ACTS 2:38 38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Amazing pick! Joe Biden is extremely intelligent, very experienced, warm-hearted, charismatic, a great debater, tough when necessary...just a great, great guy...one of the few politicians who has never been involved in any financial or sex scandals! He would slaughter Romney in a VP debate...wow!
Unfortunately, I do not believe your assessment about Bayh giving the ticket a bounce in swing states like Virginia or Ohio is correct. I am a native Virginian and still reside here today. Virginia voters are complicated like a few other Southern states. While Virginians will typically have no issue voting for dem Governors, US Senators and Congress, they seem to have a little of a litmus test for voting for dems for President and VP. The dem must be viewed as a conservative dem like Sam Nunn.
Virginia and most other Southern states have not voted for a Democratic President since 1964 and if you have 2 dems on the ticket that are viewed as progressive or moderate, unfortunately, they will not win.
Bayh is also popular in Missouri, Kentucky and West Virginia, not that he'll guaranty a win in those states, but he'll definately win Ohio and Indianna for Obama.
Originally I was going with Webb but after hearing Kathleen Sebulius, I think she would be the IDEAL candidate. She can get women voters, she's likable and and non-polarizing unlike Hillary Clinton, and her views and policies are nearly identical to Obama. She also was an early supporter and she has governor experience. Webb and Clinton would be more useful in the Senate than as VP.
The problem I've always had with that comment is it suggests that Edwards should have won NC for Kerry. I disagree with that premise. Edwards was unpopular in NC at the time and wasn't going to win reelection had he run for Senate, but more than that, the Kerry campaign didn't advertise or campaign at all in NC and hid John Edwards away - so I really can't fault Edwards.
I believe Jim Webb would sure up Obama on several fronts; defense,economic populism,Webb as a former Republican ties into Obama's message of wanting to form a coalition of Democrats, Independants and dissaffected Republicans and I like Webb's tenacity. I also believe Webb could put a few states in play, like Virginia, that the Democrats have not won in presidential elections in a long time nationally.
You believe Webb could put which states into play based on what? His appeal to voters is largely unproven and he won the Virginia Senate race as a fluke, even after the Maccaca business. I think it would look so blatantly obvious politically to put Webb on the ticket.
Based on James Webb's message that he ran on in his race against George Allen that he could appeal to not just Democrats, but some Independants and disaffected Republicans. We he ran for Senate, he connected with working class voters on issues like NAFTA. He had a message of economic populism and common sense military policy for the security of this nation. IMO all of the other potential VP candidates mentioned thus far would only basically appeal to mainly other Democrats in blue states only.
Evan Bayh has no defense or military credentials. He would not sure up what could be Obama's strongest vulnerablility. While I like Clark, he is just not as strong as Senator Webb IMO. Also, Bayh voted for the Iraq war. That would undercut Obama's strong message against this war. A repeat of what we had in 2006 with both Kerry and Edwards having also voted for the Iraq war so that everytime they criticized Bush on the war, the media and Bush campaign would just gladly point to the Iraq war vote.
Like I said, Evan Bayh would be strong for OTHER REASONS. Bayh voted for the war - so what? That didn't keep Clinton from being competitive and beloved by many Democrats who preferred her over Obama in the states that he lost. You give no reason why Clark would not be as strong as Webb, just your humble opinion.
But Evan Byah, like I mentioned in the previous post, voted to authorize this Iraq War which would undercut Obama's message against the war the same way it undercut Kerry/Edwards back in 2004. Because Obama and Webb never supported the Iraq War, they make a clear contrast to McCain. While Obama and Webb were not in the Senate and didn't have to cast a vote, they spoke against it in their public comments when the Iraq War was viewed as popular to most of Americans and never supported it.
I disagree, Bayh, like most Americans favored the war at the beginning, but opposes it knowing what it has done to our economy, our standing in the world, and low success, but the surge did work. (I give credit to the Iraqis for that though) I don't think voters could care that Bayh, supported the war at first. Bayh brings in maybe white working class voters and he was a popular Democrat in a red rust belt state. Him considered boring may balance out the wild Obama. Obama needs to settle down!!
While I like Bayh, I still am not sure if he can pull enough votes in red states to help flip a few of those red states into the blue column. I think that Sam Nunn or James Webb could best bring in the Reagan democratic voter.
I wish people would give a look at Mitch Landrieu of Louisiana. Lt. Gov. in a red state (also served several terms as a state rep there), Catholic, prominent Southern Democratic political family (sister's a current LA Senator), charismatic, young, attractive. It boosts his current positions while adding a moderate Southern voice to the ticket to help in Southern states & swing states where he needs help shoring up white voters.
