There are so many theories about this song. I always thought it was about how people used to talk about Debbie herself. The other theory is that it's about someone Femme Fatale style. I read different conjectures as to who that is, although if it is about anyone I don't think it applies to the people that have been mentioned.
Always loved this punk rock song (!), though I hated the lyrics. But after reading many of the comments, I now know they're either about a critic, or about herself, which makes a big difference.
I wish there existed an impeccable copy of the same vid, cos Deborah's really on FIRE (unlike many other times when she's just too high)!
Btw, I'll have to look up the name Brenda Starr. Heard it maybe once before but that's all.
@daypeshmodd I believe "Rip her to shreds" was written about a friend of hers called "Cherry Vanilla" who was involved with promoting David Bowie's music back then. Apparently Cherry was known to have a standing offer of a FREE BLOW JOB Manhatten D-J's who agreed to play Bowie's music ! Now thats what i call an INNIVATIVE PROMOTER! Ahhhhhh.... the wonderful 70's!! When people only went to jail because of Killing, Stealing, lying or Rapeing. What a great time it was!
@daypeshmodd Brenda Starr was a famous comic strip character that was in the Sunday news papers. She was a smart sexy investagative reporter for a news paper that Always cracked the BIG STORY! CBGB's was an ICONIC dirty, dingy little venue on Manhattan island New York. Located in the (then) Nasty run down end of town known as the Bowery district. Blondie, Ramones, Xray specs,Newyork Dolls etc all contributed to give birth to what was LATER to become known as PUNK ROCK playing at CBGB'S!
@boltonox I saw pics of Cherry Vanilla (looked slutty and vulgar), in connection to the NY music scene of the time. So then, the song has nothing to do w Brenda Starr?.
Thx for all the info mate! I have the feeling we've talked to each other before. I know your name is quite familiar to me. Cheers.
there actually was a girl specifically that this is about, she had a body like thoes girls who strip for photogs at Canne (sp) ...she got in the club underage (Maxes) which wasnt diff...........she was a groupie..and was once on David Johansens arm, but its amusing the description is exactly "her" to a T.....She was pure Coursican though......so..
This guy I met knows Amedeo and Simone Pace of Blonde RedHead, a band that named themselves after a song by the No Wave band DNA, in the late '70s in New York. NO Wave was an film & music scene, that is little known in the US, it is very influential in Italy, and France, and the youth there, appeciate artists more like me, I was born in Salonika, Greece, ...raised in the US...
I almost forgot just how beautiful and sexually exciting she was in her prime, on top of her incredible vocal talent and raw energy. Very few equals on this planet.
i was half joking with my comment but thanks for that history,great stuff.being from philly,didn't get up there much,although a friend took me to max's around 1982?really love the vid of debbie doing girl should know better.especially when she forgets a verse.her attitude was unequivacle,i guess after all,punk was about attitude.
if you guys want a correct example of what "punk" was all about,check out frank zappa's tune MUDD CLUB. "the folks down there's on auto-destruct and so can you be too."
@jackzapp57-The Mudd Club was Debbie Harry's main hang out. It was co-founded by one of her closest friends. It was an intense scene, much more downtown than Studio 54, but it wasn't all drugs and self-destruction. Well not all of it anyway. Auto-destruct is not a bad description, but it could apply equally to the other downtown hubs such as the Mercer, Club 82, Max's or CBGBs. A lot of nihilism in the air back then.
i agree with what you guys are saying,just not how youre saying it.you can whine about mcdonalds and fat kids till the cows come home,i got 2 words for ya..........blame MTV.todays TOP TALENT ??? is a direct result of the dumbing down of the youth of america. put that in your egg mcmuffin and smoke it,it'll really get you out there.
Oooh Boo you would sell out too, your prob just bitter living in your trailer in the boonies while she lives in her penthouse in New York City. She is a real fuckin Rock Star and very down to earth..How do you expect people to listen to your amazing groudbreaking music when you dont have a record deal? You gonna play nasty lil CBGBs for the rest of your life...Everybody wants to make it...dont be bitter. she has more talent than you could even comprehend and she did enough drugs to kill a horse
@RGpranin Punk revolved EXACTLY around people who were unable to play like prodigies. They were rebelling against the overindulgent technical musicianship taking over Rock radio.
@xreddragonx You mean like how Blondie & company jumped at the chance to be inducted into that overindulgent thing called the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Which is a filled with nothing but Sell Out bands. The Sex pistols said it best in 2006 to Jean Wenner who singly decides which bands get in and refused to attend calling it a "Piss Stain" But hey punk rocker Chris Stein sure jumped at the chance. I think radiohead's wrote the song "Anyone can play guitar" after seeing Chris Stein in concert.
@RGpranin-You mean with "sell out" bands like the Ramones, The Clash, Patti Smith, the Talking Heads, Elvis Costello, etc.? What the hell are you even talking about? If you find punk music that interesting then go read a book on the subject at least before blathering on and on. And the Sex Pistols were as commercial a band as it was possible to be. The amount of money they were able to take from record companies was a running joke within the group. Never heard of them refusing a check once.
@ihasch Oh don't even get me started on Patti Smith Yeah she's so punk "Good bye to You" or Talking Heads front man that charges $1 million for his songs to be used in a commercial. The only true punk bands are the ones that no one has heard of and shunned the fame. Are they cool or idiots for that discision? But To call all those bands that you named punk is like calling Madonna Rock & Roll. Any band thats says there not into making money is full of shit just look at what Napster did to them.
@RGpranin-No band that gets on stage shuns fame and recognition. And I never heard of any refusing to sign a record deal. That even includes all those No Wave bands. Your definition is a too severe because no one can satisfy it. If you want to define punk music as some sort of philosophical loser's creed, so be it. But the actually bands that participated in it had a vision in their heads and wanted to share it. The idea that the only "true" punk bands are ones no one has heard of is fanciful.
@RGpranin Haha, "Goodbye to you" was an entirely different woman, genius. She was Patty Smyth from the group Scandal. Anyone who enjoys pissing contests about who's the most "lyke, super underground and tR00 punx" is the one who doesn't get it. It wasn't even until knuckle-dragging wannabe hardasses starting invading the scene at the end of the first wave that this "anti-mainstream" bullshit became a punk ideology. There is nothing wrong with wanting to make money.
The earliest pioneers of punk did NOT embrace the pro-underground ideology. To this day they'll talk of how much suffering their lackluster sales caused them...and notice, most of those bands happened to be very short lived. 'Course this was when common sense still dictated that playing music professionally meant that you were aiming for exposure and a living. This later punk idealogy was unthinkable idiocy. The name of punk wouldn't have gotten out there if artists remained "unheard of".
