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  • Ты становишься самой тишиной,самой свободой,состраданием,"делай то что ты хочешь,я не говорю тебе делай то и не делай это",вот тогда ты инкарнация тишины. Все являются инкарнацией тишины,только они не знают об этом. И поэтому я хочу что бы вы поняли что вы уже есть Это,я не создаю ничего нового. Вы уже являетесь этим.Если кто то скажет вам что сделает вам просветленными не верьте ему. Я говорю ты уже есть Это.

  • Твоя природа тишина,ты играешь из этой тишины,ты пришел из этой тишины,и ты должен будешь вернуться в эту тишину,твой танец на короткое время.Немного времени ты танцуешь,и этот танец также закончится тишиной.Как долго может длиться танец?И этот танец -незнание.Танцуйте, но наблюдайте ,знайте,что это благодаря тишине вы танцуете,вот тогда вы сможете танцевать также и радоваться также.Вы можете прекрасно играть в эту игру,но только не в незнании."Я делаю это,я сделал это",это называется незнанием

  • beautiful

  • Papaji YOU ARE THE MAN!

  • Simple and plain.

    You are already that.

    We create the drama. The story. The Maya.

    This idea needs to be reinforced every moment.

    If you think abt it, it makes sense. How can anyone be bad.. I mean bad by nature. Nobody can be. They think they are and commit things bad. If only we think... that we are all good by nature but are blided by our own drama and stories we can become what we already are which is the highest Self.

    Papajee is so loving... Thanks for posting brother.

  • sufferring seems to be the arrogance i feel in my throat thinking that i can some how find this place of total silence, the search is completely hopeless lol

  • He is hard core...!

  • Dear Tech Light: Thanks for your reply. You are right that many of the gurus knew these things well. Ramakrishna had no problem being extremely close to God and very enlightened, although, from a western perspective, he was often said to be very neurotic and often anxious. To me, those qualities added beauty to his character. Enlightenment of salvation or nirvana has been wrong stereotyped as something from smooth, confident types.

  • did he say at the end..your already dead!

  • I tell you, you are That itself.

  • I admire that you spoke of your anxiety etc., melvinbrand, it was refreshing to hear that something which is rarely and generally hidden away under the rug as abnormal in each person's perfectlyly little appearing world. In fact i think most people 90% suffer from these symptoms themselves or are living in denial. I have experienced likewise feelings -but also it is said by some great gurus that to become close to God you must first become mad! HARI OM.

  • I am living evidence that a person can be perfectly insane and anxious and depressed in virtually every way and still feel peace underneath it all. My mental illnesses seem virtually incurable, after decades of treatment getting almost exactly nowhere. Also, given our experience, it seems that there is no future cure in sight. And so, while totally anxious, totally depressed, and totally paranoid, I still also experience that I'm an incarnation of peace.  Cheers to Papaji.

    Mel C. Thompson.

  • Your egoism, Jaimetrue. It prevents you from seeing that human personality consists of many layers. One layer may be quite different from the other.

    Logic enhances our sense of ego. So, we hold on to logic tightly & give it unnecessary value. The aim of the universe is not to help us reinforce our egos. So, the universe does not value logic & does not conform to it. Humans must discard this crude, primitive tool called logic & learn to see reality as it is.

  • yeah!

  • I agree that I contradict myself. Logical consistency wasa roadblock for me. I was always trying to fit my thinking into a system of logic, which is an interesting pass-time. Sadly, I discovered that universe somehow wouldn't go along with my logic, in fact, it reserved the right to contradict itself at will. In the end, I saw I have zero control, which is good, since the universe is perfect as it is, which includes my getting angry and calling it imperfect. Everything's included.

  • @melvinbrand Melvin at least you're aware of your situation and accept it as it is. Silence is the cure for everything and remember what Papaji said, that we came from silence and we will return to silence. I wish you the best in everything my friend :)

  • @melvinbrand dO YOU TAKE ANTIDEPRESSANTS? SOME HAVE A THEORY THAT IF YOU DO YOU CANNOT FIND PEACE BECAUSE IT NUMBS YOU TOO MUCH.

  • @TheJerseyGrl

    Hi Jersey Girl: I used to take antidepressants and other psych meds daily. But now I prefer to take then rarely, as little as possible. I find that they both hurt my health and erase personality in me. It is better to chant or pray or meditate when I'm anxious or depressed. I also quit using caffeine and alcohol on a regular basis and now only rarely take them. Basically, most days I don't use anything to try to change my mind.

  • @melvinbrand I think what made me decide was something I read on the net that Eckard tolle had said. That was that it was all the mental pain that finally got him to awaken, if he had been numb he would not of awaken. But on the flip side their are lots of people that live and die being tortured by their minds and never awaken. So who know? I gave up caffeine last year and have never drank so those are not it.

  • @TheJerseyGrl

    I feel like most of the time doing alcohol, meds and caffeine is just postponing dealing with the feelings. So I do talk therapy a lot, yoga, walking, poetry, reading, other hobbies, trying to experience things more directly, instead of through the shield of mind-altering substances.

