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by the way, you have a nice lab, so why dont you simply try to shild S-magnets? there are alot of way to shield a magnet, for sure the best is superconductor. so for example, if shielding doesnt cost energy (at least much lower), should a p-motion work?
That's not my lab, that's my kitchen. My lab is too big to fit in my kitchen.
Sure, if you had a free way to shield a magnetic field, without the shield itself being attracted to the magnets, and you had a free way to move that shield back and forth, and if pigs had wings and could fly, then you could make a perpetual motion machine out of magnets. Maybe.
And if I had lots and lots of money, I'd be rich.
And if I wasn't so ugly, I'd be beautiful. And if....
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I like the sound of that. Feral hogs are fun, especially the big'uns. We've got a few in East Texas still but they are getting rarer.
I'm good with dogs, not so much with grrls but I'd rather sleep with a good dog anyway. From what I see in the background it looks pretty peaceful and green. I guess the mosquitoes get used to you after a while and don't bother much, I know I'm not as tasty as I once was!!
I'm glad you posted that. I'm not going to comment on how long it takes a heavy flywheel to run down, I want to ask you something else. How's the hunting up there? Do you think the local economy could support another freak with a van full of tools and the know-how to fix stuff? I think I might be needing a new place to live soon.
I wash dishes, cook, pick up my own socks, all that stuff. And I make some mean 'shine, call it "absinthe makes the tart grow fonder."
you think your so smart!!!!this is typical not trying to make it work,rather trying to prove it doesn't.I got 3 different configurations running and with just junk laying around. I think your holes in the disk is the problem here.keep trying you will get it
This is no replication of Mylar's running motor. You are using different magnets! Your's doesn't run by itself. So the title of your video is misleading!
Mylow is using different magnets with each new build (eleven, or is it twelve now? I lose track.) Mylow's doesn't run itself either. So my replication is exact. The title to the video is correct, and you are simply wrong.
exactly yours is wobbling and weights don't help they just make more friction and cause a greater pull of gravity actually your proof of his concept was flawed from the beginning when you used such a heavy huge aluminum disk was of money in my opinion could of tried this with a old record (from ebay) or something. I can't tell you another thing I noticed yours is lacking because it's part of my over-unity device and my patent is still pending.
You are funny. This disk is the same dimensions and mass as mylow's. The amount of wobble in mylow's disk, or lack of it, is another clue that it is not operating like he claims.
Good luck with your patent. Please don't tell me what mine lacks.
Thanks TK. Your videos, and some of the others, help those of us not so well grounded in physics follow along. It seems as if Mylows claim to have a working motor is destined to remain just that, a claim, since ,for whatever reason, he resists having it independently verified. Maybe my wife, who is about as interested in all of t this as Mylows cat, hit the nail on the head when she said that he, Mylow, is a celebrity. Verification might end that.
As a latecomer to the Mylow magnetic motor debate, I have been trying to catch up. I was curious as to why there are significantly more revolutions without the stator. Is not this an "effect" in and of itself, albeit a negative one? Bear with me here I'm just trying to get a handle on all of this. Thanks.
It is indeed an effect. But it isn't a new effect, nor is it confined to this "motor".
The increased drag with stator installed, is almost certainly due to induced eddy current drag in the disk, via Lenz's Law. The disk is a conductor, it moves thru the field of the stator magnet, even when the magnet seems relatively far away. This induces a current, which has its own magnetic field, which opposes the original stator field. The drag slows the disk.
Good movement on the plate - but you don't have the asymmetry - One magnet will always be Symmetric - you need several to align the system to create the asymmetry.
(I'll be eagerly awaiting my paycheck from you. Since you seem to think you can tell me what to do, you must be my boss, so you will have to pay me my regular salary.)
I'm sure I already know, probably better than you, just what will happen once "the magnet" is in place.
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you? clever? teach? science? an impulse by a droping weight? try a rubber ...try think how limited you are. Not even funny, desertphile is much better by a lot
On the other hand, you're pretty funny. Please show how "rubber" can give a better or more repeatable starting impulse than the method that I have shown here.
I suggest you stick to Desertpile's channel, if you are learning so much from him.
You've clearly put in a lot of time on your circular SMOT train, and from the number of magnets in there, I can see that you've spent a lot of money. What does Desertpile think of your efforts?
And, have you yourself EVER gotten a configuration to work?
Wrong that you haven't got a magnet config to run? Well, I stand corrected then. Please share your secrets. There are a lot of people waiting to suppress you.
Oh, wait...maybe that's why you need that talking car, to tell you when they are tailing you.
JFTR, I absolutely hate these bifurcating branching comments. Comments and replies should be in strict temporal order, IMHO. YouTube, while being nice and generous by allowing our content to make them oodles of money, has just about improved their service to beyond the point of usability, and should quit mucking about while they are ahead, from one head to another, IMHO.
And Chris, why are you having Mike do these demonstrations while you hide in the background? You forget that I know you and how your ego works:) Just because you can't get it to work yet doesn't mean that it can't be done or hasn't already been done. I must agree that your debunking angle has a small amount of merit. I am also suspicious of Mylow, though I sadly admit it. However, you know what the truthg is. Why are you misrepresenting things? No, you know that you get no prize on this deal.
Chris? Mike? Clearwater? Scientology and sunshine? You seem to be having a dialog with somebody in some other universe. As just about anybody can tell you, I and my laboratory are safely ensconced in a completely different country with outrageously different climate. (It snowed a bit here last week.)
Nevertheless, I am intrigued by the hints you have been dropping about your association with HJ. So you saw a running motor? How can you be _sure_ it ran, and that it wasn't hoaxed?
So, Chirs Cotton,How is everything in sunny Clearwater these days? It appears that you might think that Mylows motor does not in fact run (which is very reasonable thought, considering) You say Howard's never ran also. I do think 'otherwise' but then I also KNOW otherwise. How do you actually KNOW about Howards motor? You weren't interested in seeing it back in '85 when invited, simply because you were afraid of being mistaken about your opinions. So, what do we owe you proof of now?
The main thing that must be considered when looking at Mylow's motor is that unlike practically ALL of the other "motors" that have been demonstrated, his motor does indeed continue to "run". Your "Prototype" is going to turn for a longer period without the stator magnet because a single magnet will ALWAYS create drag. BUT, the ASYMMETRICAL placement of rotor magnets provides an imbalance which drives Mylow's motor. Your prototype is symmetrical, so just adding magnets wouldn't make it run....
MyLOW's "motor" does NOT in fact "run", and never did, and neither did Howard Johnson's. Think otherwise? Then PROVE ME WRONG by showing an unequivocal video of a running MyLOW (or HJ) motor.
So... are you saying that the patent office DIDN'T test Johnson's principles and that they granted him a patent for a device which didn't indeed work? The U.S. Patent office isn't in the business of granting patents for bogus inventions, so I would re-think my close-minded attitude in this matter. They DID indeed see Johnson's device WORK. Just because YOU haven't seen one work to your satisfaction doesn't mean it isn't a reality... Nickola Tesla's AC Current was debunked by Edison...
That's pretty much exactly what I'm saying. First, the USPTO tests nothing. Second, what HJ finally demonstrated to the PO was a linear SMOT, not a circular, continuously running device. Third, even Tom Bearden only claims HJ's motor turned of itself "about 15 minutes", which is easily achievable by a heavy flywheel on decent bearings. Fourth, the USPTO has granted patents for such things as peanutbutterandjelly sandwiches and child's swing-pumping methods. Fifth, who's close-minded here? You...
Interesting video. It exhibits a principle which few know about. With your analytical skills you may well be in a position to find the last three remaining secrets. This motor concept should already be finished and ready to roll but there's a lot of misconception going on about the principles of operation.
why not move that bar away from being centered with the wheel. then set up the magnets so there is only a push from the magnet on the bar and no pull.
Well, for one thing, we are trying to illustrate the proper way to do control experiments on a specific setup, the MyLOW / Howard Johnson stonehenge motor, and MyLOW used the diametric bar as I have done here. But your suggestion is a fine one. Perhaps you can tell us just how to arrange the magnets so there is only a push from the magnet on the bar and no pull. It would save me a lot of time if you could draw a diagram of your exact suggested arrangement. Then I'll test it.
I beleive Mylows configuration was significantly different, don't you agree? The path of his upright rotor magnets encircled the stator and therefore operated in an entirely different plane than your configuration. In your example the rotor B vectors point vertical, perpendicular to the plane of rotation and the stator points tangent. In Mylows, the B of the rotors point at the center of rotation and the stator points away from the center with both parallel to the plane of rotation. ;-)
Sure, and I've tried it with upright rotor magnets and stator tangent, horizontally and vertically, rotors facing in and stator inside, rotors facing out and stator clear off the disk (best working, BTW), rotors on both top and bottom surfaces of the disk, stator like jaw chomping the disk, you name it, I've probably tried it.
But--my magnets and mounts allow something nobody else has tried: I can rotate the individual rotors from horizontal to vertical within a group. This works really well.
And of course once again, the point of this video is not to display a configuration of magnets that "runs" (although you might like to explain why, if my configuration pushes the magnets farther than MyLOW's does, it isn't "just as good" or better than his); the point of the video is to demonstrate a sensitive yet easy to implement testing method that will be far better than the subjective hand-push, "Look Ma It Runs" type of "experiment" that we are so used to seeing.
Looking forward to the second phase of this test with all the magnets properly populated. After all, if the conservative force can cause drag in one configuration, then it can cause thrust in another ;-)
Sort of like when the rotor goes one way, and the eddy currents create drag, and then when the rotor goes the other way, the eddy currents create...well, they still create drag, darn it.
I've refined the apparatus muchly, and have gotten some amazing effects.
Phase Two may have to be published in the "alt-snakeoil" journal of impossible results. Hopefully I'll have it ready this weekend.
Well I guess that depends on the configuration. The aluminum is acting as a single winding inductor and therefore has a separation (90°) between voltage and current relative to time. The induced field is a product of current flow and is therefore later in the game. Naturally, to refute this, you would need to properly place the magnets instead of orienting them improperly the way you have here. Also I have serious reservations about your reaction time on that stop watch ;-)
Re reaction time: Since I now have several tens of trials in each of the tested conditions, I can compute a standard deviation of the recorded times. This is a statistical measure of the "spread" of data, hence its reliability. The standard deviation of my timings is typically 1-5 percent of the mean, which indicates that systematic errors are largely cancelling--that is, whatever it is I'm timing, I'm timing it consistently.
I have now considerably improved the apparatus, so keep watching.
