"The Price Of Oil"

[ShamefulProductions]

People seem to think that the only thing driving the price of gas is greedy oil companies. It's not that simple or dramatic.

The real problem is raising demand in developing economies, such as China, who's oil consumption has nearly doubled over the past decade, while global production struggles to keep up.

It's supply and demand. When the demand goes up, it strains the global supply, and prices go up. That's why we need to increase our supply by drilling our own oil offshore and in the ANWR.

[ShamefulProductions]

We should also stop using ethanol. Ethanol is made from corn, and more corn is being used to make ethanol than ever. Corn is generally used to make animal feed, so when so much of it is being used to make ethanol, less of it is used to make feed, making it cost more to raise farm animals.

When the price of raising animals goes up, the price of meat, milk, and fertilizer goes up, which in turn raises the price of vegetables.

That's why food is so expensive now.

[TheNextTurn]

Why would anyone want to drill and thus be more reliant on a volatile product like OIL?

Europe is getting off oil thus they could care less about the price of oil. Gas costs 10$/g over their yet economy/dollar is doing better than in the US.

Drilling may relief our dependence but as China brings 600,000,000 into the middle class the cost of OIL will double, no one can stop that.

Wind solar biofuel geothermal is what we should invest in to get rid off our dependence, NOT more drilling.

[ShamefulProductions]

Even if we do switch to an alternative form of energy, it'll take years, and we need energy as soon as possible. In the mean time that it takes to build enough wind farms and nuclear power plants to sustain every city in the country, we'll be needing that oil. Even after we've made the switch, we'll still need it because you can't run a car off wind, solar, or nuclear, unless it's a hybrid, but I strongly doubt that the entire country will start driving hybrids any time soon.

[TheNextTurn]

So there is no doubt that we must get off oil...correct. Its a limited supply and the demand for will double or triple.

If we drill are way out of this all it means is we will have to change to something else later.

SO we could invest billions into new drilling rigs or invest billions into wind farms, solar geothermal like Europe started 10 years ago.

A oil rig properly maintained will produce energy for 10 years (oil runs out)

A wind farm properly maintained will produce energy forever.

[ShamefulProductions]

Europe doesn't have the same energy demands as the US. More people drive in the US, and like I said, you can't run a car off wind or solar.

If we're going to look for an alternative, our best bet would be nuclear. It's the most efficient form of energy production, and contrary to popular belief, it's actually not very bad for environment. 400 new plants could meet 90% of this country's energy needs.

But if all of the cities are running on nuclear, we would still need oil for cars.

[TheNextTurn]

Its that more reason we should be ahead of Europe when implementing new energy sources.

Yes nuclear should be part of the solution.

If increase are fuel standards and complete getting off oil for our heating and electricity, the rigs we have now would be enough to our cars.

Yet this country is still focused on drilling, why?

[ShamefulProductions]

Because in the time it takes to make a considerable switch, we would still need the oil. The oil might eventually run out, but it would last long enough to build what we would need to get off it. The switch can't happen overnight, you know.

It's going to take energy to build the plants and wind farms anyway, so in any case, we'll need the oil.

[TheNextTurn]

Yes it takes time, and we are way behind Europe in implemting new alternatives.

So instead of investing billions in alternatives we invest billions in drilling more.

Does that make sense?

[ShamefulProductions]

Who says we're not doing both? Sure, we need new forms of energy, but you can't just say "okay, we're all gonna start using wind energy, so we don't need any oil now". You can't say it's going to be either one way or the other. Private companies are doing both. Even Exxon Mobile is developing wind technology, but of course they're still going to sell oil.

Like I said, if and when the switch happens, we're still going to need oil, at least until the switch happens, and for some time after.

[TheNextTurn]

"Even Exxon Mobile is developing wind technology"

REALLY... do you have a source I didn't see that in any news media.

Anyway I'm talking about our Govt taking action. currently the US has a free market approach to changing our energy needs. Bush said Govt interference would hurt our economy, its why we pulled out of Kyoto.

Yikes how embarrassing for him.

ANyway this about McCain inst it.

[TheNextTurn]

"when the switch happens"

you mean when the switch stars.

"can't just say "okay, we're all gonna start using wind energy"

Thats what we can do though. Its why we have a government to unite focus our power by passing laws.

