1st off, as a black person is it too much to ask not to compare us and our HUMAN rights to animals? Its deeply offensive and shows alot of ignorance, if u said that in front of me things would get messy real quick, so dont say that to black ppl on the street is my advice.
2nd ur point about us seeing the evil because we oppose factory farming is hardly relavent, thats like saying ban the internet cus some sites are forbidden.. Theres evil in the corners of every market, incl the vege racket.
im a vegetarian and i believe that to move forward in our world we need to understand that pain is pain and death is death no matter who or what it is to. I'm not christian but noah didn't save those animals so they could die. people don't realize the value of animals because to us they are like the modern day slave. Not in that they work but in that they don't matter to our society now as much as they will in the future when we have another "great enlightenment".However you made good points
I didn't watch the whole video, I stopped at your point 2. I don't eat animals solely for pleasure, I eat them because I believe it is more healthy to do so.
Although, I appreciate that you didnt go to the lengths of dressing up like a cow and reading some little faggy emo poem like Onision does in all his stupid videos.
My family hunts, we eat the deer we kill. The meat from the kill over an open fire is one of the most amazing things youll ever taste in your life, excellent soyrce of protein and other vitamins as well. and knowing that you yourself prepared this meal, no hormones etc. needed makes it all the better.
I see nothing wrong with killing and eating animals. They are a very good source of protein and essential vitamins and if someone enjoys that as part of their diet, let it be.
I agree, torturing animals and mass slaughter and preservatives and hormones etc. all for the sake of making a few quick bucks with places like mcdonalds and burger king is stupid and should be stood up against.
"Animals can not survive on their own if we let them out of their manmade cages". What kinds of retarded and blatantly ignorant statement is that. They were around, before stupid humans tampered with their living conditions, and chemical balance.
@starfaery Never heard of selective breeding? Farmers bred the animals to be submissive and produce alot of food essentially taking away all thier survivability.
@666or999 This is not surported by anything I've heard, by science, or TV. It's torture, not selective breedng, and if you've seen "Earthlings" you'll know what I mean.
Oh btw Jacob, if you based your diet on "raw vegetables" only, you'd have also allot health problems like a raw "meat eater", turns out our bodies are not prepared to properly digest and suck all the nutrients from raw vegetable matter either. So i guess the whole "raw meat" meat thing is another cute rethoric sleeve trick activists like to pull on our fact-searching lazy selfs.
Your economic videos are interesting, but this is ad hominem and emotional fallacy galore.
Meat eating = slavery? wtf
killing animals as to do with taste only? speak for yourself and the rest of couch potatoes that get their food all packed up and boxed.
Raw meat is not natural? well we don't have the necessity anymore since we found out cooking eliminated the hazards, but we ate raw meat for millions of years, so wtf is natural in your book? is it objective or subjective?
its a simple equation, all the acres we need to clear to plant vegetables and soy (above all) cut on territory animals use to hunt/forage and graze, breed and sleep, so vegetarians will kill by "indirect fire".
I became a vegetarian because I strongly believe a more compassionate, critical outlook for the well being of all conscious life can only make me a more affectionate and virtuous human being.
I try to broaden my concerns for an equal consideration of all life.
The political, social and economic implications for such an outlook, I believe can only have positive concequences for all concerned, because it centralises a concern for all :)
@lanceawatt there's a fine line between being a vegetarian/vegan and being a vegan activist, or put blind trust in vegan activist groups.
I believe that many vegan activist groups such as PETA and CSPI have hidden agenda, tell people lies for various political goals, and that they do more harm than good.
@lanceawatt Take CSPI for example. They go out of the way to prove that saturated fat is harmful; they have an article about palm oil field destroying endangered species' habitat, which is totally true (they also discussed its harmful effect on humans, which is not true). However, their suggestion in the article: substitute with corn/soy oil is simply not an option. These kinds of oil are indeed detrimental to human health, not to mention corn/soy fields' harmful effect on the environment.
@lanceawatt continued. I don't have official proof that they are on monsanto's payroll, but judging from what they said for 20 years, it's fair to say that they are at least corrupt.
@90Rush if what you say is true than that makes Peta incompetent and stupid, lol.
Enough of what I have seen is true though... it's convinced me that some practices aren't something I can agree with. Even if Peta's corrupt man their are many different sources people can find out about stuff. I make up my mind from that and decide - these things I like, these things I don't like :)
I'm not like an activist either, people need to know whats right for them!
are you serious when you say u care more about humanity than animals? humans are the once causing the plight to this sentient beings and others and you want to talk about how humanity measures higher than animals
Yes, its true that we dont need to eat meat anymore but why would we sacrifice the joy of eating a decent meal and to replace it with hippie crap like tofu and soy. It will have a negative effect on men because its only going to increase estrogen levels and make them very fragile and probably gay. The vegan women ive seen look so lifeless. Like walking sacks of bones. I would say to just give up. The slaughtering of animals will never stop. Just eat some meat and joy the bit of life you have.
" We dont need animals to survive, we do it for pleasure". This argument can be easily refuted. Such arguments stem from the ridiculous idea that we should only do things that is important to our survival. Do you make youtube videos to survive? Do you read books play sports to survive? You do it for pleasure. And when you turn on your computer for your pleasure you contribute to global warming too, and its not important to your survival, throw away your pc and go live in a jungle.
@TheManOfVeal Yeah good luck with that, atleast non meat eaters don't need to go on a massive diet before they want to build some muscle mass. The only thing that you can do better than a vegetarian is being able to die from heart disease or high cholesterol.
You're saying we don't need to survive on animal meat "anymore". That sounds like an opinion and who the hell are you to say "what we don't need". Humans eat meat to survive, they are meat eaters always have been and always will be, this is as true today as it was millions of years ago. Food is "survival" DUH!! Are you going to tell a lion not to eat other animals because they don't have to with all that green in the forest ? Vegans sure sound retarded.
I want to say we don't eat animals for pleasure; I don't find eating animals pleasurable; I didn't when I was small, and that was innate as I knew no other vegetarians. However, I have heard something about brain chemistry and animal products.
many people are motivated by societal norms/capitalist greed/marketing.
the difference between how we kill them vs other animals is COMMERCIALISM. Disconnection. antibiotics. artificial insemination. etc
The problem with the "we have a choice" argument is WHY we have a choice between meat and plant-based diets, We have a choice because of decades or more of natural habitat destruction/disruption by the processes of commercial agriculture. A single hunter taking only what s/he needs has far less impact on the environment and natural habitats than the companies putting vegan alternatives on your grocery store shelves. Discuss?
I am not willing to kill any animal because I care about humans first and I'm willing to sacrifice that because I know I'm not supporting a system that does not aid in helping the human race out. By eating sustainably you are not taking resources away from someone else around the world starving. get it.
oh man you are so removed from your true self. You are brainwashed by the system. Watch documentaries and actually get a grasp of the environmental repercussions of producing animal products to the production to plant products. Look at the resources used to do both. Nobody would be starving anywhere if we were living food sustainably..aka local and organic and natural.
I'm not a vegetarian, but I applaud this video Jacob. Best argument I've seen for vegetarianism based on a nonhealth reason. Once again, I'm also a big fan because of your socialist vs. capitalist videos!
We do have to kill things to survive. Eating the animals for population control is the most effective & reasonable answer. If we completely deny the animals access to said resources then far more have to die then if we supplement the plants with meat. Banning horse slaughter caused this. Though it is true that vegan individuals are not always anti-capitalist the organizations to support it usually are & deny that humans are more important than animals being against things like insulin from cows.
@terrillcase1 I know this for a fact. No meat-head with a below average IQ will offer any convincing arguments to the contrary. Go ahead and try: ___________________________________
It is totally wrong to abuse an animal during its life, but there is nothing wrong with eating an animal for food. I love animals, and I would never hurt an animal for my own pleasure.
@LxE100 If you actually believe the animals you eat were treated "nicely," you are horribly mistaken. If you really care about animals, don't support the industries that abuse and slaughter them for profit. In other words, GO VEGETARIAN!
@1imesub My parents don't believe in unnatural nutrients. I know animals are treated terribly, but there's really nothing I can do about it. It's a very controversial subject in my house.
USUALLY ALL MEAT EATERS , WHEN CONSUMING SMALL ANIMALS, EAT ITS SHIT, URINE, BLOOD, VOMIT, PUS, ANUS, CUNT AND ALL THE FILTH/POOP THE ANIMAL HAS EATEN. DID YOU KNOW THAT ANIMALS SOMETIMES EAT THEIR OWN SHIT AND VOMIT.
AND THEY CLAIM MEAT TASTES BETTER THAN VEGETABLES !....THIS POINT IS NORMALLY NOT DISCUSSED. THUMBS UP IF YOU AGREE.
Damn... there is no way to read my "I dont care much about the animals" and just be cool with it! hehe
First I have to admit I may be morally wrong. But think with me. We feel pity for the animals because we can empathize with them. If we go with that logic we have to admit that our morality is limited to what we can empathize with.
We DO other morally wrong things for pleasure. The question is what are our "moral priorities"? Is this one worth all the engagement?
"We eat meat for pleasure." True, we don't need to eat meat to survive. But why not? I hate vegetables, I like meat. I have no reason to change, unless I stop "being evil." ;)
"Morality will evolve, and evolve and we will say wow we were barbaric." Evolution doesn't neccesserily bring benefites, it can change the direction. Especialy Moral evolution. Morality of today is based on compassion/pity/egalitarianism. If they start to weaken humanity, then we'll most likely lose them.
@IWantToUnderstandIt And theres a huge reason why disease has shot up 50% it the last 20 years, eating nothing but meat, poptarts and pepsi. Saying you hate vegetables is like saying you hate living a long life. Your just a product of society, eating everything the TV tells you then a few years down the road your going to be taking all the drugs that the TV tells you. Have fun living till 45 if your lucky
@coopmuch56 "Saying you hate vegetables is like saying you hate living a long life." You're correct, I hate long life. I like meat. Meat from my grandfather's farm contains no pesticides. Tomato does.
"eating everything the TV tells you" You don't even know if I own a TV, please don't make stupid claims.
"product of society" The fact that you wrote your comment in english means you are a product of society as well.
Now either stop trolling or write something that makes sense.
