Odd that no one can find a recorded case of anyone with this much heroin in their system who was able to stay conscious. Seems someone else fired the gun.
Kurt committed suicide and people should just stop talking about it. Read Heavier Than Heaven and you'll understand. He WANTED it to end that way. He wanted to BURN OUT, and he did. From 7th grade he constantly talked about killing himself when he reaches the top of his career. He wanted to join the ''27-club''. The amount of heroin in his blood really was high, but Kurt could pick up that gun and blow his head up because he was able to stand even a higher dose heroin than the one he took.
Why or I should ask WHO is spamming Tom Grant? Courtney Love or her pets I'll bet! I just clicked "NOT SPAM" and encourage others to do so. That in itself is suspicious. What's next, will MY comment be spammed Courtney?
@liquidyou dead on, how do you mark the chief investigator in this murder as spam ? same way floppingnoni gets both top rated comments with almost the same number of votes.
hell imagine how paranoid CL is after all these years, with these kind of videos all over the net.
Tom Grant would be one to talk about deleting comments from videos - he censors the comments sections in his own videos, often times deleting civil comments from people that are simply questioning the conclusiveness of his "evidence". How can he expect people to question the official verdict in Cobain's death and not allow for his own theories to be questioned in the same manner?
@girliegirl1981 LOL Grant's "the man" that has deleted comments from YOU on his videos, and you know it! You weren't even being rude or profane, just questioning why Cobain's family doesn't publicly support Grant or his theories, and he deleted your comment. You of all people should know exactly what I'm talking about, but instead you're goofing around. Grant should allow for people to question and try to punch holes in his theories, but instead he censors them. Lame.
@TestMeatDollSteak You are correct, Grant did censor a comment from me on one of his videos and I WAS pissed because it was an appropriate comment but whatevs, I guess. For the record, I support Grant's efforts to have the Cobain re-opened and re-investigated! xoxoxoxo ;)
@girliegirl1981 Yeah...I know you "support" him and his efforts, duh, we established that a long time ago. Grant whines about Courtney Love's various efforts to "censor" him from speaking publicly about his theories, but then he turns around and censors people who point out legitimate reasons to doubt said theories. That doesn't bother you?
@TestMeatDollSteak Yeah, I don't appreciate being censored especially considering that my comment was completely appropriate and not troll-like in the slightest. I'm of the opinion that if Grant wants people to question the suicide ruling, he should be prepared for the public to question his theories as well.
Justice for Kurt! he did NOT kill himself...any real fans would know this, im not saying his wife killed him cause its not fair to blame her but there is something very suspicious about the whole situation...but does anyone think we will ever find out the truth of what happened?? somebody would obviously know if it was a murder because they are most probably walking this earth right now thinking about it every minute since 1994...i really wish kurt was still alive because he is now still my hero
It's embarrassing to delete the comments of the PI who tries to spread out the truth since over 17 years! I would like to have read what he said in his comments here. (Hardy)
Why is it when the person with the most knowledge about this case makes a comment, it's marked as spam? Most be hard being a Courtney supporter these days since she doesn't make good music anymore and every appearance she makes she only reaffirms to the world that she is fucking batshit crazy. So this is how you folks take out your frustration? You mark civil comments down as spam? You folks take after your ringleader (Courtney). Instead of addressing the points raised, you just silence people.
i love the fact that every comment either from Tom Grant (dude you're a legend! i fully respect all the work you have done over the years and all your efforts! Kurt would be proud and thankfull) or in support of the murder case... is marked down, or as spam straight away! there is so much you people obviously havent read or looked into, get your head out of Love's ass and open your god damned eyes!!!!! P.S. how long before this is "spam"???
PIs work for the client who directs the PI with instructions of when and what to do. In this case, CL was very specific. She had us watching other irrelevant locations. She did not want us to do surveillance on the house, the one place Kurt had actually been seen. She said she had Cali for that. Hmm!
From one "lazy PI" to a very lazy poser, get off your couch and read a little before you consider yourself an expert on this subject.
The writers of "Love and Death" worked with a coroner who specializes in toxicology. They concluded there is no way Kurt could have remained conscious long enough to fire the gun.
The fact remains we wouldn't have a lot of the evidence in this case if it wasn't for Grant. We would never have seen the so called suicide note or had the recordings of Courtney talking to Grant, showing how little she cared that her husband was missing.
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The fact remains we wouldn't have a lot of the evidence in this case if it wasn't for Grant. We would never have seen the so called suicide note or had the recordings of Courtney talking to Grant, showing how little she cared that her husband was missing.
@judyleasugar97 JUDY DO YOU HAVE COMPREHENSION OR LEARNING ISSUES?? Grant is the professional private investigator and earns a living doing through investigations. The same reason why the person showing grant around the house didnt think of the greenhouse is the same reason why grant didnt think of looking at it. Grant wasnt show the greenhouse cause it wasnt thought of as an important place or spot to locate kurt.
@judyleasugar97 judy do you not realize how ignorant, childish, and most importantly foolish you look on issues of drug addiction and mental health? Your "theories" on kurt being murdered are paranoid, and irrational. You like the tea party are so consumed with hate for courtney (obama) that you rely on paranoia and rumors to explain yourself. Judy you have no basic sense of "independent thought". You live in a protected bubble and know nothing about the outside world.
@EdinAmmar: When are you going to shut up with your ill founded opinions? Do you realize how ignorant you sound? Go back to school so you can be a little articulate.
One might figure that the reason why Grant didn't search the room above the garage is the same reason why Grant didn't seach the backyard. Terms like laziness and incompetence come to my mind.
There were at least FIVE other individuals on that property, allegedly searching for Kurt, DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS, after Kurt was already lying dead up in the "greenhouse." These individuals include Cali who was living at the house. Cali knew the property inside and out!
Others include SEATTLE POLICE OFFICERS who went to the property and talked to workers ON AT LEAST two occasions! Why not ask why these people didn't find Kurt during the DAYTIME?
Grant is supposed to somehow divine that there's a room over the garage in the dark and the rain, when the person showing him through the house didn't show him the room over the garage? Something strange there.
@hughesvenice grant is a private invesiagator and earns a living searching and looking around for evidence. A good p.i. doesnt need anyone to show him where he should be looking, he should already know to search the entire property. The same reason why the person showing grant the house didnt think of the garage is the same reason why grant didnt search it. That garage was not invisible or a secret.
@dothetwistjackie idiot. Grant's the private investigator and it's his responsibility to search the property. Also the same reason why Grant didnt check the greenhouse is the same reason why Grant wasnt shown the room above the garage. You are such a ignorant sucker.
@PivotMakeranimations The cops said that they were never devolped because apparently they don't develope pictures when it's a suicide? Of course I don't know why they'd even bother taking them then.
Grant was looking for Cobain, alive/commatose/dead, whatever. Who in his freaking mind is allowed to enter the property and doesnt think of the subject being outside the house? What if Kurt had been in his backyard contemplating trees while listening to some music with the earplugs on and didnt hear them? Grant's job was awful, and the only person to blame is him. Dont blame the weather or a drug addict, none were hired for Grants job.
Cali, lived at the house and was there before and after Kurt was found dead. The POLICE went to the house, during the DAYLIGHT hours, on at least two occasions to check for Kurt. Once again, very sloppy work by the Seattle PD. I arrived AFTER those searches and I was with the person who was instructed to show me EVERYTHING. When I was there it was DARK AND RAINING. At least five others searched before I arrived!
Aren't PIs usually hired because people expect a sloppy work by the police?
Let's supposse you couldn't see anything the 1st time you went there,I'll change the question: who in his freaking mind goes to the property when it's dark and raining and doesn't go back the day after by daylight? What if Kurt had been assaulted by a robber and was badly injured in his backyard?
I still think you all did a sloppy work in this case.
@floppingnoni WOW this is sooo true!! I hate Tom Grant so much, he is an incompetent and many of the stories he tells are simply not true...for exemple the story of the lethal dose of heroin: a blood level of 1.52 mg/L (level found in Kurt's blood)indicates an original dose of approximately 225 mg-240 mg of heroin. I can say with absolute certainty that a quarter gram of heroin is absolutely NOT a lethal dose for a strong heroin addict like Kurt was... not even close to the lethal dose!
@rockunit22: Can you provide me with one case of anyone with that level of heroin who was able to remain conscious long enough to pick up a gun? Halperin and Wallace worked with a coroner who researched this and they were unable to find one case, even among seasoned heroin addicts. The idea that there is no ceiling for heroin tolerance is a myth.
@rockunit22 My dear friend, forgive the brutality but you absolutely need to go back to school to study math!
One mg (milligram) is exactely the thousandth of a gram . This means that a gram is made from 1000 mg and then 225 mgs are just a little less than a quarter of a gram!
I repeat: I can say with absolute certainty that a quarter of a gram of heroin is absolutely not a lethal dose for a strong heroin addict as kurt. Not even close!
@judyleasugar97 Well,I lived for years with a brother addicted to heroin. Believe me, if I speak with such confidence is because I do it based on experience. Everyone has his own personal tolerance to opiates, but there are objective limits on quantity. For a a strong heroin addict the lethal dose could be around 1 gram (it depends on individual tolerance and on some other thgs). A quarter of a gram is a normal dose...one can die if it is badly cut, but is objectively NOT a lethal dose!
@xxAnne81: But a coroner who specialized in toxicology said he couldn't have remained conscious long enough to fire the gun. Don't you think a professional would know?
@judyleasugar97 Please note that there are many other toxicologist who argue the opposite.I think that sometimes specialists are not so"specialist"especially in cases like this one, when everyone wants to get into the spotlight.
From my experience,I know for a fact that a quarter of a gram of heroin is not a lethal or disabling dose: one can take it and be able to do all his own thing,and I know because I saw it with my own eyes. So there is no specialist in toxicology that could change my mind
The toxicologist I mention worked with two writers who meticulously researched to find a single case of someone who could function with this level of morphine and could find NO example. That kind of speaks for itself.
@judyleasugar97 If you focus only on Tom Grant' investigations is logical that you'll never find what I say. Search on this case in general, let alone Tom Grant, and you will find that there is indeed a doctor who injected his patient with the same amount of heroin, and then the patient was fully conscious and interacted. Search on google how much is the lethal dose for a strong heroin addict ... it's easy. For my part I did not need evidence of this type
@xxAnne81: You're talking about the scene in the movie "Kurt and Courtney." What they don't mention is that the morphine was methadone, orally administered. Not nearly as potent as heroin. You can take a lot more methadone and do just fine because it doesn't hit the system as fast. Not the case with Kurt, who had a 3 times lethal dose of intravenously injected heroin.
