Your "movement" is dead. Objects did not make or refine what you are. That's baseless, irrational and illogical.
Your "best" and "brightest" lost every debate until he "got wise" and stopped accepting debates.
You don't know what you're dealing with. Every function, working part and mechanism always has a maker that's equal to or greater than whatever function is ordered.
You don't have a clue of what you are talking about. The simple function of hydrogen in life forms proves we have a Maker.
In Brasil there is a stupid or evil man who claims to be jesus and goes by Inri Cristo, as it´s writen in the mitological statue of a torturated man who supousbly is a damigod in catolic churchs. This man almost everyone calls him as crazy. But a few crazyest don´t and follow him as you might expect of crazy people! 300 hundred years from now people will say that jesus has resuracted, and only a few good ones has follow him, and it´s historical, only becuse have passed 300 years and it´s old!
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"This is what I believe." Yeah, you believe it, and I'm going to say why it's dumb." I can't believe I didn't think of that line. The epicness made me feel funny downstairs.
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@kokofan50 Okay so then Maher should be saying this: I think religion is destructive when it turns to radicalism and when people misunderstand it. Or when people us religion as a means for violence, or hatred, or intolerance. Stuff like that.
Can you kinda see where I am getting at? His statement is very broad...
@KeusFrench The problem is that religion causes intolerance. "I am the one true god and you shall have no gods before me." the kinds of statments make it hard to be tolerant. At the very least you are saying everyone elses god is fales; at worsest you can being saying they are false and evil along with those people who worship them. If you take in acount the number of people who are memmbers of an Abrahamic religion thats arounf hafl the planet that suports intolerance do to religin.
@kokofan50 Yeah but that's the thing. Just because I have no god's before my God (Christian one), that does not mean I am not 'tolerant' of them. If someone wishes to believe in Allah, or Shiva, or Bramen, or whatever god they choose, that is their choice. And I will be tolerant of their choice, though I don't necessarily agree.
Now, that being said, there ARE hostile and evil gods. I just haven't done enough research into that subject.. :S
@KeusFrench Just so you know allah is your god by another title. Also did you read what I said and how it is intolerant. Don't just make statments how you can be some thing and not be something else at the same time: say why that is otherwise you are lieing because you gave no suport. Fomr what I know there are no evil gods. Many gods are dark and comlex.
@kokofan50 The Muslim god and the Christian god are not the same.
And I don't think you know what the word means...
Intolerant: "not tolerating or respecting beliefs, opinions, usages, manners, etc., different from one's own, as in political or religious matters; bigoted".
See here - I respect other people's beliefs, like I mentioned before.
@philessexuk There is no mention of Allah in the Christian Bible and therefore reading it would be pointless if I was trying to prove your statement true.
@KeusFrench ERM you do know Allah is the Arabic word for God don't you? perhaps you also didn't know that each translation of the word god isn't god they are all different. did you go to school by any chance?
@philessexuk Thank you, but yes I knew that. Still there is no mention of "allah" in the Christian Bible. Allah of Islam and God of Christianity - they are different.
@KeusFrench are you truly that dense, do you even know the origin of chrisitanity ? do you know the origin of islam ? try look up the torah its the jewish bible and that shows you how they are the same god becuase both christianity and islam came from jeudaism. explain why muslims revere jesus?? and again allah is mentioned in the bible, its just mentioned as following: God, he, him, the almighty, jehovah, yahweh or YHWH. look it all up because you are clearly ignorant to it all. God bless
@philessexuk The God's are NOT the same because the faith's are not the same. How can one promote 'this' when the other promotes 'that', if they both appeal to the same "God"?
@KeusFrench lol i'm sorry but do you know how many denominations of Christianity there are ? they all don't have the same beliefs and yet they are all called Christianity as a whole. Islam also has denominations but its is called Islam still, there origin is all the same though which is why they are called Abrahamic faiths. please do not reply unless you have any logic.
@philessexuk Okay so you agreeing with me, thank you. Cause I said the faiths are different, which they are. And BTW, certain sects of "Christians" probably won't go to Heaven. You have to have a belief in the core concepts of the Bible and Jesus.
@KeusFrench You do know that Jeuse is held as one of the prophet along with the old testiment prophets in Islam and are almost as important as the Prophet Mohammed inspreading the word of Allah? "Not tolerating or respecting beliefs," that's just what you religion does by saying all other gods are false making it intolerant and you by suport of that religion.
@kokofan50 I would disagree with your statement just a bit. I don't think religion causes intolerance...people are still the problem. The issue is that religion provides an empowering language through which any ignorant person can justify any bigotry or prejudice that they already feel. Whether that be due to willful ignorance or pure lack of education, people are still the problem.
@kokofan50 exactly...so why categorize all religious people in one group? Some religious people do bad things, others do good things. We can oppose people like Bin Laden without claiming that the whole concept of religion is destructive.
@SilvaFilm Ya but the bad out weights the good. If all religious people got along there would be no issue. That is why it is necessary to get rid of all religions. Its not going to happen overnight, nor will it happen in my lifetime, but it will happen. I just hope we come into contact with a friendly alien race soon...then religion would be gone way faster.
And yes people, your religions are fucking ridiculous. They don't deserve to be respected anymore than my belief that magical gnomes wipe my ass after I shit.
I admit, you've got a tiny bit more evidence than me, but that's only because I havn't written a book about it yet.
@Zentz29 actually a book that has been in the hands of hundreds of different people, each with their own agenda, for thousands of years doesn't count as evidence.
@Zentz29 You write it, I'll be your first believer. I've always wanted to be a prophet too, so with your blessing I would like to spread your nonsense as far as i possibly can before the gnomes run out of toilet paper. Wait, is the roll a magical never-ending one? I hope so, or I'm going to break off and start my own ass wiping gnome cult, because fuck you and your blasphemy.
@humdrumfeast My brother, I give you these words of wisdom: As long as you believe in nonsense, ALL things are possible. The roll can be both neverending, & finite through the wisdom of the ass wipers. For the ass wipers are beyond comprehension!
Trust in the ass wiping gnomes and ye shall never wipe thee own ass again.
@varone6t9 Hes whats called an agnostic which is the same as saying I think there might be a God but I highly doubt it or its an alien or something like that
As a member of the small minority of rationalists he mentioned, I would say that the main reason we don't speak up is that we don't want to be butchered by the "believers", whatever form they may be.
i don't think people should denounce supernatural believes. Organized religion has done more harm than good, but thats the thing, they're organiztions that feed off of peoples fears and weaknesses. However, having a personal belief that there may be something greater out there is sometimes a good thing to have. The natives believed everything and everyone was connected and that was wonderful. There has to be a balance is all I'm saying.
You are not a biggot and compare the catholic church to the KKK...Perhaps maher need to be more objective: I remember sister restituta was a catholic nun murdered by the nazis for refusing to put down a catholic icon in a hospital...I thought Hitler was a catholic, so was himmler...
Wisdom,like most things,evolves gradually.And right now,we are gaining a lot of knowledge very fast.And look around:more and more people are turning to the scientific method, becoming agnostic,or atheist(which is a belief too by the way).At the same time religion is like a fish out of the water.It tries to fight all this new knowledge and becomes more absurd every day.People pick up on that and drop religion even more. I'm not worried. Bye religion, you had a good run, but you're just silly now.
I can't stand someone who insults people's beliefs in something. Whoever's right and whoever's wrong, I respect people that commit themselves to a set of values they believe in.
@smoyer60 Yeah because someone who's Catholic and goes to church is the same as a Jihadist strapping a bomb to a six year old. Be honest, did you really expect me to at all agree with what you implied?
People always criticize Atheists for wanting evidence of everything. Fair enough, BUT since we do like evidence, that kinda shows you there hasn't been any. watch ''SUPERMAN DRACULA & JESUS GO TO SIZZLER"
I agree with Bill Maher when it comes to religion and rationality, all religions, including the Jewish,the catholic religion and Christian religions are cuckoo,but i find it strange that he mentioned Hamas ,a freedom fighter group,which are a Muslim Arab group in Palestine,why would this be important on CNN,it seems to me that CNN are sending out subliminal messages that targets Catholics Muslims Christians as irrational, while keeping Jewish theology out of public eye,
Don't kid yourself; the various muslim wingnuts are just as batshit crazy as the various jewish or christian wingnuts, it's just that they don't have as much overt power in the US. If you watch "Religulous", he talks to a number of wacky jews, and skewers them quite well.