I mean where you draw the line? There is a such thing as simply playing music as a hobby. Any "punk" act signed to any record label no matter how small, or who has earned a paycheck at a club can be more of a sell out than a hobby musician who avoids all that. It's stupid bullshit. And being a hobby musician of course isn't punk, it's being a hobby musician.
@RGpranin What the hell does the RnR Hall of Fame have to do with what I said? Only because you consider it self-indulgent? That's fine, but it doesn't relate to what I was commenting on. I was saying that when the band started off, they were tied into in a music scene that stood out for their lack of virtuosity in a time that it was a requirement from Rock musicians. And Chris Stein was FAR from even the worst of them, so why should he be singled out?
correct me if i'm wrong but i "think" this is from "so it goes" hosted by the late tony wilson co-founder/owner of manchesters famous "hacienda" nightclub
I wouldn't say upper middle class (see post below) - upper middle class folks don't sell pot to pay rent, and share a loft with 6 people.
I once heard that Debbie herself was in fact, the definition of punk. Doing a disco song in 1978 was about the most punk think they could have done, even if it was a joke.
Wow, find! They're playing live too, they sound a bit like The Doors on this. The single release was accompanied by a somewhat sexist print ad in the UK, a picture of Debbie with the caption 'Wouldn't you love to Rip Her to Shreds?' I wouldn't mess with this lady!
@xreddragonx Maybe so, but even if she had been upset with it, the record co. prob would've ran the ad anyway. That sort of stuff in the punk era was considered pretty poor form. She's a tough lady though certainly, she prob shrugged it off. Yeah, Blondie's punk credentials are without doubt. Shit, Chris Stein funded 'Wild Style', the seminal hip-hop movie. How much more punk could you have got back then?
Are you SURE this was their first TV appearance. When this was recorded, it was before Infante and Harrison joined, and Gary Valentine was part of the line up.
@cbak12sg Said to be first *British* appearance. Don't know about the States - it would be quite late for an overall 1st appearance, and there are promos that are earlier.
you could drag debbie harry through a hedge backwards and she'd still come out looking ultra cool.parallel lines turned them into a supergroup but for me this was them at there punkaliciously best.
Unlike the pop sluts that pollute the airwaves today that just follow the fashion trends Debbie always set the trends. She was so far ahead of her time they still haven't caught up with her.
catty not punk. east coast rude not social revolution. pampered and spoiled not deficient in living supplies. wasn't this for the lead to playboy channel? upper middle class not the class that has to steal comic books to read them.
@cshargeit-Weren't the English punk bands working class or better? John Lydon, among others, had a decent paying job when he joined the Sex Pistols, at least according to his own book. He didn't have to steal anything. Punk was music and attitude.
Now thats a fuckin Rockstar! Not the sanitised, commercialized, generic, wimpy suburban teenage, American Idol baby shite! Its a real WOMAN with real LIFE experiences to draw apon and create music from. Fuck off all teenage duche bag music and that poxy commercial rap crap. Punk Rock says; fuck the man!
@martinaloony Ha! Ha! Ha! cheers mate, i forgot about this one, i was on a bit of rant wasnt i? You dont realise until you see something like DH from Blondie how really tragic modren music is. You play this and you realise the music industry has been totally hijacked by the corporate record label bean counters who dont give a shit about good music because its so easy to keep marketing the same lame crap year after year to 13 yr-15 olds who dont know anything about music and dont care if its crap
@boltonox totaly agree, i dont give a fuck about all this PC correct shit, Debbie harry in the late 70's was the woman every boy man and grandad dreamed of...., she was the most beautifull woman ever. ..
@TheKevsta79 Political correctness is just MODERN COMMUNISM disquised in a dress. It was originally created by polititians to secure the female voting demagraphic after ww2 but has now been expanded to include almost every minororty voting group such as fags black, dyke mexican, Martian what eva! It didnt exist 40 years ago and now the whole western world is fucked up gender wise because of it! DEborah Harry is the role model all women should model themselves along!
@Moldova Well I'm not mad ALL the time, i just get pissed off with stuff like Political correctness being FORCED down my throat like Communist doctrine's and fake rip-off modern day (so called) music artists that have little REAL talent, can't perform without major technology doing most of the work and a whole team of engineers. In other words i don't like any Corporately owned manufactured performers who can't play instuments, read or write music and can't sing, which is 98% of them are today
@boltonox I agree, partially. The vast majority of music being released by major labels/music getting radio play is utter garbage, I agree with you. But two points need to be made: the vast majority of music being released on major labels in the 80s was garbage too. In fact, the blueprints for manufactured pop were really perfected in this era. Second of all, and most importantly, there is a lot of really great music out there today. It's just not being pushed on us...
@Moldova Ill use an analogy that i think will make a bit more sense.
McDonalds was around in the 70's and 80's and most kids ate it a couple of times a year on special occasions like Birthdays or the odd weekend out with the family. There were SOME chubby children around, but the word OBESITY was practically unheard of and i never saw any children except for 1 at any School i went to (14 or 15) who could even be remotely classified as obese. In the same way there was some crappy music .....con
@boltonox but not very much. I didnt like a lot of it, but it was still high in quality. The Record labels ONLY recorded working professionals who had usually been playing 6-7 night a week at clubs for years and were very experienced.Thats a very different proccess to today, where the few major Record labels left (5) create, control, dictate, manipulate, who, what ,when & how what ferformer will get their corporate backing TO be ABLE to record there music. The Market doesnt decide anymore...con
@boltonox They do and the market doesnt decide what to listen to, they do. But it APPEARS as if you've chosen it by giving you a very narrow field of choice, i.e red apples, green apples, gold apples or purple apples. To the uneducated this seems great, but to the eductated this offer is clearly a Marketing hustle designed to maximise profit while also minimising costs. As Henry Ford of FORD motors said in 1915 ' You can have any colour model T ford you like, as long as its black!
@boltonox Todays Record label are doing EXACTLEY the same as Henry Ford. You can have any music you like, as long as its Rap or Poptarts singers! And every know and then they'll bring out a Limited time item just like Mc Donalds do. Then it''ll be dumped from the menu. Its part of Marketing 101. Cheers
@boltonox ... thanks to indie labels (and self-releases), the amount of music available to hear right now in unparalleled. It's overwhelming. There is just so. much. music. A lot of it is really special, unique, and in some cases artistically unconventional and groundbreaking. There are also plenty of radio stations that are dedicated to this stuff. I totally get where you come from, but feel like I have to defend my generations (real) songwriters and get a word in. Anyway, thanks for the reply.
@boltonox - now dont hold back....tell us how you really feel! haha! i think ive watched maybe 20 minutes of American Idol since its inception. im american - but NONE of them are my 'idol', nor will those talented karoake players ever hold a candle to Debbie, Iggy Pop, Sully Erna, Ronnie Dio, etc - REAL american 'idols'.