  • @melvinbrand Off of the antidepressants the mind is just so much more active and mean. It comes up with dread and torment and worries about everything. When I was on the antidepressants I was numb could not cry, no sex drive, and the mind was more quiet. But I thought maybe if I can live like that, for awhile. It took me 6 months to wean myself off of AD so I dont want to rush back in.But it is difficult I wish my mind would just shut up..lol

  • @TheJerseyGrl

    I totally understand those dilemmas. For sure everyone's body and mind chemistry are so different. That's why, finally, each person is the ultimate decision maker about these matters. There definitely were times where I had to be heavily sedated or I simply would not have survived. I do believe in trying to survive, and sometimes meds are the only way. What I am doing is very, very risky, so it cannot be said to be advisable. However, I wanted to take this risk.

  • @melvinbrand I cant believe I actually read that, its like I wrote it, every word I can totally empathise with, Namaste  :)

  • @ukmaggot It's all risky. Finally, no authority can choose for us. Even when I go for surgeries, the messages are all saying that there's no guarantees in any direction and risks in all directions. We need to hire specialists from time to time, but at last they will insist that we give the order to go ahead or not. Some situations are so conflicting, and so many contradictory answers exist, that we really must not be hard on ourselves when we guess wrong.

  • @melvinbrand .....namaste Mel....thank you for your sharing....lifted my being to read your post....peace....

  • peace bro

  • Great message!

  • I love you Papaji. I can feel the silence within with your words. The voice of silence says it all.We are ONE!!!

  • This is fine and good, but what when you have become crippled or burned and you suffer from not only the illness, but the worlds rejection for many years. Email me and tell me where to look.

  • read "I am that" by Nissargadatta Maharaj, and u will see that the body is not so important. as long as u have a sane and logical mental ability, there is always hope.

    cheers.

  • Even when you don't have a 'sane and logical mental ability' as you say, it is still possible. Because this 'thing' is underneath it all.

    I remember when my grandma was dying, she became quite demented. Before that poeple didn't like her very much because she was very arrogant and imposing. But when the mind was giving up something from underneath started to shine.. Soemthing very warm and loving in her eyes. I remember she looked at me and said that I am beautiful. Wonderful!

  • yes, i have heard of similar things. my grandmother also was in a different state the last 3 days of her life.

    but as a general rule, sanity and logic is definetly needed on the spiritual path.

    but my reply was to "tellthetruth81" i was trying to cheer him up by letting him know that a crippled body shouldn't be hindering him from acquiring self realisation.

  • Yeah, I get you. :-)

  • pain is pain and it sucks. either wait for another life or practice with what you have to work with. .its fkin hard belive me but the reward is ...big

  • Oh yes, I should have mentioned that I'm crippled, (leg crushed in motorcycle accident), and also born with multiple birth defects and plus and half deaf with a dozen odd other diseases. These all drives me nuts. And I can't say that I'm sane, but I can say that there is something beyond the mind and body. This does not mean I'm happy, in the normal sense. In fact, to know me is to be aware of my constant misery, and yet somehow there is still peace. It's not logical.

  • @melvinbrand I guess that is what it is all about to see the misery but do not identify with it. I am trying to do that but it is not easy.

  • @TheJerseyGrl I know a concentration excercise that will help you find inner peace and quite the mind, using passive-aggression. Let me know if you are interested.

  • @melvinbrand

    you are not alone brother.

  • @melvinbrand

    you are not alone brother.

  • @angelaura1226 Thanks. Hari Om Namah Shivaya.

  • @melvinbrand: byootiful melvin. Thanks for sharing :)

  • @melvinbrand Dearest Mel, in your two comments, you say "I" quite a lot - to what do you refer???

    Are you this crippled body?

    Are you these thoughts or emotions???

    When you say "I", what are you referring to?

    om shanti

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  • @melvinbrand Papaji and Gangaji radiated compassion, unlike the Fundmentalist Advaita that took over. So that whenever anyone, now, talks about their experience, they get hit back with this, "Who is having feelings? Who is worried," and the people that do this are always insanely egotistical and basically start to alienate others. True, I've got ego problems, but people who are very worried about my ego are usually even more lost in their ego.

  • @melvinbrand If you don't like the Who / What question, how about this one? You say that 'despite' all the conditions of your life, there is still a peace underneath it...

    where does this peace come from? does it come from outside you, or inside you?

    I don't know which teachers you are labelling as 'Fundamentalist Advaita', but its irrelevant - if you like Gangaji, great; check out Mooji & the 'Abide as the Self' video about Ramana which is on youtube. Ramana's comments on Surrender are lovely!

  • @GKSireland Aidvata Fundamentalists think that compassion consists of them asking people "Who is feeling upset right now? Who is feeling hurt right now? Who is jealous right now?" When people go to a guru, they are ready to work with that. But when they're turning to a friend, they don't want an Advaita guru cross-examination. For instance, your statement, "I notice you use the word 'I' a lot," is really the typical kind of invasive thing I think sucks about your trip.

