Communist systems have more in common with organized religion. Both have doctrines, personality cults, demand blind submission, and death camps are Hell's equivalent. The only reason communist leaders didnt allow any religion in their country is for the same reason Christians have the 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me' in their commandments. Why have people worshipping an invisible guy, if they can worship you as a leader? Look at NKorea, Kim Il Sung is their Jesus, Juche their Bible
@OhReallyNoWai North Korea, quite obviously, isn't actually a Communist country, anymore than a psychopath torturing people to death is actually a Christian.
Good vid.. I like it. You got a point. Think about it.. The biggest mass killer, who killed ALL human life, and not just a part of it, is God. And the followers of that same god take the worst examples of atheists and rub it in our face.. Double standard.
@Clyde200k He also referred to his Catholic faith many times in speeches. His first officiual treaty with a foreign power was the concordat with the Roman Catholic Church.
@jogoslogo Many, but certainly not all. I know many myself who are wonderful people. I think they are deluded (not delusional - that's different), but they are good and sincere people
@wonbyamile19 while you are correct I wish to point out an amusing side note about Christians who use their "faith" as an excuse for their hate crimes... there were at least two Black African popes during the history of the papacy.
@mrtadreamer Who says they are misanthropes? Atheists I know are no more likely to hate people than anyone else is. Atheists merely reject the idea of a god or gods.
@Largo64 Atheists who write on youtube seem, intuitively, to be far more likely to disparage, insult, call stupid, treat as children and childish etc. religious believers, than the average person, and then justifiy it by saying 'but they ARE stupid and childish!' And then claim to be rational, scientific thinkers, lol. There again, intuition can't be put in a testtube and measured, so maybe I'm wrong.
@Thimbledunk Here you tar all atheists with the same brush, and that's just not fair. Granted SOME atheists (one who calls himself "amazing" is an example) do that, but I don't think you will find that attitude in any of my videos. I prefer reasoned discourse to flaming. Not that I can't flame back in comments when attacked. Those are individuals, though, and I don't accuse all Christians of behaving that way.
@Largo64 Well, I didn't say 'all'atheists - I'm making a general observation. I also note that many atheists make insulting, personal comments but insist that they don't - for example, using terms like 'sky fairie' etc. - reducing religion to childish-isms - implies something about the mental maturity of religous believers; a very roundabout sort of insult. I'm sorry I don't know if you've done that - I assume you haven't, from what you've said.
@Thimbledunk I see, you're not saying "all," but making a generalization. Got it! As for calling god a sky fairy, or the biblical stories fairy tales, if you choose to be insulted by another's opinion that's too bad. Why do you assume that it's your right never to be insulted? I get abuse from believers every day. I've come to expect it.
@Thimbledunk Religious believers aren't necessarily mentally immature nor stupid, but most ARE indoctrinated at a time when their critical faculties have not had the chance to develop. I know some few who accepted religious belief as adults. I don't think they are stupid, but I really have a hard time understanding how they could have been convinced. One very good friend and I argue over religion often. I wouldn't dream of demeaning her in any way, but I do share my disbelief and reasons for it.
@Largo64 You just demeaned here there - only, you don't recognise it, and you're probably annoyed at the suggestion.You're reducing people to their child-state awareness, and implying that they are 'stuck' in that level of critical awareness - which is a roundabout way of infanticising them and stealing their right to be taken as rational, self aware beings. The fact that atheists see doing this as 'logical' argument is fascinating.
@Largo64 Conversely, what makes you think generalisations are always bad or invalid? They're a tool that can be used usefully, or badly - as in 'most religious people are stupid'. As for abuse, I did't say it was wrong to abuse, or wimpy to object to it. My point is closer to noting the 'general tendency' to characterise people who think differently as idiots, or childish - or immoral - and that these might display a failure to recognise reality over dogma and rhetoric.
There's really not much point in explaining to a religious person how a syllogism works. They don't believe based on reasoning. They are by definition irrational because they prefer faith to reason. No point.
Lets name all the bad religious people by their standards (e.g. Genocide, war, rape etc). Oh looky here Jacob and Moses are on the list. Now why doesn't that surprise me.
It's almost as though you ignore facts and make absurd claims. Than you justify it as a mysterious conspiracy and expect people to take you seriously. Wait, I just summed up your video.
Oh my. Words cannot express how deeply sick to death I am of this so-called argument. It is beyond tiresome. The warped thinking is beyond me. It always struck me how they always talk about the 'atrocities of the 20th century' specifically; completely ignoring the previous 1800 years of dogmatic brutality. WOW I cant help getting frustratingly mad every time they go to this as if they have just hands down proven God's very existence. It's just asinine. The ignorance is just astounding.
@Myytmovies What's your point? No, they were not Americans. The point of this video was that some people say because these horrible people were atheists, that means that ALL atheists are immoral. Atheists are individuals, like everybody else. Anyway, Hitler was not an atheist, but a Roman Catholic, and Mussolini probably was, too. Staliin was schooled in a seminary, although his government was officially ah atheist. I don't know about Mao or Pol Pot. It doesn't matter what they were, though.
@Largo64 First, I am an atheist. Secondly, I'm saying they weren't American because when ever someone says they're an atheist in america, Theists bring these men up and use them as an excuse that being godless is evil. I know Hitler was not an atheist, but if he was, that doesn't mean he was evil because of Atheism. Mussolini was in fact an atheist, but was he evil because he was one, or was he evil because he was bald? or Italian definitely not. Was Stalin evil because he was Russian? Also Not
What a strange atheist, many rather believe he wasn't a god Catholic, thanks to this asshole, he created the Vatican andwe still are living under the Lateran Treaty he made with the Catholic Church in 1929.
The Catholic Church is financed by the state, has full and exclusive religious rights in public schools, we have crucifixes in every classroom and state office.
I will be having a crucifix on my death bed whether I like or not.
no, all man is evil no matter what title you hide behind. the difference is, atheists have convinced themselves that they'll get away with it as the God-fearing man isn't to weak & cowardly to admit his willful evil like the psychopathic cratheist.
what people fail to realize is that killing is one thing. killing in the name of something is entirely different. all of the murders in the history of theist factions were because their victims were not of the same faction. but i cannot find any data supporting the idea that atheists have murdered because their victims believed in a god. nor can i find any data showing that they refrained from killing atheists because they were 'on the same non-belief team' - unlike the religious
@Largo64 "Your one word post was "Fling?" What does that mean?"
It is from your written description of the video. The visual image of Christians "flinging" Hitler at you struck me as funny. Try to visualize a picture of that.
@connerjd Interesting point, and it supports my assertion that Hitler was a Roman Catholic and not an atheist. Most Germans of that day were Catholics, and would have followed the direction of their church. I only agreed to the atheist charge regarding Hitler for the sake of the argument. I know he declared himself to be a Catholic.
@connerjd I didn't say he had renounced his Catholic beliefs. I said that I would accept that premise for the sake of this argument. Many people who hate atheists have used Hitler, calling him an atheist in an attempt to tar all atheists with the same brush. I was taking issue with that idea. Oh, and you must know that no small number of conservative Christians would say that, as a Catholic, he also was no Christian. That's not for them to say, of course.
@Largo64 I was just making a statement when I said he never renounced. I understand why you were making the argument. They also mention Stalin as an attack on all atheists. One again, I am just making a statement.
Ah yes the old classic, the "We killed fewer" form of apologetics. Gotta love it. I've always wondered why Christians think this is a good argument.
1. If atheists killed 10 billion people it in no way proves Christianity.
2. Notice the argument is always based on the 20th century, IE: "Atheists are responsible for millions of deaths in the 20th century"... blah blah blah ... ad nauseam.. What about the 15 centuries before?
3. "Pick Christianity!.. We Killed fewer in the 20th century!" LOL
@apostatanus As far as I know, he was a Roman Catholic. But there are some who claim there is documentary evidene that Hitler had plans to destroy the Catholic Church and all religion. I haven't seen it, but I conceded his "atheism" just for the sake of the argument in this video.
