Ford needs to do a nation wide tv add campaign like this video. Companies like Allstate,Geico,Progressive and others are cramming down there tv commericals 24/7 fooling the consumer.
Your probably a clone from some body shop association or trade publication. Insurance agents do not take their time up trying to prove themselves wrong, YOUR A FAKE, and you were easily uncovered. Will any real people ever come on here ?
Aftermarket manufacturers do not need insurance companies to sell their parts. Your just a convenience to them. Body shops and repair centers will still buy a/m parts because those parts make them more profit. Those people you claim argued with you about parts probably didn't know anything about a/m or oem parts. They were taking the advice of someone who had an ulterior agenda. I doubt you are really any kind of agent or employee for an insurance company. Your probably masquerading as one .
Interesting take. Especially since us "confidence man", "flim flam" insurance adjusters are the primary reason your beloved aftermarket parts are forced upon unsuspecting claimants and insureds.
Without us "scum", your inferior parts would not sell.
The truth of the matter is, given the choice, customers would rather have original parts. I've had plenty of people argue with me to include original parts in their estimate, but none who have insisted on aftermarket.
There is no such thing as an insurance professional. Today most would use the term confidence man, and in the not so distant past maybe " flim flan" artist. However, I prefer to use a seven letter expletive combined with the word scum to describe your professionalism.
True, no one put me in charge of etiquette. I just find your reactions amusing...vacuous, but amusing. Enough about you.
As for the video, of course imitation, aftermarket parts are inferior. Many of them are made with materials that do not have the same structural integrity. Mild steel will absorb energy differently than ultra high strength steel.
As an insurance professional, I know we write aftermarket parts only because they're cheaper...not equal, just cheaper.
Who are you an adjuster for? I work for a GEICO and depending on what needs to be replaced depends on how it is handled. If it is a structural item or safety item we go with oem only. a/m is only used in apperance and convience items such as fascias or fenders. As far as rebar, absorbers, frame, and inner structure it is oem only.
You don't need to disable comments, if you don't like the comments don't read them and certainly don't add to them. What the companies know and what they want you to know are two separate things. Don't be so gullible.
they really need to disable comments for their videos, because a lot of people out there think they know more than the companies do.... so all you are doing wasting your time, and ours, because they don't give a shit what you guys think.
@BLUClan Everyone that views this fraudulent piece of propaganda needs to give a shit. If your time is so wasted then don't waste it watching this worthless excuse for a sales campaign.
My arguments are presented in a professional,well thought -out manner and people do take me seriously. The cap locks are not yelling but designed to draw attention to my post. It would appear that my mediocre sarcasm and sophomoric name calling worked as planned, since, instead of making your pitch about this video you decided to complain about these things and these things only. By the way, Arthur, no one put you in charge of etiquette,not to my knowledge. But I know your frustrated.
You might command a bit more respect and some credibility, if you didn't have to resort to sophomoric name-calling and mediocre attempts at sarcasm. And the Caps-Lock "yelling", trying to attract attention to your posts.....a bit childish....don't you think?
Present your arguments in professional, well thought-out manner and maybe people will take you seriously.
Incidentally, what type of steel was used in Tiger tanks as compared with the Soviet tanks. I know a Focus or F150 could be supplanted for a Tiger tank any day, but what is the difference for the record. Jeez, the public os so stupid. The Coke-heads at Ford have don it again ! Hurrah !!!!!!
WRONG ONCE AGAIN DIM WIT, A/M replacement parts DO have to meet the same federal requirements as the oems. Body shop associations,trade publications, still doing ford's dirty work for them. Notice how ford does not enter into this conversation. They know better, they have their brain washed puppets do their talking for them. THIS IS A FORD MARKETING SCAM, the idiots spewing this hype just don't know any better. They think it's going to gain them notoriety.
to fix bags is way to expensive any way in conclusion i like oem parts because they fit better and are sturdy but id have to say a/m parts for me they are cheaper and if your car needs a radiator support or bumper and you want oem then go get the bags, air bag sensors, radiator fans and hoses from the dealer and waste your profit or spend more than what the car is worth. after market works just fine if you wreck 1 seat belts 2 airbags(maybe)and the frame will help you your not going
@MOSESJ1987 Be very careful about modifying or removing airbag systems. I would never consider cutting a bag and patching the cover. The liability for those actions is insanely high! Not to mention, you may violate some state and possibly federal laws.
or hood even if i have to sand off the old paint and do a lil straghtning here and there but if i cant a/m works ok too seriously i dont know what ford is trying to do alot of people are going to be hurt if the make the a/m market raise its quality and ultimitely price a/m radiator supports are not as sturdy but i dought its gonna kill you besides when a car needs that the bags have come out and when that happens most people just cut the bag and piece together the vinyl cover it empty
wow take it you have never replaced an air bag before. The actual bags are not as expensive as people think nor is it hard to install just the air bag. 99% of the vehicles are mandated by the manufacturer when a bag deploys that you replace the clock spring, both front sensors, diagnostic unit, and all seat belt tensioners. On top of that have the computer scanned for any other issues and have tem repalced as well. Patching a bag or covering its hole is something most shops wont do
i dont know for sure if a a/m part will throw off crumple zones and airbag timing are if the are less safe but what i can say is dealer parts are better in almost everyway fit form and function when it comes to almost any part so if i had to chose what id want on my car id chosse dealer parts for mechanical and structual hands down then i would try to save money using a/m lens trim and lil things now if its for a car im going to sell ill go to the junkyard first id rather have a oem fender
and the certifit parts almost always are a pain in my side i think ford needs to find a way to drop their prices and untill they do i will most likely use either junkyard or certifit parts because their are crazy its a good part i know but they ask for way to much thats why alot of cars get totaled out there was a 2006 king ranch all it neededwas hood lights grill and it got totaled out because dealer parts are too expensive anyway who knows if they are inferior in an accident setting
headlight when i can get a a/m one for 50 its like that with everything you get what you paid for when you buy a cheap pryamid or roadmaster amp its not going to push like a jl audio 1000.1 its the same thing with the parts of couse fords is better quaility i wouldnt know if it would help you more in a wreck but it is more sturdy and easier to install as for the a/m parts they are inferior in almost every way when you get parts from the dealer they fit easy and flush no mods
look i do all kinds of auto work from minor repair to a/v and custimation to paint and body recently i just got my salvage dealer license and i have been using a/m parts when i have to dealer prices are outrageous on most parts there is a difference i got a 1999 town car that i replaced the bumper and bumper cover i got the bumper from certifit a a/m auto body parts dealer in san antonio and i could see right off the batt the a/m parts suck but there are exceptions i will not pay 250 for a
@MrSae3000 Not really. I have come to the conclusion that you are an uneducated moron who lives within the fantasy of a puny closed mind. If anyone is a pawn in this AM vs OEM parts game, it is you. Reviewing your previous posts only reinforces that opinion. I am sure that you believe within your mind that you hold all of the answers and know more than anyone else. You are mistaken. I tire of attempting intelligent conversations with the ignorant. Best of luck in your endeavors, you'll need it.
No Sir...you have no idea. Problems and dissatisfaction with AM parts have been around much longer than you have, especially at 31, and well before all of these "marketing scams". Dont know who you are and dont really care, You are the one who has been misled by some BS aftermarket supplier /manufacturer hype. You make accusations about matters you know nothing about. You are pathetic, You cannot be reasoned with and you are narrow minded, Crawl back into the hoke from which you came.
