Furtwangler Beethoven 7th 1943 Mvt. 2 (1/1)

[aryafeydakin]

Maybe the orchestra did so well because, at that time, it has to be composed of germanic people only ? *black humour*

[Ralledang]

Inspirational. 

[Concertanti]

I was listening to this recently with a friend, and at around the 3:40 mark he turns to me and says "I feel like I just got musically kamehamehad". I laughed, but the comparison seemed apt. It really is like you're just getting shot with a wall of fire or something, the orchestra just plays this so amazingly well.

[Carloprieto]

superbe!!!!!!

[mondieumonvieux]

amazing recording, furt being furt, demonstrating that you can push the envelope and pull off an astounding, great interpretation that jells, regardless of the almost jarring tempo. Self indulgent? Nah. Simply magnificent.

[catnipblossom]

The music has been playing in my head for a month. Subtile, profound. It sounds like nothing and yet...everything. Like a nothing pastoral, demuni de tout, like watching a beauty bathing in a stream, sun rays piercing through the trees falling on a perfect body. But you're dead and you can't even see your hands. You have to close your eyes to touch...it. But one more time your hands caress nothing and with a smile of a child you go back to your grave. Waiting for it to play again....

[rhiannonsdad]

Monumental

[pekoe67]

@monicadue62

Good point. I was only thinking of my enjoyment of this piece. 

[Feflori]

Furtwängler rocks!

[changjiang001]

I really believe for artists, we just focus on their art instead of their political stances.

[paulostroff99]

Awesome

[mjecpa]

Pure magic.

[syren345]

I'm thinking this is a little slow. It still sounds good, but this should ONLY be slow in comparison to the other movements. This just is too slow. Still pretty, though!

[oosawashuuji]

ドイツ帝国の葬送行進曲だ。

[MrNobleSavagery]

ehhh...that thing was purely a wallow

[angus24402870451]

He is the BEST!!! Bravo!!! Best interpreter of Beethoven's symphonies!!!

[Invisus944]

do you want to support your statements further? also think logically, do you think the nazis were going to record anything other than germanic composers? ugh, what an ignorant comment

[MrNobleSavagery]

"world heritage"

No such thing exists. Go read Noam Chomsky.

[MrNobleSavagery]

"he should have made suicide together with goering, would have been more honest"

You are an idiot

[uhartchristian]

first thanks for the idiot, this shows of your intelligence...

then: furtwaengler did fight with tthe music hand in ghand with the nazis. he worked with Goebbels for the supremacy of german culture. He needed the few jewish musicians in the orchestra which were still there, so he did protect them as he could this is no excuse for his crimes when collaborating with the nazis who did the holocaust. I may be an idiot but you are an ignorant of what happened !!!!!

[josefkesselring]

If you needed brain surgery, would you go to a brain surgeon or would you prefer a universal doctor who didn't specialise in any branch of medicine?

[MrNobleSavagery]

IMO Furtwangler remains the greatest conductor of Beethoven.

[MrNobleSavagery]

not that such an opinion matters; I just felt compelled to express my humility before this master

[uhartchristian]

the greatest conductor who worked hand in hand together with the greates devils on earth....  paradise and hell... how close together in human bodies.... thats the paradox of humanity.... I ll never understand why but it must be like in the work of goethes faust.... the devil takes the purest hearts and tries to uses them for his own interests.... furtwaengler was used in that way and did let it happen, yes actively participated....

[vasilisparos]

simplicity in all its greatness!!just repeating the same notes again and again..it might sound childish, but the result is at least genius..there is only one ludwig van, and only one furtwangler to INTERPRET his music!!

[changjiang001]

Furtwangler is Beethoven.

[MrNobleSavagery]

how old are you?

[Invisus944]

I'm willing to bet he's either 12 or 85.

[BARBAROSSON]

Fürtwangler, je l'ai découvert il y a peu de temps.

Il est tellement 'terrien', force tranquille... Quel Génie ! Je l'adore : c'est une relecture des oeuvres dont je ne connaissais que par les Karajan et Rattle, trop surmédiatisés....