@judyleasugar97 To understand what I mean you should inform about heroin in general, regardless of the Cobain case. The media can greatly manipulate the information and we must know how to protect! They talk about three times the lethal dose, so that a single lethal dose should be around 80 mg...this is not a lie but actualyis a potentially lethal dose 4 a beginner, for a heavy heroin addict the lethal dose is infinitely higher (about 1 g) so you see how they are good at manipulating information
There is no scientific basis for the no ceiling for heroin tolerance argument, that makes it merely a theory. Fact, there is no case in history of someone with a 3 times lethal dose that was able to function at all, let alone shoot themselves. And supposedly Kurt rolled down his sleeves and buttoned them, and put his needle away too. Come on.
@judyleasugar97 You just don't want to understand! Maybe I'm repetitive, but the fact is that the amount of heroin taken by Kurt (approximately 225 mg) is absolutely NOT three times the lethal dose for a strong heroin addict! It's true that the concept of drug tolerance is quite subjective, but there are still quantities that can be objectively classified as lethal, potentially lethal or normal, and 225 mg is objectively a normal dose for a strong heroin addict like Kurt was.
@xxAnne81: I've been hearing this argument for several years, and yet none of the people are able to provide a single example PROVING this is true. Can you tell me about a case in which someone with this level of heroin was able to function long enough to pull a trigger? Face it, it's an unproven theory..
@judyleasugar97 Sorry but how do you think I could find such a prove? I'm not the owner of the archives of suicide and overdose! But I have personally known people who took their quarter gram of heroin every morning for years. And you, why haven't you searched in google what are the lethal levels of heroin? Is very simple, just click "heroin lethal dose" and then we'll talk....let me know what you find!
@xxAnne81 you should know when youre dealing with judyleasugar that she truely believes Courtney love is hiring and paying people to go on youtube and spam or thumb her down. Judy has built her life around kurt being murdered. During this process judy had to suspend logical, rational thinking in oder to expalin her irrational thoughts.
@EdinAmmar You're right I should not, but I can't help but get mad when I hear this shit! You know, I lived for years with a brother who tooks his fourth gram of heroin EVERY morning. How can anyone say that this is a lethal dose? How can anyone deny the truth in this way and pretend to be an expert? I am not an expert in the Cobain's case and I don't pretend to be, but to hear these things makes me think that the whole conspiracy theory is a great bullshit!
@xxAnne81 oh shit you re right...i guess i thought it was 2250 mgs... fuckk my bad... then i totally agree a quarter of a gram a lethal dose?? i can say by experience this is nonsense a quarter of a gram for an addict is nothing people...and kurt cobain was on heroin for yearss...obviously the ones who question this have never tryed and opiate in their life.
@rockunit22 Unfortunately I speak from experience too, and I would like everyone to know that the story of the lethal dose is a huge absurdity.Surely Tom Grant has never madeuse of opiate,but this is not an excuse. This story in particular demonstrates that Grant is a great incompetent and a liar.And it makes me suspect that all the theories on which the conspiracy theory is based are bullshit like this one. I love Kurt Cobain to the madness, but I sincerely believe that he committed suicide
@floppingnoni you could easily be lying about where you have been. I don't know you at all to just take your word that you have been there. If that were true,however, I believe that even if grant could see the GARAGE from certain entrance angles on the grounds of the house, we can't say Grant knew there was a GREENHOUSE above the GARAGE. Dylan should have opened his damn mouth. He's held responsible as well as Grant is. Cause Dylan is responsible regardless
@11amberyates I totally respect you for doubting my statements, I'd do the same. In this case, that's why I would never buy the story about Grant not knowing about the greenhouse.
It's a shame Grant didn't film what he did there because, have you ever thought of his search not being as exhaustive as he likes us to believe? Dylan wasnt the person hired and responsible in the Cobain search so dont blame him.
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@floppingnoni: You still haven't answered the question, if they were supposed to show Grant the entire property, why didn't they show him the greenhouse?
@profaneoneohone: You still haven't answered the question, if they were supposed to show Grant the entire property, why didn't they show him the greenhouse?
Grant didn't even know he was looking for a murder victim at that point. He was hired to look for a husband who didn't want to talk to his wife. Why didn't they show him to the room above the garage when he was led through the house? That's what I'd like to know.
An intelligent PI would go to the garage and see if theres some evidence of the subjects presence. If you go there you see the stairs. Kurt might have been lying dead on the grass and Grant didnt bother to take a look around the backyard. And Grant went more than once. It cant be justified.
I don't normally assume there is a room above a garage. And it was dark and rainy. Also, Grant was assuming someone there would show him the entire house when he arrived. I think the real question is, why didn't they show him the room above the garage?
anyone who's been around people on IV opiates knows that even a small dose can easily incapacitate a person. Despite the fact that I'm a medical profession who has administered all times of opiate analgesics and benzos, it's just common sense that 3 times the LETHAL dose of heroin would render even a severe addict unable to function. The dose Cobain would have had to take to cause the blood morphine level he supposedly had would have rendered him unconscious or dead in less than a minute.
@amandarimmer He had an injection site on each arm, so isn't it plausible that the heroin was administered in 2 doses, not one, w/ some unknown amount of time elapsing between the doses? In your experience, would a time lapse between doses allow for an increase in control of mental/physical faculties with that blood morphine level? Would tolerance play also a role in the amount of time the person had before falling unconscious?
@dangerdaysalice you are nothing but an immature, navie, paranoid girl, who knows nothing about the real world. You have no punk ethics and your idea of punk is shopping in a mall. YOu have terrible taste in music. All the personal stuff aside you have no logic or common sense. Can you please please tell me what reasons do Dave and Krist have to cover up kurts drug use and death? Why does Krist and Dave's statements on kurt back up what Courtney says?
@EdinAmmar i know right?! lol freaking Dave Grohl and Krist noveselic are and were super torn over kurt's death. Those two are the only ones who seem really really beaten up about it. especailly krist. Man he talked about it years and years after. he was 43 and he just looks so so sad. like he wants to cry. Dave Grohl wrote a song about kurt. one that i know of. called there goes my hero. its for kurt. its about kurt cobain. Dave and krist are good people
@11amberyates I think that a lot of the people who knew Kurt were deeply affected by his death, not only Krist and Dave. Kurt's father released a statement to People magazine for their story on the 10-year anniversary of Kurt's death, where he chastised all the "quacks" trying to make money off their son's death & says his family knows that Kurt killed himself. Rosemary Carroll was interviewed by Everett True for his Nirvana book, she obviously cared for Kurt. Kurt's Aunt Mari was deeply hurt...
@TestMeatDollSteak i know man. i know :/ there are just so many things that don't make sense. Thats exactly why the case should be opened :/ we all could be wrong. Grant could be wrong because after all he is only human and some humans do things for money or for attention and they make mistakes. you know? we can only just be as smart as we can and one fine day. things will be made clear. tom is still working on this case. so there are more audio tapes to come out. this isnt over
@11amberyates Yeah man, I'm with you on the case being reopened, that's the only way to silence the debate for once and for all. I don't share your optimism in that ever happening, though :/ Maybe. Cases have been reopened after greater lengths of time. Some cases, like JFK's, Bruce Lee's, Marilyn Monroe's, forever remain in a quagmire of doubt and speculation. Cross says he held Kurt's actual suicide note in his hand, it's possible it still exists today.
@TestMeatDollSteak yes. Dylan was lying to Tom grant about the greenhouse when he talked about the conditions of it.Dylan never said he didn't know about it, he said its was dirty and etc. Tom grant does have a responsibility and maybe him not assuming that there was a green house above the garage is a mistake that he shouldn't pawn off on anyone else. But honestly he is a good guy with nothing to hide. Had he known the whereabouts of the green house, would he have not checked it? yes. he would.
@11amberyates Can Grant prove that Dylan had ever actually been inside the greenhouse? How do you know that Dylan wasn't just relaying an assumption to Grant? Had Grant asked whether or not there was a guest house, or anywhere else on the property that Kurt might be holed up, wouldn't they have gone there? To the best of my knowledge, it's not like Grant asked Dylan about a garage or other places/rooms on the property before Kurt's body was found. He facepalmed when he found out about the garage
@TestMeatDollSteak i see what you mean :D but GRANT never even said that Dylan had been in there. It was Dylan who said what the room looked like INSIDE after grant asks "whats the greenhouse?" How can someone tell you what the inside of a building looks like without ever being inside? But alas that bit of information doesn't really matter considering that we all know that Dylan at least knew the location of the greenhouse. he kept his mouth shut though
@11amberyates That's true, we can definitely say that Dylan was aware that there was a room of some kind above the garage, and that he didn't tell Grant about it. Whether or not Grant asked Dylan about the existence of a garage/shed/guest house/green house has yet to be seen. We do know that Dylan told Grant "I think they keep some lumber up or something." The "I think" tells me that Dylan was possibly guessing, assuming. Only he would know for sure. I'd like to hear the entirety of Tom's tapes.
@TestMeatDollSteak Grant possibly could have asked him =/. i think you are getting to ahead of me. You see, im not Tom grant :p so i don't know everything he asked Dylan that day lol. Those are really questions that we have to ask grant ourselves because only he can tell us what he asked Dylan. But im pretty sure that grant, being a ex detective and having just came off a kidnapping case of an 18 yr old girl was murdered, im sure he would have asked Dylan if there was anywhere else to look.
@11amberyates I'm not as confident in Grant as you are, and I'm not willing to assume that Grant asked anyone anything unless he can show it on tape. The burden of proof lies squarely on his shoulders, ya know? I'd like to hear the entirety of Grant's tapes, instead of all these 10-20 second excerpts that could potentially be very misleading.
@TestMeatDollSteak He would indeed check the green house to see if there was any clue as to where Kurt was in there. No matter if the wheather was bad like it was that night. it's not about Tom Grant not checking the greenhouse we know why he did'nt. It's now about why Dylan avoided the greenhouse.Tom is now thinking "Why did this man who is BEST friends with Kurt, not tell me about this room above the garage."
@11amberyates It's clear that Dylan knew there was a room above the garage, but it's not perfectly clear whether or not Dylan knew better that the room was not exactly "a tiny gross dirty little room", or whatever his exact words were. He told Grant "I think they keep some lumber up there." Had Dylan ever actually seen the room, or was he just relaying an assumption that he had made, without ever having actually seen the room?
