Ok, I didn't realise that you were not even Christian. Don't deceive yourself that you are Christian. Jesus is God and now reigns in heaven with all His angels and saints. His mother is of course in heaven with Him, as are all faithful disciples of Christ. "sons of God" in genesis refers to angels, who bore giants to human women. It is a different meaning to THE Son of God, Jesus. Jesus made His apostles priests and gave them power to forgive sin.
@sharbel23 HERE WE GO, THE STONE THROWING BEGINS. it always does when someone is loosing their grip on an argument. there may be angels in heaven with god and jesus. there is no biblical evidence that i am aware of that anyone else is there. paul makes it clear on his death bed -fight the good fight etc. that "of course" for mary being in heaven is from where? cos u was told as a kid? jesuus was a rabbi, if he made his disciples anything it would have been rabbis.
@viago2 jesus did ask them to spread his gospel and for john to keep an eye out for mary etc. but to say he gave them the power to forgive sin is beyond the pale, it is outright heracy. all of the apostles are crystal clear that only god has the power to forgive sin. they also are concerned about the dangers of false teachers taking control of the church.(please note, they are talking to you). there are no special powers or knowledge handed down to anyone, just the knowledge of ....
Quaeso te, o alios despicientissime, ut desinas Deum Ecclesiamque blasphemare; Quidquam agere potes, neque debes Dei promissionibus rebusque uere gestis confidere; sin non recta parte iudicandi uenturum esse uideberis, noli autem lacrimare hoc fuisse iniustum. Iesus apostolos in orbem terrarum misit qui in sacritissimae Trinitatis nomine baptizarentur et euangelium gentibus praeciperetur.
@Crucigerius the gravitas of an arguement is, in no way, enhanced by the inapropriate use of a dead language. however, it is apropriate that a dead church should rely upon a dead language to justifyits existance. th the torch of truth has been shone brightly into your face and as that brightness hurts your eyes you have the choice to embracee light of etermal life or to turn your face to the comfort of tradition.
@Crucigerius quod gravitas alicuius argumentum nihil addidit inapropriate ab usu lingua mortua. autem est simile, & simile est quod Ecclesia a mortuis lingua mortua inniti justifyits esse. th facem splendide lucet in vultu est veritatis splendor et vulneret oculos tuos ut tibi optionem embracee etermal lumen vultus tui, ad solatium vitae verto elit.
right then pal, BLASPHEMY. you have no understanding of any of the bible whatsoever if you think that suggesting it is possible that mary was arranging her son jesus' wedding at cana is disrespectful to god. marriage is a holy sacrament which is a commandment of god himself. it is grossly unlikely that jesus would have disobeyed gods commandments. if he had then, matey , he would not have been without sin and would have remained in hell. also my deluded ...
@sharbel23 ....friend there is another commandment, go forth and multiply, you heard of that? well the same applies. i am not saying that these are the facts just that it is reasonable that they are. for catholic priests to be unmarried is an offence unto god. and the evil that has come from it is manifesting itself as we speak.
turn your back on the dark side while you still can for you will be judged according to the light you have received.
You can see the apostles ordaining other priests in the N.T. scriptures, with their power as bishops. It is historical fact that the various apostles had episcopal chairs - ie the chairs of bishops in different locations, such as Rome and Jerusalem. These seats were filled after their deaths by new bishops, and so on down the ages. Your comment about Jesus getting married is blasphemy and shows you aren't Christian. I suggest you learn the faith.
cont. "no scripture is of private interpretation". that means it is clear and available to all and no man can claim to know the real meaning over any other man. i guess you can not see that as being crystal clear either. one final point for you to deny (probably using the old and feeble poor translation from the original aramaic ruse) is that jesus was not the only son of god for there were others who seemed to have a penchant for human women. (see genesis 6 v2). im guessing that would ...
cont. mary magdalen anyhow. i fail to see any relevance in that.
why do you deny what conflicts you skewed belief and play selectively with the bible? you know jesus said that of his mother yet you deny it. you know jesus said that whosoever believeth on him shall have everlasting life. that means anyone and not those who go through a manmade priest, vicar, pastor or pope. comrehendest thou?
free yourself from your dependance on the church. you said it yourself, ........
omg. you are in deeper than i thought. what is this nonsense you talk. mate, the bishops are not the apostles. are you nuts? you guys pray to mary to answer your prayers like she is in heaven. sorry to be the one to tell you but mary is buried in ephes in turkey. that crap about the assumption was invented in the middle ages. there is one book, thats it and if it aint there it dont count. get it?
if you are talking about the wine thing at cana that was probably his own wedding to ..........
@sharbel23 Just curious if you mean small c or big C Catholicism when you say all religions but Catholicism are of the devil. There are many reputable, conservative, theologically sound churches that don't necessarily consider themselves Catholic. We may differ on some minor points (meaning they are not faith changing, like denying Christ's divinity would be), but our faith is just as true as yours.
Re the exchange between AbidingGood and Hamzafan 1 mo ago: I left my screen "up" where I was lecturing, someone else here chimed in, the comments were not mine. However, I agree w the poster that Christianity originated within the Roman Empire, but that does NOT mean Latin was the original liturgical language. "In fact", Jesus' followers used Aramaic and Hebrew more than Greek (if any of them used Greek). This chant is beautiful, so is Aramaic and I surrender to God-inspired beauty. - Daniel PDX
@sjacobslordjude I think though it would be good if the Church reintroduced Latin but also The Greek Language Present at the time of the Apostles as well.
@godfather89 the problem of using latin as the common church language, also during the mass, is that only the priest understands what's been said, as 99,9percent of the population does not speak latin
this idea is shameful - that learning a language for God is too much? I recently went on a pilgrimage for Christ the King. Almost everyone - about 350 people - knows the Latin of the mass and innumerable Latin hyms, chants and prayers. Jews learn a sacred tongue for their false religion, so do Indians and other cultures too. Shall we not spend a few measly hours learning a language for the true and infinitely holy God of heaven? Novus ordo mentality is selfish, lazy, ungrateful
@sharbel23 Your ideas regarding other peoples religion are shameful. good for you that your a zealot. Good thing church Latin is always so grammatically accurate.
Sir, this idea does not come from me - it says in the psalms: "the gods of the nations are demons, but the Lord made the heavens."
