2:37 To answer the implicit rhetorical question: Yes, it is because of Obama. Two wars was under Bush. Bailout was under Bush. Medicare Part D was under Bush. No Child Left Behind was under Bush. No outrage during Bush. Obama gets sworn in, Tea Parties kick off. Now, whether this is because of Obama's blackness or his party affiliation: Both are moronic reasons to oppose him. Either way, the tea party is a moronic movement.
Bigfilmhat, regarding the idea elitism and populism are mutually exclusive:
A person can be both populist and elitist. Populism manifests itself in "something for nothing" rhetoric and policies. The elitism stems from the arrogance that certain people, including Krugman, believe they are part of the chosen few who are so brilliant and enlightened that they should be the ones to dictate policy and micromanage lives. Read a bio of George Wallace.
she must think it was very un-American when a few patriots signed a document back in 1776 commonly known as the Declaration of Independence, I mean after all They made a terrible fuss about King Georges attempt to control their personal lives, how dare they? That was un-American!
If you watch fox like troll u would think that but nancy never actually said anyone at the town halls is unamerican.What she actually said was that the tactic of shouting down people and stoping civil debate is unamerican and i agree with her.but dont actually watch the clip its much more fun to watch hannity paraphrase and distort the what she said.Gets more ratings.Oh and when people on the left were called traitors and told they were aiding terrorism for critiqing the war did u feel the same!
Actually, she said that VERBATIM. look it up... and I dont think liberals are supporters of terrorists, and whoever does is an idiot as well... I just think liberals have lost sight of what America was supposed to be, and they rely on the govt to do everything for them.
Actually I did look it up she gave a statement that I thought was clear but the right went bat shit about it she then clarified her statement and said exactly what I said.If you dont think librals support terrorism then god damit when ur fuvkin crowd says it u ought to call them out 4 it.I think the right has lost sight of what america is supposed to be they seem to think that captolism is governence it is not.I DO NOT THINK THE GOV SHOULD DO EVERYTHING ME.
If you truly believe in what America should be, then you would not support either party. I myself am a Libertarian (like Ron Paul) I study the true intent of the constitution, and it pains me to watch this ignorant generation spit on this great countries foundation.
Only extremists say liberals support terrorists... just like extremest liberals say that republicans want to execute homosexuals and that that 9/11 was an inside job. both sides are corrupt.
This video as well as hundreds of others are still more proof that the main stream media is owned by the liberals,and like you said in your commentary, the only pictures and stories that make the news are the ones that paint the picture the liberals want the public to see.I personally believe this is a type of brain washing by the liberals, to obtain their own agenda, and if we the conservatives don't snap our fingers, america is going to be put under their spell!
This video reminded me of a quote from the movie "The Patriot" Benjamin Martin: Would you tell me please, Mr. Howard, why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can.
"I think 'it's' un-american"? Obviously saying "it's" un-american refers to an action not people.
Our founding fathers were progressive to the point of radical. Over throwing a government and it's church is hardly the definition of "right wing extremists".
I've notice that since Obama got elected, reason and rational thinking is hard to come by from right wing pundits. I wonder why...
The America you long for no longer exists, partner. Your head is stuck on the "founding fathers"? Your heroes and the Constitution they came up with have blood on their hands, the blood of Native Americans and African Americans. Its over for people like you, pal. Talking about folks like Thomas Jefferson. All the cowardly videos placed on You Tube longing for the old days wont change that either. You need to see the writing on the wall. Open your mind.
What makes you think the White establishment won't lock up Blacks Hispanics and Jews if they so desire. Possibly even exterminate them.
History is not always fluid and predictable. Many many variables are in play and things can suddenly change very rapidly in a direction that you may have never thought possible.
As far as you knocking the Constitution and the Founding Fathers well that is truly shameful on your part.
I assure you that you and your relatives had better be ready to die if the so called "White establishment" even remotely begins to "stupidly" implement such an ill-concieved plan. You are probably miserable with yourself. I'm knocking you for holding the Founding Fathers up so high on a pedastal and not recognizing the context in which this country was founded and the Constitution written.You hold the Constitution high one second and then talk of exterminating folks a second later?
Soub33 What a brilliant response, ofcourse the values of founding fathers dont matter since slavery and indinan death was at play. "All people createde equall" doesnt mean a darn thing, the war against slaveholders also doesnt mean a thing, The limited govt. doesnt mean a thing, Our liberties donta mean a dman thing, its just a paper? The constitution are the principles of this country , and had you botherd to study it you wouldnt open you mouth and dare to say that its the thing of the past.
Great Video. Yes, there is a serious problem with media bias, particularly around Obama. I agree completely with your sentiments on the so-called racism of anyone who opposes a black man's viewpoint (in politics at least).
On the other hand, I must confess I do support these plans. Mind you, I'm a British socialist.
I've always found America's fear of socialism strange, since the only real outcome of this extreme view, other than hypothetical liberty, in my view, is poverty.
in the pictures of Ben Franklin and others, how are they right-wing extremists? they seem more like people tired of the status quo that was monarchy of the world at that time...
This does not mean to PROVIDE the general welfare, it simple says to promote it, like telling you to brush your teeth so you don't get cavities, while its still up to you whether or not you want to brush your teeth, they are just PROMOTING the general welfare. Otherwise they would just brush your teeth for you whether you like it or not.
I'm not happy with Pelosi either. But, for some reason, I like this Takimag guy less. Might be cause he sounds like a sissy, i'm not sure.
I like protesters, they are usually extremists, left or right, fueled by negative propaganda. The arguments they make are always the same thing you here on politically one sided news/entertainment shows; talking points, misinformation, inuendo.
Let them be heard so the propaganda can be exposed.
i really liked you views,southernavenger, hope people don't give up their basic rights of protest and free speech, this is what made America great! symbolised by the Statue of Liberty...respect from Australia and Sudan
I wrote to Pelosi. I told her it would be un-American to not speak up against what I view as a blatant disregard to my inherit rights as an American.
Yes yelling at them don't work, but neither is just talking to them. We need a national voting system that would allow us to vote for ourselves since we cannot trust our elected officials to speak for us. After all, my own Senator Spector failed to read the bills before passing them. Lazy traitor.
My senator sent me a response back to a email I sent him. And he started talking about how we do need healthcare, but just not the type the HELP committee is trying to pass. So I sent him back a reply asking if he had even read what I actually said.
I have honestly gotten to the point where I believe politicians are just going to do there own thing no matter what, which sucks when I don't really have a good opt out option.
"I don't really have a good opt out option" is exactly why I suggested the voting system. Everyone has an agenda they work towards.
My agenda is to protect OUR rights and the rights of future generations who have to suffer the consequences of DC's actions. Their agenda seems to be make money and have power. To do that they must cater to the highest bidder, which is not us.
Our voice is stifled by the media. We need a public voting system that they must acknowledge when making laws.
We could go to the Referendum system, but then we'd have a situation like the one in California, where the state is governed by the whims of a capricious electorate that really has no clue. I'm not sure that would help things at all, bud.
I agree that the Referendum system is not helpful, but we must do something to be heard. Petitions might work, if our government would be willing to view them.
There must be some way to be heard clearly without violence. Anyone have ideas on that subject, I am open to them?
You know what? We had the best idea on the subject handed down to us back in 1787. It's called the United States Constitution, and I can guarantee you that if we stick to it, we'll always be successful. Trust me };-)
Yeah, ok, so you are about upholding the constitution, I want to know where in this document it says that the government is in charge of providing healthcare to everyone.
I have a feeling that anything I send you by way of a reply will be dismissed out of hand, and will represent a waste of my time, but here it goes anyway. Try reading the Preamble. The words "general welfare" give me reason to believe that the notion of having access to health care by all would have been something that most, (if not all), of the Founders would have supported to a large extent. We just have to figure out a unique, fair, and equitable way to put that notion into practice.
I wasn't referring to what is commonly known as the "General Welfare Clause. I was referring to the wording contained within the Preamble. The Preamble carries weight because it is the opening salvo in the document, and sets the pace for everything that follows. It cannot be construed to mean anything, just as the rest of the document cannot really be construed to mean "anything". The wording is clear. It may be interpreted in different ways sometimes, but the basic foundations are there.
Bullshit. The preamble may "set the pace" as you say, but it does not hold any legl weight. You can't win a court case by citing the preamble.
Yes it can be construed as to meaning anything, just like you jumped to the conclusion that somehow it means healthcare for all paid by those burdened by taxes.
The founders would have supported this? And I am the one supposedly peddling nonsense? Are you kidding me?
This isn't about winning anything in a court of law. This has more to do with judicial interpretation of constitutional principle, which is different. I see that you apparently lack the objectivity to keep an open mind. I can sense that from your tone. Once a person decides to believe something, any attempt to make them see other points of view is pretty much a waste of time, as I suspected....CONT.
Oh, you can sense from my tone? Oh my. I lack the objectivity because I don't agree with you is more like it.
Oh judicial interpretation to do whatever the fuck you want per your interpretation. You are the one who is full of shit. You try to attack me as narrow-minded (how original, by the way), and short sighted.
I have actually lived under a socialist system, I have been to a communist country, and I do not envy their healthcare one bit.
Are you Cuban? So am I. If what you're trying to do is compare the Obama administration to the Cuban regime, you're more full of shit than I originally thought. Go get some anger management counseling, educate yourself, and do away with the negative attitude, bud. Life will be a lot easier for you once you do that. And spare me the insults. I don't have time for that nonsense. Que se te vaya bien!
CONT....Let's just say that I completely disagree with your views, your intransigence, and your willingness to be short-sighted and narrow-minded. Like I said before, it's a free Country, and I wouldn't have it any other way. But I still think YOU are the one that is full of shit... };-)
You assume that I am entrenched in my views but it is not like you are even listening either way.
You are just interpreting the constitution however the fuck you want and then turn around and say it isn't so.
You called my opinion nonsense, yet you have no argument whatsoever except your interpretation of "general welfare" in the preamble of the US Constitution to support universal healthcare.
It is not shortsightedness, it is the ability to see through half assed arguments and bullshit.
They revolted because they were taxed without having a say about it, but they would endorse a monstruous government run healthcare plan paid for by taxation and inflation?
We talking about the same founders here?
