it annoys me that hitchens has an american flag on his jacket when american was founded on god. He just another brit that likes to start arguments one day hes gonna get shot
Hannity throws a Nerf football at the end of every show he does this because he is a moron and a classical theist how they distort words to make things line up with their dogma . I can't wait until Obama gets re-elected .
not a fair fight-Hannity is a simple man-no insult-its ok-he's just a simple person-complex ideas not his forte-he needs limbaugh to know what to say.....
I'm tired of this stupid ass argument that states it takes a greater leap of faith to be an atheist than to be a theist. That's about as dumb as saying scientific evidence leads to God. Or that factual evidence serves as a basis for fiction. The only leap toward a theistic approach that is shorter than that of an atheistic approach is an intellectual one.
@ClockworkGearhead I thought you may want to know that it's "fairy-tale", not "fairytail". I will miss Hitchens, even though I did follow or know much about him, I have come to admire him. I didn't even know he was dead until I saw it in a comment. The more I watch of him, the more inspiring and brave he becomes in my eyes. He was not a man that dealt in bullshit. And I know people compare themselves to him all the time, but he reminds me of and influenced the way I act daily.
Speaking as a good conservative and talk raido junkie, I will say this: Hannity is a man of good heart and poor intellect. His success is a mystery to me.
Christianity is as bad as Islam. And Mormonism. They all have such creepy stories, have prophets that were polygamists or Jesus the "confirmed bachelor" who hung around men as much as he could and cobbled together crap grifted from Jewish storytellers who stole from the Mesopotamians.
None of these idiots seemed aware of the existence of the rest of the planet or ever mentioned one word that wasn't from their time.
Religionists want to believe God comes from nothing. Is it easier to believe that all this flotsam and jetsam came in the kind of disorganized mess we still have or some supernatural male creator (yeah, I've not seen any men giving birth either) who controls everything except a supernatural naughty male who is nearly as powerful as he is.
Where did Cain and Abel's wives come from? Silly man made stories with a lot of plot holes, just as dumb as every other stupid religion.
@elspoko No God has aways been. He had no starting point. Humans see God thought the understanding of time. But, God is beyond time. Time is one of God's many creations.
@jackinthebox995 So you're saying god came from nothing? Then why aren't you arguing with Hannity about his statement? Or does everything come from something, except god? I mean come on, try a little harder to make sense. You religious folk always use failed logic and exceptions to make statements about god, and use those logical loopholes to prove something. By your logic, I can prove Thor, Vishnu, Acolmiztli etc to all exist, which then negates your god from existing.
@elspoko I don't I explained myself very well. So, I'll say it like this. It takes faith to believe in a GOD. The bible says that GOD has aways been. This means that GOD never was created! GOD is outside of time. While we humans are within time. Logic cannot explain such a consept, but that is where faith comes in. Faith is the belief in things unseen. We christians use faith not logic. That is the best way I can explain GOD and the beginning of time and creation.
@jackinthebox995 Well, of course belief in god requires faith. Faith doesn't need proof. However, faith in a lie does not make that lie any more real. Sorry, but mental gymnastics and apologetics is frowned upon in logical discourse. You nailed it though, you christians use faith and not logic.
@elspoko That's the difference, elspoko. You guys live in the world of logic. We live in the world of faith. It's that simple. You are intitled to your belief as well as mine. But' I want you to think about this. If someone put a gun to your head and told you to deny Darwin or they would kill you. What would you do? If someone did that to me and told me to deny Christ. I would tell them to go ahead and shoot. Why? Because the reward for dying for Christ is eternity in heaven. Also, God don't lie
@jackinthebox995 Please do not equate logic with faith. Logic can be tested, tried, and measured. Faith cannot. Faith is belief in something regards of the facts. And to answer your question, I would indeed deny Darwin. That is the difference between religion and common sense. I don't have to follow something until death because I am not an animal. Oh, and you're quite wrong in saying dying for Christ grants eternity in heaven. Your savior would be ashamed at religious zealotry
@elspoko The only thing I have to say about your last comment is this. Logic and Faith are not equal. They are polar opposites. They are like the positive and negative charges of a magnet. OH, and I do know that JESUS would welcome me into HEAVEN with open arms. He would say well done good and faithfull servant. One more thing FAITH can be tried. Like I said before if someone if someone promised to kill me for believeing in GOD and I told them to go ahead and shoot. I would call that testing.
@jackinthebox995 Guessing what the lord would say is blasphemy. You are wrong in saying that he would welcome you. That aside, faith and logic are not polar opposites, as they are not the same in any form. Logic relies on something to be proven. Faith relies on nothing at all. Lastly, your "testing" wouldn't work, as you would not be able to give us the results. Therein lies the fallacy of religion.
@elspoko You are right. Faith and logic don't have nothing in common. Concerning your comments over the last couple of days it's possible that you've never read the Bible am I right? All these comments you have about faith in GOD comes from your Bias against GOD. You think we believers don't have nothing to believe in because their is no GOD to believe in. But us believers in GOD know their is a GOD. So we have that TRUTH to hold into. I know you going to say believers in GOD don't have nothing.
@jackinthebox995 Yes, I have read the Bible. I wanted to become a youth minister and go to seminary. However, the more I read, the more I saw the contradictions, racism, misogynist, evil, and outright lies of the book. I did not say you believers have nothing to believe in. I know you do. My problem is that your belief seeps into the lives of others, including my own. You believers do not know there is a god. That's why you have faith and I do not. I don't need lies.
@elspoko What's all this stuff about believeing in lies then? I'm sorry to know that you almost became a minister. That breaks my heart man. You could have been a good preacher. And another thing Athiets have been doing their best to take GOD out of the culture since the early 1960's. So you Athiets are seeping into the lives of GOD believeing people to, and don't deny it either. But, I hope you come back to GOD, because HE LOVES YOU. I'm going to pray for you. Don't get offened. I care for you.
@jackinthebox995 I want you to understand this very clearly. Christianity, and religion as a whole, has been a plague on people since the dawn of humanity. Why? Because it only takes a few evil men to write stories. And those stories can be used to control whole populations. Wars, slavery, misogyny, and all kinds of morale betrayals have been done in the name of religion. Please, don't pray for me. Pray for the followers of your evil system.
@elspoko no...it is religion that acted as the basis of most rich societies in the world even Atheism is the foundation of many societies...like NORTH KOREA
"Wars, slavery, misogyny, and all kinds of morale betrayals have been done in the name of religion"...
lol....that is due to human imperfection and capacity to do bad deeds...Stalin, Mao, Milosevic, Hitler, Lenin, Kim Jong Il etc were all ATHEISTS
@PartyAllSeason Ah, but you see, atheism isn't a religion. You can't group atheists together, because there isn't one unifying belief. Atheism is the rejection of claims, not the belief in one. Oh, and Hitler was a creationist, but that aside, the German people were devoutly Christian. Your only real point is that humans fuck up, which is obvious given the amount of religions out there. Clearly, if god were real, he'd make one religion without room for human interpretation.
@elspoko seriously, do you have a brain damage?...you are saying that humans fuck up coz of religion??...most dreaded dictators have been atheists not theists...Communists fucked up the humanity and are still doing in some parts(including killing theists)...and they are all hardcore ATHEISTS...saying that Religion is resposible for problem of humanity is really crying out that you are a bird brain...since day one, majority of humanity has believed in some form of God...wannabe junktard!!
@PartyAllSeason The previous commentator has tried to use that argument and lost. Scroll down and look up the counter-argument to all that religious rhetoric you just spewed. To my previous statements, I'd like to add that your comment boils down to "Well, Athiests fuck up just as much as religious people, SO THERE!!" as if that were a good argument. Your argument only shows that easily lead people will follow whoever is in charge. Clearly, we don't need go to fuck up.
@elspoko now you are typing crap just coz of the sake of typing...this is known as RANTING...you are seriously fucked up...i guess you have had some personal bad experience...i guess some priest or mullah might have sexually molested you as a kid, which has caused a phobia of religion in you....most strong dislikes are due to personal traumas related to the subject...get well soon...may god bless you:))
@elspoko I do understand that you've had some bad times because of religion. Did you know JESUS was a very unreligious person? He had alot of bad things to say about the jewish religious leaders of his time. He called them full of spider webs and dryed bones.. That's what JESUS thought about religion. So you and JESUS have something in common. And you are right alot of evil things have been done in the NAME OF RELIGION. That don't make it right in GOD'S EYES! Think about it. OK
@jackinthebox995 Man, you're just not understanding. You don't want to understand. It's people like you that lead me to question the whole corrupt system of religion. People like you want to always separate Jesus from the corrupt system. What you don't understand is that he himself was a corrupt idol. A symbol of ignorance and blissful servitude. The lord is your shepard because you are the sheep being lead to the slaughter. If god were god, he would not need Jesus.
@elspoko I understand that you hate religion. Jesus was the son of god! period! He is not a symbol! Yes I am his servant. With out Jesus in my life, I would be dead in sin. Believe me when I say this! He is the only way to salvation! Period! I know you don't believe in what I have said, but It's true. My faith in GOD and JESUS is the only thing that has kept me going for many years. I will not deny that their is a GOD or GOD'S SON! I'm sorry you don't feel that way. That's all I can say.
Well, except that Aristotle introduced the scientific method and empiricism. Otherwise completely true. Oh, and except for the various Muslim scientists 1000 years ago who refined the scientific method while Christians embraced superstition.
So Christians didn't create the foundation of modern science we continue to use today, they're still responsible for it at that point. Like Galileo! Wait a second...
@RyanMatthias All true, and his findings were ruled heretical by the same church with the threat of execution; a stance that wasn't lifted until nearly a century later. Modern western science exists in spite of Christianity, not because of it.
While it is irrefutable that many devout individuals who contributed to science (Newton arguably being the best example) this is due to embracing the scientific method. Christianity deserves little of the credit.