All religions except Catholicism are of the devil, for example, when a devil disguised as the archangel Gabriel appeared to mohammed to reveal a new religion, denying Christ, the angel always faced away and never showed his face, saying that mohammed couldn't look on the glory. In the N.T. angels showed their faces. It was not Gabriel, but a demon.
The name for true Christianity "Catholic" is first recorded as used at the end of the 1st century. The Arian heresy started to afflict the Church early on, ie. the denial of Christ's Divinity. Calling true Christianity "Catholic" had as one of its purposes the identifying of true Christianity from corrupted Christianity, such as that taught by the Arians and other heretics and corruptors of the gospel. Catholicism never became united to Rome. (cont)
It simply took root there as it did in many other cities, with the difference that Rome was the center of pagan Roman empire, which was undone by Christianity, and converted into the holy Roman empire, but it did not function as a worldly empire trying to conquer and make war - it served as a an effective means of spreading the gospel to many places. Peter and Paul both went to Rome, and historically, Peter's episcopal seat was in Rome, hence the Papacy being in Rome.
Now, now, I'm a Catholic, but going to say that other religions are of the devils is taking it too far. All religions are but different yet similar paths leading to the same destinations of redemption, salvation, and peace.
@sharbel23 the bible, should you choose to read it, is clear about the worshipping of false idols and the consequences of doing so. jesus makes it absolutely crystal clear that mary has no special place as his mother and that anyone who follows him is more worthy of gods grace than his earth (? biological) mother. any person who prays to mary, therefore, is guilty of worshipping a false idol. it is mary magdalene who jesus first appeared to. he never even bothered with his mother. the truth.
Your comments are very far from the truth. St John says that it would take all the books in the world to fill all that Jesus said and did. What the bible says Jesus said and did after His resurrection is only a fraction of what He said and did - and the bible itself says that this is the case - that only a fraction is recorded, so that's the last part of your comment out the window. You say that Jesus makes it absolutely crystal clear, and then you make a false statement, (cont)
(cont) that Mary has no special place as His mother. This statement is undone by Christs words to His apostles that to them is given the secrets of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables so that hearing they do not understand. This also brings down the false foundations of protestantism, that anyone can read and understand the bible. The bible says that no scripture is of private interpretation. It is only the apostles (bishops) who can interpret it. (cont)
Not that anyone can't receive inspiration, but the proper and Divinely approved meanings come from the authority of the Church. So your statement rests on you understanding correctly those words of Our Lord, but Our Lord didn't give this charism to you, but to the Apostles - bishops - church authority. Idol worship is offering to something less than God, the adoration due only to God. We offer to Mary veneration, and a special one. We venerate our parents too but in a different
way. We offer veneration of different types to things and people. There are incidences of this in the bible, such as when it says so and so 'worshipped' at the feet of so and so, which happens multiple times in the O.T. ADORATION, however is given only to God and Catholic have never adored Mary.
At Cana, Christ worked a miracle before His 'hour', before His public life had commenced, which it did only after His baptism in the Jordan. He did this at His Mothers intercession.
@PadraikKasier To be quite frank, I don't think God cares what clothing you attend the mass in or what language you use to praise His name. I just think that, if He is real, he would want us to be doing more than arguing on YouTube. Not that I'm saying you are, but I am saying that I don't really think it matters to Him unless we are making something meaningful and good out of the lives He gave us.
@JuliaWasHere; It's not so much that it matters to him that it shows how much the person values how he/she shows praise to Him. If you hypothetically show up with no pants, a ketchup-stained Hawaiian shirt, and a strong stench of whiskey to mass, I would reprimand you: God's not being a fashion judge here; He is going to be concerned that you don't value his one-hour worship time enough to take proper care of yourself and not distract your fellow parishioners from prayer. Those are my two bits.
@PadraikKasier I am just curious, and I am not trying to start anything (I am only asking this because I can tell you are an educated individual), do you believe God wants to be worshiped? The way I look at it is that God is a modest Entity. As humans, we should show reverence to Him, and respect Him, but should we worship him? Would He want that?
@JuliaWasHere; Of course. "Worship" may carry in your mind negative, perhaps selfish connotations, but God truly wants us to love him and be part of him. Worship is an integral part of that. A certain amount of time must be spent praising God at least, or else how can one say that they know, respect, and love him?
Also, it does rather say to worship God outright in the Bible, several times. It's hard to get around that when it's quite explicit.
@PadraikKasier well in a logical sense yes: its both true, and in both cases god probably wont give a crap. just the people in congregation judging you.
It's not arrogance - it is a mark of the esteem and reverence we have for God that everything associated to His worship is uncommon. From our clothes, to the house we worship in (churches), to the language we use, all is special, sacred, uncommon, and in particular, consecrated to God. Consecrated to Him means we don't use it for any common purpose or for anything else except His worship. In the psalms God says: "I give my glory to no other."
@opium25 So now you're forcing your belief on people who have "little interest." Congrats, you're a hypocrite like the rest of us. I suggest you climb down from your ivory tower.
Find somebody in the streets and pay them ten dollars to read the bible for you. Play this chant in the background. Latin is the language of the sacred of the spirit of God within us.
This is extraordinarily beautiful chant. However, Christianity is a middle-eastern religion, and Latin became the dominant language of the church when the Roman empire took it over. Returning to Latin is NOT returning to the "original" liturgy! If you like this, you might really also enjoy Aramaic chanting! Blessings,
@hamzafan You have a false view of both Christianity's origins and its relation to the Roman Empire. St Peter and St Paul both brought the Gospel to Rome; the Church has been both Eastern and Western since the time of the Apostles. Second, Latin has always been the language of the Roman Church, but has never been the language of the Eastern Church; in fact, Greek has always been the dominant language. Third, the Roman Empire never "took over" the Church.
yeah in vienna we have great chruches where you can listen every sunday to such chants.
Google "St. Stephens Cathedral vienna" and "votiv church vienna" theese are in my own opinion the most beautiful and original chruches i have ever been to.
Latin is the language of the *roman* catholic church.
In my view the most important is to respect the liturgy (which comes with its part of the Tradition). I don't expect druzes or maronites to sing a mass in latin but to do it as "truthfully" as they can. In the same way, do you know how it feels to enter a small countryside church in a foreign country (say, ex-Yougoslavia) and the priest switches to latin so you can follow the mass? Then you know you're part of a big family.