Obviously this comes from someone who is trying to "school" me with videos about the cash for clunkers "success" and videos about how "the stimulus package is working".
You are delusional, this economy was going to the shitter already, and this administration is making things worse.
I agree, the Constitution is the best form of government we have had. However I understood that it was viewed as nothing more then a piece of paper. At least that is what my politics professor said. Ironically, I recall hearing that same comment from a politician but I cannot remember who.
The Constitution holds power because we believe it does, but how do we deal with a government that seems to treat our Constitution as a roll of toilet paper without invoking violence?
I don't see such a government anywhere, bud. The closest we've come to what you describe was when Bush Jr. was in office. Whoever told you that it is viewed as nothing but a piece of paper needs to have their teaching license revoked NOW. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, whether we choose to believe in it or not. Its authority as such is not questioned today, nor has it ever been in question throughout our history. If anything, Americans have almost always aimed to live up to it.
The government taking our rights is the same one that, through the Patriot Act and Presidential Directive 51, basically gave our president the right to infinite unlimited power in the case of an emergency like, say, the swine flu. Those same powers were granted to Chancellor Hitler which allowed him to become the monster we know him as.
No man or woman should ever be given that much authority, yet the unconstitutional laws passed by our government has given one leeway to do just that.
the truth is that the politicos have been sequestered in d.c. for too long, out of reach. after 2 bailouts, the patriot acts, cap and trade, the bozos finally came home. this is not so much a protest of one thing, its the culmination of many frustrations. democrats and republicans are letting their elected reps know their disgust but the media is spinning it as partisan. now we are seeing the politicos backing off of the rhetoric and apologizing for calling these people unamerican or right wing
What these mobs are doing is very, very un-American. Trying to shut down the debate and to shout everyone else down is completely anti-American and anti-democratic. When you try to stand in the way of the democratic process by robbing others of their right to participate in it, you are being genuinely anti-American. That's very different from protesting or asking questions. And racism does play a part in this, whether you care to admit it or not.
race plays into every aspect of an americans life. injecting it into this issue is foolish. this is a leftist tool to quell dissent. i'm a centrist democrat, above all i support labor and civil rights. but hiding behind the race card when you have a difficult opposition is no way to wage politics. americans have been ignored for a looooong time. this is a culmination of anger over the bailouts, patriot acts, etc. now the politicos have to answer in person after ignoring emails and phone calls
That's a somewhat simplistic statement that I don't completely agree with, even though there is some truth to it. The so-called "race card" is very much in play here, because, whether people want to admit it or not, anything this President does will face higher scrutiny and more intense opposition due to the color of his skin. It is an ugly fact, but one that must be accepted and dealt with. Yes, the factors you mention play a part as well, but they're not the only concern by any stretch.
if he would repeal bush's toxic signing statements, the john warner defense authorization act, the patriot act, nafta/gat he would be worthy of our trust. as it is, he is a continuation of a series of corporatist administrations. if he would follow the constitution and the bill of rights we would all love him. he's more european than he is any other ethnicity and thats why he was able to run for president. why should we trust him when he breaks all of his promises? why wont he prosecute bush?
The objectionable portions of H.R. 5122 have already been repealed, and the entire bill is slated to expire in 2012. The vast majority of the signing statements have been reversed by President Obama through Executive Orders. The objectionable portions of the Patriot Act have been mostly repealed or invalidated as well. The bill is needed because, in case you haven't noticed, we do have mortal enemies out there that want to kill every single American. Vulnerability is not a luxury we can afford.
the mortal enemies are not normal citizens. i would like for you to quote at least 5 instances where President Obama restored liberties violated by Pres. Bush. the patriot act was on the shelf waiting for its opportune time for 20 years before it was implemented after 9/11. i dont buy what you are selling on that front.
i am going to die as surely as i was born. in the meantime i want to live my life in complete freedom. if a terrorist take me it was my time to go anyway. we dont need lists of people who never committed a crime, who are under "suspicion". we dont need people's second amendment revoked because mr. emmanuel thinks they are guilty for being on a no fly list. we created radical islam. we control and fund radical islam through our intelligence agencies. we've been doing this since the carter admin
the crux of the arguement is that the left uses race,gender,gender orientation to quell dissent.we are at a serious cross roads in our country now.we are a representative democracy, people have the right to be heard. in times like these when people are losing everything they have a right to speak out about the direction of their country. they are not racist because they have legitimate concerns. i didnt see one racist sign in this video, the birther one is borderline. where are the racist signs?
Racism doesn't necessarily exist overtly and openly in every instance. It can also be covert and insidious. The way people act can be an indication of racist leanings. I don't really blame them completely. I find it understandable if poorly educated working class white people feel threatened by the changes that are taking place in our Country. Ignorance, prejudice, and manipulation feed on poor education. There's racism there, but I think that not all of it is a result of a conscious decision.
Agreed. Racism is the result of many factors, from basic upbringing to how one is treated in school by a member of an opposite race to anger at how a race treated ones ancestors. Racism is a vile demon that haunts all peoples. It does need eradicated, but not by force. Only education can kill racism, and education seems to be lacking in both schools and at home.
172677 How does it feel now that the proof shows it's the dems doing the bussing and writing the scripts for their union and acorn goons.The head of the dept of health tells them to keep it up after they beat a man up,the dems only allowing unions and acorn into town hall meetings.Yep,you should be very proud,everything you said about the gop that you hate turns out to be not gop but the dems.
What Pelosi was speaking of are those screwballs who are being sponsored by corporations and following a script written for them. Being obnoxious while being ignorant, not letting other speak is unAmerican....as are the coporation who bus these wingnuts around.
When the plan is to disrupt the democratic process, it's unpatriotic and borders on treason.
The only thing that saves these bozos is they are so entirely stupid they have no clue what that are screaming about.
While you may hope that the America of the founding fathers still exists, I submit that it does not. The last 3 presidents are not representative of America. Neither is the Congress. Perpetual war, and economic disaster were created by people who have no interest in the Constitution or the principles this country once adhered too. And these people are in power.
I suspect America, as I knew it, is not coming back.
I tend to agree with you all except that the original America is not coming back. I believe it will come back to a degree. If some series of events happens, that shake the faith of the average person in the federal government, (not recessions or bailouts, something major) things may change. Our people do not have the tradition of centuries of oppression like our European forefathers do.
Let's clarify. What are these people so angry about? The "public option" isn't exactly socialism. It's not the government owning a hospital or anything. I think we have to be a lot more clear with what we're opposing here. Don't act like the CEO of a company taking a salary hundreds or thousands of times greater than the guy in the mail room isn't just as much a "redistribution of wealth" as the government is capable of, regardless of whether or not the former is "private" or even "voluntary."
Once again you seemingly claim that racism isn't at all a factor in any of the protests, which is simply not the case. I wouldn't claim that *you* are racist, but it's not like we've completely eradicated it from the country. And why was it so great that the guy was carrying a gun around? It's not like I don't trust the guy himself, but you never know what can happen in situations like that with other people. btw, don't you think we could find just as many crazy signs as reasonable signs?
And what about "the corporations"? Should they not "fear the people" as well? It's too bad they've seemingly formed a complex with the government.
I'm sure all politicians are fine with open and honest debate. Shouting down people who are trying to explain things to you is not conducive to this, not that I claim that's all that's going on.
They are angry because they see the current administration doing precisely what it said it would do prior to taking power. The anger you see is eminently appropriate ~ it is rage directed at the embodiment of a system which cares nothing for the will of the governed & is bringing us closer to dis-integration as a nation.
What would be inappropriate here is calm, dispassionate dialogue. Emotions have a purpose. That purpose is being realized @ these town hall meetings.
We're already in a civil war. wake up and smell the coffee. No one has the balls to take up arms against this regime(government). Social warefare is just at the yelling point. I think were in about the "Missouri Compromise" point in the country right now .
Good thing is, being conservatives, we're gona be the ones with the Guns.
To paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, "Opposition to Socialism is un-American." Not my view, but hers. If the Socialist-Democrats keep rushing townhalls or there is no effort to balance audience composition, I predict a violent spark leading the USA into Civil War 3.
Social liberalism and fiscal conservatism are mutually exclusive. While you may disagree with this, I submit that this is why Libertarianism has never made significant progress (ie, winning moderate numbers of congressional seats).
@FreedomsReigning: Libertarians aren't necessarily socially liberal. Being a consistent libertarian only requires a belief in the non-aggression principal. Someone could be a racist/sexist/religious extremist/etc and still be a consistent libertarian as long as he didn't advocate that other people should be forced to live their lives the way he thinks that they should.
Yes, nevermind that he railed against the slave trade repeatedly, had a love affair with one of his slaves, and bought so many of them and spent so much money educating, clothing, and sheltering them like they were all middle class citizens he nearly went bankrupt.
Shipping people back to Africa maybe? Yeah, where they can just be sold right back into slavery by their chieftains.
I'm afraid they'll get rolled over by a tyrannical government. The left is always screaming but never gets what it wants; leftism just goes further left and they never get their all-desired money, and the way things are going, never will, but will end up impoverished and "destitute on the continent their fathers conquered". The right will never be listened to until we're slaves, or minions, and now and until then we will always be characterized as the rich, etc., withholding their 'fair share'.
When things "go South" this leftist government will then be characterized as "rightist," "communistic," etc., and we'll bear the blame again of what we warned and protested against in all ardor, warning, and consummate disdain to the end of lungs, once again disdained as un-American, the champions always of what the people blame us for.
Remember how and what happened in The Civil War? A few slave-owners dominated a legitimate cry for freedom and self-governance. Welcome to The Civil War II.
The mainstream media are the true un-americans. whether it's Fox CNN or MSNBC. they are lap dogs for the two ruling parties, and the multi-national corporations that are running the agenda.
It is a shame that they have been able, thru mis-information campaigns, and fear mongering, to divide and conquer the people. Civil discourse and understanding of each other is the only way to move this country forward. protesting has it's place, but please be informed about what you're yelling about.
Kathleen Sebelius as HHS Secretary? what a joke! She doesn't even have any previous "experience" in healthcare!! Or at least the wiki people claim so.
This was a great video. This nation's media has truly sunk to it's lowest low. Do they still pretend they're unbiased anymore? Because I've never seen such partisan drivel before...
