Michael Savage - Thoughts of Michael Newdow's court case on the pledge and In God We Trust

[MrSuperneocon]

SAVAGE IS GOD !!!

MEMORIZING THE BIBLE should be mandatory learning in every high-school !!!

But our left-wing education-media-complex is obsessed with teaching our kids about: ipads, iphones and i-idiots !

FUCK THE LEFT-WING and FUCK OBAMA !!!

[sunset261]

Michael Savage is an asshole.

[messanicgentile]

Thomas Paine from "The Age Of Reason" :

"We know nothing of what the ancient Gentile world was before the time of the Jews, whose practice has been to calumniate (to slander) and blacken the character of all other nations, and it is from the Jewish accounts that we have learned to call them heathens. But as far as we know to the contrary, they were a just and moral people, and not addicted, like the Jews, to cruelty and revenge

[Musicofthissphere]

@messanicgentile You're crazy.

[messanicgentile]

@Musicofthissphere Crazy is the new norm my friend .; )

[Pantera4LifeXTX]

Michael Savage is a Fucking idiot. Newdow was standing up for the constitutional ideals of Seperation of church and state and freedom of AND From religion. Calling this man sick and America hating is something to be expected of a typical religious Idiot. Mike Savage has his head up his ass.

[mr2bmr2b]

Savage nails it on the court system. Regardless of one's beliefs in God are, America is founded on Western Judeo-Christian principles. If 80% of America was atheist, it could change the currency and pledge. But its 80% Christian. Newdow's a loser, but most atheists are.

[Pantera4LifeXTX]

@mr2bmr2b 80% of Americans are Delusional 20% are Rational. Creationism is a joke. Losers like you buy it hook line and sinker and you're the majority. Doesn't mean shit if it was 99%-1%. It's Delusional Bullshit and you know it.

[mr2bmr2b]

@Pantera4LifeXTX Ooooooo big boy on the internet are we? By the way, look up the word delusional before using it in a sentence. I couldn't "know it" if I were delusional, because having awareness of one's delusional beliefs means rejecting them.

My point is still political. The country was founded by Christians and Theists. Belief in a Creator is referenced back even to the Declaration of Independence. Americans have every right to be upset when hateful bigots try to destroy tradition.

[Pantera4LifeXTX]

@mr2bmr2b Hateful Bigot? He displays neither one of those qualities. However you definitely do. Some of the (so called) founding fathers were theists but not all. A few were deists that despised the christian religion. Do your homework on the subject and check out a dictionary Mr. Internet Tuff Guy. I bet your so stupid you believe Adolf Hitler was an Atheist as well. Savage is an arrogant dick head.

[htiberian]

@mr2bmr2b Nice try, but it's a Christian nation, not "Judeo-Christian". They don't like Jews secretly. They think Isreal must be destroyed before Christ will return.

[EllyMcCormack]

Michael Newdow is a hero.

[Pantera4LifeXTX]

@EllyMcCormack Goddamn Right!

[WOWJBEOWULF]

Michael Newdow learned to make money on this, his god is mammon.

[Sweence]

Michael Newdow is an American hero. He has effectively raised awareness of the foolish religious traditions rooted in bronze age mythology when people didn't know where the sun went at night. We have a secular government and Newdow serves to remind us of this fact.

[Romansteel13]

@Sweence

"bronze age mythology when people didn't know where the sun went at night.'

Bronze Age? 3,000 BC = Bronze Age.

Do you realize how moronic you are?

Religion, Christianity for that matter was created during the Council of Trent, by the Roman Emperor Constantine, who had to unite his people in Constantinople under one banner, known as Christianity.

[Sweence]

@Romansteel13 The Bronze age was a long period from 3000-600 BC when mythological Old Testament scribes were assembled. And they didn't have a clue where the sun went at night. They didn't know what an atom was or that dinosaurs preceded them by 65 million years. They were clueless and apparently so are you. Please watch "Religious Fanatic debates Atheist" on my channel for clarity.

[Romansteel13]

@Sweence "They didn't know what an atom was or that dinosaurs preceded them by 65 million years" You also didn't know that the Cretaceous (65 million years ago) was not the first era of Dinosaur Supremacy. MORON. The Earth is 4,5 billion years old. Life is relatively new. Idiot. Once again you are a classic weasel. I trapped you in your own fallacious argument, now you are trying to reverse it unto me. Reverse Psychology, doesn't work on me, kid. BC= Before Christ. BCE is the correct usage.

[Sweence]

@Romansteel13 You are seriously deluded. Please seek some help before you hurt yourself.

[Romansteel13]

@Sweence

Calm down, i'm not here to defend religion, i'm merely here to bash your stupidity.