I'm in NM and would love to see Bill Richardson as Veep. It's like Chris Rock said, if you're the first black president you have to have a Mexican vice to keep people from assassinating you. Plus one is half black, one is half Mexican, it's all good. But do you guys think America could elect people who really reflect the demographics of the America of tomorrow?
I've thought the same thing since Richardson endorsed Obama. It would help Obama with Hispanics and in the southwest, and it would add some executive and foreign policy experience to the ticket. But yeah, I'm sure some would balk at the idea of voting for two brown guys.
Meh. It'd be interesting to see if people of color plus liberal and liberal-leaning people in general are able to build a coalition big enough to win a presidential election. Some states would definitely never go for it but I think a majority would. If Obama really wants to challenge the nation, this would be a good way to start. Plus, anyone who has ever heard Bill Richardson speak in English or Spanish knows he's no stereotype either way.
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shreko77 3 years ago
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Amazing pick! Joe Biden is extremely intelligent, very experienced, warm-hearted, charismatic, a great debater, tough when necessary...just a great, great guy...one of the few politicians who has never been involved in any financial or sex scandals! He would slaughter Romney in a VP debate...wow!
artistmgmt 3 years ago
Unfortunately, I do not believe your assessment about Bayh giving the ticket a bounce in swing states like Virginia or Ohio is correct. I am a native Virginian and still reside here today. Virginia voters are complicated like a few other Southern states. While Virginians will typically have no issue voting for dem Governors, US Senators and Congress, they seem to have a little of a litmus test for voting for dems for President and VP. The dem must be viewed as a conservative dem like Sam Nunn.
vrj40 3 years ago
Virginia and most other Southern states have not voted for a Democratic President since 1964 and if you have 2 dems on the ticket that are viewed as progressive or moderate, unfortunately, they will not win.
vrj40 3 years ago
Bayh is also popular in Missouri, Kentucky and West Virginia, not that he'll guaranty a win in those states, but he'll definately win Ohio and Indianna for Obama.
ManlySlut 3 years ago
good, but y'all need a teleprompter.
mojodiego 3 years ago
Why is Kaine only limited one term as gov of Virginia?
Obama/Sebelius 08
Bkah558 3 years ago
no he needs bayh
Obama/Bayh 08
NewMadrid01 3 years ago 6
Why not a little transparency in Obama's campaign
(Rove)Obama/Soros/Auchi
puffenstuff07 3 years ago
Obama should take Bayh over biden because bayh could carry indiana with him but biden brings nothing.
olumide1981 3 years ago
Obama/Bayh
ManlySlut 3 years ago 4
At first I wanted Webb, but when he was out the race, I was all for Bayh, joining the party, joining the country, ending the war.
ManlySlut 3 years ago
Obama/Warner 08
tjmuk 3 years ago
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Obama will pick either Karl Marx or V.I. Lenin because they both share Obama's political and economic views.
CASSMAN777 3 years ago
At least he didn't choose Hilter and Mussolini.
Basta11 3 years ago
Yeah they weren't socialist enough for them so he didn't pick them.
CASSMAN777 3 years ago
OBAMA/CLARK 08
tecnokid 3 years ago 2
Obama is truly for change, he needs Ron Paul for VP !!!
jhesford 3 years ago
ummmmmmmmmmmmm no
someperson111 3 years ago
Originally I was going with Webb but after hearing Kathleen Sebulius, I think she would be the IDEAL candidate. She can get women voters, she's likable and and non-polarizing unlike Hillary Clinton, and her views and policies are nearly identical to Obama. She also was an early supporter and she has governor experience. Webb and Clinton would be more useful in the Senate than as VP.
Bluetrooper 3 years ago
No one knows Sebulius and women have been voting Democrat for 40+ years. She is a slap in Clinton supporter faces too.
Obama needs white male voters which =Webb and would also get military veterans and has experience outside of Washing and foreign policy.
00SoldierofFortune00 3 years ago
Obama/Kaine 08" Unstoppable
jhay86 3 years ago
Also, I like John Edwards, but he could not even win his own home state of North Carolina in 2004 when he was John Kerry's VP.
vrj40 3 years ago
The problem I've always had with that comment is it suggests that Edwards should have won NC for Kerry. I disagree with that premise. Edwards was unpopular in NC at the time and wasn't going to win reelection had he run for Senate, but more than that, the Kerry campaign didn't advertise or campaign at all in NC and hid John Edwards away - so I really can't fault Edwards.
Nominay 3 years ago
I believe Jim Webb would sure up Obama on several fronts; defense,economic populism,Webb as a former Republican ties into Obama's message of wanting to form a coalition of Democrats, Independants and dissaffected Republicans and I like Webb's tenacity. I also believe Webb could put a few states in play, like Virginia, that the Democrats have not won in presidential elections in a long time nationally.