SA this is the best one yet!!! Don't worry tho I think we are just getting started. People have awoken from the happy coma's they are in and want to know what is really going on, adn why parts of the constitution are being infringed.
There is only one group that enjoys low premiums not attached to employement, excellent medical care, short wait times and low cost of medical treatment even if uninsured and none of the patients are government subsidized.
The medical professionals in this sector are lightly regulated don't have to pay high malpractice insurance and have access to the latest in drug therapies and equipment.
Have you guessed who has this kind of medical care with virtually no government interference?
Has anyone else noticed that with all the protests going on and getting larger are mainly almost ALL white people? Ask yourself this WHY is that? Could it be because these are the issues that the majority of white people care about considering our country was NOT founded on steal from the neighbor to give to those who refuse to earn it for themselves. ADMIT it the races are different. And diversity is going to be the death of this nation. And saying so is NOT racist.
I agree with a limited government and constitutional republic (in addition to our country not being founded on stealing), but to say there are differences between the races is utterly preposterous. There are differences between personality types, good and bad. These personality types exist in all races/ethnicities.
You know, all this talk about a government takeover, and The Netherlands has a public option and six different private insurers. Where's the takeover there?
Not to mention that while all this bullshit talk about the Dems plan being so horrible and filled with special interests, the Reps plan is no better. All it does is encourage people to go buy health care that they already cant afford.
This is stupid. Support the ONLY Bipartisan bill in congress. Ron Wynard's Healthy Americans Act!
Republicans and Democrats are the same crappy bunch in the pocket of the FED and Corporations running this country. it's a waste of time speaking about this paradigm.
I think there were many Ron Paul supporters, but when the Diebold machines rigged the primaries for McCain and when the media marginalized Ron Paul, I think most Ron paul supporters voted for Obama only so that McCain wouldn't get elected.
Both do suck. I voted for Cynthia McKinney. Both McCain and Obama (Soetoro) want to create a puppet organization called the League of Democracies which is a pro-Israeli broker.
Nah, the Ron Paul supporters know very well that voting for Obama is just as bad as voting for McCain, that's why we call them McBama lol.
The Ron Paul supporters just went on with the Campaign for Liberty, which is supporting Liberty Candidate such as Peter Schiff, Rand Paul (Ron Paul's son), Adam Kokesh, among others.
Our country became the most powerful country the world had ever known because it was founded under the tree of Liberty.
Its incredible how the Obama Zombies say Obama is FIGHTING the insurance companies with his plan, when they were his BIGGEST DONORS outside wallstreet banks
I voted for Obama, but I'm definitely not some mindless zombie. His bill blows. As a matter of fact, ALL the bills in the House suck except for the Healthy Americans Act.
Funny how NEITHER side is talking about it. Maybe because it has 14 bipartisan cosponsors and NO special interests.
There are many people who voted Bush the 2nd time because they genuinely believed he was best for America. They took a look at both sides & thought Bush was the better option. And many still think that while others see it was a huge blunder. We all make mistakes.
I did the same with Obama because I honestly thought he had a concise plan and would rule with bipartisanship. I committed the same huge blunder. It's a shame though. He could actually be a good leader if he just thinks things through.
I think your mistakes came not because you guessed wrong and thought he would be good for America but (and I am going to be a bit harsh) you were too lazy and uninterested to look at the voting records (to see how much they respect the Constitution) and to research the political philosophy of this character (Obama).
It was a lot easier letting Hardball and the overall TV hypnosis tell you who the players where than to really look deep into the subject and realize who they are or work for.
So you did research the candidates voting records and the sponsors behind their political careers?
And if you did and still voted for Obama then I have to say you were not distracted but dumb. No offense, but a thorough research of the candidates clearly shows they are all own by special interests and not the principles of our country.
Wow,.. if he believed that he didn't understand Liberty, what a Sound Monetary System is, Austrian Economics and what and the overall concept of a real Free Market.
The problem in this case is many of the protestors are not so much angry with specific policy points as angry with the exaggerations of those points that are spread on the "news."
Providing care for the poor, or uninsured could be as simple as having states add an option on state tax returns for voluntary donations to pay for health care for the poor. It could be handled by state governments entirely. Most people I know would love to have the opportunity to donate money, time or resources to help take care of our neighbors who are having rough times.
"Zookeepers examining the animals in their keep" is a pretty accurate description of the truth of the matter. How could the 'zookeepers' see these creatures as anything but?
The tree of life is soon withered and dead when the weed that is gov spreads out of control. Gov is not the answer, it's the problem. Big gov is destroying everything that was good and great in America. Now we have Canadians telling how great socialism is in their country and that we really have to do it here. Don't believe them, don't allow this country to succumb to the socialist weeds. End the Fed, end big gov.
As a Canadian, I'm somewhat confounded by the reaction of Americans to Obama's health proposal. (I know I'm going to get a hell of a lot flack for my nationality alone). And I hardly see it as socialist, or a redistribution of wealth. Here's something to chew on, in 2007 Canada spent 10.6% of it GDP on a single-payer (government) system, while the United States spent 15.2% to prop up a completely private system. There's something very srewed up there.
Just those facts indicate we can't trust the USA government to do anything right. The system is too corrupt and needs a reset to constitutional limits, and if we really want them to do things like health care, we should amend our constitution.
If that be the case, maybe the states should handle it. One misconception of Canadian healthcare that people tend to believe it's the Federal government that oversees it. It doesn't. The provinces do (in addition to education and natural resources.)
Yet oddly Canadians come to this country to seek out health care.
No, it isn't perfect. We've allowed corporate medicine to take over our medical field and people here are sue happy. Both of which sends the cost of medical services sky rocketing.
But let me tell you, as an american indian and some one who has war veterans for relatives the last thing you want is the US government running your... ANYTHING. But health care specifically, being the topic at hand.
If they're willing to pay for it, then I say by all means go south to get treatment but I imagine the amount of Canadians that seek treatment in the United States is negligible. I'm not adverse to having the private sector having a role in healthcare, but what about those that can't afford it?
Granted, I'm not certain if the Declaration of Independence counts as a constitutional document, but doesn't corporate medicine go against "Life, Liberte, and Pursuit of Happiness" that Jefferson wrote?
What protesters would like is to have the liberty which has slowly been taken from us - and given over to corrupt LOOTERS - returned to us. Our taxes have helped support the expansion of a corrupt empire over the face of the globe - government contracts for bioweapons created by the pharmaceutical industry to inflict millions with illness for profit - for example.
Federal control of health care would be the nail in our coffin.
I am sorry you don't understand that. There is a war on.
Medicare and Medicaid are both government programs. Our health care system is 46-48% controlled by the government. We are facing a large government entitlement crisis which will rear its head in the next 10-30 years. Our government created HMOs, which many here hate. Insurance companies get subsidies from the government. The US system of health care is far from completely private. We've seen what government has done with health care already, we don't want anymore intervention.
True, but our health care system is controlled by government and private industry in collusion to a greater degree than 46-48%. The pharmaceutical industry controls the curriculum and training of physicians via trusts. 100% percent. Pharmaceuticals (or the doctors who prescribe them correctly and incorrectly) are the #1 cause of death in the US, at present, as reported by the AMA themselves.
Yes, I agree the collusion is at a near total level between government and big business. The "official" numbers according to said programs were what I was pointing out.
COMPLETELY private system? Damn that's the stupidest thing I've read all day. It most certainly NOT private, if it was "private" how could the government have spent public funds on it? We have a huge amount of government health care here, ever heard of Medicaid and Medicaire? Both bullshit socialist programs that are bankrupting our country. And no one cares if you're Canadian, ignorant neocons usually don't watch libertarian minded videos.
yes I also agree that healthcare should be left completely to market forces where they can charge us whatever they want for them.
I also agree that the rest of the nations in the developed world who have universal healthcare and would be outraged if their governments ever tried to abolish it are backwards and socialistic.
actually I'm an anarchist so the word nationalisation doesn't really apply to my argument, but yes, I am also interested in ensuring that everyone can get 3 meals a day regardless of market conditions. I must be a filthy red for caring, right?
Stop with the strawman. I wasn't questioning how compassionate you were, I was attacking your nonsense about them being able to charge whatever they wanted(there might be some truth to that right now, but certainly not under market forces).
RJ..I lived in thiose natios for years..even western ones (UK) among the emerging post soviet mess. I came home so I could get good medical care. In Aberdeen SCotland..report to a doctor with chest pains.. get scheduled for a cardiologist in 6 months. Die waiting. And the joke is the vist is not billed, but it is not free: the ins premium is a separte income deduction from all working. You pay it even while waiting to see the cardiologist. Not here..no!
yes of course the state has done everything they can to beaurocratise and destroy our public health care services, the problem is not the institution but that it is run top down, the hospitals and their staff don't have the autonomy to run their own clinics as they want to but that can be changed
private health care is better here of course but at least people who can't afford to pay for it have an option of nhs!
Have your read Patrick Henry's speech on the stamp act and the way it was delivered? He was pissed as hell. Shouting at intrusive unconstitutional government is american. This doesn't hinder other peoples right. Interrupting is rude no matter if the person is talking calmly or screaming. The other person should have a back bone. If screaming is all it takes to shut a citizen up what are we coming to?
But here's the problem. I am just as American as anyone here, and I support healthcare reform. I am not unique in that opinion either.
It's NOT just something "the government" wants to do.
It's not the people vs the government. It's the people vs the people!
And many people who shout do so because they are angry & scared-because they think all this crazy stuff is in the bill-if it really WAS, we'd all be that angry & scared.
let's be honest-this is left vs right. Not people vs the gov.
The problem is that you have no right to tell other people they ought to be taxed to provide someting that the government has no business doing.
It is the people who do not know a fucking thing about economics versus those who know that further government meddling will just make our healthcare system worse.
You have no right to tell other people they can't receive healthcare, especially after many of them pumped thousands of dollars into private insurers, only to get denied when they needed care the most.
I don't get why you guys trust profit-driven assholes who have no one to answer to whatsoever. if people could choose affordable healthcare that doesn't deny them when they need it, they would. It doesn't exist in this country.
Everything doesnt need to be about a profit. Christ!
I am not saying that, I am saying that I have no obligation to provide for your healthcare, just like other Americans aren't.