Latin is the language of the Catholic Church. Although The Church did NOT invent Latin (and I dont think anyone here is saying that) it safeguarded it from the fall of the roman empire until modern times, created thousands of new words and phrases and whole new styles of latin through its liturgy, hymns, chants, books and so on. It is because of this rich heritage in Latin that the Churches language itself has become Latin so that the Church has one language and one voice not many.
@sjacobslordjude that is very stupid. why would god care what language they use? you apparently dont know where Latin originated from so dont be giving credit to the church. it originated in ancient Rome WAAAAY before the time of christ. and last i checked ancient romans had many gods. dont talk about what you dont know.
@bokeronbreakz it originated from ancient Rome before the Church was even established. i know the church still uses it, however the language is NOT of the church. please look at history before giving credit to those who do not deserve it.
@bokeronbreakz my point was, dont go giving credit to them for the language. and my original question still stands.....why the hell would god care what language the church uses?
@bokeronbreakz The Catholic Church originated from Christ and his apostles in Jerusalem, so... the first languages of the Catholic Church were hebrew, greek, and aramaic. The Catholic Church didn't start in Rome, the Roman Church took its place as the head of Churches because of St. Peter. Even after the legalization of Christianity, the Eastern churches did not use Latin in their worship. This is a western cultural thing. Today the Church allows the liturgy in the vernacular.
@sjacobslordjude I've never understood this. The ancient Israelites spoke Hebrew, and at the time of Christ they were speaking Greek and Aramaic. Why is Latin so special? It has no connection with Scripture or God's people in history.
@discolando I answer you: "French is the language of our Christian enemy and you have to learn, Latin and Greek were the languagesof God and He speaks to us in this language through His Holy Church. With the Turkish just talk to them with the sword and that language is what you're learning now". Don Luís de Quijada to Jeromín.
Just witnessed a family of crows flying silently above me on their way to rest for the night after another days foraging for their living in a hostile world....as beautiful as this chant and as significant to the wellbeing of my soul....
@NovaGub I was baptized as a Catholic but all my life I lived like as an Orthodox Christian. I have learned the Latin language in school, because in my birth country is is compulsory to learn it, but I don't think that speaking Latin in church is that big of a deal, because it's not! God only cares about you loving Him and respecting the Bible. that's all He cares about.
I don't think you got my point. I agree we should preserve Greek and Hebrew and Churchslavonic as well. What I am trying to say is that we must preserve holy tradition of the Chruch, both the Faith of our Fathers and the customs of the Church.
Tradition also includes chants like this one and also all kinds of books and manuscripts, holy literature, theology, churches, monasteries and saints. We must keep all this for future generations of Christians.
@NovaGub BEING "OBEDIENT" TO CHRIST ONLY IS THE ONLY OBEDIENCE DEMANDED BETWEEN EARTH AND SKY, IT IS CHRIST IN YOU ALONE THAT MAKES YOU AND THE ETERNAL ONE, THE ONLY NAME OF GOD AND FOR THE DIVINE PRESENCE IS "I AM", IS "YHWH", I AM, I AM THE SON OF GOD, JESUS / YESHUA IS MY BROTHER...!!! "WHERE TWO OR THREE OF YOU ARE GATHERED TOGETHER IN MY NAME, THERE > I AM < IN THE MIDST OF YOU...!!! THE CHURCH IS NOT A INSTITUTION , MY GOD IS A SPIRIT AND HE LEADS BY AND THROUGH THE SPIRIT ONLY PERIOD...!
Indeed, I agree, but what else is Church if not the body of Christ. Therefore, as Paul, then Saul was persecuting the Church, Christ told him "Saul, Saul, why doest thou persecute me?"[Acts 9:4]. And also in just the same manner Jesus said to his disciples:"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me"[John 13:20].
@sjacobslordjude Do you think that God really cares about the language you speak in church? Does it say in the Bible that not speaking Latin is an insult unto God? Haha Your comment made me laugh.
It writes in the Bible:"Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you." (Exodus 20:12). That means we have to honor the tradition passed unto us by our Holy Mother Chruch, not to throw it away to pigs. That includes the language of our Holy Mother Chruch.
@NovaGub It also includes Hebrew and Greek, because the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek, not in Latin, so why don't you speak those languages? There is no point in proving that God only accepts one language in church because He does not care after all about the language you speak, because God created all the languages of the world. Do you remember this from the Bible? And that passage from the Bible is irrelevant for this subject.
the council of apostasy, vatican 2, convoked invalidly by the antipope John XXIII, brought about invalidating changes to the Mass - particularly the words of the consecration of the wine. Also they caused it to be said in vernacular tongues - something never done in the history of the church. Even in the early Roman church they would use a special tongue - Greek. Using a special or sacred tongue for God befits His majesty. You don't address Him as a commoner, or as you address men.
@sharbel23 Men need signs of respect. If you respect God, God knows! Pray in what language you want, be that Latin or Greek or English or Swahili or Nahuatl, God will treat different languages equally.
tradition and the history of the church say differently, as latin has always been the language of the western church.
As I said, adressing God in a sacred, uncommon language in the context of public worship and praise befits His infinite majesty - God is not a common man - we use Latin, say things like 'thou', build cathedrals in His honour, wear our Sunday best to sunday mass etc. Using english or some vernacular tongue is like offering a King toast when he visits your house.
Deus meus adiuva me Tabhair dom do shearch,a Mhic ghil Dé Tabhair dom do shearch,a Mhic ghil Dé Deus meus adiuva me. Domine da quod peto a te, Tabhair dom go dian a ghrian ghlan ghlé, Tabhair dom go dian a ghrian ghlan ghlé, Domine da quod peto a te. Domine, Domine, exaudi me, M’anam bheith lán de d’ghrá, a Dhé, M’anam bheith lán de d’ghrá, a Dhé, Domine, Domine exaudi me.
It is not a fact that people with highest IQ are athiestic or agnostic, it is the opposite (but I sense truth or fact is not something that a brainwashed atheist who comes onto a page to insult is really concerned with). Your spurious argument wasn't even original in the soviet union and the fact that sort of socialism(national or otherwise) is on the resurgence is no surprise to me. But it does offend. The bigotry and generalisation in your post confirm my initial reaction.
@Jony118118 Ha!! Not hijacked, language of the church and its people, only preserved by the church as it kept latin even as it fell out of use. Typical modern geek, concerned about what offends u, narcissist/egotist, you offend me!