Well, I doubt christians feel threatened by thinking hitler was an atheist when it comes to modern day atheists, since none of us seem to go out killing ppl.
Debates in political arguments also, some socialists did evil, therefore all socialists are evil, hitler is thrown out there for the same.
But I am sure there are debates on wether we should consider them socialists or not..
HOWEVER, for sake of conversation, even if hitler WAS a socialist, discrediting socialism simply for that. Would be like discrediting the constitution because it was written by slave owners.
Though I've considered this argument before, your video inspired a new question for me. If a non-Christian tells a Christian to commit a sin and it is done, the sin would be forgiven and if the sin was forgiven, then the non-Christian shouldn't be held responsible for the results of the action either. Therefore, Hitler can only be responsible for the murders committed when the entire line of delegation was non-Christian..
It doesn't matter much whether a criminal is christian or atheist or whatever. What matters is whether the person's crime is inspired or catalyzed or aided by his religion.
Now, atheism has no dogmas, no teachings, no holy books, no churches, no congregations. It is impossible to do something in the name of atheism or be inspired by atheism, which is essentially nothing.
On the other hand christianity, islam and other religions..
@d3st88 "Now, atheism has no dogmas" That cuts both ways. While atheism doesn't advocate criminality, it also doesn't advocate good citizenship. After all, if there's no God, and an atheist thinks he or she is clever enough to evade human authority, why not steal/kill/rape/etc.?
I understand what you are saying. You imply that the fear of divine retribution and celestial judgement or karma or whatever might hold criminals back.
You are right, atheism doesn't advocate good citizenship - or anything else at all, however, the "lack of god = moral void" is a faulty concept.
@d3st88 You mean "higher" animals like chimps that throw feces at each other for fun? Lions that systematically kill cubs that were sired by other lions? Etc. You need to read some "stuff" yourself.
You really think so highly about yourself, do you. You are the apple of god's eye, the crown of creation, yet it is humans who bring the most suffering for their own kind. It is humans who continuously lay destruction on each other. We live in a world where man hates man, where precious humans fling feces at each other - most of them religious, most of the acts inspired by religion itself, by suspension of critical thinking and willful ignorance to facts.
@d3st88 "You really think so highly about yourself, do you." LOL, I dare to criticize your ideas, so that means "I really think so highly about (my)self?" Here's an idea: adopt some ideas you can logically defend, or STFU.
No, you think highly about yourself, because you seem unable to accept the fact that there is nothing godly about you, that you are not of celestial origin. You seem unable to wrap your head around the relation between humans and primates, or other animals.
"We emerged from microbes and muck. Apes are our cousins. Our thoughts and feelings are not fully under our own control."
The good book is full of vile bullshit, from jesus being fine with slavery, to jews killing egyptians, god telling the reader to kill their misbehaving children, fags, adulterers, women who aren't virgins on their wedding nights, women who have been raped, etc, etc. One could go for hours or days about the evil in the bible, but for some reason christians tend to skip most of these parts.
@kmsoileau you're right, the philosophy of atheism doesn't give us much when it comes to ideas about morality. it is a philosophy dealing with the supernatural (or there lack of). However, a moral person need not believe in god in order to do the right/fair/equal/correct/good/best thing. In fact, people can believe in God and have completely different moral philosophies. For instance, ought we do what is right or what is best? You don't have to invoke God to answer the question.
@justaphilosophy "However, a moral person need not believe in god in order to do the right/fair/equal/correct/good/best thing." And what defines the "right/fair/equal/correct/good/best thing"? And if I don'y agree with your definition, by what authority do you insist that I conform to your moral code?
@justaphilosophy There is no "philosophy of atheism" per se. Atheism is a disbelief in deity. Atheists are as diverse in their philosophical beliefs as any other people. Atheists are also as moral as any other people. All human beings possess a sense of empathy in more or less degree. That, plus their social nature, makes them wish, in general at least, to cooperate. Personal philosophies differ among atheists as among believers of whatever stripe.
@kmsoileau AtheISM doesn't advocate anything at all. It is not an ISM in the same sense that CotholicISM is. Atheism is merely the lack of a belief in deity. Every atheist is different from every other atheist. The only thing they share is the lack of a dogmatic belief. Atheists in general get their morals from the same place everyone else does - from custom. The word "moral" derives from a Latin word meaning "custom." The word "ethical" comes from the Greek "ethos," which means the same thing.
Hitler invoked god for his vile agenda, he might've been inspired by christian stories and teachings, but thanks to these invocations his ideas were able to resonate better amongst christians, more 95% of nazi Germany was christian, etc, etc.
One could go on, but it is clear that the "BUT HITLER WAS AN AETHIST!!!44" argument is completely retarded.
The Stalin and the rest of the usual crew arguments are rather easily refutable as well - with facts and reason, but how will you reason with a person who defies reason, what facts will you present to a person who doesn't value facts.. And somebody who doesn't see the problem with the bible having multiple different resurrection stories isn't really good at reasoning, one who believes the earth is 6k years old doesn't really value facts.
The authoritarian aspect of christianity and its christian society and why communism with its dictators and national socialism with its dictators got so powerful was also discussed by Christopher Hitchens. Great video again Largo64 and nice to point out the christian aspects of the Third Reich and its Führer and army. =)
@SicSeb Hitch said it better than I did, but, yes, he pointed out that Hitler was (at least appeared to his people to be) a Christian, and not an atheist.
You need to study both sides. the christian belief (true christianity) not the religious side but the believing side, is that evil is the absense of good. an athiest will never get this
@gabbe7 "True" Christianity tells you to obey your earthly masters, because rulers are either placed or permitted by god himself. Under that dictum, Christians were bound to follow Hitler's orders whether they agreed with them or not, expecting that "the Lord" would take care of it all eventually, and that they would be forgiven because they were obeying orders.
@mrtadreamer Look how your beliefs make you look down on other people. Is that your Christian love, Islamic peace, or something else? Wherever you have learned that, the people who taught you to think like that sure know what love and respect is, and that is what religion is all about.. right?
@mrtadreamer Atheism is nothing more or less than the lack of belief in any god. There is nothing degrading in that. I would bet that you know, and like, some atheists. I'm sure that, if you do, you don't know that they are atheists, because many atheists hide that fact about themselves. They know that they are despised by many, merely because they don't share a belief in deity.
@Largo64 Regardless of excuses, turning one's back on the God who made them is the ultimate high treason a human being can commit, the most vile sin possible.
@mrtadreamer You are assuming that a god did make them. Atheists don't share that belief with you. It is clear that you will never reconcile with people who don't share your belief, because you are convinced that their simple lack of belief is a "sin."
@Largo64 Whether an atheist agrees or not make no difference. We will never reconcile with sin, that would be high treason too. Unbelief is no simple matter. It will cut you off from anything genuinely good and right, because the wages of sin is still death whether anyone thinks so or not.
@d3st88 Not to you perhaps, but that's the problem with sin. It blinds its practitioners and makes them think everything is OK until they realize what it's doing to them and they repent, or go deeper into it until it's too late.
Right, don't you dare to call me (or anyone else) a sinner, because some fantastic zombie jew killed himself on some cross ages ago, or because some imaginary talking snake got some naked hippies to defy their evil, unjust and fucktarded creator.
I'm sorry, but your delusions are not well received at all.
@d3st88 Sorry, but that's the way it is. Romans 3:22-24 (King James Version)
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. That goes for all of us, like it or not, including me. The difference is I've availed myself of His remedy for the problem.
Darling, I can quote from the bible too. In fact, I think I'm more familiar with it than you.
23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.
@d3st88 Excellent choice. God didn't didn't say, "What, you're cursing them, Elisha? Chill out, man. They're just children. Ignore them and they will tire of the joke. You were a kid once, too." No, this brutal and monstrous god caused 42 children to be killed, because they were behaving like what they were - children. With that as an example, the next time someone flips you off in traffic, you can ask god to cause them to have a fatal accident. No doubt they are worthy of death, right?