You are damned straight that sort of healthcare doesn't exist here, and it is because government killed it. Profit driven healthcare like lasik eye surgeries are affordable and of good quality because they are not covered by government mandated insurance.
Everything doesn't need to be for profit? tell me, are you a medical doctor giving away your labor for free?
I always think it's revealing how free market advocates say "I shouldn't have to pay for your..."
It is a display of the general selfishness that fuels all this social inequality.
How do you know you're going to pay for ME? I'm 26 & in good health, and going to school.
You know what? I would pay for your healthcare though, through taxes of course. But if people tell me I don't have to pay, and I can donate instead, chances are I'm going to donate less than I would pay.
By all means you and your government run health care advocate friends don't have to wait for the government. They can all head down to the hospital and pay off people's bills. Take that turd Paul Krugman with you since he supposedly cares so damn much. No one is stopping all these "elites" who advocate government run health care from helping, but don't force me to pay for it. You have no right to do so, nor any logical argument. It's not greed, it's wanting to keep our own money.
HAHAHAHA, selfishness. But you are such a selfless guy by taking away from others to fit your agenda. Yes, there is something revealing about "I should not have to pay for your....", it means that we vaalue our freedom and that if we want to help others we should be free to do so, not forced to do so like idiots like you think we ought to.
You do not pay for my healthcared jackass, I pay for it. I take care of myself and I pay for my insurance.
That you believe the rhetoric is your FIRST mistake. Think about this: The government enables insurance companies to do this. It is a fact. They are doing it. Legally. Why does it happen in the first place? Why are they allowed to do it?
Read about the Hegelian Dialectic.
You are right about profit-driven assholes. Those profit driven assholes will benefit most from this bill, or it wouldn't even be on the table.
"Those profit driven assholes would benefit most from this bill, or it wouldn't even be on the table."
See, with attitudes this pessimistic, we can't even let the government try to help people if it wants to. And so we permit corporations to monopolize more & more, and I think that is the idea of it all.
Like I said, people loved Reagan, who always talked about smaller government. Then he got into office and let corporations imperialize small businesses throughout the 80's.
Ah, so I take it you bring nothing to the table, but you seek to demand from others when the burden is carried by others. How fucking benevolent and thoughtful.
False altruism is so evident in you, and I can smell the fucking putrid odor emanating from you.
Do you really think the only people who believe in government programs, and giving back, are people who aren't willing to work, and people who don't earn a lot? That is a fucking myth, and it's offensive.
As if all left wing people are trust fund kids & welfare recipients. Thats like saying all right wing people are Corporate CEO's & broke ass rednecks mad about parting with their money.
No-we are just people with different ideologies. I don't get gov assistance. You don't pay for me.
I never said that. I said that you are no fucking doctor and you are not out there giving healthcare for free but you expect others to because if they profit from it they would be "immoral".
You think you are benevolent because you want to force people out of the fruits of their labor to give it to others. You have no authority, moral or legal to do so.
Besides, it is the idiotic programs by the government that you advocate that have driven up the price of medicine, not the free market.
Whadda uy wanna do, Zndprophet? Chain up all doctors and and medically qualified, and tell them who for and when to function as the statists pay them. Then the state will decide who can stand in line and for how long. Reform? Yes it is needed..but that need does not pre-approve any and every cockamamy attempt to further disrupt the economy for socialist ideals.
"You have no right to tell other people they can't receive healthcare"
We don't and we aren't. We are saying that they have no right to force us to pay for it.
Yeah, insurance companies are scum bags and a huge part of the problem. Which is why the only reason I have health insurance is because it is provided for free at my job. And only have car insurance because it is the law.
Oh that's right the government forces me to pay these vultures. -_-;
You know why health care is expensive to the point that they won't treat you unless you are insured?
Pointless bullshit lawsuits. There are times people do have cases, but this sue happy country has jacked the price of health care through the roof. So how about some lawsuit reform?
Even the insurence companies admit that frivolus lawsuits only account forives 0.1% of the cost of insurence.Also I thought one of bushe's great achievments was tort reform.But hey if a doc takes out your gaul blatter when you were there for a visectime(happened 2 my uncle)u shouldnt be able to sue.
That's a wonderful strawman right there buddy. Yup. I believe doctors shouldn't ever be held accountable.
And Bush and tort reform is like saying No Child Left Behind reformed the Department of Education. =P
I'd also like to know where you got your number right there, and why you feel I should continue this discourse with you if you can't be bothered to actually type out the words "two" and "you" (sorry ahead of time, but that's a pet peeve of mine. =P)
Fact is that having a bullseye on our backs,we dive deeper into the issues
and find the truth,within legislation.The majority of the left blindly accepts what they're told without research.And most often will go along with damaging legislation as long as the left crafts it.
I challenge you to poll anyone in the lefts targetted voter areas,and you'll see just how ignorant the left really is.eight out of ten will know nothing about politics,or current events,unless it's Pdiddy.
I'm a libertarian. I refuse to submit myself to your right/left view of the world. I believe gays should be able to marry, pot should be legal, every one should have a gun, and that government health care programs are bullocks.
I know there aren't many social conservatives anymore, but economically-you are very far right. The far right has proven to be wrong about everything, including economics. ESPECIALLY economics. All the way from Hoover-who started the great depression, to Reagan, who pushed our national deficit into high gear from which it never recovered-to Bush, who gave us this recession.
And of course you blame it on the left every time, and take credit for Clinton's progress
Hoover created unprecedented intervention. Roosevelt's administration even admitted his programs were just bigger extensions of Hoover's. Reagan exploded the deficits. Bush spent more than any president in history until Obama. None of these people fit the idea of limited government, fiscal responsibility, true free trade, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. Don't pin the aforementioned names' failures on a school of thought completely different from them.
Paul Krugman is a god damned moron. I genuinely hopes he is stricken with some kind of horrible disease.
s0beit 7 months ago
2:37 To answer the implicit rhetorical question: Yes, it is because of Obama. Two wars was under Bush. Bailout was under Bush. Medicare Part D was under Bush. No Child Left Behind was under Bush. No outrage during Bush. Obama gets sworn in, Tea Parties kick off. Now, whether this is because of Obama's blackness or his party affiliation: Both are moronic reasons to oppose him. Either way, the tea party is a moronic movement.
therealaj123 8 months ago
Look what quietly taking up the butt has gotten us!
meandean222 2 years ago
Paul Krugman is one of the smartest economists of our time. It's a shame that he advice isn't implemented by our leaders.
darsh5k 2 years ago
There is no elitismin Krugman, he is the most economic populist economist around and to call him elitist is just bizarre.
bigfilmhat 2 years ago
Bigfilmhat, regarding the idea elitism and populism are mutually exclusive:
A person can be both populist and elitist. Populism manifests itself in "something for nothing" rhetoric and policies. The elitism stems from the arrogance that certain people, including Krugman, believe they are part of the chosen few who are so brilliant and enlightened that they should be the ones to dictate policy and micromanage lives. Read a bio of George Wallace.
craig4252 2 years ago
she must think it was very un-American when a few patriots signed a document back in 1776 commonly known as the Declaration of Independence, I mean after all They made a terrible fuss about King Georges attempt to control their personal lives, how dare they? That was un-American!
Nancy is a complete moron.
youngbono18 2 years ago
If you watch fox like troll u would think that but nancy never actually said anyone at the town halls is unamerican.What she actually said was that the tactic of shouting down people and stoping civil debate is unamerican and i agree with her.but dont actually watch the clip its much more fun to watch hannity paraphrase and distort the what she said.Gets more ratings.Oh and when people on the left were called traitors and told they were aiding terrorism for critiqing the war did u feel the same!
chrisgalizia 2 years ago
Actually, she said that VERBATIM. look it up... and I dont think liberals are supporters of terrorists, and whoever does is an idiot as well... I just think liberals have lost sight of what America was supposed to be, and they rely on the govt to do everything for them.
I myself stand by the constitution.
youngbono18 2 years ago
Actually I did look it up she gave a statement that I thought was clear but the right went bat shit about it she then clarified her statement and said exactly what I said.If you dont think librals support terrorism then god damit when ur fuvkin crowd says it u ought to call them out 4 it.I think the right has lost sight of what america is supposed to be they seem to think that captolism is governence it is not.I DO NOT THINK THE GOV SHOULD DO EVERYTHING ME.
chrisgalizia 2 years ago
If you truly believe in what America should be, then you would not support either party. I myself am a Libertarian (like Ron Paul) I study the true intent of the constitution, and it pains me to watch this ignorant generation spit on this great countries foundation.
Only extremists say liberals support terrorists... just like extremest liberals say that republicans want to execute homosexuals and that that 9/11 was an inside job. both sides are corrupt.
youngbono18 2 years ago
really because i think that George W. Bush was scared of its citizens when it implemented racial profiling of Muslims.
IndieAzhar 2 years ago
This video as well as hundreds of others are still more proof that the main stream media is owned by the liberals,and like you said in your commentary, the only pictures and stories that make the news are the ones that paint the picture the liberals want the public to see.I personally believe this is a type of brain washing by the liberals, to obtain their own agenda, and if we the conservatives don't snap our fingers, america is going to be put under their spell!
mykidsdad36 2 years ago
This video reminded me of a quote from the movie "The Patriot" Benjamin Martin: Would you tell me please, Mr. Howard, why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can.
tcmccracken 2 years ago
Krugman is such an asshole.
djsherin 2 years ago 6
"I think 'it's' un-american"? Obviously saying "it's" un-american refers to an action not people.
Our founding fathers were progressive to the point of radical. Over throwing a government and it's church is hardly the definition of "right wing extremists".
I've notice that since Obama got elected, reason and rational thinking is hard to come by from right wing pundits. I wonder why...
eelzen 2 years ago
The America you long for no longer exists, partner. Your head is stuck on the "founding fathers"? Your heroes and the Constitution they came up with have blood on their hands, the blood of Native Americans and African Americans. Its over for people like you, pal. Talking about folks like Thomas Jefferson. All the cowardly videos placed on You Tube longing for the old days wont change that either. You need to see the writing on the wall. Open your mind.
soub33 2 years ago
What makes you think the White establishment won't lock up Blacks Hispanics and Jews if they so desire. Possibly even exterminate them.