@TheMors666 My point is that intellectual productivity has THE POTENTIAL to thrive under Christianity. C.S. Lewis and Tolkien are smart about making this point. Problem is we live in a secular society where religion is not what it should be at all. It's sad.
@RyanMatthias Christianity has consistently fought in some form against virtually every modern example of science we now hold true. The only point you have, from the standpoint of science is that the scientific method and science in general exist in Christian societies but that it will usually hold it back.
If Catholicism =/= then you're in the vast minority of Christians. One wonders why you would pick Galileo if you didn't want to bring up Catholicism.
@TheMors666 I brought up Galileo because he's arguably the most important figure in the history of modern science and because he was a Christian. And I wouldn't say Christianity has fought against scientific progress so much as Christendom has fought against it. There is a difference. One is a belief system, the other is a bureaucracy.
Bureaucracy in academia also fights against progress, trust me, I would know. And for what it's worth I'm not a real Christian, just a theist who likes Jesus.
@RyanMatthias Your argument now boils down to many contributors to modern science happened to be Christian. Hardly evidence that modern science was "born out of Christianity".
Yes Christendom has fought against scientific progress more than Christianity as a concept. Dictatorships repress people more than the concept of fascism does. Ideas can have elements that stifle progress, but it is when they are put into practice when we notice it most. And historically, Christianity hinders progress.
@TheMors666 I'm not trying to argue. Just telling the truth as I see it. I refuse to believe that Christianity has hindered progress as most of my favorite Art is centered around Christian themes and PLENTY of contributors to modern science and philosophy were Christian—off the top of my head: Leibniz, Newton, Kant, Pascal, Kierkegaard, Tolkien, Lewis, etc., not to mention the non-Christian theists. Atheism is (imo) a vain and hopeless philosophy that makes false claims in the name of progress.
@RyanMatthias Very little of that has anything to do with your original statement that modern science was born out of Christianity, which what I was refuting.
Your only argument is that several scientists happened to be Christian. You haven't demonstrated at that Christianity has even helped modern science, never mind claiming responsibility for it. On the other hand, there are several examples of it stifling science.
Atheism isn't a philosophy; it is a lack of belief in Gods.
@TheMors666 ... Which is a philosophical doctrine.
And all I'm saying here is that given the course of progress science has taken and scientific history it appears that the Church played a big role in how we got to where we are now. Christianity has always been a religion of logos.
@RyanMatthias There are plenty of philosophies which don't include God. Existentialism, Nihilism, Buddhism, Materialism, Naturalism, etc. These are all philosophies which some atheists may subscribe to, but none of these are atheism as a philosophy.
Atheism has no comment on morality, philosophy or science. It does not explain anything. All Atheists do have philosophies of some sort, but atheism itself isn't one. Atheism doesn't make false claims because it makes no claims.
@TheMors666 The fathers of existentialism were Kierkegaard and Nietzsche. Kierkegaard lived what appeared to be a decently fulfilling life whereas Nietzsche was a miserable madman. Further, Buddhism invokes a sort of inner godliness.
Atheism is a philosophical doctrine that for me leads straight to nihilism. And I don't agree with nihilism at all.
@RyanMatthias Once again, it isn't a philosophical doctrine. It is nothing more or less than a lack of belief in God(s). It doesn't justify its position, it doesn't explain why. It offers no explanations on anything, including as to why you should agree with it. It is a descriptive label and nothing more.
@TheMors666 Atheism is a philosophical doctrine whether or not you want to admit it. It is a position that holds that no gods exist, thus greatly effecting its adherents approaches to philosophy and life in general. If it weren't a philosophical doctrine, we'd see way more similarities in the writings of Kierkegaard and Nietzsche. Sorry, bro.
@RyanMatthias Atheism is not a position that holds that no Gods exists. It is a description for a person with a lack of belief in Gods. Asserting something isn't true and not believing something to be true are two different concepts.
@RyanMatthias And once again you're insisting that the Church has played a large role in terms of where we are now in regards to the progress of science and scientific history but aren't demonstrating how. For any argument you might have (which we have yet to hear) there are many more examples of the church stifling scientific progress.
@TheMors666 Religion has always been a moderating influence in societies. If everyone were an atheist, we'd probably have a lot more immorality going on as many people need the possibility of cosmic or supernatural retribution to get their acts together. Taking this into consideration, I could argue that because of its alleged "stifling [of] scientific progress," Christianity in Europe and America has prevented the formation of a decidedly corrupt and entirely secular government as seen in the
@RyanMatthias The trend we see now is that the more secular governments tend to be the better adjusted ones. The US is entirely secular.
Stalin's Russia and Mao's China were atheist societies but weren't bad because they were atheists societies; they replaced one set of dogma for another.
You could argue the stifling of progress prevented a corrupt government but would have no evidence to support the claim, you'd just be asking "what if".
@TheMors666 "Atheism is not a position that holds that no Gods exists. It is a description for a person with a lack of belief in Gods. Asserting something isn't true and not believing something to be true are two different concepts." True, but in common parlance atheism usually implies the former whereas agnosticism implies the latter.
So what you're after is a godless and completely humanistic society without dogma? Pretty sure that's not possible given human nature.
Hitch believed in war death and destruction.He hated Muslims most of all and supported the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.One less neo-con warmonger to see on TV.
@theseventhprotocol HItchens may have supported the war in Iraq, but he is no warmongering neo-con. He hated all religions. It just so happens that his hatred of Islam is more publicized. If you read any of his writings at all you would see that he was a great Humanists that stood up to the insanty of all irrational thought.
A person whose diet is deficient in nitrilosidic foods (those foods rich in Amygdalin, the substance whose molecularity is 1 part: the natural analgesic benzaldehyde, 1 part: hydrogen cyanide, 2 parts: glucose) is incapable of stopping the over-production of malignant cells (cells known as tumorous, trophoblastic, healing, pre-embyonic, anaplastic, neoplastic, neoplastigenic, placental) ergo this person has cancer.
Hitler ushered in, with the backing of the families: Carnegie, Rockefeller & Vanderbilt, National Socialism (corporatism). Deviant Christ' Hitchens spoke in favor, ALWAYS, of furtherance of American corporatism. Christ' Hitchens NEVER advocated obedience to the U.S. Constitution. He supported undeclared war (total war in the Arab sphere), fractional reserve banking with its fiat currency, and U.S. military intervention on a planetary scale. He supported Fidel Castro too.
Thank you for posting this video, Sean Hannity is awesome. This video shows what a great person he is. The hate heaped on Hannity is nothing more than a product of those haters insecurity or low self esteem. God is love.This interview is very civil and conducted very effectively. Liberals hate Hannity because they know he is right. If he were to be so stupid, moronic, etc... than it would obvious to everyone and no one would take him seriously. That proves he is correct in his opinions.
The religion "problem" is just something so people can masturbate all over themselves and avoid having to deal with real problems. Global warming, nuclear weapons, centralization, increased power of large organizations...these are the real problems we should be worrying about because they pose the greatest threat to human existence and freedom. Whether Ma and Pa kettle hate homosexuals isn't particularly important, so why aren't we focusing on things that actually matter?
Religion has never provided anything save a false sense of security and intolerance to others. All that charity Sean mentions was provided by people, who religion or no, would be caring and ethical enough to help their fellow man
about hitler, would you say that since we all use him to smear our enemy, we all agree that he/someone can be bad? that maybe sometimes it's good to 'judge'? that even though he was trying to cause evolution of his species, he was bad in a moral sense? i just like common ground, that's all. thought we might could meet there.
@MrSomethingscary Hitler was a severely disturbed individual. We'll leave it at that.
He was, however, a vegetarian on ethical grounds.
Any person exhibits a range of attitudes based on a range of experiences. The issue is when somebody allows those views to empower them to harm others.
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a reasonable person who didn't disagree with the horrible things that Hitler did.
the first two are to 'letimotei', the middle one to those named 'jesussuckedgaypenis' and the last two to 'truckcompany'. sorry i don't know how to send from my email...explicative...explicative...!
as far as being able to explain everything, that's quite the claim. dawkins or hitchens didn't say it i know. but what if some day they did? what if someday, someone empirically verifies that something can come from nothing, and that phyisiology can give birth to the metaphysical? would these discoveries suddenly negate the benefits of living your life based on biblical principles?
i apologize for not having read the same stuff, i guess. we're different people. but i think that to prove that animals engage in self-sacrificial acts would require you to prove that they chose those actions. please explain to me how animals make such value judgements? or how the holy spirit of evolution would guide them to make these judgements?
in the same way that christians (religious folks) have to leave spiritual matters aside when attempting to discuss things with materialists/humanists, i think that rock stars and others whose reasoning skills are mostly in winning popularity contests should check their customary tactics at the door. this topic does not need added emotion or applause seekers. i would be pointing at the name callers, and inflammators whose lack of sincere pursuit for truth shows they are just trolling.
@MrSomethingscary The theory of evolution by natural selection (which, contrary to religious protest, is considered fact) says nothing of morality. It is an entirely amoral concept.
As for "something coming from nothing", the question of the genesis of the universe is, as yet, unanswerable with confidence. But, as the physicist Richard Feynman said, "I don't feel frightened by not knowing things".
Why fill gaps with nonsense? Why not just leave them as temporary gaps?
@letimotei Really appreciate the correspondence, but, are you basically just agreeing with my assertion that evolution doesn't account for key aspects of the human condition like morality, or value judgements, or sacrificial love etc?
are you telling me that there is an animal in history who after weighing his options, decided that preservation of his species was important (#1) and that the best way to achieve that was to take some kind of self-sacrificial action that helped another at cost to himself (#2)?
@MrSomethingscary There is one such species, he's known as Homo sapiens sapiens.
But on a serious note:
I earnestly recommend you investigate a few biological processes that are selection-based (molecular genetics, adaptive immunity). A basic understanding of these processes may well show you that the principles behind the process of natural selection are found everywhere.
These phenomena exist, not by choice, but because they are successful. If they were not successful, they would not be.
