And in my very humble opinion, Frederick wouldn't even propose it. Gentlemen were not expected to be chaste, but they were expected to visit brothels instead of seducing gentlewomen. Not that it wasn't done, but it was a scandalous, huge deal if it was. So I think Austen would have told us about it. And Eleanor wouldn't pass something like that with "oh, she'll be over it". It's not a matter of getting over it, it's a matter of losing respectability and chances of financial security (marriage).
Isabella probably didn't have the morals not to sleep with a man, but she wouldn't do it because it would ruin the most important thing to her: her chances at the marriage market.
@RiceBunie Read my post again. In Mansfield and P&P, Austen told us about it because it was such a huge deal. And nobody passed it with "oh, they'll be over it".
Isabella got her comeuppance, but I do feel for her a bit; as other comments have noted she's now damaged goods and any hope of her marrying into money are almost certainly dashed.
Got to give credit to Mulligan for a fine performance here - the "are we engaged line" and subsequent look on her face just perfectly show Isabella's devastation of what she's done, and the look on her face when she's frantically writing the letter to Catherine - she knows she's done.
Isabella is no fool. This wouldn't have happened: she would have kept using the lure of sex until AFTER he was married to her. She was a fortune-hunter, but NOT a lack-wit.
@lijluvr356 Not to argue but Fredrick was after the conquest. You can believe he had other women that would take care of his needs. What you say would work if he cared but he didn't. Totally viscious to do this to a girl who had nothing but her virginity to offer in a marriage. She wouldn't listen to anyone who tried to save her. Flattered to attract F. I think the syblings were raised to make the wealthiest marriages they could. He would have never offered her marriage but Is didn't know.
Good point, I think. In the book she was pretty conceited and not too clever. It's difficult to tell whether book-Isabella had enough morals not to sleep with a man, but I think she surely would be a bit too clever for it; she would have known that the chances of F. marrying her would drop like a stone. More importantly: J.A. tends to tread her characters, even bad ones, a lot more kindly than other authors of her time. This "nehnehneh, you are used and ruined" just doesn't fit.
@iheartjesus87 Her heart's not broken. She has no heart. She immediately turns to reparing the damage she's done to Catherine's brother by writing to C to try to get her dupe(so she thinks) to get her to fix it! She on to the next chance. I see nothing that proves she's sorry at all. Do you? She's willing to distroy C's brother now. She could be pregnant too and knows that so she's hurrying. No offense meant here Iheart. There are people like that.
@luna4ever36 yeah she slept with him and so he left her and he pretty much ruined her chances of getting married because it wasn't proper for a woman to have sex before marriage.
its not just embarrassing that Catherine got thrown out in the middle of the night, it is also very dangerous. She had to get public transport all the way home in the middle of the night!
@ StageIsMyLife & anatinoni, I completely agree with both of you. One of my pet peeves is improper grammar. I seem to be one of the few who enjoy "laboring" through such long books like Lord of the Rings, Pride and Prejudice, and Northanger Abbey. XD
no kidding! what shame. thats low though... in the end its becuase of her lack of fortune right? he thought she was "good" company because of her wealth but.... on the contrary.
That was so cruel, I always turn down the volume on that scene. Isabella might have hurt Catherine's brother, but she hasn't ruined his chances to ever be married. There's no hint of her having sex with Captain Tilney in the book and the scene seems gratuitious to me.
@RabiaB i think at the time it would have been considered very dishonourable, especially for a woman. perhaps it wouldn't have been so bad if she had just left james, but the fact she moved onto another man, and the scandal with that, made it all the worse i think.
I'm aware of the moral ideas of that time and surely Captain Tilney would have thought that it just served Isabella right. Similar for most people of Jane Austen's time. But Jane Austen didn't write anything like this: neither a sexual relationship between the two nor Isabella being ruined for ever. Adding a scene which ruins marriage chances is vicious and malevolent, and because that is very unlike Jane Austen it distorts the mood of the story. It just doesn't fit. IMO, that is.
@RabiaB I too think that the addition of that scene was unnecessary, as it really didn't serve any purpose, other than make the viewer feel that Isabella had got what she deserved in the end, which I agree doesn't really add anything to the story.
I always think of Jane Austen as a kind woman even if she can be very ironic and shrewd. I like how she dealt with Lydia Bennet from Pride and Prejudice: she had gotten herself into trouble but then none of her parents had bothered to teach her - her mother told her to have fun with the officers & her father that she's silly. Some education!