History is not always fluid and predictable. Many many variables are in play and things can suddenly change very rapidly in a direction that you may have never thought possible.
As far as you knocking the Constitution and the Founding Fathers well that is truly shameful on your part.
phausser 2 years ago
I assure you that you and your relatives had better be ready to die if the so called "White establishment" even remotely begins to "stupidly" implement such an ill-concieved plan. You are probably miserable with yourself. I'm knocking you for holding the Founding Fathers up so high on a pedastal and not recognizing the context in which this country was founded and the Constitution written.You hold the Constitution high one second and then talk of exterminating folks a second later?
soub33 2 years ago
Soub33 What a brilliant response, ofcourse the values of founding fathers dont matter since slavery and indinan death was at play. "All people createde equall" doesnt mean a darn thing, the war against slaveholders also doesnt mean a thing, The limited govt. doesnt mean a thing, Our liberties donta mean a dman thing, its just a paper? The constitution are the principles of this country , and had you botherd to study it you wouldnt open you mouth and dare to say that its the thing of the past.
samuils 2 years ago
Great Video. Yes, there is a serious problem with media bias, particularly around Obama. I agree completely with your sentiments on the so-called racism of anyone who opposes a black man's viewpoint (in politics at least).
On the other hand, I must confess I do support these plans. Mind you, I'm a British socialist.
I've always found America's fear of socialism strange, since the only real outcome of this extreme view, other than hypothetical liberty, in my view, is poverty.
06simpry 2 years ago
in the pictures of Ben Franklin and others, how are they right-wing extremists? they seem more like people tired of the status quo that was monarchy of the world at that time...
Xenthoid 2 years ago
"promote the general Welfare"
This does not mean to PROVIDE the general welfare, it simple says to promote it, like telling you to brush your teeth so you don't get cavities, while its still up to you whether or not you want to brush your teeth, they are just PROMOTING the general welfare. Otherwise they would just brush your teeth for you whether you like it or not.
I'll brush my own teeth, thanks....
romeshomey 2 years ago 5
I'm not happy with Pelosi either. But, for some reason, I like this Takimag guy less. Might be cause he sounds like a sissy, i'm not sure.
I like protesters, they are usually extremists, left or right, fueled by negative propaganda. The arguments they make are always the same thing you here on politically one sided news/entertainment shows; talking points, misinformation, inuendo.
Let them be heard so the propaganda can be exposed.
Redthatsmyname 2 years ago
i really liked you views,southernavenger, hope people don't give up their basic rights of protest and free speech, this is what made America great! symbolised by the Statue of Liberty...respect from Australia and Sudan
peacechild61 2 years ago
I wrote to Pelosi. I told her it would be un-American to not speak up against what I view as a blatant disregard to my inherit rights as an American.
Yes yelling at them don't work, but neither is just talking to them. We need a national voting system that would allow us to vote for ourselves since we cannot trust our elected officials to speak for us. After all, my own Senator Spector failed to read the bills before passing them. Lazy traitor.
obalesque 2 years ago 3
@obalesque
I know what you mean.
My senator sent me a response back to a email I sent him. And he started talking about how we do need healthcare, but just not the type the HELP committee is trying to pass. So I sent him back a reply asking if he had even read what I actually said.
I have honestly gotten to the point where I believe politicians are just going to do there own thing no matter what, which sucks when I don't really have a good opt out option.
MRSketch09 2 years ago
"I don't really have a good opt out option" is exactly why I suggested the voting system. Everyone has an agenda they work towards.
My agenda is to protect OUR rights and the rights of future generations who have to suffer the consequences of DC's actions. Their agenda seems to be make money and have power. To do that they must cater to the highest bidder, which is not us.
Our voice is stifled by the media. We need a public voting system that they must acknowledge when making laws.
obalesque 2 years ago
We could go to the Referendum system, but then we'd have a situation like the one in California, where the state is governed by the whims of a capricious electorate that really has no clue. I'm not sure that would help things at all, bud.
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
I agree that the Referendum system is not helpful, but we must do something to be heard. Petitions might work, if our government would be willing to view them.
There must be some way to be heard clearly without violence. Anyone have ideas on that subject, I am open to them?
obalesque 2 years ago
You know what? We had the best idea on the subject handed down to us back in 1787. It's called the United States Constitution, and I can guarantee you that if we stick to it, we'll always be successful. Trust me };-)
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
Yeah, ok, so you are about upholding the constitution, I want to know where in this document it says that the government is in charge of providing healthcare to everyone.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
I have a feeling that anything I send you by way of a reply will be dismissed out of hand, and will represent a waste of my time, but here it goes anyway. Try reading the Preamble. The words "general welfare" give me reason to believe that the notion of having access to health care by all would have been something that most, (if not all), of the Founders would have supported to a large extent. We just have to figure out a unique, fair, and equitable way to put that notion into practice.
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
The General Welfare clause is another copout. In that case nothing restricts the government from doing whatever they deem is for our "welfare".
It can be construed to mean anything. Besides, the preamble itself does not have any legal weight.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
I wasn't referring to what is commonly known as the "General Welfare Clause. I was referring to the wording contained within the Preamble. The Preamble carries weight because it is the opening salvo in the document, and sets the pace for everything that follows. It cannot be construed to mean anything, just as the rest of the document cannot really be construed to mean "anything". The wording is clear. It may be interpreted in different ways sometimes, but the basic foundations are there.
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
Bullshit. The preamble may "set the pace" as you say, but it does not hold any legl weight. You can't win a court case by citing the preamble.
Yes it can be construed as to meaning anything, just like you jumped to the conclusion that somehow it means healthcare for all paid by those burdened by taxes.
The founders would have supported this? And I am the one supposedly peddling nonsense? Are you kidding me?
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
This isn't about winning anything in a court of law. This has more to do with judicial interpretation of constitutional principle, which is different. I see that you apparently lack the objectivity to keep an open mind. I can sense that from your tone. Once a person decides to believe something, any attempt to make them see other points of view is pretty much a waste of time, as I suspected....CONT.
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
Oh, you can sense from my tone? Oh my. I lack the objectivity because I don't agree with you is more like it.
Oh judicial interpretation to do whatever the fuck you want per your interpretation. You are the one who is full of shit. You try to attack me as narrow-minded (how original, by the way), and short sighted.
I have actually lived under a socialist system, I have been to a communist country, and I do not envy their healthcare one bit.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
Are you Cuban? So am I. If what you're trying to do is compare the Obama administration to the Cuban regime, you're more full of shit than I originally thought. Go get some anger management counseling, educate yourself, and do away with the negative attitude, bud. Life will be a lot easier for you once you do that. And spare me the insults. I don't have time for that nonsense. Que se te vaya bien!
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
No, I am not Cuban, but good try trying to set up a strawman. I was in the Soviet Union before it fell.
But judging from your poor Spanish, you have not been to Cuba or even Miami.
My anger management would consist of you fucking statists keep your hands out of my pockets, and claiming to be morally superior to me.
Vete a comer mierda, socialista hijo de puta.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
CONT....Let's just say that I completely disagree with your views, your intransigence, and your willingness to be short-sighted and narrow-minded. Like I said before, it's a free Country, and I wouldn't have it any other way. But I still think YOU are the one that is full of shit... };-)
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
You assume that I am entrenched in my views but it is not like you are even listening either way.
You are just interpreting the constitution however the fuck you want and then turn around and say it isn't so.
You called my opinion nonsense, yet you have no argument whatsoever except your interpretation of "general welfare" in the preamble of the US Constitution to support universal healthcare.
It is not shortsightedness, it is the ability to see through half assed arguments and bullshit.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
They revolted because they were taxed without having a say about it, but they would endorse a monstruous government run healthcare plan paid for by taxation and inflation?
We talking about the same founders here?
Obviously this comes from someone who is trying to "school" me with videos about the cash for clunkers "success" and videos about how "the stimulus package is working".
You are delusional, this economy was going to the shitter already, and this administration is making things worse.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
I agree, the Constitution is the best form of government we have had. However I understood that it was viewed as nothing more then a piece of paper. At least that is what my politics professor said. Ironically, I recall hearing that same comment from a politician but I cannot remember who.
The Constitution holds power because we believe it does, but how do we deal with a government that seems to treat our Constitution as a roll of toilet paper without invoking violence?
obalesque 2 years ago
I don't see such a government anywhere, bud. The closest we've come to what you describe was when Bush Jr. was in office. Whoever told you that it is viewed as nothing but a piece of paper needs to have their teaching license revoked NOW. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, whether we choose to believe in it or not. Its authority as such is not questioned today, nor has it ever been in question throughout our history. If anything, Americans have almost always aimed to live up to it.
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
The government taking our rights is the same one that, through the Patriot Act and Presidential Directive 51, basically gave our president the right to infinite unlimited power in the case of an emergency like, say, the swine flu. Those same powers were granted to Chancellor Hitler which allowed him to become the monster we know him as.
No man or woman should ever be given that much authority, yet the unconstitutional laws passed by our government has given one leeway to do just that.
obalesque 2 years ago
lol that politician was Bush
regnarBO 2 years ago
the truth is that the politicos have been sequestered in d.c. for too long, out of reach. after 2 bailouts, the patriot acts, cap and trade, the bozos finally came home. this is not so much a protest of one thing, its the culmination of many frustrations. democrats and republicans are letting their elected reps know their disgust but the media is spinning it as partisan. now we are seeing the politicos backing off of the rhetoric and apologizing for calling these people unamerican or right wing
snappa52 2 years ago
What these mobs are doing is very, very un-American. Trying to shut down the debate and to shout everyone else down is completely anti-American and anti-democratic. When you try to stand in the way of the democratic process by robbing others of their right to participate in it, you are being genuinely anti-American. That's very different from protesting or asking questions. And racism does play a part in this, whether you care to admit it or not.