@letimotei I accept that limited adaptive changes are being made by all things down here all the time. i think everyone can see that. It's a giant leap from that concept to the idea that everything came from one thing based on this currently evident principle of adaptation. And the idea that concepts of spiritual matters, morality, values, etc are the product of adaptation seems to defy the common sense that tells me adaptation does happen in the first place.
@MrSomethingscary Not so. Morality is essential for harmonious co-existence of human communities, and the ability of humans to form communities is a large contributor to our success as a species.
These things are not as mysterious as many would have you believe. There are logical and cohesive arguments to support their development. It does not make them any less marvellous, however.
@letimotei i have a couple of personal questions regarding evolution. (probably answerable by some of these books i'm supposed to read, but to lazy to) 1: To me, it doesn't make sense that if humans were the top of the evo-ladder all species wouldn't be en route to something like us. Evolution doesn't allow for a species to get comfortable and stall out right? 2: viruses and spores are way more effective at survival than us, are they the future?
@MrSomethingscary Let me preface this post by saying that if you never seek out knowledge (ie, by researching), you will remain forever ignorant.
1) There is a common misconception among creationists that humans are supposed to be "more evolved" than other species on this Earth. This is not the case. We all share a common ancestor, and we have all evolved in different directions to fill different niches. Humans have simply been able to subvert the process by modifying our environment to suit us.
@letimotei so evolution is more of a wandering/aimless type of change where if you're lucky you find your species occupying a 'niche' for a bit? i always thought it was progress in a continuous direction, almost purposefull.
@MrSomethingscary Words like "aimless" and "purposeful" are generally avoided at all costs by rationalists who discuss evolution due to their deterministic connotations. The process is neither purposeful nor purposeless, as there is no (apparent) agent behind its construction.
A better word with a similar feeling is "random." The mutations are random, and their reproductive success is determined by the natural selective pressures that act upon them.
@MrSomethingscary 2) Viruses and spores are not "more effective at survival", we simply find some of them very hard to kill. The fact is, the human species could lose 99.9% of its population and still have 7 million people.
The human race has faced extinction before, and it is around that time that we are thought to have begun to increase markedly in intelligence.
These are complex and fascinating topics that cannot be fully explored in a YouTube comment.
@letimotei not better at survival just very hard to kill? sometimes you lose me.
one of my favorite authors, says 'if you can't explain it to a child, then you probably don't understand it very well yourself'. he was really smart. i think that although the processes might be complex (molecular biology, quantum physics etc) and fascinating, explanation and application should be simple. kind of an 'all the law and prophets hang on this- love God by loving your neighbor' type statement?
@MrSomethingscary Your previous statement was "spores are way more effective at survival than us", which isn't necessarily true for two reasons: 1) we function in entirely different ways. For example: a great number of them can be destroyed by direct contact with detergents or UV light, whereas we cannot, and 2) it's not even clear whether they can be considered classically "alive" to begin with.
I think you're choosing to be confused so as to try and draw me out to your preferred conclusion.
@letimotei P.S. I meant to refer to viruses when speaking about detergents and UV light. Spores can only be destroyed by aldehydes. Spores themselves are simply resistant packages of microbial DNA whose ultimate destiny is to once again resume life as a bacterium (such as Clostridium tetani or Bacillus anthracis - the bacteria behind the tetanus and anthrax toxins, respectively); they are not whole organisms themselves as they lack any immediate reproductive potential, parasitic or otherwise.
@letimotei i'm pretty sure that if we were exposed to the same amount of chemicals or radiation we'd be done to. i know that bleach doesn't do your body good. adjust the amounts of substance to a ratio of the mass of the exposed organism, like micro-organisms are small so they get less bleach, and then see which of us lasts.
The difference is that we have a complex epithelial structure whereas the microorganisms we're speaking about have far simpler barriers. Enveloped viruses, for example, only need tiny amounts of detergent to rupture their envelopes.
Long-story short: we're not just big versions of small organisms. We're different.
@MrSomethingscary As a final note, remember that this is a YouTube commenting stream and that each comment has a 500 character limit. If we were face to face I'd be able to be patient and thorough, but as it stands I'm simply trying to rebut points as succinctly as I am able.
@letimotei so to wrap up, random sounds better than aimless, we all think hitler was bad (but bad is just whatever doesn't contribute to the tribe), 'we' don't know where it all came from in the beginning but not knowing is good, and humans do have something different from the animals -morality- but it doesn't mean anything because we are animals? i have, honestly, enjoyed the back and forth. i just always feel like i'm being told an elaborate story to convince me to eat the poop.
@MrSomethingscary True on all points, except that "morality" could be said to exist in other animal species too. It's our human egocentricity that makes us want to be "superior" or "different" to other animals. In reality, we're all very similar.
i don't like the tactic of taking jabs all along the way to your point. Hitchens aswers any question by bringing up 100 new issues. His goal is always to create a general feeling of contempt, as though it would be impossible for us to pursue any assertion to a conclusion. It proves nothing to point at all the rabbit trails en route to the goal if you never see the end of any of the trails. You have go all the way down the one you want to know about. It would be tiresome, i know. but honest
Has it ever occured to Hitchens and others that there are dimensions we don't know about? GOD doesn't "supervise" our lives. We have free will. You can do as you please, you just have to answer for it. You have to do this now in our society.
People, myself included, unconsciously look for patterns to complete an understanding on whatever. This can be seen when you see god on your toast or animals in the clouds. These examples relate to many peoples belief. Why can't people be comfortable with the notion that the universe has always existed. We look at birth and death, beginning and end and fail to realize that we are connected to the universe completely. It's all a form of energy off set by a factor of 1 imbalance.
Hannity wouldnt take him on live in case he butchered him, he got to edit the tape to his liking. Asshole but not stupid cause he knows he isnt in his intellectual realm.
to idiot that posted the clip: You are very stupid and angry at life as shown in your angry comments pasted to the video at the end. What do you need profanity to convey your atheist message? Hitler did all his crimes in the name of the his gods: atheism, social Darwinism, and theory of evolution. Well, perhaps your thinking like Hitlers thinking are primitive and need to evolve. God bless Sean Hannity.
@shaguava Hitler had inscribed upon the Nazi belt buckle "Gott mit uns", meaning "God with us".
To read more about Adolf Hitler's religious ambiguity, pay Wikipedia a short visit.
I'd be interested to see you struggle to create a coherent causal link between an understanding of the theory of natural selection and the tendency to commit mass genocide, paint bad art and sport an unsightly moustache.
Maybe it's because you actually haven't given a lot of thought to the ideas you condemn.
@letimotei "Hitler had inscribed upon the Nazi belt buckle "Gott mit uns", meaning "God with us"."
There is your first problem. Wikipedia has been known to be wrong in the past. Hitler may have believed in God but I am sorry, It was NOT the God of the Bible. I get a bit tired of hearing Atheists talk about Jesus as if anyone who claims to be a Christain is acutally one. Read the BIBLE to find out what it says a Christain is! The fact that Many argue over what it means shows they DONT READ IT.
@abeeftec I don't think it really matters if he was a Christian by YOUR definition or by the Bible's definition.
What matters is that he was a Christian by HIS definition, and thus carried out his atrocities in the name of HIS idea of God.
That is the point. Not the symantics you attempt to throw out as a smoke-screen to somehow discredit the argument. Hitler may not have fought in the name of YOUR God, but he fought in the name of a god in general.
@SeedsOfHatred I suppose you will write me another message in PM telling me how I started with you again after you thought it was over?
As far as HITLER, I THINK I SAID THE BIBLES STANDARD NOT MINE. His standard was OBVIOUSLY not the Bibles as the Bible tells ALL Christains not to be involved in Government since we are a people not of this world system! If you knew anything about the Bible you would know its not symantics.There U go again speaking on things U know nothing about. Typical.
@abeeftec His standards were obviously not the Bible's standards, yes. But again, that's not the point. Regardless of who's standards he lived up to, he believed, in his heart, that he was fighting in the name of God.
That is the point. The entire point. Not who's god he was fighting for. Not if he was right or wrong. The point - simply - is that he commited atrocities in the name of God.
@SeedsOfHatred You have got to be kdding me! He did NOT believe in God! Or that he was fighting for God! Would it be difficult for you to see that people do selfish things in the name of God just to have a reason for thier selfishness? I highly doubt in his heart he thought God wanted to kill the Jews!! Not the Jews of the Old Testement for certain. And My point will always be that just because someone calls themself a Christain doesnt make them one. Symantics is what the atheist sees
@abeeftec I seriously encourage you to do some research prior to posting your next comment because you are embarrassing yourself.
Hitler is even known to have justified his anti-semitism partially *because* of a faith in God. If you give the book The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity a read, you'll see that Hitler saw Jesus as the original Aryan anti-semite.
As an interesting aside, Hitler was also a vegetarian on ethical grounds.
@letimotei And I seriously encourage you to do some actual research because JESUS was not an Anti Semite at all! in fact, Jesus CAME TO HIS OWN AND THEY RECEIVED HIM NOT!
Get real, The fact that Hitler saw Jesus as Hating his very own heritiage shows his ignorance. And the fact that you say I am embarrassing myself absolutely shows you as a numbskull. My point was that Hitler was NOT a Christian at all. Nothing more. Its as if you are trying to prove he was! The BIBLE Declares what one is!
@abeeftec I didn't say that Jesus was an anti-semite, I was saying that there's strong evidence contrary to your false claim (that Hitler committed atrocities in the name of atheism). If you're able to accept this gross misappropriation then we can all move on.
@abeeftec Actually, the Bible says in 1 Peter chapter two verse thirteen:
"13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right."
YOU, are the one speaking on things you know nothing about.
@letimotei So what are you trying to say in quoting that verse? It means NOTHING to what we are talking about.
Or did you do a quick Google search with a word you wanted to use in a sentence biblically to make some point that you fail to make? Because if you keep at this you are going to make yourself look foolish because you dont know the Bible at all. Its clear.