@jas22 I agree! I know i got on a mad arse rant but it really pisses me off the way the whole music business has been Hi-Jacked by rich fat fucks in suites. Musicians have always played a vital role in Western Society's thinking and attitudes and reflected much of the feelings and frustrations of the typical person. It use to be a way for poor working class people with geniune talent to make a living and now they havnt even got THAT ANYMORE! Greedy Corporate pigs have stolen it completely.
@boltonox She was in the No Wave Art/punk scene in New York, in the '70s. She's a real artist. Deborah Harry in Amos Poe's film "Unmade Beds. Real interesting underground scene , that was very Weimar 20's German. The decay and implosion of capitalism, in blighted out New York City. When artists/intellectuals had a voice. Today . A pack of Philistines!
@boltonox She was in the No Wave Art/punk scene in New York, in the '70s. She's a real artist. Deborah Harry in Amos Poe's film "Unmade Beds. Real interesting underground scene , that was very Weimar 20's German. The decay and implosion of capitalism, in blighted out New York City. When artists/intellectuals had a voice. Today . A pack of Philistines!
@jeancocteau1 WOW thanks for that jeancocteau, i didnt know about the film "Unmade Beds" but i will check it out for sure now. I have a HUGE respect for Deborah Harry as both an Artist and a Woman. I think she is easily the most extrodinarily talented, unique female of the last 40 years. An incredible fusion blend of beauty, genuine sexuality, femininity, fun and vulnerability that shows through out all her work visually,musically, and vocally. How the hell she isnt MORE famous is a travisty.
@ammiella Liking a particular music won't MAKE you anything as far as im aware...and I never said that it does. ....but the reality still remains that the music one prefers to listen too , like many other indicators, can be used as a "GENERAL" barometer of intellectual intelligence. But as the saying goes...there is nothing more plentiful in the world than intelligent BUMS and intelligent EVIL men!
Im just curious, why did you write this comment to me?
@ammiella I was probably bored. Also people who call things 'crap' just because they don't like it. I mean, taste is subjective. And not really, what exactly does an 'intelligent' person listen to? I listen to everything. It doesn't really bother me.
Great stuff - really pivotal, looking back to Bowie's Suffragette City in some ways, and looking forward (as we now can see) to all the Courtney's and L-7's etc. in other ways.
Judging by Noel Harrison on bass and Frank Infante on that les paul, this seems to be in between Plastic Letters and Parallel Lines. Seems doubtful this is their first TV appearance. God, I do miss her. Unlike today's divas, she loved being weird and had a hip sense of humor.
@tubbytalisman You got it right man!! Your gonna see more from Blondie soon if I can help it. I'm from New Jersey like them, and I'll put it all together when I can. Watch here it comes!!!
amazing the difeence between early american punk with its surf rock,60's garage bands ,radio music influences compared to English punk.Was that Magazines Devoto in the first few seconds!?
Rumor has it that Blondie appeared on the television show Don Kirshner's Rock Concert back when Gary Valentine was still with the band. Never been able to verify that.
Its great music taken from Whats on a great grenada program,they guy in the audience was the presenter ,he went on to manage joy division. the sex pistols are working class boys Lydon comes from the andover estate
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This lot punk? Aw come on! The Pistols were the embodiment of whatever was punk, of it's own era, it's just an industry term now. These days sodding Green Day are described as punk!? Which shows how lame it all is now. Tony Wilson come back.
Yeah, Blondie is Real & Awesome! - Go Debbie!!! - - Sex Pistols (made one real record), Bow Wow Wow, & Adam & The Ants - all manufactured by Malcom Maclaren - they still made some cool Music despite that -
Anything other than these particular groups wouldn't be correctly labeled as punk because the term didn't exist during their time. You can call them pre-punk, proto-punk or inspirations/influences 2 punk groups but that doesn't make any of them definitively "punk". However you CAN definitively say "sex pistols" or "ramones" or early "blondie" is punk so let's focus on these groups as punk instead of arguing on bands who were or weren't punk before punk existed.
Actually I kinda agree with you on that and I had said before that SP were the backstreet boys of punk because they were completely manufactured, all of them had to audition for their part in the band and they couldn't even last long enough to make 2 studio albums. I would remove them from my comment as punk but it's too late.
the Sex Pistols themselves even said they weren't punk, the were garage rock with anarchist lyrics and had a mod style clothing, which is why they were miss categorized in their eyes, and Greenday will always will be Alt rock although they are rediculously poppy now but the are still alt rock
It's totally pointless to name drop all these bands from the 50's and 60's and say that they were the first punk groups. Of course every genre's that roots that can be debatably connected to it or not depending on how far back you go. Sure lou reed, bowie, the who, dolls all contributed to what led to punk but punk as we all know it today became associated with this small group of musicians who came out of the bowery in NY like Blondie, Ramones, Television, Talk heads, etc.
That version has no the best sound, something close to a rolling empty can...But Debbie looks like an entreneuse at the night club and that's ok to me. Babe wanna dry a bottle of champagne with me?
The Stooges were proto-punk, when "punk" was not a word to describe this kind of music yet so technically they're not really punk but certain inspiration for future punk bands like blondie and ramones. Husker Du didn't take part in the initial formation of punk, bands like Blondie, Ramones and television truly helped forge this sound and style which bands like Husker Du took advantage of to create their own brand of punk.
Punk was never really a style of music anyway but a way of getting involved in music that didn't involve going to Kansas and REO Speedwagon concerts
Proto-punk and such tags are redundant.
The 70s were so dire in terms of music and so conformist that a generation of musicians did it themselves: printed posters, promoted gigs, put up other bands and formed a like community.
My contention is that punk was an attitude not a style of music.
Punk was both a style of music and an attitude, they went hand in hand. If there was a band that was formed from 75-78 and had the punk look, chances are they were not producing stadium rock anthems or sensitive songwriter tunes, their music was definitely raw and aggressive so musically punk did exist but you are right that it was definitely an attitude, a social movement for youth.
don't forget that lester bangs was calling iggy 'punk' as early as 1970 - so the term had started to move over from 'prison homosexual' to 'noisy rock musician' when the stooges were around...
Ever read the book "Please Kill Me" The Oral History of Punk"? Great tome...it states that the term "punk" as we know it today was coined by Legs McNiel and the other writers of Punk magazine...
that was Legs trying to claim it. it was around before him though. and don't forget that Please Kill Me is about the stooges and the mc5 for the first few chapters. there is a clear history of the term 'punk' being used as a musical term as far back as 1970, that's all i'm saying.
You're completely wrong. bands like the stooges and MC5 weren't yet branded as punk, and neither were Ramones when they first recorded. That doesn't mean that they weren't playing punk rock as we know it It takes an ear for music to differentiate between styles, not a history book.
I never said the Stooges were "branded" as punk. I just wrote that they were proto-punk, meaning they were the seeds of punk and that's basically a "hindsight" perspective on the influence of the Stooges.