@TestMeatDollSteak i sent Tom gran all those wonderful questions you were asking me about Dylan. You asked some awesome questions. The same questions that i wondered but never thought to really ask him cause you know. ya just kinda figure he would have not been an idiot :P lol
@11amberyates I'll be interested to hear what his response is. Better yet, I'll be interested to see if he divulges any new information in whatever book it is he's planning to release, pending a publishing agreement.
@TestMeatDollSteak i tried replying to you via my email but idk if you got those messages lol. i said thank you i would really love the link you have explaining cadaveric spasms :)
@11amberyates I PM'd you the link to the site. I didn't get any messages from you :( Next time, to send a Private Message, just go to my channel and click the "send message" icon :)
@11amberyates let me get this straight. Krist, who knew kurt for almost 15yrs since h.s., knows less about kurts life, thought, and feelings than Tom Grant. According to you a persons close friends know nothing about them. How can you give more credibility to a private investorgaor then Krist, who knew kurt for almost 15 years and was kurts oldest friend. Anyone who has close friends knows that they know there friends better than anyone else which includes private investagotrs.
@EdinAmmar You should know that i NEVER said that Tom grant knows more about Kurt's LIFE. I believe that Tom Grant knows alot more about his DEATH and what could have probably CAUSED his DEATH. Don't you get what i am saying at all? Why do you insist on not actually taking in anything that you are reading and making your self look like an even bigger erratical Moran than you already appear to be? Do your self a favor and shut the fuck up.
@11amberyates answer me this who knows more on about kurts life, thoughts, and feelings? Is it tom grant or Dave and Krist? How knows more about kurts lifestyle and is able to make a logical opinion on kurts death? Is it tom grant or Dave and Krist?
@11amberyates Who knows more about Kurt's life style, thoughts, feelings and to make a judgement on if he was capable of killing himself? Is it Grant or Dave and Krist? Are you telling me that you believe what Grants says about Kurts final days and death or Dave and Krist? I would trust what someone who knew and was close to kurt for almost 15years over what any pi has to say. Then again i'm a logical thinking person, not some confused girl living in a bubble.
@11amberyates ok so you think that Grant knows more about kurts death than Dave or Krist and you think Grant knows more about what CAUSED kurt's death than Dave or Krist. That's impossible Dave and Krist were there with kurt during in final months. Krist saw how kurt was going to buy drugs. Krist and dave where at his intervention. They say kurts mental state and were first hand witness to his lifestyle. The ones best qualified to speak on his death are Dave and Krist not Grant.
@11amberyates those two comments alone especially the one you said about " a friend can tell anyone anything but it doesnt make it true" shows that you give no validity to Dave or Krists thoughts on kurts death. Tell me amberyates who do you think is in a better position to speak on kurts life style and death? A p.i. or someone who knew kurt for almost 15 years and was a close friend of his? Tell me what reasons or motives do dave and krist have to cover up kurts death?
@TestMeatDollSteak could there have been someone else in that room that could have known of such a thing that takes place when one kills shoots themselves? i wonder if you can make another person have a cadaveric spasm by simply placing ones hand on the hand on the barrel while you shoot them. Also should he not have had a cadaveric spasm in his hand he used to shoot the gun? you should be using two hands to shot your self. one to pull the trigger and one to hold the gun, right?
@11amberyates I'll give you the link to the site. The condition occurs in muscles that are tensed and flexed at the moment the victim dies. It can occur in both suicides and homicides. When considering which scenario is most likely, things like the position of the weapon are taken into account. It preserves the exact attitude of the person at the moment they died, that's why it's so useful to forensic investigators.
@TestMeatDollSteak i need to look up more things about the cadveric spasm =/ i don't really understand it. im wondering if kurt should have been more sprawled out than he was. im also wondering it that gun should have flew out of his hand as he was thrown back. he didnt look thrown back =/ but idk if a cadaveric spasm would make the hand so stiff right away, that the gun would go nowhere
@11amberyates I can PM you the link to a forensic pathology site regarding cadaveric spasm. It happens at the instant of death, usually in instances of sudden traumatic death (blow to the head or heart), can affect all muscles of the body, but is usually seen in the hands. The site is written by an acting medical examiner from Jamaica, his credentials are listed in the "about me" header of the site. Let me know if you want it.
1.he died of a heroine overdose, or he was unconscious, considering the fact that he was too high to pick up the shotgun. then he was send to the hospital to be checked on. then he moved to puerto rico, the end.
2. wait, actually, dont take my word for it cuz im not totally sure if hes alive or not, but from reading one article, that changed my perspective. but i wouldnt take another critic's word for it since THAT guy said he had no evidence or photos.
why doesnt the police even care when Courtney files a false police report, and she admits it, shes confessed, is it not the least bit embarrassing, SPD? is there someone high on the hog protecting that woman or what ?? Might there be higher hands in play of Cobains death? How could they call it a suicide on the day the body was found? When does that EVER happen??
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But I only care about EdinAmmar's emotional well being. He has been posting for months, trying to get testmeatdollsteak's attention. These two have got to get together! Real love will help them to forget about trying to brainwash people bitch Courtney is innocent so they can move on with their lives together!
BlondAmericanAnarchy and ifuckinghateglee are both internet parasites. They clearly aren't even commenting on the video, or adding to the relevant discussions in the comments section, just "venting" their anger at me and other youtubers for not sharing their wacky theories. I also strongly suspect that they both have poor vaginal hygiene, the shame and stench of which has rendered their own personal lives extinct, so now they obsess over my personal life. LOL.
@TestMeatDollSteak when i was talking about Dave and krist i was merely talking about the band mates. :) i know all about his family and things. ofcourse they would be sad! loll.
@11amberyates Ok. But don't you find it odd that so many of the people who were close to Kurt, all of whom were obviously deeply affected by his death, seem to have accepted his death as a suicide? Usually, in cases where the ruling was legitimately suspect, it's friends & family of the victim that are petitioning the courts & media for justice. With Kurt, there's his grandpa Leland, & Kim Gordon has expressed some doubts...why is there so little support for these theories from the Nirvana camp?
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Funny that Edinammar always appears after testmeatdollsteak does on youtube vids. Edin must have a hard on for testmeatdollsteak. Think about it, he follows tmds around on yt. Tmds and Edin talk to each other on his channel and yet, tmds denies knowing Edin. Eden longs for the day tmds will declare to the world he knows Edin! Tmds should stop defending the murderer Courtney and open himself to the joys of hot gay sex with EdinAmmar!
@0whokilledbambi0 Yeah, and you would know? Know one truly knows what happened to Kurt. But, just do lots of research on the case. It's pretty bizarre.
u must read this. once u have started there is no turning back. a little 10 year old girl was raped and murderded in 1945. her body was not found until 1947. then a boy last week read this and did not copy and paste this message. the dead girl appeared in his room haunting him and killed him. if you do not copy and paste this onto 10 vidoes in 30 minutes the dead girl will apear in your room tonight and haunt you and kill you. well you better start to copy and paste to be saved
I don't know if Kurt shot himself or not. All I know is that the police should reopen this case, because they did a shitty job when they investigated it..
@sodagirl96 I agree, alot of times apperant suicides and labelled as just that and often the "suicides" were actually murdered, i saw a whole documentary on this before making it look like someone took there own life is an easy way to get away with murder and thats scary
He locked himself in the green house and was frusturated with the overdose, lollapalooza, divorce and all this crap and shot up sum heroine. He stayed their for a few days and then someone came in from the balcony (which was unlocked) and shot him. I dont know if it was courtney, but i know something doesnt add up. His tires were slashed, and the shell was on the wrond side of the body. Ive read the police report and so can you at justice for kurt . com
@maxmatt4 Courtney was in LA the entire time that Grant was looking for Kurt, so no, it could not have been Courtney. And wouldn't it make more sense that whoever shot him (if that's what you believe is what happened) was already there in the room with him when Kurt was shooting up? Perhaps a drug buddy? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that Kurt would just sit in a room filled w/ nothing more than potting soil for days on end, especially since people claim to have seen him around town.
@CuteHotChiliPeppers not a lot of people like to get murdered, and its not fun getting murdered by someone who ends up taking everything you own and raising your children. if it is happening then something needs to be done, i dont care if its kurt cobain or joe blow, you dont set that kind of precident where wives murder husbands via staged suicides and police immediately calling it suicide. How many murderers got encouraged from this case? and where do you expect THEM to stand in it?
@UNSUNGBAND I know that already. Like I said, I knew all of the "evidence" that shows it was a murder. I've gone passed this phase and I'm over it. That would be perfect evidence if he came forth BEFORE he died, but it was after. Polygraphs aren't always right and I don't think Courtney was crazy enough to actual try to kill Kurt. EVERYONE but his closest friends and family members believed he was suicidal. He probably didn't want to come out to the media and say that he was because he didn't w
Judyleasugar wants fucking video footage of Kurt Cobain shooting dope next to a fucking newspaper with the date clearly displayed in order to accept that her theory of Kurt being a happy go lucky, drug free dude in 1994 is completely preposterous. Even then, she'll probably say it was faked by Courtney Love. There is no use trying to rationally speak to you Judy. The facts surrounding Kurt's death make NO sense if he'd been living a clean, sober life. Go back to your Nancy Pelosi videos.
Tell me your opinion: Is Kurt high in this interview?? Done for Mtv in late December 1993 - less than 3 months before his OD in Rome and less than 4 months from his death.
@TestMeatDollSteak: This is not proof. Kurt's blood test a month before his death showed no morphine. Fellow musicians on his last tour said he wasn't using. That's more like proof. My point is the idea he was still using the last months is an assumption without basis.
@judyleasugar97 A negative drug test for heroin doesnt prove that he was off heroin. Fact heroin stays in the body for 3 days. Fact kurt has said in previous interviews when he was on tour over seas he would take prescription meds. Fact both Dave and Krist have gone on the record and said Kurt was using drugs right before his death. Fact kurt was never ever clean for a substantal peroid of time.
@EdinAmmar he wsa clean around the time he and Courtney were going through custody battles over Frances bean Cobain. they had to take constant drug testing and they weren't allowed with Frances alone
@11amberyates Yes, Kurt went through cycles of kicking and relapsing, as most junkies do. Kurt was using dope heavily, by his own admission, during the time Courtney was pregnant w/ Frances, and he became addicted. By all accounts of the people who knew him, from that point forward Kurt was constantly going through this cycle of rehab, kicking, and relapsing. By spring 1994 Kurt was using again.
