you get better thru the 12 steps not listening to drunk-a-logues,on one to ones.Meetings are important to those who want to go,but you will here some shit from time to time.Just because some people have been sober for a long time, dosen't mean they have good quality sobriety.Alot of the information you need is in the AA approved literature ie Big Book,12and12.For those who want it that is,if you don't want that way of life then you try something else.But what I do know is that blame rarely works
yep - these are almost all misunderstandings and cult like things practiced in the name of 'modern' AA around the country by people who don't really know what AA is. I run from those meetings too.
But almost none of it is from the actual program - the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. The only thing from the book I heard in this video was the disease concept of alcoholism - which is then mocked. Read the program yourself to find out what AA really is.
I tried AA many times since I was 22 and always went back to the bottle. I couldn't stand the meetings. Boring, depressing, repetitive shit. At 34, I woke up one day and just decided that enough was enough. My life was a shambles. I have been very happily sober for 15 years now ~ WITHOUT AA. My life is fantastic. I also got so tired of men trying to 13 step me. I was desperate and the last thing I needed was some AA freak making a pass at me. They are all white knuckle drunks addicted to AA...
AA uses faith healing, which doesn't work. SMARTRecovery, SOS, and Rational Recovery are reality based. Online recovery chat can help too.
Convincing yourself that an invisible superfriend will help you if you if you telepathically beam requests into space (pray) is not recovering from an addiction. AA just replaces one method of avoiding reality with another. I beat a drinking problem three years ago by leaving AA and facing reality.
@mrrogue72 That's true, but what Higher Power that hears and answers prayers isn't some kind of a god? A quick reading of the 12 steps makes clear that it's a god they're talking about. Step 3, in fact, specifically says "God" is what we are to turn our will and life over to.
I don't believe in any gods, any afterlife, any soul, etc. - and I'm just as sober as anyone in AA who does.
I went to AA to try to get rid of my addiction. They all told me I had personal problems and go through the list. But here's the deal, and I'm being honest -- I love loud music and I love having the high while doing it. I have no dirty laundry, I have no people I need to make reprehends with because I did that on my own without the "Big Book," What I have found profound is that the people I met at the meetings were stuck up, had their own little click.
@StanBennet Stuck up or stuck in. The good answer to neurotism by Carl Jung. If ya loved the high but reach the limits all drugs have and want to get rid of it, you're fu**ing* normal.
*Oups I'm german, fu** you, I'll use that wording anyway
There is just two laws in psychology.
First - "problems" and cure is between two ears
Second - any therapy for neurotics that doesn't work w/in one year is crap
Sad that you feel the necessity to denigrate a program that has saved hundreds of thousands of lives since it's inception and continues to do so. AA saved my ex husband's life. Where do you get your facts from? I have never seen the statistics you quote as any kind of study or survey. I've seen people go in and out of rehab facilities like they are caught in a revolving door. I'm not an alcoholic, but I support any program that helps people get clean & sober. Sorry it didn't work for you.
@callin416 Quitting drinking is what saves lives (or more accurately, prolongs lives). More do it without AA than with it.
Other support groups and methods of quitting have higher success rates and are also virtually or totally free. Examples: SMARTRecovery, SOS, Rational Recovery, and many online sobriety chat websites.
Those of us who have tried AA and found it lacking, then found better ways to quit, want to share the message that better ways work for more people - without religion.
@ndrthrdr1 I understand that quitting drinking is the ultimate plan in all groups, but having many family members who are alcoholics, drug abusers (including meth), and dual addicted, I too have an opinion. I have watched family members go in rehab and do well for a few weeks afterward. It doesn't take long before they are in jail, in the hospital, or back in rehab. My husband who is dual addicted is currently in prison. My former husband died from kidney cancer after eight years of sobriety.
@ndrthrdr1 Some people need the daily or weekly meetings to continue being sober. A lot of people need the feeling of closeness with a higher power to remain sober. Some need the association of others in the same predicament to keep themselves on an even keel. Personally, we have become a Godless nation and would rather substitute other drugs to stop drinking than work at it. Having studied in this field for 40 years, I do not see the success rates you quote - anywhere. Thank you for posting.
@callin416 I tried AA various times over a total of 25 years, struggling to quit and stay quit, but never made even 6 months with AA. All but one attempt lasted less than 3 months.
Then I heard about SMARTRecovery. Thru online chat and face-to-face meetings, I was in contact with SMART members daily for the first few months while learning how to get at the root problems and actually deal with them, rather than simply praying that some divine power source would help.
All your videos rock, but your AA ones are totally spot on (no I'm not English). I am from Ypsilanti, MI (the true home of Iggy Pop (not Ann Arbor, although it's an okay city), but have lived in Miami, Seattle, etc. and AA is a national epidemic (thank god they frown on it in Argentina). I quit drinking and doing heroin after a decade of trying to quit via AA. Surprise, Surprise, it never worked until I decided to quit on my own and avoid faith-healing programs (I am an agnostic).
As a very insightful ex-AAer once said, "AA is a religion in denial."
Here's its theology:
They'll say your "Higher Power" can be anything (a lamp, a table, the AA group itself), but by Step 3 we must "turn our lives and our will" over to the H.P.
In the Big Book, our H.P. is:
-Called "God"
-Male (always called Him, never Her or It)
-A singular deity (never called Them or They)
-Conscious of our thoughts; can perform faith healing
AA: religion with a holy book, 2 saints and 12 commandments.
First off there are no "have to's" in the program. If there were I wouldn't be sober today. If you or anyone else seeks another option to stay sober and it works - my hat is off to you. And last, I sense a resentment!
almost everything you said... 90 meetings 90 days, no relationships for a year.... not one of those things is said in the big book and goes against the principals of aa.
12 steps are only suggestions... I'm posting this because it is important to find a solution, be it science, higher power, God based or whatever. AA is very poorly represented in these vids, stereotypes galore. And again, I have my own beliefs/disbeliefs. I chose a way which has worked for millions of people and it worked for me. I wish you all the best in your sobriety.
I'm happy that yourself & others have found ways that work for them. I respect your beliefs/disbeliefs. And of course our ends aren't "jails, institutions or death" if we don't join AA. Rather, if we don't find a way to recover (quit drinking or drugging) , we end up facing jails, institutions and death....
We did, and we're sober and happy. We just want to let people know that when AA tells you that if you leave AA, you'll face "jails, institutions, or death" it's not true at all. Same with the "spiritual malady" nonsense.
I got Clean and sober through AA and haven't had a drink or drug for over 24 yrs now. i also stop smoking 3 pks a day thru the 12 step to. I know many with 20yrs plus who have done same. it works for me and may others but its not the only way.what i found in AA 12 steps is i got clean sober and at peace inside with a lot more happiness then i even known . i went to AA tostop drinking it Saved my life . btw it got me off the Mental health drugs too. mind body and soul right choice 4 me
Actually, none of this is in your video true at all. Most people throw their opinions in - which are all the things your video is describing. Those people you are quoting are, in fact, wrong. I am married to a Normie, no one told me to leave him or my family. They told me to nut up and be a social member of society. Gee, sounds awful, doesn't it?
@externalink123 They told you to be a social member of society? What kind of dimwit can't figure that out without a cult?
That's yet another example of people cherry picking the few good bits of AA and showing that they are so deluded that they have become convinced that the cult is "the" source of these obvious, common sense ideas.
This is some of the funniest shit I've ever seen! OMG! By the way, I am really sorry that AA didn't work for you. I hope you find something that works for you. Why bash it though? Get busy finding something that works instead and if not, see ya in the rooms. Lol!
@jedmisty said "Get busy finding something that works instead and if not, see ya in the rooms. Lol!"
We did, and we're sober and happy. We just want to let people know that when AA tells you that if you leave AA, you'll face "jails, institutions, or death" it's not true at all. Same with the "spiritual malady" nonsense.
If AA has no religious affiliations then why are there meetings always in a church or a Salvation Army building etc. The truth is that like at least 7 US courts have ruled that they're indeed a religion. The doublespeak employed by AAers shows what they are- A DANGEROUS CULT that I fear won't be confronted until there's some kind of Waco-style siege...
some BASIC study of 12 step litterature will show that there is NO religiouse affiliation and no dogma doctrin or teachings on religiouse basis in the steps. members are directed to find their own understanding of GOD and not to push that on other members. you show me one cult similar? 12s are run by the members so there may be areas where the guidelines are not followed because of misinformed or misunderstood members. dont give up keep looking for the folks really working on themselves
Having grown up in AA since the age of 5 I have to agree with nearly everything you've put forth here. I've been looking for alternative recovery and find it damn absurd that anything but AA is considered an alternative. Even the VA offers nothing but 12 step "modalities" for recovery and is filled with mutual admiration societies of paid bleeding deacons. It's all damn absurd and disheartening... AA should come with a warning label that says "May cause thoughts of Suicide"
Dear Mr.GP.If You were concerned about Alcoholics being mislead,You wouldnt be misleading them.I found error in many of Your half truths.1.AA does not have us Recruit people only offer them hope that AA Works.2.We listen to boring peoples stories because its respectful.3.We dont see our sponcers as always right,they only give suggestions. 4.AA has worked for me a former skid Roe Bum,n for the people i sponcer,and has the Highest Success Rate of any other program ever,BUT is NOT the only way.