Now you are attacking my mental health, because you are backpedaling like a moron.

I nailed you to a cross, now you have your tail between your legs.

Good day, idiot.

[chodeshadar18]

"In ages past, there was an excess of religious fervor. Today the opposite problem exists."--The Lubavitcher Rebbe

[crazyxtagen]

This guy is retarded. "Centuries of tradition?" In God We Trust was added to the pledge of allegiance during the cold war (1960's) as a way to fight communism.

[twolfb4u]

You know whats funny is these people hate christians and other faiths we dont cram it down others its part of our country if he TRULY were agnostic you would be secure in your beliefs but typical liberal they impose all their beliefs on US

[ohsnap31]

Savage is as phony as a huckster preacher who pushes the gospel on pretend faith. He goes to no church. He prays to no God. He simply knows his audience and keeps his remarks heated and on the side of his shallow conservative audience. He uses religion as a divisive weapon the same as does the Taliban.

[menzeljrc]

WOW, Some of you people really need to research the constitution and other articles put together by our forefathers. Seperation of church and state is not the seperation of religion from government. The reasoning for the seperation of church and state is so our government does not let a religous leader like the POPE take control or become the leader of the country. This country and its laws are based on the christian faith. If you dont like it, then leave.

[ultramerton]

@menzeljrc

We wrote the first amendment to prevent the religious persecution many of the Europeans faced before sailing to "the New World." Our country was founded on rationalism and liberalism, which, in this particular context, means we decided to grant the freedom (via liberalism) from persecution to those who don't agree with unsupported dogma (via rationalism). Perhaps you ought to do some research. I'll give you a starting point: we called it the Age of Enlightenment.

[menzeljrc]

@ultramerton Age of Enlightenment was a Euorpean based movement, with some American involvment yes, and since when did the Enlightenment become the Age of Enlightenment? You are also confusing 18th century Euoropean"liberalsim" with modern day liberalism. It is true most of the founding fathers were diests and very rational and believed in the virtue of man along with Locke and Rousseau, however, the moral legislation found in the constitution is almost entirely based upon religious morals.

[menzeljrc]

@ultramerton Age of Enlightenment was a Euorpean based movement, with some American involvment yes, and since when did the Enlightenment become the Age of Enlightenment?  You are also confusing 18th century Euoropean"liberalsim" with modern day liberalism. It is true most of the founding fathers were diests and very rational and believed in the virtue of man along with Locke and Rousseau, however, the moral legislation found in the constitution is almost entirely based upon religious morals.

[ultramerton]

@menzeljrc

All morals were "religious" in the past because those interpreting what was believed to be our divinely inspired code of conduct were associated with religious institutions. Big whoop. The important aspect of the USA's creation was the reliance upon rational, liberal philosophy (i.e. questioning the authorities and their decreed rules).

And no, I didn't conflate the meaning of _liberalism_; it's funny that you would suggest such when I've only briefly mentioned it. ;)

[cottagecheese54]

There isn't just one atheist in this nation, Michael, but you're not honest enough to admit it because your paranoid listeners might find a more hysterical talk show host and shift ad dollars to him. The "pockmarked" man represents millions who are ready for science, which is answering all the questions that begat religious fairy tales in the first place, to save us from our ignorant, lazy-brained selves. The ninth commandment, Michael, is not just for Jews.

[ManofManyPasswords]

This is the only thing that I disagree with Michael on...

The founding fathers wanted there to be a total separation of church and state and having 'god' on our money, our pledges, etc. is not right.

But hey, at least it's not Islam!

[TopDingoMan]

Ugly??? Look in the mirror Savage. Or just listen to the crap that comes out of your own mouth.

[dmorguns]

Apparently there are people that don't realized the one thing about Christainity is that it wasn't just any God, It wasn't one diety it was Christ that gave his life to atone for our sins. Try to find historical evidence of any diety, entity or Creator, or any other word that you want to use that allowed himself to atone for your sins.

[harryslide]

If we could only clone M Savage and bring both sanity and intelligence back to the mainstream. 'won't happen, of course. We're all going straight to the moral oblivion and cultural decay that Hollywood, academia, and the wretched media are greasing the skids for.

[riksw2]

it's not centuries of tradition. Under God was implemented in 1953. You are wrong MS.

[gulsbyjag]

Me thinks Michael Weiner does protest too much!

[SouthernContrarian]

this is wrong

[JonWRowe]

On pure physical appearance (not that that should mean anything) Michael Savage is uglier than Michael Newdow.