@TestMeatDollSteak yep yep yep. i know he was using again :). some people say he wasn't but um, Kurt was 115 pounds when he died. That is NOT not healthy weight for a 27 year old MAN by any means :P. when he was healthy, around the time with him and Courtney having custody troubles, kurt was 135 pounds. so fine!! :D lol
@11amberyates Thank you, some common sense! This is one of my major arguments w/ Judyleasugar & her friends, whether Kurt was still using dope in 1994 or not. Too much evidence that Kurt was using to deny it...have you read Everett True's Nirvana book?
@TestMeatDollSteak no i have not :( . Thats one of the books i need as a matter of fact. i have three books im trying to get to read, even the HTH book. i know that one is bull spit but i wanna read it anyways.
@11amberyates True's book is really interesting, and really long. It has interviews w/ people like Cali DeWitt, Rene Navarette (one of the other nannies), Rosemary Caroll, the Nirvana roadies. True is critical of both Love and Cobain. Cross's books are more interesting for the interviews he conducted w/ Kurt's extended family & band, and his access to Kurt's things. Cross also recounts a lot of Love's misinformation w/out questioning it, and offers a lot of his own opinions as facts, but hey.
@TestMeatDollSteak Also, i cant explain why the other family members haven't publicly said they think it wasn't a suicide. Thats their personal feelings. who knows why they have accepted that. probably doubt cops would make a mistake. At least maybe they just hope they didn't. im just listening to convo phone calls and reading all the evidence,which point to something other than suicide. The whole thing surrounding Kurt's could have went so much smoother. but it didn't because of Courtney.
@11amberyates Well, I can't argue with you about Love. It's pretty much entirely because of her insane manipulative personality that the murder theories exist in the first place, with or without the SPD's relatively quick ruling of suicide. The "evidence" in favor of murder has been available to the public for over a decade, & a lot of the people who knew both Kurt & Courtney are not big fans of Courtney (Krist, Dave, Kurt's mom). You'd think maybe one of them would question the official ruling.
@judyleasugar97 Judy how many times do i have to post that you are a paranoid, mentally ill person before you seek help. You constantly talk about kurt and his life as if you personally knew him. Kurt would spit on your ugly face and tell you to leave his family alone if he were alive. You are the kind of nirvana fan that kurt hated and you have terrible taste in music. You truely believe that courtney is paying people to go on ytube and post replys to your comments. Get help.
@EdinAmmar wow, you really are a stupid piece of crap aren't you? All you can fucking do is name call. I usually don't talk to babies like you, but ill go ahead and give you the attention you are craving from me so badly. A FRIEND can tell ANYONE ANYTHING, you dumb cunt, It doesn't make it true. Two friends say it was a suicide (though i have heard that Dave grohl has never said it was a suicide publicly) because the police said so.If they had said otherwise the two would believe that too
@11amberyates what are you talking about? Do you have any close friends? If you have close friends you'd know that you know you close friends better than any "police report" or findings from a private investigator. You want to know why a close friend knows a person better than a private investigator, because a friends has spent many hours with that person and knows that persons thoughts and feelings. Which is something a private invetgator can never fully comprehend.
@11amberyates Everyone should know that 11amberyates says that Tom Grant is better informed and knows more about Kurts life, thoughts, and feelings, than dave or krist (who knew kurt for more than half of kurts life). According to her a persons close friend for years is not qualified to speak on their friends life style or thoughts. She would rather believe what a p.i. says about a person than what his close friends think. How logical is that?
@EdinAmmar You really are a little baby,@EdinAmmar. When someone doesn't agree with you, you just go around and make these dumb broadcasts like anyone gives a shit. XD what a cry baby. Is that what you do when someone disagrees with you? LMFAO you aren't worth the time or effort. I refuse to talk to anyone like you about anything remotely related to cobain because you throw way too many tantrums. Your tantrums are all over this videos comments. :p pussy ass baby
@11amberyates these are your quotes "A FRIEND can tell ANYONE ANYTHING, you dumb cunt, It doesn't make it true. Two friends say it was a suicide (though i have heard that Dave grohl has never said it was a suicide publicly) because the police said so.If they had said otherwise the two would believe that too". So you think that dave and krist believe that kurt killed himself cause of a police report? Do you think they are that stupid that they need the police or anyone else to tell them about K
@EdinAmmar You still seem to not understand the simplest of statements made in my comment. Im only talking about his death. I also made a very basic statement referring to conversations one might have about their friend. I also am letting you know that Dave Grohl has never publicly admitted that he believed Kurt's death was a suicide. What in there says that i think a P.I or anyone who didn't know Kurt personally, while he was alive, knows more about him than his friends.
@11amberyates did you watch the foo fighters documentary that was released this year? If you did you'd know that Grohl makes it clear that kurt killed himself and tried to kill himself in Rome. You made a comment that Dave and Krist thoughts on kurts death are based on the police reports. You also made comments that " a friend can tell anyone anything, you dumb cunt, it doesnt make it true". You are implying that the friends of kurt didnt know what was going on with his life.
@judyleasugar97 Judy, you know nothing about heroin or drug addiction. You live in a tiny bubble and have no real life or street experiences to talk about. You are uncapable of critically thinking and you rely on 2nd or even 3rd witnesses to form yer opinions. The statements of Dave and Krist alone should tell you that kurt was on drugs before his death and that he killed himself. What reasons do krist and dave have to cover up kurts death or lie about his addiction?
@judyleasugar97 IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY EVERYONE ON HERE THAT JUDY IS PARANOID AND MENTALLY ILL. SHE THINKS COURTNEY LOVE HAS HIRED AND PAID PEOPLE TO MONITOR AND POST REPLYS TO HER COMMENTS. JUDY THINKS THAT COURTNEY TRIED TO KILL KURT IN ROME, EVEN THOUGH DAVE AND KRIST ARE ON RECORD SAYING THEY TALKED TO KURT AFTER ROME AND KURT ADMITTED TO OD ON RUFFIES. JUDY ALSO THINKS THAT COURTNEY BRIBED THE POLICE,DA, AND CORNER IN ADVANCE OF KURTS DEATH. SHE'S INSANE. LET HER KNOW HOW CRAZY SHE IS.
@judyleasugar97 Your "proof" he was completely off drugs is an assumption, too, and it's been debunked a fucking MILLION times by now, you just refuse to get it through your thick skull. The blood test only PROVES 3 DAYS, cuz that's how long morphine stays in the system, and Kurt, while alive, had attested to generally avoiding dope while in Europe, so the facts are consistent w/ that. Krist & everyone who saw him after Rome say he relapsed in March 94. He went to rehab. That ALONE says RELAPSE
@TestMeatDollSteak: You still haven't conclusively proven Kurt was on drugs the last months of his life. It's an assumption. Drug test? Witnesses he was shooting up? All you've got is that he went to rehab because Courtney threatened not to let him see Frances if he didn't. That's not proof.
@judyleasugar97 Derp! Krist is a witness, he said in his interviews w/ Cross that he saw Kurt fucked up after Kurt told him to drop him off at a "friend's" house in March 94. This would be the part where you disavow Cross as "Courtney's lap dog" and throw the baby out with the bath water by asserting that everything in HTH is "a pack of lies". Also Rene Navarette claims to have shot dope w/ Kurt @ the Marco Polo March 94, before the intervention. Eye witnesses? Check.
@TestMeatDollSteak: If indeed she said those things, Navarette is probably some druggie Courtney bribed. I've never seen her comment on this anywhere besides that pile of lies book.
Odd that no one can find a recorded case of anyone with this much heroin in their system who was able to stay conscious. Seems someone else fired the gun.
x0PUNKER0X 1 week ago
"Heavier than Heaven". Book of lies. Charles Cross is Courtney's pet.
BlondAmericanAnarchy 2 weeks ago
Kurt committed suicide and people should just stop talking about it. Read Heavier Than Heaven and you'll understand. He WANTED it to end that way. He wanted to BURN OUT, and he did. From 7th grade he constantly talked about killing himself when he reaches the top of his career. He wanted to join the ''27-club''. The amount of heroin in his blood really was high, but Kurt could pick up that gun and blow his head up because he was able to stand even a higher dose heroin than the one he took.
HugeMichaelMyersFan 2 weeks ago 6
Why or I should ask WHO is spamming Tom Grant? Courtney Love or her pets I'll bet! I just clicked "NOT SPAM" and encourage others to do so. That in itself is suspicious. What's next, will MY comment be spammed Courtney?
liquidyou 3 weeks ago
@liquidyou dead on, how do you mark the chief investigator in this murder as spam ? same way floppingnoni gets both top rated comments with almost the same number of votes.
hell imagine how paranoid CL is after all these years, with these kind of videos all over the net.
svartberg123 3 weeks ago
Tom Grant would be one to talk about deleting comments from videos - he censors the comments sections in his own videos, often times deleting civil comments from people that are simply questioning the conclusiveness of his "evidence". How can he expect people to question the official verdict in Cobain's death and not allow for his own theories to be questioned in the same manner?
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
@TestMeatDollSteak Tom Grant's the man, DUH! :)
girliegirl1981 1 month ago
@girliegirl1981 LOL Grant's "the man" that has deleted comments from YOU on his videos, and you know it! You weren't even being rude or profane, just questioning why Cobain's family doesn't publicly support Grant or his theories, and he deleted your comment. You of all people should know exactly what I'm talking about, but instead you're goofing around. Grant should allow for people to question and try to punch holes in his theories, but instead he censors them. Lame.
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
@TestMeatDollSteak You are correct, Grant did censor a comment from me on one of his videos and I WAS pissed because it was an appropriate comment but whatevs, I guess. For the record, I support Grant's efforts to have the Cobain re-opened and re-investigated! xoxoxoxo ;)
girliegirl1981 1 month ago
@girliegirl1981 Yeah...I know you "support" him and his efforts, duh, we established that a long time ago. Grant whines about Courtney Love's various efforts to "censor" him from speaking publicly about his theories, but then he turns around and censors people who point out legitimate reasons to doubt said theories. That doesn't bother you?