@mdaskal2000 When your ready you will stop. AND REMEMBER It's ok it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault it's not your fault,it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault it's not your fault
0% effective? I call bulls@#t. I know for a fact that it worked for my father, who was sober for over 20 years before he died. I know a number of other people who lead happy and sober lives thanks to AA.
0% effective? I call bulls@#t. I know for a fact that it worked for my father, who was sober for over 20 years before he died. I know a number of other people who lead happy and sober lives thanks to AA.
What a load of crap ! our meeting have a 70 % suces rate ! More then half the crap you said are not official AA slogans, try reading the book before you just lash out bullshit
@ATLBoy1229 Actually its 100% true. Alcoholics Anonymous has a success rate of about 5%. I guess you and your AA buddies would just say fuck the other 95%. AA is nothing more than a cult.
@TheManMostMysterious There is no way to track the sucess rate of an anonymouse program so any statement of percentages is COMPLETELY FABRICATED!!!!! however it is posible to prove by attending conventions and area service meetings that 12 step recovery is alive and well in the hearts of (millions) world wide. there has to be some reason that many people keep coming back.
@pabartelt Yeah there is a reason. Its because its a fucking cult that creates a sense of dependency. The fact that anybody comes back is testament to AA's failure. If you have to keep coming back, then obviously you're not sober and the 12 step program fails. Its nothing but a brainwashing cult trying to forward religious indoctrination.
Their 0 percent effectiveness rate is because of the Spirit behind their program, that spirit is not of God...It's a Principality at best...NA and AA are both forms of Godliness that deny the Power to make you whole...It's the most religious program I have come in contact with and I've been delivered from addiction for 6 years without NA...To God be the Glory for that...Thanks for posting this video!!
The maker of this video is very cool and witty. So cool and witty, in fact, that he has taken it upon himself to potentially end someone else's life. THAT''S SO COOL! (AND WITTY). I have a suggestion... Find someone who has lost everything to alcohol and/or drugs and is considering going to AA, and steer them away from it. According to you, you'll be saving them. Then, take them in to your home and feed and clothe them until they're all better. That would be so cool! (but not very witty)
@37village Hi id like to reply to this message i spent 2 years in the program and was sober for 22 months of that time. I have to say that 12 step programs are at there core complete bullshit. scientifically illogical and altogether a cult.
LOL, The maker of this video is real need of a 12 program to get over his resentment over AA and his inferiority issues. godlesspartnet your opposition is needed to fly kite I can see your are flying one. The program has helped you make this lame video and get me to listen to your cry for help. 154 844 views WOW. Try getting that much attention talking of your own mystery or any ideas of your own. AA is about being authentic. in the mid time keep coming back.
Oh, glad you made me laugh so much, and thrilled you posted this! I get too angry half the time even hearing now about "recovery subculture", as I call it and this illogical dogma. Good to laugh through it, and to see the common threads....I married an anthropologist and this fits rather well in his work....it would be an interesting study, to be sure, to pick apart these beliefs not just medically but with a social scientist....think we'll give it a try.
to bad most people dont ever find real aa..alot of the trouble is that people who really dont belong there in the first place have become the voice of aa..a watered down version based on crap...almost everything you said has nothing to do with REAL AA,.i could break all of this down for you but youll find the real teacher if you really are a drunk or dope fiend..sounds like you might not be..
@neibobber I Agree! What bugs me the most is the alot of people have this idea that AA is a place to cry about their problems and/or share their drinking war stories. Complete waste of time to do that in a meeting! Sad thing is thats why so many think that AA doesnt work. I go only for the solution and screw all the other b.s. Its about LIVING one day at a time! Not taking it one long day at a time. God bless. :)
@somethingdiffereable if AA sucked when you tried if you really gave it any effort than you failed it. evidence of millions of people recovering from terible addictions worldwide show it has a posotive effect. if you had a bad experience and chose to resent the whole fellowship that is up to you, but to bash the whole thing becuase a childish mentality toward making an effort instead of looking to something else to fix them constitutes (sucks) than i guess AA sucks for you
Wow it's disappointing to hear such a negative attitude about AA. I hope no one watches this and is deterred. It's all about perception if j want to believe a a is boring and and a cult then that's what u will believe and not grow. I just know for me with the help of AA and a sponsor (who help me where only drink and drugs would help me before) I have a worth while life. AA doesn't disagree with the courts. It's up to the individual how many meetings they go to. Every body does have an impo
As it says in the big book, "If anyone who is showing inability to control his drinking can do the right- about-face and drink like a gentleman, our hats are off to him." In other words, like Roland Hazzard, the famous businessman mentioned in the big book, not everyone needs AA to stop drinking. It is there for those who want it, not those who need it. Peace.
AA destroyed my 3 year relationship with my boyfriend who i loved dearly. They had him abandon me and leave me alone in a hospital with a stroke I had from the stress. I was told I could never understand and I was an enabler
Then he went back to his crack whore ex wife anyway. SOME WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION WHAT A JOKE
The assholes in AA will brainwash anyone with a former drinking problem to convince them that AA is a progressive disease. i drank for 12 years, got sober for two years, and went back out March of 09 and feel so much relaxed. I've gotten better since then. i drink less. Alcoholism a fatal progressive disease? BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!
@nemesisgenius They will run your life. I was in this crap for 10 years and it will make you freakin miserable. Yes, dump your current boyfriend because the powers that be want to get into your pants!
@nemesisgenius Thats fine.Drink your beer,I really don't care.I'm not tryin to save you.If I was in that business I woundn't waste my time on you.I don't meanthat in a mean way.You don't want help.When I drink,I hurt people.That's my deal.AA helps me not be an animal...Your handle suggest a bit of ego as well as your obsession to take on AA..WTF? LOL.A genious you're not,and ironically you are your own Nemisis...Ya sound very fulfilled and happy.NOT.Hey,just helpin ya out,Ya seem to like this
@joeyd31215 Shut the hell up you self righeous Alcoholic Asshole. If you had the guts to talk it up to my face, I'd drop kick you. A six pack yesterday. Big deal. I bet you drank more than that and got 100 DUIs. I don't need help. AA is a cult full of selfish self righeous PUNKS LIKE YOU who can't handle their liquor!!. I'm too smart for AA, because only idiots like you stay sober. I was more miserable in AA than I am now. Don't reply.
@nemesisgenius How can you talk all that crap and expect me not to reply.Ya talk it tough on here NANCY!I handled my liqour pretty well most of the time.No DWI's.Just got tired of feelin like you feel right now.I'm not an idiot,that's not why I drank.I couldn't stop once I started,most of the time I kept my cool.Call it a cult,so what.Fact is I belong to something.Bet you're a lonely miserable MFer,whos world is the size of a peanut.That's why your energy goes here.Bet you ain't a bad guyeither
@joeyd31215 Name the time and place ASSHOLE AND I WILL BEAT THE FUCKOUT OF YOU!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU YOU DICK SUCKING SELF RITCHEOUS CUNT!!! I WILL DESTROY YOUR FUCKING ASS IN A HEART BEAT MOTHER FUCKER!! SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT!!!!! YOU WILL BE SORRY YOU MET ME YOU AA PRICK ASS BITCH!!! YOU'RE FUCKED YOU CUNT ASS BITCH!! I WILL GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS IF YOU MESSAGE ME AGAIN. GOFUCK YOUR MOM!! I DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF YOUR FUCKING FAMILY DIED IN A PLANE CRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
@nemesisgenius You're a pussy...lol.You're a sick punk-ass that talks to much.You're clearly livin a life of fantasy.Funny thing is,I'd drink you under the table.I would even have to clench a fist.I stopped drinkin for reasons you wasted bitch-ass can't even phathom.No wonder you don't wanna get sober.You'd have to look at that...lol...I laugh at you...You're about the biggest thing thats helped me realize what a douch-bag I can be...Thanx nemesisvagina...
@joeyd31215 and one more thing I want to say. I've gotten into 100 bar fights in my life and won them all. I am the toughest in town. How tough are you big mouth self righteous bastard fucker!! TAKE ALL YOUR AA SHIT AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR CUNT BITCH!!
@nemesisgenius Yeah,you convinced me now I'm trembling...Keep doin the sevice work,lettin me know how healthy you are...toughest in town...lol...beer muscles...Arrested developement,you sound 12 yo.How can you make a credible argument against AA,when even the anti-AA folks read your moronic ramblings...You're doin your ministry more harm than good.You are a walking testement to my livin life sober.Thank you Baronesswitless
@joeyd31215 You're nothing but a pussy. I bet you you're going to relapse and get drunk again. The success rate is 2%, because AA is full of shit. You're full of horse shit.