@StaceyC123 i am not disagreeing with you,but it seems that news corporations are impartial to the truth where politics are involved,they will keep something objective,but partial,i don't like that,thats why we have so many terrorists in the world,terrorism is born out of injustice,or where there is a biased perspective,the news corporations (corporations) have been filling Americans with bull shit,to suit the needs of rich old men.
science can be magic if you want, that's what it would seem like to a person unacquainted with our "systems"..the average person only understands things on a superficial level. Don't pretend to know science...to me and you it's all fucking magic. The computer? Little magnets that go on and off...:P
@StaceyC123 .........The idea that we Evolved and are capable of intelligence, logic and reasoning without being created and all BY CHANCE is simply fucking RETARDED.
So, IF Evolution did occur, it would LITTERALLY be a miracle, ant thus MORE evidence for the existance of God.
Except that the science PROVES that that's exactly what happened; now, if your cult had anything more than 1000th-hand ghost stories written by ignorant nomads, and a book of fairy tales that has been edited and re-written ad nauseum, you migth have something worth looking at. Until you do, you're doing nothing more than wishful thinking.
@StaceyC123 Aw.... poor little fool. Science DOES NOT prove evolution. Evolution is soooo conflicting, even amongst evolutionist themselves. And that "pseudo-scientific guesstimation" you wanna laugh at, it was calculated by Scientists. Like i said, the is Scientific information for the existance of God in that video, but you choose to ignore it. Evidence such as The Origin of the Universe, The Fine Tuning of the Initial conditions, the objective moral arguement, and more. Idiot. ;)
Origin of the universe - "I dunno, so it must be magic"
"fine tuning" - no such thing
"objective moral argument" - again, no such thing
And yes, unless your imaginary "god" was deliberately trying to convince us all of its non-existence, why on earth would we share our entire genetic lineage with every other lifeform on this planet, halfwit? The major difference between us and our next closest primate relatives is a mutation joining their chromosomes #2 and #13, fool.
@StaceyC123 ha.... hahah..... HAHAHAHAH!!!! Thats not what i meant by Origin of the Universe. and No such thing as Fine Tuning? or Objective Moral Value? REALLY???? EVEN THOUGH ITS SCIENTIFICALLY PROOVEN????
You are a bottom-less pit of stupidity. Seriously. Actually WATCH the video and TRY to understand whats being said. I know it has big words, but just try, ok? I have faith in you.
Which particular creationist cess-pit of stupidity do you mean? Surely not that moron Craig? There IS no such thing as "fine-tuning", you clown, because we happen to live in a tiny part of an overwhelmingly hostile universe. If there's any sort of objective morality, it certainly doesn't have anything to do with your bronze-age superstition, which justifies everything from slavery and human sacrifice, to rape and murder, asswipe.
@StaceyC123 That 'moron' Craig? You mean the professional philosipher and Theologin? Im sorry, i didnt kno you where smarter then him! You are such a retard! Do you not have ANY self esteem? You seem to like making a fool of yourself! first of all, There is such a thing as Fine Tuning, and second, its been proven that without God, there would be no Objective moral values or duties. Even richard Dawkins contradicts himself on this matter!
Yes, that moron Craig (the same one who said, if he was presented with absolute proof that his imaginary "god" didn't exist, would STILL believe in it, just because he "knows in his heart" that it exists; this is the epitome of wishful thinking). You haven't DEMONSTRATED either "fine tuning" OR "objective moral values" assclown, so you're still just engaging in wishful thinking.
@StaceyC123 lol! YOUR talking about wishful thinking??? I showed you Scientific Evidence, Philisofic Evidence, and Theologic Evidence that God exists, AND I explained ALL the so called "Contradictions" that the other fool presented ealier regarding the Bible, yet you STILL believe God doesnt exist! THATS the epitome of wishful thinking! Im surprized you know how to even use the internet considering how full-blown STUPID you are!!!
You still haven't shown ANY evidence, halfwit, you've simply said "I can't explain these things, so the real answer must be a magical man in the sky"; can you explain to me how that differs at all from saying "I can't find my keys so pixies must have hidden them from me"? It is an argument from absolute ignorance, and the fact that you pinheads swallow it up like it was candy shows that you haven't moved past the thinking of shamans and medicine men.
Science doesn't have "it must be a magic man in the sky" as an ANSWER, shithead, and none of the retarded creationists in your clips understand that any more than you do. When pinheads like you were looking for an explanation for lighting, the only "explanation" they could come up with was "there must be a magic man in the sky throwing lightning down at earth", and that's what your cult and others preached, until it became obvious that you're full of shit.
@StaceyC123 Wow. Your useless. You must think energy is magic. you must think Gravity is magic. You must think heat is magic. You must think the laws of physics is Magic. You must think cosmology is Magic. Cause that what science and philosophy in the videos use to determine the evidence for the existance of God.
Its clear that you didnt take the time to see the videos, or read the Bible, or anything. You are ignorant and an idiot and nobody is to take you seriously.
Not at all fool; I'll remind you that YOU'RE the one that "explains" things by saying "I dunno, so it must be a magical invisible man in the sky", not me. I HAVE read your contradictory little book of fairy tales, and it's exactly what it appears to be: a collection of stories written by late bronze age/early iron age herders who had no idea whatsoever of how things work, so their only "explanation" was "it must be magic". Enjoy your myths, I'll choose reality.
I HAVE read the buybull, and it's so full of contradictions and inconsistencies that only an idiot would believe any of it; if this cult leader was wandering around 1st century Judea doing the things that are claimed for him, why did no-one else around at the time notice ANY of it? How come all of these "miracles" are copied from earlier cults? How come you have to IGNORE some parts in order to believe other parts? Fairy tales aren't evidence.
@StaceyC123 he's not gonna reply, cause these religious idiots only repeat what they've read in that shit book, they don't think so they can't come up with answers to your questions
@jonnyneo53 I hate to break it to you but the average atheist on youtube is more intelligent than Craig. He's a good public speaker but his competence ends there, he regurgitates the same nonsensical and long refuted *ological arguments ad nauseum.
@TheScienceFoundation I disagree with your statement. Ive seen plenty of Debates where Craig goes up against Hitchens, Harris, 3 Oxford Professors (I dont recall their names), and many other Atheists. He's destroyed every atheist he debates. None of them have ever given convincing rebuttles to any of his arguements, some not even trying to refute them, instead throwing Red Herrings. Craig's arguements are Scientifically sound, reasonable and logical.
@jonnyneo53 Not sure what debates you've watched, Craig typically just throws up a wall of fallacy to stymie the discussion in general. He never offers anything but pure fallacy. Not in any way meant to be in depth rebuttals but:
Cosmological argument : Ignores that if an ex nihilo event occurred, this would signal the breakdown of all scientific principles, meaning no causality. So that's taxicabbing.
@TheScienceFoundation Cosmological Arguement: The indeterministic origination of virtual particles in the quantum vacuum is not true ex nihilo since the vacuum contains a sea of fluctuating energy, empty space, and is governed by physical laws; none of which is "nothing."
Moral Arguement: Objective Morals are NOT assumed. If they were assumed, Harris would not be there trying to prove that Objective morals exist without God.
@jonnyneo53 Ontological argument : It's the bare assertion that the stretch must be made from pure thought to actualization based on the appeal to emotion of basically "but otherwise god wouldn't exist" It's a complete non-sequitur
Teleological argument : It's a completely erroneous claimed based on literally nothing. There is nothing which all of existence can be compared to in order to say it 'looks designed'
Moral argument : Objective morals are assumed, circular logic.
@jonnyneo53 Ontological argument : It basically says that god is the greatest being that can be conceived of, and existing is greater than not existing, therefore a god which is conceived of as the maximally great being must exist, lest he is not the maximally greatest being.
It's an appeal to consequence, it's saying "If god doesn't exist, then he's not the greatest extant being, only the greatest conceived" which has no bearing on whether he actually exists.
@TheScienceFoundation Actually it should be phrased "Evolution is a mechanism of genetic variation". Evolution implies an evolving process towards a greater complexity, functionality, or survivability. Mutations are not classified as "evolution" which is why they are called as such.