In my opinion you can call a spade, (or punk in this case) anything you like, but it will still be, and will always be a spade. Furthermore, you can call early variations of the spade proto-spade if you wish, but it still digs the same hole.
I call bands like the Stooges proto-punk not to say that they were labeled as such by the press but because punk bands like Ramones, Blondie and Television cited them as an influence when they were starting out. Same with Jonathan Richman and the New York Dolls. I don't agree with you that the Ramones were not labeled as punk when they started out, it's well documented that the term "punk" was heavily used to describe CBGB's bands, there's no dispute there at all.
I don't really followed the discussion, but perhaps he/she meant that there wasn't really an American Punk scene at the time the Ramones broke trough. Punk started in England, but had it's origins in America.
I think the American punk scene was there and preceded the British scene but like you said it became more commercialized and organized in England and it also became a movement there.
i guess that maybe i've got what you mean. Yes, the rythm, bare sound of guitars and lyrics have more to do with punk. Punk it's been musically a return to the roots of rock'n'roll...that's why.
I thought this was about a girl doing the shame walk for awhile.
TheMaskedHorror 4 weeks ago
no matter she's sooo hot in any quality
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Completely crazy! I like how she look at the cam so weirdly at 2:16
And this part is not bad too 1:44
Please check it ;)
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woodmanship 3 months ago 2
I heard this on bridesmaids haha :)
DearPaxton 3 months ago
There are so many theories about this song. I always thought it was about how people used to talk about Debbie herself. The other theory is that it's about someone Femme Fatale style. I read different conjectures as to who that is, although if it is about anyone I don't think it applies to the people that have been mentioned.
ihasch 4 months ago
PS: about Brenda Starr, I meant that I might have heard the name once, except in the song, of course.
daypeshmodd 5 months ago
Always loved this punk rock song (!), though I hated the lyrics. But after reading many of the comments, I now know they're either about a critic, or about herself, which makes a big difference.
I wish there existed an impeccable copy of the same vid, cos Deborah's really on FIRE (unlike many other times when she's just too high)!
Btw, I'll have to look up the name Brenda Starr. Heard it maybe once before but that's all.
Can someone tell me what CBGB is? Is it a club?
daypeshmodd 5 months ago
@daypeshmodd I believe "Rip her to shreds" was written about a friend of hers called "Cherry Vanilla" who was involved with promoting David Bowie's music back then. Apparently Cherry was known to have a standing offer of a FREE BLOW JOB Manhatten D-J's who agreed to play Bowie's music ! Now thats what i call an INNIVATIVE PROMOTER! Ahhhhhh.... the wonderful 70's!! When people only went to jail because of Killing, Stealing, lying or Rapeing. What a great time it was!
boltonox 4 months ago
@daypeshmodd Brenda Starr was a famous comic strip character that was in the Sunday news papers. She was a smart sexy investagative reporter for a news paper that Always cracked the BIG STORY! CBGB's was an ICONIC dirty, dingy little venue on Manhattan island New York. Located in the (then) Nasty run down end of town known as the Bowery district. Blondie, Ramones, Xray specs,Newyork Dolls etc all contributed to give birth to what was LATER to become known as PUNK ROCK playing at CBGB'S!
boltonox 4 months ago
@boltonox I saw pics of Cherry Vanilla (looked slutty and vulgar), in connection to the NY music scene of the time. So then, the song has nothing to do w Brenda Starr?.
Thx for all the info mate! I have the feeling we've talked to each other before. I know your name is quite familiar to me. Cheers.
daypeshmodd 4 months ago
there actually was a girl specifically that this is about, she had a body like thoes girls who strip for photogs at Canne (sp) ...she got in the club underage (Maxes) which wasnt diff...........she was a groupie..and was once on David Johansens arm, but its amusing the description is exactly "her" to a T.....She was pure Coursican though......so..
udohood 5 months ago
I could listen to Blondie anyday
WeaponX1986 6 months ago
the ultimate catfight song
love it
21centuryjedi 6 months ago
Thanks for putting this up !!
peezed1 6 months ago
you do not know the lengths i went through to find this!
tartarcreamxx 6 months ago in playlist Blondie
This guy I met knows Amedeo and Simone Pace of Blonde RedHead, a band that named themselves after a song by the No Wave band DNA, in the late '70s in New York. NO Wave was an film & music scene, that is little known in the US, it is very influential in Italy, and France, and the youth there, appeciate artists more like me, I was born in Salonika, Greece, ...raised in the US...
jeancocteau1 7 months ago 2
What a magnificant BEAUTIFUL face!
boltonox 7 months ago
ya now all we got now is mily sirus and ga ga she ain,t no lady
mattcrow6 7 months ago
Blondie was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2006.
211bill 8 months ago
I'd have loved this if the damn thing didn't pause for 'buffering' every 5 seconds! What's up with that?
Damaged? It's bleeding unwatchable!!
budgienation 8 months ago
Since day one they kick asses... Debbie Harry was, is and will always rip us to shreds! Lovely!
BlondiEmilio 9 months ago
I almost forgot just how beautiful and sexually exciting she was in her prime, on top of her incredible vocal talent and raw energy. Very few equals on this planet.
1955RodHot 9 months ago
love the howard devoto shot at 0.00
siarung 10 months ago
@siarung
Well spotted. love it
zansarra 9 months ago
i was half joking with my comment but thanks for that history,great stuff.being from philly,didn't get up there much,although a friend took me to max's around 1982?really love the vid of debbie doing girl should know better.especially when she forgets a verse.her attitude was unequivacle,i guess after all,punk was about attitude.
jackzapp57 10 months ago
if you guys want a correct example of what "punk" was all about,check out frank zappa's tune MUDD CLUB. "the folks down there's on auto-destruct and so can you be too."
jackzapp57 10 months ago
@jackzapp57-The Mudd Club was Debbie Harry's main hang out. It was co-founded by one of her closest friends. It was an intense scene, much more downtown than Studio 54, but it wasn't all drugs and self-destruction. Well not all of it anyway. Auto-destruct is not a bad description, but it could apply equally to the other downtown hubs such as the Mercer, Club 82, Max's or CBGBs. A lot of nihilism in the air back then.
ihasch 10 months ago
i agree with what you guys are saying,just not how youre saying it.you can whine about mcdonalds and fat kids till the cows come home,i got 2 words for ya..........blame MTV.todays TOP TALENT ??? is a direct result of the dumbing down of the youth of america. put that in your egg mcmuffin and smoke it,it'll really get you out there.
jackzapp57 10 months ago
Oooh Boo you would sell out too, your prob just bitter living in your trailer in the boonies while she lives in her penthouse in New York City. She is a real fuckin Rock Star and very down to earth..How do you expect people to listen to your amazing groudbreaking music when you dont have a record deal? You gonna play nasty lil CBGBs for the rest of your life...Everybody wants to make it...dont be bitter. she has more talent than you could even comprehend and she did enough drugs to kill a horse
xdragonflyx85 11 months ago
@RGpranin Punk revolved EXACTLY around people who were unable to play like prodigies. They were rebelling against the overindulgent technical musicianship taking over Rock radio.
xreddragonx 1 year ago
@xreddragonx You mean like how Blondie & company jumped at the chance to be inducted into that overindulgent thing called the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Which is a filled with nothing but Sell Out bands. The Sex pistols said it best in 2006 to Jean Wenner who singly decides which bands get in and refused to attend calling it a "Piss Stain" But hey punk rocker Chris Stein sure jumped at the chance. I think radiohead's wrote the song "Anyone can play guitar" after seeing Chris Stein in concert.
