hello young man - please watch our video on youtube: traditions of men" on the holy ground church channel and youll see the true meaning of those pegan holidays. believe me, they have nothing what so ever to do with christ. pastor alterri henri
Xmas and "happy holidays". Are not in any way replacing the term Christmas. The term x-mas is a legitamate abbreviation for Christmas, as the "X" is actually the letter "chi" which is the first letter in the work "Christ" in Greek.
Also you must realize that there are multiple religions in the world that do not demand or suggest that they are being persecuted due to the fact that their winter holiday is not getting special recognition in stores. I am neopagan and I appreciate it.
I've read that Jesus was more probably born around September 29 give or take. It is also thought that Jesus was born on the First of Tishri, the day of the Feast of Trumpets.
(shepherds wouldn't be out in the fields with the flocks in December)
Christmas on December 25 replaced the Roman holiday of Saturnalia, near the winter solstice, which was a pagan tradition inherited from the earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 would be more in line with Jesus's conception so celebrate anyway!
Christmas was a pagan tradition originaly, it was adobted and renamed by the christian romans during the occupation of europe.
Also jesus's birth cannot be in winter, in jerusalem the sheppards would not be outside they would have to be some tough s.o.b's to survive a judean winter.
You've duped others out of money you promised to donate to Sick Kids Hospital, filed false DMCAs, falsely accused someone of being a pedophile, lied about death threats so you could run away from your accusers. Your own words and videos here on youtube, new and old, prove you are a liar and a hypocrite.
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You haven't learned a thing. Still an arrogant hypocrite leading the blind like lemmings into the sea.
I love Christmas. I enjoyed it thoroughly a month ago. I felt glad that my family and I could gather together and exchange gifts and forget our troubles and just bond. It makes me happy and I enjoy it. I am an atheist.
The earliest civilizations realized that everyone needs a nice warm celebration in the middle of winter. The current mainstream version of that is Christmas.
This is off topic, but why is it that when I ask someone what's the first thing that comes to mind when hearing the word Christmas, they say "GIFTS" instead of "birth of Jesus Christ"? Gosh our economy + advertisements corrupted us lol
for the record, when you say you were an atheist and you believed in evolution, atheists dont believe in evolution in the same way that christians believe in christ. im sure there are skeptics of evolution who are atheist or agnostic.
anyway, with that said, i strongly disagree with almost everything that you say as i am an atheist, but its good that you have comments now
@JesusforLife2 what?? thats not what i said. my point is that people dont believe in evolution via faith, which is what it takes to believe in a god. there is scientific evidence that prooves evolution, and that evolution is valid until it is disprooven. you can have skeptics of evolution based on science, but its hard to be a skeptic of god based on faith.
bleah, i might be rambling, i hope you get my point
Just thought I would bring up and correct the claim that when someone refers to Christmas as Xmas, they are blocking out the word 'Christ'. This isn't true. Judging by VenomFangX's description below the video, he believes this too. Heck, I believed it as well, and was very offended, until I realized what the X means. The Greek letter Chi (Χ) stood for Christ in the ancient Greek acrostic ΙΧΘΥΣ ichthys. While some see the spelling of Xmas a threat, others see it as a way to honour the martyrs.
In ancient Christian art, χ and χρ are abbreviations for Christ's name. In many manuscripts of the New Testament and icons, X is an abbreviation for Christos, as is XC (the first and last letters in Greek, using the lunate sigma); compare IC for Jesus in Greek. :)
(However, as a side note to you, Venom, yes, I think that replacing "Merry Christmas" with "Happy Holidays" is utterly insulting, abject, despicable and indelicate.)
isaiah 29 22 Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale..
job 30 30 my skin is black.
jer 14 2 JUDAH IS BLACK.
lamentation 5 10 our skin is black like an oven.
Joel 3:6 the tribe of judah have you sold to the europeans.
the bible is only talking about a ppl that it describes as black .
sold to grecians(europeans as slave by ships ,WHERE DO YOU FIT IN?PLAYA
in 28 68 deut it states the israelites will go into slavery by ships.the bible states the tribe of judah is a black nation jer 14 2..
so why are you not black vfx and why did your ppl not go into slavery by ships but instead controlled slavery as atested by many khazars/jews.do you think claiming anothing nations identity then trying to erase it is moral and just?you see we the israelites are a black nation so stop clowning? Isaiah 29 22)your ppl are converts not true israel by blood
The Jewish Encyclopedia tells us that "Edom is in Modern Jewry". This witness from the 1905 edition records the connection between modern day Jews and the race of Edom: "Some anthropologists are inclined to associate the racial origins of the Jews, not with the Semites, whose language they adopted, but with the Armenians and Hittites of Mesopotamia, whose broad skulls and curved noses they appear to have inherited (Vol. X, p. 284).
@BelieveandtrustJesus I would say i am... unconvinced that there is a god.... but reguardless... why does it matter what way this is worded.. what is the goal here?
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile."
Check out my video: The Truth of Christmas" by cavies4ever
Venom. Why do you say "December 25th is not the birthday of Jesus."??? OF COURSE IT IS!!! Jesus is GOD!!! He could have made his birthday anything he wanted! He chose to be born December 25th!!! If he wanted to be born any other day, we'd be celebrating his birthday then - but we don't - we celebrate it on Christmas day. Jesus' birthday. PERIOD.
Any pagan association to Christmas was added by devil worshipers after Jesus was born to try and make their gods look real. They are so evil.
Merry belated CHRISTmas! Keep on praying, we never know how the Lord will be working on your family's hearts...all our families hearts..seeds a planting, we know that :) Wow, so glad you are back. So encouraging.
lets be honest man, christmas is a commercial holiday, it is about the lights, the food, the presents and the family, i know very few ppl who mention jesus or anything religion related during this time.
"5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."
Back in those times it was told that Nimrod's spirit was in the tree, and if you didn't do this custom his spirit would haunt you..
@straightToTheWord There are ancient writings that say Mithra is the Son of God. There are writings that say Horus is the Son of God. There are writings that say Attis is the Son of God. What makes the Hebrew scriptures right and all the others wrong? What's that you say? Because Constantine declared it an official religion in the Roman Empire and Christians started killing all others and heretics??? Nooo. The Bible is the word of god as much as my kindergarten scribblings are.
@caddy38 I believe in the bible because it identifies the custom of Christmas as being heathenistic, agreeing what was already known by most historians...
@straightToTheWord Don't you realize that if you had brought up to worship Horus you would say that all those who worshiped Jesus were heathens? Your religion is totally arbitrary and based upon what you were born into. The Christians say they have the "absolute truth" and the muslims say they have the "absolute truth" and the Sikhs say they have the "absolute truth" and the zorastrians say they have the "absolute truth". They can't all be right! and none are
the bible states to the israelites-Amos 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth.
so if your as smart as you sound you will not by into any religion,that includes being jewish,christians,muslim,etc,because the bible teaches common sense and that is the most high did not give religion to mankind.when the children of israel are back in their land you will see absolute truth
@ISRAELITEKNUCKLEHEAD Some of the bible teaches common sense, though not all the time. I would not call a book supporting slavery, animal abuse, child abuse, misogyny, genocide, and false science as a book of common sense. Why do you think the children of Israel will be back in their land? Are they not already? Why do think ancient sand scribblings are the absolute truth? The only reason you beleive the bible is the word of god is because you were told so since you were born. That's it.