Indeed. I forgot to add it's from 2 Kings 2:23, but the bible is full of these stories and evil commandments that clearly show that the core of christianity is rotten, the god of the bible is wicked and christians who hold the good book in high regard suffer from some kind of serious cognitive dissonance.
@d3st88 Nothing happens in a vacuum. Flip the light switch off, you get darkness. When you turned you backs on the God Who made you that's what you did to yourselves.
1 John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.Psalm 119:130 (Amplified Bible)
130The entrance and unfolding of Your words give light; their unfolding gives understanding (discernment and comprehension) to the simple.
I have no clue how vacuum comes in. It's rather offtopic. Anyways, vacuum is NOT nothing. I suggest you to brush up your physics a bit, for vacuum is full of stuff. For starters I would suggest you Lawrence Krauss' video called A universe from nothing.
@d3st88 What am I doing? Simply bearing witness to the truth. Take it or leave it. Do I hate people? No but like God I hate evil and love righteousness, but the spirit of the beast won't let you see that. It's called the spirit of anti-christ.
As for the fellow in the video. God Himself has a question for him an his.
Job 38:3-5 (New King James Version) 3 Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 “ Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it?
Was he there to witness what we know by the Word of God? Hardly. But he does have his theories.
Oh and, I see you like to throw around bible passages. Well here's one from numbers 31, where Moses commands his pals to kill an entire city, commit genocide, infanticide and mass rape:
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves
You gotta love the good morals of the good book. YEEEEHAW! PRAISE DA LO'D.
@d3st88 This is your true condition. When you turned you backs on Him you opened yourselves to darkness, so everywhere you look you "see" evil. To you God is evil, His Word is evil, you look into it and 'see" only evil instead of truth.
That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! 20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! For you it's Alice through the looking glass 21Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
@d3st88 For you, "We are the "Brights" but you are others are morons, stupid, uneducated. Romans 1:24-25 (New King James Version)
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie,
@d3st88 "All those deluded F**ktard religious fantics are gone at last! We have the place to ourselves to do whatever we want with no one not even God to tell us what we should or should not do.!" but it's also written,Psalm 9:17 (King James Version) 17The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. For few short years, everything as if the golden age of mankind is here at last. You will unite your hatred for God under one man who will bw worshiped as god.
@d3st88 The blasphemy and hatred for God you now enjoy will be fully released as you give yourselves to him. All hell will then break loose and you will curse the God Who has control of the disasters overtaking the earth, but most of you will not repent just as will will not now. You still won't get it because,Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
@Largo64 I totally understand your emotional reaction to the story of Elisha. But let's look at it from a purely logical, unemotional perspective. Your argument seems to go like this:
1. The God of the Bible did things that I would not do if I were a God.
2. Any God that exists would do things that I would do, were I a God.
3. Therefore, there cannot be a God.
Premise 2 has no rational or logical support at all, so the conclusion (3), is also highly suspect.
@Largo64 I said "Your argument seems to go like this:" Note that I said SEEMS. It wasn't a straw man, it was my impression of your position. Naturally, I'm happy to receive your correction. No need to get testy, my friend.
God bless you all. Remember your fellow human beings this Easter / Earth day weekend. I left a video response i think is worth observing. I met many respectable atheists in my time, but of late i have noticed more ignorance and hate speech from the left wing radical atheists than from any other group of people. That is not to say i find all atheists that way, but there is certainly a significant amount of fear mongering hateful and ignorant atheists. Glad to see you are a reasonable one. Thanx.
Radical atheists. Did they blow up a church or a skyscraper? Maybe they made you pay atheist taxes, like christians do in the US?
By ignorance you mean when we try to point out to the batshittery of your dogmas and beliefs, like how the bible has multiple different and contradictory stories about the resurrection - THE VERY CORE DOGMA OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH?
By fearmongering you mean pointing out the destructivity of the YEC movement or christian science? Yeah, right.
@d3st88 LOL - happy easter and god bless you. By radical atheists i am more or less referring to the communist atheists in other countries that kill a christian every 3 minutes for their beliefs. And the many left wingers in america that would do the same thing if it wasn't for jail time and the 2nd ammendment. Thank you.
Agreed. That's like saying all christians are exactly like Fred Phelps and The Westboro Baptist Church of hate. Christians don't want to be compared to Fred Phelps and his church of hate, yet they see nothing wrong with lumping ALL Atheist into one category.
@GenericChristJesus I actually know fred phelps. He's not a christian and has admitted it several times. His family abuses the freedom of speech and freedom of religion concepts we have in america to engage in frivilous lawsuits. He does not believe in god i know the man personally. They do very well, saddly, making money with their abuse of our American rights.
@SupremeAmerican Fred Phelps and his daughter, Shirley Phelps-Roper are both attorneys. They know very well how to skirt the law and abuse it for their own purposes. Whether they believe in god or not, they are hateful and evil people.
@GenericChristJesus There are good and bad people in all parts of society. That's one of the points of this video - that all atheists are not bad because some are, That applies as well to Christians, Muslims, Jews, or any other group within society as a whole. People should be judged individually by their own actions, not as groups.
@Largo64 I understand that, I really do. I just thought I'd point that out because I constantly have to deal with christians telling me all Atheist are evil because of Hitler,Stalin,etc. Believe me, I realize there are some extremely evil Atheist out there as there are extremely evil christians,jews,muslims,etc.
The strong church in all Europe and Russia had control over the populations minds and will, they where and still are a strong power that any totalitarian leader would need to come to terms or eradicate.
A church can be destroyed, but the religion and the beliefs after a life time of indoctrination cannot. now after 60 years Russia has only 15% atheists.
Russia was never atheist not even under communism.
My leader Berlusconi is a catholic pedophile, this doesn't make me a catholic or a pedophile.
@saintpine The Russian KGB had succesfully infiltrated the church many times, they are very unfriendly to biblical christianity. THere are several documentaries about this. Quite an amazing piece of human history if u ask me.
@SupremeAmerican The official policy of the Soviet Union was anti-religious. But the Russian Orthodox Church operated under ground for the approximately 70 years of the Soviet rule, and sprang right up when the Soviet Union collapsed. They were never gone. The Soviets, as a ruling cadre, were never in the majority. The same is true of the Communists in China. Religion has been officially suppressed since the days of Mao, but Most Chinese people are religious in one form or another.
Largo didn't you know that atheists who behave morally actually know in their heart that God is real, and Christians who behave immorally are closet atheists.
Evil doesn't apply to Atheists. How can it? Why do some Atheists believe in such a thing like evil? Evil is a construct by religions (mostly the Abrahamic). There is good and bad and then there is good and evil.
@danieljliversLXXXIX To me, evil is just a label for bad. As an atheist I can call someone evil but that is not in a religious context. I even 'celebrate' Christmas, to me it has a different meaning, nothing religious but its a nice time to get together with the family and have a good time. I even have a christmas tree every year, just for cozy feeling reasons. Many religious traditions have just become part of culture, and yes atheists also participate, but might have different feelings with it
@OhReallyNoWai I still celebrate Christmas and Thanksgiving with my family also. I haven't considered myself a Christian for many years, nor are most of my family, but we keep those traditions alive for the sake of family celebration. There's nothing religious in either of them for us. Rather, they are an excuse to get together, sometimes from long distances.
@danieljliversLXXXIX You would only be correct if there were a god that defined good and bad (evil). The god of the bible claimed he created both, and therefore reserved the right to say which was which. I think there are more intrinsic qualities of good and evil (bad), that manifest themselves in human behavior without any god being necessary to define them. Good is what benefits or aids people. Bad, or evil, is what harms or impedes them.
@Largo64 Bad and Evil are two different things that applies to different things. Bad implies a more concrete and worldly condition, whilst Evil implies a more other-worldy condition. Things like good and bad and good and evil only exist in our human sphere. Not in nature. Good is what benifits people? Why? Simply because it's "good?"