I would be happy to try any magnet configuration you suggest on this apparatus, subject to the following constraints: There are 72 equally spaced mounting holes. I have 18 rotor magnets, Eclipse E823, and one stator magnet, General Tool horseshoe. The rotors can be mounted either on their right-angle mounts or facing upward directly on the disk, rotated however. The stator is on a sliding mount that can be oriented any whichaway you like, as long as it is suspended from the overhead bar.
Are your rotor magnets similar to Mylows, or are they the round looking one I see in this video? It seems the field shaping is important and characteristic of the rectangular magnets he uses along with the specific spacing between. You may not be able to accurately test this style of gate with your setup, I don't know. Clanzer however, looks like he has a good match - perhaps we can convince him to do some 'nut-drop' tests ;-)
My rotor magnets are clearly superior to MyLOW's, in that they are round and so can be rotated to other angles. I can reproduce ALL effects MyLOW has demonstrated in his videos, and more.
My current instrumentation includes a Hall-effect triggered counter (BalNroets sensor, GenRad 1192 counter), so I can get accurate RPM readings, although not instantaneous like CLaNZeR.
My data errors are orders of magnitude less than the inter-group differences: The stator magnet costs 40 percent performance.
I like that CLaNZer's tach is able to datalog to the computer. My meter does that, but the resolution is only 1 second intervals :( So the 'Nut-Drop' becomes moot and you can compare different configs that way. As long as you sweep the RPM range you can compare timing from a given RPM to another for a particular setup. Also, you can compare energy values between different configs if you know your mass dist. and RPM. Of course for us working on our stoves, the 'Nut-Drop' test is a good ballpark.
Well, maybe. I still think entire rundowns should be performed. Consider, for example, the effect of rotational velocity on eddy current damping. Fast disk, lots of damping, slow disk, less, still disk, no damping. It is possible that other effects could even be non-linearly related to disk velocity. So just looking at an RPM range might not capture behaviour of interest, and sweeping takes organization.
I'm all for automated data logging; even the antique GR 1191 counter has remote data out.
Even though the analyses I have seen call into question even the phenomenology, much less the veracity, of that claim on Mylow's part.
Now, since he has not demonstrated, only claimed, the cooling of the stator magnet, I haven't yet instrumented my stator to see if it's cooling. But I will, never fear.
I don't want to play around too much unnecessarily with this device, as there is one thing I do agree with: it is a remarkably effective alnico magnet killer.
Field shaping is important!! Yep, that must be why people are trying to kill the B-field completely with permeability bands and weakened magnets, and why certain individuals have even warned AGAINST grooving the edge of the disk.
Of course, NOBODY has yet done, or at least has talked about, comparison tests like I have shown here. Why not? It only takes a few minutes--although my wheel will spin for over 7.5 minutes from a 100-RPM start, so maybe folks just don't have the time.
Do I detect a sense of sarcasm? I see the all caps and get the sense of agitation in the projected tone. I imagine this is related to a frustration that other replicators have not taken your advice in performing this test. I would like to stress to the readers that this test is only valid if the mass distribution is not changed in any way between tests. You can remove any external affector, like the stator, but you cannot change rotor mag positions or quantity as that alters the energy ratios.
That's right, that's why this design is so easy to test--all one needs to do to change from experimental to control condition is to remove the stator magnet, or even just emplace its keeper. Nothing whatsoever needs to be changed on the moving parts of the device.
However, I have some revealing data re changing mass distribution. Guess:
If a disk with no magnets rotates for 4min30sec, how long will it rotate with 18 x 35gram magnets on it at r=8" when started by the same 50 gram weight falling?
You want me to 'Guess' or calculate this? Just a hunch, the more mass you add, especially around the perimeter, the more energy it will take to get it going. Evenutally the MOI will exceed the force available in the Nut and zero RPM will be obtained. Also, the added weight will increase friction on the bearing. Apart from that, any energy you store as kinetic will be expended through the friction and if those two things remain constant then the time of loss will be constant. But my guess is ...
... the time will be reduced do to increased drag and friction as well as slower initial RPM. As mass is added eventually the RPM < 1 and the time to travel will decrease proportionate to distance, therefore logically the rundown time decreases with additional mass because of the acceleration curve. How is that for a guess?
Pretty good, but surprisingly, wrong, at least in the range of interest. The empty disk turns around 4:30 from the nut-drop, and the same exact disk with 18 ea. 35 gram magnets and their keepers, started with exactly the same weight drop from exactly the same height, turns 4:50 or so. (min:sec)
This surprised me, but it is quite consistent. I think it has to do with the bearing pre-load characteristic.
That is surprising. I'd say that is almost as interesting as your views of Alsetalokin ;-) - I think 'psuedo-Freud' is still waiting to see how you respond. :D
On the serious side, you may be correct regarding the bearing friction increasing with RPM. Do you have a good torque gauge to plot that resistance curve with? I for one would be very interested in that data to map against your rundown data (which I would also like to see). What is your opinion of focused density?
Yes, I am frustrated to the extreme. It is becoming increasingly clear that those who believe, believe absolutely, and their minds will not be sullied by logic. The staunch and daft refusal to perform the simplest control experiments that have the potential to reveal the actual behaviors of the DUTs is, to me, astounding, and the involvement of Sterling Allen in the current affair, without the least attempt at vetting, has put me off the whole affair, like a rotten tomalley in my lobster.
LOL, our minds are made up, don't confuse us with the facts! ;-)
I think Sterling has tried to vet this a bit, sending magnets and even procuring a replica that he has been experimenting with - but I agree, I've seen rotten Tamales with Enchiladas - but it's the Tequila that kills the liver ;-)
Well, we will see (maybe) what happens in the famous "site visit" that might happen soon--but I think Mrs. MyLOW has already said no group party, maybe only a single observer will be shown the "running" wheel.
Uh-huh.
I'll bet my last paycheck that there will be no running wheel, as you and I understand it, or even probably as that "alselatokin" character understood it, shown at the time of the site visit.
And if I lose, it certainly will be my "last" paycheck.
I know there are always variables that are constant, and constants that vary. So the best solution is to make all the variables constant and set all constants to zero. That way, there won't be any arguments.
CLaNZeR's timed rundown, or rotation count, from a given RPM is probably equivalent in accuracy to the nut-drop, and serves the same purpose, although it requires more sophisticated apparatus. Individuals will find one or the other method most suitable to their unique requirements.
To all MyLOW replicators: set up your rotor magnets however you like, your stator(s) however you like, and do comparisons as shown in this video, and/or CLaNZeR's RPM videos, of 2 conditions: (1): MyLOW rig with stator(s); (2): Identical rig WITHOUT stator(s) installed. Start the rigs from the same neutral point using the weighted string, or spin the rig up to the same RPM each time, and time the rundowns until all rotor motion is stopped. Does ANYONE get longer runs with stators installed?
Several others, though, have big aluminum disks on fine bearings, and should easily be able to do the simple test I suggest.
It would require some interesting logical maneuvering to support the idea of a real working HJ/MyLOW magnet motor, if the longest-turning configuration anybody could come up with had NO stator magnet.
Still, it seems that MyLOW is the only one who can claim a longer rundown with stator(s). Except for a tantalizing report from Sterling.
Come on, Sterling! Repeat that result, 5 times in each condition, and report it somewhere! It would really be a significant result if experimental error could be ruled out. Conventional theory says that there should be no gain at all from magnet interactions and some drag from eddys, so a longer rundown with stators would be extremely significant, IMHO.
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I see that there are lots of MyLOW replications in progress. Has anyone tested the functioning of their wheel/gate arrangement, to compare its working with and without the stator magnet installed?
Anyone?
Can ANYONE show an aluminum wheel that runs longer with magnets on it, than it does without magnets, but weighted the same? Or even with the rotor magnets, but with and without the single stator?
I repeat: does ANYONE have a wheel that runs longer with magnets, than without, tested this way?
Any plans for an exact replica or is the specification incomplete? Otherwise great protocol and it's sad to see so few builders even start approaching such a protocol.
Tho by now the MyLOW farce seems to be over anyway.
I've got some magnets that are approximately like MyLOW's, and I've arranged them every whichaway that I can think of on that disk, and on other disks, and have never seen a gain (longer rundown time than a same mass disk without magnets).
I seriously doubt if anybody else has either, if only they had real data like mine to compare.
I have found, for example, that the mere presence of the stator magnet alone in this rig subtracts about 40 percent from the rundown, by eddy current dissipation.
Have you attempted sheilding the approaching side of the stator with magnetic sheilding to reduce the drag? If you could actually reduce the drag to 0% (if thats possible) on the one side of the stator you might achieve a small push in passing of the stator in turn making perpetual motion?
absolutley its called synton, ok so im lying.... I wish i knew of somthing to throw out there for you, but i just hear hype on magnetic sheilding as if it can make a difference in projects like this, non the less awsome project, one hell of an attempt, im sure you did plenty of research to get where you have so kudos, to you sir!
Actually, yes, many people believe magnetic shielding is sort of the "holy grail" in this kind of work. Unfortunately all real shielding materials are high-permeability metals, so they are strongly attracted to the magnets. If one could make a substance that could block magnetic "lines of force" without being itself attracted, it probably still would be impossible to build a purely PM motor, but for different reasons.
Does it have to be a closed path that this field travels through? Did you ever take a look at Ed Leedskalnin's work? I'm glad you build this rotor. You should be able to investigate more, and come up with a more elaborate setup. An open mind can make things work. A closed mind will tell you how it can't work.
I have looked at Leedskalnin's work. I'm not sure what you mean about not having to follow a closed path. In the HJ motors or MyLOWs device there's a closed path that the magnets or magnetic material follows. Sure, if you have an open loop or better yet, an energy flux, you should be able to extract some work from that. But it still has an entropic cost, so still no free lunch.
(Ed's thing for 16-year olds freaked me out; but I think he probably used levers and pulleys to move all that stuff.)
Tinselkoala, This effect that you just demo here is similar to the Lenz law in electro-mechanical generator. N repels N and when you needed the boost N attracts S creating a brake. I believe Mylow set up is just like what you can accomplish with the lenz law that creates a cogging and eventually brake.
Yes, thank you. But further research on this setup indicates that most of the losses are actually coming from the stator magnet inducing eddy currents in the rotor plate. I determined this by replacing all the rotor magnets with non-magnetic weights, and then comparing rundown times with and without stator installed. The difference in rundown times was on the order of 40 percent (!!), similar to the difference in the experiment shown here.