You have no idea what is safe or unsafe when it comes to these parts in question. You spew nothing but hype from a preconceived notion fed to you by the authors of this marketing scam. PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THIS BUNK IN THIS FRAUDULENT VIDEO, IT WAS MADE TO MISLEAD YOU.
If both oem and aftermarket replacement parts have to meet the same federal requirements, who's checking to see if ford's offerings are safe ? How do you know they are exactly the same as what the car was manufactured with. What, no one is concerned with that ? Why is that.
@MrSae3000 Oh that would make sense - they want to covertly make money by selling cheap parts, so they would spend a mint to change all their tooling from the quality parts they originally put on the cars to tooling that makes "cheap" parts. That would save a buck!
Would you please think for a moment before you type?
@MrSae3000 I agree with The TorqueMan. OEM parts are tested as installed and meet Federal Safety Standards. When you changes are made to material, design, thickness or most anything with that part, you may change the characteristics of the part. If it is included or affects any safety or structural system of a vehicle, the parts should be tested the same as oem and that the parts meet the same Federal standards. Period. You really should get off the pedistal and look at the big picture.
@MrSae3000 - While OEM parts are crash tested as part of the original construction of the vehicle to meet FMVSS and beyond - Aftermarket Replacement Parts do NOT have to meet any federal requirements and endure no crash testing what so ever in order to be qualified to be sold in the US. What tesing is ever done by the manufacturers of those AM parts is not done as a part of the vehicle - the parts are tested separately in a jig or a ram.
@MrSae3000 You need to review the video again. Both parts are utilized as a a system. Both have rebar deformation. The second clip, reportedly non oem, collapsed. Can you really say that comparing the two, the second would not interfere with timing and function of safety systems not to mention the form and function of the vehicle structure as a whole? It certainly does not appear to be Like, Kind and Quality, and in this instance potentially unsafe. Prove to me otherwise.
If you want to observe the control,watch the rebar behind the absorber, it to is involved in the dissipation of energy. No absorber is a life saver and very doubtful if it attributes any occurrence to the air bag sensor. But we keep getting off the track with our discussion here. What I'm concerned about is one guy callling another guys product unsafe without any evidence what-so-ever.
Seems like more manufacturers are using China made parts as OE. At least I've noticed this with Chevrolet. China has gotten pretty good at copying our products and with the economy consumers as well as automobile manufacturers have to consider using less expensive parts when it makes sense. Sad state of affairs when you find "made in China" sticker on an OE American car part!
@DenLorsTools Parts being produced in other countries has been going on for decades. I remember in the 70's GM castings from Brazil and Mexico. Every year, more and more OE parts are produced offshore. Go to look at the sticker that is affixed to new cars indicating the percentage of US made parts utilized in their production. Welcome to the global economy. Its a sad state of affairs, but another topic entirely.
@MrSae3000 In my humble opinion a controlled deformation and dissipation of energy would be more advantageous than a near instantaneous destruction offering no control whatsoever.
The majority of A/M parts are crap but some are better than others. Dealing with these issues for nearly 20yrs on a daily basis, you can't argue that OEM parts fit better and are better quality. That goes for automotive mechanical to collision to even washer machines!! You also can't deny that people gave died from cheap parts in all industries! OEMs need to keep prices competitive & A/M industry needs to control quality such - as CAPA - which helps instill confidence in using A/M parts- even
You do seriously miss the point. Of course the OEMs want the AM parts to be like theirs. So do the installers and consumers. Its called QUALITY! It has nothing to do with parts cost to the consumer. If the part is truly equal in fit, finish, material and function. THIS IS THE WHOLE ISSUE! I have been using select aftermarket mechanical parts for years. Many AM mechanical parts are crap too. Once you guys start producing a quality product and the BS will end.
Crash testing a bumper support is not a testing program but sawing one with a sawsall is ? And for your information, the oems will be going to court and it will be much more then a challenge for them. Further more, if ford's agenda is to get the aftermarket industry to make their parts more like theirs' in an effort to increase the cost of the aftermarket part so that the price point is more competitive it will never work. If the am part goes up by 20% so will the oe because it's branded .
My statements are based on actual observations and experience, not fantasy or imagination. In answer to the question posed..If the comments and "facts" raised by OEMs are incorrect, not factual or based on innuendo against a competitor, then they should be challenged in court. If these suppliers have issues with fit and finish, then they should correct the issues. Crash testing should be performed of all AM structural parts. Crash testing one bumper reinforcement is not a testing program.
You must be involved in the automobile industry in some way or why would you care ? Notice everyone else on this blog has given up and went running home with their tails between their legs. It's just you and me. When you call their bluff they get real red faced.
My facts are much more public then yours, even though there not my facts. Your facts, by design are fantasy. And that brings up the real question here; Should a company conducting business in the United States of America compete one on one with their competitors or have the right to make unsubstantiated innuendos in an effort to gain popularity to their brand ? Should they have the legal right to do so ?
Looking back at your posts, now I see who and what you are. Spreading untruths?? You should know. You have not been in the field, you have not had to make due with ill-fitting and substandard replacements. Yes, forced....by insurers sacrificing quality to build their profits. I am quite educated and am not imagining anything about the substandard quality of the majority of these parts. Insults only show your overwhelming ignorance. Put your supposed facts to the test and make them public.
ABPA has those results for your viewing, contact them for further assistance. And sir, please educate yourself before acting so foolish. It really hurts your cause.
Your claim of sub-standard is a figment of your uneducated imagination,compounded by the fact that your a little fish in a very big pond and you don't swim well.
19 boatman60, no one is forcing anything upon you,as a matter of fact, ford is doing the forcing by trying to eliminate competition. Is that why ford has a video on YouTube because aftermarket parts are a threat to the oems ?
I find it odd as well that someone who is supposedly such a threat to the OEMs is wasting his/her time on YouTube. Since you know so much, why don't you contact national news sources? It would seem to me that everyone would be interested in these findings. Oh, and btw. I am not a "glorified activist looking for applause" and certainly not affiliated with any body shop association or publication. I am just fed up, as many are, with imported sub-standard parts being forced upon us.
@19boatman60 if you are tired of the crappy a/m dont buy them spend 4 times as much with the dealer i wouldnt mind paying a lil extra for oem but the oem manufactures prices are outrageous
@MOSESJ1987 I use AM on occasion, but am very selective on the type of part. I know of many AM CAPA headlamps which are not even adjustable. AM manufacturers have put themselves in this adversarial situation. Yes, OEM is much more expensive and something should be done about that. In the 80's, AM parts brought down some GM sheet metal (C and K trucks) to less than half original prices, so competition is good. However, the quality of AM parts needs to improve greatly.
Please provide the whereabouts of these published reports. If they are as you attest, then produce them. Or, at least provide where they can be obtained. If, as you say "government contracted testing facility using the industry standard NHTSA New Car Assessment Program (NCAP)", then the information should be available through the FOIA. Additionally, if the information is so earth shattering and contrary to OEM assertions, then why has this information not been made public??
The aftermarket industry is facing ford's scare tactics head-on and putting its parts through rigorous crash test. Results of test conducted and performed by engineers at an independent , government contracted testing facility using the industry standard NHTSA New Car Assessment Program (NCAP),aftermarket part-equipped vehicles have met the exacting federal safety requirements for crash worthiness. These are published results,not like ford.
Let's hear from a ford rep on here,not some glorified activist that looking for a round of applause. I really wonder why a body shop association would make this part of their agenda anyway. They really don't have any dog in this hunt.