McCain has talked about a cap and trade system, but he hardly ever focuses on promoting alternatives.

We could get off Saudi OIL by drilling here but we are fixing an problem with a solution that will need to be replaced right after we get off Saudi Oil.

[TheNextTurn]

The goal should be get off OIL.

NOT get off foreign OIL, then get off the OIL we used to get off foreign oil, then get OFF oil.

[ShamefulProductions]

We can get off oil, but it'll take years, and in the mean time, we still need it.

[TheNextTurn]

OK I really have to spell this out for you.

Sweden 5 years ago passed energy laws that now gives them 10% renewable energy.

Biomass and Bio-fuel (9%) wind (%1)

en(.)wikipedia(.)org/wiki/Swed­en#Infrastructure

Are you saying America does not have the POWER to make 23% (what we import) in 10 years?

Yes we need it but we don't need MORE of it that we need to replace later anyway.

[TheNextTurn]

launch3energy(.)com/?p=115

A list of Bills related to renewable energy.

But then McCain said that the Media is biased and to not trust it. You better blindly do as he says and not confirm what it says on this website.

[ShamefulProductions]

Why are you assuming that I give a shit what McCain says?

And why are you ignoring the fact that we need energy now? I keep saying it, we can switch to alternate energy, but we still need the oil. Wind, solar, and biofuel aren't going to magically free us of our need for oil. That's like saying "okay, I have water, so I don't need food".

Yes, the oil will only last so long, but that doesn't change the fact that we need it. You can support wind, etc., but we still need oil.

[TheNextTurn]

why do we NEEEEEED it

Are you saying America does not have the POWER to make 23% (what we import) in 10 years? ARE YOU?

When we know sweden can get 10% in 5 years.

"Wind, solar, and biofuel aren't going to magically free us of our need for oil."

YES THEY CAN...SWEDEN cann make 10% in 5 years

We can if we have the will to do it.

ALL you habe to say is

YES WE CAN

[ShamefulProductions]

We need it because YOU CAN'T SWITCH OVER TO ANOTHER SOURCE OF ENERGY OVERNIGHT. If Sweden takes five years to get that 10% from an alternate source, where do you think their energy has been coming from in the mean time? Do you think energy from the future is coming back in time to power them?

No, wind, solar, etc., can't free us of our need for oil, at least not today. I keep saying that BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, WE WILL NEED ENERGY, and since we don't have wind or solar yet, WE NEED OIL.

[TheNextTurn]

"No, wind, solar can't free us of our need for oil, at least not today"

Yes in 10 years It can, thats the same time it will take if we drill for OIL.

The new govt cant do this?

The goal should be get off OIL.

But the new govt can do this?

NOT get off foreign OIL, then get off the OIL we used to get off foreign oil, then get OFF oil.

Why dont we have solar, wind and bio????

ITS BECAUSE WE KEEP DRILLING FOR OR BUYING OIL...HOLY FUCK SP

[TheNextTurn]

"Where do you think their energy has been coming from in the mean time?"

Yes they are currently using Oil but they are not using Oil to get off their oil needs.

Like you are purposing.

You are so fixed on giving the middle finger to Saudi, when you should be giving the middle finger to OIL.

[ShamefulProductions]

"Yes they are currently using Oil but they are not using Oil to get off their oil needs."

Oh my God, dude. Go back and re-read what I said.

[TheNextTurn]

Yea you have not giving me one logical reason why America is not capable of getting the 23% needed in "renewable energy" to end our dependence on foreign oil.

Your only reasoning so far is:

Sweden's energy needs are different than ours.

How so, is it amount for people we must provide for... the USA GDP is 42 times that of Sweden.

[ShamefulProductions]

How are the US's energy needs different from Sweden's?

1. 30x the population.

2. larger per-capita consumption.

3. More cars, trucks, trains, planes, etc., most of which run on gas.

And having more money wouldn't effect how long it would take to build enough plants to run this country.

Even if every city wasn't burning oil, we would still need it for our millions of cars, trucks, trains, and planes.

[TheNextTurn]

China has increased their renewable energy from 1% in 2005 to 8% now.

The share of electricity from renewable energy in Germany has increased from 6.3 percent in 2000 to over 14.2 percent in 2007.