I like how Auten gave her a much more happy ending than moralists of Austens time would have done (dead, prostitute or outcast).
reading the work of Jane Austen can be very refreshing in that respect :) it's one of the reasons I enjoy reading it so much! I have always held a certain affection for Lydia Bennet, especially how she was portrayed in the 2005 version.
@RabiaB Never thought about it but you're right. She wouldn't have approved. The film industry does this, thinking it will sell a few more tickets. They don't have many morals. I don't think the Captain would have cared in any fashion what became of her because he only thought of himself. A girl like this was disposable(sp). He already had a reputation but his future was assured so no big woop. Most men don't think badly of other men that do this. The tv program, "2 1/2 men" proves it.
Looks like there's a fashion to add sex to Jane Austen movies - silly; if I want to see sex there's plenty of movies for that. I don't like "2 1/2 men" because the idea of womanizer being cool & impressive is so stupid & outdated; I can't enjoy the show. But it's a modern story, the women there know what they're doing & don't ruin their entire lives in one night. J.A. would never tread an affair like this - look at W.'s affair with a "good girl" in Sense&Sensibility. Total scandal!
isabella's clothing is rather revealing while she's writing that letter to catherine at 2:03... especially after she's slept with captn tilney and has no engagement ring to show of it
I'd marry James...:( Obviously he chose a nasty woman for a wife, but I believe that to be a result of his trusting nature. He was probably too enthralled with her to notice her bad side.
ahha..I'm reading Jane Austen's novels and I feel like talking like that all the time..ahahah..I think my friends think I'm getting a little insane!!ahah
I tend to write in the tone and form for a while after I've read or watched too many of these movies. :) It's a lost art. Speaking use to be so beautiful. Now chat speak and loss of grammar has taken hold of the world. :( So depressing.
@StageIsMyLife I agree with you 100%. I'm taking my MA in English Literature and I've found so much beauty in it that when I look at the way we speak and write today, I just want to get back to my books..
Yes and no. Language is always changing, and there are always complains about "proper" language being lost. Just remember Tilney's mocking about the word "nice"!
Netspeak shouldn't be the measure of today's language. It's not as if the language Jane Austen used was an example of how the average woman of her time talked. In her time, you could have heard expressions in some streets in London that would make your ears glow.
Miss Thorpes best chance for marriage after Bath would be in the Americas where no one knows her, as her reputation would have spread like wildfire in english society and she would have no chance in finding anyone half decent then.
1) I am assuming from the sister's "she will be over it soon enough" remark that Isabella was already well versed in the "Victorian dating system"
2) Was a uber slut (not to mention "such an easy conquest"), that's why only a nice dope like Frederick wanted her, all the rest of the men knew she was trash
3) She read nasty, dirty filthy novels and relished in dirty lives/lifestyles...most hoochies do, can't explain it
ha ha ha - 1) I caught that too - I think u r right. 2) I totally felt sorry for Frederick. Wish he could have had a happy ending too. 3) Harlequin Romance was made for girls like her.
Why don't you go to war if I don't :) Then pretend like it never happened to avoid the inevitable, "Idiocrats can't think that far ahead", messy consequence
I should like to think that this mister Tinley fellow had better pay our dearest Catherine a call after the horrid way the General treated her. Oh tis just dreadful to think of that day:(
I think this is the best of jane coz it is in some ways different from the other stories she ever wrote. The others are very great but it seems we are so familiar with them and understand the characters so well....this piques our interest than the others (if u have watched or read others already)...just my opinion.....:))
How can he command to send away Catherine in the middle of the night and that for a human reason! Is Pride forbit him to treat catherin any longer as an valuabel gest...
@frankieweaslyyeah A fool knows wen they are doing something stupid and does it anyway. She was native enough to bet that Fredrick would be honorable and marry her because she slept with him. She misread him. We get ourselves into bad situations that we know we should pull ourselves out of but we don't. Isabella has risked her and her family's reputation. In a lot of cultures if the girl was proven not a virgin on her wedding night, she'd be given back in shame. Ruined for life like in PandP.
@Songsmirth Wow, I wrote this three years ago, I can't even remember it. In any case I agree with what you're saying but I don't really know why you bothered to say it. It seems unnecessarily obvious.