The AAIA has recently requested that the FTC investigate whether certain assertions made by ford are in violation of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and to require them to show evidence to substantiate their spurious claims that there are problems with the use of non-original equipment parts. Aftermarket collision parts meet all of the same regulatory requirements that the o.e.replacement parts are required to meet.
I'm not promoting inferior parts and your not promoting safety. This is a marketing scam produced in it's entirety by ford motor company. If i told you who I was ford would be very upset. They're frustrated enough by having body shop associations and trade publications back up their hype when in fact they are not qualified to do so. Ford has crash tested these parts but will not release that information due to the results being inconclusive. However, independent crash testing is underway.
Again, please state your background, training and experience. You appear to evade that. If you have valid and actual documentation that these parts have been crash tested, please produce it. Yes, many oem parts are patented (see USITC ruling in US federal court FORD vs KEYSTONE). This discussion about elasticity, modus and material matrices is irrelevant to this topic. Bottom line is the part is not of the same Like, Kind and Quality of what was specified by the original manufacturer.
tell me about the phyisics and mechanics of magnesium mr. i-car. What alloy designation does your mag have ? What failure controls did you use ? TRY THIS, WHAT PROCEDURE IS USED TO TEST THE ELASTICITY OR EVEN THE HARDNESS OF MAG. i'LL GIVE YOU A FEW DAYS TO LOOK THAT ONE UP TOO MR. I-CAR
Your thinking is if it cost more it must be better. How do you know o.e. parts are better ? How do you know ford engineering is all that is cracked up to be ? And how did these aftermarket companies get the design to copy these parts in the first place. Aren't these patented parts ? This is a marketing ploy,nothing more !!
Tell me how many documented injuries are reported when using aftermarket parts. Tell me of your REAL world failures you've seen.
Frd used frp for many years on the taurus and sable and may still on some models. As core supports. Wake up.
It was safe then but not now.
And your trying to tell everybody that the O.E. parts industry is NOT profit driven !! What a laugh, people just aren't that stupid to fall for that crap anymore.
Besides, mr. i-car, since your an all-of-a-sudden expert on this but nothing more then a high school teacher, tell me about the frp used in this core support you talk about. What matrix is used ?
I have found that when individuals resort to insults, it is because they are out of there league or just plain don't know. That said, besides all the physics and mechanics of why an FRP cs might possibly function the same as one of magnesium, given the same mountings, reliefs, reinforcements, etc. My point is that the AM one is not of the same material of the oem. So, therefore, not like kind and quality. This is typical with aftermarket crash parts. You are out of touch. Go have another drink.
Engineering is all relative mr. i-car. How dangerous was a ford focus front reinforcement before it was made out of moron boron ? That's right, it was just like the aftermarket part. So if you can't compete on that level with part sales, just change the part and tell every body it's better. Now, let's see, are we engineering parts or money ? Neither has worked for ford.
@GlasstecAutomotive It would have been much better to be able to crash test all of these inferior parts....just for proof. However, crash testing vehicles is extremely expensive. You have to understand that the aftermarket crash parts industry is purely profit driven. They have no intention of spending the money to crash test their parts. Advertising and threats are a whole lot cheaper.
It all depends on how it is attached, what it is attached to, what the material is that it is attached to, how that material was formed in die to fail at a given point. Your a rank amateur mr. i-car, you should be teaching young boys how to weld and fix dents at the local community college
Its obvious to me, as I am sure to others, that you have no idea what you are talking about. If the engineers at the various vehicle manufactures could have used a thinner steel and perform the same in a crash, don't you think they would have? Thinner is lighter and less expensive. This is why there are HSLA and SHSLA steels as well as aluminum, magnesium and other materials in vehicles. Maybe you can tell me how a FRP aftermarket core support is supposed to perform as well as one of magnesium?
but what valid argument could you have for material type and thickness ? Since you don't know how this part reacts in a real crash test, how do you know if thinner is better. Remember energy absorption ? You might want to read up on that mr. i-car
Maybe you should inform all of us that are reading and watching what your qualifications, background and experience are with regard automobile repair.
And no I am not a "bot" for a trade pub and have no agenda. I receive several trade journals, its called being informed. The only mission I am on is that vehicle owners should be informed about the types of parts that are used in the repair of their vehicles. I have never had an issue with non original parts as long as are truly like, kind and quality. You have admitted, there are fit and finish issues. That is what you can see, what about what you can't like material type and thickness?
OH I do know about about these parts working in unison, thats why this video and your claim is bunk. You have know way of knowing how an aftermaket part is going to react in relation to the part it is attached to without crash testing. You want to crash test them to prove your case ? Your trade publication,which is probably hammer and dolly don't have enough money to take that on. Wait a minute, ford has enough money, why not them ? Answer: they already have but forgot to publish it
Additionally. If MrSae3000 new anything about vehicle construction, he would realize that fenders, hoods, core supports, doors, glass etc. are all engineered to perform together as a unit. They all work together for safety. Use of poorly produced and substandard aftermarket replacement parts is just a detrimental to the integrity of the vehicle as poor workmanship. None of which should be tolerated.
@19boatman60 i dont belibe fender doors and core supports work together in a crash lol how would they work together the sub frame would protect from accidents that why the sub frame has crumple zone to dissapate energy i dont think a fender that is a lilmore flimsy would affect the air bags or crumple zones lol ive heard it all now the hood fender lights and even the radioator support work in conjunction to help you in a wreck can you explian that to me
I am interested in the background of MrSae3000. Yes I was directed here by a trade publication. So What? My comments come from decades of experience as a line tech, manager and shop owner. Yes, I am ICAR and ASE Certified with factory training from GM, Mercedes, Mitsubishi and Ford. I am the real deal and have seen real world failures of this junk. There is no dirty work. The majority of these parts are crap. Get into the field and check it out for yourself.
@19boatman60 sir im just opening my own shop/carlot i worked at toyota building tundras since 2005 before that i worked at numerous auto tire and body shops cars are my life i left highschool when i was 15 to work full time at my friends shop i already had been working b4 that too i was part time and i did radios and amp.subs and minor mechanic work for my neighbors since i was 10 and i have never seen a properly installed certifit fender break off or the a/m brands they sell at auto zone or
@19boatman60 a a/m part from autozone or orielys fail drasticlly of course the aftermaket shocks are not as good but they are not going to break off they just wear our faster ive never seen a car crash because he used the orierlys house brand brake pads again all it is is that generic or a/m parts are inferior but they work in most cases name one of these faliures and i dont want to read about a broken bearing or a locked caliper lets here one of the real world faliures of this junk lol
There is one genius part to this however, ford has i-car and body shop associations doing their dirty work for them. This appears to be one of ford's "better ideas"but it also shows how stupid these grease mechanic and mud slinging brotherhood clubs are.
Sure,fit and finish has always been a concern with aftermarket parts but that doesn't make them unsafe. With no data to support their claim, no crash testing to support their claim, nothing what-so-ever to support their claim, they make these SCARE videos in a desperate attempt to turn around a very dismal parts bottom line.
There is no such thing as counterfeit parts...and these guys , jhinken, 19boatman60, slushboxH8R these guys are the counterfeits. They were directed here by some "body shop" association if they exist at all. You can tell by the way they refer to themselves as being in the "collision industry." Body shop associations hate to be referred to in any other way. This is just more under-handed bunk from probably one lone conspirator.