Obama
Webb
08
vrj40 3 years ago
You believe Webb could put which states into play based on what? His appeal to voters is largely unproven and he won the Virginia Senate race as a fluke, even after the Maccaca business. I think it would look so blatantly obvious politically to put Webb on the ticket.
Nominay 3 years ago
Based on James Webb's message that he ran on in his race against George Allen that he could appeal to not just Democrats, but some Independants and disaffected Republicans. We he ran for Senate, he connected with working class voters on issues like NAFTA. He had a message of economic populism and common sense military policy for the security of this nation. IMO all of the other potential VP candidates mentioned thus far would only basically appeal to mainly other Democrats in blue states only.
vrj40 3 years ago
That's bullshit. Wesley Clark would appeal similarly to voters at least as effectively, and Evan Bayh would be strong as well for his other reasons.
Nominay 3 years ago
Evan Bayh has no defense or military credentials. He would not sure up what could be Obama's strongest vulnerablility. While I like Clark, he is just not as strong as Senator Webb IMO. Also, Bayh voted for the Iraq war. That would undercut Obama's strong message against this war. A repeat of what we had in 2006 with both Kerry and Edwards having also voted for the Iraq war so that everytime they criticized Bush on the war, the media and Bush campaign would just gladly point to the Iraq war vote.
vrj40 3 years ago
Like I said, Evan Bayh would be strong for OTHER REASONS. Bayh voted for the war - so what? That didn't keep Clinton from being competitive and beloved by many Democrats who preferred her over Obama in the states that he lost. You give no reason why Clark would not be as strong as Webb, just your humble opinion.
Nominay 3 years ago
Bayh is on the armed forces committee..
msm20032003 3 years ago
But Evan Byah, like I mentioned in the previous post, voted to authorize this Iraq War which would undercut Obama's message against the war the same way it undercut Kerry/Edwards back in 2004. Because Obama and Webb never supported the Iraq War, they make a clear contrast to McCain. While Obama and Webb were not in the Senate and didn't have to cast a vote, they spoke against it in their public comments when the Iraq War was viewed as popular to most of Americans and never supported it.
vrj40 3 years ago
I disagree, Bayh, like most Americans favored the war at the beginning, but opposes it knowing what it has done to our economy, our standing in the world, and low success, but the surge did work. (I give credit to the Iraqis for that though) I don't think voters could care that Bayh, supported the war at first. Bayh brings in maybe white working class voters and he was a popular Democrat in a red rust belt state. Him considered boring may balance out the wild Obama. Obama needs to settle down!!
greg2009 3 years ago
While I like Bayh, I still am not sure if he can pull enough votes in red states to help flip a few of those red states into the blue column. I think that Sam Nunn or James Webb could best bring in the Reagan democratic voter.
vrj40 3 years ago
Look at geography and polls, Bayh is from indiana which has about 12 electoral votes I believe and McCain and Obama are running even in that state
dominicpodom 3 years ago
JIM WEBB gave the dem response to the state of the union. not TIM KAINE
vabigpoppa 3 years ago
If this video was made a day later would you have included Edwards? I see him as a good choice even though he already has NC's vote
notreallyhere1022 3 years ago
I wish people would give a look at Mitch Landrieu of Louisiana. Lt. Gov. in a red state (also served several terms as a state rep there), Catholic, prominent Southern Democratic political family (sister's a current LA Senator), charismatic, young, attractive. It boosts his current positions while adding a moderate Southern voice to the ticket to help in Southern states & swing states where he needs help shoring up white voters.
catfishngrits 3 years ago
I'm in NM and would love to see Bill Richardson as Veep. It's like Chris Rock said, if you're the first black president you have to have a Mexican vice to keep people from assassinating you. Plus one is half black, one is half Mexican, it's all good. But do you guys think America could elect people who really reflect the demographics of the America of tomorrow?
sethreeves1982 3 years ago
I've thought the same thing since Richardson endorsed Obama. It would help Obama with Hispanics and in the southwest, and it would add some executive and foreign policy experience to the ticket. But yeah, I'm sure some would balk at the idea of voting for two brown guys.
soyelquesocremo 3 years ago
Meh. It'd be interesting to see if people of color plus liberal and liberal-leaning people in general are able to build a coalition big enough to win a presidential election. Some states would definitely never go for it but I think a majority would. If Obama really wants to challenge the nation, this would be a good way to start. Plus, anyone who has ever heard Bill Richardson speak in English or Spanish knows he's no stereotype either way.
sethreeves1982 3 years ago
Dave Chappelle said that.
glory789 3 years ago