@caddy38 .the jewish encyclopeadia states edom is in modern jewry edom is jacob or israels brother who lost the birthright to jacob ,under the term khazars you will see that these ppl converted to judaism in 740 ad due to what the christians and muslims were up to.the bible calls them impostors rev 2 9 -3 9.
i was not taught to believe but if god says his ppl were to be slaves on ships sold to europeans and it happens then then common sense kicks in..jews =synagogue of satan rev 2.9
@JesusIsRealTrustMe And why then would not this omnipotent god CHOOSE to save all? If there is no HUMAN choice whatsoever, if there is no FREE WILL, what other purpose does your god have for tormenting souls for all eternity than sheer sadism? And you expect others to buy this cock and bull story about your supposed 'loving god'? Tell me, holy roller, what excites you the most? Not going to hell yourself or the thought that all those who don't believe like you will be tortured forever?
@SnapDragon2012 If Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, then his birthday wouldn't be celebrated December 25. He's GOD. He could've made his birthday whatever he wanted it to be. And he chose December 25.
@JesusIsRealTrustMe Bible verses required if you are going to say he chosed December 25th. If you dont have any scriptural support, there is no reason to take conjecture as 100% fact.
@JesusIsRealTrustMe THERE IS NOTHING ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS HE WAS BORN ON DECEMBER 25TH. IT IS A PAGAN HOLIDAY HIJACKED BY THE CHURCH.... PERIOD
@SnapDragon2012 back in Jesus' day, times and days didn't matter. Jesus gave us the calender when he died. AD - After death. DUH! And obviously, he wanted his birthday on December 25th. He's GOD! He could have had his birthday on any day of the year - and he chose December 25th. If he wanted us to celebrate his birthday on July 4th, we'd be celebrating it July 4th.
He's GOD! What part of that don't you understand?!?!
@JesusIsRealTrustMe Actually AD stands for Anno Domini, which means "in the year of our lord" and this calender wasn't even put into use until what we would consider the 5th century. And no, times and dates DID matter in the past, there are many different types of calenders besides the Gregorian one.
@SnapDragon2012 ""he wanted his birthday on December 25th. PROVE IT. "
Is God all-powerful? Yes. Does everything happen according to God's will? Yes. Is Jesus' birthday Dec 25? Yes. Could it be December 25th against God's will? Nope.
@SnapDragon2012 are you serious?!? You don't know where you can find "everything happens according to God's Will" in the bible? Open a page! Any page! Everything in there happened because it's GOD'S WILL!
You woke up this morning because of God's Will.
You have a computer because of God's Will.
Everything you every have and do is GOD'S WILL!
But what - you think God can't get his Son's birthday right?
Christmas is pagan, read Jeremiah 10:1-5... We must believe on Christ as the Scriptures say... This world is preaching a Pagan Christ given to us by the europeans...
"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him]." 2 Corinthians 11:4
When people dont have knowledge of the one true god, they do indeed invent god. God is a necessity, even if its a little tin-pot god of self-idolatry. Saying a person does not have a god is like saying they dont have a head. I think, saying "I am an Atheist" is a dishonest statement.
Well, I have to say, these new videos of yours have made me chuckle on more than one occasion. There's a sense of humor present here that hasn't been in your past videos. You took what was potentially a ruined take and turned it into lighthearted and harmless comedy.
I'm an atheist. I enjoyed a very merry Christmas with my staunchly Catholic family. Christmas lights, and especially a Christmas tree in a darkened room...the beauty speaks to me. Happy New Year, Shawn.
What is wrong with Xmas? While the colloquial usage may not be the original usage but people have been abbreviating Christmas as something such as Xmas for ages. Such as "X'temmas" since the 16th century. And before the usage of just an X it was Xr(or "p" the Chi Rho... you know... what Constantine saw... )=> Xres maesse (Anglo-Saxon). So, Xmas is an ancient tradition that is not meant to "erase" Christ, but X is a commonly accepted abbreviation for Christ.
Furthermore, whats wrong with "Holiday"? I know people want people to believe that there is a new a war against Christmas, but I believe honest research show that this is not true. I mean in the first place, Christmas is a Holy Day. But more specifically, while I can't cite this or something, I interned at a local historical society and was going through papers/cards from the 19th century and I found cards that had "Happy Holidays on it." Frankly, this "war" is a ruse.
So, I believe that people are just making emotional, irrational assumptions. They see "Xmas" and the media tells the that there is a "war on Christmas" and they come to conclusions without actually researching what Xmas means. In general people are just making assumptions... how can you know someone's intention without them saying their intention?
Let the feeling of Christmas be a part of your everyday existence. Don't limit it to the 25th of December, a day chosen to celebrate many winter festivals. We all know Jesus was not born on this day anyway, it was a just the day chosen to celebrate it. Celebrate it always, and a new change will come, if not externally definitely esoterically.
Whoa whoa whoa... I live in a family of Atheists... and we hang up Christmas lights, have two Christmas trees, and go out caroling. I think your family don't like you. :)
So... because of a non-Christian family, you don't celebrate any Christmas related activities? I don't have a christian family, and we entertain Christmas-time things every year.
"Learn not the way of the heathen,... for the customs of the ppl r vain; for one cut a tree out of the forest,...they deck it with silver & gold;..fasten it with nails...they r upright as the palm-tree...But they r altogether brutish & foolish, the stock is a doctrine of vanities. Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, & gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, ...." (Jer 10:1-16)
But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting King. Amen.
perhaps this has been posted already but you should know that Xmas is a Christian term, not a secular way of taking Christ of out the word. X has been used by Christians for hundreds of years in place of Christ (for instance you would be called a Xtian)
Yeah, pagan religion, the only kind of pagan I know of. That's what those organizations I listed are all based on. I had that figured out despite the fact that Im so close minded. By the way, how is it that you've come to the conclusion that I am so close minded? I stated that Christianity has hijacked many of its traditions from pagan RELIGION (wink!). You chimed in with "nothing in this world is pagan, its just misunderstood." Explain? What are all those pagans doing if nothing is pagan?
@techepix As long Christianity continues to exist and continues to embrace Christmas these arguments will continue to be offered. I'm not going to apologize for being the 1001st person to argue rationality and history in the face of ignorance and fundamentalism. And no, there is not 'some' truth to what I am saying, its all true. Every single statement I made is 100% verifiable and true and historically accurate. Christmas is paganism for Christians.