So tell me Mr. well versed, What did you quote this verse for?
@abeeftec This is what you said: "the Bible tells ALL Christains not to be involved in Government since we are a people not of this world system!" The verse I quoted shows you to be misplaced in your proclamation.
And, not that it's any of your business, but I am very well versed in scripture from years of dedicated research.
@letimotei "This is what you said: "the Bible tells ALL Christains not to be involved in Government since we are a people not of this world system!"The verse I quoted shows you to be misplaced in your proclamation."
Do you realize you are COMPLETELY mixing Ideals? 1. Jesus fullfillment of the Law has to do with redemption. His saying obey ordinances has to do with showing yourself not be a trouble maker as a christain. But Jesus does teach us NOT to be intwined with World Politics.
And be not conformed to this world:but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,that ye may prove what is that good,and acceptable,and perfect,will of God.
When he speaks of "World" he is speaking of this Perishing world system.I doubt you have looked at any of this in STUDY.You more so read is all.U dontt know how to rightly divide truth.Which I am sure is why you are currently running from the truth.U dont know it
@abeeftec Well you clearly didn't read the Wikipedia article, as it doesn't mention the belt buckle in there at all. I got that information from a separate source.
I, equally, get very tired of ignorant religious zealots, such as yourself, who try and blame atheism for the atrocities that horribly sick individuals have committed.
As a side note, the Bible never addresses the issue of "what a Christian is", precisely because the Bible pre-dates modern Christianity by a thousand years or more.
@letimotei You are a typical Atheist, I never blamed atrocities on Atheism. Where do you come up with your rebuttals? The Bible does Address the issue of WHAT A CHRISTAIN IS exactly. Again another atheist speaking on a topic he knows NOTHING about!! The age of a writing means nothing. Thats your first problem. Your second problem is that you assume too much. Many epistles speak on Christian behavior and the entire new testement is about what it is to be a Christian.Read it before you comment
@abeeftec Incorrect. The epistles consistently refer to the Jewish teachings, as their writers were all Jews, not Christians. For a Jew to believe that Jesus was the messiah was contemporarily acceptable in the Jewish faith. Matthew 5:17 quotes Jesus as having said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
@letimotei Whats your point? You keep making points that mean NOTHING. I can have a conversation with many people here, even disagree with them and its fine. But with you, You keep spouting off that I dont know what I am talking about while you reference things that have Nothing to do with the preceeding comments.
@abeeftec This is what you (abeeftec) said: "Many epistles speak on Christian behavior and the entire new testement is about what it is to be a Christian."
This is what I said: " Incorrect. The epistles consistently refer to the Jewish teachings, as their writers were all Jews, not Christians."
The (obvious) point being that the Jewish writers of the epistles were giving instruction on how to be a faithful *Jew* not a *Christian*.
@abeeftec And *yes you did* blame Hitler's atrocities on his Atheism. I quote your previous post: " Hitler did all his crimes in the name of the his gods: atheism, social Darwinism, and theory of evolution"
@letimotei History records that Hitler was a devout believer in Darwinism, i.e., give nature a helping hand by killing all the weak, deformed, sick, gay, Jews, Gypsies, and any other misfits. He renounced Catholicism and converted to heathenism. He wanted to stamp out Christianity in Europe because Jesus was an "Eastern man," that is a Jew! So why don't you try to read more history. Whatever Hitler had on his belt was just vestiges of his former belief or propaganda.
@letimotei The info I gave you was all from documentaries that I watch about Hitler on the History channel or read about in history textbooks. Both are expert reliable sources that use primary documents for what they cite. If you like, copy and paste my statements about Hitlers evil beliefs and plans into Google search and you will see results come up to verify them from reliable sources.
Read the first few pages of Hitler's own Mein Kampf (Hitler's autobiography).
In it, Hitler himself says:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Learn to research effectively before regurgitating religious propaganda.
Saying that god (who by definition we cant understand) is the explanation for the beginning of the universe is the same as saying there is no explanation. How is this any better than saying we dont know? God is extra and unnecessary.
@OptometristItachi God is not EXTRA and unncessary.Thats your thinking, not reality.God IS the reason and his necessity keeps this world from going deeply insane.You think because there are religious nuts and even Christain nuts that those who dont believe are superior because you dont hear of a non religious person doing crazy things.Thats ALSO not true! A lot of people who kill and steal dont believe in God at all! Prisons are Full of them!But you keep seeing it however makes you feel better
Hannity just summed up my frustration with the religious side of the argument. Not believing in any god doesn't automatically mean I believe life sprang from nothing. All it means is that I don't believe in a bunch of biblical, garbage and acknowledge that NOBODY can possibly know how we got here. It's not one or the other. And such specific, granular claims of having all the answers require tangible, logical proof and evidence. Not the other way around.
WHAT! I don't get it when a religious person says that they can't believe in the 'Big Bang' as someone had to create the world/universe............ but they are ok with 'God' just magically appearing from nothing...
I'm minorly religious and do enjoy Hitchens, but I gotta be honest, lots of the atheists here are just as narrow minded as the Christians they are accusing of being so. They all seem to believe that they are an elitist enlightened and infallible group, and that anyway who disagrees with them is a dogmatic moron. I do not consider myself above someone who has a different belief system than me.
@didi725 I agree with you in part, but I'd also like to present the "ardent atheist" side (given that I am one).
I consider myself above someone who never questions the unsubstantiated beliefs that were taught to them as a child, above people who practice their beliefs without adequate understanding of the implications of them, and especially above people who insist on forcing beliefs onto children. And no, I don't think I'm narrow minded, if someone presented evidence of Christ I'd convert.
@MrEdLoop got news for you.Society FORCES their beliefs on Children.You are a product of such bigotry. You cant escape this and therefore you are not above this.You saying you are above anyone is proof of your bias and shows your ignorance to the fact that you have presuppositions just as anyone else does.There is a way to blow these presuppositions away and learn on the basis of truth.one must honestly assess their condition to do this. you have not given heed to your biases but embraced them
it annoys me that hitchens has an american flag on his jacket when american was founded on god. He just another brit that likes to start arguments one day hes gonna get shot
nirvanadrainyou101 2 days ago
CNN= lets people talk
Fox News= dont let people talk, disagree before hand knowing what answer their going to get, dumb as fuck.
smooshmagoosh 4 days ago
Hannity throws a Nerf football at the end of every show he does this because he is a moron and a classical theist how they distort words to make things line up with their dogma . I can't wait until Obama gets re-elected .
Earroten 1 week ago
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"That which can be professed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Christopher Hitchens
Sconezeta 1 week ago
not a fair fight-Hannity is a simple man-no insult-its ok-he's just a simple person-complex ideas not his forte-he needs limbaugh to know what to say.....
catchsight 1 week ago
I'm tired of this stupid ass argument that states it takes a greater leap of faith to be an atheist than to be a theist. That's about as dumb as saying scientific evidence leads to God. Or that factual evidence serves as a basis for fiction. The only leap toward a theistic approach that is shorter than that of an atheistic approach is an intellectual one.
auralstream 1 week ago
Hannity is a cunt, i don't know how this ass got his own show
Rock11001 1 week ago
Hannity is a self centered ignorant fuck!
zrili 1 week ago
god obviously doesn't exist. how can he let an idiot like hannity have a tv show let alone exist.
gat0rgirl13 1 week ago
hannity is such a tool... who watches his crap on tv i wonder
Sconezeta 1 week ago
@Sconezeta I'm assuming his main audience is his family and himself. I wouldn't put it past this smug fuckface to watch himself on the television.
SuperMegaFl0yd 1 week ago
Hannity is a moron... he actually believes in TIME? time is relative, and furthermore time is just a complete illusion.
MaherLeary 2 weeks ago
hannity= no sanity
FreeBeDrug 3 weeks ago
You may be gone, big guy, but your ideals will live on.
Good show, Hitchens. You've given me actual hope, and not a fairytail.
ClockworkGearhead 3 weeks ago
@ClockworkGearhead I thought you may want to know that it's "fairy-tale", not "fairytail". I will miss Hitchens, even though I did follow or know much about him, I have come to admire him. I didn't even know he was dead until I saw it in a comment. The more I watch of him, the more inspiring and brave he becomes in my eyes. He was not a man that dealt in bullshit. And I know people compare themselves to him all the time, but he reminds me of and influenced the way I act daily.
ghostsade3 2 weeks ago
Speaking as a good conservative and talk raido junkie, I will say this: Hannity is a man of good heart and poor intellect. His success is a mystery to me.
grangeender1 3 weeks ago
this guy just wins consistantly.
sadasjnfal 3 weeks ago
Eat shit Hannity you fucking stupid fucking cunt.
potter1s 3 weeks ago
caption made me lol
pumpjocky14 3 weeks ago
Christianity is as bad as Islam. And Mormonism. They all have such creepy stories, have prophets that were polygamists or Jesus the "confirmed bachelor" who hung around men as much as he could and cobbled together crap grifted from Jewish storytellers who stole from the Mesopotamians.
None of these idiots seemed aware of the existence of the rest of the planet or ever mentioned one word that wasn't from their time.
canthemum 4 weeks ago 2
Religionists want to believe God comes from nothing. Is it easier to believe that all this flotsam and jetsam came in the kind of disorganized mess we still have or some supernatural male creator (yeah, I've not seen any men giving birth either) who controls everything except a supernatural naughty male who is nearly as powerful as he is.