  • @melvinbrand laughs! fair enough! & thank you so much for making unpleasant comments about a person whom you know nothing about - compassion in an action I guess! ;)

    However - as you & I may both agree - the universe is as it is & so, I wish you well on your journey.

  • @GKSireland Nah! I have a Fundamentalist Advaita friend who tries this aggressive pop psychology on me. Odd thing is, he himself is so lost in egotism that it's crazy. There's a whole cottage industry now of therapists who must treat Fundamentalist Advaita people, because they end up alienating everyone and losing touch with their feelings and humanity. Papaji and Gangaji were the real deal, the aggressive, intolerant crowd of Advaita preachers that came after are annoying.

  • @melvinbrand Hiya Mel, the styles of the various teachers are down to preference & whether you feel a 'connection' to them or not. Mooji is very warm & fuzzy - he always "honours" people's emotions, but he still pushes them gently back to the question of Who / What is experiencing the experience.

    This question doesn't invalidate any experiences - it simply asks what is behind them? We assume we know what 'I' is, this is simply an invitation to investigate this assumption to see if its correct

  • @GKSireland What the amateurs after Papaji and Gangaji don't get is that non-dual includes the whole range of emotions. Papaji and Gangaji had a style where they really had a touch with people. The crowd after them comes off a lot as pushy jerks, and heartless too. This hardball-playing line of questioning doesn't help anyone. That's why, Gangaji broke with the Advaita label, because it got associated with this cold cross-examination style of "teaching," which, in the end is just bullying.

  • @GKSireland One of the signs of Advaita Fundamentalism is forcing uninvited amateur life-coaching on people who didn't ask for it, or specifically asked it not be given. I have my own priests, psychologists, gurus and coaches. When I need their services, I seek them out. The problem with Fundamentalist Advaita is that the self-appointed life coaches start forcing this line of questioning on people and finally lose all compassion.

  • @melvinbrand I can see what you may mean - I suppose my response may be - that perhaps you're right to a degree. I think Fundamentalist is a rather - unnecessarily - pejorative term. I can only speak for myself - but there are so few people who have encountered Advaita as a teaching, that, when one meets one - it feels natural to share with them - on the assumption that we're on the same trip.

    I think Advaita Enthusiast would be more warm hearted.

  • @melvinbrand In my case, I OFFERED the question - with the experience behind me - that investigating this question helps relieve the suffering which I experience. 4 me, its an ongoing, inconsistent effort 2 turn back 2wards what I have somehow 4gotten. I don't view the Ego as a bad thing - as it seems to be part of the human condition - but, at the same time, I do like to try to return to the place where its no particularly significant... - which is easier said than done.

    I wish you well. <3<3<3

  • @melvinbrand There was 7 references to the story of "me". Take notice that is all :-)

  • @whateveristruth This is the typical arrogant style of self-appointed life-coaches and uninvited gurus. One of the great fraudulent techniques of Advaita Fundamentalists and other self-appointed gurus and unwanted life-coaches is that they love to paint others as egotists, as though they themselves, the ones who are arrogantly pushing un-asked-for advice on others are not ego-freaks themselves.

  • @melvinbrand This new breed of life coaches is always on the lookout for anyone hurting and in pain, and if they can draw them out and get them to talk about their pain, then they start in with the ice-cold, "But who is in pain." And yes, the old line, "Do you notice how much you say 'I'?" - - that technique is as old as the hills. Sorry dude, your trip is cold and mean. I've seen all that rehashed garbage before.

  • @melvinbrand LOL You are correct and your reply has obviously put me in "your" place . Happy days :-)

  • @melvinbrand you sound pretty sane to me!

  • To dance is NOT arrogance, because arrogance is nothing what you can be, but only what THEM can see,. Be your self. Dance and Live TODAY :)

  • Obviously you have not really listened to what was been pointed to but only your reaction.Listen again with a quiet mind and you will get what is being said without your confusion

  • I love you Papaji

  • "THIS IS IT". We are here to experience 'thought', to feel thought through these bodys. Simply be aware of what or who is thinking to know freedom.

  • very nicely said applaud

  • dito

  • I have become silence itself but at times I get to dance because I choose too. This path I have walked has been truly rewarding. My reward is ascension. Love and highest vibes to all!

    All is well.

  • I don't get it

  • When we, as a practise, start to pay attention to the silence that we already are, we are becoming increasingly aware that it is our inherent nature.

  • That is exactly it.

  • theres no thing to get, a tree is a tree, ocean is ocean, ocean can't suddenly discover the ocean bacause it is it self, ocean already. You are NOW free, light, same as THAT which is called consciousness. Breathe in this present moment, Now is all there is an you are it.

  • he makes wnderful sense to me...........peace and thanx bb

  • He was a jewel of a human being... when I turn my attention inwards to source, I realise that the consciousness he lived from also suffuses "me".... his beauty and mine are not separate... none of us are separate...thank you for posting

  • Awareness itself.....

  • If you want to go with the light you have to find your own way to yourself... Papa...thank you... God bless you

  • I love Swami's

  • thank you for all these videos.

  • very good

  • ALWAYS THE BEST!

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