@Crome267 ...sure, whatever. Better get the Pagan Federation / Federation Paienne Canada and Pagan Federation International and the Pagan Association of Red Deer and Proactive Wiccan Pagan Alliance and The Canadian Pagan Union on the line and let them know that they have misunderstood what its all about.
I celebrate Christmas as a period of relaxation in the bleak winter months, which I think was the original purpose of the festival before a certain bunch of lads started their missionary work.
Anyway, VFX, although I disagree with lots of your opinions, I hope that you have a good Christmas and a productive, happy New Year.
A place or state of torment or suffering.. The abode of condemned souls; hell.
In the Old Testament, there was a reference to a valley outside of Jerusalem.
However, In the NT Gehenna is seen as a place of unquenchable fire (Mark 9:43-47). God has the authority to cast wicked men into this hell (Matt 10:28) in whose fire he can destroy the soul and the body
@angelcollector22 That same unquenchable fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, or the same unquenchable fire that God would sent upon Jerusalem in his wrath? As such: are Sodom and Gomorrah, or Jerusalem, burning today? As far as throwing people into fire is concerned, you may want to check Jeremia 7:30-31.
You are not getting that Jesus will judge the living and the dead someday...and that is different than any other judgments He will render...It is different than the world wide flood. It is different than Sodom and Gomorrah. It is the FINAL judgment YET to come
Where the Bible says it is unquenchable, I will agree with that..You can't change the mind of someone who belongs to Christ. He is my authority. He says that it will someday happen and it will.
ORIGINAL SIN, on the other hand, is speaking about the fallen nature of man, the "hereditary stain" we carry because of the sin of Adam. This is way we are attracted to sin.
A good place to look where scripture affirms original sin is Psalm 51:7
"True, I was born guilty, a sinner, even as my mother conceived me."
I can't say according to me...as I try to make the Bible the authority. I am not God and I don't know. I do know that baptism saves no one. The Bible does not specifically address infants, but I do believe that Jesus will save them.
@angelcollector22 ... why? If we're all stained with this ghastly sinfulness, how are infants exempted? You even quoted scripture to prove that everyone is evil from the get-go.
Because I believe the blood of Christ will cover their sins. Not water baptism. I don't believe they need baptism. I do believe that Jesus suffered for their souls as well and that He will welcome them. There are some verses that convince me of that. Jesus takes care of the "ghastly sinfullness". Babies are not old enough to reject him...adults are...the Bible says that people are lost because they don't believe on the name of the only begotten son of God.
The Bible tells us that babies are born with original sin whether they are old enough to have knowledge of right and wrong. The only baby ever born without original sin was Jesus. Your most recent question was asking if I thought their souls would be saved....of course I do. With His stripes the babies are healed from original sin. Older people who reject are not healed because they don't want to be. They are rejecting the healer.
Thats the problem with "copy and pasting" (and I mean that figuratively) the Bible.
No, this does not contradict the idea of original sin, two different issues are being discussed. This verse is addressing sin in accordance with the law. It's a legal point. Ezekiel is saying that if a father sins under the law, the son doesn't bear his guilt. Likewise if a son sins under the law, the father doesn't bear guilt
Mary is a sinner just like us....since that is true our prayers are only heard by Divinity (God, His Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) as they are the only ones capable of hearing us.
And, the New Testament says we are only to ask in Jesus name. Anything else is blasphemous.
@angelcollector22 That's another thing... I reckon you subcribe to the - catholic - dogma of original sin? Please link this supposedly biblical doctrine to Ezechiel 18, the entire chapter.
It can be shown that the New Testament books were gathered into one volume and were in circulation long before the Catholic Church claims to have taken its action in 390 at the council of Hippo.
The Bible is not a Catholic book. Catholics did not write it, nor does their doctrines and church meet the description of the doctrine and church of which it speaks.
And, actually I have almighty God to thank for His word.
@angelcollector22 There were circulations indeed. But the canon as we know it was only established in 393 AD. Why were books like the Shephard of Hermas, the Gospel of Truth, the Apocalypse of Paul etc. left out? Your bold assessment that the canon as we know it somehow 'has always been there in one form or another', is demonstrably false. The canon as it is in use today stems from decisions made at the Council op Hippo in 393 AD.
@angelcollector22 Really... and why would one book be breathed by God and another not? This explains why there even were discrepancies in the various canons. And what exactly were these new parts that were somehow added to the gospel? Are you refering to the very valid argument that parts of Paul's letters to the Corinthians had been worked on to suit orthodox needs (the 'women stay quiet in church' bit is under considerable investigation)?
New parts being mostly what is comprised in the RCC that are not Biblical and cannot even be found in the early books that just didn't make it to canon. These new herecies have been added over time (hundreds of years) and are vastly different from the New Testament church
@angelcollector22 New parts written up in the New Testament? Which ones? Also, as you will find out, the RCC indeed did invent one particular dogma that is regarded as absolute truth today: the concept of hell as a place of eternal torment. Strangely, you don't seem to mind this catholic alteration...
There are other Catholic ideals that agree with the Bible...Hell is not the only thing that are similar in beliefs. The mormon Bible also has similarities to the Holy Bible...however, I do not hold to the idea that we will rule planets, or that we were once spirit children any more than I hold to Mary being Queen of Heaven or a belief in transubstantion, or purgatory...those all are extrabiblical traditions.
@angelcollector22 You fail to see that 'hell' is also built on extrabiblical traditions, mainly ancient Egyptian, Sumerian and Zoroastrian tradition. So you fault the RCC for cluttering the 'true faith' with bogus traditions, yet you maintain that one of those, 'hell', is actually biblically sound...
It matters little to me that people of the same time period as when the Holy Bible was written also have a view of Hell. It is because the concept of Hell was known in that time period.
Jesus is my God. He talked about eternal torment. I believe Him and He didn't talk about it in the context of outside the city limits....Read about the rich man and lazarus.
@angelcollector22 The Rich Man and Lazarus? You mean that there is an immediate judgment after death? Yet Revelations says the general judgment will be at the end of time. Jesus spoke in PARABLES...
@angelcollector22 The Rich Man and Lazarus? You mean that there is an immediate judgment after death? Yet Revelations says the general judgment will be at the end of time. Jesus spoke in PARABLES...
Oh dear...okay, it is very evident that you need to study scripture a little more.
Jesus parables were examples of real themes. Jesus wasn't telling a story to tell a story. He was telling a story to express a truth about something, which was something He did often.
And, Revelation speaks of eternal torment and the lake of fire..some of the same concepts Jesus spoke of earlier in the gospels.
I have not read the original Greek in total, no....but, I can look up the meanings of the words just as well as you do.
Does that mean you are trying to tell me that Jesus parables were nothing but story telling and that reading the original Greek told you that....or that Jesus will not judge the living and dead at the end of time,,,reading the original Greek told you that....what other things has the original Greek told you that flies in the face of the gospel of Jesus?