Where did Cain and Abel's wives come from? Silly man made stories with a lot of plot holes, just as dumb as every other stupid religion.
canthemum 4 weeks ago
If debating was a martial art My man Hitchens would be a 10th degree black belt
valdostastate77 1 month ago
I'm not angry with god, that would be absurd... hahaha love Hitchens
tacticaloperator12 1 month ago 24
I don't understand Hannity. He says something cannot come from nothing. And yet, God apparently came out of nothing.
elspoko 1 month ago 28
@elspoko No God has aways been. He had no starting point. Humans see God thought the understanding of time. But, God is beyond time. Time is one of God's many creations.
jackinthebox995 1 week ago
@jackinthebox995 So you're saying god came from nothing? Then why aren't you arguing with Hannity about his statement? Or does everything come from something, except god? I mean come on, try a little harder to make sense. You religious folk always use failed logic and exceptions to make statements about god, and use those logical loopholes to prove something. By your logic, I can prove Thor, Vishnu, Acolmiztli etc to all exist, which then negates your god from existing.
elspoko 1 week ago
@elspoko I don't I explained myself very well. So, I'll say it like this. It takes faith to believe in a GOD. The bible says that GOD has aways been. This means that GOD never was created! GOD is outside of time. While we humans are within time. Logic cannot explain such a consept, but that is where faith comes in. Faith is the belief in things unseen. We christians use faith not logic. That is the best way I can explain GOD and the beginning of time and creation.
jackinthebox995 5 days ago
@jackinthebox995 Well, of course belief in god requires faith. Faith doesn't need proof. However, faith in a lie does not make that lie any more real. Sorry, but mental gymnastics and apologetics is frowned upon in logical discourse. You nailed it though, you christians use faith and not logic.
elspoko 5 days ago
@elspoko That's the difference, elspoko. You guys live in the world of logic. We live in the world of faith. It's that simple. You are intitled to your belief as well as mine. But' I want you to think about this. If someone put a gun to your head and told you to deny Darwin or they would kill you. What would you do? If someone did that to me and told me to deny Christ. I would tell them to go ahead and shoot. Why? Because the reward for dying for Christ is eternity in heaven. Also, God don't lie
jackinthebox995 4 days ago
@jackinthebox995 Please do not equate logic with faith. Logic can be tested, tried, and measured. Faith cannot. Faith is belief in something regards of the facts. And to answer your question, I would indeed deny Darwin. That is the difference between religion and common sense. I don't have to follow something until death because I am not an animal. Oh, and you're quite wrong in saying dying for Christ grants eternity in heaven. Your savior would be ashamed at religious zealotry
elspoko 4 days ago
@elspoko The only thing I have to say about your last comment is this. Logic and Faith are not equal. They are polar opposites. They are like the positive and negative charges of a magnet. OH, and I do know that JESUS would welcome me into HEAVEN with open arms. He would say well done good and faithfull servant. One more thing FAITH can be tried. Like I said before if someone if someone promised to kill me for believeing in GOD and I told them to go ahead and shoot. I would call that testing.
jackinthebox995 3 days ago
@jackinthebox995 Guessing what the lord would say is blasphemy. You are wrong in saying that he would welcome you. That aside, faith and logic are not polar opposites, as they are not the same in any form. Logic relies on something to be proven. Faith relies on nothing at all. Lastly, your "testing" wouldn't work, as you would not be able to give us the results. Therein lies the fallacy of religion.
elspoko 3 days ago
@elspoko You are right. Faith and logic don't have nothing in common. Concerning your comments over the last couple of days it's possible that you've never read the Bible am I right? All these comments you have about faith in GOD comes from your Bias against GOD. You think we believers don't have nothing to believe in because their is no GOD to believe in. But us believers in GOD know their is a GOD. So we have that TRUTH to hold into. I know you going to say believers in GOD don't have nothing.
jackinthebox995 3 days ago
@jackinthebox995 Yes, I have read the Bible. I wanted to become a youth minister and go to seminary. However, the more I read, the more I saw the contradictions, racism, misogynist, evil, and outright lies of the book. I did not say you believers have nothing to believe in. I know you do. My problem is that your belief seeps into the lives of others, including my own. You believers do not know there is a god. That's why you have faith and I do not. I don't need lies.
elspoko 3 days ago
@elspoko What's all this stuff about believeing in lies then? I'm sorry to know that you almost became a minister. That breaks my heart man. You could have been a good preacher. And another thing Athiets have been doing their best to take GOD out of the culture since the early 1960's. So you Athiets are seeping into the lives of GOD believeing people to, and don't deny it either. But, I hope you come back to GOD, because HE LOVES YOU. I'm going to pray for you. Don't get offened. I care for you.
jackinthebox995 3 days ago
@jackinthebox995 I want you to understand this very clearly. Christianity, and religion as a whole, has been a plague on people since the dawn of humanity. Why? Because it only takes a few evil men to write stories. And those stories can be used to control whole populations. Wars, slavery, misogyny, and all kinds of morale betrayals have been done in the name of religion. Please, don't pray for me. Pray for the followers of your evil system.
elspoko 3 days ago
@elspoko no...it is religion that acted as the basis of most rich societies in the world even Atheism is the foundation of many societies...like NORTH KOREA
"Wars, slavery, misogyny, and all kinds of morale betrayals have been done in the name of religion"...
lol....that is due to human imperfection and capacity to do bad deeds...Stalin, Mao, Milosevic, Hitler, Lenin, Kim Jong Il etc were all ATHEISTS
PartyAllSeason 2 days ago
@PartyAllSeason Ah, but you see, atheism isn't a religion. You can't group atheists together, because there isn't one unifying belief. Atheism is the rejection of claims, not the belief in one. Oh, and Hitler was a creationist, but that aside, the German people were devoutly Christian. Your only real point is that humans fuck up, which is obvious given the amount of religions out there. Clearly, if god were real, he'd make one religion without room for human interpretation.
elspoko 2 days ago
@elspoko seriously, do you have a brain damage?...you are saying that humans fuck up coz of religion??...most dreaded dictators have been atheists not theists...Communists fucked up the humanity and are still doing in some parts(including killing theists)...and they are all hardcore ATHEISTS...saying that Religion is resposible for problem of humanity is really crying out that you are a bird brain...since day one, majority of humanity has believed in some form of God...wannabe junktard!!
PartyAllSeason 2 days ago
@PartyAllSeason The previous commentator has tried to use that argument and lost. Scroll down and look up the counter-argument to all that religious rhetoric you just spewed. To my previous statements, I'd like to add that your comment boils down to "Well, Athiests fuck up just as much as religious people, SO THERE!!" as if that were a good argument. Your argument only shows that easily lead people will follow whoever is in charge. Clearly, we don't need go to fuck up.
elspoko 1 day ago
@PartyAllSeason *god to fuck up
elspoko 1 day ago
@elspoko now you are typing crap just coz of the sake of typing...this is known as RANTING...you are seriously fucked up...i guess you have had some personal bad experience...i guess some priest or mullah might have sexually molested you as a kid, which has caused a phobia of religion in you....most strong dislikes are due to personal traumas related to the subject...get well soon...may god bless you:))
PartyAllSeason 1 day ago
@PartyAllSeason Thanks for not refuting my claims. Thanks for at least having the common sense to not argue with someone that's better than you.
elspoko 1 day ago
@elspoko I do understand that you've had some bad times because of religion. Did you know JESUS was a very unreligious person? He had alot of bad things to say about the jewish religious leaders of his time. He called them full of spider webs and dryed bones.. That's what JESUS thought about religion. So you and JESUS have something in common. And you are right alot of evil things have been done in the NAME OF RELIGION. That don't make it right in GOD'S EYES! Think about it. OK
jackinthebox995 2 days ago
@jackinthebox995 Man, you're just not understanding. You don't want to understand. It's people like you that lead me to question the whole corrupt system of religion. People like you want to always separate Jesus from the corrupt system. What you don't understand is that he himself was a corrupt idol. A symbol of ignorance and blissful servitude. The lord is your shepard because you are the sheep being lead to the slaughter. If god were god, he would not need Jesus.
elspoko 2 days ago
@elspoko I understand that you hate religion. Jesus was the son of god! period! He is not a symbol! Yes I am his servant. With out Jesus in my life, I would be dead in sin. Believe me when I say this! He is the only way to salvation! Period! I know you don't believe in what I have said, but It's true. My faith in GOD and JESUS is the only thing that has kept me going for many years. I will not deny that their is a GOD or GOD'S SON! I'm sorry you don't feel that way. That's all I can say.
jackinthebox995 2 days ago
If there is a God, she forgot to give Hannity a brain.
337noname 1 month ago
oh mygod hitch you dirty man, GET WRECKED HANNITY
anomyouscoward 1 month ago
He forgot to mention that modern science was born out of Christianity, though. :shrug:
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias Christianity and religion are the brakes on progress silly boy
anomyouscoward 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias Completely true.
Well, except that Aristotle introduced the scientific method and empiricism. Otherwise completely true. Oh, and except for the various Muslim scientists 1000 years ago who refined the scientific method while Christians embraced superstition.
So Christians didn't create the foundation of modern science we continue to use today, they're still responsible for it at that point. Like Galileo! Wait a second...
TheMors666 1 month ago
@TheMors666 Galileo corroborated Copernicus which opened the door for modern physics. Also a devout Catholic educated by the Church.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias All true, and his findings were ruled heretical by the same church with the threat of execution; a stance that wasn't lifted until nearly a century later. Modern western science exists in spite of Christianity, not because of it.
While it is irrefutable that many devout individuals who contributed to science (Newton arguably being the best example) this is due to embracing the scientific method. Christianity deserves little of the credit.
TheMors666 1 month ago
@TheMors666 My point is that intellectual productivity has THE POTENTIAL to thrive under Christianity. C.S. Lewis and Tolkien are smart about making this point. Problem is we live in a secular society where religion is not what it should be at all. It's sad.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias Christianity has consistently fought in some form against virtually every modern example of science we now hold true. The only point you have, from the standpoint of science is that the scientific method and science in general exist in Christian societies but that it will usually hold it back.
If Catholicism =/= then you're in the vast minority of Christians. One wonders why you would pick Galileo if you didn't want to bring up Catholicism.
TheMors666 1 month ago
@TheMors666 I brought up Galileo because he's arguably the most important figure in the history of modern science and because he was a Christian. And I wouldn't say Christianity has fought against scientific progress so much as Christendom has fought against it. There is a difference. One is a belief system, the other is a bureaucracy.