So, one may conclude that the stator-rotor magnet interactions are neither helping nor hurting much (there's that pesky magnetic conservatism again) and most of the losses are from (Lenz law effects, yes) eddy current losses, and these losses, even with weak magnets, are relatively large. So I recommend that builders of magnet wheels use non-conductive material for their moving parts, as eddy current losses can subtract hugely from momentum.
This brings up another interesting point. The homopolar effect does not depend on relative motion of the magnet and the conducting disk--the magnet can be attached to the disk and spinning with it and the homopolar generator/motor will still work. Does this mean that even the ROTOR magnets, fixed to the moving rotor disk, may be generating eddys in a conductive rotor, hence adding drag and dissipating energy as heat?
Well if the field of the rotor magnet is such it will change its field in interaction to the rotor, any effect cutting the wheel will produce counter currents.
So give us a video rebuttal. Get some aluminum, magnets, bearings and show us how to make it work. What TK is showing is the same sort of results all the replicators are seeing so far.
What's even to prove wrong? All I'm doing is showing a test method that everybody should be using to avoid fooling themselves. (By the way, the data on eddy current drag from the stator magnet is extremely revealing and surprising, at least to me. It is far greater than one might expect.)
It would be sort of like trying to prove that left turns are wrong, or something.
Let's see some of janne808's control experiments and data gathering methodology, so we can see how it "should" be done.
If you truly want to attack this scientificly, I suggest you study some solid state physics first and learn how to do computational physics. There are lot more variables to consider here than what you think.
Hmmm--I need to get a degree in SSPhysics and learn how to do computational physics (does he mean vector calculus? Differential equations? Boundary value problems? Numerical simulation modeling of turbulent flows? I dunno...) in order to tell the difference between a group of rundown times with mean 122 seconds and sd 2 seconds, and another group of times with mean 165 seconds and sd 3 seconds, with all conditions identical except for presence of stator magnet. Well, I guess I'm just SOOL then.
well from teslas research with the first real working magnet motor, the copper disc(in the video aluminum) is very important to operation. in teslas magnet motor called the uni polar dynamo, the magnetic field passes through the copper disc and the current is taken off the edge of the disc to a resistive circuit and then back to the middle of the disc to complete the circuit. the pull of energy from the disc further enforces the magnetic field allowing more energy to be made!!look it up everyone
Yes, what you are describing is Tesla's variation on the Faraday unipolar dynamo, AKA homopolar motor/generator. Tesla used spiral grooves in the disk to channel and deflect the eddy currents to improve the output, if I am interpreting correctly. However, no self-runner was achieved. What I am wondering is whether or not the mere presence of magnets on a spinning conductive disk is enough to create a homopolar dynamo/eddy current effect right on the disk. Some theory says no, some yes.
yea no one has replicated it to date, so really we really dont know if it worked or not, teslas notes say it was self exciting suggesting a real overunity magnet motor,but someone would have to build that, i just want to make his wireless energy transfer lol. great scientific work by the way! i hope you can scientifically prove overunity! ur doing a great job!
I guess huge distributed computational projects like spinhenge@home are just a waste of time too then. everyone should just send you a bunch of magnets and you can test them on your kitchen table and post the results on youtube.
Be sure to let us all know when spinhenge comes up with a self-running magnet motor. Or even a "gate" that makes a slight improvement in performance over no gate at all. Until then, though, perhaps you, janne, are wasting your time looking at my videos, because you clearly are incapable of learning anything from them. I don't know if it's because your cup is too full or too empty, or simply too cracked.
It's abundantly clear that you have no idea of the importance of doing control experiments that have the potential to disprove your hypotheses. But don't feel too badly-- the entire "free energy" community is with you. That's why so many of them waste so much time and money chasing phantoms. You just go on doing the kind of work you're used to doing, and I'll just go on doing science. I doubt if the twain shall meet--until you start flaming another one of my videos, without understanding it.
If you are talking about lost10x, he's a friend of mine whom I respect. If you are talking about me, you can just flmp off and go do your own experiments, and report them.
Maybe you should take that issue up with whoever it is that's forcing you to watch my videos. But you won't be able to comment here--because you are now blocked.
TK the position of your magnet is wrong, and if you sit down and sketch Mylows, you will find some interesting aspects of the connect disconnect of the field interaction. Yes it is a variation of others. Would it work as shown, I have my doubts, but time will tell. A lot of folks trying to replicate this one. LOL including you it seems. A hopeful skeptic you do seem to be, or willing to go a long way to prove a point it seems.
Yes, I know the positions of the magnets do not duplicate Mylow's. But the behaviour of the wheel does. There's one video where he honestly shows his wheel doing exactly what I show this one doing, only not as far. He positions it, he releases it, it goes 1/3 or 2/5 of a turn where it is about to stop, and he grabs it with his hand and repeats. If his single gate only pushes his wheel 1/3 a turn, and my single gate pushes a wheel of the same dimensions a full turn...well, you can figure it out.
TK the question is: can enough acceleration be done in a magnet run to be able to overcome the problems? It takes a knowledge of the force needed to overcome the gate, and enough velocity gained to rotor with a magnet run.
Again a game of what equipment is available to test such with, LOL Velocity to force, and of course force needed to enter the gate.
Hence the why of magnets of Mylows set up supposedly.
Well, as Double-DeckerBusNoDriverOnTheSmot keeps telling everyone, you need to get enough push out of the gate(s) to go all the way around (overcoming friction, eddy losses and skepticism) and penetrate that same gate again from the backside. Then, Bob's yer Uncle, as they say up north. But nobody's done it yet, and there are pretty good reasons why they won't be able to. What I'm showing here is an objective way to check your results, not a "magnet motor" configuration, working or not.
Another fine video. Keep up the good work, TK. Here's hoping you actually find something "interesting" through your efforts. It's nice to see a skeptic that does more than just spout the laws of thermodynamics.
Thanks. It's pretty clear that even efforts like this, which only seek to educate and could not conceivably harm anyone, still bring out the trolls. I've found a lot of interesting things already with this apparatus, and it's easy to see how folks become obsessed. There are so many variations that can be tried, and once you get started actually timing rundowns (that can be as long as 10 minutes with this wheel, unpopulated and given a good spin) the time spent diddling around does add up.
As folks are finding the closing of the ring messes the thing up. The only thing I can see in this one is the multiple open areas may provide a keeping of the closing of the ring. I have had doubts on this one from the start. Yet it is the most fun one in some time.
I will watch the replications including yours. I have doubts yet suspect a lot of folks can learn from replication of this one.
Hmm-I thot he showed what I have built, as far as the axle goes. It's not clear in this vid, but there is a small stub axle attached to an adapter (I used a single screw through the center to attach my adapter where Mylow used 3 screws for his). The difference is that in his video he shows the "precision bearing" in the mount, and the axle stub adapter on the rotor. On mine, when I took it apart the bearing stayed on the stub. It's the same arrangement he used at first. My adapter is smaller?
OK, now I see what you mean about his bearing housing. His later versions show the whole thing turning--I guess the stub axle is on the bottom.Thanks for the correction! But now I've put mine on a longer shaft thru both my bearings, and it runs much smoother and even longer. I'm exploring the results of various stator magnet positions on the eddy current drag. I'll probably post a video illustrating those results soon, if I don't get too depressed. The effects are much larger than I expected.
Okay Mylow admitted to Sterling Allen that he cheated (see overunity forum). But Sterling doesn't believe him. I therefore also tested the configuration of Mylow, but found that the actual spin is best achieved from Johnsons's original claim with all positive rotor mags turned inwards. But with conductive plates and spacing: the sticky points, Whatever Bearden says about it in confimation, nobody can make it run this simple and sociopaths like Brady and Mylow play with that false hope of ours.
I guess you are a little behind. Today on Sterling's website he says that MyLOW had retracted his retraction, he says the motor is real, the MIB was actually NSA, he (MyLOW) destroyed the official document the NSA spook left with him, and Sterling has already sold 56 sets of plans at 25 dollars each for the "WORKING MAGNET MOTOR" as advertised on his website.
And did you compare the original HJ configuration spin with the spin of a wheel, weighted the same, but with no magnets at all? (Using a conductive disk, of course.) I'll bet the HJ configuration is not as good as the No-magnet configuration--because that's what I've found with actual measurements on my rig. The effect of eddy current drag is much greater than most people seem to appreciate.
These stories NSA, MIB... Well, is there one single working replica? If not, then I, as a psychologist have to say, that it is not refuted that Mylow is a sociopath playing cruelley with our hopes. I myself couldn't find any real effect, but I didn't use a conductive disc. I used contact board, synthetic stuff thus. Maybe I am in illusion and Mylow is the messenger of the ether-God Vishnu. Inscrutable are His ways, but Mylow's? Real science always needs replication to verify a claim like this.
The best I could achieve was a free run of 350 degrees with all positives of the rotor pointing inwards and the negatives outwards. But then, as usual with this kind of dsigns, the loop is closed and the machine stops. And yes, as usual without magnets the rotor spins longer.
I agree it is immoral of Sterling Allen to sell plans when there is no working replication. The Guy exploits his own unscientific belief. I don't dig that really...
You must have lots of cool tools : ) Ive been testing this setup too, we have to use intelligence here. Mylows "sweet spot" is a position of high potential energy which you "the operator" initially supply, not the magnets, so of course it goes a little ways. Unfortunately Mylow is a terrible camera man and experimenter, not to sound negative, its just the honest truth. What you see here is how real science is done. Thanks Tinselkoala, i know not everyone will understand.
Mylow pushes the bank of rotors to a point where the attractive/ propulsive force can take over. Yes, he's providing the initial energy, but Mylow's device is not a pure flywheel, the energy he initially applies is dissipated and what we're seeing is an interaction of magnetic fields. Otherwise, it would not have any sort of steady speed, it would slow down pretty quickly and eventually stop. I don't see the point of the 'experiment' in this video.
You are both totally missing the point. That's your privilege, I suppose. But it's very hard to understand why you don't want Mylow to do the same experiment with his rig. Are you afraid it might show that the device doesn't work after all?
Remember, there's no concrete proof that it runs for a long time or doesn't slow down. While you are squirming, I am gathering hard data, and I understand very well now how to quantify the separate effects of flywheel storage, eddy current dissipation, etc.
And just for the record, if you look in the video, on the table to the left, you can see a bunch of other magnets. I've tried attractive-repulsive arrangements as well as many others. The difference between my work and others is that I have actual run-down data so I can compare real results rather than subjective impressions.
The single magnet repulsive "gate" works about as well as any of them and considerably better than most--see Mylow's video.
