Wendy Miller from Australian Youth Climate Coalition (AYCC) addresses Climate Rally in Melbourne

[takvera]

@gensoholicar abuse will not be tolerated

[SirTorment]

@takvera you're taking away his free spirit.

[gensoholicar]

you dont have a free spirit , your a drone

[SirTorment]

@gensoholicar don't listen her, she's taking away your free spirit/

[littlejohnnyhoward]

To refer back to one of your previous comments, namely: "all indications are that warming is accelerating".

There are no such indications. Sure, the temperature may be rising slightly (0.7 degrees Celsius is the new anomaly for this month), but to automatically attribute this to human activities is wrong.

For instance, this sudden temperature rise recently is attributable to the perfectly normal phenomenon of El Nino, of which we are experiencing the warmest since 1998.

[littlejohnnyhoward]

Many, many times is animal extinction mistaken for climate change. In some cases it is natural, but in most cases, unfortunately today, it is man-made. However, this is not climate change that causes it.

Proof? I will provide.

Although I have to find specific and reliable data relating to koalas, I can provide a few of many examples where climate change has been wrong blamed on extinction/harm to animals.

[fotoshawt]

Look your information before you post anything. Instead of taking these politician's word as truth look where they are comming from.

MY TURN!!!

I have information for you, look up Timothy Ball under google. Find out what he does, what education he has and any project hes worked on. My statement on behalf of this "scientist" is that global warming/climate change has entirely nothing to do with humanity.

Have fun!

[takvera]

I have been reading scientific research papers, including IPCC reports on climate change since 2004. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that global warming has been substantially caused by human industrial activities.

You may continue to deny this science, but have fun reading the thousands of scientific papers that have come to this conclusion.

[fotoshawt]

I looked on this site. Did you know that this agency was created based on models created by Henry Kissinger? Did you know Henry Kissinger is wanted in Cambodia for war crimes?

And your saying 500 billion? Thats 500 000 000 000 dollars. Are you serious? Were in you government's budget do they put this extremely large sum of money? I believe this stametment is false, wheres your facts, where does the money come from, where does this money go, what data is this based on?

[takvera]

$500billion is the cost for every year of delay. The message is simple and stark: if the world continues on the basis of today's energy and climate policies, the consequences of climate change will be severe." Tanaka said.

To achieve this energy revolution, incremental investment of USD 10 trillion will be necessary between 2010 and 2030 in the energy sector - equivalent to 0.5% of global GDP in 2020, rising to 1.1% of GDP in 2030.

[takvera]

The biggest challenge will be to ensure there is funding to back this energy transformation, with substantial support for developing countries, said Mr. Tanaka. In 2020, the energy sector in non OECD countries would need to make USD 200 billion of extra investments in clean power.." .etc. "Developing countries will need some financial support from OECD countries."

IEA Press releases (09)12 - 6 oct 2009

[fotoshawt]

You lead yourself to believe this hoax? There is no proof that 500billion is the cost of every year of delay.

Question for you: if you recieved 1000 billion, would you a)give it to under developped nations to redevelop, or b)to stop climate change?

I am curious to what you would do.

[takvera]

I do believe Hilary Clinton is set to commit to the US establishing with other industrialised nations a development fund for climate adaption for poor countries with funding rising to $100 billion per year by 2020. Public and private funding.

[fotoshawt]

500 billion in costs? What do these costs pay for?

You have to keep in mind that 500 billion is a VERY large some of money. My opinion? Show me which organization or at least one organization that receives some part of this expense....were talking about 500 000 000 000 dollars here.

Lol im on the IEA site right now! Did you know that it was founded by Henry Kissinger? Wft, they say electricity is responsible for 40% of the worlds CO2 emissions, HAHAHAH, they never heard of the ocean have they?

[takvera]

Climate change is already wreaking havoc on developing nations with more frequent and more intense weather events, changes in rainfall, longer droughts.

Rising sea levels will wipe out some island nations and flood coastal farmland and infrastructure. Developed nations have the resources to adapt, developing nations don't.

The oceans soak up about 50% of emissions but are becoming more acidic which will lead to extensive die-off of coral reefs and marine biodiversity.

Thats the science.

[fotoshawt]

I agree there are problems on the planet, but CO2 isnt one of them!

I would rather pay an earth tax than a CO2 tax.

I hope your fear continues to dwell in you...

It seems that its the only thing that drives people nowadays.

[fotoshawt]

Ecosystem colapes??

Fools!!! Climategate! climategate! Climategate! CLIMATEGATE!!!!

They want to apply taxes on everyone. Wake up now or always pay taxes till you DIE.

(this is no joke. Take me seriously for your own good.)