@danieljliversLXXXIX Even if you are correct, the "other worldly" creator of evil, according to the bible, is god himself. If a supernatural deity created both good and evil, and he defines which is which, then calling him good has no meaning at all. He could as easily reverse them and he would still be correct. They are only values because they refer to human beings and their needs. For animals lacking the power of reason, good and evil mean nothing.
@Largo64 You're just repeating what I already said. Athists don't have a concept of another world so why should the term evil still be used? For hyperbole? Reason is only a secondary attrabution of humans, before the instinctual Passions.
Sadly even Atheists aren't above moralizing everything.
@danieljliversLXXXIX We disagree on definitions. To me, bad and evil are two words for the same thing, one more intense than the other. The point of the video was not to define evil, but to point out the wrong in trying to lay the evil of a man like Hitler on all other people who are atheists (IF he was an atheist). If you got that, why the philosophizing over terms? Hitler, to my mind, was not merely bad, but evil, and I dislike the association some theists hang on all atheists in his name.
@Largo64 Because as language-users it helps to refer to things directly and not in euphemism and it still saddens me that Atheists can't get out of the moral bubble. How would you meauser things against good, bad, and evil? If one does something you consider wrong then it's bad, but if they do something to extreme then it's evil? What if it's just a tad bit off from being evil? Is it still in the bad range? What if it goes even father then evil? Do you have a word for that?
@Largo64 To me, the difference between "bad" and "evil" is, when we say that something is "bad", we are not making a moral judgment, but when we say it is "evil", we are making such a judgment. For example, we might say the weather is bad, but it makes no sense to say that the weather is evil.
@kmsoileau >>For example, we might say the weather is bad, but it makes no sense to say that the weather is evil.<<
Put like that, I see your point. But when you say someone is a bad man, don't you mean essentially the same thing as "evil man"? English is so complex that it's easy to get bogged down in semantics. It's a wonder some times that people ever understand each other. Perhaps they don't!
"The Church regularly supported and encouraged pogroms throughout their history." Let's keep our focus on the present, shall we? There is a distinction between the official policies and doctrines of the Church, and the misdeeds of various officials within it. Your fallacy is rather like a modern day Black Panther saying that the US government endorses slavery of black people.
Blaming and killing Jews was official policy for centuries. In fact, if were not for 1500 years of The Church railing against Jews, I suspect that no holocaust would have ever occured.
@kmsoileau It was an official policy of the Catholic Church to murder Jews until the 20th century. The Church only used the holocaust as a way to try and convert them.
@Largo64 You are correct that Christianity, literally followed, naturally acclimates a society to except authoritarian rule, and that Christianity, as expressed in the Bible, is in fact inimical to democracy (Romans 13:1-3). Paul in Romans is obviously referring to kings and emperors, not to representative democracies, because that is what he and Israel were subject to. So when Christian conservatives say that our democracy is based on Christian teaching, they are LYING or are IGNORANT!
@alphacause According to Romans 13, Hitler, alike with all other rulers, was given, or at least allowed that position by god, and therefore was to be respected and obeyed. This is where the"divine right of kings" came from.
"Paul in Romans is obviously referring to kings and emperors, not to representative democracies, because that is what he and Israel were subject to."
Actually Rome was the first really great Republic. Sure some Greek cities were democratic, but Rome is where we get the word Senate from. Having a Caesar rule Rome was a brand new thing. Rome was a republic for 200 years before Julius Caesar. Paul would have been very familiar with elected offices like the Senate & Consuls ( a dual presidency).
I like your conciseness Largo :D AND YOU SUPPORT YOUR VIEWS!! Ppl can learn from this. Make a claim, find supporting evidence, be able to rule out alternative explanations. All in 3 mins.
@paultoronto42 I don't know how iPad works, but if it requires imbedding, I have that disabled. I had problems early on with people taking videos of mine and imbedding them in their own blogs without attribution. I discovered that when a video I had removed was still floating around. I just don't want that to happen again.
Communist systems have more in common with organized religion. Both have doctrines, personality cults, demand blind submission, and death camps are Hell's equivalent. The only reason communist leaders didnt allow any religion in their country is for the same reason Christians have the 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me' in their commandments. Why have people worshipping an invisible guy, if they can worship you as a leader? Look at NKorea, Kim Il Sung is their Jesus, Juche their Bible
OhReallyNoWai 2 weeks ago
@OhReallyNoWai North Korea, quite obviously, isn't actually a Communist country, anymore than a psychopath torturing people to death is actually a Christian.
Thimbledunk 2 weeks ago
Even Stalin wasn't an atheist. When the Nazis marched towards Moskau he had relics or icons flown around in airplanes to save him.
Kynos1 2 weeks ago
Good vid.. I like it. You got a point. Think about it.. The biggest mass killer, who killed ALL human life, and not just a part of it, is God. And the followers of that same god take the worst examples of atheists and rub it in our face.. Double standard.
Ranokian 2 weeks ago
Brilliant! Thank you!
julzabro 2 weeks ago
Why do evil people have no sense of humour?
Thimbledunk 2 weeks ago
there is no such thing a evil
KingBrettx 3 weeks ago
Some priests have raped children, therefor all priests are child rapists (just trow back this argument, to show them how laughable this argument is)
Temuldjin 1 month ago
hitler was catholic i read his book mein kampf
Clyde200k 1 month ago
@Clyde200k He also referred to his Catholic faith many times in speeches. His first officiual treaty with a foreign power was the concordat with the Roman Catholic Church.
Largo64 1 month ago
but many christains are evil for example: shirley phelps
jogoslogo 2 months ago
@jogoslogo Of course, I'm in no position to judge, but in my opinion she's no Christian either. She's just evil. In her case, it's genetic.
Largo64 2 months ago
@jogoslogo Many, but certainly not all. I know many myself who are wonderful people. I think they are deluded (not delusional - that's different), but they are good and sincere people
Largo64 1 month ago
Hitler wasn't an Atheist, he started to believe he was a god....
MrJoker246 3 months ago
People who commit hate crimes against gays are usually Christians. Members of the KKK who killed blacks were also Christians.
wonbyamile19 3 months ago
@wonbyamile19 while you are correct I wish to point out an amusing side note about Christians who use their "faith" as an excuse for their hate crimes... there were at least two Black African popes during the history of the papacy.
FanaticStarWars 4 weeks ago
What is wrong with being evil anyways?
DejaPoo909 4 months ago
The most fundamentalist evangelical is 99% as athiest as me. I just go one god further.
1Beaker2 4 months ago
why are atheists mysanthropes?
mrtadreamer 5 months ago
@mrtadreamer Who says they are misanthropes? Atheists I know are no more likely to hate people than anyone else is. Atheists merely reject the idea of a god or gods.
Largo64 5 months ago
@Largo64 Atheists who write on youtube seem, intuitively, to be far more likely to disparage, insult, call stupid, treat as children and childish etc. religious believers, than the average person, and then justifiy it by saying 'but they ARE stupid and childish!' And then claim to be rational, scientific thinkers, lol. There again, intuition can't be put in a testtube and measured, so maybe I'm wrong.
Thimbledunk 2 weeks ago
@Thimbledunk Here you tar all atheists with the same brush, and that's just not fair. Granted SOME atheists (one who calls himself "amazing" is an example) do that, but I don't think you will find that attitude in any of my videos. I prefer reasoned discourse to flaming. Not that I can't flame back in comments when attacked. Those are individuals, though, and I don't accuse all Christians of behaving that way.
Largo64 2 weeks ago
@Largo64 Well, I didn't say 'all'atheists - I'm making a general observation. I also note that many atheists make insulting, personal comments but insist that they don't - for example, using terms like 'sky fairie' etc. - reducing religion to childish-isms - implies something about the mental maturity of religous believers; a very roundabout sort of insult. I'm sorry I don't know if you've done that - I assume you haven't, from what you've said.
Thimbledunk 2 weeks ago
@Thimbledunk I see, you're not saying "all," but making a generalization. Got it! As for calling god a sky fairy, or the biblical stories fairy tales, if you choose to be insulted by another's opinion that's too bad. Why do you assume that it's your right never to be insulted? I get abuse from believers every day. I've come to expect it.
