@machinehead110 - I agree with you! Thanks to this video breaking it down so I could see it was so helpful. I got the chance to try to see and figure out what all the movements Yip Chun was doing for and I know a little bit about pressure points. I really liked what I saw.
You guys are idiots watching this form as this last form is a proggressive form in learning to use Qi in throwing your strikes. Do not even attempt this form un less you have mastered the first two. There is more in this movement than you can see So if I were you I would start studying the history and philosophy in wing chun. Because my understanding of this is that wing chun also used pressure point striking as in dim mak but without the flow of energy you will never master this.
@machinehead110 You may be right about the hidden Chi-Gung inside the Wing Chun forms but there is another detail that came in my mind; there are a lot of Wing Chun Masters who are unaware of the flow of energy in their movements however they do have that flow regardless of their consciousness about its existence.
Guys, some of you say, "why his hands move just a little when doing this form", "how could this really work?", biu jee was a secret form, it holds secrets to it's true power only known to the practitioner of the form/style. A lot of people hate on yip chun, but unless you touched hands with him, you can't talk about his skills.
Leung Ting learned nothing from Ip Man. By the time Leung Ting met Ip Man, he was too old and sick to teach him anything. He only learned from other students. And I say again regarding this way of doing Biu Tze, that it is wrong. You can not train a forward motion that indeed needs resistance training to succesfully inflict damage on an opponent, but that moving your hand up and down and side to side, is contrary to the necesary straight forward energy. You do what you practice.
@bl00zjamma You sound very interested in wing chun. Do you train wing chun and do you have a sifu? If you want to know more about this art and how and why it works perhaps you tube is not the place to learn. Just saying ;)
What you say about Wong Shun Leung cannot be true. He must have learned both weapons from Yip Man. I train under his student Philipp Bayer (and his students) and he is perfect with both weapons and he learned everything from Wong Shun Leung.
I didnt say my statement was flawless or absolute truth. But my research shows WSL didnt learn the last 2 forms from Yip Man,rather,from his other students.
They all shared knowledge of what they knew best after Yip Man died.
Do you have a source for that claim? I really can't believe it, since Philipp is so perfect with the knives and the pole. And honestly I have not seen or heard of good Wing Chun from any Yip Man student except from Wong Shun Leung.
Do you have a source for that claim? I really can't believe it, since Philipp is so perfect with the knives and the pole. And honestly I have not seen or heard of good Wing Chun from any Yip Man student except from Wong Shun Leung.
Yip Chun started when he was around 30 years old ( he showed some interest as a child also ),as stated by himself. He met Yip Man after 20 + years in Hong Kong. Yip Man left when they were very young. Since they ( both brothers ) didnt have the utmost interest in Wing Chun,Yip Man showed more to his closest students. Later,all of them together,systemized Wing Chun into what it is today since no one knew the entire system.
@30toninho It's only because Ip Man studied under Leung Bik, son of Leung Jan, (Ip's sifu's sifu). Leung Jan only taught Biu Tze to his sons, and not Chan Wah Shun to give his sons a technical advantage. If Leung Bik had died before Ip found him, Biu Tze would no longer exist.
Please, no negative comments. Everything you see here was tought by Yip Man. It's not about strength and tensing all of your muscles, overloading you muscles. You have to know where to look to get answeres. The Path to Wing Chun by Samual Kwok is a start!
Can someone please explain to me if this form is called "Thrusting" fingers, what exactly all that up and down and side to side waving of his hand is at the beginning? Of what possible use is it? What could it be good for in training? Looks very weak. Not the way Wong Shun Leung did it at all.
@bl00zjamma i believe it is supposed to allow more flexibility in the wrist for when you need to turn and the more often you use it in a motion the stronger it will be and may allow you to hold your attacks straight
@SouthernLogik , Sorry, but from what I know about flexibility training, that gentle motion has no mechanism by which it can increase flexibility. And to become stronger, you need to overload a muscle group to improve strenght. That motion nowhere nears the overload point. And again, if it is "Thrusting Fingers" why no thrusting???