@cristianonavas No, the scholars that the church had burned at the stake were trying to save the language, scientists today still use it to name new species that they discover. And it is every human's right to be concerned about what is offensive to them, that is why all the intelligent people are concerned about religion. And no, that's not an idle jab it's a fact, the people with the highest I.Q's are almost all Atheist, or atleast Agnostic.
Scholars were'nt burned at stake for trying to preserve language? Universities set up by church are how west advanced technologically over every1 else, lots of modern Christian scientists are seen as amongst the best, just because you state intelligent people are not religious does not make it true, no1 said people cant be offended (but childish extremes become dangerous, also I think you need to look at the hr convention to fully understand what is covered under its charter?
for those who think latin should be enforced you dont know your historie when the bible started in england and whent to america it was in latin until three brave men translated into english and they were put to death by fire. if we put latin back and all the priest learned latin and did there preaches in latin then it will happen all over again if they choose to abuse this power.
@miguel83397 Isn't that a bit of a stretch? What Latin gave the Church was a universal toungue. One could go to a Catholic Church in Tokyo or Mumbai or Rio, or Topeka and hear the same general mass in all of those cities. Of course, that would also mean that a large percentage of the audience would only have a vague understanding of what was being said at any one point. So the conflict between universality and comprehension has been settled in favor (mostly) of comprehension.
@wolfsrain91 : Try chantcd.com for some samples of their work and if you want to buy any I'm sure you could just purchase them. Try doing some amazon work too? This chant is beautiful. Reading the Latin version of Psalm 22 is chilling and emotional. Praise be to God for His offering that day.
OMG, this is truly the work of Angels performed by human voices...as I listen to this chant I feel so much peace and tears of joy and extasis! It's almost like being there in the presence of Our Lord at the moment of HIs Passion... :)
Latin is the Western Churches identity. Chant lifts my mind and soul to heaven. I am glad my mother drug us kids all over Southern California when the changes came to the Mass back in the 60's
Latin is the Western Churches identity. Chant lifts my mind and soul to heaven. I am glad my mother drug us kids all over Southern California when the changes came to the Mass back in the 60's
Domine, ne longe facias auxilium tuum a me, ad defensionem meam aspice : libera me de ore leonis, et a cornibus unicornium humilitatem meam (Ps 21, 20. 22). Deus, Deus meus, respice in me : quare me dereliquisti? Longe a salute mea verba delictorum meorum (Ps 21, 2).
i wish it was louder :(
jakelongg14 1 week ago
Is meus Latin for mayonnaise?
CahillProductionsred 2 weeks ago
I am not religious at all. But some of the music that comes out of it is very well put together and pleasant to the ears.
ItzMeCasey 3 weeks ago
cont. jesus nephalim rather than human. in christian love.
viago2 1 month ago
@viago2
Ok, I didn't realise that you were not even Christian. Don't deceive yourself that you are Christian. Jesus is God and now reigns in heaven with all His angels and saints. His mother is of course in heaven with Him, as are all faithful disciples of Christ. "sons of God" in genesis refers to angels, who bore giants to human women. It is a different meaning to THE Son of God, Jesus. Jesus made His apostles priests and gave them power to forgive sin.
sharbel23 1 month ago
@sharbel23 HERE WE GO, THE STONE THROWING BEGINS. it always does when someone is loosing their grip on an argument. there may be angels in heaven with god and jesus. there is no biblical evidence that i am aware of that anyone else is there. paul makes it clear on his death bed -fight the good fight etc. that "of course" for mary being in heaven is from where? cos u was told as a kid? jesuus was a rabbi, if he made his disciples anything it would have been rabbis.
viago2 1 month ago
@viago2 jesus did ask them to spread his gospel and for john to keep an eye out for mary etc. but to say he gave them the power to forgive sin is beyond the pale, it is outright heracy. all of the apostles are crystal clear that only god has the power to forgive sin. they also are concerned about the dangers of false teachers taking control of the church.(please note, they are talking to you). there are no special powers or knowledge handed down to anyone, just the knowledge of ....
viago2 1 month ago
@viago2
Quaeso te, o alios despicientissime, ut desinas Deum Ecclesiamque blasphemare; Quidquam agere potes, neque debes Dei promissionibus rebusque uere gestis confidere; sin non recta parte iudicandi uenturum esse uideberis, noli autem lacrimare hoc fuisse iniustum. Iesus apostolos in orbem terrarum misit qui in sacritissimae Trinitatis nomine baptizarentur et euangelium gentibus praeciperetur.
Crucigerius 4 weeks ago
@Crucigerius the gravitas of an arguement is, in no way, enhanced by the inapropriate use of a dead language. however, it is apropriate that a dead church should rely upon a dead language to justifyits existance. th the torch of truth has been shone brightly into your face and as that brightness hurts your eyes you have the choice to embracee light of etermal life or to turn your face to the comfort of tradition.
viago2 3 weeks ago
@Crucigerius quod gravitas alicuius argumentum nihil addidit inapropriate ab usu lingua mortua. autem est simile, & simile est quod Ecclesia a mortuis lingua mortua inniti justifyits esse. th facem splendide lucet in vultu est veritatis splendor et vulneret oculos tuos ut tibi optionem embracee etermal lumen vultus tui, ad solatium vitae verto elit.
viago2 3 weeks ago
@sharbel23 the teachings of jesus.
right then pal, BLASPHEMY. you have no understanding of any of the bible whatsoever if you think that suggesting it is possible that mary was arranging her son jesus' wedding at cana is disrespectful to god. marriage is a holy sacrament which is a commandment of god himself. it is grossly unlikely that jesus would have disobeyed gods commandments. if he had then, matey , he would not have been without sin and would have remained in hell. also my deluded ...
viago2 1 month ago
@sharbel23 ....friend there is another commandment, go forth and multiply, you heard of that? well the same applies. i am not saying that these are the facts just that it is reasonable that they are. for catholic priests to be unmarried is an offence unto god. and the evil that has come from it is manifesting itself as we speak.
turn your back on the dark side while you still can for you will be judged according to the light you have received.
viago2 1 month ago
@viago2 go forth and multiply isnt a commandment
TWOOD544 2 weeks ago
@TWOOD544 its not a bloody request!
viago2 2 weeks ago
@viago2
You can see the apostles ordaining other priests in the N.T. scriptures, with their power as bishops. It is historical fact that the various apostles had episcopal chairs - ie the chairs of bishops in different locations, such as Rome and Jerusalem. These seats were filled after their deaths by new bishops, and so on down the ages. Your comment about Jesus getting married is blasphemy and shows you aren't Christian. I suggest you learn the faith.