[crg64]

"Under god "wasn't placed their until 1954 brought up by the Knight of Columbus,A catholic group.Signed into law by Eisenhower.Thank you Michael Newdow for trying to restore our pledge to what it was before these religious wackos got a hold of it.

[Russellt0228]

there is an important point in understanding 'nation under god' specifically the christian god. The truth is aethiest countries have been disastorous in the 20th century and france in 18th cent.

this isnt about tradition its about a cultural mindset. its not about shiva or allah, its about understanding the humanity is not above the divine but is planted firmly on earth.

this is not even a debate, seriously just think these things through

[70rm3n70r]

Michael Newdow , is a fucking moron, and all those stupid fucking atheists

[70rm3n70r]

what makes these son of a bitches think that they can just challenge the courts just because they dont believe in God?

this fuck named Michael Newdow is just a stupid fuck, he doesnt realize he could be killed at any time, he's a nobody

[crazyoldhen]

Would you accept "One nation under Shiva" in the pledge? Or "In Allah we trust" on the currency? No? Then stop shoving your god down everyone else's throat. The point of the United States is that everyone's religion is protected by the Constitution. It's not majority rules.

[polhist]

@crazyoldhen

It doesn't say "One nation under the Christian God" in the pledge.

[XxUrSoLoStxX]

@crazyoldhen....So if everyones religion is protected by the constitution then you should have no propblem with this. If you're an atheist then you're part of no religion and make no point with your comment. Does the constitution only exist to serve you? This is a republic with limited democracy so in certain cases such as this the majority rule. I think you should really look up the word hypocrite and then look in thre mirror.

[girzwald3]

America was founded on Christian principles. Every single founding father was some sort of christian.

[blueconsole]

No, you're wrong.

Many of the Founding Fathers were Deists.

[girzwald3]

No, you are wrong. I have documentation, you have spoon fed indoctrination bullshit.

Name a founding father, and I can give you a quote proving that they were either a christian, or believed in the christian God.

[JonWRowe]

Many FFs disbelieved in the Trinity.  If God is Triune in nature then Trinity deniers worship a different God, regardless of whether they call themselves "Christians."

[girzwald3]

*shakes head*

It REALLY pisses me off when someone says that because they don't believe in the trinity (i.e. God, Jesus and the holy ghost are personalities of the same being) that they aren't a christian, it is completely illogical, insulting, and dismissive of someone elses beliefs.

what does the trinity have anything to do with being a CHRISTian? A CHRISTian, believes that Christ was the son of God, and the redeemer of sins and the only path to heaven.

[JonWRowe]

"it is completely illogical, insulting, and dismissive of someone elses beliefs.

"what does the trinity have anything to do with being a CHRISTian?"

It may be. However that's what "the Church" has been doing since it wrote the Council of Nicea.

[JonWRowe]

One other thing:

"that they aren't a christian, it is completely illogical, insulting, and dismissive of someone elses beliefs."

Huge numbers of "orthodox" most evangelicals, but not all say things like "Mormons aren't Christian" even though Mormons call themselves "Christian." As long as the defenders of "historic Christianity" do this (as they've been doing since 325AD) the notion that non-Trinitarians are not Christians will be viable.

[blueconsole]

You can be a Deist and come from any religious background.

The Founding Fathers happened to have lived in a region of the world where Christianity was the norm.

The country wasn't founded on Christian beliefs, it was founded on well thought out reality, humanistic and era based ideas.

[JonWRowe]

I may have a book or a few scholarly articles on this within the next 5-10 years (I'm realistic). Currently, I've been documenting this on my blogs which respected academic read (I'm just a community college prof.).

The idea that all these FFs were "Deist" is partially the fault of orthodox Christian conservatives. Men like Jefferson, J. Adams and Franklin thought of themselves as "Christians" but, accordintly, b/c they rejected, "orthodoxy," they were no better than "Deists."

[JonWRowe]

The question is whether a "Deist" could think of himself as a "Christian" but not be a "Christian."  I think that might be what girzwald3 was thinking of.

[JonWRowe]

The question is whether "some sort of Christians" are "Christians."

[ms9809]

@girzwald3 "every single founding father was some sort of christian" Well thats just not true. Do some research you ignorant fool.

[girzwald3]

@ms9809

I have. I don't subscribe to your revisionist history bullshit. Its you who needs to do some research.

[tonykeywest08]

@ms9809 I guess youre the ignorant fool

[casos92]

@girzwald3 Treaty of Tripoli. In Article 11, it states: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an

[tonykeywest08]

@casos92 Charles Carroll Maryland Catholic

Samuel Huntington Connecticut Congregationalist

Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist

[tonykeywest08]

@tonykeywest08 William Williams Connecticut Congregationalist

Oliver Wolcott Connecticut Congregationalist

Lyman Hall Georgia Congregationalist

[tonykeywest08]

@casos92 you want me to past them all, every signer of the declaration of Ind was in fact christian.