Adolph Hitler was a vegetarian that also shared your opinion about overpopulation. Thats why he murdered 6 million Jews. They were the problem, but animals were not to be harmed. Animal meat....original sin. Sex...original sin. These are things that arent going away until the end of days.
@CMink7777 actually he wasnt a vegetarian. He ate sausage. Einstein however, was a vegetarian, as well as Ghandi, and Weird Al Yankovich. Vegetarians are not 'good people', they are just people. any vegetarian claiming to be perfect or good is full of crap. We are all individuals, we all have our own path. Some are good, some are bad, some are whatever. You are just making excuses for urself dude.
It's best to ignore people who disagree with you on the internet. People are entitled to their opinions, on both sides. But the thing is, most people who fight vegans, in my experience, have been people that are just looking for excuses for themselves, so they come up with weird reasons not to give up eating animal products. Like they will grow a vagina or something 0_o lol I am an animal activist, but as a vegan I reserve myself for those who are willing to listen.
OK jacob do you honestly believe ploughing the world to feed vegans and mass culling of animals (as economic enemies of human agricultural production) and even more human overpopulation is a good idea? Vegans do not buy estates and allow the ecosystem to be untouched to sustain wildlife. Hunters do. I assume you also think its a good idea for Vets not to exist - they test extensively on animals
More and More Moral? This country is going down the tubes as far as morality goes. No offense but between all of the moral dillemas we have right now....crime, murder, adultery, etc....I think killing animals is the least of our concerns. Animal meat is considerd "original sin." Take the deer population for example-look how many die every year. If they werent hunted the populations would be more out of control. Thats fact not pleasure but you would argue the deer as more right to be here than us
@CMink7777 deer culling isnt about rights - it is about making the environment bearable for the deer - if you let them keep breeding and breeding they run out of resources really quite regularly and suffer - unless you are suggesting clearing entire countries for deer of course?
@CMink7777 no one would say that. It's not about one animals over the other, it's about not disrupting natural lives. deer dont overpopulate, people do, and people dont hunt because they want to help the environment, they do it because its fun. But still, its silly to say anyone would argue deer have more right to be here than we do, thats not what animal activism is about, it's about not imposing our wills on the rest of the planet, causing pain, when it is not necessary, for selfish gain.
@BiohazardBunney All animals hunt each other. All living beings disrupt each others habitats and lifestyles on a daily basis. How many bugs are killed when you drive your car every day? How many rabbits, squirrels, etc. Based off the philosophy you just described, in order to follow it to the letter of the law, we would have to start ridin bicycles or walking instead of driving. Deer over-pop is a fact that can be researched. Evidence is strong in roadkills alsone. Why let them go to waste?
@CMink7777 true, but to be honest with you my beef is not with hunting, its with factory farming, which is very different. It causes the largest form of environmental disaster on a global scale, and impacts the planet drastically in a very unnecessary way. BUT that's not really what we are talking about, I just think ecological reasons for hunting is bullshit. People hunt because its fun. Its a bloodsport. They like to kill. Doesnt make them evil, its just, dont lie about why you do it :P
I agree with most of the things you are saying. You are obviously intelligent and reasonable. You make some solid points. But man, you seem extremely arrogant. I think this is the problem with most vegan activists. Sort of like Bill Hicks said about 'self righteous non-smokers'...' I would quit smoking...but I'm afraid of turning into one of you!'.
@whybenorman I'm not a vegetarian but if I was to substitute self-righteous non-smokers in this equation, it would be the obnoxious anti-vegetarians. There are far too many meat eaters bitching about vegetarians' opinions just because they don't want to feel guilty next time they sit down for a steak.
@whybenorman He is indeed smart, as most people that take on this lifestyle do much research and become more educated. Unfortunately they do strike "some" as arrogant because they do take a higher moral ground, although they don't claim moral superiority-it is an ethical and moral cause. It does bother people that don't understand the praxis of Veganism, and a human defense mechanism triggers in those not yet enlighten, hence an inferiority complex develops, as you experience here for yourself.
@truth2748 My friend, the thing is that most Vegan activists DO claim moral superiority and even when they don't actually say : ' We are superior' ( which many do), they act 'above' others. When you actually ARE 'above', you don't feel the need to advertize the fact- modesty is a characteristic of the enlightened-. So, as what you say about inferiority complexes may be true in many cases, there surely is a comparable amount of Vegans with a superiority complex. Personally, I DO like the idea of
@whybenorman ..not having to kill animals for nutrition, but I am not convinced that it is completely healthy, or 'natural'. My natural urge and instinct to eat meat, and my logic, do not allow me to refrain from doing so. If, however at some point I changed my mind, I like to believe that I would not look down on other peoples opinions, instincts and logic, and especially not 'stomp' on them with self-righteous judgement like so many Vegan do.
@whybenorman I know many Vegans, and I've yet to hear one say, "I'm superior". That would make him/her, well, just and asshole. But, it may come to you as a self righteous virtue, when some one tells you that what you, and pretty much everyone else is doing(eating them) is morally wrong. Regarding the health issue, the information is coming along, very slowly, but its coming. It is hard to swallow new information, after everyone has been telling you for years, that the opposite is true.
@truth2748 It is not only completely healthy, "APA, ADA, CDA, WHO, CDC, UN, ACA, ADAA", etc., etc, etc. But also natural, since human physiology is that of frugivorous ape. You, we, do not have a natural instinct to eat meat, only carnivorous apex predators do. You don't see a gazelle, and run, and jump on his back and sink your teeth into him, do you?. No, you go to the market and choose your meat from the meat counter. This is in no way instinctual, nor part of the human condition, ever.
@truth2748 Humans do not operate on instinct anymore. We did eat meat as far as 2 million years ago though, when we did operate on instinct. Also humans are unique creatures and not all predetors have the same adaptations for hunting. Humans have thier own unique set. Also not all carnivores hunt. Remeber there are also scavengers, and what are modern humans but scavengers. Agriculture could be considered another way of gaining meat, right up there with hunting and scavenging.
@africandude1 I'm a 27 year veteran of medicine that frequents YT to try and eradicate common myths, about natural human diet and proper nutrition, current human condition, and animal rights. When you're ready to go beyond the typical simplistic analyses presented in the average college text book, I can provide first hand medical reports(I will simplify) which will explain what we in the professional medical community now know about human evolution, and our physiological standing.
@africandude1 All available scientific evidence(including my first hand accounts during 14 years of vivisection) indicates that humans are frugivorous apes. Regardless of how large and arrogant our cultural egos are, and regardless of unsupportable religious dogma created by ignorant people who knew absolutely nothing of biochemistry, comparative anatomy, genetics, or science thousands of years ago, our physiology is that of a frugivorous ape. This is common knowledge among our circle.
@africandude1 And finally, as a devoted open minded anthropologist, the notion of man the hunter is a romantic myth-big-game hunting added little to our food intake until after we had evolved fully modern anatomy and behavior. Now without entering into a complex realm that you may not be able to digest ...
@africandude1 Let me simplify this for you. If the human "is" a natural omnivore, then we should have ALL the physical and biochemical equipment that is NECESSARY to run down, kill with our bare hands, tear asunder, eat, and properly digest, RAW animal prey, just as ALL natural omnivores, or carnivores, do. I'm afraid the technical information asserting the aforementioned is, well, overwhelming.
@truth2748 you don't have to say it outright to be acting as if you are superior. You are doing it right now when you claim to be on higher moral ground because you don't eat meat. Honestly I have nothing aginst vegans though, only the ones who say we are not natural omnivores/eating meat is unnatural. People do have instinct to eat meat by the way , how do you suppose hunting came to be. We have eaten meat and hunted as long as we existed.
@africandude1 I'm not Vegan nor have I ever claimed to be on higher moral ground, and this perception on your part does however display an inferiority complex. You see, when someone does make the moral choice, others either join in, deny the choice at hand, or by human natural design, attack the virtue. This in common human behavior. We have also raped and pillage, but its time to evolve, or not- the australopithecus was indeed a scavenger, one of fruit, one of our oldest relatives.
@truth2748 Scavenger of meat. Fossil records indicate humans ate meat as far as two million years ago. In my opinion veganasim is okay but not "natural". There are nutrients that vegans can't get from plants, and must take supplements in order to gain.
@whybenorman And finally, when someone has found enlightment, they want to share it, wouldn't you?.Veganism is practically new in developed countries, specially western countries. The movement is strong and growing rapidly. So expect some enthusiastic and probably sarcastic young kid that is filled with excitement, and has yet to explain himself what he feels to the World.
@truth2748 Very true. Again, you make some very valid and logical points. So many vegans are intelligent, sensitive and caring people as you seem to be. This is one of the reasons that I concern myself with the issue. Concerning my cats - all 7 of them if you count my girlfriend's ones :) - , I understand your point completely. This is another reason which I concern myself with the issue. However, my sweet cuddly and loving cats can also be vicious predators, and many times they bring me...
@truth2748 slaughtered birds and mice while purring and basking in their own self-satisfaction. It is in their nature. I'm not saying that I like it, because I don't, but nature is vicious. I would very much like human kind to evolve to the point where it won't need, or want to eat meat. I just don't think we are there yet. As for the enlightenment part, I believe Buddhists feel enlightened also, but are not ' in your face' about it. The 'self-righteous' demeanor of many vegans hurts the cause!
@whybenorman Some say that a lion does not ponder the morality of killing a baby antelope, and neither should we, but this is exactly why we claim to be above other earthlings, because we have the moral ability to choose not to kill. To kill is immoral by all standards of society. To kill a being we consider below us(which they are not) is even worst. Just because we can doesn't make it just.
@whybenorman Continue. It is not our intelligence which makes us stand higher, it is consciousness. We are aware of ourselves and of our interactions with our environment. This implies responsibility, this creates ethical and moral values. It is immoral to let other creatures suffer just to have the pleasure to eat meat.
@truth2748 I understand and at some level share your observation and point. The thing is, that we are still animals. We still are driven by instinct. If this is a bad thing or not is a whole other discussion, which also leads to consecutive discussions concerning, the meaning of life, 'why are we here?', 'what is our goal as a species?'etc etc. Let me give an example and question: Sex is a very satisfying and enjoyable way of procreating. However, it is also unhygienic and can let to ...