And in my very humble opinion, Frederick wouldn't even propose it. Gentlemen were not expected to be chaste, but they were expected to visit brothels instead of seducing gentlewomen. Not that it wasn't done, but it was a scandalous, huge deal if it was. So I think Austen would have told us about it. And Eleanor wouldn't pass something like that with "oh, she'll be over it". It's not a matter of getting over it, it's a matter of losing respectability and chances of financial security (marriage).
Ellie21408 2 weeks ago
Sex is not stated in the book.
Isabella probably didn't have the morals not to sleep with a man, but she wouldn't do it because it would ruin the most important thing to her: her chances at the marriage market.
Ellie21408 2 weeks ago
@Ellie21408 it happens in pride and prejudice and in Mansfield park, why not in this book?
RiceBunie 2 days ago
@RiceBunie Read my post again. In Mansfield and P&P, Austen told us about it because it was such a huge deal. And nobody passed it with "oh, they'll be over it".
Ellie21408 2 days ago
I can't believe the father; I can't forgive that!! JUST because shes not rich!!
SelenaMulan 1 month ago
I may be a bitch for saying it, but I'm so glad with what happened to Isabella! Serves her right, foolish girl! =P
Andiefunny93 1 month ago
stop writing the way british speach, you're just coping it. in this country most people speak slang better than the correct english.
lavenderparfume1 1 month ago
Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?
aeo2608 3 months ago
Isabella got her comeuppance, but I do feel for her a bit; as other comments have noted she's now damaged goods and any hope of her marrying into money are almost certainly dashed.
Got to give credit to Mulligan for a fine performance here - the "are we engaged line" and subsequent look on her face just perfectly show Isabella's devastation of what she's done, and the look on her face when she's frantically writing the letter to Catherine - she knows she's done.
Llewdorian 6 months ago 3
Oh, how sad: she was used!!
DigiScrap34 6 months ago 2
I aint sorry for isabella... cant turn no hoe into a house wife no matter what era lol
MJBadd19 6 months ago 4
What a burn to say, "Make yourself decent, Miss Thorpe."
clpearson991 1 year ago 7
Isabella is no fool. This wouldn't have happened: she would have kept using the lure of sex until AFTER he was married to her. She was a fortune-hunter, but NOT a lack-wit.
lijluvr356 1 year ago
@lijluvr356 Not to argue but Fredrick was after the conquest. You can believe he had other women that would take care of his needs. What you say would work if he cared but he didn't. Totally viscious to do this to a girl who had nothing but her virginity to offer in a marriage. She wouldn't listen to anyone who tried to save her. Flattered to attract F. I think the syblings were raised to make the wealthiest marriages they could. He would have never offered her marriage but Is didn't know.
Songsmirth 1 year ago
@lijluvr356
Good point, I think. In the book she was pretty conceited and not too clever. It's difficult to tell whether book-Isabella had enough morals not to sleep with a man, but I think she surely would be a bit too clever for it; she would have known that the chances of F. marrying her would drop like a stone. More importantly: J.A. tends to tread her characters, even bad ones, a lot more kindly than other authors of her time. This "nehnehneh, you are used and ruined" just doesn't fit.
RabiaB 1 year ago 2
never happened like this.
Poodlepups 1 year ago 2
Isabella is such a fool!!!
froasties 1 year ago 2
I love Ms. Tinley's hat!
serenitybee20 1 year ago 8
@serenitybee20 so do I!!
lijluvr356 1 year ago
Finally! Sweet justice! Although it was not in the book, I feel satisfaction seeing her heart broken.
iheartjesus87 1 year ago
@iheartjesus87 Her heart's not broken. She has no heart. She immediately turns to reparing the damage she's done to Catherine's brother by writing to C to try to get her dupe(so she thinks) to get her to fix it! She on to the next chance. I see nothing that proves she's sorry at all. Do you? She's willing to distroy C's brother now. She could be pregnant too and knows that so she's hurrying. No offense meant here Iheart. There are people like that.
Songsmirth 1 year ago 2
"I'm surprised he would stoop to such an easy conquest."
Two words: "Ooh. Buuuuurn!"
~Purl~
KnittingShieldMaiden 1 year ago 12
isabella got what she deserved...ha ha ha...
june251979 1 year ago
I actually don't get the thing about Frederick Tilney and Isabella? Did they sleep or what? Could someone explain?
luna4ever36 1 year ago
@luna4ever36 yeah she slept with him and so he left her and he pretty much ruined her chances of getting married because it wasn't proper for a woman to have sex before marriage.
erenowlovexX 1 year ago
"are we engaged?" wow.... after you sleep with him?!?!?!
vivimaze 1 year ago 4
its not just embarrassing that Catherine got thrown out in the middle of the night, it is also very dangerous. She had to get public transport all the way home in the middle of the night!