RGpranin 1 year ago
@RGpranin-You mean with "sell out" bands like the Ramones, The Clash, Patti Smith, the Talking Heads, Elvis Costello, etc.? What the hell are you even talking about? If you find punk music that interesting then go read a book on the subject at least before blathering on and on. And the Sex Pistols were as commercial a band as it was possible to be. The amount of money they were able to take from record companies was a running joke within the group. Never heard of them refusing a check once.
ihasch 1 year ago
@ihasch Oh don't even get me started on Patti Smith Yeah she's so punk "Good bye to You" or Talking Heads front man that charges $1 million for his songs to be used in a commercial. The only true punk bands are the ones that no one has heard of and shunned the fame. Are they cool or idiots for that discision? But To call all those bands that you named punk is like calling Madonna Rock & Roll. Any band thats says there not into making money is full of shit just look at what Napster did to them.
RGpranin 1 year ago
@RGpranin-No band that gets on stage shuns fame and recognition. And I never heard of any refusing to sign a record deal. That even includes all those No Wave bands. Your definition is a too severe because no one can satisfy it. If you want to define punk music as some sort of philosophical loser's creed, so be it. But the actually bands that participated in it had a vision in their heads and wanted to share it. The idea that the only "true" punk bands are ones no one has heard of is fanciful.
ihasch 1 year ago 2
@RGpranin - 'Goodbye To You' is Patty Smyth - different person altogether.
Timmybear 1 year ago
@RGpranin Haha, "Goodbye to you" was an entirely different woman, genius. She was Patty Smyth from the group Scandal. Anyone who enjoys pissing contests about who's the most "lyke, super underground and tR00 punx" is the one who doesn't get it. It wasn't even until knuckle-dragging wannabe hardasses starting invading the scene at the end of the first wave that this "anti-mainstream" bullshit became a punk ideology. There is nothing wrong with wanting to make money.
xreddragonx 10 months ago
The earliest pioneers of punk did NOT embrace the pro-underground ideology. To this day they'll talk of how much suffering their lackluster sales caused them...and notice, most of those bands happened to be very short lived. 'Course this was when common sense still dictated that playing music professionally meant that you were aiming for exposure and a living. This later punk idealogy was unthinkable idiocy. The name of punk wouldn't have gotten out there if artists remained "unheard of".
xreddragonx 10 months ago
I mean where you draw the line? There is a such thing as simply playing music as a hobby. Any "punk" act signed to any record label no matter how small, or who has earned a paycheck at a club can be more of a sell out than a hobby musician who avoids all that. It's stupid bullshit. And being a hobby musician of course isn't punk, it's being a hobby musician.
xreddragonx 10 months ago
@RGpranin What the hell does the RnR Hall of Fame have to do with what I said? Only because you consider it self-indulgent? That's fine, but it doesn't relate to what I was commenting on. I was saying that when the band started off, they were tied into in a music scene that stood out for their lack of virtuosity in a time that it was a requirement from Rock musicians. And Chris Stein was FAR from even the worst of them, so why should he be singled out?
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ihasch 1 year ago 4
@ihasch Adreed!
scumgod13 11 months ago
correct me if i'm wrong but i "think" this is from "so it goes" hosted by the late tony wilson co-founder/owner of manchesters famous "hacienda" nightclub
kansasinnovember 1 year ago
i still cant stand people that think BLONDIE is just Debbie Harry. BLONDIE IS THE NAME OF A BAND, and a bloody great band.
this song picks up a lot of influence from the Velvet Underground, Debbie pulls a Lou Reed job at the end.
MagicFreddie 1 year ago
I wouldn't say upper middle class (see post below) - upper middle class folks don't sell pot to pay rent, and share a loft with 6 people.
I once heard that Debbie herself was in fact, the definition of punk. Doing a disco song in 1978 was about the most punk think they could have done, even if it was a joke.
Great video, thanks for posting!
TiggerCoaster 1 year ago
Wow, find! They're playing live too, they sound a bit like The Doors on this. The single release was accompanied by a somewhat sexist print ad in the UK, a picture of Debbie with the caption 'Wouldn't you love to Rip Her to Shreds?' I wouldn't mess with this lady!
richievegas01 1 year ago
@richievegas01 That's not really "sexist". It's just a tad vulgar maybe, but I doubt Debbie would have been bothered by it.
xreddragonx 1 year ago
@xreddragonx Maybe so, but even if she had been upset with it, the record co. prob would've ran the ad anyway. That sort of stuff in the punk era was considered pretty poor form. She's a tough lady though certainly, she prob shrugged it off. Yeah, Blondie's punk credentials are without doubt. Shit, Chris Stein funded 'Wild Style', the seminal hip-hop movie. How much more punk could you have got back then?
richievegas01 1 year ago
I've seen Blondie live!! ah she is so cool <3
mariaaa96 1 year ago
For me Blondie are the best Band from the 70s and I fancy Debbie so much that i cant stop thinking about her
superemposed 1 year ago 2
Are you SURE this was their first TV appearance. When this was recorded, it was before Infante and Harrison joined, and Gary Valentine was part of the line up.
cbak12sg 1 year ago
@cbak12sg Said to be first *British* appearance. Don't know about the States - it would be quite late for an overall 1st appearance, and there are promos that are earlier.
sambda 1 year ago
@sambda Thanks. I have since found a clip of X Offender which includes Gary Valentine, but it must have been from the USA.
cbak12sg 1 year ago
God love you for having this rare copy... poor quality or not, YOU did GREAT!! I thank you for posting!!
thesethingz 1 year ago
you could drag debbie harry through a hedge backwards and she'd still come out looking ultra cool.parallel lines turned them into a supergroup but for me this was them at there punkaliciously best.
kansasinnovember 1 year ago
Unlike the pop sluts that pollute the airwaves today that just follow the fashion trends Debbie always set the trends. She was so far ahead of her time they still haven't caught up with her.
dsfddsgh 1 year ago 11
Her voice is awesome!
catolog96 1 year ago
She's so doll !
komodo132 1 year ago
i know this song from Mean Girls :P
xRedheadgirl 1 year ago
Queen of Cool!
geojorge1369 1 year ago
Great period !