sharbel23 1 month ago
cont. "no scripture is of private interpretation". that means it is clear and available to all and no man can claim to know the real meaning over any other man. i guess you can not see that as being crystal clear either. one final point for you to deny (probably using the old and feeble poor translation from the original aramaic ruse) is that jesus was not the only son of god for there were others who seemed to have a penchant for human women. (see genesis 6 v2). im guessing that would ...
viago2 1 month ago
cont. mary magdalen anyhow. i fail to see any relevance in that.
why do you deny what conflicts you skewed belief and play selectively with the bible? you know jesus said that of his mother yet you deny it. you know jesus said that whosoever believeth on him shall have everlasting life. that means anyone and not those who go through a manmade priest, vicar, pastor or pope. comrehendest thou?
free yourself from your dependance on the church. you said it yourself, ........
viago2 1 month ago
omg. you are in deeper than i thought. what is this nonsense you talk. mate, the bishops are not the apostles. are you nuts? you guys pray to mary to answer your prayers like she is in heaven. sorry to be the one to tell you but mary is buried in ephes in turkey. that crap about the assumption was invented in the middle ages. there is one book, thats it and if it aint there it dont count. get it?
if you are talking about the wine thing at cana that was probably his own wedding to ..........
viago2 1 month ago
something about this music allows me to reach a part of my mind i would have otherwise left, untouched.
BManStan1991 1 month ago
@sharbel23 Just curious if you mean small c or big C Catholicism when you say all religions but Catholicism are of the devil. There are many reputable, conservative, theologically sound churches that don't necessarily consider themselves Catholic. We may differ on some minor points (meaning they are not faith changing, like denying Christ's divinity would be), but our faith is just as true as yours.
KingWilliamI 1 month ago
BeeEeeAaaAaaUuuUuuUuutIiiIiifUuuUuuUuul music :)
Max0Inq 2 months ago 11
how can you recognize this as typical gregorian chanting? does anybody have a clue?
1xangelsx5 2 months ago
♫ Ah-ah-Ah-ah-Ah-ah-Ah-ah-Ah-ah-Ah-All-Righ-tee-then! ♫
Beautiful chant, thank you for sharing... :D
MrTheoriginalderek 2 months ago
if latin is a problem, then learn it
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bbbb4299 2 months ago
this is amazingly relaxing
shimokita2 2 months ago
DEU-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-US!
catherinesteph 3 months ago
Re the exchange between AbidingGood and Hamzafan 1 mo ago: I left my screen "up" where I was lecturing, someone else here chimed in, the comments were not mine. However, I agree w the poster that Christianity originated within the Roman Empire, but that does NOT mean Latin was the original liturgical language. "In fact", Jesus' followers used Aramaic and Hebrew more than Greek (if any of them used Greek). This chant is beautiful, so is Aramaic and I surrender to God-inspired beauty. - Daniel PDX
hamzafan 3 months ago
@sjacobslordjude I think though it would be good if the Church reintroduced Latin but also The Greek Language Present at the time of the Apostles as well.
godfather89 3 months ago
@godfather89 the problem of using latin as the common church language, also during the mass, is that only the priest understands what's been said, as 99,9percent of the population does not speak latin
speedcoregewalt 2 months ago
@speedcoregewalt
this idea is shameful - that learning a language for God is too much? I recently went on a pilgrimage for Christ the King. Almost everyone - about 350 people - knows the Latin of the mass and innumerable Latin hyms, chants and prayers. Jews learn a sacred tongue for their false religion, so do Indians and other cultures too. Shall we not spend a few measly hours learning a language for the true and infinitely holy God of heaven? Novus ordo mentality is selfish, lazy, ungrateful
sharbel23 2 months ago
@sharbel23 Your ideas regarding other peoples religion are shameful. good for you that your a zealot. Good thing church Latin is always so grammatically accurate.
speedcoregewalt 2 months ago
@speedcoregewalt
Sir, this idea does not come from me - it says in the psalms: "the gods of the nations are demons, but the Lord made the heavens."
All religions except Catholicism are of the devil, for example, when a devil disguised as the archangel Gabriel appeared to mohammed to reveal a new religion, denying Christ, the angel always faced away and never showed his face, saying that mohammed couldn't look on the glory. In the N.T. angels showed their faces. It was not Gabriel, but a demon.
sharbel23 2 months ago
@sharbel23 - You mean Catholicism before it became united with Rome or after?
jessethenazarite 1 month ago
@jessethenazarite
The name for true Christianity "Catholic" is first recorded as used at the end of the 1st century. The Arian heresy started to afflict the Church early on, ie. the denial of Christ's Divinity. Calling true Christianity "Catholic" had as one of its purposes the identifying of true Christianity from corrupted Christianity, such as that taught by the Arians and other heretics and corruptors of the gospel. Catholicism never became united to Rome. (cont)
sharbel23 1 month ago
@jessethenazarite
(cont)
It simply took root there as it did in many other cities, with the difference that Rome was the center of pagan Roman empire, which was undone by Christianity, and converted into the holy Roman empire, but it did not function as a worldly empire trying to conquer and make war - it served as a an effective means of spreading the gospel to many places. Peter and Paul both went to Rome, and historically, Peter's episcopal seat was in Rome, hence the Papacy being in Rome.
sharbel23 1 month ago
@sharbel23
Now, now, I'm a Catholic, but going to say that other religions are of the devils is taking it too far. All religions are but different yet similar paths leading to the same destinations of redemption, salvation, and peace.