@bubbyj No, variation is a mechanism of evolution, there are other mechanisms such as selection, duplication and polyploidy.
Evolution does no such thing, evolution is a descriptive model of the change in allele frequencies in populations. Mutations are one mechanism of evolution, which is why mutations alone are not called evolution. That'd be like calling a steering wheel a car.
@TheScienceFoundation So what of genetic variations among species themselves? Humans, for example. Scientists are slowly beginning to apply every characteristic a human olds to some sequence in our DNA. One person has an ever so slight difference to make him straight but I'm gay, is that evolution?
@TheScienceFoundation Ahhh. So the genetic variation of homosexuality leading to the death of a species due to no desire to reproduce with the opposite sex is evolution as well? How does homosexuality provide any progression or natural selection, two pillars of evolution?
@TheScienceFoundation How was my question leading or misinformed? It wasn't an argument against evolution, just that all genetic deviation can have the "evolution" term slapped onto it.
@TheScienceFoundation Or even better, perhaps homosexuality is not a gene and science is overstepping its bounds in attempting to simplify the human psyche and moral characteristics.
@TheScienceFoundation Well at least you are willing to admit that genetics is not the end all be all of all questions human much like Richard Dawkins, who, as brilliant as he is, plays sociologist, psychologist, psychiatrist, every -ist there is because of his work in evolutionary biology.
I was just curious if you were one of those "science has no need for philosophy" individuals. Judging by your name, I assumed the worst. Good talking with you.
@TheScienceFoundation We excuse people for being homosexual, which is a genetic variation/causation of hormones "controlled" by genotypes. Murder could be explained through the same concept and should also be excused due to someones genetic predisposition. Dawkins goes as far to say that the universe is cold and indifferent, there are no morals, and implies that every behavior is explainable and defendable through genetics. You support this claim?
@bubbyj The difference being homosexuality is a personal choice and the action of having sex can be refrained from if it is so desired. So too can violent impulses by most people. I don't recall Dawkins ever saying there are no morals.
@TheScienceFoundation He states in his book in the very first chapter that there is no such thing as good or evil. He also states in several debates morals are relative, not objective, and are subjective abstracts that have no grounds for consideration in the realm of science. Do you think genetics explains moral values?
@bubbyj True. I should have been a little clearer on the difference between good/evil and morals. Not very much room to explain so I went with a short, albeit insufficient answer. So you do ascribe to the idea that morals, being an evolved trait that only humans posess, can be explained by a study in evolution and genetics, but we fight our genetic urges, thus presenting a moral/genetic conflict, something also only present in humans?
@bubbyj " Are morals only present in humans and are they evolved or God given?" That is the $100,000 question. In this seemingly simple question we have genetics, evolution, morality, free will, good vs evil and religion. Good luck getting any kind of consensus with these explosive social issues hiding just below the surface.
@jonnyneo53 Evolution is not chance. That is why natural selection has the word SELECTION in it. Otherwise it would be called "evolution by natural random shit", which is not what evolution is about.
@jonnyneo53 Right, but one must be specific when we discuss what we are talking about when we say "chance" or "random". Creationists misrepresent evolution by saying the theory is all about random chance. That is not true, Evolution relies on two drivers, random mutation with variation and natural selection. The latter is not random and accounts for how complexity arose. But humans are not predestined outcomes, so in that sense, Dawkins is correct.
@jonnyneo53 Why is it so hard to believe that roughly 3,5 billion years of evolution has finally produced the intelligent beings that we are? Given this massive timespan the chances of an animal evolving into something with intelligence and capable of logic and reason may not have been so miraclulous at all. Hec, we might have been overdue.
@ambidexterity1 Its so hard to believe because of the odds that were calculated: 'There are 10 steps in the supposed "Evolution" of Man, EACH of which is SO improbable, that before it would have occured by chance alone, the Sun would have ceaced to be a main sequenced star and incinarated the earth. Its estamated that the odds of the 'Evolution' of the human Genome are somewhere between 4 to the -180th power to the 110,000th power and 4 to the -360th power to the 110,00th power'
@jonnyneo53 Around 7 million years ago somewhere in the plains of Africa natural and sexual selection favoured bigger brains in our ancestors. It could’ve happend to another species had they been in the same niche as us.
@StaceyC123 .... There are 10 steps in the supposed "Evolution" of Man, EACH of which is SO improbable, that before it would have occured by chance alone, the Sun would have ceaced to be a main sequenced star and incinarated the earth. Its estamated that the odds of the 'Evolution' of the human Genome are somewhere between 4 to the -180th power to the 110,000th power and 4 to the -360th power to the 110,00th power. Conclution? .........
Have you got any more pseudo-scientific guesstimation I can laugh at? DNA sequencing proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that humans are related to every other lifeform on this planet, and the fact that your fragile ego can't handle that is more evidence to the ignorance that sprouted your superstition.
@jonnyneo53 You would be correct on your odds if man popped into existence as he appears today (you know, the way the Bible claims) but that is not how it happened. The incremental steps that are the key to where we are today. What are the odds that man would first fly in 1903, then go to the moon only 66 years later? Very poor if there were not the intermediate steps in between. Same with us. Science has unlocked the mystery, now all you need to do is look up the answers.
@StaceyC123 LOL!!! I cant ignore you, you make me laugh too much.
Are we talking about the bible? No, we are talking about God. You say that "The idea that there is an invisible magic man in the sky who made and controls everything is simply fucking RETARDED". Really? That a Timeless, Spaceless, Changless, All-Powerfull being created the universe is "Fucking RETARDED"? HAHAHA. You are truly mentally deranged and delutional. .......
Yes, it IS fucking retarded, because it's nothing more than an idea that some bronze-age hunter-gatherer pulled out of his ass because he couldn't think of another answer; ie. "I dunno, so it must be magic". The fact that you're too stupid to see that tells me that you either don't care if what you believe is true, or you don't WANT to know the truth.
@jonnyneo53 OK, So how do you know God created the universe? Which God? Christian? Muslim? Shiva maybe? How do you know it was not many Gods? or an entire population of Gods? or maybe aliens in another universe? Seriously, How do you know? Is another religious viewpoint other than yours retarded? Why is yours so right while all the other superstitious religious wrong? Why do you deny what science says about it in favor of your favorite flavor of religion?
@coolgreyoneabby Im not argueing which religion is right or wrong, or which God(s) did it. Im argueing that a powerfull, supernatural entity (God) created the universe.
"Why do you deny what science says about it in favor of your favorite flavor of religion?"
What are you talking about? Science argues FOR the existance of God!
EVIDENCE: /watch?v=l3HCthi2i_o
Actually watch and meditate on the video, dont be like StaceyC123 and ignore clear scientific evidence.
@jonnyneo53 Prove to me that there aren't invisible fairies orbiting the earth which sometimes answer people's prayers (if they truly believe in them) and don't show on any scientific instrumentation. Oh, and as with Stacy's green zebra's example, you will go to hell if you don't believe in them and burn for all eternity - as happens to all people who don't have faith in them.
The ball's STILL in your court. Let's see you prove the negative. Should be easy,eh.
@andthereisntone Look, you can invent all the little stories you want for me to try and disprove, but the main question is still open. and that is: Does God Exist. I showed you Evidence in that Video, you didnt like the arguements presented, and thats fine. The question, however, is still open. In order to close the question, i either have to prove evidence that you will agree with or vice-versa.
@jonnyneo53 Ah, but I only invented it because I was able to imagine it - therefore it MUST be true! That's one of Craig's absurd arguments for God isn't it?
I think you are starting to get the picture now how totally impossible it is to prove the negative.
@andthereisntone I know you didn't talked with me...buuut I just had to tell you this ^^
Dude, christianity it's not the only religion that has heaven and hell. So pretty much, anything you do is a risk to go to either heaven or hell.
So...I choose to do and consider as truth whatever the hell I want. AND, if you are curios to know, I have the need to discover truth using something called:
@jonnyneo53 William Craig is not a scientists. He is an apologist for religion. He presents no real evidence, just philosophical questions. Science is about evidence. God is not testable, but many of the claims of religion are, and those claims do not hold up to scientific standards. Also, unlike what your video claims, Craig HAS debated Dawkins and the Theistic side did not do as well as you would hope. You may believe that God made the universe, but there is no scientific evidence for God.