Carbon is one of the building blocks of LIFE. So is OXYGEN, HYDROGEN, or even uranium or iron!

We cant declare a new war on CO2. Its a hoax. I dont believe all this. Stop it NOW!

lol, you will regret not looking into the knowledge I came accross.

Look into it!

[takvera]

@fotoshawt Unfortunately if we don't manage the risk now the cost will be far greater not only in money and taxes but also in lives and biodiversity.

[fotoshawt]

So your fear of climate change justifies to let underdevelopped countries to continue starving and dying? Africa NEEDS power to develop. Biodiversity? I hope to god your not talking about polar bears! And dont start talking about the rain forest, those animals become extinct because of deforestation, not CO2.

That cost will be paid by you and your grandchildren. If CO2 becomes the fear of nations, you will be responsible for every breath you make till you die.

Dont we all love taxes!!!

[takvera]

According to Ahmed Djoghlaf, head of the Convention on Biological Diversity "For each degree centigrade of warmer temperature, it is predicted that 10 percent of all known species will disappear," Djoghlaf told Reuters. (Dec 16, 2009)

"We continue to lose biodiversity at unprecedented rates and this has been seriously compounded by climate change but also by land use, urbanization," and other factors, Djoghlaf said.

My children and grandchildren are already paying the price for your denial.

[fotoshawt]

For each degree? soooo in 10 degrees all of the world species will die?

This claim is absolutely false unfortunately.

For you information, Ahmed Djoghlaf is the Executive Secretary of the Convention. He was formerly the Assistant Executive Director of UNEP and Director of the Division of the Global Environment Facility Coordination. He studied at, inter alia, the University of Nancy, France (PhD in political sciences). Wheres is his biology degree? Google his name, lol!

[takvera]

With what is on the table at Copenhagen we are looking at a 3.9 degree rise in temperature above pre-industrial levels. With that degree of climate change we will probably cause to go extinct about 40% of creatures.

I would hate to even think of the extinction percentage at 10 degrees of warming, but would probably be in excess of 90%.

[fotoshawt]

What if it goes down in temperature?

[takvera]

I wish you were right, but all indications are that warming is accelerating. 2009 was the fifth hottest year on record globally, the third hottest year for Australia. The last decade was the hottest decade on record.

[fotoshawt]

All indications? From which source?

Just checked a recent Russian Times interview, looks like theres been manipulation in russian climate data too.

Look it up....climategate.

I know youve been following global warming for a few years now, but i strongly suggest to look into it.

I dont think you checked out Timothy Ball did you?

[takvera]

From Datasets maintained by 1. Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 2. NOAA under the US Department of Commerce, and 3. the Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) operated by NASA as reported by the WMO.

Statement on Australia via WMO which sources data from Australian Bureau of Meteorology. See Trend maps - Australian Climate Variability and Change, Climate Data Online, and special climate statements.

[takvera]

What if you are wrong and global warming is substantially caused by human activity and is accelerating?

I know from my subjective experience there are more frequent heatwaves, more frequent and intense bushfires, fruit and crops are ripening over a month ahead of normal schedule. The hydrological cycle is heating up providing more intense storms and flash floods, while (where I live) total average rainfall is decreasing.

[takvera]

CO2 increases plant growth but there is a proportional reduction in nutritional yield. This is impacting human crops, but will also lead to species extinction through malnutrition and starvation. The Koala is one such animal facing such a scenario. Ref: IUCN report - Species and Climate Change, Dec 14, 2009

[fotoshawt]

Im on the IUCN internet site. Their members consist of, 80 states, 112 government agencies, 720 National NGOs, 30 Affiliates and 90 nations NGOs, where the hell is their panel of climatologists? Where is their team of Biologists? If you look where they work, they dont even have ONE team of NGOs in Australia, that claim this "official" report of the IUCN.

I can call out anything you throw at me because climate change IS NOT caused by humans. Deforestation is whole new ball game.

[takvera]

The IUCN report on the Koala was based on original research by Professor Ian Hume, Challis Professor of Biology at Sydney University and Chair of the Wildlife Research Institute, and his students, and was presented at the Australian Academy of Science in May 2008. Press release on University of Sydney website 9 May 2008.

[takvera]

Professor Ian Hume said 'If there is a significant rise in CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, which we're already seeing, that's going to push the ratio of nutrients to anti-nutrients even lower by increasing the concentration of these carbon-based anti-nutrients....

'I'm sure we'll see koalas disappearing from their current range even though we don't see any change in tree species or structure of the forests.'

[takvera]

According to the International Energy Agency, every year beyond 2010 that we delay a major assault on global warming, we add another $500 billion/year in costs.