@joeyd31215 You're a homophobic prick you pussytard. i'm not gay so fuck AA. I'm doing some more controlled drinking and suceeding, because I'm not going to AA. I'm not going to Assholes Anonymous like you.
@nemesisgenius This is the only attention you get.People you don't have the balls to go face to face with.You're such a chicken shit in your fantasy of bein a tough guy.A legend in your own mind.Your shit is so weak,spoutin these absurd statistics and you can't even count...More so you feel you don't even count...and you don't while you waste away in your pathetic little resentment against the whole world...AA is just one more place you failed...Probably can't even get it upcause you're a homo
@joeyd31215 Would you shut the fuck up. I bet you're a motor mouth who takes up the whole meetings sharing your stupid ass story and all this lip flapping party line bullshit AA jargon. Hearing the same shit in AA will drive anyone back out to drinking again. Why don't you call your sponsor and bitch and whine to him or her about what an asshole I am. I dare you to write me on your 4th step you piece of fuck!!
@nemesisgenius C'mon genius,your shit is so lame it's hilarious.Very amused by your moronic comebacks.Not much of a nemesis.Yeah,I got da gift of gab...Catholic Irish Alcoholic...CIA...Ru in seattle,I'd be glad to meet with you...Bring it Nancy
@joeyd31215 You're lamer than a dickless doe doe bird. Come on down to Costa Mesa, CA bitch cat and I'll show you the real nemesis. You're nothing but a big fat motor mouth with your head up your ass. I'll buy you your first six pack, but lay off my bottle of Cuervo I'm drinking right now. You've never met a mean drunk til you meet me Mr AA nazi.
LOL Glad I didn't run into to many of these stumbling blocks when I needed help! And when I did, I ignored the nonsense, found a different meeting, or spoke up. This guy's opinions are his, certainly not mine or most of the folks I know in AA/NA. But I enjoyed the video anyway, I think we need to laugh at ourselves and the people we associate with sometimes! LOL
LOL Glad I didn't run into to many of these stumbling blocks when I needed help! And when I did, I ignored the nonsense, found a different meeting, or spoke up. This guy's opinions are his, certainly not mine or most of the folks I know in AA/NA. But I enjoyed the video anyway, I think we need to laugh at ourselves and the people we associate with sometimes! LOL
Dude... Sounds to me like you never really tried. You just kind of expected a cult from the start so you walked in and started judging people. I'm glad you found something that works for you.
Leave us alone dude. 90% of what you just said doesn't even make sense. I think you might have more problems than just drinking. You might want start seeing a different counselor. If your current therapist is letting you be this paranoid, they're not being very effective. Good Luck.
@pendrin2020 I tried for years. AA did nothing who but make me feel bad and keep drinking. I found another way! This is actually humorous...did you not get that? Although, what he is saying is true he is trying to be funny!! DUH!
So you're still drinking? Or using? Or substituing? Of course not! You've figured it all out! If AA didn't work for you and you found another way to live a calm, peaceful, serene life then why do you feel the need to rip on AA which has clearly helped thousands of people? And have you come to grips with your problems with food yet? Just saying...
I've just polluted my mind with "bs" by watching this! AA works, if you actually take the actions suggested. I'm living proof. 6 years sober & life is absolutely wonderful!
10-agree 9 somewhat agree 8 wrong 7 wrong 6 wrong 5 wrong 4 wrong 3 wrong 2 wrong 1 laughably wrong I gave up counting the number of lies in this video and it's creator has either never attended a meeting or is completely delusional. AA isn't perfect by any means and it varies from region to region. As an agnostic I dislike the religious overtones of the big book, but having friends in the program with similar ideals has helped me immensely and kept me sober when other methods failed to do so.
There is power in the 12 steps! I know believe me. I went to a 12 step program, and took 12 steps out the door. Walking away from 12 step based groups is relieving. My 12 steps are far more effective. I don't know why people in AA make a big deal of things, its not like its a disease.
I've attended a year of AA (probation) and concluded that there is little I can get out of a religious program like AA. There is usually an older person who says basically its not a religion and the like. They've simply swapped out a priest for a sponsor--one of the requirements being you must "confess" everything wrong you've ever done to a sponsor regardless of whether or not they're qualified to offer any advice--unlike say a psychiatrist. The whole set up is suspicious to say the least.
This is absolute BS. AA doesn't say they can cure your alcoholism...They say they can help guide you to sobriety if you want it. The accusations in this vid and some of the comments are simply here to be negative. If it didn't work for you, fine...However it has for many of us. All you haters shouldn't go and compare AA to a cult. It's not the Church of Scientology for cryin out loud. I finally found sobriety in AA after 10 yrs of trying to get sober on my own. And btw, I'm an Atheist.
0%!!! Really? Wow... AA helped me find a God of my own understanding and I've been sober for years...and I'm happy about it. I didn't HAVE to do any of the stuff you were talking about.. that "fake it till you make it" is crap. The program is about honesty. Furthermore, I don't see how ANY accurate success rate could be calculated due to the whole Anonymity thing. I, for one, have never been surveyed. Sorry you had such a bad exp. with AA
Im in a 12 step program and find this hysterical. I can see it both ways. Just the other day everyone was telling some dude to break up with his girl and get a sponsor. hahahaha I was one of them. Then I made a joke that the city should replace all the judges with rubber stamps to save money and then my sponsor started pouting and wont talk to me. hahahaha Most of these looney tell me I should go to NA because I smoke weed while they are all popping 100s of different pharmacuticals. haha
@sarbear1104 - Yeah, unfortunately (for you) this is a free country & people are allowed to speak their minds. AA is no different than any religion trying to control people & tell them what they can & can't say or do (just like you're trying to do right now). AA doesn't work and I'll tell you exactly why - they expect you to constantly re-affirm the negative: "Hi - I'm Joe Blow & I'm an alcoholic" - look up the word "Autosuggestion", it works. And it's the reason you have successfully failed.
@liquidbraino You're quite clueless about what AA is about. Exclaiming that we're alcoholics after introducing ourselves reaffirms a positive...That we admit and are fully aware of what we are and not in denial. AA doesn't work for everyone, especially cynics nor people who believe they can find sobriety solely on their own...Even doing your own research has required extensive work by others. "successfully failed"? ..You must have gone to some shitty meetings. It only works if you work it.
What exactly do you purport that does work then eh??? And you are wrong that AA has a 0% success rate. That's either an ignorant or intentionally libelous remark, and I will not address it further. Obviously you weren't going to AA because you wanted what it had to offer and you dropped out. Don't be angry at then for your failure.
AA does not tell you that you HAVE to do anything just advises that you take these steps as they are the best way known by the group to prevent a further downward spiral of alcoholism. Bill W. is not thought of as a prophet but a man who found a way to stop drinking and help others to recover from alcoholism he was not perfect the point is he tried and managed to help millions of people stop drinking even if only for a while and to teach them to have a more spiritually sound life.
AA is great - its the only place I've ever been to that teaches that you can change and be free. It identifies the bit we cant change (craving alcohol if an alcohol takes it) but everything else is open to growth and change. It puzzles me why such closed minded people without a clue about what they are talking about put out crap which could actual kill people - shame on you
AA has helped many people! There is a 12 step program, you take it as you wish. Who gives a fuck if you don't follow every single "rule" of it, as long as you end up a happier person. These "rules" are just a generalization to support you in keeping away from what could take you back to sucking dick for a can of beer. In any situation surrounding yourself with people who have been through what you have been through, is comforting. It doesn't work if you don't put in the effort.
Stupid drunks always try and excuse away AA. Without sobriety you will never accomplish what you were born to. The pain you stupid drunks cause is beyond explaining. My stupid drunk Dad still makes me puke!
While this may certainly be "THIS person's truth", it does mean it is THE truth and more importantly , it does not mean it has to be YOUR truth. While you have the choice to embark on the horrific chemo/radiation treatment for a progressive all-consuming cancer that is killing you or not, likewise, 12-programs should not be ruled out for a progressive, all consuming problem that may be destroying your life.
7- If my sponser is full of shit, i tell her. If she doesnt cut it out, i find a sponser who isnt an idiot Btw sponsers give advice about recovery if you ask them, not life outside of recovery. Theyre there to listen not give orders.
6- My life WAS unmanageable. I stole from loved ones, got fired, broke the law, had no money because i spent it all on booze. No job, no future. couldnt do a menial task w/out drugs. And ruining your life with drinking and continuing to drink IS insane.
