The evolutionists nightmare - 2nd law of Thermodynamics

[St00sh13]

The big bang theory says no such thing, It says we came from a singularity, not nothing. It also says nothing about what happened before that, other than to say it is likely that there was no such thing as "before" as it looks like time itself came into existence from the singularity.

The idea that some intelligent being created it is merely an un-proved hypothesis. There are many hypothesis about the moment of creation. It is up to those who state the hypothesis to prove their hypothesis.

[gedankenwelten]

Major fail at 2:28 . The law does not say that things can't temporarily/locally become organised again, It just must be offset somewhere/sometime else in the system.

The second law of thermodynamics is about entropy, yes. But entropy is NOT the same as "state of organisation" . More entropy does NOT necessarily mean less organisation.

I recommend getting a real knowledge about thermodynamics before trying to use it in a wanna be scientific way against evolution.

[Strathmore1985]

This guy has at best basic understanding of science. Just because we dont know 100% for sure what happened before singularity doesnt make your mythical sky daddy any less fake. This is a quite overused apologist argument. Try harder please.

[l337pwnage]

/watch?v=q42pKB7Cpww

[Verruckter]

Entropy is a measure of the number of possible configurations a system. The more possible configurations, the higher the entropy. On the other hand, the less possible configurations, the lower the entropy, or the higher the or

[terrymorse]

A messy bedroom is NOT an example of The Second Law in action, nor is a vegetable garden left untended. Setting fire to a bedroom is an example of The Second Law in action. A burning bedroom turns to ash, but a torched bedroom almost never turns back to an unburned room. THAT's the Second Law.

Darn theists should stick with what they know.

[gregrutz]

If the 2nd law worked like creationists say life would not be possible.

[stiimuli]

the kind of disinformation and bad science this guy is teaching should be illegal.

[stiimuli]

wait I thought bananas were the evolutionists nightmare O_o

[ArcanaKnight]

This seems like it may be an example of Poe's law, or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part. I know there must be some out there who still believe this, but I still find it a bit surprising whenever I come across someone who promotes such classically flawed arguments like this, especially considering how easy the internet makes finding out the facts that the argument only works in a closed system, and the earth isn't a closed system.

[markgg1]

This must be a joke....

[patrickledford420]

hey asshole did you know that if what your saying is true (it is NOT) that you could not clean your room without violating the 2nd law and we have energy from the sun which means we are NOT a closed system ex: the sun loses energy. we gain energy. simple logic

[masala505]

Another religious idiot - he doesn't understand what he's talking about! Sounds like he's lecturing to kids - shame!

[LeaningTowardsPisa]

Nothing happened before the big bang. Because the word "before" implies time. The big bang created space and therefore time. So without time, there is no "before".

[whisper012]

Seems pretty straight forward to me.. entropy applies to an isolated system.. our universe is an isolated system.. therefore entropy applies to all things within it, btw.. he's not even talking about evolution.. so stop gawking on about it not disproving it.. it's not even the primary topic, he's talking about the universe.

[keggerous]

dont even argue with this fuckign retards....have u ever yelled at a dog for getting in the garbage? did it ever change the dog? thought not.... these ppl are so fucking stupid they think there smart. its rediculous to even try to teach them. let the retards die. dont breed with them, and hopefully in the future, life will be without morons.

[benthemiester]

cont..Space shuttles would have been seen as supernatural 5 hundred years ago but not anymore because we have a better understanding of the natural world. The same principle applies here.

[benthemiester]

Thanks for posting this video, This a hard thing for people to wrap there minds around but we now know that space and time are connected and one cannot exist with out the other. I believe a primary causation is a valid argument for the existence of a material world that is much more logical than the singularity axiom were nothing produced everything and time has some kind of magical property.

[majorvoltage]

This guy sounds like the woman in the video "homeopathy with Dr. Werner". Babbling nonsense about physics concepts they don't have a clue about.

Psuedoscientists love physics because they get to use big words and allude to concepts that many people have heard of but don't understand well enough to call them out when they misrepresent it.

Alt. mediciners love relativity, creationists love the second law of thermodynamics, and neither understand neither.

[rkil007]

Your reasoning is flawed. Energy IS lost even though there is evolution and abiogenesis. It's called the sun - it puts out far more energy than the life of a thousand earths combined.