I encourage you to do the experiment yourself. Make Mylows wheel, I have, and have achieved the same results as the other replications, it goes through a few sets then the energy you initially supplied dissipates and it stops. I know you want this to be real, so do i. Honestly go make it yourself and see. If Howard J ever got this to work, I guarantee he did it with tests just like TinselK's, thats the purpose of this video. Just keep in mind, it would not be hard to fake the videos.
hehehe, no I'm speaking out for the noobs. I tried just now, his channel was deleted yesterday, pretty much all working devices got deleted from youtube. Here are some backups.
watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk
It's a Howard Johnson apparatus. If it doesn't work he didn't build it the right way : )
Easy Free energy is hemp alcohol. Biogas is also great. Could try make a car run on water in several ways. 90% fuel savings is more than enough. Just don't tell anyone. lol
If it wasn't, surely some of those creative and intelligent people on OU would have come up with a self-running magnet motor by now. Don't you think?
Seriously, there are lots of devices all around you that depend on the "assumption" that magnetism is a conservative force. Ever heard of the "personal computer?" Within that device, there are dozens of separate components that use electromagnetism to function. These components have been engineered with that "assumption" in mind. They work.
And you appear to be talking nonsense. Transformers of all types are pretty well understood, if you look into them. If there was anything non-conservative going on in them, I think someone would have noticed by now.
Anybody who thinks gravity and EM could be non-conservative fields should attempt to explain how humans soft-landed a robot probe on Titan and sent back pictures, using physics and math that assumes conservative fields of force. I leave that as an exercise for the reader.
classical mechanics 5th edition by kibble, berkshire, page 241:
"we now wish to consider one of the most important examples of a non-conservative force. we consider a particle of charge q moving in an electric field E and a magnetic field B."
Out of context., and you should know it. Kibble would roll in his grave if he could read this thread.
Please look up "conservative force" in Wikipedia for an accessible discussion.
There is a difference between time-varying electromagnetic fields (and what is driving them) and DC or constant fields--and relative motion, and whatever energy input drives it, is the linking key.
ummm...how is this out of context? you proclaim electrodynamics conservative, i point out that it's not the case with a reference to a inprint university level physics book pointing the fact exactly. seems like you just want to weasel out. typical youtube pseudoskepticism. also tom kibble is very much alive, maybe we should email him and ask his opinion on conservative electrodynamics?
No, the context here is that magnetism is a conservative field of force. Anybody who actually reads the Wiki article, which btw mentions the controversy that you highlight, will see that in all respects that apply here, and in my previous posts, magnetism is a conservative force. You can't get work out of moving a magnetic object around a closed path in a magnetic field.
Or can you, janne808? Let's see your demonstration of non-conservative magnetism.
"Dear Professor Kibble: We've got a little controversy going on. Could you, if you've got the time, watch the videos posted by users TinselKoala and janne808 on YouTube, and let us know which set of experiments/videos you would endorse, or recommend to your laboratory classroom sessions? Thanks in advance, TK."
Yeah contacting Prof. Kibble wouldn't be such a bad idea at all, but I'm guessing I wouldn't get a response. I'd be really interested on hearing what a specialist would have to say about it.
Anyway the issue here for the 'controversy' was about non-conservative nature of electrodynamic forces. Easily verified by physics textbooks of your choice.
That's right, Gaby. I just build things, do experiments, video the results, and post the videos, so that people like you can take potshots at them. Interestingly enough, though, nobody seems to be able to disprove or refute what I am clearly showing in my various videos. I hope you've watched some of the other ones. You'd like the spontaneously rotating magnet suspended over a superconductor.
I was just pointing out you wouldn't know about it. I guess I would like to see you work at something you actually believe in. Say, a drinking bird with a Milkovic pump or an electrostatic generator. Testatika, Moray
If you want to be really discouraged, a magnetmotor can never generate enough power to earn back the resources at todays energy prices. One small magnet already costs the equivalent of 4 kwh.
60$ is 300 kwh, it looks like you need a few more parts plus wages.
I don't really see the point in demonstrating the magnetic drag of the stator on one rotor, since the drag you're measuring was not apparently enough to stop Mylow's device, which ran at a constant speed. When you say 100+ seconds, that is obviously not a reference to constant speed. The other big question is whether it actually creates extractable energy. Perhaps you'll figure that out with your build, although it seems you've already come to a conclusion.
There is absolutely no real evidence that Mylow's device runs (or ran) at constant speed. In all the videos he has shown it either obviously slows down during the run, or it is partially out of view, or the view is too short to determine anything.
I have indeed come to a conclusion. My conclusion is based on tens of years of experimentation and study, hundreds of years of historical evidence, and lots of physics and maths done by much smarter persons than me.
I'm basing my conclusion partly on what seemed to me at least to be steady constant speed, and the fact that no such device has ever been demonstrated, although from listening to you, you'd think it had. The cherry on the top for me is Myloww's clearly non-deceitful demeanor. I suspect if you were 100% sure it wouldn't run, you would not bother building it.
So you base your conclusion that magnet motors are possible, even though "no such device has ever been clearly demonstrated", based on a couple of videos, and ignoring all that stuff I mentioned? BTW, not everyone agrees about Mylow's non-deceitful manner. And I build lots of things that I don't expect to work. It's a lot more satisfying when they don't. If I expected them to work, like most of the other builders on OU, I don't think I could live with the constant unrelenting disappointment.
Also, how does a weight drop even compare to the way Mylow got his rotor spinning, by placing it in the sweet spot of the magnetic field and letting the magnets do the work? He did show the effect with no hands.
Did you actually watch my video? I showed exactly the same thing, twice. If I wanted to, I could have "balanced" the rotor on that "hill", withdrawn my hands, and in a moment or two, the rotor would slip off the "hill" and "self-start" and accelerate just exactly as Mylow's did. How does using the string to pull the wheel into position confound things? It exactly simulates the process of bringing it to the start position by hand--only repeatable. A bit faster...what, exactly is wrong with that?
That doesn't make sense, Mylow's wheel doesnt just accelerate due to the propulsive force of a single rotor reacting to the stator. Getting a stator through a bank of magnets is clearly both repulsion and attraction and is not covered in what you are trying to show in this vid. Also, your rotor is hitting the stator way faster than Mylow's.
And just why does my single arrangement push the wheel (similar mass and dimensions, right?) much further than Mylow's does in his video, if his "works" and mine doesn't?
You made me laugh with the level ;) At least you had the counter weight. In Mylows vid that I posted about his setup being off kilter, he seemed to be a shell game man. He always has your attn on the strip of metal on he rotor mags, but is pinky was in(almost) constant control of the disk .
I think he had it off balance on purpose, no counter weight( like he had before), but he just couldnt hold it together and skipped a few beats at keeping the rotor under control.
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by the way, you have a nice lab, so why dont you simply try to shild S-magnets? there are alot of way to shield a magnet, for sure the best is superconductor. so for example, if shielding doesnt cost energy (at least much lower), should a p-motion work?
RomH4ck 2 years ago
That's not my lab, that's my kitchen. My lab is too big to fit in my kitchen.
Sure, if you had a free way to shield a magnetic field, without the shield itself being attracted to the magnets, and you had a free way to move that shield back and forth, and if pigs had wings and could fly, then you could make a perpetual motion machine out of magnets. Maybe.
And if I had lots and lots of money, I'd be rich.
And if I wasn't so ugly, I'd be beautiful. And if....
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Hi, nice Test, but could you tell me why your Ushape-Magnet is placed wrong and not like on mylow-Vid?
and why you have a repulsion at 4:38 in the second direction, where mylow doesnt have it? actually this one looks like fake. sorry
RomH4ck 2 years ago
Just keep on watching my videos. Eventually you will understand. If not, I'm sorry. Actually.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
The stator makes it worse ah ha ha ha Mylow
therealtruthtold 2 years ago
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rdelos1disequade 2 years ago
I like the sound of that. Feral hogs are fun, especially the big'uns. We've got a few in East Texas still but they are getting rarer.
I'm good with dogs, not so much with grrls but I'd rather sleep with a good dog anyway. From what I see in the background it looks pretty peaceful and green. I guess the mosquitoes get used to you after a while and don't bother much, I know I'm not as tasty as I once was!!
I'm more desert than swamp but I am adaptable.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
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all you have to do is go to my vids and you will see 2 of them and youll also see that i already look pretty silly! not tryn to impress you
rdelos1disequade 2 years ago
all you have to do is go to my vids and you will see 2 of them and youll also see that i already look pretty silly! not tryn to impress you
rdelos1disequade 2 years ago
I'm glad you posted that. I'm not going to comment on how long it takes a heavy flywheel to run down, I want to ask you something else. How's the hunting up there? Do you think the local economy could support another freak with a van full of tools and the know-how to fix stuff? I think I might be needing a new place to live soon.
I wash dishes, cook, pick up my own socks, all that stuff. And I make some mean 'shine, call it "absinthe makes the tart grow fonder."
I'm serious....
TinselKoala 2 years ago
you think your so smart!!!!this is typical not trying to make it work,rather trying to prove it doesn't.I got 3 different configurations running and with just junk laying around. I think your holes in the disk is the problem here.keep trying you will get it
rdelos1disequade 2 years ago
Put up or shut up. Let's see your three different configurations running. And they better actually run, or you are going to look pretty silly.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
This is no replication of Mylar's running motor. You are using different magnets! Your's doesn't run by itself. So the title of your video is misleading!
heinzji 2 years ago
Mylow is using different magnets with each new build (eleven, or is it twelve now? I lose track.) Mylow's doesn't run itself either. So my replication is exact. The title to the video is correct, and you are simply wrong.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
your wheel is nothing like MYLows he had a balancer.. which you don't that balancer cuts magnet pushback
sspoke 2 years ago
Heck, even MyLOW's wheels aren't anything like MyLOW's at this point. Everything he tries, works.
Balancer? I'll bet you a dollar that my wheel is better balanced than his is. But we'll have to examine his wheel in person to be sure, won't we.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
exactly yours is wobbling and weights don't help they just make more friction and cause a greater pull of gravity actually your proof of his concept was flawed from the beginning when you used such a heavy huge aluminum disk was of money in my opinion could of tried this with a old record (from ebay) or something. I can't tell you another thing I noticed yours is lacking because it's part of my over-unity device and my patent is still pending.
sspoke 2 years ago
You are funny. This disk is the same dimensions and mass as mylow's. The amount of wobble in mylow's disk, or lack of it, is another clue that it is not operating like he claims.