Number 10- Meetings arent boring i have fun during them, listening to someone talk about getting drunk and beating the shit out of a group of dudes or smoking crack and chewing off someones ear is NOT boring. I look forward to mtgs. theyre fuckn crazy
9- You can tell someone if theyre being crazy, you dont have to listen to crazy oldtimers. i leave of i dont like whats being said. or i talk to the speaker after the meeting
iv'e been sober for 29 years,and you are sooo wrong.EVERYTHING is advice,you do not have to do a thing,you only need a disire to stop drinking.you know all the slogans,but what happened to you when you got so bitter....you had a drink! that's what!!
Most of what this guys says is bullshit - just a repeat of misconceptions held by many outside the AA program. AA works for some people but one size doesn't fit all. There are recovery programs which might work for you. By practicing the steps and following the methods promoted by AA, AA works for me, and that's good enough for me. Why do folks like this guy, try discredit something that saves lives, marriages, relationships, jobs etc? What is the motivation?
Whomever did this video either knows nothing about AA because he or she has never followed our program of recovery, or wants to lash out at a great program that really does work if you work it, because this person wants to do whatever he or she wants to do....namely still drink and/or drink and drug.........AA works and yes, we do have a disease that has to be attended to on a daily basis.
@SteveFromNYC You might go and stay sober. You might not go and stay sober. You might even keep drinking and survive. However, in actual studies, if you don't cherrypick those who "really" wanted to go, going to AA has EXACTLY the rate of a personal commitment, plus you have to believe in an omnipotent force that won't stop the holy wars in Southwest Asia but will help you, personally, stop drinking, as well as submit to classically-recognized brainwashing techniques.
@IoEstasCedonta I have to say that I appreciate that your comment appears thoughtful and that you believe what you are saying. As far as this "force" as you call it -- AA calls it a "power greater than yourself" -- it neither has to be ominipotent, nor able to stop wars. In fact, one can have any conception of a Higher Power they wish. The point is that since a person on his or her own cannot stop being destructive, one needs a power outside and above themselves in order to do so.
I have been going to AA on and off for over 25 years and the one fatal flaw that they make is that they dont read the Big Book. Bill Wilson had a great plan of living peacefully and fixing our karma. The Big Book has definitely helped me live a better way but in the meetings they preach sponsorship and the BB never even mentions the WORD sponsor. This puts your reliance on another fucked up human just like a religion. They also spew endless crap that is against the traditions. I have had enough.
@bachhell Some do the reliance on another fucked up human just like a religion. Some dont read the BB, some say its ends at page 164. The 4th edition is full shit, thats it.
I went to an Al-Anon meeting over 20 years ago. I went to a lunch that they held at a local restaurant on a subsequent occasion. I have never met as screwed up a group of people in my life.
You dont have to do anything..AA doesnt force you to do anything. wah wah wah get off the pity pot whiner. sounds like you havnt been gettin enough attention. sounds like nobody bowed down to worship you when you walked in the door. your like a grown up little kid haha
@mdaskal2000 I look at what i wrote now and think - this is a comment from a very depressed person. only drank that one day and realize it wasnt smart but what can i say,once in a great while it seems to help although I wouldnt suggest anyone follow my example.its just too dangerous as the behaviour of someone who is an alcoholic is very unpredictable and god knows what might happen
@akbill2 don't beat yourself up. guilt and shame is a AA/Religious tactic to subjucate and control people. the point of my rants is that i was not able to get control of my self-medicating until i got AWAY from the 12 steppers and began to use my brain, applying scientific/psycological techniques to the issue of compulsive behavior. that does not mean I'm perfect but at least i'm free. alcohol may not be healthy for your body...but AA KILLS the mind
@joeyd31215 but at what cost? turning my mind over to a group.....or giving all my power away to a group is no different than being drunk all the time. the AA mentality wants to look at everything in black/white instead of the many shades of gray. THAT being said...if it's a 'disease,' alcoholism should be treated by the medical profession. Not hand holding and praying. Thats asinine. God turns water into wine...or so I've heard....
you get better thru the 12 steps not listening to drunk-a-logues,on one to ones.Meetings are important to those who want to go,but you will here some shit from time to time.Just because some people have been sober for a long time, dosen't mean they have good quality sobriety.Alot of the information you need is in the AA approved literature ie Big Book,12and12.For those who want it that is,if you don't want that way of life then you try something else.But what I do know is that blame rarely works
opendtuning 10 hours ago
I'm clean and sober. I have been going to AA for almost 10 years. THIS WAS VERY FUNNY!!! hahaha
THUGBOAT831 21 hours ago
your full of yourself
bobdayle1 1 week ago
yep - these are almost all misunderstandings and cult like things practiced in the name of 'modern' AA around the country by people who don't really know what AA is. I run from those meetings too.
But almost none of it is from the actual program - the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. The only thing from the book I heard in this video was the disease concept of alcoholism - which is then mocked. Read the program yourself to find out what AA really is.
andymrmoto 2 weeks ago
I tried AA many times since I was 22 and always went back to the bottle. I couldn't stand the meetings. Boring, depressing, repetitive shit. At 34, I woke up one day and just decided that enough was enough. My life was a shambles. I have been very happily sober for 15 years now ~ WITHOUT AA. My life is fantastic. I also got so tired of men trying to 13 step me. I was desperate and the last thing I needed was some AA freak making a pass at me. They are all white knuckle drunks addicted to AA...
stelpan62 3 weeks ago 2
Me no likey AA.
MrBodypro8 3 weeks ago
AA uses faith healing, which doesn't work. SMARTRecovery, SOS, and Rational Recovery are reality based. Online recovery chat can help too.
Convincing yourself that an invisible superfriend will help you if you if you telepathically beam requests into space (pray) is not recovering from an addiction. AA just replaces one method of avoiding reality with another. I beat a drinking problem three years ago by leaving AA and facing reality.
ndrthrdr1 1 month ago 3
@ndrthrdr1 It's the Higher Power thing, not necessarily God.
mrrogue72 1 month ago
@mrrogue72 That's true, but what Higher Power that hears and answers prayers isn't some kind of a god? A quick reading of the 12 steps makes clear that it's a god they're talking about. Step 3, in fact, specifically says "God" is what we are to turn our will and life over to.
I don't believe in any gods, any afterlife, any soul, etc. - and I'm just as sober as anyone in AA who does.
ndrthrdr1 1 month ago
Frank Rocks!!
LukeMartinRecords 1 month ago
your an idiot...
rick10801 1 month ago
I feel the need for a beer!
208xomekxujek593 1 month ago
Anybody fancy a beer?
klassklassklass 1 month ago
I went to AA to try to get rid of my addiction. They all told me I had personal problems and go through the list. But here's the deal, and I'm being honest -- I love loud music and I love having the high while doing it. I have no dirty laundry, I have no people I need to make reprehends with because I did that on my own without the "Big Book," What I have found profound is that the people I met at the meetings were stuck up, had their own little click.
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andreasheinz 1 month ago
@StanBennet Stuck up or stuck in. The good answer to neurotism by Carl Jung. If ya loved the high but reach the limits all drugs have and want to get rid of it, you're fu**ing* normal.
*Oups I'm german, fu** you, I'll use that wording anyway
There is just two laws in psychology.
First - "problems" and cure is between two ears
Second - any therapy for neurotics that doesn't work w/in one year is crap
andreasheinz 1 month ago
Sad that you feel the necessity to denigrate a program that has saved hundreds of thousands of lives since it's inception and continues to do so. AA saved my ex husband's life. Where do you get your facts from? I have never seen the statistics you quote as any kind of study or survey. I've seen people go in and out of rehab facilities like they are caught in a revolving door. I'm not an alcoholic, but I support any program that helps people get clean & sober. Sorry it didn't work for you.
callin416 2 months ago
@callin416 Quitting drinking is what saves lives (or more accurately, prolongs lives). More do it without AA than with it.
Other support groups and methods of quitting have higher success rates and are also virtually or totally free. Examples: SMARTRecovery, SOS, Rational Recovery, and many online sobriety chat websites.
Those of us who have tried AA and found it lacking, then found better ways to quit, want to share the message that better ways work for more people - without religion.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 I understand that quitting drinking is the ultimate plan in all groups, but having many family members who are alcoholics, drug abusers (including meth), and dual addicted, I too have an opinion. I have watched family members go in rehab and do well for a few weeks afterward. It doesn't take long before they are in jail, in the hospital, or back in rehab. My husband who is dual addicted is currently in prison. My former husband died from kidney cancer after eight years of sobriety.
callin416 2 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Some people need the daily or weekly meetings to continue being sober. A lot of people need the feeling of closeness with a higher power to remain sober. Some need the association of others in the same predicament to keep themselves on an even keel. Personally, we have become a Godless nation and would rather substitute other drugs to stop drinking than work at it. Having studied in this field for 40 years, I do not see the success rates you quote - anywhere. Thank you for posting.
callin416 2 months ago
@callin416 I tried AA various times over a total of 25 years, struggling to quit and stay quit, but never made even 6 months with AA. All but one attempt lasted less than 3 months.