MoonPhase94 1 year ago 4
@ StageIsMyLife & anatinoni, I completely agree with both of you. One of my pet peeves is improper grammar. I seem to be one of the few who enjoy "laboring" through such long books like Lord of the Rings, Pride and Prejudice, and Northanger Abbey. XD
RoseBaggins 2 years ago
no kidding! what shame. thats low though... in the end its becuase of her lack of fortune right? he thought she was "good" company because of her wealth but.... on the contrary.
DestinedRevolution 2 years ago
How embarassing! being thrown out in the middle of the night. lol
cravilicious 2 years ago 7
The general is freakin SCARY
pescilinirosso 2 years ago 3
"And...are we engaged?" LMAO... she was seriously happy too lol
catchup16 2 years ago 12
That was so cruel, I always turn down the volume on that scene. Isabella might have hurt Catherine's brother, but she hasn't ruined his chances to ever be married. There's no hint of her having sex with Captain Tilney in the book and the scene seems gratuitious to me.
RabiaB 2 years ago
@RabiaB i think at the time it would have been considered very dishonourable, especially for a woman. perhaps it wouldn't have been so bad if she had just left james, but the fact she moved onto another man, and the scandal with that, made it all the worse i think.
fabziepie 1 year ago
@fabziepie
I'm aware of the moral ideas of that time and surely Captain Tilney would have thought that it just served Isabella right. Similar for most people of Jane Austen's time. But Jane Austen didn't write anything like this: neither a sexual relationship between the two nor Isabella being ruined for ever. Adding a scene which ruins marriage chances is vicious and malevolent, and because that is very unlike Jane Austen it distorts the mood of the story. It just doesn't fit. IMO, that is.
RabiaB 1 year ago 4
@RabiaB I too think that the addition of that scene was unnecessary, as it really didn't serve any purpose, other than make the viewer feel that Isabella had got what she deserved in the end, which I agree doesn't really add anything to the story.
fabziepie 1 year ago 4
@fabziepie
Thank you!
I always think of Jane Austen as a kind woman even if she can be very ironic and shrewd. I like how she dealt with Lydia Bennet from Pride and Prejudice: she had gotten herself into trouble but then none of her parents had bothered to teach her - her mother told her to have fun with the officers & her father that she's silly. Some education!
I like how Auten gave her a much more happy ending than moralists of Austens time would have done (dead, prostitute or outcast).
RabiaB 1 year ago 2
@RabiaB
reading the work of Jane Austen can be very refreshing in that respect :) it's one of the reasons I enjoy reading it so much! I have always held a certain affection for Lydia Bennet, especially how she was portrayed in the 2005 version.
fabziepie 1 year ago
@RabiaB Never thought about it but you're right. She wouldn't have approved. The film industry does this, thinking it will sell a few more tickets. They don't have many morals. I don't think the Captain would have cared in any fashion what became of her because he only thought of himself. A girl like this was disposable(sp). He already had a reputation but his future was assured so no big woop. Most men don't think badly of other men that do this. The tv program, "2 1/2 men" proves it.
Songsmirth 1 year ago
@Songsmirth
Looks like there's a fashion to add sex to Jane Austen movies - silly; if I want to see sex there's plenty of movies for that. I don't like "2 1/2 men" because the idea of womanizer being cool & impressive is so stupid & outdated; I can't enjoy the show. But it's a modern story, the women there know what they're doing & don't ruin their entire lives in one night. J.A. would never tread an affair like this - look at W.'s affair with a "good girl" in Sense&Sensibility. Total scandal!
RabiaB 1 year ago 3
i think Catherine/mr.tinley, elizabeth/mr.darcy, and Emma/mr.knightley are the best couples in all her books. ha which basically is them all.
DIGS179 2 years ago 5
I have one word for Isabella: BOOBS
snowy4hk 2 years ago 9
Sure Isabella is terrible to cheat on James, but their brother is no better.