By 2010 the will have 24% renewable energy.

[ShamefulProductions]

Even if the US could get 23% renewable energy within ten years, that still leaves the other 77%.

If China has 8% renewable, and Germany has 14.2%, what about the rest of it?

An entire quarter of American energy consumption goes to the transportation sector, so again, even if every city was running renewable, oil (not biofuel) would still account for about 25% of our consumption, so it doesn't even matter if we could get that 23%. We would still need the oil for at the very least another 25%.

[ShamefulProductions]

Now I don't know what time it is where you live, but it's 4:45 AM here, so good night.

[ShamefulProductions]

"But the new govt can do this?

NOT get off foreign OIL, then get off the OIL we used to get off foreign oil, then get OFF oil."

I can barely even understand what you wrote here. From what I can, it seems like your inventing my arguments again.

The reason we don't have solar, wind, and bio? Because up until recently, the technologies have been in their infancy.

The US is a big country, dependant on transportation. Cars need gas, ergo, our country needs gas, ergo, we need that oil in any case.

[TheNextTurn]

"technologies have been in their infancy."

Except in Sweden??? Are use saying sweden has more advanced tech than US?

So your plan is we get off foreign OIL using domestic oil.

Then we get off the new domestic OIL we used to get off foreign oil.

Then we get off the rest of the domestic oil.

"US is a big ....dependant on transportation"

Yes it is a big country it has lots of resources, vast farms lands (bio fuel/mass), hot states(solar), windy states and costs (wind).

[ShamefulProductions]

I said they were in their infancy until RECENTLY. Even if the technology is fully developed now, it would still take too long to build enough plants to feed out needs.

I already pointed out that biofuel is bullshit for several reasons and I don't want to get back into that.

If you really want to know, my plan is to get off foreign oil with domestic oil, and use that oil to power us until enough nuclear plants have been built to sustain the country.

[TheNextTurn]

SO no renewables at all, Even though Eurpore is going to renewables full force and their Economy is the better for it becuase once Wind and solar is up and ready its FREE energy.

While Europe is getting power from FREE sources we will be paying to pull oil out of the ground and buying plutonium.

[ShamefulProductions]

"SO no renewables at all..." Was that supposed to be a question? If it was, you're putting words in my mouth again because I never suggested that we shouldn't use renewables. What I did suggest is that you can't focus all of your attention on it for reasons that I already gave.

[ShamefulProductions]

I never said that drilling would suddenly meet all of our energy needs, I never even implied it, if that's what you think. I never said anything against alternative energy either. I'm saying we need both.

Yes, we do need more oil. I've said why like, three times already. You can support alternate energy, BUT WE WILL STILL NEED THE OIL FOR THE SHORT RUN. Yes, it'll run out, BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE NEED IT.

And don't compare the US to Sweden. Our energy needs are far different.

[TheNextTurn]

"BUT WE WILL STILL NEED THE OIL FOR THE SHORT RUN."

No you have not said ONE reason WHY we NEED it.

How does oil all of sudden make the Govt less incompetent?

Sweden and many other countries have shown its possible to get 20% in 10 years without adding more oil.

"Our energy needs are far different."

Yes they have one forth our population. But

how times more powerful are we compared to Sweden?

[ShamefulProductions]

It's more like 1/30 of our population. And about how much more powerful we are, that depends on your definition of "power", which is a whole different discussion entirely. We're more powerful in the sense that we have more land, a bigger population, a bigger GDP, and a bigger military.

And yes, I have said why we need the oil. You know what gasoline is made from? You know what cars run on? They don't run on wind or solar power, if that's what you think.

[TheNextTurn]

"more land, a bigger population, a bigger GDP"

yes you forgot better tech

"It's more like 1/30 of our population."

Opps yes you are correct.. that also mean our GDP (14 t) is 42 times that of Sweden(333 b) .

Biofuel or biomass 10%, which can replace Gas for cars. Solar and wind 10% and Nuclear 3% which can replace heating needs.

WE have the will, we have the resources so we have the power to do this with out waisting billions on NEW oil rigs that we are going to replace anyway.

[ShamefulProductions]

"Are you saying America does not have the POWER to make 23% (what we import) in 10 years?" Where's this even coming from?