@whybenorman We are animals indeed. But our level of awareness is what distinguishes our species from non-human animals. This awareness has permitted us to create a social structure with morality as the leading tenet of most cultures. Unfortunately our species, unlike others, was a natural mistake. A quick devastating vermin that continues to claim this precious planet. I'm not too concern with our goals per say, but what we can do to prevent our species from creating further damage.
@truth2748 ...life threatening diseases. Someone could make the point that having sex puts ourselves and others in danger, so why should we continue doing so if there are alternatives to procreating, just for pleasure. Is it wrong, or ''immoral'' to continue to have sex with eachother when we can procreate safely through medical procedures that do not require human contact and body fluid exchange? We could, but should we? Should all decisions we make be based on hard logic?
@truth2748 What I am trying to say is that the human experience is comprised of several levels of consciousness. And consciously we make many decisions everyday that could be perceived as illogical, or even just plain dumb. However we are driven by so many factors. Should we abandon them all in favor of the most logical, effective and efficient ones? Maybe one day we will, and maybe we will be happy to do so. But it is my opinion that this sort of change requires a whole lot of evolving first.
@truth2748 I speak in terms of ''logic'' and ''intelligence'' because I take for granted that all -or at least the vast majority- people do not like the idea of animals suffering for their pleasure. We share this basic morality, but after that, everyone's morals 'divert into very different paths. For me logic is a far better argument for not eating meat than morality, which is so varied, and vague at many times, depending on the person and his/her culture.
@whybenorman One more thing, since you brought up logic. I see that you have/like/keep an animal companion cat. This sentient being shares the same five senses that the meat bearing animal, let's say a pig, has. Actually, in terms of cognitive abilities, your cat does not even come close to a pig. Yet you choose to eat one, and keep the other at your side. What is the logic in that?. Next time you look into your cat's eyes, ask yourself this question.
@whybenorman He didn't come across that way to me, but it takes quite a bit to stir me up usually. I'm a male nurse so I'm used to overlooking the female backbiting and gossip of that environment.
@bigdsweet For your information, smartass, Albert Einstein was vegan. Hug a tree once in a while and you might be able to find that shift key on your keyboard.
WE ARE OMNIVORES. NOT CARNIVORES, NOT HERBIVORES. Some of us eat meat and veggies, some of us just prefer Veggies. WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT THIS SHIT?! I mean come on, grow the fuck up and smell the coffee! We kill animals because we want their flesh, it tastes fucking good to some people. So what if you don't want meat, ok, that's fine. Just fuck off and leave me to my fucking burger and salad.
@supernatural119 How should they be treated before killed? Loved and taken care of before a steel rod is shot through their head or lopped off? Seriously, I do not think there is any other method that is simplistic and clean without gore. Less there be some chemical induced death. But then there is the chance of contamination. Slaughter,is safer then other.
@NoManLP There is actually a machine that takes the animals' head and twists it around 360 degrees, then 360 degrees the other direction, and back again. Don't you think one time is enough?
@supernatural119 I'm pretty sure after the first 360 it's not gonna feel it the second time or a third. If you don't like it, don't look! Walk away. These animals are food, they aren't our friends. If you don't like seeing them killed because you love animals. Don't watch them being killed! Leave things be. I'm simply tired of people whining and complaining about animals who don't fucking matter in their daily lives.Why can't people stop arguing and move on?
@NoManLP Animals are not mindless. A good percentage of them are smarter than the average 3 year old human child. They can work tools and feel pain, both physical and emotion. My definition of mindless is an inanimate object who has no smarts whatsoever or the ability to feel. Go back to elementary school.
I am still waiting for the foundation of your morals so I can evaluate your arguments. You claim to use reasoning but you do not actually give it. Remember, as an atheist you have to explain from the ground up. You normally do an excellent job of explaining yourself when you speak about capitalism, but then again you usually are unintentionally inline with the same religious beliefs you do not subscribe to.
As someone who isn't a vegan (I assume you aren't vegan from your other videos) you did a fantastic job at combating his arguments. While I disagree with your point No. 9 (that humans are more valuable just because we are "more" sentient than non-human animals) you were spot on with almost everything.
woo woo get that zietgeist moving! yes in the future we will look back with shame on our murderous and violent ways. Humans operate largely on social pressure. All of society is in denial on this topic. Massive institutional, educational and legal denial. The moral hypocrisy is making us stupid and crazy because that's the only way the contradictions can exist.
Pleasure argument is lame. We do need to eat and thankfully we either evolved or were created (depending on your religious beliefs) with taste buds to make our food (plant and animal) taste good. D'oh.
The Vegan is no more morally or ethically right or wrong than any other religious group. You have your right to the religious doctrine "ahimsa" but that doesn't mean everyone has to convert to your religion (Veganism) to be moral or ethical.
Animals kill for pleasure. Wolves killed 15 sheep, didn't eat them, just for fun. Bear killed two goats at once, ate intestines of one goat, left the other alone. Dolphins kill for fun. We are omnivorous and several nutrients are far more common in meat than plants. We can digest meat and especially raw meat far better than plants. We are designed to hunt, kill and invent things. We don't have claws because we have a large brain and our body is made to keep it going.
@Mupyeong "We can digest meat and especially raw meat far better than plants"
This statement is completely wrong. Our digestive system is built for digesting plants, not meat.
We aren't hunters. We don't have claws, we don't have a large jaw with large pointy teeth, our stomach acid is far too weak to digest meat, our stomach is way too long to digest meat.
Also, our saliva is perfect for pre-digesting grains. We're very much alike natural herbivores.
@ElectroSapper We are not complete hunters, did not say so. We are omnivorous. (hunt, kill and INVENT) And wow, pre-digesting grains. Humans don't digest major parts of plants and if you'd take a look at the Enzymes. Humans have far more to digest meat. And we have two other things that are 100% not characteristic for plant eaters - large brain, eyes at the front, thumbs. The insides of our eyes are designed to make us able to hunt far more effective and we have a complicated language.
@Mupyeong We're excellent at digesting plants. Not plants with a hard waxy protection, like grass or leaves, but the regular ones we can eat. What do we have to digest meat? ...nothing really.
Look at us now. Forget all the hunting and surviving business. We aren't wild. We don't need meat.
@ElectroSapper You're turning the arguments around. I said that our body is made to eat meat and plants and needs meat and plants. I did not say we particularly need to hunt, but we need to survive and that's where your non-argumentation fails. I give you reasons and you argument on something that doesn't even serve your cause but just says 'poor animals'. We - as animals - have to obey the rules of biology and nature and thus have to eat animal products once in a while. Killing is part of the..
@ElectroSapper ..symbiosis we have with some animals. They survive on the food and care we give them and take things from them in return, otherwise some of them would be extinct. Just because we don't live in the wild anymore does not mean we can ignore facts. You run around the things I said about human bodies and just come with that ethical stuff. If animals were in our place, they'd do exactly the same as we two do now. Argue which diet is right. And to be on our level, you have to eat meat.
@Mupyeong Sure, we give them food, they give us food. That's a huge waste, because the amount of food and water you're giving is larger than the amount of "food" received in the slaughter. We're actually causing the extinction of the cattle's natural predators. We're controlling it all, even when it's clearly not our job to interfere in this natural process. I'm not only coming up with ethical stuff, look at the things I've said.
We don't need meat, it's only damaging our world and our people.
@ElectroSapper No we don't, the cattle didn't really have gigantic predators because they were far to big to be an easy prey - and too agressive. Ever heard of Black Angus? It's far easier for the definitely not extinct wolves to hunt down deer. And the amount of food cattle eats is basically not as much if we 1) wouldn't eat tons of meat 2) would let it grass. The damage is done by the food industry and people demanding bananas all year long.
@ElectroSapper You come with the 'it's not our job to interfere' argument. That is an ethical argument. And that we're not wild animals, that's also ethical. And we interfere because we have this symbiotic relationship. If we would let i.e. cattle grass all day, that would be far better and we wouldn't need as many antibiotics anymore. I would be glad if you'd get real arguments, biological ones that weren't paid for by PETA or Vegetarian Associations.
@ElectroSapper And to turn things around. We manipulated plants in billions to make them edible. Naturally edible plants are roots and a few fruits. The rest is naturally too hard, sour, poisonous, small and so on. Moreover, plants do have some kind of nervous system and to say they don't feel pain would be denying facts. They don't do it the way we do, but animals do neither. Try respecting food in general and not just because it has eyes.
@ElectroSapper Those things are vital for hunting and inventing, not to sit down and eat plants. The human has no large jaw, but we don't need it because we have those thumbs. We have a colone the length between a typical carnivore and a typical herbivore, our saliva is also pre-digesting meat. We don't have claws and everything because we have mentioned thumbs and a big brain. They spare us the effort of a tiring, long hunt or the effort to search for roots. And we have sharp and flat teeth.
@ElectroSapper It can, our stomach acid is pretty much good in digesting meat and we also have a colone. And monkeys are neither carnivorous nor herbivorous. They're - like us - omnivorous. And our teeth evolved back because we don't need supersharp teeth because of our thumbs!
@BiohazardBunney They are from the same branch of Evolution, but they're basically NOT 100% herbivorous. There are videos of Gorillas eating Insects and I believe I heard of some where they ate carcasses. And furthermore you ignore that fact and also the fact that Gorillas may have large teeth because of the kinds of plants they eat, not to mention self-defense measures and fights. You don't have to look up just one bodypart, but every single one. Btw, our Caecum 'devolved', it was for plants.
@ElectroSapper Our body design is to protect the brain and keep it in function because evolution made it far more useful than anything else as we were able to bring the meat to us and bring the grains to us. It made us build houses and made us invent a huge culture with complicated systems based on language(s) and made us able to interact in gigantic social structures. We're also not built to flee but to use our body structure to fight back and survive against strong enemies.
@Mupyeong Lol, we're not rhinos. We're humans, each of us are different from each other.
Great things you stated there, though they aren't related to our discussion. We did eat meat back then. Great, we were less knowledgeable and less fortunate. Now we have everything at our disposal, and we don't need to enslave and slaughter innocent animals.
In the End its all Killing , its like, if you were a chicken , i put you in a cage and give you food in a moral way and in the end i kill you , whats the point of morality there ?