@bl00zjamma it's an old video but you're just not paying attention. he is using biu sau, a thrusting finger attack multiple times in this set. all you gotta do is do a search here for biu tze or biu jee and find a better video
There is a saying, that father and son never reach the same level of their craftmanship. Since Yip Man was THAT legendary, his sons could only fulfill the saying... At least Yip Chun was one of the few, who inherited the `full´ set of pictures and videos of his father doing the first, second, third and fourth form. As far as I know Yip Chun and Yip Ching had different instructors - which one can see
I must say the one thing that truly amazes me is the different permeatations of the wing chun system. every WC practioner has looked at others performing the very same art, and questioned " who is right? " the answer is a simple one: SLT teaches us the letters of the alphabet so to speak, and the words we form from those letters differ according to the " dialect " in which we speak ; however, the word is still made up from the same letters no matter what tongue we use to speak them.
it is true that ip chun was a late starter to wing chun, he showed very little inteterest in the art as a youngster. he did train from the age of seven for a few years, but as mentioned, GM ip encouraged that both he and ip ching focus on their studies. As I understand it, Ip ching never truly returned to learning, but ip chun did indeed complete the system but it is not known whether he finished under his father or learned the rest from one of his father's students. very good form
@milfmummy He did *not* train to a significant extent with Ip Man. The tension he carries in his shoulders to this day show that he was never as proficient as some of Ip Man's other students.
As usuall a bunch of people are looking for the wrong thing in this video... appreciate the detail this grandmaster is offering if you see something he is missing call him up and offer him ving tsun lessons.
@YourUnderworld right atittude wrong stittude i don t know i am doing wing tsun ( from sifu salih avci ) for a long time and it worked in every situation i had in the last 15 years , the only atittude nececcary is the will to fight and win and to do it , straight .
Yip Chun started training at 7 years old by his Dad, who most of you will know is Ip Man, Ip Man famously taught Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee and Ip Chun were taught in the same class, Ip Chun taught Master Samuel Kwok who then taught a guy called Sifu Harry Cannon, obviously Ip Man taught other people who then went on to teach but in my eye's this one is the best lineage to follow! Many of you may know the name Sifu Shaun Rawcliffe,
my opinion is that if he 's not yp man son, and if his name not ip chun, all people that look this performance, think that he is a beginner, and also a not talent beginner. however respect for a gm. and respect all practician people of this leniage.
From what I've read and heard, Ip Chun learnt a bit of Wing Chun when he was a boy in the mainland with his father. He was also taught the first form, Shil Lim Tao, by one of Yip Man's peers, Yuen Kay San, which is a whole other lineage these days. Pretty incredible. But he says he had very little interest when he was young, and forgot most of it. In an interview, in Chinese, he stated that he was 80 something years old and had been practising for 40 odd years. Did he fight? Do the math.
Nirvaca, the elbow moves at the start og Bil Jee, not just the fingers. GM Yip's sons showed little intest in Wing/Ving chun but they were used by a cetain little wife beater
He continued to start actually learning out of Chinese tradition since the first born usually took after the trade of the father. Very eastern minded aspect! Out of that respect, Ip Chun learned Wing Chun from his father until his father passed in 1972.
Could anyone please tell me, when Yip Chun started training... as it was my undersatnding that when they were young they had no interest in Wing Chun....
... so based upon that i was wondering to what extent were they as knowledegable as their father .. Ip Man.
GrandMaster Ip Chun started training when he was very young. Your sores is right, at first he didn't like training. But when he was a late teen, He wished to continue his training with his father GrandMaster Ip Man!
@nivarica he started training at a very young age(I forgot the exact age he started), but soon quit after some time as he and his brother are busy with their studies. After the second world war, ip man escaped to hong kong without his wife and his 2 son. At the age around 36 to 39, ip chun moved to hong kong and live with his father, he then started wing chun again because of the influences by the teaching of his father.
@nivarica from what I know, it was until when he came from china to live with his father during the 60s or late 50s, then started training with his father again. So it should be in his 30s when he started wing chun.
@nivarica They started in china before the communists took over in foshan but soon lost intrest.Then the communists took over and when they said he couldn't teach chinese music and art anymore,he moved to hong kong with his bro ip ching when mao was allowing ppl to leave cuz he thought china was so awesome.So in hong kong,he picked up wing chun by night with his 2 brothers and was thought by ip man and was a news reporter by day.