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
race plays into every aspect of an americans life. injecting it into this issue is foolish. this is a leftist tool to quell dissent. i'm a centrist democrat, above all i support labor and civil rights. but hiding behind the race card when you have a difficult opposition is no way to wage politics. americans have been ignored for a looooong time. this is a culmination of anger over the bailouts, patriot acts, etc. now the politicos have to answer in person after ignoring emails and phone calls
snappa52 2 years ago
That's a somewhat simplistic statement that I don't completely agree with, even though there is some truth to it. The so-called "race card" is very much in play here, because, whether people want to admit it or not, anything this President does will face higher scrutiny and more intense opposition due to the color of his skin. It is an ugly fact, but one that must be accepted and dealt with. Yes, the factors you mention play a part as well, but they're not the only concern by any stretch.
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
if he would repeal bush's toxic signing statements, the john warner defense authorization act, the patriot act, nafta/gat he would be worthy of our trust. as it is, he is a continuation of a series of corporatist administrations. if he would follow the constitution and the bill of rights we would all love him. he's more european than he is any other ethnicity and thats why he was able to run for president. why should we trust him when he breaks all of his promises? why wont he prosecute bush?
snappa52 2 years ago
The objectionable portions of H.R. 5122 have already been repealed, and the entire bill is slated to expire in 2012. The vast majority of the signing statements have been reversed by President Obama through Executive Orders. The objectionable portions of the Patriot Act have been mostly repealed or invalidated as well. The bill is needed because, in case you haven't noticed, we do have mortal enemies out there that want to kill every single American. Vulnerability is not a luxury we can afford.
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
the mortal enemies are not normal citizens. i would like for you to quote at least 5 instances where President Obama restored liberties violated by Pres. Bush. the patriot act was on the shelf waiting for its opportune time for 20 years before it was implemented after 9/11. i dont buy what you are selling on that front.
snappa52 2 years ago
i am going to die as surely as i was born. in the meantime i want to live my life in complete freedom. if a terrorist take me it was my time to go anyway. we dont need lists of people who never committed a crime, who are under "suspicion". we dont need people's second amendment revoked because mr. emmanuel thinks they are guilty for being on a no fly list. we created radical islam. we control and fund radical islam through our intelligence agencies. we've been doing this since the carter admin
snappa52 2 years ago
the crux of the arguement is that the left uses race,gender,gender orientation to quell dissent.we are at a serious cross roads in our country now.we are a representative democracy, people have the right to be heard. in times like these when people are losing everything they have a right to speak out about the direction of their country. they are not racist because they have legitimate concerns. i didnt see one racist sign in this video, the birther one is borderline. where are the racist signs?
snappa52 2 years ago
Racism doesn't necessarily exist overtly and openly in every instance. It can also be covert and insidious. The way people act can be an indication of racist leanings. I don't really blame them completely. I find it understandable if poorly educated working class white people feel threatened by the changes that are taking place in our Country. Ignorance, prejudice, and manipulation feed on poor education. There's racism there, but I think that not all of it is a result of a conscious decision.
armyveteran101st 2 years ago
Agreed. Racism is the result of many factors, from basic upbringing to how one is treated in school by a member of an opposite race to anger at how a race treated ones ancestors. Racism is a vile demon that haunts all peoples. It does need eradicated, but not by force. Only education can kill racism, and education seems to be lacking in both schools and at home.
obalesque 2 years ago
172677 How does it feel now that the proof shows it's the dems doing the bussing and writing the scripts for their union and acorn goons.The head of the dept of health tells them to keep it up after they beat a man up,the dems only allowing unions and acorn into town hall meetings.Yep,you should be very proud,everything you said about the gop that you hate turns out to be not gop but the dems.
cowboybill117 2 years ago
What Pelosi was speaking of are those screwballs who are being sponsored by corporations and following a script written for them. Being obnoxious while being ignorant, not letting other speak is unAmerican....as are the coporation who bus these wingnuts around.
When the plan is to disrupt the democratic process, it's unpatriotic and borders on treason.
The only thing that saves these bozos is they are so entirely stupid they have no clue what that are screaming about.
172677 2 years ago
cool
jiggakilla666 2 years ago
Well said, my friend!
robert7232 2 years ago
DO NOT question our Amazing Government, /watch?v=lLoH0zxElGA
uwejuwe 2 years ago
While you may hope that the America of the founding fathers still exists, I submit that it does not. The last 3 presidents are not representative of America. Neither is the Congress. Perpetual war, and economic disaster were created by people who have no interest in the Constitution or the principles this country once adhered too. And these people are in power.
I suspect America, as I knew it, is not coming back.
Billyothon 2 years ago
I tend to agree with you all except that the original America is not coming back. I believe it will come back to a degree. If some series of events happens, that shake the faith of the average person in the federal government, (not recessions or bailouts, something major) things may change. Our people do not have the tradition of centuries of oppression like our European forefathers do.
porcupine07 2 years ago
Let's clarify. What are these people so angry about? The "public option" isn't exactly socialism. It's not the government owning a hospital or anything. I think we have to be a lot more clear with what we're opposing here. Don't act like the CEO of a company taking a salary hundreds or thousands of times greater than the guy in the mail room isn't just as much a "redistribution of wealth" as the government is capable of, regardless of whether or not the former is "private" or even "voluntary."
AdderallApocalypse 2 years ago
Once again you seemingly claim that racism isn't at all a factor in any of the protests, which is simply not the case. I wouldn't claim that *you* are racist, but it's not like we've completely eradicated it from the country. And why was it so great that the guy was carrying a gun around? It's not like I don't trust the guy himself, but you never know what can happen in situations like that with other people. btw, don't you think we could find just as many crazy signs as reasonable signs?
AdderallApocalypse 2 years ago
And what about "the corporations"? Should they not "fear the people" as well? It's too bad they've seemingly formed a complex with the government.
I'm sure all politicians are fine with open and honest debate. Shouting down people who are trying to explain things to you is not conducive to this, not that I claim that's all that's going on.
AdderallApocalypse 2 years ago
They are angry because they see the current administration doing precisely what it said it would do prior to taking power. The anger you see is eminently appropriate ~ it is rage directed at the embodiment of a system which cares nothing for the will of the governed & is bringing us closer to dis-integration as a nation.
What would be inappropriate here is calm, dispassionate dialogue. Emotions have a purpose. That purpose is being realized @ these town hall meetings.
Billyothon 2 years ago
We're already in a civil war. wake up and smell the coffee. No one has the balls to take up arms against this regime(government). Social warefare is just at the yelling point. I think were in about the "Missouri Compromise" point in the country right now .
Good thing is, being conservatives, we're gona be the ones with the Guns.
Keep it coming man!
gf4rce 2 years ago
To paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, "Opposition to Socialism is un-American." Not my view, but hers. If the Socialist-Democrats keep rushing townhalls or there is no effort to balance audience composition, I predict a violent spark leading the USA into Civil War 3.
borderraven 2 years ago 2
I am SO close to becoming a conservative... I hate you, SA.
Stender84 2 years ago
Join us.
Blue21Films 2 years ago
Consider libertarian.
Socially liberal, and fiscally conservative. Sounds like freedom to me, and that is why we aren't offered it as a media endorsed choice.
Being fiscally conservative is nothing to be ashamed off.
FreedomsReigning 2 years ago 2
Social liberalism and fiscal conservatism are mutually exclusive. While you may disagree with this, I submit that this is why Libertarianism has never made significant progress (ie, winning moderate numbers of congressional seats).
Billyothon 2 years ago
@FreedomsReigning: Libertarians aren't necessarily socially liberal. Being a consistent libertarian only requires a belief in the non-aggression principal. Someone could be a racist/sexist/religious extremist/etc and still be a consistent libertarian as long as he didn't advocate that other people should be forced to live their lives the way he thinks that they should.
clearthedecks 2 years ago
Jefferson owned humanbeings
pitecman 2 years ago
So?
Slavery was a common thing back then. That's like saying that JFK served in the military and killed people.
It is expected.
Blue21Films 2 years ago
Yes, nevermind that he railed against the slave trade repeatedly, had a love affair with one of his slaves, and bought so many of them and spent so much money educating, clothing, and sheltering them like they were all middle class citizens he nearly went bankrupt.
Shipping people back to Africa maybe? Yeah, where they can just be sold right back into slavery by their chieftains.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
I'm afraid they'll get rolled over by a tyrannical government. The left is always screaming but never gets what it wants; leftism just goes further left and they never get their all-desired money, and the way things are going, never will, but will end up impoverished and "destitute on the continent their fathers conquered". The right will never be listened to until we're slaves, or minions, and now and until then we will always be characterized as the rich, etc., withholding their 'fair share'.
MarkBH70 2 years ago
When things "go South" this leftist government will then be characterized as "rightist," "communistic," etc., and we'll bear the blame again of what we warned and protested against in all ardor, warning, and consummate disdain to the end of lungs, once again disdained as un-American, the champions always of what the people blame us for.
Remember how and what happened in The Civil War? A few slave-owners dominated a legitimate cry for freedom and self-governance. Welcome to The Civil War II.
MarkBH70 2 years ago 2
The mainstream media are the true un-americans. whether it's Fox CNN or MSNBC. they are lap dogs for the two ruling parties, and the multi-national corporations that are running the agenda.
It is a shame that they have been able, thru mis-information campaigns, and fear mongering, to divide and conquer the people. Civil discourse and understanding of each other is the only way to move this country forward. protesting has it's place, but please be informed about what you're yelling about.
1warpig 2 years ago
Three Stooges explain Obama Healthcare Plan
Moe (Obama) Here, eat your spinach!
Curly (US Citizens) I dont like spinach!
Moe (Obama) Well, youre gonna eat it whether you like it or not!
dkkght46 2 years ago
Objectivity is inexistent amongst all major news media outlets; subjectivity is alive and well.
jrjustreal 2 years ago
I never agree with every point..But SA, that was the best vid and comments in weeks.
rexoid 2 years ago
Kathleen Sebelius as HHS Secretary? what a joke! She doesn't even have any previous "experience" in healthcare!! Or at least the wiki people claim so.
whoo689 2 years ago
Funny, I thought Pelosi wanted everyone to become U.N.- Americans?!
dlucas90 2 years ago
This was a great video. This nation's media has truly sunk to it's lowest low. Do they still pretend they're unbiased anymore? Because I've never seen such partisan drivel before...
HungryDingo 2 years ago
SA this is the best one yet!!! Don't worry tho I think we are just getting started. People have awoken from the happy coma's they are in and want to know what is really going on, adn why parts of the constitution are being infringed.
jsh78mang 2 years ago
There is only one group that enjoys low premiums not attached to employement, excellent medical care, short wait times and low cost of medical treatment even if uninsured and none of the patients are government subsidized.