Veganism is to stop killing and consuming animals, animal products,and eating plant based diet thats what it is about . So stop hating vegan activists
If You were given a head of lettuce and a roasted chicken and told that people were exploited at slave wages in horrible working conditions in order to farm that lettuce, but that the chicken lived on a very moral farm where it ran happily in a large coup, worry free, living longer than it would have in the wild, only to be killed almost instantly and painlessly one day for it's biological resources. Which one would you buy and consume JS? It's not the type of food that is the problem, but...
@MacabreManifesto ...the system itself! I could never choose boycott anything in this system because I will always be buying blood diamonds, blood green beens, blood sugar, etc. The cheapest forms of any product very likely have horrible exploitation of someone or some non human animal somewhere. I think it is easier to change the system than make sure all of my products are not bloodied by corporate market exploitation because that is too difficult and expensive to do.
What a bunch ignorants, If world´s diet would become vegan WORLD HUNGER WOULD CEASE.. that´s right, we are killing our own species... read a book, at least google it.
Your irrational line of thinking is your extreme ethnocentrism. Furthermore what you call morality is really your emotional establishment by which you choose to live your life. You can not say that it is immoral for people to eat meat, and not for animals to do so, when you can not legitimately say that it is universally wrong for everything to eat meat. and humans are not herbivore so that is not an acceptable answer. Also t is pretentious of you to cast aside available food when others starve
@VEGANGAURD7 You should deeply consider how far outside your realm of understanding you are when you say that it is criminal or craving indulging for a lion to eat meat. By what measure do you consider this criminal? A synthetic one no doubt, definitely not a natural one because a lion can not live on a vegan diet its just not possible.
Capitalism is not a defining part of being libertarian. The essence of capitalism is a belief that an individual may hold the right to exclude others from the use of certain property (e.g., land, chattel).
What is libertarian you ask?
It Explicitly or Implicitly Embraces a Non-Aggression Axiom.
Libertarianism is Committed to Being Amoral. A Belief that only a Violation of the Non-Aggression Axiom Constitutes Injustice. A belief that the Absence of Injustice equals Liberty.
Man, congratulations! I really liked the way you exposed your arguments! No offenses or atacks! No impositions of truths or what so ever, only a perspective of how we should be moving.
I'm glad we're really evolving for an era where freedom is actually possible! No more slavery!
Give up and accept that this guy talks truth people, think whatever ignorant things you want but it's your mankind/earth that soon will go under cause of your stupidity
That was her interpretation of what the doctor told her, I'm sure his version was much more eloquent but that was what she told me he said. There are lots of ex-vegans in the world but most would just call them weak or lazy insted of recognizing that not everybody can live well without animal products. I don't hate vegan-ism I just realize that it isn't right for everybody. Also morality is subjective. Is abortion right or wrong? There's no real answer b/c they're all opinions.
Meat is unhealthy? unnatural? WTF man! Meat was the reason why our ancestors became the homo-sapiens sapiens that we are now. The reason we developed our neocortex (the part that make us think, or make us "humans" if you want), was indeed our ancestors eating meat that other predators had hunt.
I'm on the fence on this, I am totally against torturing animals, and treating them disrespectfully, but meat is nutritious, and to totally exclude it from our food supply would be irrational. Animals ate humans at one point, it's nature.
@DarkBeauty1989 Ok, let me put you in a cage with a lion, you in one corner, and a big bowl of tofu in the other, let's see nature in action.
You can't deny there is a food chain in nature, and we happen to sit on top of it in modern times. Everything gets eaten, if a lion doesn't eat you, the scavengers will, the worms will, bacteria will eat you, and this causes your body to decompose. Everything in the natural world gets eaten, whether we eat it or not. You can't go against nature.
@djilyaz its ok to kill in selfdefense . I dont eat tofu so whats ur point? animals dont have the understanding we do. lol u r just making excuses to eat when u have the understanding to know better. i go against nature so does gay people get over it lol. I care about what other beings feel its not my fault u dont give a s**t about anything but ur self. if u really cared about ur body u would stop eating meat. its not natural 4 humans to KILL and eat flesh ..we have to cook it animals dont.
@DarkBeauty1989 Meat in America is unhealthy, its loaded with hormones, animals are fed toxic diets, unhealthy animal=unhealthy meat. If you want to be healthy in America I think you need to eat non-GMO, organic foods. Avoid wheat and soy and especially corn, which is mostly GMO. Avoid chemicals, flouride and chlorine in the water.
Caucus Mtn people lived to be 150+ on a diet of mostly meat and yogurt.(In an unpolluted environment) Searing, frying meat is unhealthy. Burnt food bad. Peace:-)Love
Retard, humans and animals kill because of survival... animals have fat which gives us what our bodies need.. we dont do it for pleasure its strictly for survival. idiot.
I beg to differ, I have a friend that put herself in the hospital because of her vegan ways. Her doctor said you HAVE to start eating animal products again because if you don't you will DIE. She now has a small chicken coup, three dairy goats and will eat fish on occasion providing that her husband catches it himself. Some still need meat/animal products to survive you can't make a blanket assumption about people just because veganism works for you.
@xazoot I really can't say, I know she talked with her doctor a lot, but I can't attest to how well she actually followed his instructions. I didn’t stalk her eating habits but I do know she took the vitamins he advised. If someone wants to be vegan that's great I don't care it's your life, but it's irresponsible to claim that it doesn't come with risks. Not everyone can do well on a veggie only diet and it's a shame that vegans try to make people who aren't feel bad about their health needs.
@NotOneDayOff sorry to hear about your friend, why was she hospitalized? what was the cause? I doubt she had kwashiorkor. perhaps she wasnt eating enough, the main thing about being vegan is that you are an herbivore. so you eat all the time, like they do, and generally you will be just fine. At least your friend is better now :) but it can generally go both ways, you should never start a new diet/lifestyle and not know the very basics
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5G2010 18 hours ago
1st off, as a black person is it too much to ask not to compare us and our HUMAN rights to animals? Its deeply offensive and shows alot of ignorance, if u said that in front of me things would get messy real quick, so dont say that to black ppl on the street is my advice.
2nd ur point about us seeing the evil because we oppose factory farming is hardly relavent, thats like saying ban the internet cus some sites are forbidden.. Theres evil in the corners of every market, incl the vege racket.
OnlinePokerCowboy 1 week ago
Your mention at 5:33 of one killing animals for "a better-tasting food" is all well and good -- if one agrees with this.
Personally speaking, one's pleasure in eating vegetarian foods is comparable to one's enjoyment of eating animal flesh.
Cholo5730 1 week ago
im a vegetarian and i believe that to move forward in our world we need to understand that pain is pain and death is death no matter who or what it is to. I'm not christian but noah didn't save those animals so they could die. people don't realize the value of animals because to us they are like the modern day slave. Not in that they work but in that they don't matter to our society now as much as they will in the future when we have another "great enlightenment".However you made good points
IamVishal1996 2 weeks ago
I didn't watch the whole video, I stopped at your point 2. I don't eat animals solely for pleasure, I eat them because I believe it is more healthy to do so.
1ronMat 3 weeks ago
Although, I appreciate that you didnt go to the lengths of dressing up like a cow and reading some little faggy emo poem like Onision does in all his stupid videos.
My family hunts, we eat the deer we kill. The meat from the kill over an open fire is one of the most amazing things youll ever taste in your life, excellent soyrce of protein and other vitamins as well. and knowing that you yourself prepared this meal, no hormones etc. needed makes it all the better.
RyanDemaree 3 weeks ago
I am against mass factory bullshit food
but
Im not against having meat as a part of my diet.
I see nothing wrong with killing and eating animals. They are a very good source of protein and essential vitamins and if someone enjoys that as part of their diet, let it be.
I agree, torturing animals and mass slaughter and preservatives and hormones etc. all for the sake of making a few quick bucks with places like mcdonalds and burger king is stupid and should be stood up against.
RyanDemaree 3 weeks ago
I agree with this guy
RobertSultanaTV 3 weeks ago
If you want to do something natrual go shit in the woods.
16BrookeK 1 month ago
"Animals can not survive on their own if we let them out of their manmade cages". What kinds of retarded and blatantly ignorant statement is that. They were around, before stupid humans tampered with their living conditions, and chemical balance.
starfaery 1 month ago
@starfaery Never heard of selective breeding? Farmers bred the animals to be submissive and produce alot of food essentially taking away all thier survivability.
666or999 1 month ago
@666or999 This is not surported by anything I've heard, by science, or TV. It's torture, not selective breedng, and if you've seen "Earthlings" you'll know what I mean.
starfaery 1 month ago
Oh btw Jacob, if you based your diet on "raw vegetables" only, you'd have also allot health problems like a raw "meat eater", turns out our bodies are not prepared to properly digest and suck all the nutrients from raw vegetable matter either. So i guess the whole "raw meat" meat thing is another cute rethoric sleeve trick activists like to pull on our fact-searching lazy selfs.
Nebelung13 1 month ago
Your economic videos are interesting, but this is ad hominem and emotional fallacy galore.
Meat eating = slavery? wtf
killing animals as to do with taste only? speak for yourself and the rest of couch potatoes that get their food all packed up and boxed.
Raw meat is not natural? well we don't have the necessity anymore since we found out cooking eliminated the hazards, but we ate raw meat for millions of years, so wtf is natural in your book? is it objective or subjective?
Nebelung13 1 month ago
soy destroys more of the earth than any meat farm. Period...
Look up monsanto....
damn veagans. Bleeding hearts for animals, but not wise enough to care for man....
And these are supposed to be some of our brightest... We're soo fucked
Alfred645 1 month ago
@Alfred645
its a simple equation, all the acres we need to clear to plant vegetables and soy (above all) cut on territory animals use to hunt/forage and graze, breed and sleep, so vegetarians will kill by "indirect fire".
Nebelung13 1 month ago
@Alfred645 I think you are seeing this all wrong.
I became a vegetarian because I strongly believe a more compassionate, critical outlook for the well being of all conscious life can only make me a more affectionate and virtuous human being.
I try to broaden my concerns for an equal consideration of all life.
The political, social and economic implications for such an outlook, I believe can only have positive concequences for all concerned, because it centralises a concern for all :)
lanceawatt 1 month ago
@lanceawatt there's a fine line between being a vegetarian/vegan and being a vegan activist, or put blind trust in vegan activist groups.