If you mean "is the government too incompetent to control our energy", yes, I was implying that the US government isn't competent enough, regardless of who's president, to have complete control over our energy. I said they can regulate it to a limited extent, but you can't rely on them to babysit everyone.

[TheNextTurn]

"Where's this even coming from?"

You don't know what our and other countries current energy policies and usage rates are?

Better do some research on that, its not hard to find out.

"US government isn't competent enough"

But add oil to the mix and BAM!!! the Govt has the power to do it?

The Govt controls our energy policies, always has. Yes private enterprise full fills those policies but Govt sets the plan, thats it.

Americans provides the hard work that meets the those plans not the Govt.

[ShamefulProductions]

I'm aware that Sweden's energy consumption isn't similar enough to America's to compare the policies.

I never suggested that oil would make the government competent. Don't put words in my mouth.

It doesn't even matter, you're straying away from the point. The fact is our energy demand is only going to keep getting bigger. Alternate forms of energy may meet the demand years from now, but we still need oil for our demands today.

[TheNextTurn]

"Sweden's energy consumption isn't similar enough to America's"

They use the same resources we do.

Yes we are 5 times the population but we have 10 times the power they have. (compare GDPs)

"we still need oil for our demands today."

Drilling will take 10 years to make an impact.

Why drill for oil when we can become energy independent without adding more oil to the mix?

[ShamefulProductions]

I'm not talking about their resources. I'm talking about numbers.

Sweden has 1/30 of our population, and their per capita consumption is also lower.

If it takes ten years for them to switch, and even if it does take ten years for drilling to make a difference, consider the differences in US vs Sweden energy consumption. You're living in a fantasy world if you think enough solar and wind plants to meet the demands of 300 million Americans could be built in ten years.

[TheNextTurn]

Look at China or Germany then they are on the same track as sweden.

WE dont have to meet all our energy needs in 10 years ONLY the 23% to get us off foreign oil.

Why do keep forgetting that?

[ShamefulProductions]

You seem to be unaware that 60% of our energy comes from imported oil, so even if we got that 23% from renewables, that obviously isn't enough to even get us off foreign oil by itself, let alone oil entirely. We're still going to need oil.

The only realistic way for us to get off foreign oil is to BOTH drill, AND use alternatives, because neither by themselves is going to get the job done.

[TheNextTurn]

No curretly 40% of our energy consumption is oil. Of that 40%... 60% of is imported. Thus 23% of our energy needs are dependant on foreign oil.

You keep think we cant do it without drilling, we can and we will since weaker countries have already shown its already possible.

[ShamefulProductions]

We still need oil for cars, trucks, planes, and trains. Whatever, you keep thinking that we don't need to drill oil for 96% of our transportation sector. I'm sick of this.

[TheNextTurn]

All im saying is why spend millions on creating new oil rigs, when in 10 years after they start producing, we will have to spend millions dismantelling them. Its a waist of $.

An oil rig will produce energy for 15 years a wind farm will produce energy forever.

WE should use the $ that would create new oil rigs and create bigger wind or solar farms.

[ShamefulProductions]

Because we still need oil for transportation.

[TheNextTurn]

Well it looks like I cant convince even though to dont argue my point you just keep saying "becuase we need it".

I suggest you look in the cost of building, maintaining and then disabling an off shore oil rig. And see if you think America will make a profit from the endever.

Remember a Cap trade system will go into effect and that will increase the cost even more.

[ShamefulProductions]

Sweden: 9.2 million people with a per-capita consumption of 5764.8 kgoe/y.

Switch takes ten years.

US: 300 million people with a per-capita consumption of 7794.8 kgoe/y.

Switch would take how many years? I'll give you a hint: It ain't ten.

I maintain that you can't compare Sweden to America.

[TheNextTurn]

"I'll give you a hint: It ain't ten."

We dont have to change the entire system in 10 years only the 23% that we import.

"you can't compare Sweden to America."

how about China (starting 2005 at 1%, China has set a renewable energy target of 10% of electric power capacity by 2010),

Or Germany

(The share of electricity from renewable energy in Germany has increased from 6 percent in 2000 to over 14 percent in 2007)

[ShamefulProductions]

Their official website, theengineer [dot] co [dot] uk, stateofthesuperpower [dot] com, and more. Google "ExxonMobile Wind". There is an article on triplepundit [dot] com that says they wouldn't, but it's dated 2005 and is therefore irrelevant.