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
@TestMeatDollSteak Yeah, I don't appreciate being censored especially considering that my comment was completely appropriate and not troll-like in the slightest. I'm of the opinion that if Grant wants people to question the suicide ruling, he should be prepared for the public to question his theories as well.
girliegirl1981 1 month ago
@girliegirl1981 Word ;)
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
Justice for Kurt! he did NOT kill himself...any real fans would know this, im not saying his wife killed him cause its not fair to blame her but there is something very suspicious about the whole situation...but does anyone think we will ever find out the truth of what happened?? somebody would obviously know if it was a murder because they are most probably walking this earth right now thinking about it every minute since 1994...i really wish kurt was still alive because he is now still my hero
joshcool118 1 month ago
@joshcool118 I agree with you I want to know....It's not fair to the fans.This was handled poorly.
XxmusicXx4LiFe 6 days ago
It's embarrassing to delete the comments of the PI who tries to spread out the truth since over 17 years! I would like to have read what he said in his comments here. (Hardy)
negativecreep1993 1 month ago
Why is it when the person with the most knowledge about this case makes a comment, it's marked as spam? Most be hard being a Courtney supporter these days since she doesn't make good music anymore and every appearance she makes she only reaffirms to the world that she is fucking batshit crazy. So this is how you folks take out your frustration? You mark civil comments down as spam? You folks take after your ringleader (Courtney). Instead of addressing the points raised, you just silence people.
quickieshoup 1 month ago
i love the fact that every comment either from Tom Grant (dude you're a legend! i fully respect all the work you have done over the years and all your efforts! Kurt would be proud and thankfull) or in support of the murder case... is marked down, or as spam straight away! there is so much you people obviously havent read or looked into, get your head out of Love's ass and open your god damned eyes!!!!! P.S. how long before this is "spam"???
polecatsfan 1 month ago
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PIs work for the client who directs the PI with instructions of when and what to do. In this case, CL was very specific. She had us watching other irrelevant locations. She did not want us to do surveillance on the house, the one place Kurt had actually been seen. She said she had Cali for that. Hmm!
From one "lazy PI" to a very lazy poser, get off your couch and read a little before you consider yourself an expert on this subject.
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can i mention kristen pfaff here,
MrMuhamar 2 months ago
rather die than be cool
primerspawn 2 months ago
The writers of "Love and Death" worked with a coroner who specializes in toxicology. They concluded there is no way Kurt could have remained conscious long enough to fire the gun.
alienbaby1014 3 months ago
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The fact remains we wouldn't have a lot of the evidence in this case if it wasn't for Grant. We would never have seen the so called suicide note or had the recordings of Courtney talking to Grant, showing how little she cared that her husband was missing.
lamusicagrunge 3 months ago 8
COURTNEY STOP TYPING ON YOUTUBE.
bringmethenewhorizon 3 months ago
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The fact remains we wouldn't have a lot of the evidence in this case if it wasn't for Grant. We would never have seen the so called suicide note or had the recordings of Courtney talking to Grant, showing how little she cared that her husband was missing.
lamusicagrunge 3 months ago
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Hi I just published a free eBook on the Cobain murder theories. Check out brendanhunt dotcom to download the free pdf version.
BrendanHunt1 4 months ago
EdinAmmar has a very sexy ID picture!
smileygreenlizard4u 4 months ago
@smileygreenlizard4u: Tell me about it. Hmmm . . .
RyanRossthemovie 4 months ago
No one has answered the question yet: why didn't the person in the house show Grant the room over the garage?
judyleasugar97 4 months ago
@judyleasugar97 JUDY DO YOU HAVE COMPREHENSION OR LEARNING ISSUES?? Grant is the professional private investigator and earns a living doing through investigations. The same reason why the person showing grant around the house didnt think of the greenhouse is the same reason why grant didnt think of looking at it. Grant wasnt show the greenhouse cause it wasnt thought of as an important place or spot to locate kurt.
EdinAmmar 4 months ago
@EdinAmmar: moron
lamusicagrunge 4 months ago
@judyleasugar97 judy do you not realize how ignorant, childish, and most importantly foolish you look on issues of drug addiction and mental health? Your "theories" on kurt being murdered are paranoid, and irrational. You like the tea party are so consumed with hate for courtney (obama) that you rely on paranoia and rumors to explain yourself. Judy you have no basic sense of "independent thought". You live in a protected bubble and know nothing about the outside world.
EdinAmmar 4 months ago
@judyleasugar97 can you please start shooting heroin and then maybe you'll be able to figure out how stupid you sound.
EdinAmmar 4 months ago
@EdinAmmar: When are you going to shut up with your ill founded opinions? Do you realize how ignorant you sound? Go back to school so you can be a little articulate.
menotango 4 months ago
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@menotango what have i said on here that you cant comprehend? Which of my opinions are not based on logic and reason?
EdinAmmar 4 months ago
One might figure that the reason why Grant didn't search the room above the garage is the same reason why Grant didn't seach the backyard. Terms like laziness and incompetence come to my mind.
floppingnoni 4 months ago 45
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@floppingnoni
There were at least FIVE other individuals on that property, allegedly searching for Kurt, DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS, after Kurt was already lying dead up in the "greenhouse." These individuals include Cali who was living at the house. Cali knew the property inside and out!
Others include SEATTLE POLICE OFFICERS who went to the property and talked to workers ON AT LEAST two occasions! Why not ask why these people didn't find Kurt during the DAYTIME?
Tom Grant
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Grant is supposed to somehow divine that there's a room over the garage in the dark and the rain, when the person showing him through the house didn't show him the room over the garage? Something strange there.
hughesvenice 4 months ago
@hughesvenice grant is a private invesiagator and earns a living searching and looking around for evidence. A good p.i. doesnt need anyone to show him where he should be looking, he should already know to search the entire property. The same reason why the person showing grant the house didnt think of the garage is the same reason why grant didnt search it. That garage was not invisible or a secret.
EdinAmmar 4 months ago
Why didn't the person in the house show Grant the room over the garage?
dothetwistjackie 4 months ago
@dothetwistjackie idiot. Grant's the private investigator and it's his responsibility to search the property. Also the same reason why Grant didnt check the greenhouse is the same reason why Grant wasnt shown the room above the garage. You are such a ignorant sucker.
EdinAmmar 4 months ago
in those picture of Kurt dead, I see the cops taking pictures to his body, why dont they release those pictures?
PivotMakeranimations 4 months ago
@PivotMakeranimations The cops said that they were never devolped because apparently they don't develope pictures when it's a suicide? Of course I don't know why they'd even bother taking them then.
Athenaxxx3 1 month ago
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@floppingnoni Please do not tell me what to do. I highly believe that both men are held responsible for different reasons.
11amberyates 5 months ago
Grant was looking for Cobain, alive/commatose/dead, whatever. Who in his freaking mind is allowed to enter the property and doesnt think of the subject being outside the house? What if Kurt had been in his backyard contemplating trees while listening to some music with the earplugs on and didnt hear them? Grant's job was awful, and the only person to blame is him. Dont blame the weather or a drug addict, none were hired for Grants job.
floppingnoni 5 months ago 27
@floppingnoni
Cali, lived at the house and was there before and after Kurt was found dead. The POLICE went to the house, during the DAYLIGHT hours, on at least two occasions to check for Kurt. Once again, very sloppy work by the Seattle PD. I arrived AFTER those searches and I was with the person who was instructed to show me EVERYTHING. When I was there it was DARK AND RAINING. At least five others searched before I arrived!
Please get your facts straight. Thank you. Tom
tomgrantpi 4 months ago
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Aren't PIs usually hired because people expect a sloppy work by the police?
Let's supposse you couldn't see anything the 1st time you went there,I'll change the question: who in his freaking mind goes to the property when it's dark and raining and doesn't go back the day after by daylight? What if Kurt had been assaulted by a robber and was badly injured in his backyard?
I still think you all did a sloppy work in this case.
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@floppingnoni WOW this is sooo true!! I hate Tom Grant so much, he is an incompetent and many of the stories he tells are simply not true...for exemple the story of the lethal dose of heroin: a blood level of 1.52 mg/L (level found in Kurt's blood)indicates an original dose of approximately 225 mg-240 mg of heroin. I can say with absolute certainty that a quarter gram of heroin is absolutely NOT a lethal dose for a strong heroin addict like Kurt was... not even close to the lethal dose!
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rockunit22 3 months ago
@rockunit22: Can you provide me with one case of anyone with that level of heroin who was able to remain conscious long enough to pick up a gun? Halperin and Wallace worked with a coroner who researched this and they were unable to find one case, even among seasoned heroin addicts. The idea that there is no ceiling for heroin tolerance is a myth.
judyleasugar97 3 months ago
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rockunit22 3 months ago
@rockunit22 My dear friend, forgive the brutality but you absolutely need to go back to school to study math!
One mg (milligram) is exactely the thousandth of a gram . This means that a gram is made from 1000 mg and then 225 mgs are just a little less than a quarter of a gram!
I repeat: I can say with absolute certainty that a quarter of a gram of heroin is absolutely not a lethal dose for a strong heroin addict as kurt. Not even close!
xxAnne81 3 months ago
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freddiemercurychamp 3 months ago
@xxAnne81: Well, you can't provide me with an example to prove your point. And I'm not your dear friend.
judyleasugar97 3 months ago
@judyleasugar97 Well,I lived for years with a brother addicted to heroin. Believe me, if I speak with such confidence is because I do it based on experience. Everyone has his own personal tolerance to opiates, but there are objective limits on quantity. For a a strong heroin addict the lethal dose could be around 1 gram (it depends on individual tolerance and on some other thgs). A quarter of a gram is a normal dose...one can die if it is badly cut, but is objectively NOT a lethal dose!
xxAnne81 3 months ago
@xxAnne81: But a coroner who specialized in toxicology said he couldn't have remained conscious long enough to fire the gun. Don't you think a professional would know?
judyleasugar97 3 months ago
@judyleasugar97 Please note that there are many other toxicologist who argue the opposite.I think that sometimes specialists are not so"specialist"especially in cases like this one, when everyone wants to get into the spotlight.
From my experience,I know for a fact that a quarter of a gram of heroin is not a lethal or disabling dose: one can take it and be able to do all his own thing,and I know because I saw it with my own eyes. So there is no specialist in toxicology that could change my mind
xxAnne81 3 months ago
@xxAnne81: "Many" other toxicologists? Like who?