I believe that many vegan activist groups such as PETA and CSPI have hidden agenda, tell people lies for various political goals, and that they do more harm than good.
90Rush 3 weeks ago
@90Rush but on what bases? We know suffering is caused to both humans and animals in equal measure... where is the deceit, and where are the secrets?
What possible hidden agenda could there be for showing something more obvious than light of day?
lanceawatt 3 weeks ago
@lanceawatt Take CSPI for example. They go out of the way to prove that saturated fat is harmful; they have an article about palm oil field destroying endangered species' habitat, which is totally true (they also discussed its harmful effect on humans, which is not true). However, their suggestion in the article: substitute with corn/soy oil is simply not an option. These kinds of oil are indeed detrimental to human health, not to mention corn/soy fields' harmful effect on the environment.
90Rush 3 weeks ago
@lanceawatt continued. I don't have official proof that they are on monsanto's payroll, but judging from what they said for 20 years, it's fair to say that they are at least corrupt.
90Rush 3 weeks ago
@90Rush if what you say is true than that makes Peta incompetent and stupid, lol.
Enough of what I have seen is true though... it's convinced me that some practices aren't something I can agree with. Even if Peta's corrupt man their are many different sources people can find out about stuff. I make up my mind from that and decide - these things I like, these things I don't like :)
I'm not like an activist either, people need to know whats right for them!
lanceawatt 3 weeks ago
are you serious when you say u care more about humanity than animals? humans are the once causing the plight to this sentient beings and others and you want to talk about how humanity measures higher than animals
pebbles92able 1 month ago
Yes, its true that we dont need to eat meat anymore but why would we sacrifice the joy of eating a decent meal and to replace it with hippie crap like tofu and soy. It will have a negative effect on men because its only going to increase estrogen levels and make them very fragile and probably gay. The vegan women ive seen look so lifeless. Like walking sacks of bones. I would say to just give up. The slaughtering of animals will never stop. Just eat some meat and joy the bit of life you have.
mx503 1 month ago
" We dont need animals to survive, we do it for pleasure". This argument can be easily refuted. Such arguments stem from the ridiculous idea that we should only do things that is important to our survival. Do you make youtube videos to survive? Do you read books play sports to survive? You do it for pleasure. And when you turn on your computer for your pleasure you contribute to global warming too, and its not important to your survival, throw away your pc and go live in a jungle.
thefallennikaya 1 month ago 2
Oh look another Self Rightous asshole. Look at him, he is Starving away. I am healthier, smarter and stronger and I eat meat.
TheManOfVeal 1 month ago
@TheManOfVeal Yeah good luck with that, atleast non meat eaters don't need to go on a massive diet before they want to build some muscle mass. The only thing that you can do better than a vegetarian is being able to die from heart disease or high cholesterol.
IIproductionsII 1 month ago
You're saying we don't need to survive on animal meat "anymore". That sounds like an opinion and who the hell are you to say "what we don't need". Humans eat meat to survive, they are meat eaters always have been and always will be, this is as true today as it was millions of years ago. Food is "survival" DUH!! Are you going to tell a lion not to eat other animals because they don't have to with all that green in the forest ? Vegans sure sound retarded.
espirates2 1 month ago
humans can eat lot's of raw meat like salted meat
Osmodaful 1 month ago
I want to say we don't eat animals for pleasure; I don't find eating animals pleasurable; I didn't when I was small, and that was innate as I knew no other vegetarians. However, I have heard something about brain chemistry and animal products.
many people are motivated by societal norms/capitalist greed/marketing.
the difference between how we kill them vs other animals is COMMERCIALISM. Disconnection. antibiotics. artificial insemination. etc
you're cute. and articulate. let's have babies :)
paintmyturquoise 2 months ago
The problem with the "we have a choice" argument is WHY we have a choice between meat and plant-based diets, We have a choice because of decades or more of natural habitat destruction/disruption by the processes of commercial agriculture. A single hunter taking only what s/he needs has far less impact on the environment and natural habitats than the companies putting vegan alternatives on your grocery store shelves. Discuss?
JayFromEarth 2 months ago
I am not willing to kill any animal because I care about humans first and I'm willing to sacrifice that because I know I'm not supporting a system that does not aid in helping the human race out. By eating sustainably you are not taking resources away from someone else around the world starving. get it.
hillseeker09 3 months ago
oh man you are so removed from your true self. You are brainwashed by the system. Watch documentaries and actually get a grasp of the environmental repercussions of producing animal products to the production to plant products. Look at the resources used to do both. Nobody would be starving anywhere if we were living food sustainably..aka local and organic and natural.
hillseeker09 3 months ago
What a liberal faggot.
brayangaleas1990 4 months ago
I'm not a vegetarian, but I applaud this video Jacob. Best argument I've seen for vegetarianism based on a nonhealth reason. Once again, I'm also a big fan because of your socialist vs. capitalist videos!
MandragGanon 4 months ago
We do have to kill things to survive. Eating the animals for population control is the most effective & reasonable answer. If we completely deny the animals access to said resources then far more have to die then if we supplement the plants with meat. Banning horse slaughter caused this. Though it is true that vegan individuals are not always anti-capitalist the organizations to support it usually are & deny that humans are more important than animals being against things like insulin from cows.
BillyJoe1305 4 months ago
@terrillcase1 I know this for a fact. No meat-head with a below average IQ will offer any convincing arguments to the contrary. Go ahead and try: ___________________________________
1imesub 4 months ago
@terrillcase1 Yes it is.
1imesub 4 months ago
@terrillcase1 Not true. A whole foods plant based diet is the healthiest way to eat.
1imesub 4 months ago
It is totally wrong to abuse an animal during its life, but there is nothing wrong with eating an animal for food. I love animals, and I would never hurt an animal for my own pleasure.
LxE100 5 months ago
@LxE100 If you actually believe the animals you eat were treated "nicely," you are horribly mistaken. If you really care about animals, don't support the industries that abuse and slaughter them for profit. In other words, GO VEGETARIAN!
1imesub 4 months ago
@1imesub My parents don't believe in unnatural nutrients. I know animals are treated terribly, but there's really nothing I can do about it. It's a very controversial subject in my house.
LxE100 4 months ago
@LxE100 You can make your own decisions. I doubt your parents would force you to eat dead animals if you didn't want to.
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330MillionGods 5 months ago
Most humans kill animals for money (greed). It is indeed a moral sin.
There are plenty of health reasons to become vegan. If done properly, a vegan diet is the healthiest diet you can possibly eat.
1imesub 5 months ago
Damn... there is no way to read my "I dont care much about the animals" and just be cool with it! hehe
First I have to admit I may be morally wrong. But think with me. We feel pity for the animals because we can empathize with them. If we go with that logic we have to admit that our morality is limited to what we can empathize with.
We DO other morally wrong things for pleasure. The question is what are our "moral priorities"? Is this one worth all the engagement?
waltergirao 5 months ago
I agree with your arguments. There are no big flaws anywhere
But I still eat meat and you are right... It IS for pleasure
Than again i just really don´t care that much about the animals. I know that sounds HORRIBLE! just being sincere, people..
I think the vegan cause is still not worth fighting YET. Humanity still has much to improve before this become relevant
As for the medical facts, (I'm a med student) I can guarantee you it is still not prudent to be either pro or anti vegan
waltergirao 5 months ago
"We eat meat for pleasure." True, we don't need to eat meat to survive. But why not? I hate vegetables, I like meat. I have no reason to change, unless I stop "being evil." ;)
"Morality will evolve, and evolve and we will say wow we were barbaric." Evolution doesn't neccesserily bring benefites, it can change the direction. Especialy Moral evolution. Morality of today is based on compassion/pity/egalitarianism. If they start to weaken humanity, then we'll most likely lose them.
IWantToUnderstandIt 6 months ago
@IWantToUnderstandIt And theres a huge reason why disease has shot up 50% it the last 20 years, eating nothing but meat, poptarts and pepsi. Saying you hate vegetables is like saying you hate living a long life. Your just a product of society, eating everything the TV tells you then a few years down the road your going to be taking all the drugs that the TV tells you. Have fun living till 45 if your lucky
coopmuch56 6 months ago
@coopmuch56 "Saying you hate vegetables is like saying you hate living a long life." You're correct, I hate long life. I like meat. Meat from my grandfather's farm contains no pesticides. Tomato does.
"eating everything the TV tells you" You don't even know if I own a TV, please don't make stupid claims.
"product of society" The fact that you wrote your comment in english means you are a product of society as well.
Now either stop trolling or write something that makes sense.
IWantToUnderstandIt 6 months ago
this guy seems quite intelligent and reasonable, but what he's forgetting is that loads of animals die in agricultural practices that produce veg...
g2thaz 6 months ago
Adolph Hitler was a vegetarian that also shared your opinion about overpopulation. Thats why he murdered 6 million Jews. They were the problem, but animals were not to be harmed. Animal meat....original sin. Sex...original sin. These are things that arent going away until the end of days.
CMink7777 6 months ago
@CMink7777 actually he wasnt a vegetarian. He ate sausage. Einstein however, was a vegetarian, as well as Ghandi, and Weird Al Yankovich. Vegetarians are not 'good people', they are just people. any vegetarian claiming to be perfect or good is full of crap. We are all individuals, we all have our own path. Some are good, some are bad, some are whatever. You are just making excuses for urself dude.
BiohazardBunney 6 months ago
It's best to ignore people who disagree with you on the internet. People are entitled to their opinions, on both sides. But the thing is, most people who fight vegans, in my experience, have been people that are just looking for excuses for themselves, so they come up with weird reasons not to give up eating animal products. Like they will grow a vagina or something 0_o lol I am an animal activist, but as a vegan I reserve myself for those who are willing to listen.