Largo64 2 weeks ago
@Thimbledunk Religious believers aren't necessarily mentally immature nor stupid, but most ARE indoctrinated at a time when their critical faculties have not had the chance to develop. I know some few who accepted religious belief as adults. I don't think they are stupid, but I really have a hard time understanding how they could have been convinced. One very good friend and I argue over religion often. I wouldn't dream of demeaning her in any way, but I do share my disbelief and reasons for it.
Largo64 2 weeks ago
@Largo64 You just demeaned here there - only, you don't recognise it, and you're probably annoyed at the suggestion.You're reducing people to their child-state awareness, and implying that they are 'stuck' in that level of critical awareness - which is a roundabout way of infanticising them and stealing their right to be taken as rational, self aware beings. The fact that atheists see doing this as 'logical' argument is fascinating.
Thimbledunk 2 weeks ago
@Largo64 Conversely, what makes you think generalisations are always bad or invalid? They're a tool that can be used usefully, or badly - as in 'most religious people are stupid'. As for abuse, I did't say it was wrong to abuse, or wimpy to object to it. My point is closer to noting the 'general tendency' to characterise people who think differently as idiots, or childish - or immoral - and that these might display a failure to recognise reality over dogma and rhetoric.
Thimbledunk 2 weeks ago
@mrtadreamer no wonder they're mysanthropes.
mrtadreamer 5 months ago
There's really not much point in explaining to a religious person how a syllogism works. They don't believe based on reasoning. They are by definition irrational because they prefer faith to reason. No point.
WalterLiddy 5 months ago
@WalterLiddy You make a good point. Of course, futility never stopped me!
Largo64 5 months ago
Lets name all the bad religious people by their standards (e.g. Genocide, war, rape etc). Oh looky here Jacob and Moses are on the list. Now why doesn't that surprise me.
MrNintoku 6 months ago
Some Christians did evil, therefore Christianity is evil
forlorndivinity 6 months ago
It's almost as though you ignore facts and make absurd claims. Than you justify it as a mysterious conspiracy and expect people to take you seriously. Wait, I just summed up your video.
ChrisArmishstrongish 6 months ago
@ChrisArmishstrongish You summed up your own thoughts, not my video. You are entitled to your thoughts. You're also entitled to mine!
Largo64 6 months ago
Oh my. Words cannot express how deeply sick to death I am of this so-called argument. It is beyond tiresome. The warped thinking is beyond me. It always struck me how they always talk about the 'atrocities of the 20th century' specifically; completely ignoring the previous 1800 years of dogmatic brutality. WOW I cant help getting frustratingly mad every time they go to this as if they have just hands down proven God's very existence. It's just asinine. The ignorance is just astounding.
2eelShmeal 7 months ago
MAO
POT
STALIN
HITLER
MUSSOLINI
Not ONE of those men were or are American. Not ONE!
Myytmovies 7 months ago
@Myytmovies What's your point? No, they were not Americans. The point of this video was that some people say because these horrible people were atheists, that means that ALL atheists are immoral. Atheists are individuals, like everybody else. Anyway, Hitler was not an atheist, but a Roman Catholic, and Mussolini probably was, too. Staliin was schooled in a seminary, although his government was officially ah atheist. I don't know about Mao or Pol Pot. It doesn't matter what they were, though.
Largo64 7 months ago
@Largo64 First, I am an atheist. Secondly, I'm saying they weren't American because when ever someone says they're an atheist in america, Theists bring these men up and use them as an excuse that being godless is evil. I know Hitler was not an atheist, but if he was, that doesn't mean he was evil because of Atheism. Mussolini was in fact an atheist, but was he evil because he was one, or was he evil because he was bald? or Italian definitely not. Was Stalin evil because he was Russian? Also Not
Myytmovies 7 months ago
@Myytmovies We seem to be on the same page.
Largo64 7 months ago
@Myytmovies "Mussolini was in fact an atheist"
What a strange atheist, many rather believe he wasn't a god Catholic, thanks to this asshole, he created the Vatican andwe still are living under the Lateran Treaty he made with the Catholic Church in 1929.
The Catholic Church is financed by the state, has full and exclusive religious rights in public schools, we have crucifixes in every classroom and state office.
I will be having a crucifix on my death bed whether I like or not.
saintpine 6 months ago
no, all man is evil no matter what title you hide behind. the difference is, atheists have convinced themselves that they'll get away with it as the God-fearing man isn't to weak & cowardly to admit his willful evil like the psychopathic cratheist.
blattt188 7 months ago
what people fail to realize is that killing is one thing. killing in the name of something is entirely different. all of the murders in the history of theist factions were because their victims were not of the same faction. but i cannot find any data supporting the idea that atheists have murdered because their victims believed in a god. nor can i find any data showing that they refrained from killing atheists because they were 'on the same non-belief team' - unlike the religious
GodsArePeopleToo 9 months ago
Fling?
Matur1n 9 months ago
@Matur1n I'm sorry, but I don't get the question. Your one word post was "Fling?" What does that mean?
Largo64 9 months ago
@Largo64 "Your one word post was "Fling?" What does that mean?"
It is from your written description of the video. The visual image of Christians "flinging" Hitler at you struck me as funny. Try to visualize a picture of that.
Matur1n 9 months ago
@Matur1n I see now. I guess I could have said "throw," but was trying to be more colorful. ;^)
Largo64 9 months ago
Like the church would allow an atheist come to power.
connerjd 10 months ago
@connerjd Interesting point, and it supports my assertion that Hitler was a Roman Catholic and not an atheist. Most Germans of that day were Catholics, and would have followed the direction of their church. I only agreed to the atheist charge regarding Hitler for the sake of the argument. I know he declared himself to be a Catholic.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 He never renounced his Catholic beliefs. Not all christians claim that he was an atheist. some christians realize that he was Catholic.
connerjd 10 months ago
@connerjd I didn't say he had renounced his Catholic beliefs. I said that I would accept that premise for the sake of this argument. Many people who hate atheists have used Hitler, calling him an atheist in an attempt to tar all atheists with the same brush. I was taking issue with that idea. Oh, and you must know that no small number of conservative Christians would say that, as a Catholic, he also was no Christian. That's not for them to say, of course.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 I was just making a statement when I said he never renounced. I understand why you were making the argument. They also mention Stalin as an attack on all atheists. One again, I am just making a statement.
connerjd 10 months ago
@connerjd No problem. I misunderstood you.
Largo64 9 months ago
@Largo64 No problem. We are all human.
connerjd 9 months ago
@connerjd-- Hitler was neither atheist nor catholic, he was some sort of fuzzy theist with some mysticism thrown in.
Matur1n 9 months ago
@Matur1n Yes, I wouldn't be surprised.
connerjd 9 months ago
Ah yes the old classic, the "We killed fewer" form of apologetics. Gotta love it. I've always wondered why Christians think this is a good argument.
1. If atheists killed 10 billion people it in no way proves Christianity.
2. Notice the argument is always based on the 20th century, IE: "Atheists are responsible for millions of deaths in the 20th century"... blah blah blah ... ad nauseam.. What about the 15 centuries before?
3. "Pick Christianity!.. We Killed fewer in the 20th century!" LOL
2eelShmeal 10 months ago
@2eelShmeal Good points.
connerjd 10 months ago
@connerjd thanx...
2eelShmeal 10 months ago
As far as I know Hitler was not an Atheist - or have i got something wrong?
apostatanus 10 months ago
@apostatanus As far as I know, he was a Roman Catholic. But there are some who claim there is documentary evidene that Hitler had plans to destroy the Catholic Church and all religion. I haven't seen it, but I conceded his "atheism" just for the sake of the argument in this video.
Largo64 10 months ago
Well, I doubt christians feel threatened by thinking hitler was an atheist when it comes to modern day atheists, since none of us seem to go out killing ppl.