[jltjdraketown]

you very good at explaining science. but entropy measures more harm than good.

anything can be a system. and it would effect eveything in that system eventually. If there is more harm than good, it is evil. and you know all stars will burn out and not shine eventually. you can continue to believe that entropy happens only in a small system in your dream but it is much more than that. It effects the whole universe not just an engine. you can see it happening all the time

[jltjdraketown]

If it wasn't for entropy harmful things would not happen

[jltjdraketown]

the increase of entropy in an enclosed space is not the issue. the issue is stop being blind and look around you and see the entropy that we already have-look and see the tendency toward disorder. people get sick and die. stars and suns die. cars rust away. accidents and destruction always occur. all things would evolve into something worse not something better. evolution is totally false.

[thisis3d]

you are confusing entropy with everyday occurrences probably because kent hovind said it. people get sick because of bacteria and viruses, not because the amount of available energy in the system is being spread out. starts die because they run out of hydrogen and helium to burn. its based on a chemical reaction just like cars rusting. accidents is too general to answer but it boils down to our inability to see the future, not the amount of available energy in the system being spread out.

[keggerous]

@jltjdraketown no ur just a total fucking moron.....or ur so stubborn that ur retarded ass wouldnt admitt being a moron if ur life depended on it.

[jltjdraketown]

@keggerous Is that nice? I did go to 3rd grade! (just joking) since I am retarded, I assume that you have fallen for evolution hook, line, and sinker, and you will blindly follow atheistic science to the end. did you know that it takes more faith to be an athiest than it does to follow a religion? all you have are theories to try and fill in the holes. Look around you, You see that everything is designed and has its own blueprint. and all of it is affected by entropy.

[keggerous]

blah blah blah blah ur an idiot..... there was a time when i actually tried to talk sense into u fucktards but those days are over. RETARD!

[jltjdraketown]

@keggerous  ok, who hurt you? you are very wounded. Please tell me your story.

[thisis3d]

evolution is not a closed system. entropy doesn't apply when talking about genetics.

[jltjdraketown]

are you denying that entropy exists outside of your laboratory? How do you explain all of the entropy in the universe. And how could you evolve into something better? that would take a lot of faith to believe.

[thisis3d]

what laboratory, entropy doesn't apply to genetic information its that simple, living organisms aren't a closed system. we eat, we take in energy. evolution is about changing genetic information overtime, its that simple.

[toloverufan2]

this refutes evolution how?...........

[stopsharkfinning]

let's just make it up as we go along shall we?

[mrstone56]

Hahahahahaha. Hahahahaha. Oh wow.

Okay, so I'm not even going to get into how wrong you are. But if you believe in a god you're breaking the first law of thermodynamics. Energy can not be created or destroyed. Yet god created everything? Keyword: created.

You fail.

[WillSKB88]

Wow this is poor. And no the 2nd law doesn't contradict evolution because it's a different way of something working.

[nebulajr]

What a dummy

[sweatytoothmadman]

This reeks of Hovind.

[farvision]

Totally ignorant guy. Why would he show his dirty laundry and low intelligence in public? He has ruined his cause. Theists lie. It takes an atheist to tell truth.

[Superphilipp]

Does this guy truly belive that thermodynamics = housekeeping?

[ltflermy]

You gripe about "everything" coming from "nothing", and how silly that is. That is what Creationists are saying. The Big Bang states that everything came from everything, but it started with a singularity. There is a LOT of evidence and science. Man up and read it. Ignorance is no excuse. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

[ltflermy]

For crying out loud, how many times are these guys going to completely misunderstand and misrepresent the 2LoT. I'm so fucking sick of this. Why won't these people take some responsibility for their own ignorance of knowledge and quit acting as if their ignorance is everyone else's. What a fucking nitwit, this guy is.

[n33v33]

The 2nd law of thermodynamics specifically applies to isolated systems. That is, systems that do not exchange matter or energy with the surroundings. He gives the human body and a bed which gathers dust as examples of i-s-o-l-a-t-e-d systems? It might be that the conclusion he reaches is only as good as the hypothesis. BUT the subtle examples of isolated systems seem to have reached the women the audience (and also some guys).

Bodies...bed...isolated...big bang...

Subliminally effective indeed!

[Rissoleking]

Cosmopologically (1:50), this is terrible nonsense. Is this staying up as a joke?

[ttllysrschristian]

I seriously thought this was a satire at first.

[burchdc]

The 2nd law of thermodynamics only applies to a system in equilibrium. There are plenty of examples we can directly observe that seemingly "go against" this law, such as reverse-osmosis. Look it up.