@nivarica He learned in foshan as a kid but lost intrest.Then mao took over and forced him to stop teaching in a school and live as a farmer.So he with his brother emigrated to Hong Kong where he was a news reporter by day and learned wing chun by night.
@nivarica Ip Chun started training at 7, however, if you look to history, Ip Chun had no want for Wing Chun or taking in his father's footsteps. He would only later take on the system out respect due to the tradition that the son often takes on the father's trade of business. Since this was Wing Chun, it became the system of Ip Chun. As both sons did not get to learn as deep as one could on Wing Chun, they often had to learn from others on interpretations of their father's work.
@nivarica my sifu is from HK and learned under Leung Sheung. He told me (basically) that Yip Chun and Yip Ching didn't want to learn Wing Chun. They were also angry at their father for leaving them, Yip man was also living with another woman too. But they were poor so they eventually learned it so they could teach it to make a living.
@nivarica he learned from his dad when he was young, but as you said he wasnt interested. after ip man moved to hong kong, ip chun stayed behind in foshan to teach (history, i think) and it wasnt until later that foshan was evacuated and ip chun joined ip man in hong kong, so as an adult he relearned his fathers art
@nivarica Ip Chun began studying Wing Chun at 13. When Ip Man left Foshan for Hong Kong due to the communist take over, Ip Chun and his younger brother went to college. When they graduated, they moved with their father at age 24 to resume their training under them, where they eventually became Wing Chun Masters under their fathers tutelage. So they are as knowledgable as their father.
@nivarica Hello, this weekend I'll get round to making a video documenting Yip Chun's life. I hope it answers your questions. Thanks masterpity for this :)
@nivarica , true they only started training wing chun after it got famous. Unfortunately ppl only see, hey its yip man son so he has to be good... instead of looking at their skill
@machinehead110
You can never master the forms, you can only keep learning.
Tulukastaz 4 weeks ago
@machinehead110 - I agree with you! Thanks to this video breaking it down so I could see it was so helpful. I got the chance to try to see and figure out what all the movements Yip Chun was doing for and I know a little bit about pressure points. I really liked what I saw.
tienneil 2 months ago
You guys are idiots watching this form as this last form is a proggressive form in learning to use Qi in throwing your strikes. Do not even attempt this form un less you have mastered the first two. There is more in this movement than you can see So if I were you I would start studying the history and philosophy in wing chun. Because my understanding of this is that wing chun also used pressure point striking as in dim mak but without the flow of energy you will never master this.
machinehead110 2 months ago
@machinehead110 You may be right about the hidden Chi-Gung inside the Wing Chun forms but there is another detail that came in my mind; there are a lot of Wing Chun Masters who are unaware of the flow of energy in their movements however they do have that flow regardless of their consciousness about its existence.
Achilles1987 2 months ago
@machinehead110 true true
ejsi 2 months ago
@machinehead110 "as in dim mak"
No such thing. Dim Mak has long been proven to be a myth.
Pressure point striking? Sure.
Dim Mak? No.
gambleyourhealth 2 weeks ago
Guys, some of you say, "why his hands move just a little when doing this form", "how could this really work?", biu jee was a secret form, it holds secrets to it's true power only known to the practitioner of the form/style. A lot of people hate on yip chun, but unless you touched hands with him, you can't talk about his skills.
SchizophrenicNYC 3 months ago
Leung Ting learned nothing from Ip Man. By the time Leung Ting met Ip Man, he was too old and sick to teach him anything. He only learned from other students. And I say again regarding this way of doing Biu Tze, that it is wrong. You can not train a forward motion that indeed needs resistance training to succesfully inflict damage on an opponent, but that moving your hand up and down and side to side, is contrary to the necesary straight forward energy. You do what you practice.
bl00zjamma 3 months ago
@bl00zjamma You sound very interested in wing chun. Do you train wing chun and do you have a sifu? If you want to know more about this art and how and why it works perhaps you tube is not the place to learn. Just saying ;)
jasma98 1 week ago
By doing interviews with masters of various lineages (all of Yip Man's students),only few things are known as facts :
1. Tsui Shun Ting had a vast Siu Lim Tao understanding as he practiced it the most and thus,Yip Man gave the most insight of the form to him.