GodsDontExist 10 months ago
Debates in political arguments also, some socialists did evil, therefore all socialists are evil, hitler is thrown out there for the same.
But I am sure there are debates on wether we should consider them socialists or not..
HOWEVER, for sake of conversation, even if hitler WAS a socialist, discrediting socialism simply for that. Would be like discrediting the constitution because it was written by slave owners.
thefakeyeti 10 months ago
@thefakeyeti Good point.
Largo64 10 months ago
that is like saying all old people are cranky
maciolek1980 10 months ago
@maciolek1980 I'm only cranky sometimes. ;^)
Largo64 10 months ago
Though I've considered this argument before, your video inspired a new question for me. If a non-Christian tells a Christian to commit a sin and it is done, the sin would be forgiven and if the sin was forgiven, then the non-Christian shouldn't be held responsible for the results of the action either. Therefore, Hitler can only be responsible for the murders committed when the entire line of delegation was non-Christian..
8WholeThing 10 months ago
@8WholeThing
It doesn't matter much whether a criminal is christian or atheist or whatever. What matters is whether the person's crime is inspired or catalyzed or aided by his religion.
Now, atheism has no dogmas, no teachings, no holy books, no churches, no congregations. It is impossible to do something in the name of atheism or be inspired by atheism, which is essentially nothing.
On the other hand christianity, islam and other religions..
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 "Now, atheism has no dogmas" That cuts both ways. While atheism doesn't advocate criminality, it also doesn't advocate good citizenship. After all, if there's no God, and an atheist thinks he or she is clever enough to evade human authority, why not steal/kill/rape/etc.?
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau
I understand what you are saying. You imply that the fear of divine retribution and celestial judgement or karma or whatever might hold criminals back.
You are right, atheism doesn't advocate good citizenship - or anything else at all, however, the "lack of god = moral void" is a faulty concept.
First of all,
People have inner moral drives.
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 "People have inner moral drives." Do you have any proof of this? It sounds like speculative BS to me.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau
Yes. Read scientific journals, university papers and stuff. In fact, even some animals have morals.
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 You mean "higher" animals like chimps that throw feces at each other for fun? Lions that systematically kill cubs that were sired by other lions? Etc. You need to read some "stuff" yourself.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau
You really think so highly about yourself, do you. You are the apple of god's eye, the crown of creation, yet it is humans who bring the most suffering for their own kind. It is humans who continuously lay destruction on each other. We live in a world where man hates man, where precious humans fling feces at each other - most of them religious, most of the acts inspired by religion itself, by suspension of critical thinking and willful ignorance to facts.
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 "You really think so highly about yourself, do you." LOL, I dare to criticize your ideas, so that means "I really think so highly about (my)self?" Here's an idea: adopt some ideas you can logically defend, or STFU.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau
No, you think highly about yourself, because you seem unable to accept the fact that there is nothing godly about you, that you are not of celestial origin. You seem unable to wrap your head around the relation between humans and primates, or other animals.
"We emerged from microbes and muck. Apes are our cousins. Our thoughts and feelings are not fully under our own control."
Watch this:
watch?v=p_naQhynOg0
d3st88 10 months ago
@kmsoileau
Reminds me of the following YouTube video:
watch?v=Vg4AjD1fUaw
d3st88 10 months ago
@kmsoileau
Take christians and the bible for example.
The good book is full of vile bullshit, from jesus being fine with slavery, to jews killing egyptians, god telling the reader to kill their misbehaving children, fags, adulterers, women who aren't virgins on their wedding nights, women who have been raped, etc, etc. One could go for hours or days about the evil in the bible, but for some reason christians tend to skip most of these parts.
d3st88 10 months ago
@kmsoileau
If people would really fear divine retribution they should be out killing people who work on the sabbaths, etc.
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 Lucky for you, you're wrong, because if you were right, you'd already have been killed as an atheist.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau you're right, the philosophy of atheism doesn't give us much when it comes to ideas about morality. it is a philosophy dealing with the supernatural (or there lack of). However, a moral person need not believe in god in order to do the right/fair/equal/correct/good/best thing. In fact, people can believe in God and have completely different moral philosophies. For instance, ought we do what is right or what is best? You don't have to invoke God to answer the question.
justaphilosophy 10 months ago
@justaphilosophy "However, a moral person need not believe in god in order to do the right/fair/equal/correct/good/best thing." And what defines the "right/fair/equal/correct/good/best thing"? And if I don'y agree with your definition, by what authority do you insist that I conform to your moral code?
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@justaphilosophy There is no "philosophy of atheism" per se. Atheism is a disbelief in deity. Atheists are as diverse in their philosophical beliefs as any other people. Atheists are also as moral as any other people. All human beings possess a sense of empathy in more or less degree. That, plus their social nature, makes them wish, in general at least, to cooperate. Personal philosophies differ among atheists as among believers of whatever stripe.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 you put my point in words better than i did
justaphilosophy 10 months ago
@kmsoileau AtheISM doesn't advocate anything at all. It is not an ISM in the same sense that CotholicISM is. Atheism is merely the lack of a belief in deity. Every atheist is different from every other atheist. The only thing they share is the lack of a dogmatic belief. Atheists in general get their morals from the same place everyone else does - from custom. The word "moral" derives from a Latin word meaning "custom." The word "ethical" comes from the Greek "ethos," which means the same thing.
Largo64 10 months ago
@8WholeThing
Hitler invoked god for his vile agenda, he might've been inspired by christian stories and teachings, but thanks to these invocations his ideas were able to resonate better amongst christians, more 95% of nazi Germany was christian, etc, etc.
One could go on, but it is clear that the "BUT HITLER WAS AN AETHIST!!!44" argument is completely retarded.
d3st88 10 months ago
@8WholeThing
The Stalin and the rest of the usual crew arguments are rather easily refutable as well - with facts and reason, but how will you reason with a person who defies reason, what facts will you present to a person who doesn't value facts.. And somebody who doesn't see the problem with the bible having multiple different resurrection stories isn't really good at reasoning, one who believes the earth is 6k years old doesn't really value facts.
d3st88 10 months ago
The authoritarian aspect of christianity and its christian society and why communism with its dictators and national socialism with its dictators got so powerful was also discussed by Christopher Hitchens. Great video again Largo64 and nice to point out the christian aspects of the Third Reich and its Führer and army. =)
SicSeb 10 months ago
@SicSeb Hitch said it better than I did, but, yes, he pointed out that Hitler was (at least appeared to his people to be) a Christian, and not an atheist.
Largo64 10 months ago
glad to see some new material from you good sir!
rednecktrucker1969 10 months ago
Thank you, Largo!!! Make more vids!
SeerSucker1981 10 months ago
You need to study both sides. the christian belief (true christianity) not the religious side but the believing side, is that evil is the absense of good. an athiest will never get this
gabbe7 10 months ago
@gabbe7 "True" Christianity tells you to obey your earthly masters, because rulers are either placed or permitted by god himself. Under that dictum, Christians were bound to follow Hitler's orders whether they agreed with them or not, expecting that "the Lord" would take care of it all eventually, and that they would be forgiven because they were obeying orders.
Largo64 10 months ago
Hey Larry, always good to see another of your videos. You are inspiring me to do another of my own. :)
kmsoileau 10 months ago
If some evil atheists means all atheists are evil then perhaps some false gods means that all gods are false. It's the same method of reasoning.
Chuck1863 10 months ago
@Chuck1863 I know many good people who are atheists. But in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I could believe that all gods are false.
Largo64 10 months ago
Atheism in itself is the most vile evil self degrading level of human degradation a person can descend to.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@mrtadreamer Look how your beliefs make you look down on other people. Is that your Christian love, Islamic peace, or something else? Wherever you have learned that, the people who taught you to think like that sure know what love and respect is, and that is what religion is all about.. right?