Good luck with your patent. Please don't tell me what mine lacks.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Thanks TK. Your videos, and some of the others, help those of us not so well grounded in physics follow along. It seems as if Mylows claim to have a working motor is destined to remain just that, a claim, since ,for whatever reason, he resists having it independently verified. Maybe my wife, who is about as interested in all of t this as Mylows cat, hit the nail on the head when she said that he, Mylow, is a celebrity. Verification might end that.
dakk0001 2 years ago
As a latecomer to the Mylow magnetic motor debate, I have been trying to catch up. I was curious as to why there are significantly more revolutions without the stator. Is not this an "effect" in and of itself, albeit a negative one? Bear with me here I'm just trying to get a handle on all of this. Thanks.
dakk0001 2 years ago
It is indeed an effect. But it isn't a new effect, nor is it confined to this "motor".
The increased drag with stator installed, is almost certainly due to induced eddy current drag in the disk, via Lenz's Law. The disk is a conductor, it moves thru the field of the stator magnet, even when the magnet seems relatively far away. This induces a current, which has its own magnetic field, which opposes the original stator field. The drag slows the disk.
Any working motor must overcome this effect.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Good movement on the plate - but you don't have the asymmetry - One magnet will always be Symmetric - you need several to align the system to create the asymmetry.
SpellForth 2 years ago
Ah. I see. Thanks.
So the key to Mylow's success is subtle asymmetry of several of the same magnets (that should be samarium)? Or something...
TinselKoala 2 years ago
You have far to much vertical wobble on that rotor. which will slow it down once the magnet is in place. Get a better settup.
MrWombatPPC 2 years ago
Yowsah, massa! Anyting you say, mon.
(I'll be eagerly awaiting my paycheck from you. Since you seem to think you can tell me what to do, you must be my boss, so you will have to pay me my regular salary.)
I'm sure I already know, probably better than you, just what will happen once "the magnet" is in place.
Is your car talking back to you yet?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
haha. Actualy Yes It does Talk Back. Via a Grovey Program called VoiceFlux Pro. Voice Recognition, Luck it up, You might learn somthing New.. Ow I forgot you know everything. !! hahaha
MrWombatPPC 2 years ago
I know better than to think that a talking car is the cat's pajamas, that's for sure.
Heck, even the cash tills at the local grocery store talk.
Now, when you show me a talking cat, that will be something to talk about.
No, I don't know everything. But I know what I know and I know what I don't know... and I don't know about you.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Its funny you respond to MrWomatPPC like this with all the demands you make of Mylow does he work for you?
vonwolf666 2 years ago
I've been trying to pay him ONE THOUSAND dollars for about 2 hours work. But he won't do it. So I guess the answer is "no".
TinselKoala 2 years ago
you? clever? teach? science? an impulse by a droping weight? try a rubber ...try think how limited you are. Not even funny, desertphile is much better by a lot
Blueskyh2o 2 years ago
On the other hand, you're pretty funny. Please show how "rubber" can give a better or more repeatable starting impulse than the method that I have shown here.
I suggest you stick to Desertpile's channel, if you are learning so much from him.
You've clearly put in a lot of time on your circular SMOT train, and from the number of magnets in there, I can see that you've spent a lot of money. What does Desertpile think of your efforts?
And, have you yourself EVER gotten a configuration to work?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
I'll take that as a "NO".
TinselKoala 2 years ago
WRONG AGAIN. !!
MrWombatPPC 2 years ago
Wrong that you haven't got a magnet config to run? Well, I stand corrected then. Please share your secrets. There are a lot of people waiting to suppress you.
Oh, wait...maybe that's why you need that talking car, to tell you when they are tailing you.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
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Blueskyh2o 2 years ago
JFTR, I absolutely hate these bifurcating branching comments. Comments and replies should be in strict temporal order, IMHO. YouTube, while being nice and generous by allowing our content to make them oodles of money, has just about improved their service to beyond the point of usability, and should quit mucking about while they are ahead, from one head to another, IMHO.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
And Chris, why are you having Mike do these demonstrations while you hide in the background? You forget that I know you and how your ego works:) Just because you can't get it to work yet doesn't mean that it can't be done or hasn't already been done. I must agree that your debunking angle has a small amount of merit. I am also suspicious of Mylow, though I sadly admit it. However, you know what the truthg is. Why are you misrepresenting things? No, you know that you get no prize on this deal.
MAGNETGRUNT 2 years ago
Chris? Mike? Clearwater? Scientology and sunshine? You seem to be having a dialog with somebody in some other universe. As just about anybody can tell you, I and my laboratory are safely ensconced in a completely different country with outrageously different climate. (It snowed a bit here last week.)
Nevertheless, I am intrigued by the hints you have been dropping about your association with HJ. So you saw a running motor? How can you be _sure_ it ran, and that it wasn't hoaxed?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
So, Chirs Cotton,How is everything in sunny Clearwater these days? It appears that you might think that Mylows motor does not in fact run (which is very reasonable thought, considering) You say Howard's never ran also. I do think 'otherwise' but then I also KNOW otherwise. How do you actually KNOW about Howards motor? You weren't interested in seeing it back in '85 when invited, simply because you were afraid of being mistaken about your opinions. So, what do we owe you proof of now?
MAGNETGRUNT 2 years ago
The main thing that must be considered when looking at Mylow's motor is that unlike practically ALL of the other "motors" that have been demonstrated, his motor does indeed continue to "run". Your "Prototype" is going to turn for a longer period without the stator magnet because a single magnet will ALWAYS create drag. BUT, the ASYMMETRICAL placement of rotor magnets provides an imbalance which drives Mylow's motor. Your prototype is symmetrical, so just adding magnets wouldn't make it run....
DalevisLives 2 years ago
MyLOW's "motor" does NOT in fact "run", and never did, and neither did Howard Johnson's. Think otherwise? Then PROVE ME WRONG by showing an unequivocal video of a running MyLOW (or HJ) motor.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
So... are you saying that the patent office DIDN'T test Johnson's principles and that they granted him a patent for a device which didn't indeed work? The U.S. Patent office isn't in the business of granting patents for bogus inventions, so I would re-think my close-minded attitude in this matter. They DID indeed see Johnson's device WORK. Just because YOU haven't seen one work to your satisfaction doesn't mean it isn't a reality... Nickola Tesla's AC Current was debunked by Edison...
DalevisLives 2 years ago
That's pretty much exactly what I'm saying. First, the USPTO tests nothing. Second, what HJ finally demonstrated to the PO was a linear SMOT, not a circular, continuously running device. Third, even Tom Bearden only claims HJ's motor turned of itself "about 15 minutes", which is easily achievable by a heavy flywheel on decent bearings. Fourth, the USPTO has granted patents for such things as peanutbutterandjelly sandwiches and child's swing-pumping methods. Fifth, who's close-minded here? You...
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Interesting video. It exhibits a principle which few know about. With your analytical skills you may well be in a position to find the last three remaining secrets. This motor concept should already be finished and ready to roll but there's a lot of misconception going on about the principles of operation.
MAGNETGRUNT 2 years ago
why not move that bar away from being centered with the wheel. then set up the magnets so there is only a push from the magnet on the bar and no pull.
TSyoutubin 2 years ago
Well, for one thing, we are trying to illustrate the proper way to do control experiments on a specific setup, the MyLOW / Howard Johnson stonehenge motor, and MyLOW used the diametric bar as I have done here. But your suggestion is a fine one. Perhaps you can tell us just how to arrange the magnets so there is only a push from the magnet on the bar and no pull. It would save me a lot of time if you could draw a diagram of your exact suggested arrangement. Then I'll test it.
Thanks.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
I beleive Mylows configuration was significantly different, don't you agree? The path of his upright rotor magnets encircled the stator and therefore operated in an entirely different plane than your configuration. In your example the rotor B vectors point vertical, perpendicular to the plane of rotation and the stator points tangent. In Mylows, the B of the rotors point at the center of rotation and the stator points away from the center with both parallel to the plane of rotation. ;-)
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Sure, and I've tried it with upright rotor magnets and stator tangent, horizontally and vertically, rotors facing in and stator inside, rotors facing out and stator clear off the disk (best working, BTW), rotors on both top and bottom surfaces of the disk, stator like jaw chomping the disk, you name it, I've probably tried it.
But--my magnets and mounts allow something nobody else has tried: I can rotate the individual rotors from horizontal to vertical within a group. This works really well.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
And of course once again, the point of this video is not to display a configuration of magnets that "runs" (although you might like to explain why, if my configuration pushes the magnets farther than MyLOW's does, it isn't "just as good" or better than his); the point of the video is to demonstrate a sensitive yet easy to implement testing method that will be far better than the subjective hand-push, "Look Ma It Runs" type of "experiment" that we are so used to seeing.
How's that for a sentence?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Not bad, I think the Apostle Paul is watching admiringly.
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Excellent Demonstration.
Looking forward to the second phase of this test with all the magnets properly populated. After all, if the conservative force can cause drag in one configuration, then it can cause thrust in another ;-)
Cheers
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Sort of like when the rotor goes one way, and the eddy currents create drag, and then when the rotor goes the other way, the eddy currents create...well, they still create drag, darn it.
I've refined the apparatus muchly, and have gotten some amazing effects.
Phase Two may have to be published in the "alt-snakeoil" journal of impossible results. Hopefully I'll have it ready this weekend.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Well I guess that depends on the configuration. The aluminum is acting as a single winding inductor and therefore has a separation (90°) between voltage and current relative to time. The induced field is a product of current flow and is therefore later in the game. Naturally, to refute this, you would need to properly place the magnets instead of orienting them improperly the way you have here. Also I have serious reservations about your reaction time on that stop watch ;-)
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Re reaction time: Since I now have several tens of trials in each of the tested conditions, I can compute a standard deviation of the recorded times. This is a statistical measure of the "spread" of data, hence its reliability. The standard deviation of my timings is typically 1-5 percent of the mean, which indicates that systematic errors are largely cancelling--that is, whatever it is I'm timing, I'm timing it consistently.
I have now considerably improved the apparatus, so keep watching.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Still, I would feel better if it were a triggered clock, but that is just my detail oriented personality I guess.
I am waiting with anticipation for your improved apparatus videos :D
Cheers
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
I would be happy to try any magnet configuration you suggest on this apparatus, subject to the following constraints: There are 72 equally spaced mounting holes. I have 18 rotor magnets, Eclipse E823, and one stator magnet, General Tool horseshoe. The rotors can be mounted either on their right-angle mounts or facing upward directly on the disk, rotated however. The stator is on a sliding mount that can be oriented any whichaway you like, as long as it is suspended from the overhead bar.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Are your rotor magnets similar to Mylows, or are they the round looking one I see in this video? It seems the field shaping is important and characteristic of the rectangular magnets he uses along with the specific spacing between. You may not be able to accurately test this style of gate with your setup, I don't know. Clanzer however, looks like he has a good match - perhaps we can convince him to do some 'nut-drop' tests ;-)
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
My rotor magnets are clearly superior to MyLOW's, in that they are round and so can be rotated to other angles. I can reproduce ALL effects MyLOW has demonstrated in his videos, and more.