Then I heard about SMARTRecovery. Thru online chat and face-to-face meetings, I was in contact with SMART members daily for the first few months while learning how to get at the root problems and actually deal with them, rather than simply praying that some divine power source would help.
3 years without a drink.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
All your videos rock, but your AA ones are totally spot on (no I'm not English). I am from Ypsilanti, MI (the true home of Iggy Pop (not Ann Arbor, although it's an okay city), but have lived in Miami, Seattle, etc. and AA is a national epidemic (thank god they frown on it in Argentina). I quit drinking and doing heroin after a decade of trying to quit via AA. Surprise, Surprise, it never worked until I decided to quit on my own and avoid faith-healing programs (I am an agnostic).
SleezaPleeza 2 months ago
If you are not religious, SMARTRecovery is far better than Alcoholics Anonymous.
I now have three years without a drink, thanks to SMART.
I hear that SOS and Rational Recovery are good, too.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago 4
As a very insightful ex-AAer once said, "AA is a religion in denial."
Here's its theology:
They'll say your "Higher Power" can be anything (a lamp, a table, the AA group itself), but by Step 3 we must "turn our lives and our will" over to the H.P.
In the Big Book, our H.P. is:
-Called "God"
-Male (always called Him, never Her or It)
-A singular deity (never called Them or They)
-Conscious of our thoughts; can perform faith healing
AA: religion with a holy book, 2 saints and 12 commandments.
BlatzBeer 2 months ago 6
Perfectly said! AA is a hurtful cult! Sick people!
NicroticSouls 2 months ago 4
First off there are no "have to's" in the program. If there were I wouldn't be sober today. If you or anyone else seeks another option to stay sober and it works - my hat is off to you. And last, I sense a resentment!
tigerkid67 2 months ago
almost everything you said... 90 meetings 90 days, no relationships for a year.... not one of those things is said in the big book and goes against the principals of aa.
Jmeez69 2 months ago
12 steps are only suggestions... I'm posting this because it is important to find a solution, be it science, higher power, God based or whatever. AA is very poorly represented in these vids, stereotypes galore. And again, I have my own beliefs/disbeliefs. I chose a way which has worked for millions of people and it worked for me. I wish you all the best in your sobriety.
jedmisty 2 months ago
@ndrthrdr1
I'm happy that yourself & others have found ways that work for them. I respect your beliefs/disbeliefs. And of course our ends aren't "jails, institutions or death" if we don't join AA. Rather, if we don't find a way to recover (quit drinking or drugging) , we end up facing jails, institutions and death....
jedmisty 2 months ago
@jedmisty
We did, and we're sober and happy. We just want to let people know that when AA tells you that if you leave AA, you'll face "jails, institutions, or death" it's not true at all. Same with the "spiritual malady" nonsense.
jedmisty 2 months ago
I got Clean and sober through AA and haven't had a drink or drug for over 24 yrs now. i also stop smoking 3 pks a day thru the 12 step to. I know many with 20yrs plus who have done same. it works for me and may others but its not the only way.what i found in AA 12 steps is i got clean sober and at peace inside with a lot more happiness then i even known . i went to AA tostop drinking it Saved my life . btw it got me off the Mental health drugs too. mind body and soul right choice 4 me
si12volt1 3 months ago
My year in the AA cult was really horrible.
I left AA for SMARTRecovery and found success.
I have three years without a drink, no thanks to AA.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago 8
Actually, none of this is in your video true at all. Most people throw their opinions in - which are all the things your video is describing. Those people you are quoting are, in fact, wrong. I am married to a Normie, no one told me to leave him or my family. They told me to nut up and be a social member of society. Gee, sounds awful, doesn't it?
externalink123 3 months ago
@externalink123 They told you to be a social member of society? What kind of dimwit can't figure that out without a cult?
That's yet another example of people cherry picking the few good bits of AA and showing that they are so deluded that they have become convinced that the cult is "the" source of these obvious, common sense ideas.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago 2
I feel the need for a beer!
Cheers!!
Chadolution 3 months ago
just don't fucking drink and be responsible, don't be a victim, be somebody, don't grovel before these AA fucks. CULT CULT CULT
off2hnl 3 months ago 9
CULT ALERT
off2hnl 3 months ago 3
Your ignorant pal. God bless you :-)
deano584 3 months ago
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ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
This is some of the funniest shit I've ever seen! OMG! By the way, I am really sorry that AA didn't work for you. I hope you find something that works for you. Why bash it though? Get busy finding something that works instead and if not, see ya in the rooms. Lol!
jedmisty 3 months ago
@jedmisty said "Get busy finding something that works instead and if not, see ya in the rooms. Lol!"
We did, and we're sober and happy. We just want to let people know that when AA tells you that if you leave AA, you'll face "jails, institutions, or death" it's not true at all. Same with the "spiritual malady" nonsense.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
If AA has no religious affiliations then why are there meetings always in a church or a Salvation Army building etc. The truth is that like at least 7 US courts have ruled that they're indeed a religion. The doublespeak employed by AAers shows what they are- A DANGEROUS CULT that I fear won't be confronted until there's some kind of Waco-style siege...
SIM2402 3 months ago in playlist Denial AA sucks
absolutely love this video.
a mind is a terrible thing to waste. don't polute it with bullshit. Love that!
Admrs3 3 months ago 2
absolutely love this video.
Admrs3 3 months ago
some BASIC study of 12 step litterature will show that there is NO religiouse affiliation and no dogma doctrin or teachings on religiouse basis in the steps. members are directed to find their own understanding of GOD and not to push that on other members. you show me one cult similar? 12s are run by the members so there may be areas where the guidelines are not followed because of misinformed or misunderstood members. dont give up keep looking for the folks really working on themselves
pabartelt 3 months ago 2
Having grown up in AA since the age of 5 I have to agree with nearly everything you've put forth here. I've been looking for alternative recovery and find it damn absurd that anything but AA is considered an alternative. Even the VA offers nothing but 12 step "modalities" for recovery and is filled with mutual admiration societies of paid bleeding deacons. It's all damn absurd and disheartening... AA should come with a warning label that says "May cause thoughts of Suicide"
starfed64 3 months ago
Funny how some people talk about things they Know nothing about.
Engage Brain before opening mouth fits this guy!
As an AA member myself , I can honestly say that AA gave me back my life that alcohol almost stole from me.
billetroom 4 months ago
this guy who is speaking in the video is just mad because his sponsor spanked him.
brystonfan 4 months ago
Dear Mr.GP.If You were concerned about Alcoholics being mislead,You wouldnt be misleading them.I found error in many of Your half truths.1.AA does not have us Recruit people only offer them hope that AA Works.2.We listen to boring peoples stories because its respectful.3.We dont see our sponcers as always right,they only give suggestions. 4.AA has worked for me a former skid Roe Bum,n for the people i sponcer,and has the Highest Success Rate of any other program ever,BUT is NOT the only way.
TheCoffeeshopguru 4 months ago
What s wrong withh AA ? It is something to do. It helps killl time. And when you are sober you got lots of time all of the sudden.
ericksongeoff 4 months ago
The movie IDIOCRACY is a perfect example of the mentality of 12 steppers.
mdaskal2000 4 months ago 19
@mdaskal2000 When your ready you will stop. AND REMEMBER It's ok it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault it's not your fault,it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault it's not your fault
mrrogue72 1 month ago
this guy makes me want to stay sober. think ill go to meeting.
maninblack1861 4 months ago
I think he's reading from a script!
masterpadman1951 4 months ago
@masterpadman1951 So what?
TheManMostMysterious 4 months ago
Ha Ha Haa...just...keep coming back dear friend...
sunnybrett 4 months ago
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0% effective? I call bulls@#t. I know for a fact that it worked for my father, who was sober for over 20 years before he died. I know a number of other people who lead happy and sober lives thanks to AA.
CanadianRoadRunner 4 months ago
0% effective? I call bulls@#t. I know for a fact that it worked for my father, who was sober for over 20 years before he died. I know a number of other people who lead happy and sober lives thanks to AA.
CanadianRoadRunner 4 months ago
What a load of crap ! our meeting have a 70 % suces rate ! More then half the crap you said are not official AA slogans, try reading the book before you just lash out bullshit
Deep7322 4 months ago 2
i know i should live and let live but fuck you man.
Rcs52590 4 months ago
This video sucks. You are killing people by making this.
ATLBoy1229 4 months ago
@ATLBoy1229 Actually its 100% true. Alcoholics Anonymous has a success rate of about 5%. I guess you and your AA buddies would just say fuck the other 95%. AA is nothing more than a cult.