2. Lok Yiu - Chum Kiu
3. Leung Sheung - Biu Tze and most of the system.
4. Wong Shun Leung - He learned everything but Dragon pole and knives from Yip Man
5.Leung Ting - He learned and understood the Dummy form under Yip Man
Svemocn1Vidar 5 months ago
@Svemocn1Vidar
What you say about Wong Shun Leung cannot be true. He must have learned both weapons from Yip Man. I train under his student Philipp Bayer (and his students) and he is perfect with both weapons and he learned everything from Wong Shun Leung.
SSvveenn123 5 months ago
@SSvveenn123
I didnt say my statement was flawless or absolute truth. But my research shows WSL didnt learn the last 2 forms from Yip Man,rather,from his other students.
They all shared knowledge of what they knew best after Yip Man died.
Svemocn1Vidar 5 months ago
@Svemocn1Vidar
Do you have a source for that claim? I really can't believe it, since Philipp is so perfect with the knives and the pole. And honestly I have not seen or heard of good Wing Chun from any Yip Man student except from Wong Shun Leung.
SSvveenn123 5 months ago
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@Svemocn1Vidar
Do you have a source for that claim? I really can't believe it, since Philipp is so perfect with the knives and the pole. And honestly I have not seen or heard of good Wing Chun from any Yip Man student except from Wong Shun Leung.
SSvveenn123 5 months ago
Yip Chun started when he was around 30 years old ( he showed some interest as a child also ),as stated by himself. He met Yip Man after 20 + years in Hong Kong. Yip Man left when they were very young. Since they ( both brothers ) didnt have the utmost interest in Wing Chun,Yip Man showed more to his closest students. Later,all of them together,systemized Wing Chun into what it is today since no one knew the entire system.
Nobody finished the entire system under Yip Man.
Svemocn1Vidar 5 months ago
we need to be appriciative that this form is even available for people to learn from.
30toninho 6 months ago
@30toninho It's only because Ip Man studied under Leung Bik, son of Leung Jan, (Ip's sifu's sifu). Leung Jan only taught Biu Tze to his sons, and not Chan Wah Shun to give his sons a technical advantage. If Leung Bik had died before Ip found him, Biu Tze would no longer exist.
sickness324 5 months ago
does anyone know the name of this song?
slate1 6 months ago
Please, no negative comments. Everything you see here was tought by Yip Man. It's not about strength and tensing all of your muscles, overloading you muscles. You have to know where to look to get answeres. The Path to Wing Chun by Samual Kwok is a start!
MrLucienIII 6 months ago
Those Shoes look very comfortable sifu
Jhoodemcee 6 months ago
Yip Chun son of Yip Man.. Stances are used correctly, good eye contact, nice balance as well as nice use of hand work... Looks like his Father *Man*.
logan252252 7 months ago
Can someone please explain to me if this form is called "Thrusting" fingers, what exactly all that up and down and side to side waving of his hand is at the beginning? Of what possible use is it? What could it be good for in training? Looks very weak. Not the way Wong Shun Leung did it at all.
bl00zjamma 7 months ago
@bl00zjamma i believe it is supposed to allow more flexibility in the wrist for when you need to turn and the more often you use it in a motion the stronger it will be and may allow you to hold your attacks straight
SouthernLogik 7 months ago
@SouthernLogik , Sorry, but from what I know about flexibility training, that gentle motion has no mechanism by which it can increase flexibility. And to become stronger, you need to overload a muscle group to improve strenght. That motion nowhere nears the overload point. And again, if it is "Thrusting Fingers" why no thrusting???
bl00zjamma 6 months ago
@bl00zjamma it's an old video but you're just not paying attention. he is using biu sau, a thrusting finger attack multiple times in this set. all you gotta do is do a search here for biu tze or biu jee and find a better video
SouthernLogik 6 months ago
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N4K5 8 months ago
He has an amazing stance
mcmuffin4151 9 months ago
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cloudxtraining 10 months ago
There is a saying, that father and son never reach the same level of their craftmanship. Since Yip Man was THAT legendary, his sons could only fulfill the saying... At least Yip Chun was one of the few, who inherited the `full´ set of pictures and videos of his father doing the first, second, third and fourth form. As far as I know Yip Chun and Yip Ching had different instructors - which one can see
11Kralle 10 months ago
Thank you for the post. Great clip.