My current instrumentation includes a Hall-effect triggered counter (BalNroets sensor, GenRad 1192 counter), so I can get accurate RPM readings, although not instantaneous like CLaNZeR.
My data errors are orders of magnitude less than the inter-group differences: The stator magnet costs 40 percent performance.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
I like that CLaNZer's tach is able to datalog to the computer. My meter does that, but the resolution is only 1 second intervals :( So the 'Nut-Drop' becomes moot and you can compare different configs that way. As long as you sweep the RPM range you can compare timing from a given RPM to another for a particular setup. Also, you can compare energy values between different configs if you know your mass dist. and RPM. Of course for us working on our stoves, the 'Nut-Drop' test is a good ballpark.
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Well, maybe. I still think entire rundowns should be performed. Consider, for example, the effect of rotational velocity on eddy current damping. Fast disk, lots of damping, slow disk, less, still disk, no damping. It is possible that other effects could even be non-linearly related to disk velocity. So just looking at an RPM range might not capture behaviour of interest, and sweeping takes organization.
I'm all for automated data logging; even the antique GR 1191 counter has remote data out.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
When you state, 'ALL effects' - does this include the multirevolution acceleration he demonstrated?
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Of course.
Even though the analyses I have seen call into question even the phenomenology, much less the veracity, of that claim on Mylow's part.
Now, since he has not demonstrated, only claimed, the cooling of the stator magnet, I haven't yet instrumented my stator to see if it's cooling. But I will, never fear.
I don't want to play around too much unnecessarily with this device, as there is one thing I do agree with: it is a remarkably effective alnico magnet killer.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Field shaping is important!! Yep, that must be why people are trying to kill the B-field completely with permeability bands and weakened magnets, and why certain individuals have even warned AGAINST grooving the edge of the disk.
Of course, NOBODY has yet done, or at least has talked about, comparison tests like I have shown here. Why not? It only takes a few minutes--although my wheel will spin for over 7.5 minutes from a 100-RPM start, so maybe folks just don't have the time.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Do I detect a sense of sarcasm? I see the all caps and get the sense of agitation in the projected tone. I imagine this is related to a frustration that other replicators have not taken your advice in performing this test. I would like to stress to the readers that this test is only valid if the mass distribution is not changed in any way between tests. You can remove any external affector, like the stator, but you cannot change rotor mag positions or quantity as that alters the energy ratios.
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
That's right, that's why this design is so easy to test--all one needs to do to change from experimental to control condition is to remove the stator magnet, or even just emplace its keeper. Nothing whatsoever needs to be changed on the moving parts of the device.
However, I have some revealing data re changing mass distribution. Guess:
If a disk with no magnets rotates for 4min30sec, how long will it rotate with 18 x 35gram magnets on it at r=8" when started by the same 50 gram weight falling?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
You want me to 'Guess' or calculate this? Just a hunch, the more mass you add, especially around the perimeter, the more energy it will take to get it going. Evenutally the MOI will exceed the force available in the Nut and zero RPM will be obtained. Also, the added weight will increase friction on the bearing. Apart from that, any energy you store as kinetic will be expended through the friction and if those two things remain constant then the time of loss will be constant. But my guess is ...
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
... the time will be reduced do to increased drag and friction as well as slower initial RPM. As mass is added eventually the RPM < 1 and the time to travel will decrease proportionate to distance, therefore logically the rundown time decreases with additional mass because of the acceleration curve. How is that for a guess?
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Pretty good, but surprisingly, wrong, at least in the range of interest. The empty disk turns around 4:30 from the nut-drop, and the same exact disk with 18 ea. 35 gram magnets and their keepers, started with exactly the same weight drop from exactly the same height, turns 4:50 or so. (min:sec)
This surprised me, but it is quite consistent. I think it has to do with the bearing pre-load characteristic.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
That is surprising. I'd say that is almost as interesting as your views of Alsetalokin ;-) - I think 'psuedo-Freud' is still waiting to see how you respond. :D
On the serious side, you may be correct regarding the bearing friction increasing with RPM. Do you have a good torque gauge to plot that resistance curve with? I for one would be very interested in that data to map against your rundown data (which I would also like to see). What is your opinion of focused density?
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Yes, I am frustrated to the extreme. It is becoming increasingly clear that those who believe, believe absolutely, and their minds will not be sullied by logic. The staunch and daft refusal to perform the simplest control experiments that have the potential to reveal the actual behaviors of the DUTs is, to me, astounding, and the involvement of Sterling Allen in the current affair, without the least attempt at vetting, has put me off the whole affair, like a rotten tomalley in my lobster.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
"...minds will not be sullied by logic"
LOL, our minds are made up, don't confuse us with the facts! ;-)
I think Sterling has tried to vet this a bit, sending magnets and even procuring a replica that he has been experimenting with - but I agree, I've seen rotten Tamales with Enchiladas - but it's the Tequila that kills the liver ;-)
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Well, we will see (maybe) what happens in the famous "site visit" that might happen soon--but I think Mrs. MyLOW has already said no group party, maybe only a single observer will be shown the "running" wheel.
Uh-huh.
I'll bet my last paycheck that there will be no running wheel, as you and I understand it, or even probably as that "alselatokin" character understood it, shown at the time of the site visit.
And if I lose, it certainly will be my "last" paycheck.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
I know there are always variables that are constant, and constants that vary. So the best solution is to make all the variables constant and set all constants to zero. That way, there won't be any arguments.
CLaNZeR's timed rundown, or rotation count, from a given RPM is probably equivalent in accuracy to the nut-drop, and serves the same purpose, although it requires more sophisticated apparatus. Individuals will find one or the other method most suitable to their unique requirements.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
To all MyLOW replicators: set up your rotor magnets however you like, your stator(s) however you like, and do comparisons as shown in this video, and/or CLaNZeR's RPM videos, of 2 conditions: (1): MyLOW rig with stator(s); (2): Identical rig WITHOUT stator(s) installed. Start the rigs from the same neutral point using the weighted string, or spin the rig up to the same RPM each time, and time the rundowns until all rotor motion is stopped. Does ANYONE get longer runs with stators installed?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
"Does ANYONE get longer runs with stators installed?"
Not me. But my crude device is a far cry from what Mylow posted.
WhipMag 2 years ago
Several others, though, have big aluminum disks on fine bearings, and should easily be able to do the simple test I suggest.
It would require some interesting logical maneuvering to support the idea of a real working HJ/MyLOW magnet motor, if the longest-turning configuration anybody could come up with had NO stator magnet.
Wouldn't it.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Still, it seems that MyLOW is the only one who can claim a longer rundown with stator(s). Except for a tantalizing report from Sterling.
Come on, Sterling! Repeat that result, 5 times in each condition, and report it somewhere! It would really be a significant result if experimental error could be ruled out. Conventional theory says that there should be no gain at all from magnet interactions and some drag from eddys, so a longer rundown with stators would be extremely significant, IMHO.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Thanks for being YOU Mylow :) Greetings from Holland
Empirical Project Magma:
Derived from (repeatable) experiments & observations rather than a theory
Hey NWO Mafia, like NSA, I already downloaded ALL of Mylows work, spread it to over 100 sources, soon a Free Energy Conference here, give everybody a DVD of this.
We do not need to rule or have power over someone else, like you do sick parasites fighting your own (fear) demons.
Time2Free & EmPowering The People ! We are NOT your NWO-slaves !
ExomatrixTV 2 years ago
It looks like Mylow is now studying bird and cat behavior.
Impatiently awaiting further developments from the TK fringe science lab.
WhipMag 2 years ago
This replication of the mylow motor seems to be more in line with what one expects from such a device.
(video id is qF8fP5K8D1g, dont know if urls are allowed in comments) The builder has also replicated mylows lab and his voice, to some extent.
aber0der 2 years ago
I see that there are lots of MyLOW replications in progress. Has anyone tested the functioning of their wheel/gate arrangement, to compare its working with and without the stator magnet installed?
Anyone?
Can ANYONE show an aluminum wheel that runs longer with magnets on it, than it does without magnets, but weighted the same? Or even with the rotor magnets, but with and without the single stator?
I repeat: does ANYONE have a wheel that runs longer with magnets, than without, tested this way?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Any plans for an exact replica or is the specification incomplete? Otherwise great protocol and it's sad to see so few builders even start approaching such a protocol.
Tho by now the MyLOW farce seems to be over anyway.
grolgh 2 years ago
I've got some magnets that are approximately like MyLOW's, and I've arranged them every whichaway that I can think of on that disk, and on other disks, and have never seen a gain (longer rundown time than a same mass disk without magnets).
I seriously doubt if anybody else has either, if only they had real data like mine to compare.
I have found, for example, that the mere presence of the stator magnet alone in this rig subtracts about 40 percent from the rundown, by eddy current dissipation.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Have you attempted sheilding the approaching side of the stator with magnetic sheilding to reduce the drag? If you could actually reduce the drag to 0% (if thats possible) on the one side of the stator you might achieve a small push in passing of the stator in turn making perpetual motion?
digitalenigma00 2 years ago
Can you suggest a shielding material or configuration that will also not be attracted magnetically itself to the rotor magnets?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
absolutley its called synton, ok so im lying.... I wish i knew of somthing to throw out there for you, but i just hear hype on magnetic sheilding as if it can make a difference in projects like this, non the less awsome project, one hell of an attempt, im sure you did plenty of research to get where you have so kudos, to you sir!
digitalenigma00 2 years ago
Actually, yes, many people believe magnetic shielding is sort of the "holy grail" in this kind of work. Unfortunately all real shielding materials are high-permeability metals, so they are strongly attracted to the magnets. If one could make a substance that could block magnetic "lines of force" without being itself attracted, it probably still would be impossible to build a purely PM motor, but for different reasons.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Does it have to be a closed path that this field travels through? Did you ever take a look at Ed Leedskalnin's work? I'm glad you build this rotor. You should be able to investigate more, and come up with a more elaborate setup. An open mind can make things work. A closed mind will tell you how it can't work.
Wavefront101 2 years ago
I have looked at Leedskalnin's work. I'm not sure what you mean about not having to follow a closed path. In the HJ motors or MyLOWs device there's a closed path that the magnets or magnetic material follows. Sure, if you have an open loop or better yet, an energy flux, you should be able to extract some work from that. But it still has an entropic cost, so still no free lunch.