Bureaucracy in academia also fights against progress, trust me, I would know. And for what it's worth I'm not a real Christian, just a theist who likes Jesus.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias Your argument now boils down to many contributors to modern science happened to be Christian. Hardly evidence that modern science was "born out of Christianity".
Yes Christendom has fought against scientific progress more than Christianity as a concept. Dictatorships repress people more than the concept of fascism does. Ideas can have elements that stifle progress, but it is when they are put into practice when we notice it most. And historically, Christianity hinders progress.
TheMors666 1 month ago
@TheMors666 I'm not trying to argue. Just telling the truth as I see it. I refuse to believe that Christianity has hindered progress as most of my favorite Art is centered around Christian themes and PLENTY of contributors to modern science and philosophy were Christian—off the top of my head: Leibniz, Newton, Kant, Pascal, Kierkegaard, Tolkien, Lewis, etc., not to mention the non-Christian theists. Atheism is (imo) a vain and hopeless philosophy that makes false claims in the name of progress.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias Very little of that has anything to do with your original statement that modern science was born out of Christianity, which what I was refuting.
Your only argument is that several scientists happened to be Christian. You haven't demonstrated at that Christianity has even helped modern science, never mind claiming responsibility for it. On the other hand, there are several examples of it stifling science.
Atheism isn't a philosophy; it is a lack of belief in Gods.
TheMors666 1 month ago
@TheMors666 ... Which is a philosophical doctrine.
And all I'm saying here is that given the course of progress science has taken and scientific history it appears that the Church played a big role in how we got to where we are now. Christianity has always been a religion of logos.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias There are plenty of philosophies which don't include God. Existentialism, Nihilism, Buddhism, Materialism, Naturalism, etc. These are all philosophies which some atheists may subscribe to, but none of these are atheism as a philosophy.
Atheism has no comment on morality, philosophy or science. It does not explain anything. All Atheists do have philosophies of some sort, but atheism itself isn't one. Atheism doesn't make false claims because it makes no claims.
TheMors666 1 month ago
@TheMors666 The fathers of existentialism were Kierkegaard and Nietzsche. Kierkegaard lived what appeared to be a decently fulfilling life whereas Nietzsche was a miserable madman. Further, Buddhism invokes a sort of inner godliness.
Atheism is a philosophical doctrine that for me leads straight to nihilism. And I don't agree with nihilism at all.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias Once again, it isn't a philosophical doctrine. It is nothing more or less than a lack of belief in God(s). It doesn't justify its position, it doesn't explain why. It offers no explanations on anything, including as to why you should agree with it. It is a descriptive label and nothing more.
TheMors666 1 month ago
@TheMors666 Atheism is a philosophical doctrine whether or not you want to admit it. It is a position that holds that no gods exist, thus greatly effecting its adherents approaches to philosophy and life in general. If it weren't a philosophical doctrine, we'd see way more similarities in the writings of Kierkegaard and Nietzsche. Sorry, bro.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias Atheism is not a position that holds that no Gods exists. It is a description for a person with a lack of belief in Gods. Asserting something isn't true and not believing something to be true are two different concepts.
TheMors666 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias And once again you're insisting that the Church has played a large role in terms of where we are now in regards to the progress of science and scientific history but aren't demonstrating how. For any argument you might have (which we have yet to hear) there are many more examples of the church stifling scientific progress.
TheMors666 1 month ago
@TheMors666 Religion has always been a moderating influence in societies. If everyone were an atheist, we'd probably have a lot more immorality going on as many people need the possibility of cosmic or supernatural retribution to get their acts together. Taking this into consideration, I could argue that because of its alleged "stifling [of] scientific progress," Christianity in Europe and America has prevented the formation of a decidedly corrupt and entirely secular government as seen in the
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias The trend we see now is that the more secular governments tend to be the better adjusted ones. The US is entirely secular.
Stalin's Russia and Mao's China were atheist societies but weren't bad because they were atheists societies; they replaced one set of dogma for another.
You could argue the stifling of progress prevented a corrupt government but would have no evidence to support the claim, you'd just be asking "what if".
TheMors666 1 month ago
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@TheMors666 "Atheism is not a position that holds that no Gods exists. It is a description for a person with a lack of belief in Gods. Asserting something isn't true and not believing something to be true are two different concepts." True, but in common parlance atheism usually implies the former whereas agnosticism implies the latter.
So what you're after is a godless and completely humanistic society without dogma? Pretty sure that's not possible given human nature.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@RyanMatthias
in what way does that make it true?
FellOnSoundGarden 1 month ago
@TheMors666 (cont.) examples of Stalin's Russia and Mao's China, thus allowing scientists continued freedom and progressive potential.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
@TheMors666 Also, Christianity =/= Catholicism (pretty sure that Church is all about power)
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
Okay Hannity started talking a little sense towards the end.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
Who is God, and why should I trust Him? These are things no media whore like Hannity or Hitchens can ever answer for me.
RyanMatthias 1 month ago
Hitch believed in war death and destruction.He hated Muslims most of all and supported the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.One less neo-con warmonger to see on TV.
theseventhprotocol 1 month ago
@theseventhprotocol HItchens may have supported the war in Iraq, but he is no warmongering neo-con. He hated all religions. It just so happens that his hatred of Islam is more publicized. If you read any of his writings at all you would see that he was a great Humanists that stood up to the insanty of all irrational thought.
robertrHNPS 1 month ago
Wow,,,hannity got smacked down. No wonder he doesnt allow or debat intellectuals on his show anymore.
stonethemason 1 month ago
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A person whose diet is deficient in nitrilosidic foods (those foods rich in Amygdalin, the substance whose molecularity is 1 part: the natural analgesic benzaldehyde, 1 part: hydrogen cyanide, 2 parts: glucose) is incapable of stopping the over-production of malignant cells (cells known as tumorous, trophoblastic, healing, pre-embyonic, anaplastic, neoplastic, neoplastigenic, placental) ergo this person has cancer.
EasingDifficulties 1 month ago
Who watch's Fox News and why ?????
sonuEEE 1 month ago
"That could well be right" he says, in response to being accused of intellect. Ha! Hitchens was downright sexy in his arrogance. RIP, you charmer.
Mollybad 1 month ago
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Hitler ushered in, with the backing of the families: Carnegie, Rockefeller & Vanderbilt, National Socialism (corporatism). Deviant Christ' Hitchens spoke in favor, ALWAYS, of furtherance of American corporatism. Christ' Hitchens NEVER advocated obedience to the U.S. Constitution. He supported undeclared war (total war in the Arab sphere), fractional reserve banking with its fiat currency, and U.S. military intervention on a planetary scale. He supported Fidel Castro too.
procommenter 1 month ago
Why does Fox News hire such retards?
FreeFromWar 1 month ago
Thank you for posting this video, Sean Hannity is awesome. This video shows what a great person he is. The hate heaped on Hannity is nothing more than a product of those haters insecurity or low self esteem. God is love.This interview is very civil and conducted very effectively. Liberals hate Hannity because they know he is right. If he were to be so stupid, moronic, etc... than it would obvious to everyone and no one would take him seriously. That proves he is correct in his opinions.
desmetde 1 month ago
@desmetde i know youre not serious
tseng13 1 month ago
Hitchens loved debate so much that he would engage with anyone willing - even a fucking moron like Sean Hannity.
acinodras 1 month ago
Somebody stab Hannity, please
feyd8194 1 month ago
@feyd8194 I think somebody just did.
Catonian1 1 month ago in playlist Christopher hitchens
RIP Chris
joeylodes 1 month ago
@joeylodes he's not
gmaster4444 1 month ago
LONG LIVE THE KING
parisruiz1 1 month ago
they are both idiots.
Dabeydoo62 1 month ago
The religion "problem" is just something so people can masturbate all over themselves and avoid having to deal with real problems. Global warming, nuclear weapons, centralization, increased power of large organizations...these are the real problems we should be worrying about because they pose the greatest threat to human existence and freedom. Whether Ma and Pa kettle hate homosexuals isn't particularly important, so why aren't we focusing on things that actually matter?
duckdown1993 1 month ago
Religion has never provided anything save a false sense of security and intolerance to others. All that charity Sean mentions was provided by people, who religion or no, would be caring and ethical enough to help their fellow man
LabyrinthOfDream 1 month ago
about hitler, would you say that since we all use him to smear our enemy, we all agree that he/someone can be bad? that maybe sometimes it's good to 'judge'? that even though he was trying to cause evolution of his species, he was bad in a moral sense? i just like common ground, that's all. thought we might could meet there.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary Hitler was a severely disturbed individual. We'll leave it at that.
He was, however, a vegetarian on ethical grounds.
Any person exhibits a range of attitudes based on a range of experiences. The issue is when somebody allows those views to empower them to harm others.
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a reasonable person who didn't disagree with the horrible things that Hitler did.
letimotei 2 months ago
@letimotei so... do you think he's bad? once again, you're losing me bro.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
the first two are to 'letimotei', the middle one to those named 'jesussuckedgaypenis' and the last two to 'truckcompany'. sorry i don't know how to send from my email...explicative...explicative...!
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
as far as being able to explain everything, that's quite the claim. dawkins or hitchens didn't say it i know. but what if some day they did? what if someday, someone empirically verifies that something can come from nothing, and that phyisiology can give birth to the metaphysical? would these discoveries suddenly negate the benefits of living your life based on biblical principles?
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
i apologize for not having read the same stuff, i guess. we're different people. but i think that to prove that animals engage in self-sacrificial acts would require you to prove that they chose those actions. please explain to me how animals make such value judgements? or how the holy spirit of evolution would guide them to make these judgements?