[casos92]

@tonykeywest08 Every signer was Christian!? Thomas Jefferson rejected the superstitions and mysticism of Christianity and even went so far as to edit the gospels, removing the miracles and mysticism of Jesus (see The Jefferson Bible) leaving only what he deemed the correct moral philosophy of Jesus.

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone upon man" - TJ

Lighthouses are more useful than churches

-Benjamin Franklin

[tonykeywest08]

@casos92 youre the pervert and the full and finalof this evil nation never mind all that crap about a christian nation blah blah, what ever good and whoever good leaders this nation once had , is certainly not the case today. this filthy Godless nation is doomed . so shut up and put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye. destruction is imminent

[casos92]

@tonykeywest08

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." — Ben Franklin

This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it-John Adams

During fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been it its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolences in the clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution-James Madison

[tonykeywest08]

@casos92  you quote a bunch of dead guys in hell yikes

[casos92]

@tonykeywest08 I quote a bunch of dead guys in hell!? Franklin, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson did way more for the good of this country and mankind than you will ever do. So, if they are in "hell", then I guess you're next buddy. Oh wait , I forgot, you believe in God and they didn't, I guess you get an automatic pass to heaven like all the other believers while productive nonbelievers helping the world's problems go straight to hell.

[girzwald3]

@casos92

Oh and let me guess. Places where atheism is the norm, its been a paradise and devoid of all those things too. I think the people living in the USSR might disagree. Oh, and the people of china when Mao was in power.

[Canisius19]

@casos92 You had the officially atheist state of the Soviet Union, what wonderful world they created

[Griffinltd]

@Canisius19

You're an idiot aren't you.

[Canisius19]

@Griffinltd No but you are, tell me what part of my statement was inaacurate....

[Griffinltd]

@Canisius19

Soviet Union = Atheist (not entirely accurate but I'll give it to you, Stalin didn't kill in the name of "atheism")

Soviet Union = Evil

Therefore I conclude that atheism = Evil

Iran = Religous

Iran = Evil

Therefore I conclude that religion = Evil

Great logic bro.

[girzwald3]

@casos92

You quote things, but apparently you do not read them, nor understand them. What that article is saying "we are not a declared christian nation" Christianity is not our OFFICIAL religion like the middle east Islam was their official religion.

So, they couldn't be all like, "DIE YOU CHRISTIAN NATION". Cause we AREN'T a christian nation........in the sense of us being officially, and exclusively a christian nation.

[tonykeywest08]

@girzwald3 I said americ awas founded on judeo-christian PRINCIPLES but never mind all that as you say- america has forsaken GOD and God has cursed her, your full and final destruction is coming. GOD HATES AMERICA

[casos92]

@girzwald3 interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

[tonykeywest08]

@girzwald3 youre right but these mockers are nt worth argueing with the very first line of the constitution all men are created equal. . .endowed by their creator.. those are christian principles.

[tonykeywest08]

@girzwald3 The signers of the Declaration of Independence were a profoundly intelligent, religious and ethically-minded group. Four of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were current or former full-time preachers, and many more were the sons of clergymen. Other professions held by signers include lawyers, merchants, doctors and educators. These individuals, too, were for the most part active churchgoers

[LeeL29]

@girzwald3 extremely wrong. do your research on history. quite a few of them were deists.

[girzwald3]

@LeeL29

No. Sorry, you are the one who is extremely wrong. Maybe if you knew more of the founding fathers than washinton, jefferson and franklin, youd know that.

Oh also, what was considered a "deist" back then, is nothing like a "deist" today.

Oh, but i can see you aren't convinced.

.faithofourfathers. net/index. html

Now you go ahead and tell me, after reading all those things they said, that they were "deists"

[LeeL29]

@girzwald3 Umm excuse me, but im not wrong at all. Do you even know what a deist is? Those articles are not even from any reputable sites. It doesn't even have any citations anywhere. I said a few of them were. Which a few of them were, like Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, George Walton, etc. Alot of them were even Masons, not christians. That is not even the arguement when it comes to the constitution though. There isn't even any religious reference to god in the constitution.

[girzwald3]

@LeeL29

And yes you are very wrong. And I know exactly what a diest is today, and what it meant back then. It is clear you do not.

No, but the declaration does. And its just as important document as the constitution.

[LeeL29]

@girzwald3 A deist is not a christian, since the christian belief says that god interacts with out lives. It is certainly clear that i do.

