to OUR government in a referendum.
our government is controlled by the E.U. elite which is a part of the NWO elite, one world government, big centralised government. go fuck up someone else's country you bastard
dutchfreedoms 2 years ago 2
Thank you Spenner, at least someone here understands what is going on. The constitution court of Germany said that the EU is NOT democratic for several reasons, and the Lisbon treaty would only turn it into a non-democratic Superstate.
I have become deeply anti-EU with this Lisbon "treaty" trick. They are not even honest enough to call this constitution a constitution, to inform the peoples of Europe, and to make it clear and readable.
Be pro Europe and pro democracy - be against the EU.
mischnix 2 years ago
im Irish true and true... vote NO again .... we have been screwed by banks, builders, POLITATIONS, speculators, etc and EU DONT give a shit about us... never did... so NOW is our call to Independence from the FAT CATS which control our country,,,,, Vote NO... up the Irish....
fairhillnorrie 2 years ago 2
come on irish people everywhere. . V
fairhillnorrie 2 years ago
This is what the Lisbon treaty/constitution is really all about...playing with the big boys in China,Russia and the U.S.
"The need to bolster Europe's (the EU's) military capabilities to match our aspirations is more urgent than ever" (Javier Solana European Defence Agency).
Note the use of the word "aspirations" !
Have a nice war Brussels...but send your own children to fight and not ours.
P.S.We want our democracies back.
Greetings from Germany.
Spenner56 2 years ago
by sayin "people dont care" he ment that "PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND"
Koona85 2 years ago
Liar ! Peoples CARE about freedom and democracy and DONT want Lisbon Treaty !!
You can do all that as did in last 60years as NATO and Europe Alliances as FRIENDLY but INDEPENDENT STATES.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago 3
You suck, get the fuck out of europe you fucking fool!
ramonnl 2 years ago
Sorry lights but i thin that you didn't get what Jerzy want to tell you. In my opinion Jerzy will fight for independent needs of every state rather then pushing lisbon treaty through legislation process. Lisbon Treaty in fact like he said is very important tool but we can not stop to developing EU because of lack of tools to deal with.
danio987 2 years ago
nope Danio, read again my first post. We dont need Lisbon treaty to do all that. We can do it as NATO and Allied and friendly nations in international treaty without needs of EU and his corrupted and his costly and unnecessary structure.
Peoples against it care and understand too much well Lisbon treaty the disguised rejected European Costitution, thats the fact. Our governement are selling our rights to EU banking system. How many peoples recently voted for EU ?? Very few everywhere...
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
We can't act as a big and decisive player in world politics without speaking with one unified voice. Would you rather have Europe scattered again; each nation for itself?
And also, people didn't turn out in small numbers in recent EU elections because they oppose the EU but because they don't care.
fishslo 2 years ago
We dont need it to make such policy. We can do it as always did it, as NATO and America guided. We dont have the conditions to do that. So powerful European policy expecially in the world of today its a TREATH to the World Peace. EU strong policy will bring world near a new world confict. Almost All analyst fear that !!!
America and Russia will be threated by EU superstate and its obvious. Its already happened. Will happen again.. expecially with oil shortage.. We must Enforce NATO not EU.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
Independent Allied and Friendly nations are not scattered, are just more efficently and free.
European nations have not the conditions to be one nation. Too many differences and needs. How can you compare low italian and greece wages or prices to the industrial power of UK or Germany ?? Its only bring both to economic crysis like its happened. We must develop protezionism to better develop lands.
LightsEShadows 2 years ago 2
The EU does not aspire to be one nation, but a union of nations based on cooperation, diversity and mutual respect.
The differences in different markets will fade away eventually. That's why we have all sorts of mechanisms in place, like the Lisbon Strategy among others.
fishslo 2 years ago
Guided by the USA?! No, thank you. Let them guide themselves first.
And NATO is an outdated military alliance with no vision whatsoever, a relic from the past, nothing more.
If you think that a united Europe will lead the world to a conflict, you clearly know nothing about what the EU stands for. Please watch the sessions of the Parliament or its committes sometimes and observe the resolutions they pass.
fishslo 2 years ago
now its clear, you are doing just socialist anti-american propaganda. I have better things to do thanks :)
LightsEShadows 2 years ago
I am doing an anti-american socialist propaganda?!? Love, you are the one talking about being "guided by the Light of the almighty USA". Please, don't deflect.
fishslo 2 years ago
I did NOT go to vote but I DO care ! I cared enough NOT to give this illegitimate and un-democratic "parliament" my vote !
(See the German Constitutional Court's verdict on the EU "parliament" ).
"One unified voice" Do you mean one Führer etc..?
Europe is only strong if it is anchored on the rock of true democracy...not an un-elected Supreme Commission of burocrats !
Long live democratic,free Europe !
Spenner56 2 years ago 3
Please look up "Godwin's law" on Wikipedia.
fishslo 2 years ago
Well i've read this treaty and i'm not enthusiast of it either EU and shape which she obviously tend recently to fade.
But changes are unavoidable, like i said treaty isn't threat, only people of malice. EU will change shape in more liberal mind driven state. We are really reasonable people, when things will go wrong we will act against them.
Eu isn't any problem only our state of mind in which we let banks or other force steal our goods. Like U said.
danio987 2 years ago
Any way i think that Jerzy when he said "people don't care" he meant don't understand. And in this terms he will show new idea of Eu parlament.
danio987 2 years ago
I completely agree with your points! There is nothing wrong with the Lisbon treaty itself; it's just a matter if corrupt people will seize the opportunity, which I highly doubt, as one of the mottos of the EU is transparency.
And yes, people neither understand nor care how a more effective EU will form, they just want it, with Lisbon treaty or otherwise.
fishslo 2 years ago
Yeah but this EU and banking system and Lisbon Treaty was made it to let them steal our rights and freedom !!!!
Blackmail and retaliations treaths by EU are not democratic !!! And are even against most european nations costitutions. No way, for such things you MUST ask people if they want or not. They said NO !!!!!!!!!!
LightsEShadows 2 years ago 2