@coolgreyoneabby Craig is not a scientist, but he is a Philosopher of Science. And though he does not present Physical evidence, like "Look, there is God himself", he does present logical evidence BASED on scientific facts.
@jonnyneo53 Sorry, Not good enough. Your own idea of God is that he is outside the normal physical world. Science only deals with testing the physical world and therefore by definition God is outside the scope of science. If that is true, it is physically impossible to use science to attribute anything to an entity that cannot be proved to exist. You can say it's faith, but science does not and cannot support your belief system of God.
@coolgreyoneabby I didnt say he presents Scientific Evidence, I said he presents LOGICAL Evidence BASED on established Scientific Facts. For example, Its a scientific fact that the universe had a Beggining. Now using a logical deductive arguement, he presents Logical evidence based on that particular scientific fact.
@coolgreyoneabby And Evolution Relies on 3 factors: Mutation, Natural selection, and the Fossil Record. All of which are Myths. Well, there are actual fossils, but the thought that the Fossil reccord documents Macroevolutionary changes is a Myth.
@jonnyneo53 Your complete lack of understanding is staggering. It is obvious you have no formal college level biology background. First, you get confused between how evolution works and evidence for it. Mutation and natural selection are the mechanics of how it works, while the fossil record is evidence for evolution, not how it works.
Evidence for evolution is corroborated by many fields and disciplines including genetics, geology, chemistry, atomic theory, archeology and more.
@jonnyneo53 Evidence for evolution is overwhelming and fills college text books, and professional fields of scientific study. You should get a good overview of evolution by simply reading the Wikipedia entry for "Evolution" and READ IT!. If that is not enough evidence also look up "Geologic time". Just stay away from Creationist websites and religion for your sources. That's where got you off on the wrong foot to begin with.
@coolgreyoneabby I vote we take this to the personal Inbox, as these comment boxes to not allow enough characters for an appropriate reply. What say ye?
@jonnyneo53 You are free to do that and I will read it, but please do better than "The bible says..." I also do not have time to make up for anyone's lack of even the most basic science education. An analogy would be: I will not entertain a discussion on the evils of differential calculus with people that have not learned simple math yet.
@jonnyneo53 I want you to make a good argument, but before you start, Please watch "Qualiasoup: Evolution" Then "Qualiasoup Skewed Views of Science" If you understand what you are arguing against and avoid the typical pitfalls of Creationists thinking, you stand a much better chance. Also we will save much time and you will be better prepared. Good luck!
@StaceyC123 I didnt say MY god, I said A God. The God that created the universe. There is Scientific evidence, philosofic evidence, theologic evidence, and of course spiritual evidence. You, on the other hand, have NO evidence to disprove God. Your following blind faith. And you say im the Moron. lolz!
You obviously claim to believe in your particular cult's "god", but the rest of your laughable "argument" comes down to what's known as "the argument from ignorance"; simply put, that's "if I don't know how something happens or works, it must be magic", which is what EVERY cult's claims come down to. You wouldn't buy this for anything else, so why this time, moron?
@StaceyC123 First of all, its not called the "Arguement from ignorance". Its called the "God-of-the-gaps Arguements". Learn your stuff before you speak. Second, we are not talking about which "cult" is correct or not. LEARN TO READ. We are argueing if a Supernatural Diety (God) exists who created the universe. There IS proof that God exists. PROVE THE EVIDENCE WRONG.
No, a "god of the gaps argument" is a subset of the argument from ignorance, moron, so maybe you need to learn more about why clowns like you fall for these superstitions in the first place. And you haven't SHOWN ANY EVIDENCE, you are simply asserting that there's some (back to the argument from ignorance yet again). "We can't explain it so it must be magic" isn't evidence for your imaginary "god" any more than it's evidence for magical pink unicorns, fool.
I've never been impressed by mahr's presentation of his point of view: he substitutes wit for poorly mannered derision.
83Tubes 14 hours ago
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers.
therealjammit 18 hours ago
Your "movement" is dead. Objects did not make or refine what you are. That's baseless, irrational and illogical.
Your "best" and "brightest" lost every debate until he "got wise" and stopped accepting debates.
You don't know what you're dealing with. Every function, working part and mechanism always has a maker that's equal to or greater than whatever function is ordered.
You don't have a clue of what you are talking about. The simple function of hydrogen in life forms proves we have a Maker.
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In Brasil there is a stupid or evil man who claims to be jesus and goes by Inri Cristo, as it´s writen in the mitological statue of a torturated man who supousbly is a damigod in catolic churchs. This man almost everyone calls him as crazy. But a few crazyest don´t and follow him as you might expect of crazy people! 300 hundred years from now people will say that jesus has resuracted, and only a few good ones has follow him, and it´s historical, only becuse have passed 300 years and it´s old!
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ENTERRAPTURE20 1 day ago
Maher is an obnoxious dick but at least he's not as stupid as Bill O'Reilly
1manmafia 1 day ago 2
Im a Christian and Im a big fan of Bill Maher haha
LittleRicky63 1 day ago
@LittleRicky63 You can like the guy but you cannot like what he says about God.
JungleJargon 1 day ago
"This is what I believe." Yeah, you believe it, and I'm going to say why it's dumb." I can't believe I didn't think of that line. The epicness made me feel funny downstairs.
blah1311 2 days ago
they thrive on being called dumb, it just strengthens their faith and passion
pokerisometrics 2 days ago 14
the scene in the Exorcist is good evidence
pokerisometrics 2 days ago
Religious people think that 'faith' is reserved for them. I have faith too. I have faith that there is no god.
ridered300 3 days ago
0:14 Expected an arrow to be involved.
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pkpapers 3 days ago
I have faith and it's not destructive... not nearly so. Quite the opposite, actually. It's far more constructive than destructive. :S
KeusFrench 4 days ago
@KeusFrench That's you; then there are people like Osama Bin Laden how kill large numbers of people for theirs.
kokofan50 4 days ago
@kokofan50 Okay so then Maher should be saying this: I think religion is destructive when it turns to radicalism and when people misunderstand it. Or when people us religion as a means for violence, or hatred, or intolerance. Stuff like that.
Can you kinda see where I am getting at? His statement is very broad...
KeusFrench 4 days ago
@KeusFrench The problem is that religion causes intolerance. "I am the one true god and you shall have no gods before me." the kinds of statments make it hard to be tolerant. At the very least you are saying everyone elses god is fales; at worsest you can being saying they are false and evil along with those people who worship them. If you take in acount the number of people who are memmbers of an Abrahamic religion thats arounf hafl the planet that suports intolerance do to religin.
kokofan50 4 days ago
@kokofan50 Yeah but that's the thing. Just because I have no god's before my God (Christian one), that does not mean I am not 'tolerant' of them. If someone wishes to believe in Allah, or Shiva, or Bramen, or whatever god they choose, that is their choice. And I will be tolerant of their choice, though I don't necessarily agree.
Now, that being said, there ARE hostile and evil gods. I just haven't done enough research into that subject.. :S
KeusFrench 4 days ago
@KeusFrench Just so you know allah is your god by another title. Also did you read what I said and how it is intolerant. Don't just make statments how you can be some thing and not be something else at the same time: say why that is otherwise you are lieing because you gave no suport. Fomr what I know there are no evil gods. Many gods are dark and comlex.
kokofan50 4 days ago
@kokofan50 The Muslim god and the Christian god are not the same.
And I don't think you know what the word means...
Intolerant: "not tolerating or respecting beliefs, opinions, usages, manners, etc., different from one's own, as in political or religious matters; bigoted".
See here - I respect other people's beliefs, like I mentioned before.
We done here?
KeusFrench 3 days ago
@KeusFrench they are the same, if you say they are not perhaps you should read your bible
philessexuk 3 days ago
@philessexuk There is no mention of Allah in the Christian Bible and therefore reading it would be pointless if I was trying to prove your statement true.
KeusFrench 3 days ago
@KeusFrench ERM you do know Allah is the Arabic word for God don't you? perhaps you also didn't know that each translation of the word god isn't god they are all different. did you go to school by any chance?
philessexuk 3 days ago
@philessexuk Thank you, but yes I knew that. Still there is no mention of "allah" in the Christian Bible. Allah of Islam and God of Christianity - they are different.