[neporuk]

Sorry but Furtwängler is a genius,

von Karajan only market !

[Vlaqq]

so sad, so sad

[yvonnelacri]

I prefer Karajan. But I also like Furtwängler, its just i feel it like kind of slowly

[rh7189]

Someone should write a coughing symphony, then they wont be out of place

[JasonJason210]

Wish they'd had digital recording back then.

[Rattywotin]

I thank god he kept Furtwangler in Europe, he remained a true german and conducted as such till he died, what was Americas loss was our gain!! One only has to listen to this.

[Invisus944]

Furtwängler?

[Carloprieto]

@1541oreo O.o really?

[Acquacheta]

Yes, Mozart99900, it's true, many of those inferiors abused of the events. I proud that my country: Italy (Milano la Scala, and Rai tv) reaccomodeted Furtwangler.

[VocalVerve]

One of the most amazing conductors ever directing the performance of one of the greatest pieces written by one of the world's greatest composers. Sure can't beat that -- unless you kill the ass who keeps coughing rather than simply leaving the room. :-)

[ClassicalMMAChef]

One of the most beautiful movements in all classical music.

[Ralledang]

@ClassicalMMAChef I do agree. This is exceptional.

[pekoe67]

What's with the f*cking coughing ? My G*d !

Those coughers have something to answer for in the afterlife. A year each in the Fiery Lake.

Invisus gets a pass on the Lake.

For each cough.

[DivisionCharlemagne0]

5*****. Fantastic

[Wilhelm979]

Oui mon ami, cette musique me donne des frissons. Ecoute en silence, ce moment grandiose. C'est l'hiver. Berlin a froid, les gens toussent. Parmi eux, Le Fuhrer. Mais tous bouillonnent d'un sang chaud. Celui de l'unisson camarade. Et Furtwangler en Beethoven...c'est dantesque !^*****

[allanyip]

Wonderful

[tzhuff]

enough with the pedantic talk of metronome markings. i understand how it is hard for our sterile, neurotic, controlling minds to come to terms with this style of music-making with its flowing, streaming quality, but i think beethoven's musical structures can handle furtwaengler's loads.

[oistrakh19081974]

Furtwangler is God in Beethoven. Such intensity...I recommend listening the Beethoven ninth symphony of 1942 which also appears in youtube. Overall third movement. i felt out of yhis world... Invisus you are right but Furtwangler is Furtwangler...a genius

[bearkabob]

in all honesty, Furtwangler is overrated. he's very good that i know. but in the level of genius? sorry. his tempos seem a bit self indulgent.

[Invisus944]

his interpretations however were never about indulgence (even in wartime). maybe bernstein was self indulgent as he got older, but i don't see how this performance is indulging. "correct" performances by the likes of gardiner for me aren't "properly indulged"; they are practically skipping over the music entirely.

for those who were waiting for my upload of the last lucerne concert, i had a little booboo...it will be up by the end of the month (i think)

[dermann76]

yes. FURTWÄNGLER (The master ¡¡¡¡¡¡) :)

[andigrim007]

Thank you for posting this

[Invisus944]

the metronome indication by beethoven is much faster though, so that part is true. while i don't really like kleiber's outing with the vienna philharmonic, i find that the one he did with the bavarian state opera orchestra (on orfeo) is far superior. if you ask me, that performance's allegretto movement is the only "fast" one that can compete with furtwängler.

[Nachtmarchen]

Do you know the Leibowitz/RPO version? In terms of overall tempo its somewhere between Kleiber and Furtwängler, Leibowitz stuck quite close to Beethoven's metronome markings (but never followed them dogmatically, like Norrington or Gardiner) - like Furtwängler he shaped the phrases very organically, it's both rhythmically robust and free-flowing, it captures both the graveness of Furtwängler as well as the restless striding of Kleiber (BSO), those three versions are pretty much my ideal 7ths.

[yuanyelele]

beautiful! much better than kleiber!

thought someone says that the score says it should be played faster....