Atreides22222 1 month ago
@sharbel23 the bible, should you choose to read it, is clear about the worshipping of false idols and the consequences of doing so. jesus makes it absolutely crystal clear that mary has no special place as his mother and that anyone who follows him is more worthy of gods grace than his earth (? biological) mother. any person who prays to mary, therefore, is guilty of worshipping a false idol. it is mary magdalene who jesus first appeared to. he never even bothered with his mother. the truth.
viago2 1 month ago
@viago2
Your comments are very far from the truth. St John says that it would take all the books in the world to fill all that Jesus said and did. What the bible says Jesus said and did after His resurrection is only a fraction of what He said and did - and the bible itself says that this is the case - that only a fraction is recorded, so that's the last part of your comment out the window. You say that Jesus makes it absolutely crystal clear, and then you make a false statement, (cont)
sharbel23 1 month ago
@viago2
(cont) that Mary has no special place as His mother. This statement is undone by Christs words to His apostles that to them is given the secrets of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables so that hearing they do not understand. This also brings down the false foundations of protestantism, that anyone can read and understand the bible. The bible says that no scripture is of private interpretation. It is only the apostles (bishops) who can interpret it. (cont)
sharbel23 1 month ago
@viago2
Not that anyone can't receive inspiration, but the proper and Divinely approved meanings come from the authority of the Church. So your statement rests on you understanding correctly those words of Our Lord, but Our Lord didn't give this charism to you, but to the Apostles - bishops - church authority. Idol worship is offering to something less than God, the adoration due only to God. We offer to Mary veneration, and a special one. We venerate our parents too but in a different
sharbel23 1 month ago
@viago2
way. We offer veneration of different types to things and people. There are incidences of this in the bible, such as when it says so and so 'worshipped' at the feet of so and so, which happens multiple times in the O.T. ADORATION, however is given only to God and Catholic have never adored Mary.
At Cana, Christ worked a miracle before His 'hour', before His public life had commenced, which it did only after His baptism in the Jordan. He did this at His Mothers intercession.
sharbel23 1 month ago
@sharbel23 see below
viago2 1 month ago
I seriously doubt God cares what language you praise him in. How arrogant of you.
robnting 4 months ago
@robnting; Isn't that like saying "I seriously doubt God cares in what kind of clothes you show up to church in"?
PadraikKasier 4 months ago
@PadraikKasier To be quite frank, I don't think God cares what clothing you attend the mass in or what language you use to praise His name. I just think that, if He is real, he would want us to be doing more than arguing on YouTube. Not that I'm saying you are, but I am saying that I don't really think it matters to Him unless we are making something meaningful and good out of the lives He gave us.
JuliaWasHere 3 months ago
@JuliaWasHere; It's not so much that it matters to him that it shows how much the person values how he/she shows praise to Him. If you hypothetically show up with no pants, a ketchup-stained Hawaiian shirt, and a strong stench of whiskey to mass, I would reprimand you: God's not being a fashion judge here; He is going to be concerned that you don't value his one-hour worship time enough to take proper care of yourself and not distract your fellow parishioners from prayer. Those are my two bits.
PadraikKasier 3 months ago
@PadraikKasier I am just curious, and I am not trying to start anything (I am only asking this because I can tell you are an educated individual), do you believe God wants to be worshiped? The way I look at it is that God is a modest Entity. As humans, we should show reverence to Him, and respect Him, but should we worship him? Would He want that?
JuliaWasHere 3 months ago
@JuliaWasHere; Of course. "Worship" may carry in your mind negative, perhaps selfish connotations, but God truly wants us to love him and be part of him. Worship is an integral part of that. A certain amount of time must be spent praising God at least, or else how can one say that they know, respect, and love him?
Also, it does rather say to worship God outright in the Bible, several times. It's hard to get around that when it's quite explicit.
PadraikKasier 3 months ago
@PadraikKasier well in a logical sense yes: its both true, and in both cases god probably wont give a crap. just the people in congregation judging you.
speedcoregewalt 2 months ago
@speedcoregewalt; A little. One is as one does.
PadraikKasier 2 months ago
@robnting
It's not arrogance - it is a mark of the esteem and reverence we have for God that everything associated to His worship is uncommon. From our clothes, to the house we worship in (churches), to the language we use, all is special, sacred, uncommon, and in particular, consecrated to God. Consecrated to Him means we don't use it for any common purpose or for anything else except His worship. In the psalms God says: "I give my glory to no other."
What we do goes right back to the O.T.
sharbel23 2 months ago
Ich verstehe
zlinn71 4 months ago
@opium25 So now you're forcing your belief on people who have "little interest." Congrats, you're a hypocrite like the rest of us. I suggest you climb down from your ivory tower.
punxkid10000 5 months ago
Find somebody in the streets and pay them ten dollars to read the bible for you. Play this chant in the background. Latin is the language of the sacred of the spirit of God within us.
MultiJosefus 5 months ago
@MultiJosefus or of docters cutting you up
speedcoregewalt 2 months ago
This is extraordinarily beautiful chant. However, Christianity is a middle-eastern religion, and Latin became the dominant language of the church when the Roman empire took it over. Returning to Latin is NOT returning to the "original" liturgy! If you like this, you might really also enjoy Aramaic chanting! Blessings,
hamzafan 5 months ago
@hamzafan You have a false view of both Christianity's origins and its relation to the Roman Empire. St Peter and St Paul both brought the Gospel to Rome; the Church has been both Eastern and Western since the time of the Apostles. Second, Latin has always been the language of the Roman Church, but has never been the language of the Eastern Church; in fact, Greek has always been the dominant language. Third, the Roman Empire never "took over" the Church.
AbidingDood 4 months ago
Latin is to Catholicism what Arabic is to Islam.
MrSuperfly1994 6 months ago
u dont have a bloody clue man. Its not the same
Samu441 5 months ago
@MrSuperfly1994 dont u mean aramaic?
uch 5 months ago in playlist monastery unit study
Hearing this in a cathedral of Europe would be amazing.
redwaller66 6 months ago 24
@redwaller66
yeah in vienna we have great chruches where you can listen every sunday to such chants.
Google "St. Stephens Cathedral vienna" and "votiv church vienna" theese are in my own opinion the most beautiful and original chruches i have ever been to.
ZyklonCable 3 months ago
@redwaller66 :) I would love to hear in every church! :)
MegaKrishan123 3 months ago
@redwaller66
In empty, useless cathedral out of people... with tears
Szymono101 2 months ago
Latin is the language of the *roman* catholic church.
In my view the most important is to respect the liturgy (which comes with its part of the Tradition). I don't expect druzes or maronites to sing a mass in latin but to do it as "truthfully" as they can. In the same way, do you know how it feels to enter a small countryside church in a foreign country (say, ex-Yougoslavia) and the priest switches to latin so you can follow the mass? Then you know you're part of a big family.
jeanlemoine78 7 months ago 2
Latin is the language of the Catholic Church. Although The Church did NOT invent Latin (and I dont think anyone here is saying that) it safeguarded it from the fall of the roman empire until modern times, created thousands of new words and phrases and whole new styles of latin through its liturgy, hymns, chants, books and so on. It is because of this rich heritage in Latin that the Churches language itself has become Latin so that the Church has one language and one voice not many.
levi199120 7 months ago
@sjacobslordjude Christ did not speak Latin.
agentjs09 7 months ago
@sjacobslordjude Non irascitur deus, sed Latina ipsa atque Romanorum immortalium legatum.