The medical professionals in this sector are lightly regulated don't have to pay high malpractice insurance and have access to the latest in drug therapies and equipment.
Have you guessed who has this kind of medical care with virtually no government interference?
libertyfizz 2 years ago
Has anyone else noticed that with all the protests going on and getting larger are mainly almost ALL white people? Ask yourself this WHY is that? Could it be because these are the issues that the majority of white people care about considering our country was NOT founded on steal from the neighbor to give to those who refuse to earn it for themselves. ADMIT it the races are different. And diversity is going to be the death of this nation. And saying so is NOT racist.
GlobalMinority 2 years ago
I agree with a limited government and constitutional republic (in addition to our country not being founded on stealing), but to say there are differences between the races is utterly preposterous. There are differences between personality types, good and bad. These personality types exist in all races/ethnicities.
tarzanofcouches 2 years ago
damn right, no "race" has exclusive rights to evil.
cyberpsygen7 2 years ago
American people will fight back!!!
killergames187 2 years ago 2
Great stuff as always. Keep it up.
tfboyle 2 years ago
you hit the nail on the head every time Jack! thanks!
fracwilt 2 years ago 2
5 stars!!!
bulkfull 2 years ago 2
You know, all this talk about a government takeover, and The Netherlands has a public option and six different private insurers. Where's the takeover there?
Not to mention that while all this bullshit talk about the Dems plan being so horrible and filled with special interests, the Reps plan is no better. All it does is encourage people to go buy health care that they already cant afford.
This is stupid. Support the ONLY Bipartisan bill in congress. Ron Wynard's Healthy Americans Act!
Nawledge1 2 years ago
Republicans and Democrats are the same crappy bunch in the pocket of the FED and Corporations running this country. it's a waste of time speaking about this paradigm.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I think there were many Ron Paul supporters, but when the Diebold machines rigged the primaries for McCain and when the media marginalized Ron Paul, I think most Ron paul supporters voted for Obama only so that McCain wouldn't get elected.
Both do suck. I voted for Cynthia McKinney. Both McCain and Obama (Soetoro) want to create a puppet organization called the League of Democracies which is a pro-Israeli broker.
NYJared04 2 years ago
Nah, the Ron Paul supporters know very well that voting for Obama is just as bad as voting for McCain, that's why we call them McBama lol.
The Ron Paul supporters just went on with the Campaign for Liberty, which is supporting Liberty Candidate such as Peter Schiff, Rand Paul (Ron Paul's son), Adam Kokesh, among others.
Our country became the most powerful country the world had ever known because it was founded under the tree of Liberty.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago 3
Its incredible how the Obama Zombies say Obama is FIGHTING the insurance companies with his plan, when they were his BIGGEST DONORS outside wallstreet banks
Stupid fools
DontBeObamaZombies 2 years ago 4
I voted for Obama, but I'm definitely not some mindless zombie. His bill blows. As a matter of fact, ALL the bills in the House suck except for the Healthy Americans Act.
Funny how NEITHER side is talking about it. Maybe because it has 14 bipartisan cosponsors and NO special interests.
Nawledge1 2 years ago
You voted for Obama,... and you are not a mindless zombie? ... I guess neither are the people who voted for Bush the second time uh?
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
There are many people who voted Bush the 2nd time because they genuinely believed he was best for America. They took a look at both sides & thought Bush was the better option. And many still think that while others see it was a huge blunder. We all make mistakes.
I did the same with Obama because I honestly thought he had a concise plan and would rule with bipartisanship. I committed the same huge blunder. It's a shame though. He could actually be a good leader if he just thinks things through.
Nawledge1 2 years ago
No public official in the US "rules" over anything.
obmax1212 2 years ago
I think your mistakes came not because you guessed wrong and thought he would be good for America but (and I am going to be a bit harsh) you were too lazy and uninterested to look at the voting records (to see how much they respect the Constitution) and to research the political philosophy of this character (Obama).
It was a lot easier letting Hardball and the overall TV hypnosis tell you who the players where than to really look deep into the subject and realize who they are or work for.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
That's what you may think, but it doesn't necessarily make it true sir. I don't watch Hardball. MSNBC blows ass.
Nawledge1 2 years ago
So you did research the candidates voting records and the sponsors behind their political careers?
And if you did and still voted for Obama then I have to say you were not distracted but dumb. No offense, but a thorough research of the candidates clearly shows they are all own by special interests and not the principles of our country.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
And also my friend is stupid to vote for Bush in 2004 and then go to Obama in 2008.
He felt that Ron Paul's strict constitutional platform would kick people out of the streets.
NYJared04 2 years ago
Wow,.. if he believed that he didn't understand Liberty, what a Sound Monetary System is, Austrian Economics and what and the overall concept of a real Free Market.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
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Ron Paul for FREEDOM!
jcNOVA88 2 years ago
A great video. Great points, on key, and really well put together
TheKingofSD619 2 years ago
Obama is bought off by the Health Insurance companies anyway! We're not going to get a public option!
larma7 2 years ago
God bless you, Southern Avenger.
Ishpeck 2 years ago
SA - nancy also said the haters had "swastikas" on banners...typical heeb nonsense....paul krugman is very smart but he says dumb crap @ times
macdaddi88 2 years ago
The problem in this case is many of the protestors are not so much angry with specific policy points as angry with the exaggerations of those points that are spread on the "news."
keithrockerboblewis 2 years ago
Providing care for the poor, or uninsured could be as simple as having states add an option on state tax returns for voluntary donations to pay for health care for the poor. It could be handled by state governments entirely. Most people I know would love to have the opportunity to donate money, time or resources to help take care of our neighbors who are having rough times.
immayhem 2 years ago
Excellent analysis. Your videos are seriously better-made than anything on television.
chris3443 2 years ago
"Zookeepers examining the animals in their keep" is a pretty accurate description of the truth of the matter. How could the 'zookeepers' see these creatures as anything but?
And you're one of them, you silly little monkey.
gregtube88 2 years ago
The tree of life is soon withered and dead when the weed that is gov spreads out of control. Gov is not the answer, it's the problem. Big gov is destroying everything that was good and great in America. Now we have Canadians telling how great socialism is in their country and that we really have to do it here. Don't believe them, don't allow this country to succumb to the socialist weeds. End the Fed, end big gov.
bbburton 2 years ago
15.2% to prop up a system that allows the citizen freedom to seek whatever care we choose.Not for the nanny state to dictate who lives and dies.
FuckObamasMama 2 years ago
As a Canadian, I'm somewhat confounded by the reaction of Americans to Obama's health proposal. (I know I'm going to get a hell of a lot flack for my nationality alone). And I hardly see it as socialist, or a redistribution of wealth. Here's something to chew on, in 2007 Canada spent 10.6% of it GDP on a single-payer (government) system, while the United States spent 15.2% to prop up a completely private system. There's something very srewed up there.
FieryVulpine 2 years ago
Just those facts indicate we can't trust the USA government to do anything right. The system is too corrupt and needs a reset to constitutional limits, and if we really want them to do things like health care, we should amend our constitution.
GordonWalton 2 years ago
If that be the case, maybe the states should handle it. One misconception of Canadian healthcare that people tend to believe it's the Federal government that oversees it. It doesn't. The provinces do (in addition to education and natural resources.)
FieryVulpine 2 years ago
Yet oddly Canadians come to this country to seek out health care.
No, it isn't perfect. We've allowed corporate medicine to take over our medical field and people here are sue happy. Both of which sends the cost of medical services sky rocketing.
But let me tell you, as an american indian and some one who has war veterans for relatives the last thing you want is the US government running your... ANYTHING. But health care specifically, being the topic at hand.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
If they're willing to pay for it, then I say by all means go south to get treatment but I imagine the amount of Canadians that seek treatment in the United States is negligible. I'm not adverse to having the private sector having a role in healthcare, but what about those that can't afford it?
Granted, I'm not certain if the Declaration of Independence counts as a constitutional document, but doesn't corporate medicine go against "Life, Liberte, and Pursuit of Happiness" that Jefferson wrote?
FieryVulpine 2 years ago
Screwed up?
What protesters would like is to have the liberty which has slowly been taken from us - and given over to corrupt LOOTERS - returned to us. Our taxes have helped support the expansion of a corrupt empire over the face of the globe - government contracts for bioweapons created by the pharmaceutical industry to inflict millions with illness for profit - for example.
Federal control of health care would be the nail in our coffin.
I am sorry you don't understand that. There is a war on.
immayhem 2 years ago
Medicare and Medicaid are both government programs. Our health care system is 46-48% controlled by the government. We are facing a large government entitlement crisis which will rear its head in the next 10-30 years. Our government created HMOs, which many here hate. Insurance companies get subsidies from the government. The US system of health care is far from completely private. We've seen what government has done with health care already, we don't want anymore intervention.
tarzanofcouches 2 years ago
True, but our health care system is controlled by government and private industry in collusion to a greater degree than 46-48%. The pharmaceutical industry controls the curriculum and training of physicians via trusts. 100% percent. Pharmaceuticals (or the doctors who prescribe them correctly and incorrectly) are the #1 cause of death in the US, at present, as reported by the AMA themselves.
immayhem 2 years ago
Yes, I agree the collusion is at a near total level between government and big business. The "official" numbers according to said programs were what I was pointing out.
tarzanofcouches 2 years ago
COMPLETELY private system? Damn that's the stupidest thing I've read all day. It most certainly NOT private, if it was "private" how could the government have spent public funds on it? We have a huge amount of government health care here, ever heard of Medicaid and Medicaire? Both bullshit socialist programs that are bankrupting our country. And no one cares if you're Canadian, ignorant neocons usually don't watch libertarian minded videos.
HungryDingo 2 years ago
Be a good little American and do the American thing which is to roll up ur sleeve for some good old fashioned flu poison and hand over all ur guns!!!
Is this bitch for real, at 0:17?
L M F A O
papercuts777 2 years ago 3
Is 4:19 a bumper sticker? :D
Theevagabond 2 years ago
yes I also agree that healthcare should be left completely to market forces where they can charge us whatever they want for them.