Downbythewater73 1 year ago
catty not punk. east coast rude not social revolution. pampered and spoiled not deficient in living supplies. wasn't this for the lead to playboy channel? upper middle class not the class that has to steal comic books to read them.
cshargeit 1 year ago
@cshargeit-Weren't the English punk bands working class or better? John Lydon, among others, had a decent paying job when he joined the Sex Pistols, at least according to his own book. He didn't have to steal anything. Punk was music and attitude.
ihasch 1 year ago 4
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xreddragonx 1 year ago
bloooooooondie!!! ufff muy buena esa cancion para bailar como locos!
luzmlorenlond25 1 year ago
I love Blondie.
And this video is really great,
Thumbs up!!!!!!
Friendly greetings,
Michael
michaelplaying 1 year ago
Now thats a fuckin Rockstar! Not the sanitised, commercialized, generic, wimpy suburban teenage, American Idol baby shite! Its a real WOMAN with real LIFE experiences to draw apon and create music from. Fuck off all teenage duche bag music and that poxy commercial rap crap. Punk Rock says; fuck the man!
boltonox 1 year ago 41
@boltonox Totally agree!
martinaloony 1 year ago
@martinaloony Ha! Ha! Ha! cheers mate, i forgot about this one, i was on a bit of rant wasnt i? You dont realise until you see something like DH from Blondie how really tragic modren music is. You play this and you realise the music industry has been totally hijacked by the corporate record label bean counters who dont give a shit about good music because its so easy to keep marketing the same lame crap year after year to 13 yr-15 olds who dont know anything about music and dont care if its crap
boltonox 1 year ago
@boltonox totaly agree, i dont give a fuck about all this PC correct shit, Debbie harry in the late 70's was the woman every boy man and grandad dreamed of...., she was the most beautifull woman ever. ..
TheKevsta79 1 year ago 3
@TheKevsta79 Political correctness is just MODERN COMMUNISM disquised in a dress. It was originally created by polititians to secure the female voting demagraphic after ww2 but has now been expanded to include almost every minororty voting group such as fags black, dyke mexican, Martian what eva! It didnt exist 40 years ago and now the whole western world is fucked up gender wise because of it! DEborah Harry is the role model all women should model themselves along!
boltonox 1 year ago
@TheKevsta79 - Not EVERY boy, man and granddad. While I liked Debbie as a persona and an icon, I dreamed of Clem Burke. :)
Timmybear 1 year ago
@boltonox You got it right!!!
Topaz1156 1 year ago
@boltonox Why you so mad though?
Moldova 11 months ago
@Moldova Well I'm not mad ALL the time, i just get pissed off with stuff like Political correctness being FORCED down my throat like Communist doctrine's and fake rip-off modern day (so called) music artists that have little REAL talent, can't perform without major technology doing most of the work and a whole team of engineers. In other words i don't like any Corporately owned manufactured performers who can't play instuments, read or write music and can't sing, which is 98% of them are today
boltonox 11 months ago
@boltonox I agree, partially. The vast majority of music being released by major labels/music getting radio play is utter garbage, I agree with you. But two points need to be made: the vast majority of music being released on major labels in the 80s was garbage too. In fact, the blueprints for manufactured pop were really perfected in this era. Second of all, and most importantly, there is a lot of really great music out there today. It's just not being pushed on us...
Moldova 11 months ago
@Moldova Ill use an analogy that i think will make a bit more sense.
McDonalds was around in the 70's and 80's and most kids ate it a couple of times a year on special occasions like Birthdays or the odd weekend out with the family. There were SOME chubby children around, but the word OBESITY was practically unheard of and i never saw any children except for 1 at any School i went to (14 or 15) who could even be remotely classified as obese. In the same way there was some crappy music .....con
boltonox 10 months ago
@boltonox but not very much. I didnt like a lot of it, but it was still high in quality. The Record labels ONLY recorded working professionals who had usually been playing 6-7 night a week at clubs for years and were very experienced.Thats a very different proccess to today, where the few major Record labels left (5) create, control, dictate, manipulate, who, what ,when & how what ferformer will get their corporate backing TO be ABLE to record there music. The Market doesnt decide anymore...con
boltonox 10 months ago
@boltonox They do and the market doesnt decide what to listen to, they do. But it APPEARS as if you've chosen it by giving you a very narrow field of choice, i.e red apples, green apples, gold apples or purple apples. To the uneducated this seems great, but to the eductated this offer is clearly a Marketing hustle designed to maximise profit while also minimising costs. As Henry Ford of FORD motors said in 1915 ' You can have any colour model T ford you like, as long as its black!
boltonox 10 months ago
@boltonox Todays Record label are doing EXACTLEY the same as Henry Ford. You can have any music you like, as long as its Rap or Poptarts singers! And every know and then they'll bring out a Limited time item just like Mc Donalds do. Then it''ll be dumped from the menu. Its part of Marketing 101. Cheers
boltonox 10 months ago
@boltonox ... thanks to indie labels (and self-releases), the amount of music available to hear right now in unparalleled. It's overwhelming. There is just so. much. music. A lot of it is really special, unique, and in some cases artistically unconventional and groundbreaking. There are also plenty of radio stations that are dedicated to this stuff. I totally get where you come from, but feel like I have to defend my generations (real) songwriters and get a word in. Anyway, thanks for the reply.
Moldova 11 months ago
@boltonox - now dont hold back....tell us how you really feel! haha! i think ive watched maybe 20 minutes of American Idol since its inception. im american - but NONE of them are my 'idol', nor will those talented karoake players ever hold a candle to Debbie, Iggy Pop, Sully Erna, Ronnie Dio, etc - REAL american 'idols'.
jas22 9 months ago
@jas22 I agree! I know i got on a mad arse rant but it really pisses me off the way the whole music business has been Hi-Jacked by rich fat fucks in suites. Musicians have always played a vital role in Western Society's thinking and attitudes and reflected much of the feelings and frustrations of the typical person. It use to be a way for poor working class people with geniune talent to make a living and now they havnt even got THAT ANYMORE! Greedy Corporate pigs have stolen it completely.
boltonox 9 months ago
@boltonox She was in the No Wave Art/punk scene in New York, in the '70s. She's a real artist. Deborah Harry in Amos Poe's film "Unmade Beds. Real interesting underground scene , that was very Weimar 20's German. The decay and implosion of capitalism, in blighted out New York City. When artists/intellectuals had a voice. Today . A pack of Philistines!