@angelcollector22 There you go: judge the living and the dead at the end of time... Yet, you claim that Jesus' parable of Lazarus and Dives is to be taken literally, and as such, we have a judgment right after death and not only that, we have Lazarus saved, in Abraham's bosom, even when Christ hasn't yet sacrificed his blood. Oh and do tell - what is the meaning of the word Gehenna?
@angelcollector22 How can that be... Jesus spoke these words while still alive, therefore, the judgment had not yet been delivered. Therefore, Jesus obviously spoke in symbols. YOU interpret it as saying that Jesus will cast people to hell, a place of eternal physical torment...
You are speaking about Jesus within the context of a 33 year period...He is eternal. He was the same God who spoke of Judgement in the OT and the same God who speaks of it in Revelation. Creator God cannot be held within the confines of our time.
It is very possible that Jesus spoke of things to come...He has done that several times throughout scripture.
hello young man - please watch our video on youtube: traditions of men" on the holy ground church channel and youll see the true meaning of those pegan holidays. believe me, they have nothing what so ever to do with christ. pastor alterri henri
holygroundchurchinfo 1 month ago
Happy Christmas Shawn and all.. God bless.
4thcoming 2 months ago
Love this vid. Hope you make another Christmas vid this year.
BibleIsland 3 months ago
Xmas and "happy holidays". Are not in any way replacing the term Christmas. The term x-mas is a legitamate abbreviation for Christmas, as the "X" is actually the letter "chi" which is the first letter in the work "Christ" in Greek.
Also you must realize that there are multiple religions in the world that do not demand or suggest that they are being persecuted due to the fact that their winter holiday is not getting special recognition in stores. I am neopagan and I appreciate it.
aeondolphin 8 months ago
"Hello? Yo, what up?"
8CaptainHowdy 8 months ago
I've read that Jesus was more probably born around September 29 give or take. It is also thought that Jesus was born on the First of Tishri, the day of the Feast of Trumpets.
(shepherds wouldn't be out in the fields with the flocks in December)
Christmas on December 25 replaced the Roman holiday of Saturnalia, near the winter solstice, which was a pagan tradition inherited from the earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 would be more in line with Jesus's conception so celebrate anyway!
clockguy2 11 months ago
God Bless you my friend. Love your videos, keep it up!
cycler7755 1 year ago
U have a sense a humor ~ Ur not a tight a2x ~ A+ ~ Pro 17:22
TJae1 1 year ago
What does venomfangx ~ suppose to mean:
Mayb U should stick w/ just shawn ~
TJae1 1 year ago
I am impressed. Not many christians know this.
xelane4454 1 year ago
Christmas is the hijacking of the winter solstice by religious morons.
alifeofreason 1 year ago
Christmas was a pagan tradition originaly, it was adobted and renamed by the christian romans during the occupation of europe.
Also jesus's birth cannot be in winter, in jerusalem the sheppards would not be outside they would have to be some tough s.o.b's to survive a judean winter.
DemonAMVs 1 year ago
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You've duped others out of money you promised to donate to Sick Kids Hospital, filed false DMCAs, falsely accused someone of being a pedophile, lied about death threats so you could run away from your accusers. Your own words and videos here on youtube, new and old, prove you are a liar and a hypocrite.
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You haven't learned a thing. Still an arrogant hypocrite leading the blind like lemmings into the sea.
Ghorghinahn 1 year ago
I love Christmas. I enjoyed it thoroughly a month ago. I felt glad that my family and I could gather together and exchange gifts and forget our troubles and just bond. It makes me happy and I enjoy it. I am an atheist.
The earliest civilizations realized that everyone needs a nice warm celebration in the middle of winter. The current mainstream version of that is Christmas.
RamblingPants 1 year ago
This is off topic, but why is it that when I ask someone what's the first thing that comes to mind when hearing the word Christmas, they say "GIFTS" instead of "birth of Jesus Christ"? Gosh our economy + advertisements corrupted us lol
O0oSorousho0O 1 year ago
for the record, when you say you were an atheist and you believed in evolution, atheists dont believe in evolution in the same way that christians believe in christ. im sure there are skeptics of evolution who are atheist or agnostic.
anyway, with that said, i strongly disagree with almost everything that you say as i am an atheist, but its good that you have comments now
peace brother
KingMatthewDaGreat 1 year ago
@KingMatthewDaGreat You're right, evolutionists believe in a blind faith way.
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
@JesusforLife2 what?? thats not what i said. my point is that people dont believe in evolution via faith, which is what it takes to believe in a god. there is scientific evidence that prooves evolution, and that evolution is valid until it is disprooven. you can have skeptics of evolution based on science, but its hard to be a skeptic of god based on faith.
bleah, i might be rambling, i hope you get my point
KingMatthewDaGreat 1 year ago
Wow you were an atheist??? What changed your mind?
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Happy holidays, everyone!
SeerSucker1981 1 year ago
my telephone...nice to see the sense of humor and thanks for talking about the real reason for Christmas.
Epoch03 1 year ago
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "My telephone... Yo! What's up?"
Cramm92 1 year ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "My telephone... Yo! What's up?"
Cramm92 1 year ago
I don't mean to be pedantic, but wasn't Jesus born in October? December comes from the room for "ten," but the tenth month of the year is October.
ChurchOfArceus 1 year ago
Why didn't you just cut out the part where you picked up your phone..?
McTrico 1 year ago
Christmas is a PAGAN FESTIVAL do same reserch man
tho i do wish you a marry christmas and a hayyp new yaer and to all for all deserve that in theree life
Blessed Be )O(
MeiOckKaKaiToi 1 year ago
Just thought I would bring up and correct the claim that when someone refers to Christmas as Xmas, they are blocking out the word 'Christ'. This isn't true. Judging by VenomFangX's description below the video, he believes this too. Heck, I believed it as well, and was very offended, until I realized what the X means. The Greek letter Chi (Χ) stood for Christ in the ancient Greek acrostic ΙΧΘΥΣ ichthys. While some see the spelling of Xmas a threat, others see it as a way to honour the martyrs.
8CaptainHowdy 1 year ago
@8CaptainHowdy
In ancient Christian art, χ and χρ are abbreviations for Christ's name. In many manuscripts of the New Testament and icons, X is an abbreviation for Christos, as is XC (the first and last letters in Greek, using the lunate sigma); compare IC for Jesus in Greek. :)
8CaptainHowdy 1 year ago
@8CaptainHowdy
(However, as a side note to you, Venom, yes, I think that replacing "Merry Christmas" with "Happy Holidays" is utterly insulting, abject, despicable and indelicate.)
8CaptainHowdy 1 year ago
@8CaptainHowdy Pagan symbols are NOT from JESUS - they're from Satan.
It's CHRISTMAS - NOT XMAS.
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe
It's not a pagan symbol, you bipolar zealot. It's the symbol FOR Christ in a different language, is all.