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
in the same way that christians (religious folks) have to leave spiritual matters aside when attempting to discuss things with materialists/humanists, i think that rock stars and others whose reasoning skills are mostly in winning popularity contests should check their customary tactics at the door. this topic does not need added emotion or applause seekers. i would be pointing at the name callers, and inflammators whose lack of sincere pursuit for truth shows they are just trolling.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
i do assume God exists. everyone does. nobody thinks (since it cannot be
proven) that something can come from nothing. in your mind there is something/someone who has Godlike
characteristics, primarily being eternal. for atheists who only believe
that visible or physically measurable things exist, then the physical
universe becomes your God, which is why evolution is then required to
explain morality
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary The theory of evolution by natural selection (which, contrary to religious protest, is considered fact) says nothing of morality. It is an entirely amoral concept.
As for "something coming from nothing", the question of the genesis of the universe is, as yet, unanswerable with confidence. But, as the physicist Richard Feynman said, "I don't feel frightened by not knowing things".
Why fill gaps with nonsense? Why not just leave them as temporary gaps?
letimotei 2 months ago
@letimotei Really appreciate the correspondence, but, are you basically just agreeing with my assertion that evolution doesn't account for key aspects of the human condition like morality, or value judgements, or sacrificial love etc?
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary It *absolutely* does. See my previous post.
letimotei 2 months ago
are you telling me that there is an animal in history who after weighing his options, decided that preservation of his species was important (#1) and that the best way to achieve that was to take some kind of self-sacrificial action that helped another at cost to himself (#2)?
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary There is one such species, he's known as Homo sapiens sapiens.
But on a serious note:
I earnestly recommend you investigate a few biological processes that are selection-based (molecular genetics, adaptive immunity). A basic understanding of these processes may well show you that the principles behind the process of natural selection are found everywhere.
These phenomena exist, not by choice, but because they are successful. If they were not successful, they would not be.
letimotei 2 months ago
@letimotei I accept that limited adaptive changes are being made by all things down here all the time. i think everyone can see that. It's a giant leap from that concept to the idea that everything came from one thing based on this currently evident principle of adaptation. And the idea that concepts of spiritual matters, morality, values, etc are the product of adaptation seems to defy the common sense that tells me adaptation does happen in the first place.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary Not so. Morality is essential for harmonious co-existence of human communities, and the ability of humans to form communities is a large contributor to our success as a species.
These things are not as mysterious as many would have you believe. There are logical and cohesive arguments to support their development. It does not make them any less marvellous, however.
letimotei 2 months ago
@letimotei i have a couple of personal questions regarding evolution. (probably answerable by some of these books i'm supposed to read, but to lazy to) 1: To me, it doesn't make sense that if humans were the top of the evo-ladder all species wouldn't be en route to something like us. Evolution doesn't allow for a species to get comfortable and stall out right? 2: viruses and spores are way more effective at survival than us, are they the future?
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary Let me preface this post by saying that if you never seek out knowledge (ie, by researching), you will remain forever ignorant.
1) There is a common misconception among creationists that humans are supposed to be "more evolved" than other species on this Earth. This is not the case. We all share a common ancestor, and we have all evolved in different directions to fill different niches. Humans have simply been able to subvert the process by modifying our environment to suit us.
letimotei 2 months ago
@letimotei so evolution is more of a wandering/aimless type of change where if you're lucky you find your species occupying a 'niche' for a bit? i always thought it was progress in a continuous direction, almost purposefull.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary Words like "aimless" and "purposeful" are generally avoided at all costs by rationalists who discuss evolution due to their deterministic connotations. The process is neither purposeful nor purposeless, as there is no (apparent) agent behind its construction.
A better word with a similar feeling is "random." The mutations are random, and their reproductive success is determined by the natural selective pressures that act upon them.
letimotei 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary 2) Viruses and spores are not "more effective at survival", we simply find some of them very hard to kill. The fact is, the human species could lose 99.9% of its population and still have 7 million people.
The human race has faced extinction before, and it is around that time that we are thought to have begun to increase markedly in intelligence.
These are complex and fascinating topics that cannot be fully explored in a YouTube comment.
Do the research.
letimotei 2 months ago
@letimotei not better at survival just very hard to kill? sometimes you lose me.
one of my favorite authors, says 'if you can't explain it to a child, then you probably don't understand it very well yourself'. he was really smart. i think that although the processes might be complex (molecular biology, quantum physics etc) and fascinating, explanation and application should be simple. kind of an 'all the law and prophets hang on this- love God by loving your neighbor' type statement?
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary Your previous statement was "spores are way more effective at survival than us", which isn't necessarily true for two reasons: 1) we function in entirely different ways. For example: a great number of them can be destroyed by direct contact with detergents or UV light, whereas we cannot, and 2) it's not even clear whether they can be considered classically "alive" to begin with.
I think you're choosing to be confused so as to try and draw me out to your preferred conclusion.
letimotei 2 months ago
@letimotei P.S. I meant to refer to viruses when speaking about detergents and UV light. Spores can only be destroyed by aldehydes. Spores themselves are simply resistant packages of microbial DNA whose ultimate destiny is to once again resume life as a bacterium (such as Clostridium tetani or Bacillus anthracis - the bacteria behind the tetanus and anthrax toxins, respectively); they are not whole organisms themselves as they lack any immediate reproductive potential, parasitic or otherwise.
letimotei 2 months ago
@letimotei i'm pretty sure that if we were exposed to the same amount of chemicals or radiation we'd be done to. i know that bleach doesn't do your body good. adjust the amounts of substance to a ratio of the mass of the exposed organism, like micro-organisms are small so they get less bleach, and then see which of us lasts.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary On the whole, you're correct.
The difference is that we have a complex epithelial structure whereas the microorganisms we're speaking about have far simpler barriers. Enveloped viruses, for example, only need tiny amounts of detergent to rupture their envelopes.
Long-story short: we're not just big versions of small organisms. We're different.
letimotei 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary As a final note, remember that this is a YouTube commenting stream and that each comment has a 500 character limit. If we were face to face I'd be able to be patient and thorough, but as it stands I'm simply trying to rebut points as succinctly as I am able.
letimotei 2 months ago
@letimotei so to wrap up, random sounds better than aimless, we all think hitler was bad (but bad is just whatever doesn't contribute to the tribe), 'we' don't know where it all came from in the beginning but not knowing is good, and humans do have something different from the animals -morality- but it doesn't mean anything because we are animals? i have, honestly, enjoyed the back and forth. i just always feel like i'm being told an elaborate story to convince me to eat the poop.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary True on all points, except that "morality" could be said to exist in other animal species too. It's our human egocentricity that makes us want to be "superior" or "different" to other animals. In reality, we're all very similar.
letimotei 2 months ago
can someone please tell me how to reply to a reply to a comment i make on youtube!!!!
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
i don't like the tactic of taking jabs all along the way to your point. Hitchens aswers any question by bringing up 100 new issues. His goal is always to create a general feeling of contempt, as though it would be impossible for us to pursue any assertion to a conclusion. It proves nothing to point at all the rabbit trails en route to the goal if you never see the end of any of the trails. You have go all the way down the one you want to know about. It would be tiresome, i know. but honest
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
"You seem to be angry at God"
How does Hannity still have a job? How has nobody realized how thick he is?
rockermanmatt 2 months ago
Has it ever occured to Hitchens and others that there are dimensions we don't know about? GOD doesn't "supervise" our lives. We have free will. You can do as you please, you just have to answer for it. You have to do this now in our society.
galenmark 2 months ago
Another word for an anti-theist is GODhater.
galenmark 2 months ago
Being an Atheist is kinda like being the only sober person in the car and nobody will let you drive.
JesusSuckedGayPenis 3 months ago 103
People, myself included, unconsciously look for patterns to complete an understanding on whatever. This can be seen when you see god on your toast or animals in the clouds. These examples relate to many peoples belief. Why can't people be comfortable with the notion that the universe has always existed. We look at birth and death, beginning and end and fail to realize that we are connected to the universe completely. It's all a form of energy off set by a factor of 1 imbalance.
Timetowatchbadvideos 3 months ago
Hannity wouldnt take him on live in case he butchered him, he got to edit the tape to his liking. Asshole but not stupid cause he knows he isnt in his intellectual realm.
dom44444 3 months ago
to idiot that posted the clip: You are very stupid and angry at life as shown in your angry comments pasted to the video at the end. What do you need profanity to convey your atheist message? Hitler did all his crimes in the name of the his gods: atheism, social Darwinism, and theory of evolution. Well, perhaps your thinking like Hitlers thinking are primitive and need to evolve. God bless Sean Hannity.
shaguava 3 months ago
@shaguava Hitler had inscribed upon the Nazi belt buckle "Gott mit uns", meaning "God with us".
To read more about Adolf Hitler's religious ambiguity, pay Wikipedia a short visit.
I'd be interested to see you struggle to create a coherent causal link between an understanding of the theory of natural selection and the tendency to commit mass genocide, paint bad art and sport an unsightly moustache.
Maybe it's because you actually haven't given a lot of thought to the ideas you condemn.
letimotei 3 months ago
@letimotei "Hitler had inscribed upon the Nazi belt buckle "Gott mit uns", meaning "God with us"."
There is your first problem. Wikipedia has been known to be wrong in the past. Hitler may have believed in God but I am sorry, It was NOT the God of the Bible. I get a bit tired of hearing Atheists talk about Jesus as if anyone who claims to be a Christain is acutally one. Read the BIBLE to find out what it says a Christain is! The fact that Many argue over what it means shows they DONT READ IT.
abeeftec 3 months ago
@abeeftec I don't think it really matters if he was a Christian by YOUR definition or by the Bible's definition.
What matters is that he was a Christian by HIS definition, and thus carried out his atrocities in the name of HIS idea of God.
That is the point. Not the symantics you attempt to throw out as a smoke-screen to somehow discredit the argument. Hitler may not have fought in the name of YOUR God, but he fought in the name of a god in general.
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred I suppose you will write me another message in PM telling me how I started with you again after you thought it was over?
