crob227's spiral plate cell ultrasonic gas volume test

[ZeroFossilFuel]

So considering the closing comments would you say production was likely equal?

[m3sca1]

@ZeroFossilFuel

the production was less with the ultrasonic frequency used,in this experiment-the frequency was at the wall current frequency of 50 Hz.

im not sayin that other freq's work worse or better,just that is the only freq. i have tried

the ultrasonic decive that i used only ran at the wall freq. from the AC power supply.

so no gas gain,maybe short pulses would work,but with constant sound i had no joy.

perhaps bubble formation is helped along by micro bubbles between the plates

[AnimePlanet7]

People put alot of faith in electrolisis...it's detructive to one metal electrode (costly) and it requires lot of electricity. I believe the trick is to separate the water when it's a mist. Steam, or a 'cold' mist. How do we separate this mist fast enough to run an engine? Maybe pass the mist through a 'charged' screen mesh to ionized the particles (cathodes-) and then use anodes+(plates) to attract the negatively charged mist stream into two ports. Hydrogen & Oxygen. In theory..of course!!

[NotnaRed]

Just take a electrode made from gold, AnimePlanet7. Gold doesn't rost.

[NEON271156]

you could also be dealing with Acustic impedance at a steel & water interface... !! IE reflected energy....

just somthing to think about... check ultrasonics flaw detection for technicans by J.C. DRURY, PAGES 19 &51/52.

THOM SCOTLAND.

[NEON271156]

hi, ultrasonics is used in "electroplating" to suppress bubble activity, and hence produce more efficent plating proccess, not sure Dbs involved but it can have opposit result than assisting bubbles, actually suppresses.

[donkey2lathe]

Hi ,interesting test ,like your typical aussie dont to earth aproach ,keep it up mate

[m3sca1]

thanx

[darkrashan]

another interesting experiment might be to toss the ultrasonics in the bubbler.. not sure what kind of effect that would have, but it might prove interesting..

[TeslaLight]

Meyer used ultrasonics, hence the term resonant cavity. You have to pulse the water and set the electrode voltage timing up.

Good lab work. Please don't quit, you are on the 99 yard line.

[m3sca1]

thanx for your encouraging words

[SmartScarecrow]

I did try similar a couple years ago. Problem I was fighting was bubble accumulation on plates. Tried ultrasonics to keep plates clear. But when it did not increase production I dropped it due to complexity. I am looking at it again because my latests setup creates huge quantiy of fast moving nano bubbles. Am thinking this might help to get them out of solution. We shall see.

[m3sca1]

maybe pipe the liquid away from the plates,and sonicate there,so the waves from the transducer arent impinging on the plates

[b0utch]

I was thinking about a mechanical vibration device to get the bubbles off the electrodes, finding the best frequency for the vibration might take some time thought

[SGiHunter]

However, if you pulse this Cell with DC and tune the frequency to match the Ultrasonic unit you will have better results. Not an easy task as the Ultrasonic unit has a very complex frequency set.

aka IronHead

[m3sca1]

Thnax for that info.

it appears that ultrasonics will disassociate water without any voltage across the cell.This worked best when a standing wave was set up between the cell and the transducer.However the volumes i saw were to small to test.What do you think SGiHunter?

[SGiHunter]

I think you should continue your research on this as you are correct in your primary thinking on this technology.

[SGiHunter]

Ultrasonic Fogger is interfering with the electromagnetic wave in the Cell that disassociates the water molecule.I have done all kinds of test with sound and radio waves and found in the ultrasonic range this fact.

[aflacduky]

you used a very similar why to get by base line readings keep up the hard work cheers!

[m3sca1]

ultrasonics under the cell:20mL/25.30 sec

ultrasonics off  :20mL/21.79 sec

[m3sca1]

ok i will try this-keep in mind that the cell has a void in the centre-and that is about the same size as the transducer-so the plates should shake more from the side-ultrasonics does separate water tho...see previous vid

[dreamyear]

i think Ultrasonic fogger should be under the fuel cell.