8CaptainHowdy 1 year ago
isaiah 29 22 Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale..
job 30 30 my skin is black.
jer 14 2 JUDAH IS BLACK.
lamentation 5 10 our skin is black like an oven.
Joel 3:6 the tribe of judah have you sold to the europeans.
the bible is only talking about a ppl that it describes as black .
sold to grecians(europeans as slave by ships ,WHERE DO YOU FIT IN?PLAYA
ISRAELITEKNUCKLEHEAD 1 year ago
in 28 68 deut it states the israelites will go into slavery by ships.the bible states the tribe of judah is a black nation jer 14 2..
so why are you not black vfx and why did your ppl not go into slavery by ships but instead controlled slavery as atested by many khazars/jews.do you think claiming anothing nations identity then trying to erase it is moral and just?you see we the israelites are a black nation so stop clowning? Isaiah 29 22)your ppl are converts not true israel by blood
ISRAELITEKNUCKLEHEAD 1 year ago
this is BS.
where is christmas in the bible?
as for je-wish
The Jewish Encyclopedia tells us that "Edom is in Modern Jewry". This witness from the 1905 edition records the connection between modern day Jews and the race of Edom: "Some anthropologists are inclined to associate the racial origins of the Jews, not with the Semites, whose language they adopted, but with the Armenians and Hittites of Mesopotamia, whose broad skulls and curved noses they appear to have inherited (Vol. X, p. 284).
ISRAELITEKNUCKLEHEAD 1 year ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus I would say i am... unconvinced that there is a god.... but reguardless... why does it matter what way this is worded.. what is the goal here?
fullygodfullyhuman 1 year ago
Happy Hoidays.
166291 1 year ago
Good stuff 'Bro!
Romans 1:16
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile."
Check out my video: The Truth of Christmas" by cavies4ever
cavies4ever 1 year ago
loved the phone break... and the text for the pauses..that was even better.... I dont care what anyone says keep going bud
BootlegPainting 1 year ago
Umm... I'm not braniac or anything, but, wasn't Jesus supposedly born around the spring time?
Also, Venom, "yo whaddup?" That was great. I hope you had a great Christmas, my friend. :)
sahil89002 1 year ago
Venom. Why do you say "December 25th is not the birthday of Jesus."??? OF COURSE IT IS!!! Jesus is GOD!!! He could have made his birthday anything he wanted! He chose to be born December 25th!!! If he wanted to be born any other day, we'd be celebrating his birthday then - but we don't - we celebrate it on Christmas day. Jesus' birthday. PERIOD.
Any pagan association to Christmas was added by devil worshipers after Jesus was born to try and make their gods look real. They are so evil.
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
Merry belated CHRISTmas! Keep on praying, we never know how the Lord will be working on your family's hearts...all our families hearts..seeds a planting, we know that :) Wow, so glad you are back. So encouraging.
Shamu171 1 year ago
lets be honest man, christmas is a commercial holiday, it is about the lights, the food, the presents and the family, i know very few ppl who mention jesus or anything religion related during this time.
id0stuff 1 year ago
Merry Mithramas! Merry Horusmas! Merry Attismas! and many others!
caddy38 1 year ago
@caddy38
Jeremiah 10:2-4
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
straightToTheWord 1 year ago
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Jeremiah 10:5
"5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."
Back in those times it was told that Nimrod's spirit was in the tree, and if you didn't do this custom his spirit would haunt you..
straightToTheWord 1 year ago
@straightToTheWord There are ancient writings that say Mithra is the Son of God. There are writings that say Horus is the Son of God. There are writings that say Attis is the Son of God. What makes the Hebrew scriptures right and all the others wrong? What's that you say? Because Constantine declared it an official religion in the Roman Empire and Christians started killing all others and heretics??? Nooo. The Bible is the word of god as much as my kindergarten scribblings are.
caddy38 1 year ago
@caddy38 I believe in the bible because it identifies the custom of Christmas as being heathenistic, agreeing what was already known by most historians...
straightToTheWord 1 year ago
@straightToTheWord Don't you realize that if you had brought up to worship Horus you would say that all those who worshiped Jesus were heathens? Your religion is totally arbitrary and based upon what you were born into. The Christians say they have the "absolute truth" and the muslims say they have the "absolute truth" and the Sikhs say they have the "absolute truth" and the zorastrians say they have the "absolute truth". They can't all be right! and none are
caddy38 1 year ago
@caddy38 you are right.
the bible states to the israelites-Amos 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth.
so if your as smart as you sound you will not by into any religion,that includes being jewish,christians,muslim,etc,because the bible teaches common sense and that is the most high did not give religion to mankind.when the children of israel are back in their land you will see absolute truth
ISRAELITEKNUCKLEHEAD 1 year ago
@ISRAELITEKNUCKLEHEAD Some of the bible teaches common sense, though not all the time. I would not call a book supporting slavery, animal abuse, child abuse, misogyny, genocide, and false science as a book of common sense. Why do you think the children of Israel will be back in their land? Are they not already? Why do think ancient sand scribblings are the absolute truth? The only reason you beleive the bible is the word of god is because you were told so since you were born. That's it.
caddy38 1 year ago
@caddy38 i think your mixing up the bible with the Jerusalem/Babylonian Talmud.
ok lets use common sense.about the children of israel ok,the bible teaches us
the children of israel is not pale or white isaiah 29 22,it states that the tribe of judah is black jeremiah 14 2.
its states they will go ionto slavery by ships=blacks of the trans atlantic slave trade,they were sold to europeans joel 3+
ISRAELITEKNUCKLEHEAD 1 year ago
@caddy38 .the jewish encyclopeadia states edom is in modern jewry edom is jacob or israels brother who lost the birthright to jacob ,under the term khazars you will see that these ppl converted to judaism in 740 ad due to what the christians and muslims were up to.the bible calls them impostors rev 2 9 -3 9.
i was not taught to believe but if god says his ppl were to be slaves on ships sold to europeans and it happens then then common sense kicks in..jews =synagogue of satan rev 2.9
ISRAELITEKNUCKLEHEAD 1 year ago
@caddy38 Jesus SAVES those He chooses - and He SPEAKS to those he chooses.
Does Horus talk to me? No. Does Allah care about me? No. Does Sikhs protect me? No. Does Zoroastia comfort me? No.
JESUS DOES. That's how I KNOW He's ABSOLUTE TRUTH!
People like you can scream your lies all you want from hell.
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe And why then would not this omnipotent god CHOOSE to save all? If there is no HUMAN choice whatsoever, if there is no FREE WILL, what other purpose does your god have for tormenting souls for all eternity than sheer sadism? And you expect others to buy this cock and bull story about your supposed 'loving god'? Tell me, holy roller, what excites you the most? Not going to hell yourself or the thought that all those who don't believe like you will be tortured forever?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
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@TennesseeOwnsMyBones Still no proof huh, no surprise
SnapDragon2012 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe That's called Schizophrenia. You need to get your head checked.