MrSae300, Just because aftermarket parts have been used on automobiles for 20 years, doesn't make them good. I've worked with counterfeit parts for 30 years and the fact is they are almost always inferior to the factory original. Even an untrained amatuer can often spot the difference.
Crash testing is only one aspect of many measurable characteristics of counterfeit parts. There are a long list of other deficiencies to consider with aftermarket parts.
Having been in the Collision industry for more than 25 years. I remember when this aftermarket junk first came out. This stuff was produced for older vehicles. Now, it is produced for new cars...even 2011. Insurance companies force this crap down customers throats and say as good as Original and a means to keep rates down. BS. This junk comes from offshore with minimal quality control, if any. This stuff hardly ever fits without modification. You do get what you pay for. Customers wake up!!
I'm in the collision industry and AM crash parts scare the hell out of me. more consumers need to be aware of this. Until such time as AM manufacturers test their parts the same way the OEs do, I would NEVER use one on a vehicle I own.
Lets see the video explanation as to why FORD Crown Victoria's gas tanks explode. Or how about the video explaining why accidental air bag deployments happen rendering the driver unconscious in the F150's? And why do we need to care how long it takes for a saw to cut through this bumper? How many vehicles are in danger of being attacked by some crazy person with a sawsall?
And mrlugey25, not to worry, these parts have been put on millions of cars for over 20 years and now that fords part sales are at an all time low they have suddenly become dangerous. I've seen big corporations try these scare tactics before and these guys aren't even good at it.
Ha Ha..not even close, I'm not affiliated with any aftermarket industry. And once more, I'm not some wanna be lobbyist / activist trying to gain notoriety for my water buffalo lodge type body shop association like you are. I could tell this reply wasn't from a ford representative. Although you open your mouth wide what you spew out of it is best left in some booth at some lame convention. Your agenda of claiming all parts but yours are inferior is weak without actual crash testing.
MrSae, you clearly work for the aftermarket parts industry. Its obvious to the world even before these demonstrations were made public that aftermarket, typically taiwanese parts are always inferior to those of the original equipment manufacturer. Diamond Standard, one of the better aftermarket parts manufacturers admits that if they were to make the parts equal in every way to the OEM and also have to crash test them they would not be able to be competively priced versus the OEM.
Sawing and banging parts with a hammer renders no usable data that relates to occupant safety. Instead of using ford crash data from ford engineers they revert to information they obtain from community college level vocational instructors. This is a desperate last ditch attempt by ford to sell some parts. Which by the way, they haven't been doing a good job of lately. The reason ford does not publish full car crash video of these parts is because the results were not what they expected....
@MrLugey25 plenty of salvage title cars on the road or cars that goy into a fender bender and did not report it and just fixed it and sold it a hoods is 1 peiece its just a lil thinner the fenders are the same 1 piece just thinner so its no risk like i said sub frame and frame thake the impact of a hard crash the only down side to certifit parts is they are hard to install correctly and the get beat up a lot eaiser but you are at no risk i know in texas you have to sighn a affidavit
@MrLugey25 i know in texas you have to sighn a rebuild affidavit and get the buyer of the car to sign to all it says basically is where the car was hit what i fixed and replaced ive been using a/m parts for years ive never had a cutomer complain and i havent had any problems
@MOSESJ1987 I read your channel comments, and although I truly believe in the first amendment, I am not sure I am comfortable having you on my side of this debate.
actually on most vehicles they can be replaced. Well the proper term would be sectioning. Must Convential frames is where you are going to see sectioning time set forth by the manufacturer. Unitized frames you wont see it as often due to the fact the cost of the part and replacing would cost about the same. Ask me how I know I am an Adjuster for a major insurance company and comuncate daily with manufatures to verify what is safe and unsafe as far as repairs.
any idiot knows you can fake that sawsall test
walterbrob 10 months ago
Ford needs to do a nation wide tv add campaign like this video. Companies like Allstate,Geico,Progressive and others are cramming down there tv commericals 24/7 fooling the consumer.
1meanPro 1 year ago
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FORD made all HITLERS Trucks and many Jet Engines
FORD was considered HITLERS back bone for WW2
Killing 1000's of GI's.
HITLER had Henry Fords Picture on his wall in BERLIN HENRY FORD Idolized HITLER worst man on EARTH
FORD Hates JEWS
Xquire 6 months ago
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lcoan1 1 year ago
@lcoan1 Yes, I believe your right
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSae3000 Mr Bayley... I believe your still stuck in the 80's
shotimes95 1 year ago
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@shotimes95
FORD made all HITLERS Trucks and many Jet Engines
FORD was considered HITLERS back bone for WW2
Killing 1000's of GI's.
HITLER had Henry Fords Picture on his wall in BERLIN HENRY FORD Idolized HITLER worst man on EARTH
FORD Hates JEWS
Xquire 6 months ago
I'm sure the fact that you own a lincoln (your spelling ) excites everyone watching this video.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
I buy OEM only for my Lincoln.
James1toknow 1 year ago
They won't release them because those results were not what they expected and certainly will not reinforce their claim.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
ford must have done a crash test already to back up their claims i wonder why they dont release the results
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
Your probably a clone from some body shop association or trade publication. Insurance agents do not take their time up trying to prove themselves wrong, YOUR A FAKE, and you were easily uncovered. Will any real people ever come on here ?
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Aftermarket manufacturers do not need insurance companies to sell their parts. Your just a convenience to them. Body shops and repair centers will still buy a/m parts because those parts make them more profit. Those people you claim argued with you about parts probably didn't know anything about a/m or oem parts. They were taking the advice of someone who had an ulterior agenda. I doubt you are really any kind of agent or employee for an insurance company. Your probably masquerading as one .
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Notice how they use an oem blade in that sawsall. These ford guys are being very careful not to slip up
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSae3000
Interesting take. Especially since us "confidence man", "flim flam" insurance adjusters are the primary reason your beloved aftermarket parts are forced upon unsuspecting claimants and insureds.
Without us "scum", your inferior parts would not sell.
The truth of the matter is, given the choice, customers would rather have original parts. I've had plenty of people argue with me to include original parts in their estimate, but none who have insisted on aftermarket.
ArthurDent60 1 year ago
There is no such thing as an insurance professional. Today most would use the term confidence man, and in the not so distant past maybe " flim flan" artist. However, I prefer to use a seven letter expletive combined with the word scum to describe your professionalism.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSAE3000
True, no one put me in charge of etiquette. I just find your reactions amusing...vacuous, but amusing. Enough about you.
As for the video, of course imitation, aftermarket parts are inferior. Many of them are made with materials that do not have the same structural integrity. Mild steel will absorb energy differently than ultra high strength steel.
As an insurance professional, I know we write aftermarket parts only because they're cheaper...not equal, just cheaper.
ArthurDent60 1 year ago
@ArthurDent60
Who are you an adjuster for? I work for a GEICO and depending on what needs to be replaced depends on how it is handled. If it is a structural item or safety item we go with oem only. a/m is only used in apperance and convience items such as fascias or fenders. As far as rebar, absorbers, frame, and inner structure it is oem only.
adamj546 1 year ago
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@adamj546
FORD made all HITLERS Trucks and many Jet Engines
FORD was considered HITLERS back bone for WW2
Killing 1000's of GI's.