TheManMostMysterious 4 months ago 3
@TheManMostMysterious There is no way to track the sucess rate of an anonymouse program so any statement of percentages is COMPLETELY FABRICATED!!!!! however it is posible to prove by attending conventions and area service meetings that 12 step recovery is alive and well in the hearts of (millions) world wide. there has to be some reason that many people keep coming back.
pabartelt 3 months ago
@pabartelt Yeah there is a reason. Its because its a fucking cult that creates a sense of dependency. The fact that anybody comes back is testament to AA's failure. If you have to keep coming back, then obviously you're not sober and the 12 step program fails. Its nothing but a brainwashing cult trying to forward religious indoctrination.
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pabartelt 3 months ago
Their 0 percent effectiveness rate is because of the Spirit behind their program, that spirit is not of God...It's a Principality at best...NA and AA are both forms of Godliness that deny the Power to make you whole...It's the most religious program I have come in contact with and I've been delivered from addiction for 6 years without NA...To God be the Glory for that...Thanks for posting this video!!
TheCharity9 4 months ago
The maker of this video is very cool and witty. So cool and witty, in fact, that he has taken it upon himself to potentially end someone else's life. THAT''S SO COOL! (AND WITTY). I have a suggestion... Find someone who has lost everything to alcohol and/or drugs and is considering going to AA, and steer them away from it. According to you, you'll be saving them. Then, take them in to your home and feed and clothe them until they're all better. That would be so cool! (but not very witty)
37village 4 months ago
@37village Hi id like to reply to this message i spent 2 years in the program and was sober for 22 months of that time. I have to say that 12 step programs are at there core complete bullshit. scientifically illogical and altogether a cult.
mg08gark 4 months ago
The maker of this video does not really want to quit an looks for issues to continue drinking. Poor Guy.
jakgoldorak 4 months ago
LOL, The maker of this video is real need of a 12 program to get over his resentment over AA and his inferiority issues. godlesspartnet your opposition is needed to fly kite I can see your are flying one. The program has helped you make this lame video and get me to listen to your cry for help. 154 844 views WOW. Try getting that much attention talking of your own mystery or any ideas of your own. AA is about being authentic. in the mid time keep coming back.
mgzorro1 4 months ago
Oh, glad you made me laugh so much, and thrilled you posted this! I get too angry half the time even hearing now about "recovery subculture", as I call it and this illogical dogma. Good to laugh through it, and to see the common threads....I married an anthropologist and this fits rather well in his work....it would be an interesting study, to be sure, to pick apart these beliefs not just medically but with a social scientist....think we'll give it a try.
LexeconKiddo 4 months ago
For a good laugh, Google this
The Onion: Man Somehow Overcomes Alcoholism Without Jesus
There is a solution, and it's not the faith-healing cult of AA.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago 3
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ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
to bad most people dont ever find real aa..alot of the trouble is that people who really dont belong there in the first place have become the voice of aa..a watered down version based on crap...almost everything you said has nothing to do with REAL AA,.i could break all of this down for you but youll find the real teacher if you really are a drunk or dope fiend..sounds like you might not be..
neibobber 5 months ago
@neibobber I Agree! What bugs me the most is the alot of people have this idea that AA is a place to cry about their problems and/or share their drinking war stories. Complete waste of time to do that in a meeting! Sad thing is thats why so many think that AA doesnt work. I go only for the solution and screw all the other b.s. Its about LIVING one day at a time! Not taking it one long day at a time. God bless. :)
targa818 4 months ago
I agree with you 100%. This model of overcoming alcohol addiction is outdated and irrelevant. Are there any other options you can suggest?
handsomemikeG 5 months ago
@handsomemikeG Campral. It works.
lauralynt 5 months ago
@handsomemikeG i'll drink to that!
bobo007xx 4 months ago
After I have spent three years in AA....Love this video.
''The mind is a beautiful thing, don't pollute it with bullshit''
Fantastic.
How many times have I heard someone with serious emotional problems say, ''I cannot get it!!!''
Of course they cannot.
There is nothing to get.
God gave us brains to use and if he is a he or she, he/she don't want it back..
AA is 100% a cult.
Thanks.
mksy2012 5 months ago 2
AA sucks and it is a cult! Any questions?
somethingdiffereable 5 months ago 2
@somethingdiffereable if AA sucked when you tried if you really gave it any effort than you failed it. evidence of millions of people recovering from terible addictions worldwide show it has a posotive effect. if you had a bad experience and chose to resent the whole fellowship that is up to you, but to bash the whole thing becuase a childish mentality toward making an effort instead of looking to something else to fix them constitutes (sucks) than i guess AA sucks for you
pabartelt 3 months ago
so true!!!
karmalevel 5 months ago
you guys who like this video or agree with it f-ing retarted. it has helped so many get healthy and get back into life why put it down?
marlindiver10407 5 months ago
Wow it's disappointing to hear such a negative attitude about AA. I hope no one watches this and is deterred. It's all about perception if j want to believe a a is boring and and a cult then that's what u will believe and not grow. I just know for me with the help of AA and a sponsor (who help me where only drink and drugs would help me before) I have a worth while life. AA doesn't disagree with the courts. It's up to the individual how many meetings they go to. Every body does have an impo
TheDoonz92 5 months ago
As it says in the big book, "If anyone who is showing inability to control his drinking can do the right- about-face and drink like a gentleman, our hats are off to him." In other words, like Roland Hazzard, the famous businessman mentioned in the big book, not everyone needs AA to stop drinking. It is there for those who want it, not those who need it. Peace.
tomdickharryjane 5 months ago
Aa is like masturbating with a cheese grater very painful
Manicwensday1 5 months ago
you guys are all on a pink cloud ha ha
frontierdave 5 months ago
Amen, I lost My Best Friend Because Of This Freaking Program....it is clearly a cult
magnoliagoddess108 5 months ago
you're a pussy.
AKORNrap 5 months ago
This is ridiculous drivel. You made up literally every "point" you tried to make. Total fiction here.
TexArcher 5 months ago
AA destroyed my 3 year relationship with my boyfriend who i loved dearly. They had him abandon me and leave me alone in a hospital with a stroke I had from the stress. I was told I could never understand and I was an enabler
Then he went back to his crack whore ex wife anyway. SOME WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION WHAT A JOKE
abrahamsauto 5 months ago
The assholes in AA will brainwash anyone with a former drinking problem to convince them that AA is a progressive disease. i drank for 12 years, got sober for two years, and went back out March of 09 and feel so much relaxed. I've gotten better since then. i drink less. Alcoholism a fatal progressive disease? BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!
nemesisgenius 5 months ago 2
@nemesisgenius They will run your life. I was in this crap for 10 years and it will make you freakin miserable. Yes, dump your current boyfriend because the powers that be want to get into your pants!
meddetect10 5 months ago
@nemesisgenius Hats off to ya ,but you do sound a little angry...lol
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 If I had you as a sponsor, I wouldn't take any suggestions.
nemesisgenius 5 months ago
@nemesisgenius I don't think you'd take anyones suggestions...You put a lot of energy into such a negative place...Good luck with that
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 Go ahead and fire me as a sponsee. I only drank a 6 pack of Miller beer today. You're full of shit and AA is full of shit.
nemesisgenius 5 months ago
@nemesisgenius Thats fine.Drink your beer,I really don't care.I'm not tryin to save you.If I was in that business I woundn't waste my time on you.I don't meanthat in a mean way.You don't want help.When I drink,I hurt people.That's my deal.AA helps me not be an animal...Your handle suggest a bit of ego as well as your obsession to take on AA..WTF? LOL.A genious you're not,and ironically you are your own Nemisis...Ya sound very fulfilled and happy.NOT.Hey,just helpin ya out,Ya seem to like this
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 Shut the hell up you self righeous Alcoholic Asshole. If you had the guts to talk it up to my face, I'd drop kick you. A six pack yesterday. Big deal. I bet you drank more than that and got 100 DUIs. I don't need help. AA is a cult full of selfish self righeous PUNKS LIKE YOU who can't handle their liquor!!. I'm too smart for AA, because only idiots like you stay sober. I was more miserable in AA than I am now. Don't reply.
nemesisgenius 5 months ago
@nemesisgenius How can you talk all that crap and expect me not to reply.Ya talk it tough on here NANCY!I handled my liqour pretty well most of the time.No DWI's.Just got tired of feelin like you feel right now.I'm not an idiot,that's not why I drank.I couldn't stop once I started,most of the time I kept my cool.Call it a cult,so what.Fact is I belong to something.Bet you're a lonely miserable MFer,whos world is the size of a peanut.That's why your energy goes here.Bet you ain't a bad guyeither
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 Name the time and place ASSHOLE AND I WILL BEAT THE FUCKOUT OF YOU!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU YOU DICK SUCKING SELF RITCHEOUS CUNT!!! I WILL DESTROY YOUR FUCKING ASS IN A HEART BEAT MOTHER FUCKER!! SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT!!!!! YOU WILL BE SORRY YOU MET ME YOU AA PRICK ASS BITCH!!! YOU'RE FUCKED YOU CUNT ASS BITCH!! I WILL GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS IF YOU MESSAGE ME AGAIN. GOFUCK YOUR MOM!! I DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF YOUR FUCKING FAMILY DIED IN A PLANE CRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
nemesisgenius 5 months ago
@nemesisgenius You're a pussy...lol.You're a sick punk-ass that talks to much.You're clearly livin a life of fantasy.Funny thing is,I'd drink you under the table.I would even have to clench a fist.I stopped drinkin for reasons you wasted bitch-ass can't even phathom.No wonder you don't wanna get sober.You'd have to look at that...lol...I laugh at you...You're about the biggest thing thats helped me realize what a douch-bag I can be...Thanx nemesisvagina...