BiohazardBunney 6 months ago
OK jacob do you honestly believe ploughing the world to feed vegans and mass culling of animals (as economic enemies of human agricultural production) and even more human overpopulation is a good idea? Vegans do not buy estates and allow the ecosystem to be untouched to sustain wildlife. Hunters do. I assume you also think its a good idea for Vets not to exist - they test extensively on animals
cattyerde 7 months ago
More and More Moral? This country is going down the tubes as far as morality goes. No offense but between all of the moral dillemas we have right now....crime, murder, adultery, etc....I think killing animals is the least of our concerns. Animal meat is considerd "original sin." Take the deer population for example-look how many die every year. If they werent hunted the populations would be more out of control. Thats fact not pleasure but you would argue the deer as more right to be here than us
CMink7777 7 months ago
@CMink7777 deer culling isnt about rights - it is about making the environment bearable for the deer - if you let them keep breeding and breeding they run out of resources really quite regularly and suffer - unless you are suggesting clearing entire countries for deer of course?
cattyerde 7 months ago
@CMink7777 no one would say that. It's not about one animals over the other, it's about not disrupting natural lives. deer dont overpopulate, people do, and people dont hunt because they want to help the environment, they do it because its fun. But still, its silly to say anyone would argue deer have more right to be here than we do, thats not what animal activism is about, it's about not imposing our wills on the rest of the planet, causing pain, when it is not necessary, for selfish gain.
BiohazardBunney 6 months ago
@BiohazardBunney All animals hunt each other. All living beings disrupt each others habitats and lifestyles on a daily basis. How many bugs are killed when you drive your car every day? How many rabbits, squirrels, etc. Based off the philosophy you just described, in order to follow it to the letter of the law, we would have to start ridin bicycles or walking instead of driving. Deer over-pop is a fact that can be researched. Evidence is strong in roadkills alsone. Why let them go to waste?
CMink7777 6 months ago
@CMink7777 true, but to be honest with you my beef is not with hunting, its with factory farming, which is very different. It causes the largest form of environmental disaster on a global scale, and impacts the planet drastically in a very unnecessary way. BUT that's not really what we are talking about, I just think ecological reasons for hunting is bullshit. People hunt because its fun. Its a bloodsport. They like to kill. Doesnt make them evil, its just, dont lie about why you do it :P
BiohazardBunney 6 months ago
I agree with most of the things you are saying. You are obviously intelligent and reasonable. You make some solid points. But man, you seem extremely arrogant. I think this is the problem with most vegan activists. Sort of like Bill Hicks said about 'self righteous non-smokers'...' I would quit smoking...but I'm afraid of turning into one of you!'.
whybenorman 7 months ago 4
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synapflux 7 months ago
@whybenorman I'm not a vegetarian but if I was to substitute self-righteous non-smokers in this equation, it would be the obnoxious anti-vegetarians. There are far too many meat eaters bitching about vegetarians' opinions just because they don't want to feel guilty next time they sit down for a steak.
acphenom 6 months ago
@whybenorman He is indeed smart, as most people that take on this lifestyle do much research and become more educated. Unfortunately they do strike "some" as arrogant because they do take a higher moral ground, although they don't claim moral superiority-it is an ethical and moral cause. It does bother people that don't understand the praxis of Veganism, and a human defense mechanism triggers in those not yet enlighten, hence an inferiority complex develops, as you experience here for yourself.
truth2748 6 months ago
@truth2748 My friend, the thing is that most Vegan activists DO claim moral superiority and even when they don't actually say : ' We are superior' ( which many do), they act 'above' others. When you actually ARE 'above', you don't feel the need to advertize the fact- modesty is a characteristic of the enlightened-. So, as what you say about inferiority complexes may be true in many cases, there surely is a comparable amount of Vegans with a superiority complex. Personally, I DO like the idea of
whybenorman 6 months ago
@whybenorman ..not having to kill animals for nutrition, but I am not convinced that it is completely healthy, or 'natural'. My natural urge and instinct to eat meat, and my logic, do not allow me to refrain from doing so. If, however at some point I changed my mind, I like to believe that I would not look down on other peoples opinions, instincts and logic, and especially not 'stomp' on them with self-righteous judgement like so many Vegan do.
whybenorman 6 months ago
@whybenorman I know many Vegans, and I've yet to hear one say, "I'm superior". That would make him/her, well, just and asshole. But, it may come to you as a self righteous virtue, when some one tells you that what you, and pretty much everyone else is doing(eating them) is morally wrong. Regarding the health issue, the information is coming along, very slowly, but its coming. It is hard to swallow new information, after everyone has been telling you for years, that the opposite is true.
truth2748 6 months ago
@truth2748 It is not only completely healthy, "APA, ADA, CDA, WHO, CDC, UN, ACA, ADAA", etc., etc, etc. But also natural, since human physiology is that of frugivorous ape. You, we, do not have a natural instinct to eat meat, only carnivorous apex predators do. You don't see a gazelle, and run, and jump on his back and sink your teeth into him, do you?. No, you go to the market and choose your meat from the meat counter. This is in no way instinctual, nor part of the human condition, ever.
truth2748 6 months ago
@truth2748 Humans do not operate on instinct anymore. We did eat meat as far as 2 million years ago though, when we did operate on instinct. Also humans are unique creatures and not all predetors have the same adaptations for hunting. Humans have thier own unique set. Also not all carnivores hunt. Remeber there are also scavengers, and what are modern humans but scavengers. Agriculture could be considered another way of gaining meat, right up there with hunting and scavenging.
africandude1 6 months ago
@africandude1 I'm a 27 year veteran of medicine that frequents YT to try and eradicate common myths, about natural human diet and proper nutrition, current human condition, and animal rights. When you're ready to go beyond the typical simplistic analyses presented in the average college text book, I can provide first hand medical reports(I will simplify) which will explain what we in the professional medical community now know about human evolution, and our physiological standing.
truth2748 6 months ago
@africandude1 All available scientific evidence(including my first hand accounts during 14 years of vivisection) indicates that humans are frugivorous apes. Regardless of how large and arrogant our cultural egos are, and regardless of unsupportable religious dogma created by ignorant people who knew absolutely nothing of biochemistry, comparative anatomy, genetics, or science thousands of years ago, our physiology is that of a frugivorous ape. This is common knowledge among our circle.
truth2748 6 months ago
@africandude1 And finally, as a devoted open minded anthropologist, the notion of man the hunter is a romantic myth-big-game hunting added little to our food intake until after we had evolved fully modern anatomy and behavior. Now without entering into a complex realm that you may not be able to digest ...
truth2748 6 months ago
@africandude1 Let me simplify this for you. If the human "is" a natural omnivore, then we should have ALL the physical and biochemical equipment that is NECESSARY to run down, kill with our bare hands, tear asunder, eat, and properly digest, RAW animal prey, just as ALL natural omnivores, or carnivores, do. I'm afraid the technical information asserting the aforementioned is, well, overwhelming.
truth2748 6 months ago
@truth2748 I know that. I thought you were on of those people who were saying we aren't.
africandude1 6 months ago
@truth2748 you don't have to say it outright to be acting as if you are superior. You are doing it right now when you claim to be on higher moral ground because you don't eat meat. Honestly I have nothing aginst vegans though, only the ones who say we are not natural omnivores/eating meat is unnatural. People do have instinct to eat meat by the way , how do you suppose hunting came to be. We have eaten meat and hunted as long as we existed.
africandude1 6 months ago
@africandude1 I'm not Vegan nor have I ever claimed to be on higher moral ground, and this perception on your part does however display an inferiority complex. You see, when someone does make the moral choice, others either join in, deny the choice at hand, or by human natural design, attack the virtue. This in common human behavior. We have also raped and pillage, but its time to evolve, or not- the australopithecus was indeed a scavenger, one of fruit, one of our oldest relatives.
truth2748 6 months ago
@truth2748 Scavenger of meat. Fossil records indicate humans ate meat as far as two million years ago. In my opinion veganasim is okay but not "natural". There are nutrients that vegans can't get from plants, and must take supplements in order to gain.
africandude1 6 months ago
@whybenorman And finally, when someone has found enlightment, they want to share it, wouldn't you?.Veganism is practically new in developed countries, specially western countries. The movement is strong and growing rapidly. So expect some enthusiastic and probably sarcastic young kid that is filled with excitement, and has yet to explain himself what he feels to the World.
truth2748 6 months ago
@truth2748 Very true. Again, you make some very valid and logical points. So many vegans are intelligent, sensitive and caring people as you seem to be. This is one of the reasons that I concern myself with the issue. Concerning my cats - all 7 of them if you count my girlfriend's ones :) - , I understand your point completely. This is another reason which I concern myself with the issue. However, my sweet cuddly and loving cats can also be vicious predators, and many times they bring me...
whybenorman 6 months ago
@truth2748 slaughtered birds and mice while purring and basking in their own self-satisfaction. It is in their nature. I'm not saying that I like it, because I don't, but nature is vicious. I would very much like human kind to evolve to the point where it won't need, or want to eat meat. I just don't think we are there yet. As for the enlightenment part, I believe Buddhists feel enlightened also, but are not ' in your face' about it. The 'self-righteous' demeanor of many vegans hurts the cause!
whybenorman 6 months ago
@whybenorman Some say that a lion does not ponder the morality of killing a baby antelope, and neither should we, but this is exactly why we claim to be above other earthlings, because we have the moral ability to choose not to kill. To kill is immoral by all standards of society. To kill a being we consider below us(which they are not) is even worst. Just because we can doesn't make it just.