HITLER had Henry Fords Picture on his wall in BERLIN HENRY FORD Idolized HITLER worst man on EARTH
FORD Hates JEWS
Xquire 6 months ago
You don't need to disable comments, if you don't like the comments don't read them and certainly don't add to them. What the companies know and what they want you to know are two separate things. Don't be so gullible.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
they really need to disable comments for their videos, because a lot of people out there think they know more than the companies do.... so all you are doing wasting your time, and ours, because they don't give a shit what you guys think.
BLUClan 1 year ago 2
@BLUClan Everyone that views this fraudulent piece of propaganda needs to give a shit. If your time is so wasted then don't waste it watching this worthless excuse for a sales campaign.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
My arguments are presented in a professional,well thought -out manner and people do take me seriously. The cap locks are not yelling but designed to draw attention to my post. It would appear that my mediocre sarcasm and sophomoric name calling worked as planned, since, instead of making your pitch about this video you decided to complain about these things and these things only. By the way, Arthur, no one put you in charge of etiquette,not to my knowledge. But I know your frustrated.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSae3000
You might command a bit more respect and some credibility, if you didn't have to resort to sophomoric name-calling and mediocre attempts at sarcasm. And the Caps-Lock "yelling", trying to attract attention to your posts.....a bit childish....don't you think?
Present your arguments in professional, well thought-out manner and maybe people will take you seriously.
ArthurDent60 1 year ago
What difference does my identity make ? Read what I've written here and this scam becomes all too clear.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSae3000
I've read every word of it and I still think you have a bone to pick
with Ford Motor Company!
Maybe you could go back and read the comments with an open mind?
518jlewis 1 year ago
Incidentally, what type of steel was used in Tiger tanks as compared with the Soviet tanks. I know a Focus or F150 could be supplanted for a Tiger tank any day, but what is the difference for the record. Jeez, the public os so stupid. The Coke-heads at Ford have don it again ! Hurrah !!!!!!
seapeddler 1 year ago
PEOPLE READ MY POST THROUGHOUT THIS BLOG. COMPREHEND WHAT THESE FAKES ARE DOING. DON'T FALL FAR THIS HYPE-A-LONG GARBAGE.
READ MY POST AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THESE CLOWNS.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
WRONG ONCE AGAIN DIM WIT, A/M replacement parts DO have to meet the same federal requirements as the oems. Body shop associations,trade publications, still doing ford's dirty work for them. Notice how ford does not enter into this conversation. They know better, they have their brain washed puppets do their talking for them. THIS IS A FORD MARKETING SCAM, the idiots spewing this hype just don't know any better. They think it's going to gain them notoriety.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSae3000
A quick correction A/M parts used by insurance companies are held to higher standerds and tighter specs than oem parts.
adamj546 1 year ago
to fix bags is way to expensive any way in conclusion i like oem parts because they fit better and are sturdy but id have to say a/m parts for me they are cheaper and if your car needs a radiator support or bumper and you want oem then go get the bags, air bag sensors, radiator fans and hoses from the dealer and waste your profit or spend more than what the car is worth. after market works just fine if you wreck 1 seat belts 2 airbags(maybe)and the frame will help you your not going
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
@MOSESJ1987 Be very careful about modifying or removing airbag systems. I would never consider cutting a bag and patching the cover. The liability for those actions is insanely high! Not to mention, you may violate some state and possibly federal laws.
19boatman60 1 year ago
or hood even if i have to sand off the old paint and do a lil straghtning here and there but if i cant a/m works ok too seriously i dont know what ford is trying to do alot of people are going to be hurt if the make the a/m market raise its quality and ultimitely price a/m radiator supports are not as sturdy but i dought its gonna kill you besides when a car needs that the bags have come out and when that happens most people just cut the bag and piece together the vinyl cover it empty
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
@MOSESJ1987
wow take it you have never replaced an air bag before. The actual bags are not as expensive as people think nor is it hard to install just the air bag. 99% of the vehicles are mandated by the manufacturer when a bag deploys that you replace the clock spring, both front sensors, diagnostic unit, and all seat belt tensioners. On top of that have the computer scanned for any other issues and have tem repalced as well. Patching a bag or covering its hole is something most shops wont do
adamj546 1 year ago
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@adamj546
FORD made all HITLERS Trucks and many Jet Engines
FORD was considered HITLERS back bone for WW2
Killing 1000's of GI's.
HITLER had Henry Fords Picture on his wall in BERLIN HENRY FORD Idolized HITLER worst man on EARTH
FORD Hates JEWS
Xquire 6 months ago
i dont know for sure if a a/m part will throw off crumple zones and airbag timing are if the are less safe but what i can say is dealer parts are better in almost everyway fit form and function when it comes to almost any part so if i had to chose what id want on my car id chosse dealer parts for mechanical and structual hands down then i would try to save money using a/m lens trim and lil things now if its for a car im going to sell ill go to the junkyard first id rather have a oem fender
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
and the certifit parts almost always are a pain in my side i think ford needs to find a way to drop their prices and untill they do i will most likely use either junkyard or certifit parts because their are crazy its a good part i know but they ask for way to much thats why alot of cars get totaled out there was a 2006 king ranch all it neededwas hood lights grill and it got totaled out because dealer parts are too expensive anyway who knows if they are inferior in an accident setting
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
headlight when i can get a a/m one for 50 its like that with everything you get what you paid for when you buy a cheap pryamid or roadmaster amp its not going to push like a jl audio 1000.1 its the same thing with the parts of couse fords is better quaility i wouldnt know if it would help you more in a wreck but it is more sturdy and easier to install as for the a/m parts they are inferior in almost every way when you get parts from the dealer they fit easy and flush no mods
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
look i do all kinds of auto work from minor repair to a/v and custimation to paint and body recently i just got my salvage dealer license and i have been using a/m parts when i have to dealer prices are outrageous on most parts there is a difference i got a 1999 town car that i replaced the bumper and bumper cover i got the bumper from certifit a a/m auto body parts dealer in san antonio and i could see right off the batt the a/m parts suck but there are exceptions i will not pay 250 for a
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
ha ha, now your showing your true colors
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSae3000 Not really. I have come to the conclusion that you are an uneducated moron who lives within the fantasy of a puny closed mind. If anyone is a pawn in this AM vs OEM parts game, it is you. Reviewing your previous posts only reinforces that opinion. I am sure that you believe within your mind that you hold all of the answers and know more than anyone else. You are mistaken. I tire of attempting intelligent conversations with the ignorant. Best of luck in your endeavors, you'll need it.
19boatman60 1 year ago
No Sir...you have no idea. Problems and dissatisfaction with AM parts have been around much longer than you have, especially at 31, and well before all of these "marketing scams". Dont know who you are and dont really care, You are the one who has been misled by some BS aftermarket supplier /manufacturer hype. You make accusations about matters you know nothing about. You are pathetic, You cannot be reasoned with and you are narrow minded, Crawl back into the hoke from which you came.
19boatman60 1 year ago
You have no idea what is safe or unsafe when it comes to these parts in question. You spew nothing but hype from a preconceived notion fed to you by the authors of this marketing scam. PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THIS BUNK IN THIS FRAUDULENT VIDEO, IT WAS MADE TO MISLEAD YOU.
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19boatman60 1 year ago
If both oem and aftermarket replacement parts have to meet the same federal requirements, who's checking to see if ford's offerings are safe ? How do you know they are exactly the same as what the car was manufactured with. What, no one is concerned with that ? Why is that.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSae3000 Oh that would make sense - they want to covertly make money by selling cheap parts, so they would spend a mint to change all their tooling from the quality parts they originally put on the cars to tooling that makes "cheap" parts. That would save a buck!