zutt3 11 months ago
I must say the one thing that truly amazes me is the different permeatations of the wing chun system. every WC practioner has looked at others performing the very same art, and questioned " who is right? " the answer is a simple one: SLT teaches us the letters of the alphabet so to speak, and the words we form from those letters differ according to the " dialect " in which we speak ; however, the word is still made up from the same letters no matter what tongue we use to speak them.
milfmummy 11 months ago
it is true that ip chun was a late starter to wing chun, he showed very little inteterest in the art as a youngster. he did train from the age of seven for a few years, but as mentioned, GM ip encouraged that both he and ip ching focus on their studies. As I understand it, Ip ching never truly returned to learning, but ip chun did indeed complete the system but it is not known whether he finished under his father or learned the rest from one of his father's students. very good form
milfmummy 11 months ago
@milfmummy He did *not* train to a significant extent with Ip Man. The tension he carries in his shoulders to this day show that he was never as proficient as some of Ip Man's other students.
Kwimalo 4 months ago
As usuall a bunch of people are looking for the wrong thing in this video... appreciate the detail this grandmaster is offering if you see something he is missing call him up and offer him ving tsun lessons.
DaKenc 1 year ago
@YourUnderworld right atittude wrong stittude i don t know i am doing wing tsun ( from sifu salih avci ) for a long time and it worked in every situation i had in the last 15 years , the only atittude nececcary is the will to fight and win and to do it , straight .
GonG108 1 year ago
ip chings biu gee looks way better but this is cool none the less
angerslave1 1 year ago
His name isn't even "Ip Chun"/"Yip Chun" it's Ip Man/Yip Man. He isn't in any way related to the creator of Wing Chun.
WhiteLeopardMonk 1 year ago
@WhiteLeopardMonk his name is Ip Chun, his father's name was Ip Man. His first name is 'Chun' so it has nothing to do with the creator of Wing Chun..
ncl1p 1 year ago
i am very sorry but somehow this looks not very skilled , are you sure that this is yip chun ? maybe someone else who claims to be i don t know
GonG108 1 year ago
@GonG108 nah, nigga's just old.
Jynx93 1 year ago
@GonG108 This is Ip Chun. 1st son of Ip Man.
jasma98 1 year ago
@jasma98 far as i know he was not very interested in wing tsun or chun but this could be a rumor
GonG108 1 year ago
he spent many many years training with Ip Chun, and if you want a book that is the most formative, buy Simply Wing Chun by Shaun Rawcliffe....
oliverwhite28 1 year ago
Yip Chun started training at 7 years old by his Dad, who most of you will know is Ip Man, Ip Man famously taught Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee and Ip Chun were taught in the same class, Ip Chun taught Master Samuel Kwok who then taught a guy called Sifu Harry Cannon, obviously Ip Man taught other people who then went on to teach but in my eye's this one is the best lineage to follow! Many of you may know the name Sifu Shaun Rawcliffe,
oliverwhite28 1 year ago
my opinion is that if he 's not yp man son, and if his name not ip chun, all people that look this performance, think that he is a beginner, and also a not talent beginner. however respect for a gm. and respect all practician people of this leniage.
i dont want to offend nobody.
link2560 1 year ago
i think he can be master and give training to earn money, if not, how he survive?
Even milk and bread need money to buy~ Give training is better that working and no boss keep looking at behind you.