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 and one more thing I want to say. I've gotten into 100 bar fights in my life and won them all. I am the toughest in town. How tough are you big mouth self righteous bastard fucker!! TAKE ALL YOUR AA SHIT AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR CUNT BITCH!!
nemesisgenius 5 months ago
@nemesisgenius Yeah,you convinced me now I'm trembling...Keep doin the sevice work,lettin me know how healthy you are...toughest in town...lol...beer muscles...Arrested developement,you sound 12 yo.How can you make a credible argument against AA,when even the anti-AA folks read your moronic ramblings...You're doin your ministry more harm than good.You are a walking testement to my livin life sober.Thank you Baronesswitless
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 You're nothing but a pussy. I bet you you're going to relapse and get drunk again. The success rate is 2%, because AA is full of shit. You're full of horse shit.
nemesisgenius 5 months ago
@nemesisgenius Hey!You're losin your enthusiasm...You can do better than that...Chumpstain
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 You're a moron and a total pussy ass BITCH!!
nemesisgenius 5 months ago
@nemesisgenius For a self proclaimed genius you sure ain't got much....FAG!
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 You're a homophobic prick you pussytard. i'm not gay so fuck AA. I'm doing some more controlled drinking and suceeding, because I'm not going to AA. I'm not going to Assholes Anonymous like you.
nemesisgenius 5 months ago
@nemesisgenius This is the only attention you get.People you don't have the balls to go face to face with.You're such a chicken shit in your fantasy of bein a tough guy.A legend in your own mind.Your shit is so weak,spoutin these absurd statistics and you can't even count...More so you feel you don't even count...and you don't while you waste away in your pathetic little resentment against the whole world...AA is just one more place you failed...Probably can't even get it upcause you're a homo
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 Would you shut the fuck up. I bet you're a motor mouth who takes up the whole meetings sharing your stupid ass story and all this lip flapping party line bullshit AA jargon. Hearing the same shit in AA will drive anyone back out to drinking again. Why don't you call your sponsor and bitch and whine to him or her about what an asshole I am. I dare you to write me on your 4th step you piece of fuck!!
nemesisgenius 5 months ago
@nemesisgenius C'mon genius,your shit is so lame it's hilarious.Very amused by your moronic comebacks.Not much of a nemesis.Yeah,I got da gift of gab...Catholic Irish Alcoholic...CIA...Ru in seattle,I'd be glad to meet with you...Bring it Nancy
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 You're lamer than a dickless doe doe bird. Come on down to Costa Mesa, CA bitch cat and I'll show you the real nemesis. You're nothing but a big fat motor mouth with your head up your ass. I'll buy you your first six pack, but lay off my bottle of Cuervo I'm drinking right now. You've never met a mean drunk til you meet me Mr AA nazi.
nemesisgenius 5 months ago
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LOL Glad I didn't run into to many of these stumbling blocks when I needed help! And when I did, I ignored the nonsense, found a different meeting, or spoke up. This guy's opinions are his, certainly not mine or most of the folks I know in AA/NA. But I enjoyed the video anyway, I think we need to laugh at ourselves and the people we associate with sometimes! LOL
archiecat707 6 months ago
LOL Glad I didn't run into to many of these stumbling blocks when I needed help! And when I did, I ignored the nonsense, found a different meeting, or spoke up. This guy's opinions are his, certainly not mine or most of the folks I know in AA/NA. But I enjoyed the video anyway, I think we need to laugh at ourselves and the people we associate with sometimes! LOL
archiecat707 6 months ago
the most help people can get is by shuting the hell up and pay addition so get your facts right!
na4life100 6 months ago
Dude... Sounds to me like you never really tried. You just kind of expected a cult from the start so you walked in and started judging people. I'm glad you found something that works for you.
Leave us alone dude. 90% of what you just said doesn't even make sense. I think you might have more problems than just drinking. You might want start seeing a different counselor. If your current therapist is letting you be this paranoid, they're not being very effective. Good Luck.
pendrin2020 6 months ago
@pendrin2020 I tried for years. AA did nothing who but make me feel bad and keep drinking. I found another way! This is actually humorous...did you not get that? Although, what he is saying is true he is trying to be funny!! DUH!
MistyDSparkman 5 months ago
So you're still drinking? Or using? Or substituing? Of course not! You've figured it all out! If AA didn't work for you and you found another way to live a calm, peaceful, serene life then why do you feel the need to rip on AA which has clearly helped thousands of people? And have you come to grips with your problems with food yet? Just saying...
controllingidea 6 months ago
I've just polluted my mind with "bs" by watching this! AA works, if you actually take the actions suggested. I'm living proof. 6 years sober & life is absolutely wonderful!
lizal25 6 months ago
also, if it is truely a disease why do they make you admit your shortcomings and defects of character? I mean do bipolars, and diabetics do that?
karmalevel 6 months ago
I am addicted to internet discussion forums, and my life is unmanagable
MrNeilSuper 6 months ago 2
KeyGuy1967 6 months ago
There is power in the 12 steps! I know believe me. I went to a 12 step program, and took 12 steps out the door. Walking away from 12 step based groups is relieving. My 12 steps are far more effective. I don't know why people in AA make a big deal of things, its not like its a disease.
McDago100 6 months ago 2
I've attended a year of AA (probation) and concluded that there is little I can get out of a religious program like AA. There is usually an older person who says basically its not a religion and the like. They've simply swapped out a priest for a sponsor--one of the requirements being you must "confess" everything wrong you've ever done to a sponsor regardless of whether or not they're qualified to offer any advice--unlike say a psychiatrist. The whole set up is suspicious to say the least.
EMPERORMIKI 6 months ago
This is absolute BS. AA doesn't say they can cure your alcoholism...They say they can help guide you to sobriety if you want it. The accusations in this vid and some of the comments are simply here to be negative. If it didn't work for you, fine...However it has for many of us. All you haters shouldn't go and compare AA to a cult. It's not the Church of Scientology for cryin out loud. I finally found sobriety in AA after 10 yrs of trying to get sober on my own. And btw, I'm an Atheist.
mjbab73 6 months ago
0%!!! Really? Wow... AA helped me find a God of my own understanding and I've been sober for years...and I'm happy about it. I didn't HAVE to do any of the stuff you were talking about.. that "fake it till you make it" is crap. The program is about honesty. Furthermore, I don't see how ANY accurate success rate could be calculated due to the whole Anonymity thing. I, for one, have never been surveyed. Sorry you had such a bad exp. with AA
HLL9176 6 months ago
Im in a 12 step program and find this hysterical. I can see it both ways. Just the other day everyone was telling some dude to break up with his girl and get a sponsor. hahahaha I was one of them. Then I made a joke that the city should replace all the judges with rubber stamps to save money and then my sponsor started pouting and wont talk to me. hahahaha Most of these looney tell me I should go to NA because I smoke weed while they are all popping 100s of different pharmacuticals. haha
mustaffa1611 6 months ago
Any EXPERT can tell ya that this is one of the top-ten clubs.
But i guess it SHOULD be rather DEA vs FBI?
andreasheinz 6 months ago
Whoever posted this video is ridiculous..you wld be advised too keep your opinions too yourself. If AA helps people, why do you care?
I love AA and all its done for me
sarbear1104 6 months ago
@sarbear1104 - Yeah, unfortunately (for you) this is a free country & people are allowed to speak their minds. AA is no different than any religion trying to control people & tell them what they can & can't say or do (just like you're trying to do right now). AA doesn't work and I'll tell you exactly why - they expect you to constantly re-affirm the negative: "Hi - I'm Joe Blow & I'm an alcoholic" - look up the word "Autosuggestion", it works. And it's the reason you have successfully failed.
liquidbraino 6 months ago 2
@liquidbraino You're quite clueless about what AA is about. Exclaiming that we're alcoholics after introducing ourselves reaffirms a positive...That we admit and are fully aware of what we are and not in denial. AA doesn't work for everyone, especially cynics nor people who believe they can find sobriety solely on their own...Even doing your own research has required extensive work by others. "successfully failed"? ..You must have gone to some shitty meetings. It only works if you work it.
mjbab73 6 months ago
I've been going to NA and AA since 2004 and I've yet to hear about any "recruiting". WTF does this asshole think this is? Scientology?
mkultra776 6 months ago
@mkultra776 No, more like LAGER-SS.
andreasheinz 6 months ago
What exactly do you purport that does work then eh??? And you are wrong that AA has a 0% success rate. That's either an ignorant or intentionally libelous remark, and I will not address it further. Obviously you weren't going to AA because you wanted what it had to offer and you dropped out. Don't be angry at then for your failure.