KeusFrench 3 days ago
@KeusFrench are you truly that dense, do you even know the origin of chrisitanity ? do you know the origin of islam ? try look up the torah its the jewish bible and that shows you how they are the same god becuase both christianity and islam came from jeudaism. explain why muslims revere jesus?? and again allah is mentioned in the bible, its just mentioned as following: God, he, him, the almighty, jehovah, yahweh or YHWH. look it all up because you are clearly ignorant to it all. God bless
philessexuk 3 days ago
@philessexuk The God's are NOT the same because the faith's are not the same. How can one promote 'this' when the other promotes 'that', if they both appeal to the same "God"?
KeusFrench 2 days ago
@KeusFrench lol i'm sorry but do you know how many denominations of Christianity there are ? they all don't have the same beliefs and yet they are all called Christianity as a whole. Islam also has denominations but its is called Islam still, there origin is all the same though which is why they are called Abrahamic faiths. please do not reply unless you have any logic.
philessexuk 2 days ago
@philessexuk Okay so you agreeing with me, thank you. Cause I said the faiths are different, which they are. And BTW, certain sects of "Christians" probably won't go to Heaven. You have to have a belief in the core concepts of the Bible and Jesus.
KeusFrench 2 days ago
@KeusFrench haha so egotistical your religion is the right one despite you have no proof of that or proof that the other doesnt
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@KeusFrench You do know that Jeuse is held as one of the prophet along with the old testiment prophets in Islam and are almost as important as the Prophet Mohammed inspreading the word of Allah? "Not tolerating or respecting beliefs," that's just what you religion does by saying all other gods are false making it intolerant and you by suport of that religion.
kokofan50 2 days ago
@kokofan50 I would disagree with your statement just a bit. I don't think religion causes intolerance...people are still the problem. The issue is that religion provides an empowering language through which any ignorant person can justify any bigotry or prejudice that they already feel. Whether that be due to willful ignorance or pure lack of education, people are still the problem.
trmptr1 2 days ago
@kokofan50 exactly...so why categorize all religious people in one group? Some religious people do bad things, others do good things. We can oppose people like Bin Laden without claiming that the whole concept of religion is destructive.
SilvaFilm 4 days ago
@SilvaFilm Ya but the bad out weights the good. If all religious people got along there would be no issue. That is why it is necessary to get rid of all religions. Its not going to happen overnight, nor will it happen in my lifetime, but it will happen. I just hope we come into contact with a friendly alien race soon...then religion would be gone way faster.
TheJayWar 4 days ago
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You can't argue with this logic ! /watch?v=NIoTN7CU6KM
MrExe333 5 days ago
lolz
The guy actually wants to fight over it?!
And yes people, your religions are fucking ridiculous. They don't deserve to be respected anymore than my belief that magical gnomes wipe my ass after I shit.
I admit, you've got a tiny bit more evidence than me, but that's only because I havn't written a book about it yet.
Zentz29 5 days ago 55
@Zentz29 hahahahahaha, you rock my good sir.
Angarato86 4 days ago
@Zentz29 actually a book that has been in the hands of hundreds of different people, each with their own agenda, for thousands of years doesn't count as evidence.
MaherLeary 2 days ago
@MaherLeary It depends on how you define "evidence".
Zentz29 2 days ago
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@Zentz29 awesome but u made 1 mistake there...they aint got more evidence even if u dont write the book
SmackNcrack01 1 day ago
@Zentz29 You write it, I'll be your first believer. I've always wanted to be a prophet too, so with your blessing I would like to spread your nonsense as far as i possibly can before the gnomes run out of toilet paper. Wait, is the roll a magical never-ending one? I hope so, or I'm going to break off and start my own ass wiping gnome cult, because fuck you and your blasphemy.
I'm going to kill you, infidel.
humdrumfeast 18 hours ago
@humdrumfeast My brother, I give you these words of wisdom: As long as you believe in nonsense, ALL things are possible. The roll can be both neverending, & finite through the wisdom of the ass wipers. For the ass wipers are beyond comprehension!
Trust in the ass wiping gnomes and ye shall never wipe thee own ass again.
And I'm TOTALLY super serial!
Zentz29 17 hours ago
Bill isnt an atheist though. He said that he believes in a higher power. He just thinks Religions are a farce.
varone6t9 5 days ago
@varone6t9 Hes whats called an agnostic which is the same as saying I think there might be a God but I highly doubt it or its an alien or something like that
veriven2 5 days ago
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@veriven2 Copy/paste "Bill Maher "Michele Bachmann Thinks God Is Talking To Her"
It'll be the top vid.
He's an atheist, or an "apatheist"...
Skip ahead to about 4:55
Zentz29 5 days ago
@varone6t9 Copy/paste "Bill Maher "Michele Bachmann Thinks God Is Talking To Her"
It'll be the top vid.
He's an atheist, or an "apatheist"...
Skip ahead to about 4:55
Zentz29 5 days ago
As a member of the small minority of rationalists he mentioned, I would say that the main reason we don't speak up is that we don't want to be butchered by the "believers", whatever form they may be.
moony2082 5 days ago
@moony2082 I very much doubt the minority is as small as you seem to believe it is.
MC473428 4 days ago
@MC473428 Yeah I know I was being facetious haha
moony2082 4 days ago
i don't think people should denounce supernatural believes. Organized religion has done more harm than good, but thats the thing, they're organiztions that feed off of peoples fears and weaknesses. However, having a personal belief that there may be something greater out there is sometimes a good thing to have. The natives believed everything and everyone was connected and that was wonderful. There has to be a balance is all I'm saying.
meizlovely 5 days ago
@meizlovely Okay, let's believe the world is flat so people sleep better.
FlourescentPotato 4 days ago
that was funny as fuck.
BigWillThePrince 6 days ago
Bill Maher FTW. Telling it like it is.
lillobo1 6 days ago
He is invalidated by his own lack of logic!
mackat4ck 6 days ago
@mackat4ck O'really, care to explain
TheDeadlyNote 6 days ago
@TheDeadlyNote He rejects mainstream medicine in favor of quackery! This destroys his credibility.
mackat4ck 5 days ago
@mackat4ck source?
TheDeadlyNote 5 days ago
@TheDeadlyNote Seriously just type in Bill Maher and Vaccines into and you'll have all the sources you need!
mackat4ck 4 days ago
You are not a biggot and compare the catholic church to the KKK...Perhaps maher need to be more objective: I remember sister restituta was a catholic nun murdered by the nazis for refusing to put down a catholic icon in a hospital...I thought Hitler was a catholic, so was himmler...
gnossticc 6 days ago
Wisdom,like most things,evolves gradually.And right now,we are gaining a lot of knowledge very fast.And look around:more and more people are turning to the scientific method, becoming agnostic,or atheist(which is a belief too by the way).At the same time religion is like a fish out of the water.It tries to fight all this new knowledge and becomes more absurd every day.People pick up on that and drop religion even more. I'm not worried. Bye religion, you had a good run, but you're just silly now.
PainSurgeon 6 days ago
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PainSurgeon 6 days ago
Bill Maher is awesome!
MrJujubeee07 6 days ago
6224 pessoa(s) gosta(m), 342 pessoa(s) não gosta(m)
well Bill.... looks like a win to me.
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ZeusYourUncle 1 week ago
Agnostics are the real moral minority. Religion has nearly destroyed mankind. It is time to start thinking for a change.
MindofaJedi 1 week ago
I can't stand someone who insults people's beliefs in something. Whoever's right and whoever's wrong, I respect people that commit themselves to a set of values they believe in.
Buttnut105 1 week ago
@Buttnut105
So you respect radical Muslims because they vehemently believe in destroying Western civilization?
smoyer60 1 week ago
@smoyer60 Yeah because someone who's Catholic and goes to church is the same as a Jihadist strapping a bomb to a six year old. Be honest, did you really expect me to at all agree with what you implied?
Buttnut105 1 week ago
Bill is awsome!!