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truth2748 5 months ago
@whybenorman Continue. It is not our intelligence which makes us stand higher, it is consciousness. We are aware of ourselves and of our interactions with our environment. This implies responsibility, this creates ethical and moral values. It is immoral to let other creatures suffer just to have the pleasure to eat meat.
truth2748 5 months ago
@truth2748 I understand and at some level share your observation and point. The thing is, that we are still animals. We still are driven by instinct. If this is a bad thing or not is a whole other discussion, which also leads to consecutive discussions concerning, the meaning of life, 'why are we here?', 'what is our goal as a species?'etc etc. Let me give an example and question: Sex is a very satisfying and enjoyable way of procreating. However, it is also unhygienic and can let to ...
whybenorman 5 months ago
@whybenorman We are animals indeed. But our level of awareness is what distinguishes our species from non-human animals. This awareness has permitted us to create a social structure with morality as the leading tenet of most cultures. Unfortunately our species, unlike others, was a natural mistake. A quick devastating vermin that continues to claim this precious planet. I'm not too concern with our goals per say, but what we can do to prevent our species from creating further damage.
truth2748 5 months ago
@truth2748 ...life threatening diseases. Someone could make the point that having sex puts ourselves and others in danger, so why should we continue doing so if there are alternatives to procreating, just for pleasure. Is it wrong, or ''immoral'' to continue to have sex with eachother when we can procreate safely through medical procedures that do not require human contact and body fluid exchange? We could, but should we? Should all decisions we make be based on hard logic?
whybenorman 5 months ago
@truth2748 What I am trying to say is that the human experience is comprised of several levels of consciousness. And consciously we make many decisions everyday that could be perceived as illogical, or even just plain dumb. However we are driven by so many factors. Should we abandon them all in favor of the most logical, effective and efficient ones? Maybe one day we will, and maybe we will be happy to do so. But it is my opinion that this sort of change requires a whole lot of evolving first.
whybenorman 5 months ago
@whybenorman To kill is wrong now and always and in any culture, you can't get simpler logic than that.
truth2748 5 months ago
@truth2748 I speak in terms of ''logic'' and ''intelligence'' because I take for granted that all -or at least the vast majority- people do not like the idea of animals suffering for their pleasure. We share this basic morality, but after that, everyone's morals 'divert into very different paths. For me logic is a far better argument for not eating meat than morality, which is so varied, and vague at many times, depending on the person and his/her culture.
whybenorman 5 months ago
@whybenorman One more thing, since you brought up logic. I see that you have/like/keep an animal companion cat. This sentient being shares the same five senses that the meat bearing animal, let's say a pig, has. Actually, in terms of cognitive abilities, your cat does not even come close to a pig. Yet you choose to eat one, and keep the other at your side. What is the logic in that?. Next time you look into your cat's eyes, ask yourself this question.
truth2748 6 months ago
@whybenorman He didn't come across that way to me, but it takes quite a bit to stir me up usually. I'm a male nurse so I'm used to overlooking the female backbiting and gossip of that environment.
MandragGanon 4 months ago
@MandragGanon You are a strong man :)
whybenorman 4 months ago
meat grows your brains so you know how to grow your shitty vegan food.
bigdsweet 7 months ago
@bigdsweet For your information, smartass, Albert Einstein was vegan. Hug a tree once in a while and you might be able to find that shift key on your keyboard.
supernatural119 7 months ago
WE ARE OMNIVORES. NOT CARNIVORES, NOT HERBIVORES. Some of us eat meat and veggies, some of us just prefer Veggies. WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT THIS SHIT?! I mean come on, grow the fuck up and smell the coffee! We kill animals because we want their flesh, it tastes fucking good to some people. So what if you don't want meat, ok, that's fine. Just fuck off and leave me to my fucking burger and salad.
NoManLP 7 months ago
@NoManLP It's not just health ideas, it's also that some people don't like the way the animals are treated before being made into food.
supernatural119 7 months ago
@supernatural119 How should they be treated before killed? Loved and taken care of before a steel rod is shot through their head or lopped off? Seriously, I do not think there is any other method that is simplistic and clean without gore. Less there be some chemical induced death. But then there is the chance of contamination. Slaughter,is safer then other.
NoManLP 7 months ago
@NoManLP There is actually a machine that takes the animals' head and twists it around 360 degrees, then 360 degrees the other direction, and back again. Don't you think one time is enough?
supernatural119 7 months ago
@supernatural119 I'm pretty sure after the first 360 it's not gonna feel it the second time or a third. If you don't like it, don't look! Walk away. These animals are food, they aren't our friends. If you don't like seeing them killed because you love animals. Don't watch them being killed! Leave things be. I'm simply tired of people whining and complaining about animals who don't fucking matter in their daily lives.Why can't people stop arguing and move on?
NoManLP 7 months ago
@NoManLP That is exactly what they said about the Jews in Germany during the Holocaust.
supernatural119 7 months ago
@supernatural119 So your comparing a mindless animal to a human being?
NoManLP 7 months ago
@NoManLP Animals are not mindless. A good percentage of them are smarter than the average 3 year old human child. They can work tools and feel pain, both physical and emotion. My definition of mindless is an inanimate object who has no smarts whatsoever or the ability to feel. Go back to elementary school.
supernatural119 7 months ago
I am still waiting for the foundation of your morals so I can evaluate your arguments. You claim to use reasoning but you do not actually give it. Remember, as an atheist you have to explain from the ground up. You normally do an excellent job of explaining yourself when you speak about capitalism, but then again you usually are unintentionally inline with the same religious beliefs you do not subscribe to.
KamisamanoOtaku 7 months ago
As someone who isn't a vegan (I assume you aren't vegan from your other videos) you did a fantastic job at combating his arguments. While I disagree with your point No. 9 (that humans are more valuable just because we are "more" sentient than non-human animals) you were spot on with almost everything.
WorkingClassVegan 7 months ago
i don't have a problem if you are vegan i just have a problem if you are a holier then thou white knight vegan
TheNewDaySucks 7 months ago
I am Pastafarian, I beleive in the harmony between Meat, and Vegey I am Omnivorous.
arbiter4353 7 months ago
hey everyone read "the world peace diet" by Will Tuttle. JacobSpinney is right, we don't need it... someday this will be obvious.
thatbitchonskates 7 months ago
woo woo get that zietgeist moving! yes in the future we will look back with shame on our murderous and violent ways. Humans operate largely on social pressure. All of society is in denial on this topic. Massive institutional, educational and legal denial. The moral hypocrisy is making us stupid and crazy because that's the only way the contradictions can exist.
thatbitchonskates 7 months ago
Pleasure argument is lame. We do need to eat and thankfully we either evolved or were created (depending on your religious beliefs) with taste buds to make our food (plant and animal) taste good. D'oh.
The Vegan is no more morally or ethically right or wrong than any other religious group. You have your right to the religious doctrine "ahimsa" but that doesn't mean everyone has to convert to your religion (Veganism) to be moral or ethical.
rosepetal108 8 months ago
Animals kill for pleasure. Wolves killed 15 sheep, didn't eat them, just for fun. Bear killed two goats at once, ate intestines of one goat, left the other alone. Dolphins kill for fun. We are omnivorous and several nutrients are far more common in meat than plants. We can digest meat and especially raw meat far better than plants. We are designed to hunt, kill and invent things. We don't have claws because we have a large brain and our body is made to keep it going.
Mupyeong 8 months ago
@Mupyeong "We can digest meat and especially raw meat far better than plants"
This statement is completely wrong. Our digestive system is built for digesting plants, not meat.
We aren't hunters. We don't have claws, we don't have a large jaw with large pointy teeth, our stomach acid is far too weak to digest meat, our stomach is way too long to digest meat.
Also, our saliva is perfect for pre-digesting grains. We're very much alike natural herbivores.
ElectroSapper 8 months ago
@ElectroSapper We are not complete hunters, did not say so. We are omnivorous. (hunt, kill and INVENT) And wow, pre-digesting grains. Humans don't digest major parts of plants and if you'd take a look at the Enzymes. Humans have far more to digest meat. And we have two other things that are 100% not characteristic for plant eaters - large brain, eyes at the front, thumbs. The insides of our eyes are designed to make us able to hunt far more effective and we have a complicated language.
Mupyeong 8 months ago
@Mupyeong We're excellent at digesting plants. Not plants with a hard waxy protection, like grass or leaves, but the regular ones we can eat. What do we have to digest meat? ...nothing really.
Look at us now. Forget all the hunting and surviving business. We aren't wild. We don't need meat.
ElectroSapper 8 months ago
@ElectroSapper You're turning the arguments around. I said that our body is made to eat meat and plants and needs meat and plants. I did not say we particularly need to hunt, but we need to survive and that's where your non-argumentation fails. I give you reasons and you argument on something that doesn't even serve your cause but just says 'poor animals'. We - as animals - have to obey the rules of biology and nature and thus have to eat animal products once in a while. Killing is part of the..
Mupyeong 8 months ago
@Mupyeong We don't need animals to survive. We can survive perfectly with plants.
Plants are easier to manage, healthier, clean, occupy less space and are cruelty-free.
We're not wild animals anymore, our need to eat meat has sufficed.
ElectroSapper 8 months ago
@ElectroSapper ..symbiosis we have with some animals. They survive on the food and care we give them and take things from them in return, otherwise some of them would be extinct. Just because we don't live in the wild anymore does not mean we can ignore facts. You run around the things I said about human bodies and just come with that ethical stuff. If animals were in our place, they'd do exactly the same as we two do now. Argue which diet is right. And to be on our level, you have to eat meat.
Mupyeong 8 months ago
@Mupyeong Sure, we give them food, they give us food. That's a huge waste, because the amount of food and water you're giving is larger than the amount of "food" received in the slaughter. We're actually causing the extinction of the cattle's natural predators. We're controlling it all, even when it's clearly not our job to interfere in this natural process. I'm not only coming up with ethical stuff, look at the things I've said.
We don't need meat, it's only damaging our world and our people.
ElectroSapper 8 months ago
@ElectroSapper No we don't, the cattle didn't really have gigantic predators because they were far to big to be an easy prey - and too agressive. Ever heard of Black Angus? It's far easier for the definitely not extinct wolves to hunt down deer. And the amount of food cattle eats is basically not as much if we 1) wouldn't eat tons of meat 2) would let it grass. The damage is done by the food industry and people demanding bananas all year long.
Mupyeong 8 months ago
@ElectroSapper You come with the 'it's not our job to interfere' argument. That is an ethical argument. And that we're not wild animals, that's also ethical. And we interfere because we have this symbiotic relationship. If we would let i.e. cattle grass all day, that would be far better and we wouldn't need as many antibiotics anymore. I would be glad if you'd get real arguments, biological ones that weren't paid for by PETA or Vegetarian Associations.
Mupyeong 8 months ago
@ElectroSapper And to turn things around. We manipulated plants in billions to make them edible. Naturally edible plants are roots and a few fruits. The rest is naturally too hard, sour, poisonous, small and so on. Moreover, plants do have some kind of nervous system and to say they don't feel pain would be denying facts. They don't do it the way we do, but animals do neither. Try respecting food in general and not just because it has eyes.
Mupyeong 8 months ago
@ElectroSapper Those things are vital for hunting and inventing, not to sit down and eat plants. The human has no large jaw, but we don't need it because we have those thumbs. We have a colone the length between a typical carnivore and a typical herbivore, our saliva is also pre-digesting meat. We don't have claws and everything because we have mentioned thumbs and a big brain. They spare us the effort of a tiring, long hunt or the effort to search for roots. And we have sharp and flat teeth.