Would you please think for a moment before you type?
TheTorqueMan 1 year ago
@MrSae3000 I agree with The TorqueMan. OEM parts are tested as installed and meet Federal Safety Standards. When you changes are made to material, design, thickness or most anything with that part, you may change the characteristics of the part. If it is included or affects any safety or structural system of a vehicle, the parts should be tested the same as oem and that the parts meet the same Federal standards. Period. You really should get off the pedistal and look at the big picture.
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steamboatmitch 1 year ago
@MrSae3000 - While OEM parts are crash tested as part of the original construction of the vehicle to meet FMVSS and beyond - Aftermarket Replacement Parts do NOT have to meet any federal requirements and endure no crash testing what so ever in order to be qualified to be sold in the US. What tesing is ever done by the manufacturers of those AM parts is not done as a part of the vehicle - the parts are tested separately in a jig or a ram.
steamboatmitch 1 year ago
Did the other absorber look like controlled energy dissipation ? It looked to me as NO energy dissipation.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSae3000 You need to review the video again. Both parts are utilized as a a system. Both have rebar deformation. The second clip, reportedly non oem, collapsed. Can you really say that comparing the two, the second would not interfere with timing and function of safety systems not to mention the form and function of the vehicle structure as a whole? It certainly does not appear to be Like, Kind and Quality, and in this instance potentially unsafe. Prove to me otherwise.
19boatman60 1 year ago
After all, who's there to call ford's parts unsafe. Does anyone know if they are ?
MrSae3000 1 year ago
If you want to observe the control,watch the rebar behind the absorber, it to is involved in the dissipation of energy. No absorber is a life saver and very doubtful if it attributes any occurrence to the air bag sensor. But we keep getting off the track with our discussion here. What I'm concerned about is one guy callling another guys product unsafe without any evidence what-so-ever.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Seems like more manufacturers are using China made parts as OE. At least I've noticed this with Chevrolet. China has gotten pretty good at copying our products and with the economy consumers as well as automobile manufacturers have to consider using less expensive parts when it makes sense. Sad state of affairs when you find "made in China" sticker on an OE American car part!
DenLorsTools 1 year ago
@DenLorsTools Parts being produced in other countries has been going on for decades. I remember in the 70's GM castings from Brazil and Mexico. Every year, more and more OE parts are produced offshore. Go to look at the sticker that is affixed to new cars indicating the percentage of US made parts utilized in their production. Welcome to the global economy. Its a sad state of affairs, but another topic entirely.
19boatman60 1 year ago
I seen the video you mentioned. Which absorber dissipated the energy before reaching the occupants of the presumed vehicle better ? In your opinion.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSae3000 In my humble opinion a controlled deformation and dissipation of energy would be more advantageous than a near instantaneous destruction offering no control whatsoever.
19boatman60 1 year ago
The majority of A/M parts are crap but some are better than others. Dealing with these issues for nearly 20yrs on a daily basis, you can't argue that OEM parts fit better and are better quality. That goes for automotive mechanical to collision to even washer machines!! You also can't deny that people gave died from cheap parts in all industries! OEMs need to keep prices competitive & A/M industry needs to control quality such - as CAPA - which helps instill confidence in using A/M parts- even
DANZ60 1 year ago
You do seriously miss the point. Of course the OEMs want the AM parts to be like theirs. So do the installers and consumers. Its called QUALITY! It has nothing to do with parts cost to the consumer. If the part is truly equal in fit, finish, material and function. THIS IS THE WHOLE ISSUE! I have been using select aftermarket mechanical parts for years. Many AM mechanical parts are crap too. Once you guys start producing a quality product and the BS will end.
19boatman60 1 year ago
Remember the same federal requirements are used when ford makes their parts.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Crash testing a bumper support is not a testing program but sawing one with a sawsall is ? And for your information, the oems will be going to court and it will be much more then a challenge for them. Further more, if ford's agenda is to get the aftermarket industry to make their parts more like theirs' in an effort to increase the cost of the aftermarket part so that the price point is more competitive it will never work. If the am part goes up by 20% so will the oe because it's branded .
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MrSae3000
I think the Sawzall and air chisel demonstration were to show
the difference in the STRENGTH of the two parts.
518jlewis 1 year ago
Here is a video on YouTube that you should have a look at. I am sure that you have some sort of explanation for it... CrashVideoFinal.wmv
19boatman60 1 year ago
My statements are based on actual observations and experience, not fantasy or imagination. In answer to the question posed..If the comments and "facts" raised by OEMs are incorrect, not factual or based on innuendo against a competitor, then they should be challenged in court. If these suppliers have issues with fit and finish, then they should correct the issues. Crash testing should be performed of all AM structural parts. Crash testing one bumper reinforcement is not a testing program.
19boatman60 1 year ago
You must be involved in the automobile industry in some way or why would you care ? Notice everyone else on this blog has given up and went running home with their tails between their legs. It's just you and me. When you call their bluff they get real red faced.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
1. You will never prove they are unsafe, because they are not.
2.You have no basis for calling them substandard since the standard was set by the federal government and they meet the requirements.
3. Ford can not compete in part sales, by their own admission.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
My facts are much more public then yours, even though there not my facts. Your facts, by design are fantasy. And that brings up the real question here; Should a company conducting business in the United States of America compete one on one with their competitors or have the right to make unsubstantiated innuendos in an effort to gain popularity to their brand ? Should they have the legal right to do so ?
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Looking back at your posts, now I see who and what you are. Spreading untruths?? You should know. You have not been in the field, you have not had to make due with ill-fitting and substandard replacements. Yes, forced....by insurers sacrificing quality to build their profits. I am quite educated and am not imagining anything about the substandard quality of the majority of these parts. Insults only show your overwhelming ignorance. Put your supposed facts to the test and make them public.
19boatman60 1 year ago
READ MY POST BELOW PEOPLE, THIS IS A FORD MARKETING SCAM FULL OF UNTRUTHS !!
MrSae3000 1 year ago
ABPA has those results for your viewing, contact them for further assistance. And sir, please educate yourself before acting so foolish. It really hurts your cause.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Your claim of sub-standard is a figment of your uneducated imagination,compounded by the fact that your a little fish in a very big pond and you don't swim well.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
19 boatman60, no one is forcing anything upon you,as a matter of fact, ford is doing the forcing by trying to eliminate competition. Is that why ford has a video on YouTube because aftermarket parts are a threat to the oems ?
MrSae3000 1 year ago
I find it odd as well that someone who is supposedly such a threat to the OEMs is wasting his/her time on YouTube. Since you know so much, why don't you contact national news sources? It would seem to me that everyone would be interested in these findings. Oh, and btw. I am not a "glorified activist looking for applause" and certainly not affiliated with any body shop association or publication. I am just fed up, as many are, with imported sub-standard parts being forced upon us.
19boatman60 1 year ago
@19boatman60 if you are tired of the crappy a/m dont buy them spend 4 times as much with the dealer i wouldnt mind paying a lil extra for oem but the oem manufactures prices are outrageous
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
@MOSESJ1987 I use AM on occasion, but am very selective on the type of part. I know of many AM CAPA headlamps which are not even adjustable. AM manufacturers have put themselves in this adversarial situation. Yes, OEM is much more expensive and something should be done about that. In the 80's, AM parts brought down some GM sheet metal (C and K trucks) to less than half original prices, so competition is good. However, the quality of AM parts needs to improve greatly.