JustAPrayer 2 years ago 13
haha. she's a ho. she deserved it.
kmarty290 2 years ago 5
isabella's clothing is rather revealing while she's writing that letter to catherine at 2:03... especially after she's slept with captn tilney and has no engagement ring to show of it
iloveskittles64 2 years ago 6
I'd marry James...:( Obviously he chose a nasty woman for a wife, but I believe that to be a result of his trusting nature. He was probably too enthralled with her to notice her bad side.
Lenorawakefield 2 years ago 9
i want Mr. Tilney!! <3 <3 isabella is a total b****
heyglitterbug 2 years ago 8
Miss Tilney, is, how should i say it?
Most agreeable!
j0andc0 2 years ago 31
ahha..I'm reading Jane Austen's novels and I feel like talking like that all the time..ahahah..I think my friends think I'm getting a little insane!!ahah
anatinoni 2 years ago 4
I tend to write in the tone and form for a while after I've read or watched too many of these movies. :) It's a lost art. Speaking use to be so beautiful. Now chat speak and loss of grammar has taken hold of the world. :( So depressing.
StageIsMyLife 2 years ago 10
@StageIsMyLife I agree with you 100%. I'm taking my MA in English Literature and I've found so much beauty in it that when I look at the way we speak and write today, I just want to get back to my books..
anatinoni 2 years ago 4
Yes and no. Language is always changing, and there are always complains about "proper" language being lost. Just remember Tilney's mocking about the word "nice"!
Netspeak shouldn't be the measure of today's language. It's not as if the language Jane Austen used was an example of how the average woman of her time talked. In her time, you could have heard expressions in some streets in London that would make your ears glow.
RabiaB 2 years ago
haha, eleanor called isabella "easy". burn.
bodyanti 2 years ago 35
did he just sent her away because he found out she has no money?
jerona 2 years ago 7
i think federick does what he wants with who he wants in other words he sleeps around
britnicoley 2 years ago 9
I love Eleanor! She is so sweet
jampcat9 2 years ago 13
yuck. isabella makes me sick
BFFerret 2 years ago 13
Miss Thorpes best chance for marriage after Bath would be in the Americas where no one knows her, as her reputation would have spread like wildfire in english society and she would have no chance in finding anyone half decent then.
j0andc0 2 years ago 14
She could always remove herself from all society and become a nun - probably slightly more easily done than relocating to the Americas.
southpaw2401 2 years ago 5
A life of celibacy? You think she could manage it?
j0andc0 2 years ago 2
I think she deserves it after messing up so people's personal lives!
southpaw2401 2 years ago
Good point.
j0andc0 2 years ago
Many orders of professed religious insisted on virginity from their postulants - looks like Isabella is "ruined."
hollywoodartchick 2 years ago 8
1) I am assuming from the sister's "she will be over it soon enough" remark that Isabella was already well versed in the "Victorian dating system"
2) Was a uber slut (not to mention "such an easy conquest"), that's why only a nice dope like Frederick wanted her, all the rest of the men knew she was trash
3) She read nasty, dirty filthy novels and relished in dirty lives/lifestyles...most hoochies do, can't explain it
I dunno though, haven't read the book
redtie80 2 years ago
ha ha ha - 1) I caught that too - I think u r right. 2) I totally felt sorry for Frederick. Wish he could have had a happy ending too. 3) Harlequin Romance was made for girls like her.
hollywoodartchick 2 years ago 2
then read it...
anisete46 2 years ago
Why don't you go to war if I don't :) Then pretend like it never happened to avoid the inevitable, "Idiocrats can't think that far ahead", messy consequence
redtie80 2 years ago 2
read the book then assume
nichyyisfreknawesumm 2 years ago 3
Correct, and they would of thoroughly checked her to that also.
Her best option would have been the Americas, where she could start afresh, but English society? Forget it.
j0andc0 2 years ago 5
i cant believe she would ask if they were engaged!! she is so naive and stupid
Mamimimicita 2 years ago 18
Yay! The golddigger gets what she has coming! But I must say the elder brother is cold.
sallyannerenee 2 years ago 14
what the hell. that is so wierd. ive never read this far into the book and i dont understand it at all.
JoRRRRRRRRRRRRRR 2 years ago
the eldest Tilney has such a weird swagger as he walks. It's so annoying
BelovedCaptain 2 years ago 6
yeah it has something to do with his head it bobbles in this weird manner
Mamimimicita 2 years ago 4
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fymbreethil 2 years ago
LOL soo true!
fymbreethil 2 years ago
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fymbreethil 2 years ago
0:54
you can hear someone say "look at the size of these!"