As far as HITLER, I THINK I SAID THE BIBLES STANDARD NOT MINE. His standard was OBVIOUSLY not the Bibles as the Bible tells ALL Christains not to be involved in Government since we are a people not of this world system! If you knew anything about the Bible you would know its not symantics.There U go again speaking on things U know nothing about. Typical.
abeeftec 3 months ago
@abeeftec His standards were obviously not the Bible's standards, yes. But again, that's not the point. Regardless of who's standards he lived up to, he believed, in his heart, that he was fighting in the name of God.
That is the point. The entire point. Not who's god he was fighting for. Not if he was right or wrong. The point - simply - is that he commited atrocities in the name of God.
So yes, all else is just useless symantics.
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred You have got to be kdding me! He did NOT believe in God! Or that he was fighting for God! Would it be difficult for you to see that people do selfish things in the name of God just to have a reason for thier selfishness? I highly doubt in his heart he thought God wanted to kill the Jews!! Not the Jews of the Old Testement for certain. And My point will always be that just because someone calls themself a Christain doesnt make them one. Symantics is what the atheist sees
abeeftec 3 months ago
@abeeftec I seriously encourage you to do some research prior to posting your next comment because you are embarrassing yourself.
Hitler is even known to have justified his anti-semitism partially *because* of a faith in God. If you give the book The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity a read, you'll see that Hitler saw Jesus as the original Aryan anti-semite.
As an interesting aside, Hitler was also a vegetarian on ethical grounds.
letimotei 3 months ago
@letimotei And I seriously encourage you to do some actual research because JESUS was not an Anti Semite at all! in fact, Jesus CAME TO HIS OWN AND THEY RECEIVED HIM NOT!
Get real, The fact that Hitler saw Jesus as Hating his very own heritiage shows his ignorance. And the fact that you say I am embarrassing myself absolutely shows you as a numbskull. My point was that Hitler was NOT a Christian at all. Nothing more. Its as if you are trying to prove he was! The BIBLE Declares what one is!
abeeftec 3 months ago
@abeeftec I didn't say that Jesus was an anti-semite, I was saying that there's strong evidence contrary to your false claim (that Hitler committed atrocities in the name of atheism). If you're able to accept this gross misappropriation then we can all move on.
letimotei 3 months ago
@abeeftec Actually, the Bible says in 1 Peter chapter two verse thirteen:
"13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right."
YOU, are the one speaking on things you know nothing about.
letimotei 3 months ago
@letimotei So what are you trying to say in quoting that verse? It means NOTHING to what we are talking about.
Or did you do a quick Google search with a word you wanted to use in a sentence biblically to make some point that you fail to make? Because if you keep at this you are going to make yourself look foolish because you dont know the Bible at all. Its clear.
So tell me Mr. well versed, What did you quote this verse for?
abeeftec 3 months ago
@abeeftec This is what you said: "the Bible tells ALL Christains not to be involved in Government since we are a people not of this world system!" The verse I quoted shows you to be misplaced in your proclamation.
And, not that it's any of your business, but I am very well versed in scripture from years of dedicated research.
letimotei 3 months ago
@letimotei "This is what you said: "the Bible tells ALL Christains not to be involved in Government since we are a people not of this world system!"The verse I quoted shows you to be misplaced in your proclamation."
Do you realize you are COMPLETELY mixing Ideals? 1. Jesus fullfillment of the Law has to do with redemption. His saying obey ordinances has to do with showing yourself not be a trouble maker as a christain. But Jesus does teach us NOT to be intwined with World Politics.
abeeftec 3 months ago
@abeeftec Part 2
How about this verse for proof....
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world:but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,that ye may prove what is that good,and acceptable,and perfect,will of God.
When he speaks of "World" he is speaking of this Perishing world system.I doubt you have looked at any of this in STUDY.You more so read is all.U dontt know how to rightly divide truth.Which I am sure is why you are currently running from the truth.U dont know it
abeeftec 3 months ago
@abeeftec Well you clearly didn't read the Wikipedia article, as it doesn't mention the belt buckle in there at all. I got that information from a separate source.
I, equally, get very tired of ignorant religious zealots, such as yourself, who try and blame atheism for the atrocities that horribly sick individuals have committed.
As a side note, the Bible never addresses the issue of "what a Christian is", precisely because the Bible pre-dates modern Christianity by a thousand years or more.
letimotei 3 months ago
@letimotei You are a typical Atheist, I never blamed atrocities on Atheism. Where do you come up with your rebuttals? The Bible does Address the issue of WHAT A CHRISTAIN IS exactly. Again another atheist speaking on a topic he knows NOTHING about!! The age of a writing means nothing. Thats your first problem. Your second problem is that you assume too much. Many epistles speak on Christian behavior and the entire new testement is about what it is to be a Christian.Read it before you comment
abeeftec 3 months ago
@abeeftec Incorrect. The epistles consistently refer to the Jewish teachings, as their writers were all Jews, not Christians. For a Jew to believe that Jesus was the messiah was contemporarily acceptable in the Jewish faith. Matthew 5:17 quotes Jesus as having said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
letimotei 3 months ago
@letimotei Whats your point? You keep making points that mean NOTHING. I can have a conversation with many people here, even disagree with them and its fine. But with you, You keep spouting off that I dont know what I am talking about while you reference things that have Nothing to do with the preceeding comments.
abeeftec 3 months ago
@abeeftec This is what you (abeeftec) said: "Many epistles speak on Christian behavior and the entire new testement is about what it is to be a Christian."
This is what I said: " Incorrect. The epistles consistently refer to the Jewish teachings, as their writers were all Jews, not Christians."
The (obvious) point being that the Jewish writers of the epistles were giving instruction on how to be a faithful *Jew* not a *Christian*.
letimotei 3 months ago
@abeeftec And *yes you did* blame Hitler's atrocities on his Atheism. I quote your previous post: " Hitler did all his crimes in the name of the his gods: atheism, social Darwinism, and theory of evolution"
Why do you continue to contradict yourself?
letimotei 3 months ago
@letimotei "Why do you continue to contradict yourself?"
i did NOT say that someone else did. You must live in oblivion. please quote the ENTIRE post NAMES AND ALL and show that I said that. You are INSANE.
abeeftec 3 months ago
@letimotei History records that Hitler was a devout believer in Darwinism, i.e., give nature a helping hand by killing all the weak, deformed, sick, gay, Jews, Gypsies, and any other misfits. He renounced Catholicism and converted to heathenism. He wanted to stamp out Christianity in Europe because Jesus was an "Eastern man," that is a Jew! So why don't you try to read more history. Whatever Hitler had on his belt was just vestiges of his former belief or propaganda.
shaguava 1 month ago
@shaguava I'm not sure where you got the information for that little rant, but it certainly wasn't from any reliable historical source.
Have you even read a word of Mein Kampf?
That book will put any ambiguity to rest.
letimotei 1 month ago
@letimotei The info I gave you was all from documentaries that I watch about Hitler on the History channel or read about in history textbooks. Both are expert reliable sources that use primary documents for what they cite. If you like, copy and paste my statements about Hitlers evil beliefs and plans into Google search and you will see results come up to verify them from reliable sources.
shaguava 3 weeks ago
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letimotei 2 weeks ago
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@shaguava You're an idiot.
Read the first few pages of Hitler's own Mein Kampf (Hitler's autobiography).
In it, Hitler himself says:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Learn to research effectively before regurgitating religious propaganda.
letimotei 2 weeks ago
that is so childish at the end ("there is a god")
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hengamesayad 3 months ago
Saying that god (who by definition we cant understand) is the explanation for the beginning of the universe is the same as saying there is no explanation. How is this any better than saying we dont know? God is extra and unnecessary.
OptometristItachi 4 months ago
@OptometristItachi God is not EXTRA and unncessary.Thats your thinking, not reality.God IS the reason and his necessity keeps this world from going deeply insane.You think because there are religious nuts and even Christain nuts that those who dont believe are superior because you dont hear of a non religious person doing crazy things.Thats ALSO not true! A lot of people who kill and steal dont believe in God at all! Prisons are Full of them!But you keep seeing it however makes you feel better
abeeftec 3 months ago
LOL
symnzXx 4 months ago
Hannity just summed up my frustration with the religious side of the argument. Not believing in any god doesn't automatically mean I believe life sprang from nothing. All it means is that I don't believe in a bunch of biblical, garbage and acknowledge that NOBODY can possibly know how we got here. It's not one or the other. And such specific, granular claims of having all the answers require tangible, logical proof and evidence. Not the other way around.
bman0341 4 months ago
WHAT! I don't get it when a religious person says that they can't believe in the 'Big Bang' as someone had to create the world/universe............ but they are ok with 'God' just magically appearing from nothing...
lynlann 4 months ago
haha hannity the lightweight.
Grutch 4 months ago
Sure Hannity is an idiot.
vinegarthomas 4 months ago
I'm minorly religious and do enjoy Hitchens, but I gotta be honest, lots of the atheists here are just as narrow minded as the Christians they are accusing of being so. They all seem to believe that they are an elitist enlightened and infallible group, and that anyway who disagrees with them is a dogmatic moron. I do not consider myself above someone who has a different belief system than me.
didi725 4 months ago
@didi725 I agree with you in part, but I'd also like to present the "ardent atheist" side (given that I am one).
I consider myself above someone who never questions the unsubstantiated beliefs that were taught to them as a child, above people who practice their beliefs without adequate understanding of the implications of them, and especially above people who insist on forcing beliefs onto children. And no, I don't think I'm narrow minded, if someone presented evidence of Christ I'd convert.
MrEdLoop 4 months ago
@MrEdLoop got news for you.Society FORCES their beliefs on Children.You are a product of such bigotry. You cant escape this and therefore you are not above this.You saying you are above anyone is proof of your bias and shows your ignorance to the fact that you have presuppositions just as anyone else does.There is a way to blow these presuppositions away and learn on the basis of truth.one must honestly assess their condition to do this. you have not given heed to your biases but embraced them
abeeftec 3 months ago