Countryboy27ish 1 week ago
People always criticize Atheists for wanting evidence of everything. Fair enough, BUT since we do like evidence, that kinda shows you there hasn't been any. watch ''SUPERMAN DRACULA & JESUS GO TO SIZZLER"
BansheeMilk 1 week ago
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gasmask4poop 1 week ago
If you despise religion as I do, watch my cartoon "SUPERMAN, DRACULA & JESUS GO TO SIZZLER"
BansheeMilk 1 week ago
I agree with Bill Maher when it comes to religion and rationality, all religions, including the Jewish,the catholic religion and Christian religions are cuckoo,but i find it strange that he mentioned Hamas ,a freedom fighter group,which are a Muslim Arab group in Palestine,why would this be important on CNN,it seems to me that CNN are sending out subliminal messages that targets Catholics Muslims Christians as irrational, while keeping Jewish theology out of public eye,
Superpureeliteful 1 week ago
@Superpureeliteful
Don't kid yourself; the various muslim wingnuts are just as batshit crazy as the various jewish or christian wingnuts, it's just that they don't have as much overt power in the US. If you watch "Religulous", he talks to a number of wacky jews, and skewers them quite well.
StaceyC123 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 i am not disagreeing with you,but it seems that news corporations are impartial to the truth where politics are involved,they will keep something objective,but partial,i don't like that,thats why we have so many terrorists in the world,terrorism is born out of injustice,or where there is a biased perspective,the news corporations (corporations) have been filling Americans with bull shit,to suit the needs of rich old men.
Superpureeliteful 1 week ago
science can be magic if you want, that's what it would seem like to a person unacquainted with our "systems"..the average person only understands things on a superficial level. Don't pretend to know science...to me and you it's all fucking magic. The computer? Little magnets that go on and off...:P
FeelingFreshSon 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 .........The idea that we Evolved and are capable of intelligence, logic and reasoning without being created and all BY CHANCE is simply fucking RETARDED.
So, IF Evolution did occur, it would LITTERALLY be a miracle, ant thus MORE evidence for the existance of God.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53
Except that the science PROVES that that's exactly what happened; now, if your cult had anything more than 1000th-hand ghost stories written by ignorant nomads, and a book of fairy tales that has been edited and re-written ad nauseum, you migth have something worth looking at. Until you do, you're doing nothing more than wishful thinking.
StaceyC123 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 Aw.... poor little fool. Science DOES NOT prove evolution. Evolution is soooo conflicting, even amongst evolutionist themselves. And that "pseudo-scientific guesstimation" you wanna laugh at, it was calculated by Scientists. Like i said, the is Scientific information for the existance of God in that video, but you choose to ignore it. Evidence such as The Origin of the Universe, The Fine Tuning of the Initial conditions, the objective moral arguement, and more. Idiot. ;)
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53
Origin of the universe - "I dunno, so it must be magic"
"fine tuning" - no such thing
"objective moral argument" - again, no such thing
And yes, unless your imaginary "god" was deliberately trying to convince us all of its non-existence, why on earth would we share our entire genetic lineage with every other lifeform on this planet, halfwit? The major difference between us and our next closest primate relatives is a mutation joining their chromosomes #2 and #13, fool.
StaceyC123 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 ha.... hahah..... HAHAHAHAH!!!! Thats not what i meant by Origin of the Universe. and No such thing as Fine Tuning? or Objective Moral Value? REALLY???? EVEN THOUGH ITS SCIENTIFICALLY PROOVEN????
You are a bottom-less pit of stupidity. Seriously. Actually WATCH the video and TRY to understand whats being said. I know it has big words, but just try, ok? I have faith in you.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53
Which particular creationist cess-pit of stupidity do you mean? Surely not that moron Craig? There IS no such thing as "fine-tuning", you clown, because we happen to live in a tiny part of an overwhelmingly hostile universe. If there's any sort of objective morality, it certainly doesn't have anything to do with your bronze-age superstition, which justifies everything from slavery and human sacrifice, to rape and murder, asswipe.
StaceyC123 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 That 'moron' Craig? You mean the professional philosipher and Theologin? Im sorry, i didnt kno you where smarter then him! You are such a retard! Do you not have ANY self esteem? You seem to like making a fool of yourself! first of all, There is such a thing as Fine Tuning, and second, its been proven that without God, there would be no Objective moral values or duties. Even richard Dawkins contradicts himself on this matter!
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53
Yes, that moron Craig (the same one who said, if he was presented with absolute proof that his imaginary "god" didn't exist, would STILL believe in it, just because he "knows in his heart" that it exists; this is the epitome of wishful thinking). You haven't DEMONSTRATED either "fine tuning" OR "objective moral values" assclown, so you're still just engaging in wishful thinking.
StaceyC123 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 lol! YOUR talking about wishful thinking??? I showed you Scientific Evidence, Philisofic Evidence, and Theologic Evidence that God exists, AND I explained ALL the so called "Contradictions" that the other fool presented ealier regarding the Bible, yet you STILL believe God doesnt exist! THATS the epitome of wishful thinking! Im surprized you know how to even use the internet considering how full-blown STUPID you are!!!
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53
You still haven't shown ANY evidence, halfwit, you've simply said "I can't explain these things, so the real answer must be a magical man in the sky"; can you explain to me how that differs at all from saying "I can't find my keys so pixies must have hidden them from me"? It is an argument from absolute ignorance, and the fact that you pinheads swallow it up like it was candy shows that you haven't moved past the thinking of shamans and medicine men.
StaceyC123 1 week ago 24
@StaceyC123 I...SHOWED...YOU...EVIDENCE....YOU....FUCKING.....STUPID.....IDIOT......MORON!!!!!
/watch?v=LgwqgSmIdHY
/watch?v=OBEKUBOMA_0&feature=related
/watch?v=l3HCthi2i_o&feature=related
I never said "I cant explain these things" because THROUGH SCIENCE AND EVIDENCE, THE EXPLANATION IS GOD. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK IDIOT HEAD.
You are seriously the stupidest person on earth, its not even funny! Your parents did a TERRIBLE job raising you
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53
Science doesn't have "it must be a magic man in the sky" as an ANSWER, shithead, and none of the retarded creationists in your clips understand that any more than you do. When pinheads like you were looking for an explanation for lighting, the only "explanation" they could come up with was "there must be a magic man in the sky throwing lightning down at earth", and that's what your cult and others preached, until it became obvious that you're full of shit.
StaceyC123 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 Wow. Your useless. You must think energy is magic. you must think Gravity is magic. You must think heat is magic. You must think the laws of physics is Magic. You must think cosmology is Magic. Cause that what science and philosophy in the videos use to determine the evidence for the existance of God.
Its clear that you didnt take the time to see the videos, or read the Bible, or anything. You are ignorant and an idiot and nobody is to take you seriously.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53
Not at all fool; I'll remind you that YOU'RE the one that "explains" things by saying "I dunno, so it must be a magical invisible man in the sky", not me. I HAVE read your contradictory little book of fairy tales, and it's exactly what it appears to be: a collection of stories written by late bronze age/early iron age herders who had no idea whatsoever of how things work, so their only "explanation" was "it must be magic". Enjoy your myths, I'll choose reality.
StaceyC123 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 Why is it that pixies keep doing things like that. They get you all drunked up and steal your keys. Damn pixies.
chrisjreddie 6 days ago
@StaceyC123 well read the bible its god \truth
MarioBrosClassic 6 days ago
@MarioBrosClassic
I HAVE read the buybull, and it's so full of contradictions and inconsistencies that only an idiot would believe any of it; if this cult leader was wandering around 1st century Judea doing the things that are claimed for him, why did no-one else around at the time notice ANY of it? How come all of these "miracles" are copied from earlier cults? How come you have to IGNORE some parts in order to believe other parts? Fairy tales aren't evidence.
StaceyC123 6 days ago
@StaceyC123 he's not gonna reply, cause these religious idiots only repeat what they've read in that shit book, they don't think so they can't come up with answers to your questions
alynwhite 6 days ago
@jonnyneo53 I hate to break it to you but the average atheist on youtube is more intelligent than Craig. He's a good public speaker but his competence ends there, he regurgitates the same nonsensical and long refuted *ological arguments ad nauseum.
TheScienceFoundation 1 week ago
@TheScienceFoundation I disagree with your statement. Ive seen plenty of Debates where Craig goes up against Hitchens, Harris, 3 Oxford Professors (I dont recall their names), and many other Atheists. He's destroyed every atheist he debates. None of them have ever given convincing rebuttles to any of his arguements, some not even trying to refute them, instead throwing Red Herrings. Craig's arguements are Scientifically sound, reasonable and logical.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 Not sure what debates you've watched, Craig typically just throws up a wall of fallacy to stymie the discussion in general. He never offers anything but pure fallacy. Not in any way meant to be in depth rebuttals but:
Cosmological argument : Ignores that if an ex nihilo event occurred, this would signal the breakdown of all scientific principles, meaning no causality. So that's taxicabbing.