(Ed's thing for 16-year olds freaked me out; but I think he probably used levers and pulleys to move all that stuff.)
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Tinselkoala, This effect that you just demo here is similar to the Lenz law in electro-mechanical generator. N repels N and when you needed the boost N attracts S creating a brake. I believe Mylow set up is just like what you can accomplish with the lenz law that creates a cogging and eventually brake.
r123062b 2 years ago
Yes, thank you. But further research on this setup indicates that most of the losses are actually coming from the stator magnet inducing eddy currents in the rotor plate. I determined this by replacing all the rotor magnets with non-magnetic weights, and then comparing rundown times with and without stator installed. The difference in rundown times was on the order of 40 percent (!!), similar to the difference in the experiment shown here.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
So, one may conclude that the stator-rotor magnet interactions are neither helping nor hurting much (there's that pesky magnetic conservatism again) and most of the losses are from (Lenz law effects, yes) eddy current losses, and these losses, even with weak magnets, are relatively large. So I recommend that builders of magnet wheels use non-conductive material for their moving parts, as eddy current losses can subtract hugely from momentum.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
This brings up another interesting point. The homopolar effect does not depend on relative motion of the magnet and the conducting disk--the magnet can be attached to the disk and spinning with it and the homopolar generator/motor will still work. Does this mean that even the ROTOR magnets, fixed to the moving rotor disk, may be generating eddys in a conductive rotor, hence adding drag and dissipating energy as heat?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Well if the field of the rotor magnet is such it will change its field in interaction to the rotor, any effect cutting the wheel will produce counter currents.
lost10x 2 years ago
TK:
Great scientific approach as usual. Good job and thanks.
Bill
Pirate88179 2 years ago
Thanks Bill, keep watching!
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Within all the views and comments, not one Thanks, So I say ThankYou for your time and effort.
X00000013 2 years ago
Should I thank for the snotty besserwisser attitude evident in the video? Not much else is shown here. It's not even a replication of mylow's setup.
janne808 2 years ago
So give us a video rebuttal. Get some aluminum, magnets, bearings and show us how to make it work. What TK is showing is the same sort of results all the replicators are seeing so far.
PROVE HIM WRONG! ... or STFU.
WhipMag 2 years ago
Fair enough. I do have a video which I think is closely related to what is going on with this stuff. Feel free to comment.
janne808 2 years ago
What's even to prove wrong? All I'm doing is showing a test method that everybody should be using to avoid fooling themselves. (By the way, the data on eddy current drag from the stator magnet is extremely revealing and surprising, at least to me. It is far greater than one might expect.)
It would be sort of like trying to prove that left turns are wrong, or something.
Let's see some of janne808's control experiments and data gathering methodology, so we can see how it "should" be done.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
If you truly want to attack this scientificly, I suggest you study some solid state physics first and learn how to do computational physics. There are lot more variables to consider here than what you think.
janne808 2 years ago
Hmmm--I need to get a degree in SSPhysics and learn how to do computational physics (does he mean vector calculus? Differential equations? Boundary value problems? Numerical simulation modeling of turbulent flows? I dunno...) in order to tell the difference between a group of rundown times with mean 122 seconds and sd 2 seconds, and another group of times with mean 165 seconds and sd 3 seconds, with all conditions identical except for presence of stator magnet. Well, I guess I'm just SOOL then.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
well from teslas research with the first real working magnet motor, the copper disc(in the video aluminum) is very important to operation. in teslas magnet motor called the uni polar dynamo, the magnetic field passes through the copper disc and the current is taken off the edge of the disc to a resistive circuit and then back to the middle of the disc to complete the circuit. the pull of energy from the disc further enforces the magnetic field allowing more energy to be made!!look it up everyone
boxa888 2 years ago
Yes, what you are describing is Tesla's variation on the Faraday unipolar dynamo, AKA homopolar motor/generator. Tesla used spiral grooves in the disk to channel and deflect the eddy currents to improve the output, if I am interpreting correctly. However, no self-runner was achieved. What I am wondering is whether or not the mere presence of magnets on a spinning conductive disk is enough to create a homopolar dynamo/eddy current effect right on the disk. Some theory says no, some yes.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
yea no one has replicated it to date, so really we really dont know if it worked or not, teslas notes say it was self exciting suggesting a real overunity magnet motor,but someone would have to build that, i just want to make his wireless energy transfer lol. great scientific work by the way! i hope you can scientifically prove overunity! ur doing a great job!
boxa888 2 years ago
I guess huge distributed computational projects like spinhenge@home are just a waste of time too then. everyone should just send you a bunch of magnets and you can test them on your kitchen table and post the results on youtube.
janne808 2 years ago
Be sure to let us all know when spinhenge comes up with a self-running magnet motor. Or even a "gate" that makes a slight improvement in performance over no gate at all. Until then, though, perhaps you, janne, are wasting your time looking at my videos, because you clearly are incapable of learning anything from them. I don't know if it's because your cup is too full or too empty, or simply too cracked.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
It's abundantly clear that you have no idea of the importance of doing control experiments that have the potential to disprove your hypotheses. But don't feel too badly-- the entire "free energy" community is with you. That's why so many of them waste so much time and money chasing phantoms. You just go on doing the kind of work you're used to doing, and I'll just go on doing science. I doubt if the twain shall meet--until you start flaming another one of my videos, without understanding it.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
I'm not part of the free energy community.
janne808 2 years ago
I stand corrected. Sorry, didn't mean to insult. Neither am I, btw, at least not quite in that way.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Thanks, X. I appreciate it.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
The Mylow video that I have been referring to is this one:
watch?v=6COu4lY78ao
TinselKoala 2 years ago
This guy is just unbearably obnoxious.
bedpotato 2 years ago
If you are talking about lost10x, he's a friend of mine whom I respect. If you are talking about me, you can just flmp off and go do your own experiments, and report them.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
I'm obviously talking about you. You're an obnoxious creep, something you undoubtedly already know.
bedpotato 2 years ago
Maybe you should take that issue up with whoever it is that's forcing you to watch my videos. But you won't be able to comment here--because you are now blocked.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
TK the position of your magnet is wrong, and if you sit down and sketch Mylows, you will find some interesting aspects of the connect disconnect of the field interaction. Yes it is a variation of others. Would it work as shown, I have my doubts, but time will tell. A lot of folks trying to replicate this one. LOL including you it seems. A hopeful skeptic you do seem to be, or willing to go a long way to prove a point it seems.
lost10x 2 years ago
Yes, I know the positions of the magnets do not duplicate Mylow's. But the behaviour of the wheel does. There's one video where he honestly shows his wheel doing exactly what I show this one doing, only not as far. He positions it, he releases it, it goes 1/3 or 2/5 of a turn where it is about to stop, and he grabs it with his hand and repeats. If his single gate only pushes his wheel 1/3 a turn, and my single gate pushes a wheel of the same dimensions a full turn...well, you can figure it out.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
TK the question is: can enough acceleration be done in a magnet run to be able to overcome the problems? It takes a knowledge of the force needed to overcome the gate, and enough velocity gained to rotor with a magnet run.
Again a game of what equipment is available to test such with, LOL Velocity to force, and of course force needed to enter the gate.
Hence the why of magnets of Mylows set up supposedly.
lost10x 2 years ago
Well, as Double-DeckerBusNoDriverOnTheSmot keeps telling everyone, you need to get enough push out of the gate(s) to go all the way around (overcoming friction, eddy losses and skepticism) and penetrate that same gate again from the backside. Then, Bob's yer Uncle, as they say up north. But nobody's done it yet, and there are pretty good reasons why they won't be able to. What I'm showing here is an objective way to check your results, not a "magnet motor" configuration, working or not.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Another fine video. Keep up the good work, TK. Here's hoping you actually find something "interesting" through your efforts. It's nice to see a skeptic that does more than just spout the laws of thermodynamics.
WhipMag 2 years ago
Thanks. It's pretty clear that even efforts like this, which only seek to educate and could not conceivably harm anyone, still bring out the trolls. I've found a lot of interesting things already with this apparatus, and it's easy to see how folks become obsessed. There are so many variations that can be tried, and once you get started actually timing rundowns (that can be as long as 10 minutes with this wheel, unpopulated and given a good spin) the time spent diddling around does add up.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
As folks are finding the closing of the ring messes the thing up. The only thing I can see in this one is the multiple open areas may provide a keeping of the closing of the ring. I have had doubts on this one from the start. Yet it is the most fun one in some time.
I will watch the replications including yours. I have doubts yet suspect a lot of folks can learn from replication of this one.
lost10x 2 years ago
In his the bearing housing is attached to the wheel. More mass in the problem that way. Pivot is on the base.
As for the magnet runs, It can be to spacing to rotor magnet to get a bit of acelleration.
Yes this is as you showed.
lost10x 2 years ago
Hmm-I thot he showed what I have built, as far as the axle goes. It's not clear in this vid, but there is a small stub axle attached to an adapter (I used a single screw through the center to attach my adapter where Mylow used 3 screws for his). The difference is that in his video he shows the "precision bearing" in the mount, and the axle stub adapter on the rotor. On mine, when I took it apart the bearing stayed on the stub. It's the same arrangement he used at first. My adapter is smaller?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
OK, now I see what you mean about his bearing housing. His later versions show the whole thing turning--I guess the stub axle is on the bottom.Thanks for the correction! But now I've put mine on a longer shaft thru both my bearings, and it runs much smoother and even longer. I'm exploring the results of various stator magnet positions on the eddy current drag. I'll probably post a video illustrating those results soon, if I don't get too depressed. The effects are much larger than I expected.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Okay Mylow admitted to Sterling Allen that he cheated (see overunity forum). But Sterling doesn't believe him. I therefore also tested the configuration of Mylow, but found that the actual spin is best achieved from Johnsons's original claim with all positive rotor mags turned inwards. But with conductive plates and spacing: the sticky points, Whatever Bearden says about it in confimation, nobody can make it run this simple and sociopaths like Brady and Mylow play with that false hope of ours.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
I guess you are a little behind. Today on Sterling's website he says that MyLOW had retracted his retraction, he says the motor is real, the MIB was actually NSA, he (MyLOW) destroyed the official document the NSA spook left with him, and Sterling has already sold 56 sets of plans at 25 dollars each for the "WORKING MAGNET MOTOR" as advertised on his website.