jeancocteau1 7 months ago
@boltonox She was in the No Wave Art/punk scene in New York, in the '70s. She's a real artist. Deborah Harry in Amos Poe's film "Unmade Beds. Real interesting underground scene , that was very Weimar 20's German. The decay and implosion of capitalism, in blighted out New York City. When artists/intellectuals had a voice. Today . A pack of Philistines!
jeancocteau1 7 months ago
@jeancocteau1 WOW thanks for that jeancocteau, i didnt know about the film "Unmade Beds" but i will check it out for sure now. I have a HUGE respect for Deborah Harry as both an Artist and a Woman. I think she is easily the most extrodinarily talented, unique female of the last 40 years. An incredible fusion blend of beauty, genuine sexuality, femininity, fun and vulnerability that shows through out all her work visually,musically, and vocally. How the hell she isnt MORE famous is a travisty.
boltonox 7 months ago
@boltonox Hippstterrr. Liking a certain type of music doesn't make you intelligent or superior.
ammiella 6 months ago
@ammiella Liking a particular music won't MAKE you anything as far as im aware...and I never said that it does. ....but the reality still remains that the music one prefers to listen too , like many other indicators, can be used as a "GENERAL" barometer of intellectual intelligence. But as the saying goes...there is nothing more plentiful in the world than intelligent BUMS and intelligent EVIL men!
Im just curious, why did you write this comment to me?
boltonox 6 months ago
@ammiella I was probably bored. Also people who call things 'crap' just because they don't like it. I mean, taste is subjective. And not really, what exactly does an 'intelligent' person listen to? I listen to everything. It doesn't really bother me.
ammiella 6 months ago
@boltonox More tea, vicar?
whitbyjet65 4 months ago
@whitbyjet65 Two lumps with creaaaam thank you!
boltonox 4 months ago
beyond cool! xxx
skoopism 1 year ago
Great stuff - really pivotal, looking back to Bowie's Suffragette City in some ways, and looking forward (as we now can see) to all the Courtney's and L-7's etc. in other ways.
swanstep 1 year ago
It's great to see Tony Wilson blush at the sight of DH there!!!
xoffender74 1 year ago
eww ..
junksmasher 1 year ago
@junksmasher eww? u r such a lame-ass
Punxsiejett 1 year ago 3
@darknesstakingover Yeaa, people still listen to punk..like me xD
RockRokker 1 year ago
brings back ace memories. 77. saw them support televison in Glsagow-blew television off the stage-electric!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
mijymotor 1 year ago
Judging by Noel Harrison on bass and Frank Infante on that les paul, this seems to be in between Plastic Letters and Parallel Lines. Seems doubtful this is their first TV appearance. God, I do miss her. Unlike today's divas, she loved being weird and had a hip sense of humor.
tubbytalisman 1 year ago
@tubbytalisman You got it right man!! Your gonna see more from Blondie soon if I can help it. I'm from New Jersey like them, and I'll put it all together when I can. Watch here it comes!!!
Topaz1156 1 year ago
Filmed in Manchester UK for the late great Tony Wilson's TV prog called So It Goes.
ianmcnamara62 1 year ago
@ianmcnamara62 This isn't "So It Goes", it's "Granada Reports".
sambda 1 year ago
Wonderful early punk flavoured song!
norrisonthespot 1 year ago
where was this filmed???
moby406 1 year ago
song that always seemed a homage to Lou and the Velevets to me
gao1258 1 year ago
amazing the difeence between early american punk with its surf rock,60's garage bands ,radio music influences compared to English punk.Was that Magazines Devoto in the first few seconds!?
lovesGenet 1 year ago
Rumor has it that Blondie appeared on the television show Don Kirshner's Rock Concert back when Gary Valentine was still with the band. Never been able to verify that.
ihasch 1 year ago
Ooo, oo--watch my impression of this on my channel. I know I don't compare, but...oh, well :)
MissMissyDeniseDenis 2 years ago
Adorable :P
ThePipersNicks 2 years ago 3
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greatvoicewebsite 2 years ago
Blondie ROCKS!
katieholmesnot 2 years ago 40
Oh Alright! Ya did
louiseduvee 2 years ago
hot!
thenintendogamer 2 years ago
RIP THEM ALL..the hateful Rightwing hypocrit police haters mafia!
onelove for the real people on this bowl..
SiouxSyndicate 2 years ago
Its great music taken from Whats on a great grenada program,they guy in the audience was the presenter ,he went on to manage joy division. the sex pistols are working class boys Lydon comes from the andover estate
Leggsy 2 years ago
I think that one guy in the audience wanted to slip a fiver into Debby's garter.
ysbaddaden2003 2 years ago
so much better than the studio version
Traductus5972 2 years ago 4
Clash,Pistols weren't they fronted by public school boys trying to act rough dear boy?
fletcherman1 2 years ago
one was the other wasn't
zoreb 2 years ago
I never said I didn't like Blondie, I have all their stuff...dud.
louisorleans 2 years ago
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This lot punk? Aw come on! The Pistols were the embodiment of whatever was punk, of it's own era, it's just an industry term now. These days sodding Green Day are described as punk!? Which shows how lame it all is now. Tony Wilson come back.
louisorleans 2 years ago
Your lame..dude
kbhits 2 years ago 2
Bollocks mate.
louisorleans 2 years ago
Yeah, Blondie is Real & Awesome! - Go Debbie!!! - - Sex Pistols (made one real record), Bow Wow Wow, & Adam & The Ants - all manufactured by Malcom Maclaren - they still made some cool Music despite that -
sirdoug3 2 years ago 2
Continuation of previous post:
Anything other than these particular groups wouldn't be correctly labeled as punk because the term didn't exist during their time. You can call them pre-punk, proto-punk or inspirations/influences 2 punk groups but that doesn't make any of them definitively "punk". However you CAN definitively say "sex pistols" or "ramones" or early "blondie" is punk so let's focus on these groups as punk instead of arguing on bands who were or weren't punk before punk existed.
doetim 2 years ago
Sex Pistols are punk? PLEASE! They were the Monkeys of Punk at best! Blondie were punk because they were REAL, not manufactured by M. Maclaren.
quornholio 2 years ago 7
Actually I kinda agree with you on that and I had said before that SP were the backstreet boys of punk because they were completely manufactured, all of them had to audition for their part in the band and they couldn't even last long enough to make 2 studio albums. I would remove them from my comment as punk but it's too late.
doetim 2 years ago
the Sex Pistols themselves even said they weren't punk, the were garage rock with anarchist lyrics and had a mod style clothing, which is why they were miss categorized in their eyes, and Greenday will always will be Alt rock although they are rediculously poppy now but the are still alt rock
Traductus5972 2 years ago 2
It's totally pointless to name drop all these bands from the 50's and 60's and say that they were the first punk groups. Of course every genre's that roots that can be debatably connected to it or not depending on how far back you go. Sure lou reed, bowie, the who, dolls all contributed to what led to punk but punk as we all know it today became associated with this small group of musicians who came out of the bowery in NY like Blondie, Ramones, Television, Talk heads, etc.
doetim 2 years ago 2
i wish my black stiletto boots were thigh-highs!