TheScienceFoundation 1 week ago
@TheScienceFoundation Cosmological Arguement: The indeterministic origination of virtual particles in the quantum vacuum is not true ex nihilo since the vacuum contains a sea of fluctuating energy, empty space, and is governed by physical laws; none of which is "nothing."
Moral Arguement: Objective Morals are NOT assumed. If they were assumed, Harris would not be there trying to prove that Objective morals exist without God.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 If the particles the universe were supposedly created from existed beforehand, then it wasn't actually created.
Just because Sam Harris is trying to prove it doesn't mean it's so.
TheScienceFoundation 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 Ontological argument : It's the bare assertion that the stretch must be made from pure thought to actualization based on the appeal to emotion of basically "but otherwise god wouldn't exist" It's a complete non-sequitur
Teleological argument : It's a completely erroneous claimed based on literally nothing. There is nothing which all of existence can be compared to in order to say it 'looks designed'
Moral argument : Objective morals are assumed, circular logic.
TheScienceFoundation 1 week ago 14
@TheScienceFoundation Teleological argument: I dont know enough about this to make a rebuttle yet...
Ontological argument : Your comment makes no sense. Please re-phrase what your trying to say.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 Ontological argument : It basically says that god is the greatest being that can be conceived of, and existing is greater than not existing, therefore a god which is conceived of as the maximally great being must exist, lest he is not the maximally greatest being.
It's an appeal to consequence, it's saying "If god doesn't exist, then he's not the greatest extant being, only the greatest conceived" which has no bearing on whether he actually exists.
TheScienceFoundation 1 week ago
@TheScienceFoundation My Rolex was designed by evolution...
gnossticc 3 days ago
@gnossticc That's silly, a watch is mechanical and does not replicate with variation.
TheScienceFoundation 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation Variation is synonymous with evolution? Interesting...
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj Genetic vriation is a mechanism of evolution.
TheScienceFoundation 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation Actually it should be phrased "Evolution is a mechanism of genetic variation". Evolution implies an evolving process towards a greater complexity, functionality, or survivability. Mutations are not classified as "evolution" which is why they are called as such.
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj No, variation is a mechanism of evolution, there are other mechanisms such as selection, duplication and polyploidy.
Evolution does no such thing, evolution is a descriptive model of the change in allele frequencies in populations. Mutations are one mechanism of evolution, which is why mutations alone are not called evolution. That'd be like calling a steering wheel a car.
TheScienceFoundation 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation So all genetic variations are covered on the umbrella of evolution?
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj Given that evolutionary theory was specifically constructed to describe the change in allele frequencies in populations, yes.
TheScienceFoundation 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation So what of genetic variations among species themselves? Humans, for example. Scientists are slowly beginning to apply every characteristic a human olds to some sequence in our DNA. One person has an ever so slight difference to make him straight but I'm gay, is that evolution?
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj It changed the gene frequencies in a population, so yes.
TheScienceFoundation 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation Ahhh. So the genetic variation of homosexuality leading to the death of a species due to no desire to reproduce with the opposite sex is evolution as well? How does homosexuality provide any progression or natural selection, two pillars of evolution?
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj Instead of asking leading and misinformed questions why not just ask something along the lines of 'How is it beneficial?'
It's mostly not, which is why it's largely selected against but homosexuality can be beneficial in populations with dwindling resources.
TheScienceFoundation 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation How was my question leading or misinformed? It wasn't an argument against evolution, just that all genetic deviation can have the "evolution" term slapped onto it.
bubbyj 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation Or even better, perhaps homosexuality is not a gene and science is overstepping its bounds in attempting to simplify the human psyche and moral characteristics.
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj That's not impossible, it could well be the result of different influxes of hormones at different stages during pregnancy.
TheScienceFoundation 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation Well at least you are willing to admit that genetics is not the end all be all of all questions human much like Richard Dawkins, who, as brilliant as he is, plays sociologist, psychologist, psychiatrist, every -ist there is because of his work in evolutionary biology.
I was just curious if you were one of those "science has no need for philosophy" individuals. Judging by your name, I assumed the worst. Good talking with you.
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj Well, production of hormones *is* controlled by genotype.
TheScienceFoundation 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation We excuse people for being homosexual, which is a genetic variation/causation of hormones "controlled" by genotypes. Murder could be explained through the same concept and should also be excused due to someones genetic predisposition. Dawkins goes as far to say that the universe is cold and indifferent, there are no morals, and implies that every behavior is explainable and defendable through genetics. You support this claim?
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj The difference being homosexuality is a personal choice and the action of having sex can be refrained from if it is so desired. So too can violent impulses by most people. I don't recall Dawkins ever saying there are no morals.
TheScienceFoundation 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation He states in his book in the very first chapter that there is no such thing as good or evil. He also states in several debates morals are relative, not objective, and are subjective abstracts that have no grounds for consideration in the realm of science. Do you think genetics explains moral values?
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj There being no good or evil is not the same as there being no morals. Empathy explains morality.
No, choosing or refraining to act upon urges does not change the fact the urges exist.
TheScienceFoundation 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation his book *The God Delusion*.
bubbyj 3 days ago
@TheScienceFoundation So you believe that homosexuality, the sex you are attracted to, is a personal choice and not genetic?
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj True. I should have been a little clearer on the difference between good/evil and morals. Not very much room to explain so I went with a short, albeit insufficient answer. So you do ascribe to the idea that morals, being an evolved trait that only humans posess, can be explained by a study in evolution and genetics, but we fight our genetic urges, thus presenting a moral/genetic conflict, something also only present in humans?
bubbyj 3 days ago
@bubbyj " Are morals only present in humans and are they evolved or God given?" That is the $100,000 question. In this seemingly simple question we have genetics, evolution, morality, free will, good vs evil and religion. Good luck getting any kind of consensus with these explosive social issues hiding just below the surface.
coolgreyoneabby 3 days ago
@jonnyneo53 Evolution is not chance. That is why natural selection has the word SELECTION in it. Otherwise it would be called "evolution by natural random shit", which is not what evolution is about.
coolgreyoneabby 1 week ago
@coolgreyoneabby Richard Dawkins himself says in his book 'The God Delusion' that the most "reasonable' explanation as to life is CHANCE
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 Right, but one must be specific when we discuss what we are talking about when we say "chance" or "random". Creationists misrepresent evolution by saying the theory is all about random chance. That is not true, Evolution relies on two drivers, random mutation with variation and natural selection. The latter is not random and accounts for how complexity arose. But humans are not predestined outcomes, so in that sense, Dawkins is correct.
coolgreyoneabby 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 Why is it so hard to believe that roughly 3,5 billion years of evolution has finally produced the intelligent beings that we are? Given this massive timespan the chances of an animal evolving into something with intelligence and capable of logic and reason may not have been so miraclulous at all. Hec, we might have been overdue.
ambidexterity1 1 week ago
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@ambidexterity1 Its so hard to believe because of the odds that were calculated: 'There are 10 steps in the supposed "Evolution" of Man, EACH of which is SO improbable, that before it would have occured by chance alone, the Sun would have ceaced to be a main sequenced star and incinarated the earth. Its estamated that the odds of the 'Evolution' of the human Genome are somewhere between 4 to the -180th power to the 110,000th power and 4 to the -360th power to the 110,00th power'
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 Around 7 million years ago somewhere in the plains of Africa natural and sexual selection favoured bigger brains in our ancestors. It could’ve happend to another species had they been in the same niche as us.
ambidexterity1 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 .... There are 10 steps in the supposed "Evolution" of Man, EACH of which is SO improbable, that before it would have occured by chance alone, the Sun would have ceaced to be a main sequenced star and incinarated the earth. Its estamated that the odds of the 'Evolution' of the human Genome are somewhere between 4 to the -180th power to the 110,000th power and 4 to the -360th power to the 110,00th power. Conclution? .........
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53
Have you got any more pseudo-scientific guesstimation I can laugh at? DNA sequencing proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that humans are related to every other lifeform on this planet, and the fact that your fragile ego can't handle that is more evidence to the ignorance that sprouted your superstition.