TheHairline 1 year ago
@caddy38 You are right, religion is wrong... The Most High never gave us religion to follow
straightToTheWord 1 year ago
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straightToTheWord 1 year ago
Jesus was born on December 25th year ZERO.
What evil makes you say he wasn't??!?!!?
You're listening to liars.
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe THERE IS NOTHING, AND I DO MEAN NOTHING IN THE BIBLE THAT SUPPORTS THE CLAIM HE WAS BORN ON DECEMBER 25TH
SnapDragon2012 1 year ago
@SnapDragon2012 You just don't know how to read the bible.
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe SURE I DO, you are the one lacking in reading skills..... name the EXACT passage where December 25th is mentioned.
SnapDragon2012 1 year ago
@SnapDragon2012 If Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, then his birthday wouldn't be celebrated December 25. He's GOD. He could've made his birthday whatever he wanted it to be. And he chose December 25.
God's will. Get use to it.
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe Bible verses required if you are going to say he chosed December 25th. If you dont have any scriptural support, there is no reason to take conjecture as 100% fact.
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
@JesusforLife2 "And he chose December 25.
. POINT OUT THE EXACT PASSAGE IN THE BIBLE WHERE THAT IS STATED...... there isn't one because it never happened.
SnapDragon2012 1 year ago
@SnapDragon2012 Jesus is God. Are you saying God can't pick his birthday?
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
@SnapDragon2012 The kid is a troll just look at his channel.
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
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@JesusforLife2 Oh so in other words you can't back up your claims with proof.
SnapDragon2012 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe THERE IS NOTHING ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS HE WAS BORN ON DECEMBER 25TH. IT IS A PAGAN HOLIDAY HIJACKED BY THE CHURCH.... PERIOD
SnapDragon2012 1 year ago
@SnapDragon2012 back in Jesus' day, times and days didn't matter. Jesus gave us the calender when he died. AD - After death. DUH! And obviously, he wanted his birthday on December 25th. He's GOD! He could have had his birthday on any day of the year - and he chose December 25th. If he wanted us to celebrate his birthday on July 4th, we'd be celebrating it July 4th.
He's GOD! What part of that don't you understand?!?!
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe Actually AD stands for Anno Domini, which means "in the year of our lord" and this calender wasn't even put into use until what we would consider the 5th century. And no, times and dates DID matter in the past, there are many different types of calenders besides the Gregorian one.
oaajbs 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe "he wanted his birthday on December 25th.
.
PROVE IT.
SnapDragon2012 1 year ago
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@SnapDragon2012 ""he wanted his birthday on December 25th. PROVE IT. "
Is God all-powerful? Yes. Does everything happen according to God's will? Yes. Is Jesus' birthday Dec 25? Yes. Could it be December 25th against God's will? Nope.
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe STILL WAITING..... post the actual passage that supports your claim
SnapDragon2012 1 year ago
@SnapDragon2012 are you serious?!? You don't know where you can find "everything happens according to God's Will" in the bible? Open a page! Any page! Everything in there happened because it's GOD'S WILL!
You woke up this morning because of God's Will.
You have a computer because of God's Will.
Everything you every have and do is GOD'S WILL!
But what - you think God can't get his Son's birthday right?
AHAHAHAHAHA You're so brainwashed by stupidity!!!
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe God WILLS all to be saved, so everyone WILL be saved... unless of course you counter that God's will in effect is not binding.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
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@JesusIsRealTrustMe you are the one who is brainwashed and can't back up your claims with proof.
SnapDragon2012 1 year ago
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@JesusIsRealTrustMe CLEARLY you are the one who is a brainwashed cultist who can't back up any of your claims with actual proof.
SnapDragon2012 1 year ago
@JesusIsRealTrustMe
Christmas is pagan, read Jeremiah 10:1-5... We must believe on Christ as the Scriptures say... This world is preaching a Pagan Christ given to us by the europeans...
"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him]." 2 Corinthians 11:4
straightToTheWord 1 year ago
@straightToTheWord Christmas isn't pagan, it's the day Jesus was born.
JesusIsRealTrustMe 1 year ago
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@JesusIsRealTrustMe "Christmas isn't pagan, it's the day Jesus was born." What scripture is that???
straightToTheWord 1 year ago
So glad you are back!
quintonflyn9000 1 year ago
Hello Shawn, Merry Christmas too.
I am glad you are back. And some of your (old) video's were very instructing and revealing for me.
HOWEVER : I sincerely have something important to tell to you.
Something very little people know yet. And it is not for everybody's ears yet.
That's why I want to ask you how i can contact you by phone. I'm not from US.
Of course I can give you my phonenumber also to tell this important thing.
You don't know what it is, but I hope you MESSAGFE me.
JEZUSTUBE.
Thnx
JEZUSTUBE 1 year ago
When people dont have knowledge of the one true god, they do indeed invent god. God is a necessity, even if its a little tin-pot god of self-idolatry. Saying a person does not have a god is like saying they dont have a head. I think, saying "I am an Atheist" is a dishonest statement.
havock89 1 year ago
Well, I have to say, these new videos of yours have made me chuckle on more than one occasion. There's a sense of humor present here that hasn't been in your past videos. You took what was potentially a ruined take and turned it into lighthearted and harmless comedy.
I'm an atheist. I enjoyed a very merry Christmas with my staunchly Catholic family. Christmas lights, and especially a Christmas tree in a darkened room...the beauty speaks to me. Happy New Year, Shawn.
thelastholdout 1 year ago
thanks for sharing man... i always feel like we get to know the Shawn "underneath" when you post videos like this..
DisforDubby 1 year ago
BLOOPER! LOL
MJOLNIRVII 1 year ago
shawn, why can't you be this level headed on your other videos?
misterbuckethead 1 year ago
God bless.
MeanHacker 1 year ago
I'll give you this one Shawn, not a bad video. Happy New Year.
Cellan86 1 year ago
What is wrong with Xmas? While the colloquial usage may not be the original usage but people have been abbreviating Christmas as something such as Xmas for ages. Such as "X'temmas" since the 16th century. And before the usage of just an X it was Xr(or "p" the Chi Rho... you know... what Constantine saw... )=> Xres maesse (Anglo-Saxon). So, Xmas is an ancient tradition that is not meant to "erase" Christ, but X is a commonly accepted abbreviation for Christ.
HornPlayer983 1 year ago
@HornPlayer983
Furthermore, whats wrong with "Holiday"? I know people want people to believe that there is a new a war against Christmas, but I believe honest research show that this is not true. I mean in the first place, Christmas is a Holy Day. But more specifically, while I can't cite this or something, I interned at a local historical society and was going through papers/cards from the 19th century and I found cards that had "Happy Holidays on it." Frankly, this "war" is a ruse.
HornPlayer983 1 year ago
@HornPlayer983
So, I believe that people are just making emotional, irrational assumptions. They see "Xmas" and the media tells the that there is a "war on Christmas" and they come to conclusions without actually researching what Xmas means. In general people are just making assumptions... how can you know someone's intention without them saying their intention?