GodmyX 7 months ago
@sjacobslordjude that is very stupid. why would god care what language they use? you apparently dont know where Latin originated from so dont be giving credit to the church. it originated in ancient Rome WAAAAY before the time of christ. and last i checked ancient romans had many gods. dont talk about what you dont know.
SilverPhoenix384 7 months ago
@SilverPhoenix384 Latin is the language of the Catholic Church.
bokeronbreakz 7 months ago
@bokeronbreakz it originated from ancient Rome before the Church was even established. i know the church still uses it, however the language is NOT of the church. please look at history before giving credit to those who do not deserve it.
SilverPhoenix384 7 months ago
@SilverPhoenix384 Yes. was originated from ancient Rome... and?. The language of the Catholic Church from the beginning was the Latin
bokeronbreakz 7 months ago
@bokeronbreakz my point was, dont go giving credit to them for the language. and my original question still stands.....why the hell would god care what language the church uses?
SilverPhoenix384 7 months ago
@bokeronbreakz The Catholic Church originated from Christ and his apostles in Jerusalem, so... the first languages of the Catholic Church were hebrew, greek, and aramaic. The Catholic Church didn't start in Rome, the Roman Church took its place as the head of Churches because of St. Peter. Even after the legalization of Christianity, the Eastern churches did not use Latin in their worship. This is a western cultural thing. Today the Church allows the liturgy in the vernacular.
agentjs09 7 months ago
@SilverPhoenix384 Amen.
agentjs09 7 months ago
@sjacobslordjude I've never understood this. The ancient Israelites spoke Hebrew, and at the time of Christ they were speaking Greek and Aramaic. Why is Latin so special? It has no connection with Scripture or God's people in history.
discolando 7 months ago
@discolando I answer you: "French is the language of our Christian enemy and you have to learn, Latin and Greek were the languagesof God and He speaks to us in this language through His Holy Church. With the Turkish just talk to them with the sword and that language is what you're learning now". Don Luís de Quijada to Jeromín.
bokeronbreakz 7 months ago
Just witnessed a family of crows flying silently above me on their way to rest for the night after another days foraging for their living in a hostile world....as beautiful as this chant and as significant to the wellbeing of my soul....
biddybuzz 7 months ago
@sjacobslordjude I completely agree
8SparrowBird8 8 months ago
Nevertheless I agree most important is obedience to Church, even as the Church may change some practices.
NovaGub 8 months ago
@NovaGub I was baptized as a Catholic but all my life I lived like as an Orthodox Christian. I have learned the Latin language in school, because in my birth country is is compulsory to learn it, but I don't think that speaking Latin in church is that big of a deal, because it's not! God only cares about you loving Him and respecting the Bible. that's all He cares about.
AndyMKordo 8 months ago
@AndyMKordo
I don't think you got my point. I agree we should preserve Greek and Hebrew and Churchslavonic as well. What I am trying to say is that we must preserve holy tradition of the Chruch, both the Faith of our Fathers and the customs of the Church.
NovaGub 8 months ago
@AndyMKordo
Tradition also includes chants like this one and also all kinds of books and manuscripts, holy literature, theology, churches, monasteries and saints. We must keep all this for future generations of Christians.
NovaGub 8 months ago
@NovaGub BEING "OBEDIENT" TO CHRIST ONLY IS THE ONLY OBEDIENCE DEMANDED BETWEEN EARTH AND SKY, IT IS CHRIST IN YOU ALONE THAT MAKES YOU AND THE ETERNAL ONE, THE ONLY NAME OF GOD AND FOR THE DIVINE PRESENCE IS "I AM", IS "YHWH", I AM, I AM THE SON OF GOD, JESUS / YESHUA IS MY BROTHER...!!! "WHERE TWO OR THREE OF YOU ARE GATHERED TOGETHER IN MY NAME, THERE > I AM < IN THE MIDST OF YOU...!!! THE CHURCH IS NOT A INSTITUTION , MY GOD IS A SPIRIT AND HE LEADS BY AND THROUGH THE SPIRIT ONLY PERIOD...!
mjconnollyIII 8 months ago
@mjconnollyIII Christ hates CAPS LOCK!
haywardmatt 8 months ago
@mjconnollyIII
Indeed, I agree, but what else is Church if not the body of Christ. Therefore, as Paul, then Saul was persecuting the Church, Christ told him "Saul, Saul, why doest thou persecute me?"[Acts 9:4]. And also in just the same manner Jesus said to his disciples:"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me"[John 13:20].
NovaGub 8 months ago
God is perfect. Imagine the singing of his blessed angels.
SunnyLovetts 8 months ago
@sjacobslordjude Do you think that God really cares about the language you speak in church? Does it say in the Bible that not speaking Latin is an insult unto God? Haha Your comment made me laugh.
AndyMKordo 8 months ago 6
@AndyMKordo
It writes in the Bible:"Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you." (Exodus 20:12). That means we have to honor the tradition passed unto us by our Holy Mother Chruch, not to throw it away to pigs. That includes the language of our Holy Mother Chruch.
NovaGub 8 months ago
@NovaGub It also includes Hebrew and Greek, because the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek, not in Latin, so why don't you speak those languages? There is no point in proving that God only accepts one language in church because He does not care after all about the language you speak, because God created all the languages of the world. Do you remember this from the Bible? And that passage from the Bible is irrelevant for this subject.
AndyMKordo 8 months ago
@AndyMKordo
the council of apostasy, vatican 2, convoked invalidly by the antipope John XXIII, brought about invalidating changes to the Mass - particularly the words of the consecration of the wine. Also they caused it to be said in vernacular tongues - something never done in the history of the church. Even in the early Roman church they would use a special tongue - Greek. Using a special or sacred tongue for God befits His majesty. You don't address Him as a commoner, or as you address men.
sharbel23 2 months ago
@sharbel23 Men need signs of respect. If you respect God, God knows! Pray in what language you want, be that Latin or Greek or English or Swahili or Nahuatl, God will treat different languages equally.
Spudus 2 months ago
@Spudus
tradition and the history of the church say differently, as latin has always been the language of the western church.