You can't rely on the government. Companies know that people are demanding alternative energy, and that's why ExxonMobile is working on wind. It's a whole new market and it's good to have companies competing over it.

[ShamefulProductions]

When two or more companies enter the same market, they compete for market share, and to do that, they have to develop their technologies, lower their prices, etc. It's why computers double in power every two years. The companies want to make money, so they need customers, so they need to keep people from buying from someone else, so they make better products to attract customers and increase their market share.

Things are almost always more efficient when run privately.

[ShamefulProductions]

The government can regulate what the companies do to a limited extent, but they shouldn't be in control of the energy. Almost everything is worse when completely controlled by a government. Just look at how inefficient NASA is when compared to some private aeronautic companies.

[TheNextTurn]

Dude the Govt has ALWAYS decided our energy consumption. Private companies fulfill the needs of what the Govt sets out.

[ShamefulProductions]

And biofuel is bullshit, for lack of a better term. Other than the reasons I already gave, ethanol takes more time and energy to produce, and it takes huge amounts of land, and making it is a big manufacturing process. It's just as detrimental, if not more, than drilling is to both the economy and the environment. The only thing good about it is that it gives people the "good feeling" that it doesn't kill fish or birds.

[TheNextTurn]

They recently confirm that biofuel can be created for waste products, like sawdust, corn stocks and hay. Would you support that?

[ShamefulProductions]

If they could do it cheaper than the price of drilling oil, then yeah. But there's a lot to consider. It takes a lot of corn to make enough ethanol to fuel just a single car, something like two acres of land is required to grow that much. I would imagine that it's the same for waste. I doubt environmentalists would be in favor of devoting huge amounts of land to what would basically be giant garbage dumps.

[TheNextTurn]

My main point is that Europe has huge gas costs, yet their economy and dollar is doing much better then ours.

The reason is because they are getting off oil as a main energy source. Thats the model we should be following, when McCain announced his support for drilling, Obama said fine as long as the policy includes mandates on alternatives similar to what Europe is doing.

Europe is focused on alternative

We and McCain is still focused on Oil

[azrios]

Great video!  Truth hurts! Go Green, Electric, BioFuels, Algae, Natural Gas, Wind Gen., Hybrids etc.

[JesusFrickinChrist]

Interesting how the libtards are always screaming the Bush Adm. is in he pocket of the foreign oil Co's.

When all the Arab states including their terrorist org. Hammas, along w/ oil Czar Hugo Chavez (another enemy of America) all endorse 0bama for pres.

Even in this crisis, 0bama Still refuses to support domestic drilling off our shores.

Now, who's in the foreign oil Co's pocket?

[SlaughterMcKill]

It's like Woodstock with teeth man! Guess I better not fart too much because GAWD only knows how much combined damage all the farts in the world are doing to the Ozone!

[blaziermissy]

Only a moron would intellectualize that just b/c people don't agree with the unfair mass consumption Capitalizm creates the person is a communist. Stupidity and those spewing it should crawl straight up McCarthy's ass. Propoganda puppets. Spin it like it reallly issssss...

[Ritersu]

I loved the funkypoor musician's message. The catharsis of song works yet THIS message works to promote thought. I just read all your comments! Funkypoormusician has gotten us ALL discussing intelligently, what most simply bitch about. Kuddos funky man!!! Loves your creative talents. You go guy... Gimme more. It's our nature to react to song. THIS message is so clear and true. I am impressed!

[surfstomp]

The liberals are putting the final touches on choking out American Corporations. Hope you like Polar Bears.

[EnviroMonster]

We can't drill our way out of this.The price is going to keep going up.Use less.