Mupyeong 8 months ago
@Mupyeong Our saliva can't pre-digest meat, and our stomach acid is terrible at it.
Monkeys look pretty much like us, right? They're not carnivorous. Our teeth is barely sharp.
ElectroSapper 8 months ago
@ElectroSapper It can, our stomach acid is pretty much good in digesting meat and we also have a colone. And monkeys are neither carnivorous nor herbivorous. They're - like us - omnivorous. And our teeth evolved back because we don't need supersharp teeth because of our thumbs!
Mupyeong 8 months ago
@Mupyeong gorillas are herbivores, and they have all the things you just described, as well as larger fangs than us.
BiohazardBunney 6 months ago
@BiohazardBunney They are from the same branch of Evolution, but they're basically NOT 100% herbivorous. There are videos of Gorillas eating Insects and I believe I heard of some where they ate carcasses. And furthermore you ignore that fact and also the fact that Gorillas may have large teeth because of the kinds of plants they eat, not to mention self-defense measures and fights. You don't have to look up just one bodypart, but every single one. Btw, our Caecum 'devolved', it was for plants.
Mupyeong 6 months ago
@ElectroSapper Our body design is to protect the brain and keep it in function because evolution made it far more useful than anything else as we were able to bring the meat to us and bring the grains to us. It made us build houses and made us invent a huge culture with complicated systems based on language(s) and made us able to interact in gigantic social structures. We're also not built to flee but to use our body structure to fight back and survive against strong enemies.
Mupyeong 8 months ago
@Mupyeong Lol, we're not rhinos. We're humans, each of us are different from each other.
Great things you stated there, though they aren't related to our discussion. We did eat meat back then. Great, we were less knowledgeable and less fortunate. Now we have everything at our disposal, and we don't need to enslave and slaughter innocent animals.
ElectroSapper 8 months ago
CRY MOAR FAG HAHAH
ih3artstuff 8 months ago
vegans suck because people piss them off and they get back at the people that piss them off ITS A VICIOUS CIRCLE
HellsSkulkers 8 months ago
In the End its all Killing , its like, if you were a chicken , i put you in a cage and give you food in a moral way and in the end i kill you , whats the point of morality there ?
Veganism is to stop killing and consuming animals, animal products,and eating plant based diet thats what it is about . So stop hating vegan activists
xazoot 9 months ago
our human bodies THRIVE on a vegan diet.
ChrisSpurrier 9 months ago
If You were given a head of lettuce and a roasted chicken and told that people were exploited at slave wages in horrible working conditions in order to farm that lettuce, but that the chicken lived on a very moral farm where it ran happily in a large coup, worry free, living longer than it would have in the wild, only to be killed almost instantly and painlessly one day for it's biological resources. Which one would you buy and consume JS? It's not the type of food that is the problem, but...
MacabreManifesto 9 months ago
@MacabreManifesto ...the system itself! I could never choose boycott anything in this system because I will always be buying blood diamonds, blood green beens, blood sugar, etc. The cheapest forms of any product very likely have horrible exploitation of someone or some non human animal somewhere. I think it is easier to change the system than make sure all of my products are not bloodied by corporate market exploitation because that is too difficult and expensive to do.
MacabreManifesto 9 months ago
What a bunch ignorants, If world´s diet would become vegan WORLD HUNGER WOULD CEASE.. that´s right, we are killing our own species... read a book, at least google it.
dsm02 9 months ago
your a wuss, eat a steak and grow some balls. I am sure a tiger wouldn't give a fuck about your feelings dude.
dylan111291 9 months ago
@ahrramin I like steak but i've never tried it raw, how is it?
dylan111291 9 months ago
Your irrational line of thinking is your extreme ethnocentrism. Furthermore what you call morality is really your emotional establishment by which you choose to live your life. You can not say that it is immoral for people to eat meat, and not for animals to do so, when you can not legitimately say that it is universally wrong for everything to eat meat. and humans are not herbivore so that is not an acceptable answer. Also t is pretentious of you to cast aside available food when others starve
DanielEBurnette 9 months ago
@VEGANGAURD7 You should deeply consider how far outside your realm of understanding you are when you say that it is criminal or craving indulging for a lion to eat meat. By what measure do you consider this criminal? A synthetic one no doubt, definitely not a natural one because a lion can not live on a vegan diet its just not possible.
DanielEBurnette 9 months ago
So its ok for an animal to kill and eat a person for survival but a person cant kill and eat them?
soukupb 10 months ago
If you are for animals having equal rights as human beings....? Then go and fuck a dog or a pig.
TOLTECAAZTECA 10 months ago
Capitalism is not a defining part of being libertarian. The essence of capitalism is a belief that an individual may hold the right to exclude others from the use of certain property (e.g., land, chattel).
What is libertarian you ask?
It Explicitly or Implicitly Embraces a Non-Aggression Axiom.
Libertarianism is Committed to Being Amoral. A Belief that only a Violation of the Non-Aggression Axiom Constitutes Injustice. A belief that the Absence of Injustice equals Liberty.
Magnumscoffeefreek 10 months ago
Man, congratulations! I really liked the way you exposed your arguments! No offenses or atacks! No impositions of truths or what so ever, only a perspective of how we should be moving.
I'm glad we're really evolving for an era where freedom is actually possible! No more slavery!
SophiasHeir 10 months ago
I have to agree with him.
anawagner12 10 months ago
This guy...wow. ignorant, Randian fool.
ignoranttwat 10 months ago
Give up and accept that this guy talks truth people, think whatever ignorant things you want but it's your mankind/earth that soon will go under cause of your stupidity
sebbef 10 months ago
@JackEverton1878
That was her interpretation of what the doctor told her, I'm sure his version was much more eloquent but that was what she told me he said. There are lots of ex-vegans in the world but most would just call them weak or lazy insted of recognizing that not everybody can live well without animal products. I don't hate vegan-ism I just realize that it isn't right for everybody. Also morality is subjective. Is abortion right or wrong? There's no real answer b/c they're all opinions.
NotOneDayOff 10 months ago
Meat is unhealthy? unnatural? WTF man! Meat was the reason why our ancestors became the homo-sapiens sapiens that we are now. The reason we developed our neocortex (the part that make us think, or make us "humans" if you want), was indeed our ancestors eating meat that other predators had hunt.
ownedlol123 10 months ago
i wanna kill you... just saying
sabbath66 11 months ago
I'm on the fence on this, I am totally against torturing animals, and treating them disrespectfully, but meat is nutritious, and to totally exclude it from our food supply would be irrational. Animals ate humans at one point, it's nature.
djilyaz 11 months ago
@djilyaz animals dont have that understanding we do ..STOP MAKING EXCUSES TO MURDER ANIMALS . NOTHING NATURAL ABOUT MURDER. meat is unhealthy.
DarkBeauty1989 11 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Ok, let me put you in a cage with a lion, you in one corner, and a big bowl of tofu in the other, let's see nature in action.
You can't deny there is a food chain in nature, and we happen to sit on top of it in modern times. Everything gets eaten, if a lion doesn't eat you, the scavengers will, the worms will, bacteria will eat you, and this causes your body to decompose. Everything in the natural world gets eaten, whether we eat it or not. You can't go against nature.
djilyaz 11 months ago
@djilyaz its ok to kill in selfdefense . I dont eat tofu so whats ur point? animals dont have the understanding we do. lol u r just making excuses to eat when u have the understanding to know better. i go against nature so does gay people get over it lol. I care about what other beings feel its not my fault u dont give a s**t about anything but ur self. if u really cared about ur body u would stop eating meat. its not natural 4 humans to KILL and eat flesh ..we have to cook it animals dont.
DarkBeauty1989 11 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Meat in America is unhealthy, its loaded with hormones, animals are fed toxic diets, unhealthy animal=unhealthy meat. If you want to be healthy in America I think you need to eat non-GMO, organic foods. Avoid wheat and soy and especially corn, which is mostly GMO. Avoid chemicals, flouride and chlorine in the water.
Caucus Mtn people lived to be 150+ on a diet of mostly meat and yogurt.(In an unpolluted environment) Searing, frying meat is unhealthy. Burnt food bad. Peace:-)Love
djilyaz 11 months ago
Eating meat cooked is unnatural and unhealthy for humans, and even carnivores in the wild who eat raw flesh contract parasites.....so...
101101101777 11 months ago
I picked up a cheese burner after watching this just out of spite.
kurisu925 11 months ago
Retard, humans and animals kill because of survival... animals have fat which gives us what our bodies need.. we dont do it for pleasure its strictly for survival. idiot.
LaRezNar 11 months ago
@LaRezNar oh yeah right then why is it vegetarians live long healthy life without killing animals? my doctor is vegetarian its healthier.
DarkBeauty1989 11 months ago
I beg to differ, I have a friend that put herself in the hospital because of her vegan ways. Her doctor said you HAVE to start eating animal products again because if you don't you will DIE. She now has a small chicken coup, three dairy goats and will eat fish on occasion providing that her husband catches it himself. Some still need meat/animal products to survive you can't make a blanket assumption about people just because veganism works for you.
NotOneDayOff 11 months ago 7
@NotOneDayOff maybe she didnt get all the nutrients when she was a vegan
xazoot 9 months ago
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NotOneDayOff 9 months ago
@xazoot I really can't say, I know she talked with her doctor a lot, but I can't attest to how well she actually followed his instructions. I didn’t stalk her eating habits but I do know she took the vitamins he advised. If someone wants to be vegan that's great I don't care it's your life, but it's irresponsible to claim that it doesn't come with risks. Not everyone can do well on a veggie only diet and it's a shame that vegans try to make people who aren't feel bad about their health needs.
NotOneDayOff 9 months ago
@NotOneDayOff sorry to hear about your friend, why was she hospitalized? what was the cause? I doubt she had kwashiorkor. perhaps she wasnt eating enough, the main thing about being vegan is that you are an herbivore. so you eat all the time, like they do, and generally you will be just fine. At least your friend is better now :) but it can generally go both ways, you should never start a new diet/lifestyle and not know the very basics
BiohazardBunney 6 months ago
@Bioh