KRISHNAMURTI : Dialogue on Death - Part 7.

[dineshuthaman]

K is talking about stillness of the mind.. as simple as tat

[damnfunny2001]

I loved the part when K said, To me .....FREEDOM IS FREEDOM FROM THE KNOWN.

[lonelydinosaur]

Subtle but still an intellectual discourse.. wish he graduated to how to experience it first hand..

[MyRavand]

THANKS.

[myke7777]

I love how he doesn't let anything just go by.  He stops it if it's not the message he's putting out. It must be hard to try to explain what the color green looks like to blind men.

[Geeeeoheffeff]

@seastarwatcher do you recommend any of his books? If so, which one's in particular?

[seastarwatcher]

@Geeeeoheffeff -

Hi, I personally would recommend 3 books = "The Only Revolution" (First Book I read when I discovered him), "Freedom from the Known." & "The Awakening Of Intelligence."

[Geeeeoheffeff]

@seastarwatcher Thanks! Have you ever read his notebook? Apparently it's quite good but I couldn't tell you personally :)

[seastarwatcher]

@Geeeeoheffeff -

Yes, The Notebook, I have read it (a long time ago), it is a diary/note of his observations in consciousness. Another recommended book! Thanks!

[theseanze]

...still, if you don't value names or statements of truth, why be aversive of the essential concepts behind the names?

[OpenMind00]

Krishnamurti's non-verbal intuitive non physical matter reality vision was/still is ahead of his time.

He is asking them, are we speaking verbally? Can you see it?

[VivianLMFT]

Death is a subject that cannot be answered. He who answers about death does not know with certainty what he is talking about, unless he found a way to die and return to talk about it.

[rotagen5]

It's equally foolish to completely ignore another's philosophy concerning escape from suffering ; as it is to blindly accept a set of teachings. Especially when considering buddhist philosophy. For chrissakes, Christianity doesn't even address the fact that desire is the root of the problem.

[BDenman1]

Jesus said, "Do not fret, from morning to evening and from evening to morning, [about your food--what you're going to eat, or about your clothing--] what you are going to wear. [You're much better than the lilies, which neither card nor spin.

As for you, when you have no garment, what will you put on? Who might add to your stature? That very one will give you your garment.]"

[BDenman1]

His disciples said, "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?"

Jesus said, "When you strip without being ashamed, and you take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample then, then [you] will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid."

[BDenman1]

His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"

"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it."

[BDenman1]

The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

[behemoth2299]

Krishnaji is just suggesting the same thing over and over: "Be yourself, try not to be part of the stream, be original while being considerate of the stream which consists of fear, anxiety, etc"

We see too much of the bad things from that stream, our quest for power, our fear, everything that is deformed by the mind, and the collective is conditioned by these.

What needs to be changed first is the individual, then only the collective will change, so we need pure love

[VivianLMFT]

I am not sure he is correct. He can't say that "we see too much of the bad things from that stream, " That is true about him. He only mentions suffering over and over again. I keep remembering the one thing he said that makes sense, "doubt everything" including his words.

[MrSkinless]

i think when he points out sorrow if you have read more or seen more of his discussions you will know that separation breeds conflict; which is a product of fear, anxiety etc etc. So one in happiness or one in sorrow are the same, if you perceive it so; if you esquire without emotion or attachment and only utmost compassion and seriousness etc you will find the truth is there is no truth: he is sad, he is happy, they are one in the same

[VivianLMFT]

Thank you. I have read more and I understand now.

[MrSkinless]

essentially but one living in happiness is only so cus one is in sadness.

[blitzkrieg19031]

I noticed everyone is referring to him as K in these comments. Could it be we're all imitating each other?

[damiasebaticus]

We just don't want to type his name, which is not important.

[Aaron01f]

yes it is

[mytv80]

the old hindu dude with the glasses is a moron! great videos of K by the way, thanks!

[ABR25VIDEO]

hes not a hindu but a buddhist monk probably from sri lanka

[capekmira]

We can eat food from "anybody" as long as it is not poisoned. If I find good food I will take it no matter who it is from as I know that someone who gives good food is also good..in the spiritual sense.. Thats the point that the monk is making...It is very clear and simple..whats the matter with K. ?

[0hmprakash]

But we can't eat anyone else's food at all. Our insight must be totally our own. No one can discover the truth for us. The man who has eaten to satisfaction may come back and tell us how he satisfied his hunger and we can use that knowledge to help us find our own food. However the finding of the food is totally up to us. So is the cooking of the food and the eating of it as well.

[capekmira]

My question to you is whether knowledge is something to be used..like the example you gave..first we have to cook a then eat..apearently there is time involved in this..cooking cannot be the same as eating since what really satisfies us is EATING..and where does the food come from? who gave the ingredients?Knowledge cannot be something that is transfered..To me it seems that cooking is our part whereas receiving the food is not..which oblidges me not to eat the food that I have cooked...

[ododidit]

That old man has some really good points! very very good video's :)

[cormex55]

That is...

Second hand wisdom is a story of life, first hand wisdom is the experience of living.

[usdubey]

'Second hand wisdom' is not wisdom. Had it been the whole world following Jesus, Krishna, Buddha and this and that would have been wise. Food you can eat cooked by others. But wisdom is different thing. Its a living thing. You must experience it from moment to moment. It is always new.

[behemoth2299]

wisdom is part of the collective...

"he who knows himself is enlightened,

he who knows others is wise."

[VivianLMFT]

This makes sense. It is therefore senseless to talk about the experience of death, which, if you are talking about it, it cannt be from first hand wisdom.

[cormex55]

X cannot eat food for Y

X and Y can share a meal but their appetite and tastes differ.

X and Y can appreciate the flavor of the meal However... they cannot KNOW the effort it took to prepare the meal.

It truly know the entirety of what it is to feed... you my also know what it is to gather, cook and prepare the food... then with every bite you will savor every flavor of your own toils.

Second hand wisdom is a story of live... first hand wisdom is the experience of living.

[SaschaHanbao]

thank you very much for posing K´s talks here. hope to see more of it.

ััำิsascha

[anamarie8]

thanx seastar watcher. i enjoyed these talks. ana

[damiasebaticus]

I remeber an Anamarie at the grove, is this you? Fellow student...