723cielo 2 years ago
The boots...the boots!
LoveTruth86 2 years ago
That version has no the best sound, something close to a rolling empty can...But Debbie looks like an entreneuse at the night club and that's ok to me. Babe wanna dry a bottle of champagne with me?
yepheth 2 years ago
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I love Blondie, but i hate punk
dannyditer 2 years ago
Every little nuance in her delivery here just slays me.
illoominate 2 years ago 3
I love this song. :D
iwantpresents 2 years ago 2
i love this song
ruymxsx7 2 years ago 3
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theEAJ5 2 years ago
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theEAJ5 2 years ago
hells yeah punk lives forever blondie!!!!!!
gbop14 2 years ago
one of the best bands of all time, no?
firestartertwistedfi 2 years ago 9
si si si
indetroit442 2 years ago
no apologies, this one is great!
lordjoaopaulo 2 years ago 2
The Punk Story:
1- The Ramones 1974
2- Blondie 1975
3- The Sex Pistols 1976
4- The Clash 1977
unsimplefan 2 years ago 2
The (REAL) Punk Story:
1- The Stooges
2- The Ramones
3- Husker Du
4- Beat Happening
lol
sleakitweasel 2 years ago
The Stooges were proto-punk, when "punk" was not a word to describe this kind of music yet so technically they're not really punk but certain inspiration for future punk bands like blondie and ramones. Husker Du didn't take part in the initial formation of punk, bands like Blondie, Ramones and television truly helped forge this sound and style which bands like Husker Du took advantage of to create their own brand of punk.
guyinsf 2 years ago
Punk was never really a style of music anyway but a way of getting involved in music that didn't involve going to Kansas and REO Speedwagon concerts
Proto-punk and such tags are redundant.
The 70s were so dire in terms of music and so conformist that a generation of musicians did it themselves: printed posters, promoted gigs, put up other bands and formed a like community.
My contention is that punk was an attitude not a style of music.
sleakitweasel 2 years ago 3
Punk was both a style of music and an attitude, they went hand in hand. If there was a band that was formed from 75-78 and had the punk look, chances are they were not producing stadium rock anthems or sensitive songwriter tunes, their music was definitely raw and aggressive so musically punk did exist but you are right that it was definitely an attitude, a social movement for youth.
guyinsf 2 years ago
don't forget that lester bangs was calling iggy 'punk' as early as 1970 - so the term had started to move over from 'prison homosexual' to 'noisy rock musician' when the stooges were around...
mistersnaredrum 2 years ago 2
Ever read the book "Please Kill Me" The Oral History of Punk"? Great tome...it states that the term "punk" as we know it today was coined by Legs McNiel and the other writers of Punk magazine...
~hippie
GreekGiraffe 2 years ago 2
that was Legs trying to claim it. it was around before him though. and don't forget that Please Kill Me is about the stooges and the mc5 for the first few chapters. there is a clear history of the term 'punk' being used as a musical term as far back as 1970, that's all i'm saying.
mistersnaredrum 2 years ago
You're completely wrong. bands like the stooges and MC5 weren't yet branded as punk, and neither were Ramones when they first recorded. That doesn't mean that they weren't playing punk rock as we know it It takes an ear for music to differentiate between styles, not a history book.
habanaman 2 years ago 2
habanaman,
I never said the Stooges were "branded" as punk. I just wrote that they were proto-punk, meaning they were the seeds of punk and that's basically a "hindsight" perspective on the influence of the Stooges.
guyinsf 2 years ago 3
I getcha, but you may misunderstand me.
In my opinion you can call a spade, (or punk in this case) anything you like, but it will still be, and will always be a spade. Furthermore, you can call early variations of the spade proto-spade if you wish, but it still digs the same hole.
habanaman 2 years ago
I call bands like the Stooges proto-punk not to say that they were labeled as such by the press but because punk bands like Ramones, Blondie and Television cited them as an influence when they were starting out. Same with Jonathan Richman and the New York Dolls. I don't agree with you that the Ramones were not labeled as punk when they started out, it's well documented that the term "punk" was heavily used to describe CBGB's bands, there's no dispute there at all.
guyinsf 2 years ago 3
I don't really followed the discussion, but perhaps he/she meant that there wasn't really an American Punk scene at the time the Ramones broke trough. Punk started in England, but had it's origins in America.
Reint25 2 years ago
Very good point Reint25!
I think the American punk scene was there and preceded the British scene but like you said it became more commercialized and organized in England and it also became a movement there.
guyinsf 2 years ago 3
Punk started in England?lol yeah and Robert Johnson was an international phenomenon,the word punk goes all the way back to (?) and the mysterians
IggyStooge100 2 years ago
Listen to My Generation by The Who and tell me that was not the first punk song?
sirmattblack 2 years ago
Louie Louie by the kingsmen is older
Traductus5972 2 years ago
I would not class Louie Louie as punk - although The Clash did a pink version but then again Motorhead did a heavy metal version
sirmattblack 2 years ago
It was not. Try listening to The Stooges and MC-5. Those were the first punk songs. Your like completely off buddy.
windrix1 2 years ago
windrix1 - I am like completely off?
The Who - My Generation was released in the UK in 1965 and USA in 1966.
MC-5 debut album was in 1969.
The Stooges debut album was in 1969.
You do the math (buddy).
sirmattblack 2 years ago
any Kinks song is way more punk than any who song
jimmypageforprez 2 years ago
All Day and All Night may be a contender, not sure which was written/released first?
sirmattblack 2 years ago
i guess that maybe i've got what you mean. Yes, the rythm, bare sound of guitars and lyrics have more to do with punk. Punk it's been musically a return to the roots of rock'n'roll...that's why.
yepheth 2 years ago
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The ACTUAL Punk Story:
1- 3rd Eye Blind
2- Blink 182
3- Simple Plan
4- Good Charlotte
Punk's Not Dead!!
salabalabingbong 2 years ago
are you having a fuckin laugh mate hahahaa
NancyGorman 2 years ago 2
Oh puhleeze
Those are snoozers.
ysbaddaden2003 2 years ago 2
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habanaman 2 years ago
Some may argue punk was created by the Velvet Underground, or even as far back as the recording of "Louie Louie"
Punk is truly just a type of attitude that screams "fuck you"
It's been around since people have been rebelling
~hippie
GreekGiraffe 2 years ago 3
it's the additude of Rock and Roll and that's what Punk is Rock and Roll
Traductus5972 2 years ago
deborah harry te amo!!!
maczote 2 years ago
The most beautiful woman EVER! Oh and great singer too :-)
SpideyCat1 2 years ago 2