[VIDEOTUBEASSASSIN]

"SMOKE SCREEN" WHAT ABOUT MASSIVE PROFITS WITH THE OIL COMPANY'S ARE WHY THE PRICE OF GAS IS SO HIGH!NEO-CON WAR MONGERING HYPOCRITE'S, WHICH LOBBY IS PAYING FOR THEIR RIGHT WING LIES? GAS IS A SMOKE SCREEN TO JUSTIFY STEALING OIL IN IRAQ, VENEZUELA AND THE PIPE LINES AND POPPY'S IN Afghanistan! WAKE UP SHEEPLE, UNEMPLOYMENT, FORECLOSURES, REPO'S NONE OF THESE WERE CAUSED BY .75 CENTS A GALLON OF GAS! USE YOUR COMMON SENSE BEFORE THE T.V. KILLS THE REST OF YOUR BRAIN CELLS

[moridinTKD]

Valid points ... but seriously man

CAPS AREN'T NECESSARY

[USA04July1776]

The government screws up by regulating creative enterprize, we the people will work it out, we will develop alternative energy within this generation and make billions out of it while improving our technologies to fit in better with the world we live in while making ourselves wealthier and more in par with nature. For the time being we need to have 800 nuclear stations, and dig for oil while these same companies start diversifying into new sources of energy to get profit from like solar etc.

[funkypoormusician]

Thank You!  And thank you for subscribing! Maybe we can help to change this world!

[helyeabiotch]

sry to say this but u cant help the world by writings songs that seem to only be complaining about prices and judging ppl, that will only piss ppl off.

[greenEbikeMan]

That's the purpose. Get pissed. Get angry. Then do something. Say something.  "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"

[helyeabiotch]

*sigh* i wasnt talking about getting pissed at that. i dont need to hear a song to know that gas prices are high.i was talkin about gettin pissed because of the lack of talent and the fact that the whole song seems to be bitchen like a little girl(no offense funkypoormusician just not my taste)

[feekill]

dig the sing man, i just wish that it wasn't so

[funkypoormusician]

DITTO: The "I Just Wish It Wasn't So" But glad you liked the song!

[thevampireking21]

geeze! you Americans complaining about the price of gasoline! do you realize that in most places in the world the price of oil is 5-6 dollars a gallon! You guys are lucky!

[Teflonmonkeyjumps]

the price is life dumbass

[USA04July1776]

Clever reply, but it's only an empty slogan, capitalism is not the enemy and government's inaction and WRONG action by restricting business and development is what is hurting America. We will work it out as we do always, we the people, not government, politicians get their power out of creating problems not solutions, like a doctor that must keep his patient sick in order to be relevant in his life and make money and seem more important. You hippies are right on form, but wrong on substance.

[AnonymousBChurch]

Why should we give the oil companies OUR OIL for free? Or subsidize them while they sell us our OWN oil?

[USA04July1776]

Our own oil? Dude, what about farmers selling us our own milk? They must all find the oil, process it, same with farming or any other process, the government has the monopoly in all kinds of places and the technology of oil production and extraction always suffers, the best technology and methods for oil production are with private companies. It's shocking to me that you use socialist and even communist arguments regarding work, production, goods and services in America... very scary arguments.

[AnonymousBChurch]

I can understand putting "USA" is your handle since you are suggesting Big Government take pubic resources and hand them over to Big Business, the ones who bribe, er, "lobby" your politicians.

With such a Communist scheme you are suggesting, I can understand why you'd want to hide behind the flag. You want to turn over strategic assets to internationalist companies half owned by Saudis, if that's not treason what is?

[USA04July1776]

What doesn't work r monopolistic monoliths called CARTELS such as OPEC, that is the type collusion and lack of competition which is hurting the world obviously. Just like government regulation which obliges companies to off and outsource, or keeping us from drilling for oil, letting the Brazilians get it instead -they are self sufficient already btw, or not letting the US create more nuclear facilities or refineries. The Government is a bureaucracy and it becomes relevant when there r problems.

[AnonymousBChurch]

How is a government bureaucracy any worse than a corporate bureaucracy? At least with the government bureaucracy you don't have "owners" skimming profits off the top.

[USA04July1776]

Ever heard of corruption and incompetence in government? That skims profits off the top.

[AnonymousBChurch]

Ever heard of corporate corruption and incompetence (Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Anderson, etc., etc., etc., etc.,)? That skims even MORE profits off the top.

[USA04July1776]

At the end of the day the only producer of capital is the private sector, the government must just do enough to ensure that enough in taxes is used to build up the infrastructure, basic amenities and institutions such as justice, education and defense. Companies that are corrupt run to their own destruction and create inefficiency, these practices are a cancer not only to society but to themselves too. Regulation often only serves to produce more red tape, inflexibility and ultimately poverty.