HornPlayer983 1 year ago
Nobody in my family is christian and we all have christmas trees, presents and stuff. hmmmm
SecularNumanist 1 year ago
Hope you had a merry Mythmas. Happy Birthday, Frosty!
EntinludeX 1 year ago
A Merry Christmas and a Blessed Christmas to you Shawn and all the best for the New Year!
LemonSaucy 1 year ago
Let the feeling of Christmas be a part of your everyday existence. Don't limit it to the 25th of December, a day chosen to celebrate many winter festivals. We all know Jesus was not born on this day anyway, it was a just the day chosen to celebrate it. Celebrate it always, and a new change will come, if not externally definitely esoterically.
MuslimWisdom 1 year ago
Whoa whoa whoa... I live in a family of Atheists... and we hang up Christmas lights, have two Christmas trees, and go out caroling. I think your family don't like you. :)
TheReviewKid 1 year ago
what did you guys get Jesus for Christmas? I'm gonna be really embarrassed if you guys got him the same thing i did.
upjumpthedevil 1 year ago
So... because of a non-Christian family, you don't celebrate any Christmas related activities? I don't have a christian family, and we entertain Christmas-time things every year.
hedonism13 1 year ago
"Learn not the way of the heathen,... for the customs of the ppl r vain; for one cut a tree out of the forest,...they deck it with silver & gold;..fasten it with nails...they r upright as the palm-tree...But they r altogether brutish & foolish, the stock is a doctrine of vanities. Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, & gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, ...." (Jer 10:1-16)
But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting King. Amen.
shibakim 1 year ago
@shibakim Which lord is the true god? Allah? Vulcan? Indra? etc, etc, etc....
mythicalhell 1 year ago
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@mythicalhell The True God is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.
shibakim 7 months ago
Xmas = Christmas
rawwqq 1 year ago
*Ring Ring Ring*
.... my telephone?
What up?
graffpk 1 year ago
perhaps this has been posted already but you should know that Xmas is a Christian term, not a secular way of taking Christ of out the word. X has been used by Christians for hundreds of years in place of Christ (for instance you would be called a Xtian)
giddyup523 1 year ago
Yeah, pagan religion, the only kind of pagan I know of. That's what those organizations I listed are all based on. I had that figured out despite the fact that Im so close minded. By the way, how is it that you've come to the conclusion that I am so close minded? I stated that Christianity has hijacked many of its traditions from pagan RELIGION (wink!). You chimed in with "nothing in this world is pagan, its just misunderstood." Explain? What are all those pagans doing if nothing is pagan?
burns725 1 year ago
None of my days are pagan, including Christmas..because I have chosen to give everyday to Christ
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@techepix As long Christianity continues to exist and continues to embrace Christmas these arguments will continue to be offered. I'm not going to apologize for being the 1001st person to argue rationality and history in the face of ignorance and fundamentalism. And no, there is not 'some' truth to what I am saying, its all true. Every single statement I made is 100% verifiable and true and historically accurate. Christmas is paganism for Christians.
burns725 1 year ago
@burns725 nothing in this world is pagan, its just misunderstood.
Crome267 1 year ago
@Crome267 ...sure, whatever. Better get the Pagan Federation / Federation Paienne Canada and Pagan Federation International and the Pagan Association of Red Deer and Proactive Wiccan Pagan Alliance and The Canadian Pagan Union on the line and let them know that they have misunderstood what its all about.
burns725 1 year ago
Merry Christmas and God bless you and your family VenomFangX.
JohnnyBoy2802 1 year ago
Welcome back Shawn. Merry Christmas. GB. Ray
RnDEntertainment 1 year ago
I celebrate Christmas as a period of relaxation in the bleak winter months, which I think was the original purpose of the festival before a certain bunch of lads started their missionary work.
Anyway, VFX, although I disagree with lots of your opinions, I hope that you have a good Christmas and a productive, happy New Year.
SpiritKnob 1 year ago
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lostbookshop 1 year ago
I'm surprised you have subscribed to Keith Truth but not Chris White Knowwheretorun1984, hmm.... interesting...
user/Knowwheretorun1984
GalinorGustave 1 year ago
Hey my brother. Good to see you back on the channel. Missed ya.
formeragnostic 1 year ago
the "no presents" thing seems like a lie.
jefftavolieri 1 year ago
A place or state of torment or suffering.. The abode of condemned souls; hell.
In the Old Testament, there was a reference to a valley outside of Jerusalem.
However, In the NT Gehenna is seen as a place of unquenchable fire (Mark 9:43-47). God has the authority to cast wicked men into this hell (Matt 10:28) in whose fire he can destroy the soul and the body
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 That same unquenchable fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, or the same unquenchable fire that God would sent upon Jerusalem in his wrath? As such: are Sodom and Gomorrah, or Jerusalem, burning today? As far as throwing people into fire is concerned, you may want to check Jeremia 7:30-31.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
You are not getting that Jesus will judge the living and the dead someday...and that is different than any other judgments He will render...It is different than the world wide flood. It is different than Sodom and Gomorrah. It is the FINAL judgment YET to come
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 So ' unquenchable' actually means ' quenchable' whenever it suits you?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
Where the Bible says it is unquenchable, I will agree with that..You can't change the mind of someone who belongs to Christ. He is my authority. He says that it will someday happen and it will.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 ... and you accuse me of copy- and pasting the bible...
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@VenomFangX Merry Christmas Shawn!!!
PeaceInChristAlone 1 year ago
ORIGINAL SIN, on the other hand, is speaking about the fallen nature of man, the "hereditary stain" we carry because of the sin of Adam. This is way we are attracted to sin.
A good place to look where scripture affirms original sin is Psalm 51:7
"True, I was born guilty, a sinner, even as my mother conceived me."
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 "Hereditary stain"... you are now refering to the wording of the catholic church elder St. Augustine... you do realize that?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
I don't care who coined the phrase. It is a biblical concept...is it not? Even if you don't believe, it is in there.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 Very well... then I ask you again: where do the souls of unbaptized, prematurely deceased babies go?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 This is interesting... so, according to you, where do unbaptized infants go when they die prematurely?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
I can't say according to me...as I try to make the Bible the authority. I am not God and I don't know. I do know that baptism saves no one. The Bible does not specifically address infants, but I do believe that Jesus will save them.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 ... why? If we're all stained with this ghastly sinfulness, how are infants exempted? You even quoted scripture to prove that everyone is evil from the get-go.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
Because I believe the blood of Christ will cover their sins. Not water baptism. I don't believe they need baptism. I do believe that Jesus suffered for their souls as well and that He will welcome them. There are some verses that convince me of that. Jesus takes care of the "ghastly sinfullness". Babies are not old enough to reject him...adults are...the Bible says that people are lost because they don't believe on the name of the only begotten son of God.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 ... then how can infants be 'evil' from the start, if they have no knowledge of right and wrong?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
The Bible tells us that babies are born with original sin whether they are old enough to have knowledge of right and wrong. The only baby ever born without original sin was Jesus. Your most recent question was asking if I thought their souls would be saved....of course I do. With His stripes the babies are healed from original sin. Older people who reject are not healed because they don't want to be. They are rejecting the healer.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
Original sin...