LOL, what in the worlddd?
generationYkid 2 years ago 8
you're right!! how funny!
germangirl4017 2 years ago 2
I would classify that as "vaguely inappropriate".
LOL.
MissRenoir 2 years ago 3
HAHAHA
iridescentblue 2 years ago
thats hysterical, I wonder if they left that in on purpose :P
jerona 2 years ago
"And... Are we engaged?..." ROFL!
lapinkawaii 2 years ago 11
I should like to think that this mister Tinley fellow had better pay our dearest Catherine a call after the horrid way the General treated her. Oh tis just dreadful to think of that day:(
kikimo007 2 years ago
at least the captain didn't leave her there by herself. but her life is obviously over ( i am talking about isabella)
dramaqueen465 2 years ago 3
Very true, a lady's virtue back in those days was worth its weight in Gold, and was very much a deciding factor in finding
someone.
Doesnt matter a damn with many today though, mores the pity.
HenrySimmerson 2 years ago 5
I think this is the best of jane coz it is in some ways different from the other stories she ever wrote. The others are very great but it seems we are so familiar with them and understand the characters so well....this piques our interest than the others (if u have watched or read others already)...just my opinion.....:))
tabaothanh 2 years ago 8
The General is such a horrid, horrid man!
sensibile1900 2 years ago 4
If I was Catherine when General Tilney was staring down at her when he kicked her out I would totally have stuck my middle finger up at hi, xP
CamisdoLover2 3 years ago 8
I just love all the Jane Austen movies that are base from her books, such creativity and imagination.
Synthrose 3 years ago 3
Captain Tilney's head bobbles when he walks...lol
I don't feel sorry for Miss Thorpe at all. She got exactly what she deserved, the flirt.
PeculiarTreasure91 3 years ago 26
you're right! LOL
ThatsMyRubberDuckie 3 years ago 2
girl u have been used miss Thorp
mitchdragon 3 years ago 6
oh..General Tilney is such a argh man!
How can he command to send away Catherine in the middle of the night and that for a human reason! Is Pride forbit him to treat catherin any longer as an valuabel gest...
I hate such persons...
dolceXmelita 3 years ago 8
"And r we engaged", uggh! Why would Cpt. Tilney buy the software when he can download it for free!!!! Retarded ass, dat what she get
brij250 3 years ago 11
Ehexactly! All the Granny's worldwide have been right! lol
persephone07 3 years ago 2
soo true!
jokersis 3 years ago
Why buy the software when you can download it for free...oh my god that is a PERFECT expression. Can I totally use it?! Hahaha...wow.
What a fool Isabella is!!
sjaeckh 2 years ago 6
Catherine has slight buck teeth lol
jumong33 4 years ago
Agreed. They're cute though. :)
IloveSirLancelot 2 years ago
hahahaha isabella is such an idiot
chebsheb 4 years ago 75
serves her right!
xbroadwaybx 4 years ago 10
Isabella so deserves that. And I hope that James never get back with her.
PinkRose358 4 years ago 15
he's creepy!
ssfpa 4 years ago 12
Northanger Abbey is haunted by oldman Tilney himself :P
Marminen 4 years ago 29
USED!!
2007essence2007 4 years ago 8
I LOVE Eleanor...she's so sweet.
Henry and she is my fav sibling couple in literature...heehee
me0709 4 years ago 31
"and...are we engaged?"
lol foooooool
frankieweaslyyeah 4 years ago 116
@frankieweaslyyeah A fool knows wen they are doing something stupid and does it anyway. She was native enough to bet that Fredrick would be honorable and marry her because she slept with him. She misread him. We get ourselves into bad situations that we know we should pull ourselves out of but we don't. Isabella has risked her and her family's reputation. In a lot of cultures if the girl was proven not a virgin on her wedding night, she'd be given back in shame. Ruined for life like in PandP.
Songsmirth 1 year ago
@Songsmirth Wow, I wrote this three years ago, I can't even remember it. In any case I agree with what you're saying but I don't really know why you bothered to say it. It seems unnecessarily obvious.
frankieweaslyyeah 11 months ago
thank you very much. =]
KillHannahx 4 years ago 3
there can't be a greater disaster senario in a movie or book like this
he is a gahstly man dont you think?
beckey707 4 years ago 8
indeed... very ghastly
shinigama09 4 years ago 3