I also agree that the rest of the nations in the developed world who have universal healthcare and would be outraged if their governments ever tried to abolish it are backwards and socialistic.
RevolutionaryJam 2 years ago
We should nationalize the food industry too, because those evil capitalists can "charge us whatever they want" for food at the moment.
I just watched your "Distribution of Wealth" clip. How could you pack so many economic fallacies in such a short talk? You rival Krugman.
Xasew 2 years ago
make a video response to it pointing them out then, how does saying that help me?
RevolutionaryJam 2 years ago
actually I'm an anarchist so the word nationalisation doesn't really apply to my argument, but yes, I am also interested in ensuring that everyone can get 3 meals a day regardless of market conditions. I must be a filthy red for caring, right?
RevolutionaryJam 2 years ago
Stop with the strawman. I wasn't questioning how compassionate you were, I was attacking your nonsense about them being able to charge whatever they wanted(there might be some truth to that right now, but certainly not under market forces).
Xasew 2 years ago
RJ..I lived in thiose natios for years..even western ones (UK) among the emerging post soviet mess. I came home so I could get good medical care. In Aberdeen SCotland..report to a doctor with chest pains.. get scheduled for a cardiologist in 6 months. Die waiting. And the joke is the vist is not billed, but it is not free: the ins premium is a separte income deduction from all working. You pay it even while waiting to see the cardiologist. Not here..no!
rexoid 2 years ago
yes of course the state has done everything they can to beaurocratise and destroy our public health care services, the problem is not the institution but that it is run top down, the hospitals and their staff don't have the autonomy to run their own clinics as they want to but that can be changed
private health care is better here of course but at least people who can't afford to pay for it have an option of nhs!
RevolutionaryJam 2 years ago
Your videos are always amazing. Thanks.
We must not grow weary in our struggle patriots.
msgtsd 2 years ago 2
Jack,
The government has been fearing the people for decades. That is why it seeks to control our lives as much as possible.
steve0281 2 years ago 3
This just shows how quickly people will believe the 24 hour propaganda network, Fox News.
They conveniently left out part of the quote.
Anytime you see "..." that means they are omitting part of the quote.
She said speaking your mind was very American-shouting other people down and suppressing THEIR right to free speech is not.
That's what she said, that's what she meant-but Fox News made it look like she meant something else, and you guys fell for it.
zndprophet 2 years ago
Yeah.Just like how we fell for it when Pelosi said she would impeach Cheney and Bush. Oh boy! Is my face red now! :P
FREEW0RLD2012 2 years ago
Have your read Patrick Henry's speech on the stamp act and the way it was delivered? He was pissed as hell. Shouting at intrusive unconstitutional government is american. This doesn't hinder other peoples right. Interrupting is rude no matter if the person is talking calmly or screaming. The other person should have a back bone. If screaming is all it takes to shut a citizen up what are we coming to?
Luigi84289 2 years ago 4
But here's the problem. I am just as American as anyone here, and I support healthcare reform. I am not unique in that opinion either.
It's NOT just something "the government" wants to do.
It's not the people vs the government. It's the people vs the people!
And many people who shout do so because they are angry & scared-because they think all this crazy stuff is in the bill-if it really WAS, we'd all be that angry & scared.
let's be honest-this is left vs right. Not people vs the gov.
zndprophet 2 years ago
The problem is that you have no right to tell other people they ought to be taxed to provide someting that the government has no business doing.
It is the people who do not know a fucking thing about economics versus those who know that further government meddling will just make our healthcare system worse.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago 3
You have no right to tell other people they can't receive healthcare, especially after many of them pumped thousands of dollars into private insurers, only to get denied when they needed care the most.
I don't get why you guys trust profit-driven assholes who have no one to answer to whatsoever. if people could choose affordable healthcare that doesn't deny them when they need it, they would. It doesn't exist in this country.
Everything doesnt need to be about a profit. Christ!
zndprophet 2 years ago
I am not saying that, I am saying that I have no obligation to provide for your healthcare, just like other Americans aren't.
You are damned straight that sort of healthcare doesn't exist here, and it is because government killed it. Profit driven healthcare like lasik eye surgeries are affordable and of good quality because they are not covered by government mandated insurance.
Everything doesn't need to be for profit? tell me, are you a medical doctor giving away your labor for free?
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
I always think it's revealing how free market advocates say "I shouldn't have to pay for your..."
It is a display of the general selfishness that fuels all this social inequality.
How do you know you're going to pay for ME? I'm 26 & in good health, and going to school.
You know what? I would pay for your healthcare though, through taxes of course. But if people tell me I don't have to pay, and I can donate instead, chances are I'm going to donate less than I would pay.
zndprophet 2 years ago
By all means you and your government run health care advocate friends don't have to wait for the government. They can all head down to the hospital and pay off people's bills. Take that turd Paul Krugman with you since he supposedly cares so damn much. No one is stopping all these "elites" who advocate government run health care from helping, but don't force me to pay for it. You have no right to do so, nor any logical argument. It's not greed, it's wanting to keep our own money.
HungryDingo 2 years ago
HAHAHAHA, selfishness. But you are such a selfless guy by taking away from others to fit your agenda. Yes, there is something revealing about "I should not have to pay for your....", it means that we vaalue our freedom and that if we want to help others we should be free to do so, not forced to do so like idiots like you think we ought to.
You do not pay for my healthcared jackass, I pay for it. I take care of myself and I pay for my insurance.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
No, you don't get it.
That you believe the rhetoric is your FIRST mistake. Think about this: The government enables insurance companies to do this. It is a fact. They are doing it. Legally. Why does it happen in the first place? Why are they allowed to do it?
Read about the Hegelian Dialectic.
You are right about profit-driven assholes. Those profit driven assholes will benefit most from this bill, or it wouldn't even be on the table.
immayhem 2 years ago 2
"Those profit driven assholes would benefit most from this bill, or it wouldn't even be on the table."
See, with attitudes this pessimistic, we can't even let the government try to help people if it wants to. And so we permit corporations to monopolize more & more, and I think that is the idea of it all.
Like I said, people loved Reagan, who always talked about smaller government. Then he got into office and let corporations imperialize small businesses throughout the 80's.
zndprophet 2 years ago
Ah, so I take it you bring nothing to the table, but you seek to demand from others when the burden is carried by others. How fucking benevolent and thoughtful.
False altruism is so evident in you, and I can smell the fucking putrid odor emanating from you.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
Do you really think the only people who believe in government programs, and giving back, are people who aren't willing to work, and people who don't earn a lot? That is a fucking myth, and it's offensive.
As if all left wing people are trust fund kids & welfare recipients. Thats like saying all right wing people are Corporate CEO's & broke ass rednecks mad about parting with their money.
No-we are just people with different ideologies. I don't get gov assistance. You don't pay for me.
zndprophet 2 years ago
I never said that. I said that you are no fucking doctor and you are not out there giving healthcare for free but you expect others to because if they profit from it they would be "immoral".
You think you are benevolent because you want to force people out of the fruits of their labor to give it to others. You have no authority, moral or legal to do so.
Besides, it is the idiotic programs by the government that you advocate that have driven up the price of medicine, not the free market.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
Whadda uy wanna do, Zndprophet? Chain up all doctors and and medically qualified, and tell them who for and when to function as the statists pay them. Then the state will decide who can stand in line and for how long. Reform? Yes it is needed..but that need does not pre-approve any and every cockamamy attempt to further disrupt the economy for socialist ideals.
rexoid 2 years ago 2
"You have no right to tell other people they can't receive healthcare"
We don't and we aren't. We are saying that they have no right to force us to pay for it.
Yeah, insurance companies are scum bags and a huge part of the problem. Which is why the only reason I have health insurance is because it is provided for free at my job. And only have car insurance because it is the law.
Oh that's right the government forces me to pay these vultures. -_-;
But hey, you know why that law is there?
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
You know why health care is expensive to the point that they won't treat you unless you are insured?
Pointless bullshit lawsuits. There are times people do have cases, but this sue happy country has jacked the price of health care through the roof. So how about some lawsuit reform?
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
Even the insurence companies admit that frivolus lawsuits only account forives 0.1% of the cost of insurence.Also I thought one of bushe's great achievments was tort reform.But hey if a doc takes out your gaul blatter when you were there for a visectime(happened 2 my uncle)u shouldnt be able to sue.
chrisgalizia 2 years ago
That's a wonderful strawman right there buddy. Yup. I believe doctors shouldn't ever be held accountable.
And Bush and tort reform is like saying No Child Left Behind reformed the Department of Education. =P
I'd also like to know where you got your number right there, and why you feel I should continue this discourse with you if you can't be bothered to actually type out the words "two" and "you" (sorry ahead of time, but that's a pet peeve of mine. =P)
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
Fact is that having a bullseye on our backs,we dive deeper into the issues
and find the truth,within legislation.The majority of the left blindly accepts what they're told without research.And most often will go along with damaging legislation as long as the left crafts it.
I challenge you to poll anyone in the lefts targetted voter areas,and you'll see just how ignorant the left really is.eight out of ten will know nothing about politics,or current events,unless it's Pdiddy.
FuckObamasMama 2 years ago
God you are jaded & full of shit.
The left doesn't do research.
Please.
zndprophet 2 years ago
I'm a libertarian. I refuse to submit myself to your right/left view of the world. I believe gays should be able to marry, pot should be legal, every one should have a gun, and that government health care programs are bullocks.
Deal with it.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago 4
Well said.
immayhem 2 years ago
"I'm a libertarian". Typical.
I know there aren't many social conservatives anymore, but economically-you are very far right. The far right has proven to be wrong about everything, including economics. ESPECIALLY economics. All the way from Hoover-who started the great depression, to Reagan, who pushed our national deficit into high gear from which it never recovered-to Bush, who gave us this recession.
And of course you blame it on the left every time, and take credit for Clinton's progress
zndprophet 2 years ago
Hoover created unprecedented intervention. Roosevelt's administration even admitted his programs were just bigger extensions of Hoover's. Reagan exploded the deficits. Bush spent more than any president in history until Obama. None of these people fit the idea of limited government, fiscal responsibility, true free trade, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. Don't pin the aforementioned names' failures on a school of thought completely different from them.
tarzanofcouches 2 years ago 2