19boatman60 1 year ago
Please provide the whereabouts of these published reports. If they are as you attest, then produce them. Or, at least provide where they can be obtained. If, as you say "government contracted testing facility using the industry standard NHTSA New Car Assessment Program (NCAP)", then the information should be available through the FOIA. Additionally, if the information is so earth shattering and contrary to OEM assertions, then why has this information not been made public??
19boatman60 1 year ago
READ ALL MY POST BELOW TO FIND OUT WHAT A SCAM THIS VIDEO IS
MrSae3000 1 year ago
The aftermarket industry is facing ford's scare tactics head-on and putting its parts through rigorous crash test. Results of test conducted and performed by engineers at an independent , government contracted testing facility using the industry standard NHTSA New Car Assessment Program (NCAP),aftermarket part-equipped vehicles have met the exacting federal safety requirements for crash worthiness. These are published results,not like ford.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Let's hear from a ford rep on here,not some glorified activist that looking for a round of applause. I really wonder why a body shop association would make this part of their agenda anyway. They really don't have any dog in this hunt.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
The AAIA has recently requested that the FTC investigate whether certain assertions made by ford are in violation of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and to require them to show evidence to substantiate their spurious claims that there are problems with the use of non-original equipment parts. Aftermarket collision parts meet all of the same regulatory requirements that the o.e.replacement parts are required to meet.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
I'm not promoting inferior parts and your not promoting safety. This is a marketing scam produced in it's entirety by ford motor company. If i told you who I was ford would be very upset. They're frustrated enough by having body shop associations and trade publications back up their hype when in fact they are not qualified to do so. Ford has crash tested these parts but will not release that information due to the results being inconclusive. However, independent crash testing is underway.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Yes, Mr Sae 3000 please state your credentials. Are you more interested in promoting inferior parts or peoples safety?
chuckzimmerjr 1 year ago
@chuckzimmerjr
If I were MrSae3000 I wouldn't want anyone to know my
real identity either. Sounds he has a bone to pick with Ford.
518jlewis 1 year ago
Again, please state your background, training and experience. You appear to evade that. If you have valid and actual documentation that these parts have been crash tested, please produce it. Yes, many oem parts are patented (see USITC ruling in US federal court FORD vs KEYSTONE). This discussion about elasticity, modus and material matrices is irrelevant to this topic. Bottom line is the part is not of the same Like, Kind and Quality of what was specified by the original manufacturer.
19boatman60 1 year ago
tell me about the phyisics and mechanics of magnesium mr. i-car. What alloy designation does your mag have ? What failure controls did you use ? TRY THIS, WHAT PROCEDURE IS USED TO TEST THE ELASTICITY OR EVEN THE HARDNESS OF MAG. i'LL GIVE YOU A FEW DAYS TO LOOK THAT ONE UP TOO MR. I-CAR
MrSae3000 1 year ago
glasstech automotive they did that but the results was not what they wanted
MrSae3000 1 year ago
don't worry mr. i-car,on the matrix thing, I'll give you a couple of days to look it up
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Your thinking is if it cost more it must be better. How do you know o.e. parts are better ? How do you know ford engineering is all that is cracked up to be ? And how did these aftermarket companies get the design to copy these parts in the first place. Aren't these patented parts ? This is a marketing ploy,nothing more !!
Tell me how many documented injuries are reported when using aftermarket parts. Tell me of your REAL world failures you've seen.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Frd used frp for many years on the taurus and sable and may still on some models. As core supports. Wake up.
It was safe then but not now.
And your trying to tell everybody that the O.E. parts industry is NOT profit driven !! What a laugh, people just aren't that stupid to fall for that crap anymore.
Besides, mr. i-car, since your an all-of-a-sudden expert on this but nothing more then a high school teacher, tell me about the frp used in this core support you talk about. What matrix is used ?
MrSae3000 1 year ago
I have found that when individuals resort to insults, it is because they are out of there league or just plain don't know. That said, besides all the physics and mechanics of why an FRP cs might possibly function the same as one of magnesium, given the same mountings, reliefs, reinforcements, etc. My point is that the AM one is not of the same material of the oem. So, therefore, not like kind and quality. This is typical with aftermarket crash parts. You are out of touch. Go have another drink.
19boatman60 1 year ago
Engineering is all relative mr. i-car. How dangerous was a ford focus front reinforcement before it was made out of moron boron ? That's right, it was just like the aftermarket part. So if you can't compete on that level with part sales, just change the part and tell every body it's better. Now, let's see, are we engineering parts or money ? Neither has worked for ford.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Wouldn't it have been better to fit both types of parts and conduct a proper crash test?
GlasstecAutomotive 1 year ago
@GlasstecAutomotive It would have been much better to be able to crash test all of these inferior parts....just for proof. However, crash testing vehicles is extremely expensive. You have to understand that the aftermarket crash parts industry is purely profit driven. They have no intention of spending the money to crash test their parts. Advertising and threats are a whole lot cheaper.
19boatman60 1 year ago
It all depends on how it is attached, what it is attached to, what the material is that it is attached to, how that material was formed in die to fail at a given point. Your a rank amateur mr. i-car, you should be teaching young boys how to weld and fix dents at the local community college
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Its obvious to me, as I am sure to others, that you have no idea what you are talking about. If the engineers at the various vehicle manufactures could have used a thinner steel and perform the same in a crash, don't you think they would have? Thinner is lighter and less expensive. This is why there are HSLA and SHSLA steels as well as aluminum, magnesium and other materials in vehicles. Maybe you can tell me how a FRP aftermarket core support is supposed to perform as well as one of magnesium?
19boatman60 1 year ago
Sae..check it out...maybe you'll become even more informed some day, I hope
MrSae3000 1 year ago
but what valid argument could you have for material type and thickness ? Since you don't know how this part reacts in a real crash test, how do you know if thinner is better. Remember energy absorption ? You might want to read up on that mr. i-car
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Maybe you should inform all of us that are reading and watching what your qualifications, background and experience are with regard automobile repair.
19boatman60 1 year ago
And no I am not a "bot" for a trade pub and have no agenda. I receive several trade journals, its called being informed. The only mission I am on is that vehicle owners should be informed about the types of parts that are used in the repair of their vehicles. I have never had an issue with non original parts as long as are truly like, kind and quality. You have admitted, there are fit and finish issues. That is what you can see, what about what you can't like material type and thickness?
19boatman60 1 year ago
OH I do know about about these parts working in unison, thats why this video and your claim is bunk. You have know way of knowing how an aftermaket part is going to react in relation to the part it is attached to without crash testing. You want to crash test them to prove your case ? Your trade publication,which is probably hammer and dolly don't have enough money to take that on. Wait a minute, ford has enough money, why not them ? Answer: they already have but forgot to publish it
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Additionally. If MrSae3000 new anything about vehicle construction, he would realize that fenders, hoods, core supports, doors, glass etc. are all engineered to perform together as a unit. They all work together for safety. Use of poorly produced and substandard aftermarket replacement parts is just a detrimental to the integrity of the vehicle as poor workmanship. None of which should be tolerated.
19boatman60 1 year ago
@19boatman60 i dont belibe fender doors and core supports work together in a crash lol how would they work together the sub frame would protect from accidents that why the sub frame has crumple zone to dissapate energy i dont think a fender that is a lilmore flimsy would affect the air bags or crumple zones lol ive heard it all now the hood fender lights and even the radioator support work in conjunction to help you in a wreck can you explian that to me
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518jlewis 1 year ago
He just admitted it, he's a bot for a trade publication...tell us your agenda, what is your involvement in this taboo mission of yours ?