The toxicologist I mention worked with two writers who meticulously researched to find a single case of someone who could function with this level of morphine and could find NO example. That kind of speaks for itself.
judyleasugar97 3 months ago
@judyleasugar97 If you focus only on Tom Grant' investigations is logical that you'll never find what I say. Search on this case in general, let alone Tom Grant, and you will find that there is indeed a doctor who injected his patient with the same amount of heroin, and then the patient was fully conscious and interacted. Search on google how much is the lethal dose for a strong heroin addict ... it's easy. For my part I did not need evidence of this type
xxAnne81 3 months ago
@xxAnne81: You're talking about the scene in the movie "Kurt and Courtney." What they don't mention is that the morphine was methadone, orally administered. Not nearly as potent as heroin. You can take a lot more methadone and do just fine because it doesn't hit the system as fast. Not the case with Kurt, who had a 3 times lethal dose of intravenously injected heroin.
judyleasugar97 3 months ago 5
@judyleasugar97 To understand what I mean you should inform about heroin in general, regardless of the Cobain case. The media can greatly manipulate the information and we must know how to protect! They talk about three times the lethal dose, so that a single lethal dose should be around 80 mg...this is not a lie but actualyis a potentially lethal dose 4 a beginner, for a heavy heroin addict the lethal dose is infinitely higher (about 1 g) so you see how they are good at manipulating information
xxAnne81 3 months ago
@xxAnne81:
There is no scientific basis for the no ceiling for heroin tolerance argument, that makes it merely a theory. Fact, there is no case in history of someone with a 3 times lethal dose that was able to function at all, let alone shoot themselves. And supposedly Kurt rolled down his sleeves and buttoned them, and put his needle away too. Come on.
judyleasugar97 3 months ago
@judyleasugar97 You just don't want to understand! Maybe I'm repetitive, but the fact is that the amount of heroin taken by Kurt (approximately 225 mg) is absolutely NOT three times the lethal dose for a strong heroin addict! It's true that the concept of drug tolerance is quite subjective, but there are still quantities that can be objectively classified as lethal, potentially lethal or normal, and 225 mg is objectively a normal dose for a strong heroin addict like Kurt was.
xxAnne81 3 months ago
@xxAnne81: I've been hearing this argument for several years, and yet none of the people are able to provide a single example PROVING this is true. Can you tell me about a case in which someone with this level of heroin was able to function long enough to pull a trigger? Face it, it's an unproven theory..
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xxAnne81 3 months ago
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@judyleasugar97 Sorry but how do you think I could find such a prove? I'm not the owner of the archives of suicide and overdose! But I have personally known people who took their quarter gram of heroin every morning for years. And you, why haven't you searched in google what are the lethal levels of heroin? Is very simple, just click "heroin lethal dose" and then we'll talk....let me know what you find!
xxAnne81 3 months ago
@xxAnne81 you should know when youre dealing with judyleasugar that she truely believes Courtney love is hiring and paying people to go on youtube and spam or thumb her down. Judy has built her life around kurt being murdered. During this process judy had to suspend logical, rational thinking in oder to expalin her irrational thoughts.
EdinAmmar 4 weeks ago
@EdinAmmar You're right I should not, but I can't help but get mad when I hear this shit! You know, I lived for years with a brother who tooks his fourth gram of heroin EVERY morning. How can anyone say that this is a lethal dose? How can anyone deny the truth in this way and pretend to be an expert? I am not an expert in the Cobain's case and I don't pretend to be, but to hear these things makes me think that the whole conspiracy theory is a great bullshit!
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rockunit22 3 months ago
@xxAnne81 oh shit you re right...i guess i thought it was 2250 mgs... fuckk my bad... then i totally agree a quarter of a gram a lethal dose?? i can say by experience this is nonsense a quarter of a gram for an addict is nothing people...and kurt cobain was on heroin for yearss...obviously the ones who question this have never tryed and opiate in their life.
rockunit22 3 months ago
@rockunit22 Unfortunately I speak from experience too, and I would like everyone to know that the story of the lethal dose is a huge absurdity.Surely Tom Grant has never madeuse of opiate,but this is not an excuse. This story in particular demonstrates that Grant is a great incompetent and a liar.And it makes me suspect that all the theories on which the conspiracy theory is based are bullshit like this one. I love Kurt Cobain to the madness, but I sincerely believe that he committed suicide
xxAnne81 3 months ago 6
@floppingnoni you could easily be lying about where you have been. I don't know you at all to just take your word that you have been there. If that were true,however, I believe that even if grant could see the GARAGE from certain entrance angles on the grounds of the house, we can't say Grant knew there was a GREENHOUSE above the GARAGE. Dylan should have opened his damn mouth. He's held responsible as well as Grant is. Cause Dylan is responsible regardless
11amberyates 5 months ago
@11amberyates I totally respect you for doubting my statements, I'd do the same. In this case, that's why I would never buy the story about Grant not knowing about the greenhouse.
It's a shame Grant didn't film what he did there because, have you ever thought of his search not being as exhaustive as he likes us to believe? Dylan wasnt the person hired and responsible in the Cobain search so dont blame him.
floppingnoni 5 months ago 4
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@floppingnoni: You still haven't answered the question, if they were supposed to show Grant the entire property, why didn't they show him the greenhouse?
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@profaneoneohone: You still haven't answered the question, if they were supposed to show Grant the entire property, why didn't they show him the greenhouse?
profaneoneohone 4 months ago
Grant didn't even know he was looking for a murder victim at that point. He was hired to look for a husband who didn't want to talk to his wife. Why didn't they show him to the room above the garage when he was led through the house? That's what I'd like to know.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
An intelligent PI would go to the garage and see if theres some evidence of the subjects presence. If you go there you see the stairs. Kurt might have been lying dead on the grass and Grant didnt bother to take a look around the backyard. And Grant went more than once. It cant be justified.
floppingnoni 5 months ago 20
I don't normally assume there is a room above a garage. And it was dark and rainy. Also, Grant was assuming someone there would show him the entire house when he arrived. I think the real question is, why didn't they show him the room above the garage?
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
anyone who's been around people on IV opiates knows that even a small dose can easily incapacitate a person. Despite the fact that I'm a medical profession who has administered all times of opiate analgesics and benzos, it's just common sense that 3 times the LETHAL dose of heroin would render even a severe addict unable to function. The dose Cobain would have had to take to cause the blood morphine level he supposedly had would have rendered him unconscious or dead in less than a minute.
amandarimmer 6 months ago
@amandarimmer He had an injection site on each arm, so isn't it plausible that the heroin was administered in 2 doses, not one, w/ some unknown amount of time elapsing between the doses? In your experience, would a time lapse between doses allow for an increase in control of mental/physical faculties with that blood morphine level? Would tolerance play also a role in the amount of time the person had before falling unconscious?
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak thats an awesome question!! :D
11amberyates 6 months ago
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TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
Courtney Love is a murderer.
dangerdaysalice 6 months ago
@dangerdaysalice you are nothing but an immature, navie, paranoid girl, who knows nothing about the real world. You have no punk ethics and your idea of punk is shopping in a mall. YOu have terrible taste in music. All the personal stuff aside you have no logic or common sense. Can you please please tell me what reasons do Dave and Krist have to cover up kurts drug use and death? Why does Krist and Dave's statements on kurt back up what Courtney says?
EdinAmmar 6 months ago
@EdinAmmar i know right?! lol freaking Dave Grohl and Krist noveselic are and were super torn over kurt's death. Those two are the only ones who seem really really beaten up about it. especailly krist. Man he talked about it years and years after. he was 43 and he just looks so so sad. like he wants to cry. Dave Grohl wrote a song about kurt. one that i know of. called there goes my hero. its for kurt. its about kurt cobain. Dave and krist are good people
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates I think that a lot of the people who knew Kurt were deeply affected by his death, not only Krist and Dave. Kurt's father released a statement to People magazine for their story on the 10-year anniversary of Kurt's death, where he chastised all the "quacks" trying to make money off their son's death & says his family knows that Kurt killed himself. Rosemary Carroll was interviewed by Everett True for his Nirvana book, she obviously cared for Kurt. Kurt's Aunt Mari was deeply hurt...
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak i know man. i know :/ there are just so many things that don't make sense. Thats exactly why the case should be opened :/ we all could be wrong. Grant could be wrong because after all he is only human and some humans do things for money or for attention and they make mistakes. you know? we can only just be as smart as we can and one fine day. things will be made clear. tom is still working on this case. so there are more audio tapes to come out. this isnt over
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates Yeah man, I'm with you on the case being reopened, that's the only way to silence the debate for once and for all. I don't share your optimism in that ever happening, though :/ Maybe. Cases have been reopened after greater lengths of time. Some cases, like JFK's, Bruce Lee's, Marilyn Monroe's, forever remain in a quagmire of doubt and speculation. Cross says he held Kurt's actual suicide note in his hand, it's possible it still exists today.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak yes. Dylan was lying to Tom grant about the greenhouse when he talked about the conditions of it.Dylan never said he didn't know about it, he said its was dirty and etc. Tom grant does have a responsibility and maybe him not assuming that there was a green house above the garage is a mistake that he shouldn't pawn off on anyone else. But honestly he is a good guy with nothing to hide. Had he known the whereabouts of the green house, would he have not checked it? yes. he would.
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates Can Grant prove that Dylan had ever actually been inside the greenhouse? How do you know that Dylan wasn't just relaying an assumption to Grant? Had Grant asked whether or not there was a guest house, or anywhere else on the property that Kurt might be holed up, wouldn't they have gone there? To the best of my knowledge, it's not like Grant asked Dylan about a garage or other places/rooms on the property before Kurt's body was found. He facepalmed when he found out about the garage
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak i see what you mean :D but GRANT never even said that Dylan had been in there. It was Dylan who said what the room looked like INSIDE after grant asks "whats the greenhouse?" How can someone tell you what the inside of a building looks like without ever being inside? But alas that bit of information doesn't really matter considering that we all know that Dylan at least knew the location of the greenhouse. he kept his mouth shut though
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates That's true, we can definitely say that Dylan was aware that there was a room of some kind above the garage, and that he didn't tell Grant about it. Whether or not Grant asked Dylan about the existence of a garage/shed/guest house/green house has yet to be seen. We do know that Dylan told Grant "I think they keep some lumber up or something." The "I think" tells me that Dylan was possibly guessing, assuming. Only he would know for sure. I'd like to hear the entirety of Tom's tapes.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak Grant possibly could have asked him =/. i think you are getting to ahead of me. You see, im not Tom grant :p so i don't know everything he asked Dylan that day lol. Those are really questions that we have to ask grant ourselves because only he can tell us what he asked Dylan. But im pretty sure that grant, being a ex detective and having just came off a kidnapping case of an 18 yr old girl was murdered, im sure he would have asked Dylan if there was anywhere else to look.