OhReallyNoWai 10 months ago
@mrtadreamer Atheism is nothing more or less than the lack of belief in any god. There is nothing degrading in that. I would bet that you know, and like, some atheists. I'm sure that, if you do, you don't know that they are atheists, because many atheists hide that fact about themselves. They know that they are despised by many, merely because they don't share a belief in deity.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 Regardless of excuses, turning one's back on the God who made them is the ultimate high treason a human being can commit, the most vile sin possible.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@mrtadreamer You are assuming that a god did make them. Atheists don't share that belief with you. It is clear that you will never reconcile with people who don't share your belief, because you are convinced that their simple lack of belief is a "sin."
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 Whether an atheist agrees or not make no difference. We will never reconcile with sin, that would be high treason too. Unbelief is no simple matter. It will cut you off from anything genuinely good and right, because the wages of sin is still death whether anyone thinks so or not.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@mrtadreamer
That made no sense at all.
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 Not to you perhaps, but that's the problem with sin. It blinds its practitioners and makes them think everything is OK until they realize what it's doing to them and they repent, or go deeper into it until it's too late.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@mrtadreamer
Right, don't you dare to call me (or anyone else) a sinner, because some fantastic zombie jew killed himself on some cross ages ago, or because some imaginary talking snake got some naked hippies to defy their evil, unjust and fucktarded creator.
I'm sorry, but your delusions are not well received at all.
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 Sorry, but that's the way it is. Romans 3:22-24 (King James Version)
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. That goes for all of us, like it or not, including me. The difference is I've availed myself of His remedy for the problem.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@mrtadreamer
Darling, I can quote from the bible too. In fact, I think I'm more familiar with it than you.
23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 Excellent choice. God didn't didn't say, "What, you're cursing them, Elisha? Chill out, man. They're just children. Ignore them and they will tire of the joke. You were a kid once, too." No, this brutal and monstrous god caused 42 children to be killed, because they were behaving like what they were - children. With that as an example, the next time someone flips you off in traffic, you can ask god to cause them to have a fatal accident. No doubt they are worthy of death, right?
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64
Indeed. I forgot to add it's from 2 Kings 2:23, but the bible is full of these stories and evil commandments that clearly show that the core of christianity is rotten, the god of the bible is wicked and christians who hold the good book in high regard suffer from some kind of serious cognitive dissonance.
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 Nothing happens in a vacuum. Flip the light switch off, you get darkness. When you turned you backs on the God Who made you that's what you did to yourselves.
1 John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.Psalm 119:130 (Amplified Bible)
130The entrance and unfolding of Your words give light; their unfolding gives understanding (discernment and comprehension) to the simple.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@mrtadreamer
I have no clue how vacuum comes in. It's rather offtopic. Anyways, vacuum is NOT nothing. I suggest you to brush up your physics a bit, for vacuum is full of stuff. For starters I would suggest you Lawrence Krauss' video called A universe from nothing.
watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 What am I doing? Simply bearing witness to the truth. Take it or leave it. Do I hate people? No but like God I hate evil and love righteousness, but the spirit of the beast won't let you see that. It's called the spirit of anti-christ.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@d3st88 I do know how clueless you are. I'm aware of hoe the universe began without immersing myself in any part of the lie. Remember Genesis 1:1 ?
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
As for the fellow in the video. God Himself has a question for him an his.
Job 38:3-5 (New King James Version) 3 Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 “ Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it?
Was he there to witness what we know by the Word of God? Hardly. But he does have his theories.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@mrtadreamer
Oh and, I see you like to throw around bible passages. Well here's one from numbers 31, where Moses commands his pals to kill an entire city, commit genocide, infanticide and mass rape:
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves
You gotta love the good morals of the good book. YEEEEHAW! PRAISE DA LO'D.
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 This is your true condition. When you turned you backs on Him you opened yourselves to darkness, so everywhere you look you "see" evil. To you God is evil, His Word is evil, you look into it and 'see" only evil instead of truth.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
Isaiah 5:19-21 (King James Version)
That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it! 20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! For you it's Alice through the looking glass 21Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@d3st88 For you, "We are the "Brights" but you are others are morons, stupid, uneducated. Romans 1:24-25 (New King James Version)
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie,
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@d3st88 "All those deluded F**ktard religious fantics are gone at last! We have the place to ourselves to do whatever we want with no one not even God to tell us what we should or should not do.!" but it's also written,Psalm 9:17 (King James Version) 17The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. For few short years, everything as if the golden age of mankind is here at last. You will unite your hatred for God under one man who will bw worshiped as god.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@d3st88 The blasphemy and hatred for God you now enjoy will be fully released as you give yourselves to him. All hell will then break loose and you will curse the God Who has control of the disasters overtaking the earth, but most of you will not repent just as will will not now. You still won't get it because,Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
mrtadreamer 10 months ago
@Largo64 I totally understand your emotional reaction to the story of Elisha. But let's look at it from a purely logical, unemotional perspective. Your argument seems to go like this:
1. The God of the Bible did things that I would not do if I were a God.
2. Any God that exists would do things that I would do, were I a God.
3. Therefore, there cannot be a God.
Premise 2 has no rational or logical support at all, so the conclusion (3), is also highly suspect.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau This whole post is a classic straw man. YOU claim to make my argument, which you then refute.
1. MOST of the things god did in the bible, I wouldn't do, but I have never said "if I were god."
2. Again, I never made that argument. You just made it up.
3. I also never said there cannot be a god. I said it's unknowable, but that the biblical god is a fable.
The Elisha thing was from another video, about the vile character of the biblical god.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 I said "Your argument seems to go like this:" Note that I said SEEMS. It wasn't a straw man, it was my impression of your position. Naturally, I'm happy to receive your correction. No need to get testy, my friend.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
Right. Only YouTube Atheists are evil people.
SSanf 10 months ago
God bless you all. Remember your fellow human beings this Easter / Earth day weekend. I left a video response i think is worth observing. I met many respectable atheists in my time, but of late i have noticed more ignorance and hate speech from the left wing radical atheists than from any other group of people. That is not to say i find all atheists that way, but there is certainly a significant amount of fear mongering hateful and ignorant atheists. Glad to see you are a reasonable one. Thanx.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican
Radical atheists. Did they blow up a church or a skyscraper? Maybe they made you pay atheist taxes, like christians do in the US?
By ignorance you mean when we try to point out to the batshittery of your dogmas and beliefs, like how the bible has multiple different and contradictory stories about the resurrection - THE VERY CORE DOGMA OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH?
By fearmongering you mean pointing out the destructivity of the YEC movement or christian science? Yeah, right.
d3st88 10 months ago
@d3st88 LOL - happy easter and god bless you. By radical atheists i am more or less referring to the communist atheists in other countries that kill a christian every 3 minutes for their beliefs. And the many left wingers in america that would do the same thing if it wasn't for jail time and the 2nd ammendment. Thank you.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
Agreed. That's like saying all christians are exactly like Fred Phelps and The Westboro Baptist Church of hate. Christians don't want to be compared to Fred Phelps and his church of hate, yet they see nothing wrong with lumping ALL Atheist into one category.
GenericChristJesus 10 months ago
@GenericChristJesus I actually know fred phelps. He's not a christian and has admitted it several times. His family abuses the freedom of speech and freedom of religion concepts we have in america to engage in frivilous lawsuits. He does not believe in god i know the man personally. They do very well, saddly, making money with their abuse of our American rights.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Fred Phelps and his daughter, Shirley Phelps-Roper are both attorneys. They know very well how to skirt the law and abuse it for their own purposes. Whether they believe in god or not, they are hateful and evil people.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 Their whole family are attorneys and do it. One of his kids ran off to california and wont talk to him LOL good for that kid i say
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@GenericChristJesus There are good and bad people in all parts of society. That's one of the points of this video - that all atheists are not bad because some are, That applies as well to Christians, Muslims, Jews, or any other group within society as a whole. People should be judged individually by their own actions, not as groups.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 I understand that, I really do. I just thought I'd point that out because I constantly have to deal with christians telling me all Atheist are evil because of Hitler,Stalin,etc. Believe me, I realize there are some extremely evil Atheist out there as there are extremely evil christians,jews,muslims,etc.