[AnonymousBChurch]

"USA04July1776" flaggot, now you sound like a religious fanatic. Economics 101 explains the difference between a normative statement (you and your crazy communist-inspired ideology) and a positive statement, which is a statement of FACT.

If you want to get into a theological debate, feel free, but stop pretending your commie/bureaucratic scheme is some sort of natural law.

[USA04July1776]

Huh? Where did u c religion involved in my statement? Delusions and insults... okay, you're losing it.

[AnonymousBChurch]

USA04July1776FlagWorshipper: You brought up religion when you stated your religious beliefs:

"the only producer of capital is the private sector, the government must just do enough to ensure that enough in taxes is used to build up the infrastructure, basic amenities and institutions such as justice, education and defense. "

That's a normative not positive statement. You are not making statements of fact but instead, pushing your theology Not everyone shares your values.

[USA04July1776]

AnonymousBChurchMilitantAtheis­t&Communist: You brought up religion in a way to attack both religion and capitalism, two institutions you despise thus you impugn in others what comes from your heart.

What I stated is a fact, the private sector produces capital, the public sector lives off... taxes imposed on that private sector. This is basic economics, business, finance, this is how it works.

What bothers you is that I prone for LIMITED government while you -communist- want neo-feudalism.

[AnonymousBChurch]

USA04July1776GodHater,

Your scheme of using the government to pass assets to internationalist companies is neither capitalist nor pro-American, it's the opposite. I suggested that's why you do so much flag waving in your posts, because it helps mask your anti-American scheme.

Then you tried some jargon to confuse the issue, jargon that is religious (your religion, not Christianity the only true religion) and not based on science.

Tell me is Fannie Mae "public sector" or "private sector"?

[USA04July1776]

You are extremely prejudiced, judgmental, obtuse and arrogant. You impugn unto others a caricature of "the other guy" you keep pounding on, using the most retarded little jabs and recycled slogans and formulas, it feels hollow. You've obviously said the same shit to dozens of other people you are putting me in. A simplified little box that conveniently reduces the coherent, logical and intelligence that I speak to the cynical, distorted and absurd that imprisons your mind and justifies ur rants.

[AnonymousBChurch]

USA04July1776Dhimmi - are Fannie and Freddy "private sector" or "public sector"? What about the Fed?

Would you sell a bridge in the US to the Iranians in the interest of privatization? What about the Saudis? Or UAE?

The issue you are having is that I won't accept your silly framing, just like I won't accept your obviously hypocritical flag waving. I mean, it's obvious why you have to name yourself "USA04July1776" - for the same reason Iran calls itself a "republic".

[CNN911Fakes]

Gosh, here you are usa04july1776. You avoid commenting, huh? Open fora are troublesome, huh?

Reread you comments you made on my channel; see if you can see just how ignorant you actually are.

While visiting, why not tell my readers what a real republican platform is.

Hint; real republicans don't worship POW rats. Name, rank and serial number.

Oh, right, you're a greek pretending to be an American soldier, you didn't know that!

[SASRosco03]

did u make that song up?

[funkypoormusician]

I did, yes! I write all my own material!

[BigRedPhoenix]

*Sigh* I just turned 18 yesterday. I'm gonna be right on time on getting a car too. Just in freaking time to watch it go from $3 to $4! If something doesn't stop the madness soon, we'll be facing problems that made the Great Depression look like a day at the world's greatest theme park.

[funkypoormusician]

You're Right! And - Happy Birthday!

[Stylensky]

Its sad that in the past ten years the World has changed so much just because of gas prices. In the future when you tell a young person "we used to ride in our cars all night long until the sun came up!" their response may be "yea, we did that one time , but it cost us $150".

Me and my friends used to put $10 worth of gas in a V8 powered car and ride all weekend. Never in history has the term "the good ol' days" been so true.

[driftability]

Ah were all going to hell. Definatelly gonna get worse before it gets better.

[LastOptionPils]

How Optimistic!

[shokes1008]

Now this is great! as an idiot Tiger once said. I remember gas bein' ¨25 pennies a gallon, and driving from Boston to NYC for a couple of bucks...