StaceyC123 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 You would be correct on your odds if man popped into existence as he appears today (you know, the way the Bible claims) but that is not how it happened. The incremental steps that are the key to where we are today. What are the odds that man would first fly in 1903, then go to the moon only 66 years later? Very poor if there were not the intermediate steps in between. Same with us. Science has unlocked the mystery, now all you need to do is look up the answers.
coolgreyoneabby 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 LOL!!! I cant ignore you, you make me laugh too much.
Are we talking about the bible? No, we are talking about God. You say that "The idea that there is an invisible magic man in the sky who made and controls everything is simply fucking RETARDED". Really? That a Timeless, Spaceless, Changless, All-Powerfull being created the universe is "Fucking RETARDED"? HAHAHA. You are truly mentally deranged and delutional. .......
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53
Yes, it IS fucking retarded, because it's nothing more than an idea that some bronze-age hunter-gatherer pulled out of his ass because he couldn't think of another answer; ie. "I dunno, so it must be magic". The fact that you're too stupid to see that tells me that you either don't care if what you believe is true, or you don't WANT to know the truth.
StaceyC123 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 OK, So how do you know God created the universe? Which God? Christian? Muslim? Shiva maybe? How do you know it was not many Gods? or an entire population of Gods? or maybe aliens in another universe? Seriously, How do you know? Is another religious viewpoint other than yours retarded? Why is yours so right while all the other superstitious religious wrong? Why do you deny what science says about it in favor of your favorite flavor of religion?
coolgreyoneabby 1 week ago
@coolgreyoneabby Im not argueing which religion is right or wrong, or which God(s) did it. Im argueing that a powerfull, supernatural entity (God) created the universe.
"Why do you deny what science says about it in favor of your favorite flavor of religion?"
What are you talking about? Science argues FOR the existance of God!
EVIDENCE: /watch?v=l3HCthi2i_o
Actually watch and meditate on the video, dont be like StaceyC123 and ignore clear scientific evidence.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
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@jonnyneo53 Prove to me that there aren't invisible fairies orbiting the earth which sometimes answer people's prayers (if they truly believe in them) and don't show on any scientific instrumentation. Oh, and as with Stacy's green zebra's example, you will go to hell if you don't believe in them and burn for all eternity - as happens to all people who don't have faith in them.
The ball's STILL in your court. Let's see you prove the negative. Should be easy,eh.
andthereisntone 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 ...are you going to risk burning for all eternity???
andthereisntone 1 week ago
@andthereisntone Look, you can invent all the little stories you want for me to try and disprove, but the main question is still open. and that is: Does God Exist. I showed you Evidence in that Video, you didnt like the arguements presented, and thats fine. The question, however, is still open. In order to close the question, i either have to prove evidence that you will agree with or vice-versa.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 Ah, but I only invented it because I was able to imagine it - therefore it MUST be true! That's one of Craig's absurd arguments for God isn't it?
I think you are starting to get the picture now how totally impossible it is to prove the negative.
andthereisntone 1 week ago
@andthereisntone "I was able to imagine it - therefore it MUST be true! "
thats NOT one of Craigs arguements. In fact, in one of the videos i linked, i believe someone posses that same arguement and Craig reffutes it.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@andthereisntone I know you didn't talked with me...buuut I just had to tell you this ^^
Dude, christianity it's not the only religion that has heaven and hell. So pretty much, anything you do is a risk to go to either heaven or hell.
So...I choose to do and consider as truth whatever the hell I want. AND, if you are curios to know, I have the need to discover truth using something called:
LOOOOO-GIC!
UltimatePlayer000001 1 week ago
@UltimatePlayer000001 I've no idea what you just said.
andthereisntone 1 week ago
@andthereisntone ...It's ok, it's ok. Don't worry about it...
UltimatePlayer000001 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 William Craig is not a scientists. He is an apologist for religion. He presents no real evidence, just philosophical questions. Science is about evidence. God is not testable, but many of the claims of religion are, and those claims do not hold up to scientific standards. Also, unlike what your video claims, Craig HAS debated Dawkins and the Theistic side did not do as well as you would hope. You may believe that God made the universe, but there is no scientific evidence for God.
coolgreyoneabby 1 week ago
@coolgreyoneabby Craig is not a scientist, but he is a Philosopher of Science. And though he does not present Physical evidence, like "Look, there is God himself", he does present logical evidence BASED on scientific facts.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 Sorry, Not good enough. Your own idea of God is that he is outside the normal physical world. Science only deals with testing the physical world and therefore by definition God is outside the scope of science. If that is true, it is physically impossible to use science to attribute anything to an entity that cannot be proved to exist. You can say it's faith, but science does not and cannot support your belief system of God.
coolgreyoneabby 1 week ago
@coolgreyoneabby I didnt say he presents Scientific Evidence, I said he presents LOGICAL Evidence BASED on established Scientific Facts. For example, Its a scientific fact that the universe had a Beggining. Now using a logical deductive arguement, he presents Logical evidence based on that particular scientific fact.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@coolgreyoneabby And Evolution Relies on 3 factors: Mutation, Natural selection, and the Fossil Record. All of which are Myths. Well, there are actual fossils, but the thought that the Fossil reccord documents Macroevolutionary changes is a Myth.
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 Your complete lack of understanding is staggering. It is obvious you have no formal college level biology background. First, you get confused between how evolution works and evidence for it. Mutation and natural selection are the mechanics of how it works, while the fossil record is evidence for evolution, not how it works.
Evidence for evolution is corroborated by many fields and disciplines including genetics, geology, chemistry, atomic theory, archeology and more.
coolgreyoneabby 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 Evidence for evolution is overwhelming and fills college text books, and professional fields of scientific study. You should get a good overview of evolution by simply reading the Wikipedia entry for "Evolution" and READ IT!. If that is not enough evidence also look up "Geologic time". Just stay away from Creationist websites and religion for your sources. That's where got you off on the wrong foot to begin with.
coolgreyoneabby 1 week ago
@coolgreyoneabby I vote we take this to the personal Inbox, as these comment boxes to not allow enough characters for an appropriate reply. What say ye?
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 You are free to do that and I will read it, but please do better than "The bible says..." I also do not have time to make up for anyone's lack of even the most basic science education. An analogy would be: I will not entertain a discussion on the evils of differential calculus with people that have not learned simple math yet.
coolgreyoneabby 1 week ago
@coolgreyoneabby Check your Youtube Message Inbox
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53 I want you to make a good argument, but before you start, Please watch "Qualiasoup: Evolution" Then "Qualiasoup Skewed Views of Science" If you understand what you are arguing against and avoid the typical pitfalls of Creationists thinking, you stand a much better chance. Also we will save much time and you will be better prepared. Good luck!
coolgreyoneabby 1 week ago
Christopher Hitchens... DONE
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andthereisntone 1 week ago
lol. I love the last line.
InnerNarrative 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 I didnt say MY god, I said A God. The God that created the universe. There is Scientific evidence, philosofic evidence, theologic evidence, and of course spiritual evidence. You, on the other hand, have NO evidence to disprove God. Your following blind faith. And you say im the Moron. lolz!
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
@jonnyneo53
You obviously claim to believe in your particular cult's "god", but the rest of your laughable "argument" comes down to what's known as "the argument from ignorance"; simply put, that's "if I don't know how something happens or works, it must be magic", which is what EVERY cult's claims come down to. You wouldn't buy this for anything else, so why this time, moron?
StaceyC123 1 week ago
@StaceyC123 First of all, its not called the "Arguement from ignorance". Its called the "God-of-the-gaps Arguements". Learn your stuff before you speak. Second, we are not talking about which "cult" is correct or not. LEARN TO READ. We are argueing if a Supernatural Diety (God) exists who created the universe. There IS proof that God exists. PROVE THE EVIDENCE WRONG.
/watch?v=l3HCthi2i_o
jonnyneo53 1 week ago
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@jonnyneo53
No, a "god of the gaps argument" is a subset of the argument from ignorance, moron, so maybe you need to learn more about why clowns like you fall for these superstitions in the first place. And you haven't SHOWN ANY EVIDENCE, you are simply asserting that there's some (back to the argument from ignorance yet again). "We can't explain it so it must be magic" isn't evidence for your imaginary "god" any more than it's evidence for magical pink unicorns, fool.
StaceyC123 1 week ago