Robocoptubeyou 1 year ago
From what I've read and heard, Ip Chun learnt a bit of Wing Chun when he was a boy in the mainland with his father. He was also taught the first form, Shil Lim Tao, by one of Yip Man's peers, Yuen Kay San, which is a whole other lineage these days. Pretty incredible. But he says he had very little interest when he was young, and forgot most of it. In an interview, in Chinese, he stated that he was 80 something years old and had been practising for 40 odd years. Did he fight? Do the math.
llunchbox 1 year ago
Nirvaca, the elbow moves at the start og Bil Jee, not just the fingers. GM Yip's sons showed little intest in Wing/Ving chun but they were used by a cetain little wife beater
MERVILLE3 1 year ago
wtf????? i dont get it !!!!
duylaipro 1 year ago
He continued to start actually learning out of Chinese tradition since the first born usually took after the trade of the father. Very eastern minded aspect! Out of that respect, Ip Chun learned Wing Chun from his father until his father passed in 1972.
tdbevolution 2 years ago
Could anyone please tell me, when Yip Chun started training... as it was my undersatnding that when they were young they had no interest in Wing Chun....
... so based upon that i was wondering to what extent were they as knowledegable as their father .. Ip Man.
nivarica 2 years ago 8
sorry...was unable to find anything about Yip Chun's start in Wing Chun martial art.
masterpity 2 years ago
GrandMaster Ip Chun started training when he was very young. Your sores is right, at first he didn't like training. But when he was a late teen, He wished to continue his training with his father GrandMaster Ip Man!
jkds3 2 years ago
@nivarica he started training at a very young age(I forgot the exact age he started), but soon quit after some time as he and his brother are busy with their studies. After the second world war, ip man escaped to hong kong without his wife and his 2 son. At the age around 36 to 39, ip chun moved to hong kong and live with his father, he then started wing chun again because of the influences by the teaching of his father.
clock02 1 year ago
@nivarica he started at 7
Thepingpongplaya 1 year ago
@nivarica from what I know, it was until when he came from china to live with his father during the 60s or late 50s, then started training with his father again. So it should be in his 30s when he started wing chun.
clock02 1 year ago
@nivarica They started in china before the communists took over in foshan but soon lost intrest.Then the communists took over and when they said he couldn't teach chinese music and art anymore,he moved to hong kong with his bro ip ching when mao was allowing ppl to leave cuz he thought china was so awesome.So in hong kong,he picked up wing chun by night with his 2 brothers and was thought by ip man and was a news reporter by day.
joel5673ify 1 year ago
@nivarica He learned in foshan as a kid but lost intrest.Then mao took over and forced him to stop teaching in a school and live as a farmer.So he with his brother emigrated to Hong Kong where he was a news reporter by day and learned wing chun by night.
joel5673ify 1 year ago
@nivarica Ip Chun started training at 7, however, if you look to history, Ip Chun had no want for Wing Chun or taking in his father's footsteps. He would only later take on the system out respect due to the tradition that the son often takes on the father's trade of business. Since this was Wing Chun, it became the system of Ip Chun. As both sons did not get to learn as deep as one could on Wing Chun, they often had to learn from others on interpretations of their father's work.
tdbevolution 11 months ago
@nivarica my sifu is from HK and learned under Leung Sheung. He told me (basically) that Yip Chun and Yip Ching didn't want to learn Wing Chun. They were also angry at their father for leaving them, Yip man was also living with another woman too. But they were poor so they eventually learned it so they could teach it to make a living.
ChinatownDragonKC 10 months ago
@nivarica he learned from his dad when he was young, but as you said he wasnt interested. after ip man moved to hong kong, ip chun stayed behind in foshan to teach (history, i think) and it wasnt until later that foshan was evacuated and ip chun joined ip man in hong kong, so as an adult he relearned his fathers art
Peetahwithhisgeetah 5 months ago
@nivarica Ip Chun began studying Wing Chun at 13. When Ip Man left Foshan for Hong Kong due to the communist take over, Ip Chun and his younger brother went to college. When they graduated, they moved with their father at age 24 to resume their training under them, where they eventually became Wing Chun Masters under their fathers tutelage. So they are as knowledgable as their father.
sickness324 5 months ago
@nivarica Hello, this weekend I'll get round to making a video documenting Yip Chun's life. I hope it answers your questions. Thanks masterpity for this :)
TheFlowMeister 5 months ago
@nivarica , true they only started training wing chun after it got famous. Unfortunately ppl only see, hey its yip man son so he has to be good... instead of looking at their skill
CodenameIQ 4 months ago