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates I'm not as confident in Grant as you are, and I'm not willing to assume that Grant asked anyone anything unless he can show it on tape. The burden of proof lies squarely on his shoulders, ya know? I'd like to hear the entirety of Grant's tapes, instead of all these 10-20 second excerpts that could potentially be very misleading.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak i agree with you :) i want to hear more things that prove more than what we already know.
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates Cool. I knew we could find some middle ground! :)
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak He would indeed check the green house to see if there was any clue as to where Kurt was in there. No matter if the wheather was bad like it was that night. it's not about Tom Grant not checking the greenhouse we know why he did'nt. It's now about why Dylan avoided the greenhouse.Tom is now thinking "Why did this man who is BEST friends with Kurt, not tell me about this room above the garage."
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates It's clear that Dylan knew there was a room above the garage, but it's not perfectly clear whether or not Dylan knew better that the room was not exactly "a tiny gross dirty little room", or whatever his exact words were. He told Grant "I think they keep some lumber up there." Had Dylan ever actually seen the room, or was he just relaying an assumption that he had made, without ever having actually seen the room?
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak i sent Tom gran all those wonderful questions you were asking me about Dylan. You asked some awesome questions. The same questions that i wondered but never thought to really ask him cause you know. ya just kinda figure he would have not been an idiot :P lol
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates I'll be interested to hear what his response is. Better yet, I'll be interested to see if he divulges any new information in whatever book it is he's planning to release, pending a publishing agreement.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak i tried replying to you via my email but idk if you got those messages lol. i said thank you i would really love the link you have explaining cadaveric spasms :)
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates I PM'd you the link to the site. I didn't get any messages from you :( Next time, to send a Private Message, just go to my channel and click the "send message" icon :)
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@11amberyates let me get this straight. Krist, who knew kurt for almost 15yrs since h.s., knows less about kurts life, thought, and feelings than Tom Grant. According to you a persons close friends know nothing about them. How can you give more credibility to a private investorgaor then Krist, who knew kurt for almost 15 years and was kurts oldest friend. Anyone who has close friends knows that they know there friends better than anyone else which includes private investagotrs.
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
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11amberyates 5 months ago
@EdinAmmar You should know that i NEVER said that Tom grant knows more about Kurt's LIFE. I believe that Tom Grant knows alot more about his DEATH and what could have probably CAUSED his DEATH. Don't you get what i am saying at all? Why do you insist on not actually taking in anything that you are reading and making your self look like an even bigger erratical Moran than you already appear to be? Do your self a favor and shut the fuck up.
11amberyates 5 months ago
@11amberyates answer me this who knows more on about kurts life, thoughts, and feelings? Is it tom grant or Dave and Krist? How knows more about kurts lifestyle and is able to make a logical opinion on kurts death? Is it tom grant or Dave and Krist?
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@11amberyates Who knows more about Kurt's life style, thoughts, feelings and to make a judgement on if he was capable of killing himself? Is it Grant or Dave and Krist? Are you telling me that you believe what Grants says about Kurts final days and death or Dave and Krist? I would trust what someone who knew and was close to kurt for almost 15years over what any pi has to say. Then again i'm a logical thinking person, not some confused girl living in a bubble.
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@11amberyates ok so you think that Grant knows more about kurts death than Dave or Krist and you think Grant knows more about what CAUSED kurt's death than Dave or Krist. That's impossible Dave and Krist were there with kurt during in final months. Krist saw how kurt was going to buy drugs. Krist and dave where at his intervention. They say kurts mental state and were first hand witness to his lifestyle. The ones best qualified to speak on his death are Dave and Krist not Grant.
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@11amberyates those two comments alone especially the one you said about " a friend can tell anyone anything but it doesnt make it true" shows that you give no validity to Dave or Krists thoughts on kurts death. Tell me amberyates who do you think is in a better position to speak on kurts life style and death? A p.i. or someone who knew kurt for almost 15 years and was a close friend of his? Tell me what reasons or motives do dave and krist have to cover up kurts death?
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak could there have been someone else in that room that could have known of such a thing that takes place when one kills shoots themselves? i wonder if you can make another person have a cadaveric spasm by simply placing ones hand on the hand on the barrel while you shoot them. Also should he not have had a cadaveric spasm in his hand he used to shoot the gun? you should be using two hands to shot your self. one to pull the trigger and one to hold the gun, right?
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates I'll give you the link to the site. The condition occurs in muscles that are tensed and flexed at the moment the victim dies. It can occur in both suicides and homicides. When considering which scenario is most likely, things like the position of the weapon are taken into account. It preserves the exact attitude of the person at the moment they died, that's why it's so useful to forensic investigators.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak i need to look up more things about the cadveric spasm =/ i don't really understand it. im wondering if kurt should have been more sprawled out than he was. im also wondering it that gun should have flew out of his hand as he was thrown back. he didnt look thrown back =/ but idk if a cadaveric spasm would make the hand so stiff right away, that the gun would go nowhere
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates I can PM you the link to a forensic pathology site regarding cadaveric spasm. It happens at the instant of death, usually in instances of sudden traumatic death (blow to the head or heart), can affect all muscles of the body, but is usually seen in the hands. The site is written by an acting medical examiner from Jamaica, his credentials are listed in the "about me" header of the site. Let me know if you want it.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
from watching this, i have a theory
1.he died of a heroine overdose, or he was unconscious, considering the fact that he was too high to pick up the shotgun. then he was send to the hospital to be checked on. then he moved to puerto rico, the end.
2. wait, actually, dont take my word for it cuz im not totally sure if hes alive or not, but from reading one article, that changed my perspective. but i wouldnt take another critic's word for it since THAT guy said he had no evidence or photos.
TheSnak369 6 months ago
why doesnt the police even care when Courtney files a false police report, and she admits it, shes confessed, is it not the least bit embarrassing, SPD? is there someone high on the hog protecting that woman or what ?? Might there be higher hands in play of Cobains death? How could they call it a suicide on the day the body was found? When does that EVER happen??
AllThingsRevealed 7 months ago
LOL at the trolls.
TestMeatDollSteak 7 months ago
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But I only care about EdinAmmar's emotional well being. He has been posting for months, trying to get testmeatdollsteak's attention. These two have got to get together! Real love will help them to forget about trying to brainwash people bitch Courtney is innocent so they can move on with their lives together!
BlondAmericanAnarchy 7 months ago
@BlondAmericanAnarchy i doubt courtney is innocent with ANYTHING
11amberyates 6 months ago
BlondAmericanAnarchy and ifuckinghateglee are both internet parasites. They clearly aren't even commenting on the video, or adding to the relevant discussions in the comments section, just "venting" their anger at me and other youtubers for not sharing their wacky theories. I also strongly suspect that they both have poor vaginal hygiene, the shame and stench of which has rendered their own personal lives extinct, so now they obsess over my personal life. LOL.
TestMeatDollSteak 7 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak when i was talking about Dave and krist i was merely talking about the band mates. :) i know all about his family and things. ofcourse they would be sad! loll.
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates Ok. But don't you find it odd that so many of the people who were close to Kurt, all of whom were obviously deeply affected by his death, seem to have accepted his death as a suicide? Usually, in cases where the ruling was legitimately suspect, it's friends & family of the victim that are petitioning the courts & media for justice. With Kurt, there's his grandpa Leland, & Kim Gordon has expressed some doubts...why is there so little support for these theories from the Nirvana camp?
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
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Edinammar and testmeatdollsteak should do it. They have so much in common.
ifuckinghateglee 7 months ago
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Funny that Edinammar always appears after testmeatdollsteak does on youtube vids. Edin must have a hard on for testmeatdollsteak. Think about it, he follows tmds around on yt. Tmds and Edin talk to each other on his channel and yet, tmds denies knowing Edin. Eden longs for the day tmds will declare to the world he knows Edin! Tmds should stop defending the murderer Courtney and open himself to the joys of hot gay sex with EdinAmmar!
BlondAmericanAnarchy 7 months ago
it was SUICIDE you sad sad sad fucks.
0whokilledbambi0 7 months ago 18
@0whokilledbambi0 Thumbs up :)
TestMeatDollSteak 7 months ago
@0whokilledbambi0 Yeah, and you would know? Know one truly knows what happened to Kurt. But, just do lots of research on the case. It's pretty bizarre.
SizedChewyStick 5 months ago
@0whokilledbambi0 You are a prick,you believe what the news tells you,I'd love to kill you.And maybe I will.
kathflinnmolly 5 months ago
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pjarnold89 7 months ago
I don't know if Kurt shot himself or not. All I know is that the police should reopen this case, because they did a shitty job when they investigated it..
sodagirl96 7 months ago 30
@sodagirl96 if i were you, i would send this to every nirvana video possible
TheSnak369 6 months ago
@TheSnak369 or not, actually, dont
TheSnak369 6 months ago
@sodagirl96 I agree, alot of times apperant suicides and labelled as just that and often the "suicides" were actually murdered, i saw a whole documentary on this before making it look like someone took there own life is an easy way to get away with murder and thats scary
kylas124 4 months ago
He locked himself in the green house and was frusturated with the overdose, lollapalooza, divorce and all this crap and shot up sum heroine. He stayed their for a few days and then someone came in from the balcony (which was unlocked) and shot him. I dont know if it was courtney, but i know something doesnt add up. His tires were slashed, and the shell was on the wrond side of the body. Ive read the police report and so can you at justice for kurt . com
maxmatt4 7 months ago
@maxmatt4 Courtney was in LA the entire time that Grant was looking for Kurt, so no, it could not have been Courtney. And wouldn't it make more sense that whoever shot him (if that's what you believe is what happened) was already there in the room with him when Kurt was shooting up? Perhaps a drug buddy? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that Kurt would just sit in a room filled w/ nothing more than potting soil for days on end, especially since people claim to have seen him around town.
TestMeatDollSteak 7 months ago
Want the attention. A lot of fans believed he was killed for an excuse. It's not going to change anything. Just listen to his music and let it go.