Who will be the first to sue?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
And did you compare the original HJ configuration spin with the spin of a wheel, weighted the same, but with no magnets at all? (Using a conductive disk, of course.) I'll bet the HJ configuration is not as good as the No-magnet configuration--because that's what I've found with actual measurements on my rig. The effect of eddy current drag is much greater than most people seem to appreciate.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
These stories NSA, MIB... Well, is there one single working replica? If not, then I, as a psychologist have to say, that it is not refuted that Mylow is a sociopath playing cruelley with our hopes. I myself couldn't find any real effect, but I didn't use a conductive disc. I used contact board, synthetic stuff thus. Maybe I am in illusion and Mylow is the messenger of the ether-God Vishnu. Inscrutable are His ways, but Mylow's? Real science always needs replication to verify a claim like this.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
The best I could achieve was a free run of 350 degrees with all positives of the rotor pointing inwards and the negatives outwards. But then, as usual with this kind of dsigns, the loop is closed and the machine stops. And yes, as usual without magnets the rotor spins longer.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
I agree it is immoral of Sterling Allen to sell plans when there is no working replication. The Guy exploits his own unscientific belief. I don't dig that really...
anandaadhar 2 years ago
You must have lots of cool tools : ) Ive been testing this setup too, we have to use intelligence here. Mylows "sweet spot" is a position of high potential energy which you "the operator" initially supply, not the magnets, so of course it goes a little ways. Unfortunately Mylow is a terrible camera man and experimenter, not to sound negative, its just the honest truth. What you see here is how real science is done. Thanks Tinselkoala, i know not everyone will understand.
codygillespie 2 years ago
Mylow pushes the bank of rotors to a point where the attractive/ propulsive force can take over. Yes, he's providing the initial energy, but Mylow's device is not a pure flywheel, the energy he initially applies is dissipated and what we're seeing is an interaction of magnetic fields. Otherwise, it would not have any sort of steady speed, it would slow down pretty quickly and eventually stop. I don't see the point of the 'experiment' in this video.
bedpotato 2 years ago
I agree. The whole setup is totally differrent for starters.
janne808 2 years ago
You are both totally missing the point. That's your privilege, I suppose. But it's very hard to understand why you don't want Mylow to do the same experiment with his rig. Are you afraid it might show that the device doesn't work after all?
Remember, there's no concrete proof that it runs for a long time or doesn't slow down. While you are squirming, I am gathering hard data, and I understand very well now how to quantify the separate effects of flywheel storage, eddy current dissipation, etc.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
And just for the record, if you look in the video, on the table to the left, you can see a bunch of other magnets. I've tried attractive-repulsive arrangements as well as many others. The difference between my work and others is that I have actual run-down data so I can compare real results rather than subjective impressions.
The single magnet repulsive "gate" works about as well as any of them and considerably better than most--see Mylow's video.
That, in fact, is part of what I'm showing here.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
I encourage you to do the experiment yourself. Make Mylows wheel, I have, and have achieved the same results as the other replications, it goes through a few sets then the energy you initially supplied dissipates and it stops. I know you want this to be real, so do i. Honestly go make it yourself and see. If Howard J ever got this to work, I guarantee he did it with tests just like TinselK's, thats the purpose of this video. Just keep in mind, it would not be hard to fake the videos.
codygillespie 2 years ago
you should link to the video you are talking about. I mean, who is milo? Was he on the Tee Vee?
gabydewilde 2 years ago
What are you, some kind of noob? It's spelled MyLOW, and any search engine will help you to know more.
But seriously, Gaby, you've already invented this motor long ago; I'm sure it's on your site somewhere.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
hehehe, no I'm speaking out for the noobs. I tried just now, his channel was deleted yesterday, pretty much all working devices got deleted from youtube. Here are some backups.
watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk
It's a Howard Johnson apparatus. If it doesn't work he didn't build it the right way : )
Easy Free energy is hemp alcohol. Biogas is also great. Could try make a car run on water in several ways. 90% fuel savings is more than enough. Just don't tell anyone. lol
gabydewilde 2 years ago
"magnetism is a conserved force." how do you know?
janne808 2 years ago
If it wasn't, surely some of those creative and intelligent people on OU would have come up with a self-running magnet motor by now. Don't you think?
Seriously, there are lots of devices all around you that depend on the "assumption" that magnetism is a conservative force. Ever heard of the "personal computer?" Within that device, there are dozens of separate components that use electromagnetism to function. These components have been engineered with that "assumption" in mind. They work.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
you wouldn't know about any devices.
gabydewilde 2 years ago
you're talking about electrodynamics, which is inherently non-conservative.
janne808 2 years ago
And you appear to be talking nonsense. Transformers of all types are pretty well understood, if you look into them. If there was anything non-conservative going on in them, I think someone would have noticed by now.
Anybody who thinks gravity and EM could be non-conservative fields should attempt to explain how humans soft-landed a robot probe on Titan and sent back pictures, using physics and math that assumes conservative fields of force. I leave that as an exercise for the reader.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
classical mechanics 5th edition by kibble, berkshire, page 241:
"we now wish to consider one of the most important examples of a non-conservative force. we consider a particle of charge q moving in an electric field E and a magnetic field B."
janne808 2 years ago
Out of context., and you should know it. Kibble would roll in his grave if he could read this thread.
Please look up "conservative force" in Wikipedia for an accessible discussion.
There is a difference between time-varying electromagnetic fields (and what is driving them) and DC or constant fields--and relative motion, and whatever energy input drives it, is the linking key.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
ummm...how is this out of context? you proclaim electrodynamics conservative, i point out that it's not the case with a reference to a inprint university level physics book pointing the fact exactly. seems like you just want to weasel out. typical youtube pseudoskepticism. also tom kibble is very much alive, maybe we should email him and ask his opinion on conservative electrodynamics?
janne808 2 years ago
and just to make things REALLY FUCKING CLEAR, the context here is if electrodynamics is non-conservative or not.
janne808 2 years ago
the f word is a no no
X00000013 2 years ago
No, the context here is that magnetism is a conservative field of force. Anybody who actually reads the Wiki article, which btw mentions the controversy that you highlight, will see that in all respects that apply here, and in my previous posts, magnetism is a conservative force. You can't get work out of moving a magnetic object around a closed path in a magnetic field.
Or can you, janne808? Let's see your demonstration of non-conservative magnetism.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Now we're getting somewhere.
"Dear Professor Kibble: We've got a little controversy going on. Could you, if you've got the time, watch the videos posted by users TinselKoala and janne808 on YouTube, and let us know which set of experiments/videos you would endorse, or recommend to your laboratory classroom sessions? Thanks in advance, TK."
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Yeah contacting Prof. Kibble wouldn't be such a bad idea at all, but I'm guessing I wouldn't get a response. I'd be really interested on hearing what a specialist would have to say about it.
Anyway the issue here for the 'controversy' was about non-conservative nature of electrodynamic forces. Easily verified by physics textbooks of your choice.
janne808 2 years ago
That's right, Gaby. I just build things, do experiments, video the results, and post the videos, so that people like you can take potshots at them. Interestingly enough, though, nobody seems to be able to disprove or refute what I am clearly showing in my various videos. I hope you've watched some of the other ones. You'd like the spontaneously rotating magnet suspended over a superconductor.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
I was just pointing out you wouldn't know about it. I guess I would like to see you work at something you actually believe in. Say, a drinking bird with a Milkovic pump or an electrostatic generator. Testatika, Moray
If you want to be really discouraged, a magnetmotor can never generate enough power to earn back the resources at todays energy prices. One small magnet already costs the equivalent of 4 kwh.
60$ is 300 kwh, it looks like you need a few more parts plus wages.
gabydewilde 2 years ago
I don't really see the point in demonstrating the magnetic drag of the stator on one rotor, since the drag you're measuring was not apparently enough to stop Mylow's device, which ran at a constant speed. When you say 100+ seconds, that is obviously not a reference to constant speed. The other big question is whether it actually creates extractable energy. Perhaps you'll figure that out with your build, although it seems you've already come to a conclusion.
bedpotato 2 years ago
There is absolutely no real evidence that Mylow's device runs (or ran) at constant speed. In all the videos he has shown it either obviously slows down during the run, or it is partially out of view, or the view is too short to determine anything.
I have indeed come to a conclusion. My conclusion is based on tens of years of experimentation and study, hundreds of years of historical evidence, and lots of physics and maths done by much smarter persons than me.
What's your conclusion based upon?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
I'm basing my conclusion partly on what seemed to me at least to be steady constant speed, and the fact that no such device has ever been demonstrated, although from listening to you, you'd think it had. The cherry on the top for me is Myloww's clearly non-deceitful demeanor. I suspect if you were 100% sure it wouldn't run, you would not bother building it.
bedpotato 2 years ago
So you base your conclusion that magnet motors are possible, even though "no such device has ever been clearly demonstrated", based on a couple of videos, and ignoring all that stuff I mentioned? BTW, not everyone agrees about Mylow's non-deceitful manner. And I build lots of things that I don't expect to work. It's a lot more satisfying when they don't. If I expected them to work, like most of the other builders on OU, I don't think I could live with the constant unrelenting disappointment.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
Also, how does a weight drop even compare to the way Mylow got his rotor spinning, by placing it in the sweet spot of the magnetic field and letting the magnets do the work? He did show the effect with no hands.
bedpotato 2 years ago
Did you actually watch my video? I showed exactly the same thing, twice. If I wanted to, I could have "balanced" the rotor on that "hill", withdrawn my hands, and in a moment or two, the rotor would slip off the "hill" and "self-start" and accelerate just exactly as Mylow's did. How does using the string to pull the wheel into position confound things? It exactly simulates the process of bringing it to the start position by hand--only repeatable. A bit faster...what, exactly is wrong with that?
TinselKoala 2 years ago
That doesn't make sense, Mylow's wheel doesnt just accelerate due to the propulsive force of a single rotor reacting to the stator. Getting a stator through a bank of magnets is clearly both repulsion and attraction and is not covered in what you are trying to show in this vid. Also, your rotor is hitting the stator way faster than Mylow's.
bedpotato 2 years ago
Until it slows down, that is--
And just why does my single arrangement push the wheel (similar mass and dimensions, right?) much further than Mylow's does in his video, if his "works" and mine doesn't?
You're the one not making sense.
TinselKoala 2 years ago
You made me laugh with the level ;) At least you had the counter weight. In Mylows vid that I posted about his setup being off kilter, he seemed to be a shell game man. He always has your attn on the strip of metal on he rotor mags, but is pinky was in(almost) constant control of the disk .
I think he had it off balance on purpose, no counter weight( like he had before), but he just couldnt hold it together and skipped a few beats at keeping the rotor under control.
Nice vid.
Magluvin 2 years ago