As I said, adressing God in a sacred, uncommon language in the context of public worship and praise befits His infinite majesty - God is not a common man - we use Latin, say things like 'thou', build cathedrals in His honour, wear our Sunday best to sunday mass etc. Using english or some vernacular tongue is like offering a King toast when he visits your house.
sharbel23 2 months ago
@sharbel23 thats why god always used to be written without the capital g. you just like to grubble in the dirt.
speedcoregewalt 2 months ago
nuostabu
jondam55 9 months ago
koledy123 10 months ago 2
@koledy123, I hope the Lord answers your prayer. God bless.
cooliodraw2 10 months ago 2
@koledy123 ...the mother tongue lives! go raibh maith agat.
michael440151 9 months ago
@michael440151
Thank you. May God bless you always.
koledy123 9 months ago
@koledy123 ...the mother tongue lives! go raibh maith agat.
michael440151 9 months ago
@koledy123
the mother tongue lives!! go raibh maith agat!
michael440151 9 months ago
@sjacobslordjude "To forget Latin within the Catholic Church is an insult unto God" Why is that?
mewatchvideo1234 10 months ago
It is not a fact that people with highest IQ are athiestic or agnostic, it is the opposite (but I sense truth or fact is not something that a brainwashed atheist who comes onto a page to insult is really concerned with). Your spurious argument wasn't even original in the soviet union and the fact that sort of socialism(national or otherwise) is on the resurgence is no surprise to me. But it does offend. The bigotry and generalisation in your post confirm my initial reaction.
cristianonavas 10 months ago
The sound cuts off abruptly about thirty seconds before the end.
adruvail 10 months ago
i loveyou jesus
NYCmichael77 11 months ago
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I find it offensive that the Latin language has been hijacked by the Christian Chrurch.
Jony118118 1 year ago
@Jony118118 Ha!! Not hijacked, language of the church and its people, only preserved by the church as it kept latin even as it fell out of use. Typical modern geek, concerned about what offends u, narcissist/egotist, you offend me!
cristianonavas 11 months ago
@cristianonavas No, the scholars that the church had burned at the stake were trying to save the language, scientists today still use it to name new species that they discover. And it is every human's right to be concerned about what is offensive to them, that is why all the intelligent people are concerned about religion. And no, that's not an idle jab it's a fact, the people with the highest I.Q's are almost all Atheist, or atleast Agnostic.
Jony118118 10 months ago
Scholars were'nt burned at stake for trying to preserve language? Universities set up by church are how west advanced technologically over every1 else, lots of modern Christian scientists are seen as amongst the best, just because you state intelligent people are not religious does not make it true, no1 said people cant be offended (but childish extremes become dangerous, also I think you need to look at the hr convention to fully understand what is covered under its charter?
cristianonavas 10 months ago
I want a boyfriend who can sing like this :D It's just so beautiful
sailorwinxgirl 1 year ago 3
@sailorwinxgirl Then, drop me a message: I'm your man (I actually sing with these guys) ;-)
jeanlemoine78 7 months ago
@sjacobslordjude AMEN
CatholicTemplar 1 year ago
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malakh400 1 year ago
for those who think latin should be enforced you dont know your historie when the bible started in england and whent to america it was in latin until three brave men translated into english and they were put to death by fire. if we put latin back and all the priest learned latin and did there preaches in latin then it will happen all over again if they choose to abuse this power.
miguel83397 1 year ago
@miguel83397 Isn't that a bit of a stretch? What Latin gave the Church was a universal toungue. One could go to a Catholic Church in Tokyo or Mumbai or Rio, or Topeka and hear the same general mass in all of those cities. Of course, that would also mean that a large percentage of the audience would only have a vague understanding of what was being said at any one point. So the conflict between universality and comprehension has been settled in favor (mostly) of comprehension.
bjdon99 11 months ago
If all that man creats were like this we woulden't need heaven
any more
TheFur1a 1 year ago 2
hey iv been looking for this medieval style of gregorian chants and i cant find any can you tell me where i can get a CD of some?
wolfsrain91 1 year ago
@wolfsrain91 : Try chantcd.com for some samples of their work and if you want to buy any I'm sure you could just purchase them. Try doing some amazon work too? This chant is beautiful. Reading the Latin version of Psalm 22 is chilling and emotional. Praise be to God for His offering that day.
cooliodraw2 1 year ago
@wolfsrain91 anything performed by Ensemble Organum... they probably have their CDs on Amazon...
bezmolvie 1 year ago
OMG, this is truly the work of Angels performed by human voices...as I listen to this chant I feel so much peace and tears of joy and extasis! It's almost like being there in the presence of Our Lord at the moment of HIs Passion... :)
Tamtumergo 1 year ago
i listen to satanic black metal and brutal death metal and this shit is still, the shit haha especially when i am super high!
NECROPHOBICMASSACRE 1 year ago
the images and music is stunning....its like being in heaven!
SummaTheologica 1 year ago
DEUS meu, Deus meu, por que me desamparaste? Por que te alongas do meu auxílio e das palavras do meu bramido?
Não te alongues de mim, pois a angústia está perto, e não há quem ajude.
Como água me derramei, e todos os meus ossos se desconjuntaram; o meu coração é como cera, derreteu-se no meio das minhas entranhas.
guenorene 1 year ago
This is from Psalms 21/22.
Osteomorphis 1 year ago
Latin is the Western Churches identity. Chant lifts my mind and soul to heaven. I am glad my mother drug us kids all over Southern California when the changes came to the Mass back in the 60's
stvaldr 1 year ago 23
@stvaldr Christ was not a westerner.
agentjs09 7 months ago
Latin is the Western Churches identity. Chant lifts my mind and soul to heaven. I am glad my mother drug us kids all over Southern California when the changes came to the Mass back in the 60's
stvaldr 1 year ago 3
Nice.
Perktube1 2 years ago
INTROITUS FROM PALM SUNDAY:
Domine, ne longe facias auxilium tuum a me, ad defensionem meam aspice : libera me de ore leonis, et a cornibus unicornium humilitatem meam (Ps 21, 20. 22). Deus, Deus meus, respice in me : quare me dereliquisti? Longe a salute mea verba delictorum meorum (Ps 21, 2).
Flauius 2 years ago 2
miserere nobis Deus quia peccavimus magniter Tibi
Flauius 2 years ago
miserere, nunc et semper et in secula seculorum. Amen
Gabrijelguber 2 years ago 4