[farvision]

burchdc, no, the equation form ds greater equal dq over t applies anywhere. That doesn't help this ignorant guy of course.

[TheFallibleFiend]

The 2nd law does not disprove evolution. The speaker has a comic book understanding of the 2nd law.

[worrierofgod4ever]

really? Ok, you do it better mate. show us.

[TheFallibleFiend]

Already done:

watch?v=93pbJXJOmCU

watch?v=c7ma_7XM4FU

[Celephaith]

You certainly aren't the first creationist to bring this up; I first heard of this refuted argument more than 20 years ago. It didn't work back then, so what made you think it would work now? That's how ridiculous this is; the first morons who came up with this were wrong, so any current morons bringing it up as if it's a valid argument are doubly so. To paraphrase Albert Einstein, "The definition of insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting different results." Psycho.

[gregrutz]

@worrierofgod4ever It has to do with the 'closed system' . IF you lock youself in your room for 100 years you will turn to mush. Closed system, you in your room.

IF from the age 2 to 10 you take in food, open system or includes the sun, then you grow. You get your energy from the sun and the sun get 'more random', gives up heat.

Creationists don't understand that it depends on what you define as the 'closed system'. They say the universe is a closed system without understanding it.

[gregrutz]

@worrierofgod4ever lock yourself into a room you will turn to mush and become disorganized, closed system. The second law only applies to a closed system . [whatever you define as 'the system'']

But from the age of 2 -12 you ate food and grew and became more organized, an open system. Life is an open system. It gets it's energy to become organized from an outside source.

If you include the sun in the system then yes the energy goes down hill for the system but life and evolution go on.

[Atriviality]

Creationists that use this argument don't understand thermodynamics, and can only ever use this argument with other people who don't understand thermodynamics because anyone that does understand thermodynamics, even at a rudimentary level, will realize the creationist doesn't know what they're talking about.

[LittleTruckingBozo]

I love when creationist use the 2nd law of Thermodynamics. It show they no nothing of science. And makes me feel vary smart.

[psykadelisktomte]

and at the same time makes them look like idiots.

[mordinvan]

Even in a closed system making one portion of the system ordered could occur at the cost of decreasing the available useful energy present elsewhere in the system. Evolution does not violate this law, we are getting energy all the time from volcanoes, thermal vents in the ocean, decaying radioactive isotopes in the core, and THE SUN!

So long as the energy keeps coming there's really no limit to how ordered we can make matter.

Who ever posted this ignorant garbage fails.

[BigAtheist]

I'm guessing you never toke a thermodynamics course or even an advanced level physics or astronomy for that matter. no need letting knowledge get in the way of faith. Its amazing how one of you creationist make a claim about the universe without having a clue what it means and because it sounds scientific, every one of you eagerly parrot it back to a world as if it was some great insight you had. If you aren't going to take the time to learn the science, using it will only make you look dumber.

[worrierofgod4ever]

no you don't understand. That is the law mate.

That disproves evolution.

[gregrutz]

@worrierofgod4ever Yes, if you lock yourself in a room you will turn to mush. a closed system.

If you eat food you get energy from the sun, an open system.

Get it now?

[its42duh]

@worrierofgod4ever This law applies to a closed system. The earth is not a closed system. Read it more thoroughly and you'll understand the dishonest propaganda that drives this misrepresented nonsense. It does not, in any way, disprove evolution.

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated macroscopic system never decreases, or, equivalently, that perpetual motion machines are impossible.

Notice the word "isolated".

[R18111983]

@worrierofgod4ever 1. The speaker makes the assumption that the universe is a closed system. On what data does he base this assumption? String theory predicts parallel universes and extra dimensions and we don't even understand what 99% of our universe is made out. We call it dark matter and dark energy, but we don't exactly understand what it is.

So, how can he make this claim that the universe is a closed system?

[R18111983]

@R18111983 Correction: [...] made out of. [...]

[R18111983]

@worrierofgod4ever 2. Assuming the universe actually is a closed system, how does that affect the possibility of evolution on our planet?

The universe can be degenerating as a whole, but that doesn't affect the frame of reference that we have to look at to determine whether evolution is possible or not. The frame of reference is our planet. And our planet is definetely NOT a closed system!

All matter on this planet is acted upon by an outside source of energy, the sun.

[R18111983]

@worrierofgod4ever Therefore, the second law of thermodynamics is not violated by evolution.

[Danmill23]

This idiot does not understand thermodynamics.

And what this has to do with atheists?