Thats the problem with "copy and pasting" (and I mean that figuratively) the Bible.
No, this does not contradict the idea of original sin, two different issues are being discussed. This verse is addressing sin in accordance with the law. It's a legal point. Ezekiel is saying that if a father sins under the law, the son doesn't bear his guilt. Likewise if a son sins under the law, the father doesn't bear guilt
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 That is a matter of interpretation. Read Ezechiel 18:1-4. It never even mentions the Law.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
Mary veneration? Most of the RCC is not honest with themselves over this one...
Does this come across as worship:
I love thee, most lovable Lady, By the love which I bear thee, I promise ever to serve thee,
and to do as much as I can, that thou be loved by others also. I put all my hopes in thee,
all my salvation. Receive me as thy servant and cover me with the mantle of thy protection,
thou the Mother of mercy!
Amen.
"all my salvation", yeah sure sounds like veneration to me.
hmm
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 I have never in my life heard of the 'prayer' you just uttered. Please give me the title.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
Most lovable Lady.
And, that prayer is just one out of tons that do not mention Mary just praying for us...not that prayers to Mary are heard by her, they are not.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 'Most lovable Lady'... never heard of it. And how are you sure some prayers aren't heard?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
Mary is a sinner just like us....since that is true our prayers are only heard by Divinity (God, His Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) as they are the only ones capable of hearing us.
And, the New Testament says we are only to ask in Jesus name. Anything else is blasphemous.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 That's another thing... I reckon you subcribe to the - catholic - dogma of original sin? Please link this supposedly biblical doctrine to Ezechiel 18, the entire chapter.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
Original sin is Biblical so I would agree with them until they say that Mary was born without original sin...that is another difference
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 Original sin is biblical? Then I guess Ezechiel should be removed from the Bible...
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
It can be shown that the New Testament books were gathered into one volume and were in circulation long before the Catholic Church claims to have taken its action in 390 at the council of Hippo.
The Bible is not a Catholic book. Catholics did not write it, nor does their doctrines and church meet the description of the doctrine and church of which it speaks.
And, actually I have almighty God to thank for His word.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 There were circulations indeed. But the canon as we know it was only established in 393 AD. Why were books like the Shephard of Hermas, the Gospel of Truth, the Apocalypse of Paul etc. left out? Your bold assessment that the canon as we know it somehow 'has always been there in one form or another', is demonstrably false. The canon as it is in use today stems from decisions made at the Council op Hippo in 393 AD.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
I believe that the Shephard of Hermas is a second century writing and the others pretty much around the same time period.
I think there are alot of good Christian books in circulation, now and then...but, not inspired by God, meaning God breathed.
I don't think the canon was completely in circulation as we know it, but, we do know that it was in circulation for the most part.
Things became a problem when new parts of the gospel were added that were heretical.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 Really... and why would one book be breathed by God and another not? This explains why there even were discrepancies in the various canons. And what exactly were these new parts that were somehow added to the gospel? Are you refering to the very valid argument that parts of Paul's letters to the Corinthians had been worked on to suit orthodox needs (the 'women stay quiet in church' bit is under considerable investigation)?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
New parts being mostly what is comprised in the RCC that are not Biblical and cannot even be found in the early books that just didn't make it to canon. These new herecies have been added over time (hundreds of years) and are vastly different from the New Testament church
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 New parts written up in the New Testament? Which ones? Also, as you will find out, the RCC indeed did invent one particular dogma that is regarded as absolute truth today: the concept of hell as a place of eternal torment. Strangely, you don't seem to mind this catholic alteration...
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
There are other Catholic ideals that agree with the Bible...Hell is not the only thing that are similar in beliefs. The mormon Bible also has similarities to the Holy Bible...however, I do not hold to the idea that we will rule planets, or that we were once spirit children any more than I hold to Mary being Queen of Heaven or a belief in transubstantion, or purgatory...those all are extrabiblical traditions.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 You fail to see that 'hell' is also built on extrabiblical traditions, mainly ancient Egyptian, Sumerian and Zoroastrian tradition. So you fault the RCC for cluttering the 'true faith' with bogus traditions, yet you maintain that one of those, 'hell', is actually biblically sound...
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
It matters little to me that people of the same time period as when the Holy Bible was written also have a view of Hell. It is because the concept of Hell was known in that time period.
Jesus is my God. He talked about eternal torment. I believe Him and He didn't talk about it in the context of outside the city limits....Read about the rich man and lazarus.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 The Rich Man and Lazarus? You mean that there is an immediate judgment after death? Yet Revelations says the general judgment will be at the end of time. Jesus spoke in PARABLES...
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 The Rich Man and Lazarus? You mean that there is an immediate judgment after death? Yet Revelations says the general judgment will be at the end of time. Jesus spoke in PARABLES...
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
Oh dear...okay, it is very evident that you need to study scripture a little more.
Jesus parables were examples of real themes. Jesus wasn't telling a story to tell a story. He was telling a story to express a truth about something, which was something He did often.
And, Revelation speaks of eternal torment and the lake of fire..some of the same concepts Jesus spoke of earlier in the gospels.
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 I have to study scripture a little more? Seriously? Have you read the original Greek?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
I have not read the original Greek in total, no....but, I can look up the meanings of the words just as well as you do.
Does that mean you are trying to tell me that Jesus parables were nothing but story telling and that reading the original Greek told you that....or that Jesus will not judge the living and dead at the end of time,,,reading the original Greek told you that....what other things has the original Greek told you that flies in the face of the gospel of Jesus?
angelcollector22 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 There you go: judge the living and the dead at the end of time... Yet, you claim that Jesus' parable of Lazarus and Dives is to be taken literally, and as such, we have a judgment right after death and not only that, we have Lazarus saved, in Abraham's bosom, even when Christ hasn't yet sacrificed his blood. Oh and do tell - what is the meaning of the word Gehenna?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
Nope....I did not say that the characters in His parable were literal...I said that the truth behind it IS
angelcollector22 1 year ago
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TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@angelcollector22 How can that be... Jesus spoke these words while still alive, therefore, the judgment had not yet been delivered. Therefore, Jesus obviously spoke in symbols. YOU interpret it as saying that Jesus will cast people to hell, a place of eternal physical torment...
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones
You are speaking about Jesus within the context of a 33 year period...He is eternal. He was the same God who spoke of Judgement in the OT and the same God who speaks of it in Revelation. Creator God cannot be held within the confines of our time.
It is very possible that Jesus spoke of things to come...He has done that several times throughout scripture.
angelcollector22 1 year ago