GenericChristJesus 10 months ago
The strong church in all Europe and Russia had control over the populations minds and will, they where and still are a strong power that any totalitarian leader would need to come to terms or eradicate.
A church can be destroyed, but the religion and the beliefs after a life time of indoctrination cannot. now after 60 years Russia has only 15% atheists.
Russia was never atheist not even under communism.
My leader Berlusconi is a catholic pedophile, this doesn't make me a catholic or a pedophile.
saintpine 10 months ago
@saintpine The Russian KGB had succesfully infiltrated the church many times, they are very unfriendly to biblical christianity. THere are several documentaries about this. Quite an amazing piece of human history if u ask me.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican The official policy of the Soviet Union was anti-religious. But the Russian Orthodox Church operated under ground for the approximately 70 years of the Soviet rule, and sprang right up when the Soviet Union collapsed. They were never gone. The Soviets, as a ruling cadre, were never in the majority. The same is true of the Communists in China. Religion has been officially suppressed since the days of Mao, but Most Chinese people are religious in one form or another.
Largo64 10 months ago
@saintpine No regime ever speaks for all its people. Human beings will always be individuals, no matter how "collective" their societies may become.
Largo64 10 months ago
Largo didn't you know that atheists who behave morally actually know in their heart that God is real, and Christians who behave immorally are closet atheists.
TheNakedAtheist 10 months ago
@TheNakedAtheist I can say with certainty that I know what is in my own heart, and that theists don't, and can't.
Largo64 10 months ago
Evil doesn't apply to Atheists. How can it? Why do some Atheists believe in such a thing like evil? Evil is a construct by religions (mostly the Abrahamic). There is good and bad and then there is good and evil.
danieljliversLXXXIX 10 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX To me, evil is just a label for bad. As an atheist I can call someone evil but that is not in a religious context. I even 'celebrate' Christmas, to me it has a different meaning, nothing religious but its a nice time to get together with the family and have a good time. I even have a christmas tree every year, just for cozy feeling reasons. Many religious traditions have just become part of culture, and yes atheists also participate, but might have different feelings with it
OhReallyNoWai 10 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai I still celebrate Christmas and Thanksgiving with my family also. I haven't considered myself a Christian for many years, nor are most of my family, but we keep those traditions alive for the sake of family celebration. There's nothing religious in either of them for us. Rather, they are an excuse to get together, sometimes from long distances.
Largo64 10 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX You would only be correct if there were a god that defined good and bad (evil). The god of the bible claimed he created both, and therefore reserved the right to say which was which. I think there are more intrinsic qualities of good and evil (bad), that manifest themselves in human behavior without any god being necessary to define them. Good is what benefits or aids people. Bad, or evil, is what harms or impedes them.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 Bad and Evil are two different things that applies to different things. Bad implies a more concrete and worldly condition, whilst Evil implies a more other-worldy condition. Things like good and bad and good and evil only exist in our human sphere. Not in nature. Good is what benifits people? Why? Simply because it's "good?"
danieljliversLXXXIX 10 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX Even if you are correct, the "other worldly" creator of evil, according to the bible, is god himself. If a supernatural deity created both good and evil, and he defines which is which, then calling him good has no meaning at all. He could as easily reverse them and he would still be correct. They are only values because they refer to human beings and their needs. For animals lacking the power of reason, good and evil mean nothing.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 You're just repeating what I already said. Athists don't have a concept of another world so why should the term evil still be used? For hyperbole? Reason is only a secondary attrabution of humans, before the instinctual Passions.
Sadly even Atheists aren't above moralizing everything.
danieljliversLXXXIX 10 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX We disagree on definitions. To me, bad and evil are two words for the same thing, one more intense than the other. The point of the video was not to define evil, but to point out the wrong in trying to lay the evil of a man like Hitler on all other people who are atheists (IF he was an atheist). If you got that, why the philosophizing over terms? Hitler, to my mind, was not merely bad, but evil, and I dislike the association some theists hang on all atheists in his name.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 Because as language-users it helps to refer to things directly and not in euphemism and it still saddens me that Atheists can't get out of the moral bubble. How would you meauser things against good, bad, and evil? If one does something you consider wrong then it's bad, but if they do something to extreme then it's evil? What if it's just a tad bit off from being evil? Is it still in the bad range? What if it goes even father then evil? Do you have a word for that?
danieljliversLXXXIX 10 months ago
@Largo64 To me, the difference between "bad" and "evil" is, when we say that something is "bad", we are not making a moral judgment, but when we say it is "evil", we are making such a judgment. For example, we might say the weather is bad, but it makes no sense to say that the weather is evil.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau >>For example, we might say the weather is bad, but it makes no sense to say that the weather is evil.<<
Put like that, I see your point. But when you say someone is a bad man, don't you mean essentially the same thing as "evil man"? English is so complex that it's easy to get bogged down in semantics. It's a wonder some times that people ever understand each other. Perhaps they don't!
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 I would say that all evil things are bad, but not all bad things are evil. But I'm certainly not a philologist, so :)
kmsoileau 10 months ago
Yep, Hitler was a Catholic. And if I'm not mistaken, Pol Pot was a Buddhist.
ProfessorZaroff 10 months ago
"The Church regularly supported and encouraged pogroms throughout their history." Let's keep our focus on the present, shall we? There is a distinction between the official policies and doctrines of the Church, and the misdeeds of various officials within it. Your fallacy is rather like a modern day Black Panther saying that the US government endorses slavery of black people.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau
Blaming and killing Jews was official policy for centuries. In fact, if were not for 1500 years of The Church railing against Jews, I suspect that no holocaust would have ever occured.
kshackleton 10 months ago
@kmsoileau It was an official policy of the Catholic Church to murder Jews until the 20th century. The Church only used the holocaust as a way to try and convert them.
adrenacrumb 10 months ago
@adrenacrumb " It was an official policy of the Catholic Church to murder Jews until the 20th century."
BS.
kmsoileau 10 months ago
Excellent.
falchion49 10 months ago
@Largo64 You are correct that Christianity, literally followed, naturally acclimates a society to except authoritarian rule, and that Christianity, as expressed in the Bible, is in fact inimical to democracy (Romans 13:1-3). Paul in Romans is obviously referring to kings and emperors, not to representative democracies, because that is what he and Israel were subject to. So when Christian conservatives say that our democracy is based on Christian teaching, they are LYING or are IGNORANT!
alphacause 10 months ago
@alphacause According to Romans 13, Hitler, alike with all other rulers, was given, or at least allowed that position by god, and therefore was to be respected and obeyed. This is where the"divine right of kings" came from.
Largo64 10 months ago
"Paul in Romans is obviously referring to kings and emperors, not to representative democracies, because that is what he and Israel were subject to."
Actually Rome was the first really great Republic. Sure some Greek cities were democratic, but Rome is where we get the word Senate from. Having a Caesar rule Rome was a brand new thing. Rome was a republic for 200 years before Julius Caesar. Paul would have been very familiar with elected offices like the Senate & Consuls ( a dual presidency).
Matur1n 9 months ago
counter argument:
hitler was a christian therefor all christians are evil.
if the person stating the argument you could say:
osama bin ladin is a muslim and therefor all muslims are evil.
I swear this argument could be shot down by any 5 year old...
Temuldjin 10 months ago
All Christians are moral and just is also absurd.
Dwicker64 10 months ago
I like your conciseness Largo :D AND YOU SUPPORT YOUR VIEWS!! Ppl can learn from this. Make a claim, find supporting evidence, be able to rule out alternative explanations. All in 3 mins.
shkotay 10 months ago
Great video Larry, but why won't you let people view this video on an iPad?
paultoronto42 10 months ago
@paultoronto42 I don't know how iPad works, but if it requires imbedding, I have that disabled. I had problems early on with people taking videos of mine and imbedding them in their own blogs without attribution. I discovered that when a video I had removed was still floating around. I just don't want that to happen again.
Largo64 10 months ago