CuteHotChiliPeppers 7 months ago
@CuteHotChiliPeppers not a lot of people like to get murdered, and its not fun getting murdered by someone who ends up taking everything you own and raising your children. if it is happening then something needs to be done, i dont care if its kurt cobain or joe blow, you dont set that kind of precident where wives murder husbands via staged suicides and police immediately calling it suicide. How many murderers got encouraged from this case? and where do you expect THEM to stand in it?
AllThingsRevealed 7 months ago
@UNSUNGBAND I know that already. Like I said, I knew all of the "evidence" that shows it was a murder. I've gone passed this phase and I'm over it. That would be perfect evidence if he came forth BEFORE he died, but it was after. Polygraphs aren't always right and I don't think Courtney was crazy enough to actual try to kill Kurt. EVERYONE but his closest friends and family members believed he was suicidal. He probably didn't want to come out to the media and say that he was because he didn't w
CuteHotChiliPeppers 7 months ago
Judyleasugar wants fucking video footage of Kurt Cobain shooting dope next to a fucking newspaper with the date clearly displayed in order to accept that her theory of Kurt being a happy go lucky, drug free dude in 1994 is completely preposterous. Even then, she'll probably say it was faked by Courtney Love. There is no use trying to rationally speak to you Judy. The facts surrounding Kurt's death make NO sense if he'd been living a clean, sober life. Go back to your Nancy Pelosi videos.
TestMeatDollSteak 7 months ago
People should know that EdinAmmar is a cyber bully.
judyleasugar97 7 months ago
Tell me your opinion: Is Kurt high in this interview?? Done for Mtv in late December 1993 - less than 3 months before his OD in Rome and less than 4 months from his death.
/watch?v=BCbtRMz0ADY
TestMeatDollSteak 7 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak: This is not proof. Kurt's blood test a month before his death showed no morphine. Fellow musicians on his last tour said he wasn't using. That's more like proof. My point is the idea he was still using the last months is an assumption without basis.
judyleasugar97 7 months ago
@judyleasugar97 A negative drug test for heroin doesnt prove that he was off heroin. Fact heroin stays in the body for 3 days. Fact kurt has said in previous interviews when he was on tour over seas he would take prescription meds. Fact both Dave and Krist have gone on the record and said Kurt was using drugs right before his death. Fact kurt was never ever clean for a substantal peroid of time.
EdinAmmar 7 months ago
@EdinAmmar he wsa clean around the time he and Courtney were going through custody battles over Frances bean Cobain. they had to take constant drug testing and they weren't allowed with Frances alone
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates Yes, Kurt went through cycles of kicking and relapsing, as most junkies do. Kurt was using dope heavily, by his own admission, during the time Courtney was pregnant w/ Frances, and he became addicted. By all accounts of the people who knew him, from that point forward Kurt was constantly going through this cycle of rehab, kicking, and relapsing. By spring 1994 Kurt was using again.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak yep yep yep. i know he was using again :). some people say he wasn't but um, Kurt was 115 pounds when he died. That is NOT not healthy weight for a 27 year old MAN by any means :P. when he was healthy, around the time with him and Courtney having custody troubles, kurt was 135 pounds. so fine!! :D lol
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates Thank you, some common sense! This is one of my major arguments w/ Judyleasugar & her friends, whether Kurt was still using dope in 1994 or not. Too much evidence that Kurt was using to deny it...have you read Everett True's Nirvana book?
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak no i have not :( . Thats one of the books i need as a matter of fact. i have three books im trying to get to read, even the HTH book. i know that one is bull spit but i wanna read it anyways.
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates True's book is really interesting, and really long. It has interviews w/ people like Cali DeWitt, Rene Navarette (one of the other nannies), Rosemary Caroll, the Nirvana roadies. True is critical of both Love and Cobain. Cross's books are more interesting for the interviews he conducted w/ Kurt's extended family & band, and his access to Kurt's things. Cross also recounts a lot of Love's misinformation w/out questioning it, and offers a lot of his own opinions as facts, but hey.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak Also, i cant explain why the other family members haven't publicly said they think it wasn't a suicide. Thats their personal feelings. who knows why they have accepted that. probably doubt cops would make a mistake. At least maybe they just hope they didn't. im just listening to convo phone calls and reading all the evidence,which point to something other than suicide. The whole thing surrounding Kurt's could have went so much smoother. but it didn't because of Courtney.
11amberyates 6 months ago
@11amberyates Well, I can't argue with you about Love. It's pretty much entirely because of her insane manipulative personality that the murder theories exist in the first place, with or without the SPD's relatively quick ruling of suicide. The "evidence" in favor of murder has been available to the public for over a decade, & a lot of the people who knew both Kurt & Courtney are not big fans of Courtney (Krist, Dave, Kurt's mom). You'd think maybe one of them would question the official ruling.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
@judyleasugar97 Judy how many times do i have to post that you are a paranoid, mentally ill person before you seek help. You constantly talk about kurt and his life as if you personally knew him. Kurt would spit on your ugly face and tell you to leave his family alone if he were alive. You are the kind of nirvana fan that kurt hated and you have terrible taste in music. You truely believe that courtney is paying people to go on ytube and post replys to your comments. Get help.
EdinAmmar 7 months ago
@EdinAmmar wow, you really are a stupid piece of crap aren't you? All you can fucking do is name call. I usually don't talk to babies like you, but ill go ahead and give you the attention you are craving from me so badly. A FRIEND can tell ANYONE ANYTHING, you dumb cunt, It doesn't make it true. Two friends say it was a suicide (though i have heard that Dave grohl has never said it was a suicide publicly) because the police said so.If they had said otherwise the two would believe that too
11amberyates 5 months ago
@11amberyates what are you talking about? Do you have any close friends? If you have close friends you'd know that you know you close friends better than any "police report" or findings from a private investigator. You want to know why a close friend knows a person better than a private investigator, because a friends has spent many hours with that person and knows that persons thoughts and feelings. Which is something a private invetgator can never fully comprehend.
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@11amberyates Everyone should know that 11amberyates says that Tom Grant is better informed and knows more about Kurts life, thoughts, and feelings, than dave or krist (who knew kurt for more than half of kurts life). According to her a persons close friend for years is not qualified to speak on their friends life style or thoughts. She would rather believe what a p.i. says about a person than what his close friends think. How logical is that?
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@EdinAmmar You really are a little baby,@EdinAmmar. When someone doesn't agree with you, you just go around and make these dumb broadcasts like anyone gives a shit. XD what a cry baby. Is that what you do when someone disagrees with you? LMFAO you aren't worth the time or effort. I refuse to talk to anyone like you about anything remotely related to cobain because you throw way too many tantrums. Your tantrums are all over this videos comments. :p pussy ass baby
11amberyates 5 months ago
@11amberyates these are your quotes "A FRIEND can tell ANYONE ANYTHING, you dumb cunt, It doesn't make it true. Two friends say it was a suicide (though i have heard that Dave grohl has never said it was a suicide publicly) because the police said so.If they had said otherwise the two would believe that too". So you think that dave and krist believe that kurt killed himself cause of a police report? Do you think they are that stupid that they need the police or anyone else to tell them about K
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@EdinAmmar You still seem to not understand the simplest of statements made in my comment. Im only talking about his death. I also made a very basic statement referring to conversations one might have about their friend. I also am letting you know that Dave Grohl has never publicly admitted that he believed Kurt's death was a suicide. What in there says that i think a P.I or anyone who didn't know Kurt personally, while he was alive, knows more about him than his friends.
11amberyates 5 months ago
@11amberyates did you watch the foo fighters documentary that was released this year? If you did you'd know that Grohl makes it clear that kurt killed himself and tried to kill himself in Rome. You made a comment that Dave and Krist thoughts on kurts death are based on the police reports. You also made comments that " a friend can tell anyone anything, you dumb cunt, it doesnt make it true". You are implying that the friends of kurt didnt know what was going on with his life.
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@judyleasugar97 Judy, you know nothing about heroin or drug addiction. You live in a tiny bubble and have no real life or street experiences to talk about. You are uncapable of critically thinking and you rely on 2nd or even 3rd witnesses to form yer opinions. The statements of Dave and Krist alone should tell you that kurt was on drugs before his death and that he killed himself. What reasons do krist and dave have to cover up kurts death or lie about his addiction?
EdinAmmar 7 months ago
@judyleasugar97 IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY EVERYONE ON HERE THAT JUDY IS PARANOID AND MENTALLY ILL. SHE THINKS COURTNEY LOVE HAS HIRED AND PAID PEOPLE TO MONITOR AND POST REPLYS TO HER COMMENTS. JUDY THINKS THAT COURTNEY TRIED TO KILL KURT IN ROME, EVEN THOUGH DAVE AND KRIST ARE ON RECORD SAYING THEY TALKED TO KURT AFTER ROME AND KURT ADMITTED TO OD ON RUFFIES. JUDY ALSO THINKS THAT COURTNEY BRIBED THE POLICE,DA, AND CORNER IN ADVANCE OF KURTS DEATH. SHE'S INSANE. LET HER KNOW HOW CRAZY SHE IS.
EdinAmmar 7 months ago
@judyleasugar97 Your "proof" he was completely off drugs is an assumption, too, and it's been debunked a fucking MILLION times by now, you just refuse to get it through your thick skull. The blood test only PROVES 3 DAYS, cuz that's how long morphine stays in the system, and Kurt, while alive, had attested to generally avoiding dope while in Europe, so the facts are consistent w/ that. Krist & everyone who saw him after Rome say he relapsed in March 94. He went to rehab. That ALONE says RELAPSE
TestMeatDollSteak 7 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak: You still haven't conclusively proven Kurt was on drugs the last months of his life. It's an assumption. Drug test? Witnesses he was shooting up? All you've got is that he went to rehab because Courtney threatened not to let him see Frances if he didn't. That's not proof.
judyleasugar97 7 months ago
@judyleasugar97 Derp! Krist is a witness, he said in his interviews w/ Cross that he saw Kurt fucked up after Kurt told him to drop him off at a "friend's" house in March 94. This would be the part where you disavow Cross as "Courtney's lap dog" and throw the baby out with the bath water by asserting that everything in HTH is "a pack of lies". Also Rene Navarette claims to have shot dope w/ Kurt @ the Marco Polo March 94, before the intervention. Eye witnesses? Check.
TestMeatDollSteak 7 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak: If indeed she said those things, Navarette is probably some druggie Courtney bribed. I've never seen her comment on this anywhere besides that pile of lies book.
smileygreenlizard4u 7 months ago