MixxiePixxie 6 months ago
What a load of crap!!!! A typical example of megalomania
kaitakahashi55 6 months ago
AA does not tell you that you HAVE to do anything just advises that you take these steps as they are the best way known by the group to prevent a further downward spiral of alcoholism. Bill W. is not thought of as a prophet but a man who found a way to stop drinking and help others to recover from alcoholism he was not perfect the point is he tried and managed to help millions of people stop drinking even if only for a while and to teach them to have a more spiritually sound life.
Mgage1992 7 months ago
this is wrong.
666NinjaShadow 7 months ago
I just wanted to hear a testimony from a AA person. I did not expect this, and it was not something I wanted to hear. You have no shame.
letitrain51 7 months ago
AA is great - its the only place I've ever been to that teaches that you can change and be free. It identifies the bit we cant change (craving alcohol if an alcohol takes it) but everything else is open to growth and change. It puzzles me why such closed minded people without a clue about what they are talking about put out crap which could actual kill people - shame on you
davethawley1 7 months ago
@davethawley1 FaithNoMore may be FBI but doesn't actual kill people. Or not on a daily basis. (Joke)
andreasheinz 7 months ago
AA has helped many people! There is a 12 step program, you take it as you wish. Who gives a fuck if you don't follow every single "rule" of it, as long as you end up a happier person. These "rules" are just a generalization to support you in keeping away from what could take you back to sucking dick for a can of beer. In any situation surrounding yourself with people who have been through what you have been through, is comforting. It doesn't work if you don't put in the effort.
TwiztidPoo 7 months ago
Stupid drunks always try and excuse away AA. Without sobriety you will never accomplish what you were born to. The pain you stupid drunks cause is beyond explaining. My stupid drunk Dad still makes me puke!
mabellehardie 7 months ago
While this may certainly be "THIS person's truth", it does mean it is THE truth and more importantly , it does not mean it has to be YOUR truth. While you have the choice to embark on the horrific chemo/radiation treatment for a progressive all-consuming cancer that is killing you or not, likewise, 12-programs should not be ruled out for a progressive, all consuming problem that may be destroying your life.
Miked4doom 7 months ago
meh. ill get back t it later. its late. i got distracted. by my normal life and my normie boyfriend
jessicamshannon 7 months ago
7- If my sponser is full of shit, i tell her. If she doesnt cut it out, i find a sponser who isnt an idiot Btw sponsers give advice about recovery if you ask them, not life outside of recovery. Theyre there to listen not give orders.
6- My life WAS unmanageable. I stole from loved ones, got fired, broke the law, had no money because i spent it all on booze. No job, no future. couldnt do a menial task w/out drugs. And ruining your life with drinking and continuing to drink IS insane.
jessicamshannon 7 months ago
Number 10- Meetings arent boring i have fun during them, listening to someone talk about getting drunk and beating the shit out of a group of dudes or smoking crack and chewing off someones ear is NOT boring. I look forward to mtgs. theyre fuckn crazy
9- You can tell someone if theyre being crazy, you dont have to listen to crazy oldtimers. i leave of i dont like whats being said. or i talk to the speaker after the meeting
jessicamshannon 7 months ago
bitter man! have a drink
iv'e been sober for 29 years,and you are sooo wrong.EVERYTHING is advice,you do not have to do a thing,you only need a disire to stop drinking.you know all the slogans,but what happened to you when you got so bitter....you had a drink! that's what!!
hereinthebronx 7 months ago
Most of what this guys says is bullshit - just a repeat of misconceptions held by many outside the AA program. AA works for some people but one size doesn't fit all. There are recovery programs which might work for you. By practicing the steps and following the methods promoted by AA, AA works for me, and that's good enough for me. Why do folks like this guy, try discredit something that saves lives, marriages, relationships, jobs etc? What is the motivation?
sfmarklh 7 months ago
NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING THAT IS SAID IN THIS POST IS MENTIONED IN THE BOOK "ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS"
NOT A SINGLE PERSON THAT I KNOW CLAIMS THAT BILL WILSON WAS A "SAINT"
carol01ctt 7 months ago
The book Alcoholics Anonymous makes it absolutely clear that it is possible to recover and stay that way forever. This is such bollocks!
lynthepreacher 7 months ago
Whomever did this video either knows nothing about AA because he or she has never followed our program of recovery, or wants to lash out at a great program that really does work if you work it, because this person wants to do whatever he or she wants to do....namely still drink and/or drink and drug.........AA works and yes, we do have a disease that has to be attended to on a daily basis.
SteveFromNYC 7 months ago
@SteveFromNYC You might go and stay sober. You might not go and stay sober. You might even keep drinking and survive. However, in actual studies, if you don't cherrypick those who "really" wanted to go, going to AA has EXACTLY the rate of a personal commitment, plus you have to believe in an omnipotent force that won't stop the holy wars in Southwest Asia but will help you, personally, stop drinking, as well as submit to classically-recognized brainwashing techniques.
IoEstasCedonta 7 months ago
@IoEstasCedonta Hammers dad was a "war hero". Thats why I make friends. Fuckyou. Why not.
andreasheinz 7 months ago
@IoEstasCedonta I have to say that I appreciate that your comment appears thoughtful and that you believe what you are saying. As far as this "force" as you call it -- AA calls it a "power greater than yourself" -- it neither has to be ominipotent, nor able to stop wars. In fact, one can have any conception of a Higher Power they wish. The point is that since a person on his or her own cannot stop being destructive, one needs a power outside and above themselves in order to do so.
SteveFromNYC 7 months ago
My favs june 12th
friday - Stu Weiss (as ever)
saturday - Terry T( back from Barca)
sunday - Wolfman (oups)
andreasheinz 7 months ago
I have been going to AA on and off for over 25 years and the one fatal flaw that they make is that they dont read the Big Book. Bill Wilson had a great plan of living peacefully and fixing our karma. The Big Book has definitely helped me live a better way but in the meetings they preach sponsorship and the BB never even mentions the WORD sponsor. This puts your reliance on another fucked up human just like a religion. They also spew endless crap that is against the traditions. I have had enough.
bachhell 7 months ago
@bachhell Some do the reliance on another fucked up human just like a religion. Some dont read the BB, some say its ends at page 164. The 4th edition is full shit, thats it.
andreasheinz 7 months ago
I went to an Al-Anon meeting over 20 years ago. I went to a lunch that they held at a local restaurant on a subsequent occasion. I have never met as screwed up a group of people in my life.
ripley1423 7 months ago
You dont have to do anything..AA doesnt force you to do anything. wah wah wah get off the pity pot whiner. sounds like you havnt been gettin enough attention. sounds like nobody bowed down to worship you when you walked in the door. your like a grown up little kid haha
akbill2 8 months ago
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mdaskal2000 8 months ago
@mdaskal2000 i'll tell you this much - I just drank a bottle of white zinfandel and i feel goood!!!! for a change
akbill2 8 months ago
@akbill2 lol
mdaskal2000 8 months ago
@mdaskal2000 I look at what i wrote now and think - this is a comment from a very depressed person. only drank that one day and realize it wasnt smart but what can i say,once in a great while it seems to help although I wouldnt suggest anyone follow my example.its just too dangerous as the behaviour of someone who is an alcoholic is very unpredictable and god knows what might happen
akbill2 8 months ago
@akbill2 don't beat yourself up. guilt and shame is a AA/Religious tactic to subjucate and control people. the point of my rants is that i was not able to get control of my self-medicating until i got AWAY from the 12 steppers and began to use my brain, applying scientific/psycological techniques to the issue of compulsive behavior. that does not mean I'm perfect but at least i'm free. alcohol may not be healthy for your body...but AA KILLS the mind
mdaskal2000 8 months ago 7
@mdaskal2000 Excellent insight!!!
salahudeenabduladl 7 months ago
@mdaskal2000 good for you,but that's you,Who's to say it won't help someone else...You?
joeyd31215 5 months ago
@joeyd31215 but at what cost? turning my mind over to a group.....or giving all my power away to a group is no different than being drunk all the time. the AA mentality wants to look at everything in black/white instead of the many shades of gray. THAT being said...if it's a 'disease,' alcoholism should be treated by the medical profession. Not hand holding and praying. Thats asinine. God turns water into wine...or so I've heard....
mdaskal2000 5 months ago
@mdaskal2000 let go and let god dude
theothersituation 5 months ago
@theothersituation 'letting go and letting god,' implies powerlessness which is something i am totally opposed to. We have free will.
mdaskal2000 5 months ago 3