MrSae3000 1 year ago
I am interested in the background of MrSae3000. Yes I was directed here by a trade publication. So What? My comments come from decades of experience as a line tech, manager and shop owner. Yes, I am ICAR and ASE Certified with factory training from GM, Mercedes, Mitsubishi and Ford. I am the real deal and have seen real world failures of this junk. There is no dirty work. The majority of these parts are crap. Get into the field and check it out for yourself.
19boatman60 1 year ago
@19boatman60 sir im just opening my own shop/carlot i worked at toyota building tundras since 2005 before that i worked at numerous auto tire and body shops cars are my life i left highschool when i was 15 to work full time at my friends shop i already had been working b4 that too i was part time and i did radios and amp.subs and minor mechanic work for my neighbors since i was 10 and i have never seen a properly installed certifit fender break off or the a/m brands they sell at auto zone or
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
@19boatman60 a a/m part from autozone or orielys fail drasticlly of course the aftermaket shocks are not as good but they are not going to break off they just wear our faster ive never seen a car crash because he used the orierlys house brand brake pads again all it is is that generic or a/m parts are inferior but they work in most cases name one of these faliures and i dont want to read about a broken bearing or a locked caliper lets here one of the real world faliures of this junk lol
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
@MOSESJ1987
The point that Ford is trying to make is that the structural parts
of the vehicle must work together to maintain the integrity of the
vehicle and the safety of the occupants! After Market shocks, plugs,
wires or lights are Not at issue!
518jlewis 1 year ago
There is one genius part to this however, ford has i-car and body shop associations doing their dirty work for them. This appears to be one of ford's "better ideas"but it also shows how stupid these grease mechanic and mud slinging brotherhood clubs are.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Sure,fit and finish has always been a concern with aftermarket parts but that doesn't make them unsafe. With no data to support their claim, no crash testing to support their claim, nothing what-so-ever to support their claim, they make these SCARE videos in a desperate attempt to turn around a very dismal parts bottom line.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
There is no such thing as counterfeit parts...and these guys , jhinken, 19boatman60, slushboxH8R these guys are the counterfeits. They were directed here by some "body shop" association if they exist at all. You can tell by the way they refer to themselves as being in the "collision industry." Body shop associations hate to be referred to in any other way. This is just more under-handed bunk from probably one lone conspirator.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
MrSae300, Just because aftermarket parts have been used on automobiles for 20 years, doesn't make them good. I've worked with counterfeit parts for 30 years and the fact is they are almost always inferior to the factory original. Even an untrained amatuer can often spot the difference.
Crash testing is only one aspect of many measurable characteristics of counterfeit parts. There are a long list of other deficiencies to consider with aftermarket parts.
jhinkens 1 year ago
Having been in the Collision industry for more than 25 years. I remember when this aftermarket junk first came out. This stuff was produced for older vehicles. Now, it is produced for new cars...even 2011. Insurance companies force this crap down customers throats and say as good as Original and a means to keep rates down. BS. This junk comes from offshore with minimal quality control, if any. This stuff hardly ever fits without modification. You do get what you pay for. Customers wake up!!
19boatman60 1 year ago
I'm in the collision industry and AM crash parts scare the hell out of me. more consumers need to be aware of this. Until such time as AM manufacturers test their parts the same way the OEs do, I would NEVER use one on a vehicle I own.
SlushboxH8R 1 year ago
wow
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Lets see the video explanation as to why FORD Crown Victoria's gas tanks explode. Or how about the video explaining why accidental air bag deployments happen rendering the driver unconscious in the F150's? And why do we need to care how long it takes for a saw to cut through this bumper? How many vehicles are in danger of being attacked by some crazy person with a sawsall?
TripEngle 1 year ago
And mrlugey25, not to worry, these parts have been put on millions of cars for over 20 years and now that fords part sales are at an all time low they have suddenly become dangerous. I've seen big corporations try these scare tactics before and these guys aren't even good at it.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
Ha Ha..not even close, I'm not affiliated with any aftermarket industry. And once more, I'm not some wanna be lobbyist / activist trying to gain notoriety for my water buffalo lodge type body shop association like you are. I could tell this reply wasn't from a ford representative. Although you open your mouth wide what you spew out of it is best left in some booth at some lame convention. Your agenda of claiming all parts but yours are inferior is weak without actual crash testing.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
MrSae, you clearly work for the aftermarket parts industry. Its obvious to the world even before these demonstrations were made public that aftermarket, typically taiwanese parts are always inferior to those of the original equipment manufacturer. Diamond Standard, one of the better aftermarket parts manufacturers admits that if they were to make the parts equal in every way to the OEM and also have to crash test them they would not be able to be competively priced versus the OEM.
MrNathanbs 1 year ago
Sawing and banging parts with a hammer renders no usable data that relates to occupant safety. Instead of using ford crash data from ford engineers they revert to information they obtain from community college level vocational instructors. This is a desperate last ditch attempt by ford to sell some parts. Which by the way, they haven't been doing a good job of lately. The reason ford does not publish full car crash video of these parts is because the results were not what they expected....
MrSae3000 1 year ago
how many inferior a/m structural parts have been instaled over the years?
should people with these parts on their cars and trucks be contacted and informed of the risk they are facing?
what about the hoods and fenders with poor quality welds etc.?
MrLugey25 1 year ago
@MrLugey25 plenty of salvage title cars on the road or cars that goy into a fender bender and did not report it and just fixed it and sold it a hoods is 1 peiece its just a lil thinner the fenders are the same 1 piece just thinner so its no risk like i said sub frame and frame thake the impact of a hard crash the only down side to certifit parts is they are hard to install correctly and the get beat up a lot eaiser but you are at no risk i know in texas you have to sighn a affidavit
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
@MrLugey25 i know in texas you have to sighn a rebuild affidavit and get the buyer of the car to sign to all it says basically is where the car was hit what i fixed and replaced ive been using a/m parts for years ive never had a cutomer complain and i havent had any problems
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
@MOSESJ1987
Maybe your customers never complained because they were
killed in another wreck.
518jlewis 1 year ago
@518jlewis lmfao so because a femder or radiator support is not as sturdy youd die in a wreck lmfao retard
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
@MOSESJ1987
Didn't you admit in a different that you only had alittle better than an 8th grade education?!
518jlewis 1 year ago
@518jlewis btw whats saves you in a wreck is the airbags and crumple zones on the frame and subframe and those parts cannot be replaced idiot
MOSESJ1987 1 year ago
@MOSESJ1987
Amazing how brave some creatures can be when they know you
can't get to them!
518jlewis 1 year ago
@518jlewis The same could be said for you
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MOSESJ1987 I read your channel comments, and although I truly believe in the first amendment, I am not sure I am comfortable having you on my side of this debate.
MrSae3000 1 year ago
@MOSESJ1987
actually on most vehicles they can be replaced. Well the proper term would be sectioning. Must Convential frames is where you are going to see sectioning time set forth by the manufacturer. Unitized frames you wont see it as often due to the fact the cost of the part and replacing would cost about the same. Ask me how I know I am an Adjuster for a major insurance company and comuncate daily with manufatures to verify what is safe and unsafe as far as repairs.
adamj546 1 year ago