And furthermore, to say that the declaration is just as important of a document is absolutely absurd and shows that you have no understanding of it. The declaration is not a legal united states document, nor does it have any authority of our laws. All if is, it a moral case for why the colonies should dissolve from Great Britian.

[LeeL29]

@girzwald3 The document also makes very scarce references to the christian god at all. all it says are words like "Creator, Divine Providence, and God" These same terms are more related to deism than anything else, since they do not specifically reference an attribute of the christian god. The constitution is the legal binding of the colonies to the union, and the laws they abide by. The declaration of independence is not even the same type of document as the constitution.

[nyyankfan05]

@girzwald3 Hey Moron, not only did Jefferson think Christianity was stupid, he deplored it as complete supersitious nonsense. And by the way, it doesn't matter what 'every' President believes, it matters what is written in the Constitution.

[jimmi161]

@girzwald3 Was owning slaves part of christianity?

[Canisius19]

@jimmi161 No Never.....

[ohsnap31]

@girzwald3

Read the Constitution. Read the first Amendment. Religion was a deep concern for our founding fathers and that was very clear in the document.

[girzwald3]

@ohsnap31

The concern was not allowing another Church of England to spring up. Not to not allow religion into government.

[ohsnap31]

@girzwald3

"The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibits the establishment of a national religion by the Congress or the preference of one religion over another, non-religion over religion, or religion over non-religion."

It is broader than you would like it to be and yet would be all the more so today if the skeptics at that time had the theory of evolution and fossil discoveries that we have today. There really is no excuse for our ignorance, we should know God = superstition.

[cowboycaleb]

@girzwald3

that is very debatable. many people claim that many of the founding fathers were just theists and did not stick with any one religion.

[LogicalFlawDetector]

@girzwald3

And every person in your family is some sort of retard.

[Frugs22]

@girzwald3 which founding fathers were christians?

[Frugs22]

@girzwald3 "The United States is in no manner founded on Christian principles"

-George Washington on the Treaty of Tripoli

[girzwald3]

@Frugs22

Yes that IS a good quote, infact is so good, lets keep reading it further and not cut off Mr Adams mid sentence. Oh,Yes, thats right, you ignoramus. John Adams was president, not Washington. Ya moron. And he didn't "say" that. The treaty did. But I digress

"as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen"

As in, "we aren't a declared christian nation( a theocracy), and therefore in opposition to Islam or an Islamic nation."

[Frugs22]

@girzwald3 I don't know why you need to bring insults into the discussion like "ignoramus" or "moron" into the discussion. I wasn't insulting you.

[Paladin1warrior]

@Frugs22 You can only think like that when you know very little about true history. You do realize every school had a Bibles that they read from and prayer in class. Godlesss progressives took God out of this country but the founding fathers made the nation on God's word.

[HanStanwell]

@Frugs22 "it is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible"

- George Washington

[gamefreak1000000]

@Frugs22 Libs only quote the founding fathers if it agrees with their new world order propaganda. They ignore the rest.

[ManofManyPasswords]

@girzwald3 The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession.

-- Abraham Lincoln

If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814

You are uneducated, and you repeat what your fucking smelly shack of a church tells you.

[girzwald3]

@ManofManyPasswords

Wow. Pathetic quotes. Truly pathetic quotes.

Its you who is uneducated. Maybe you should read more than some retards website on the internet. If you think those quotes make them not christian. I cannot help you. How you manage to type those sentences, astounds me.

Oh I know. You used cut and paste, right? Cheater.

Prepare to be owned.

[girzwald3]

@ManofManyPasswords

"I am a Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ"

-Jefferson.

Lincoln was an "enigma" when it came to his religion. Yet he quoted the bible all the time. Sorry, a person who quotes the bible all the time (and not attacking it) is either a jew, or a christian. And since there was zero evidence he was a jew, that makes him a christian.

You are uneducated, and you repeat what your fucking smelly professors tell you.

[sveinis123]

@girzwald3 Wrooooooooong! Who told you that? may be you should check out things before you make statements.......

[Pantera4LifeXTX]

@girzwald3 Wrong. Stop reading history books by creationists...They lie

[137P0359997]

@girzwald3

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

[messanicgentile]

@137P0359997 Almost all nations have peace or war at the will and pleasure of rulers whom they do not elect, and who are not always wise or virtuous. Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers John Jay

[137P0359997]

@girzwald3

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

[messanicgentile]

@girzwald3 President Harry Truman wrote to Pope Pius XII in 1947 that "This is a Christian nation

[buddhasknowbest]

Officially, "In God We Trust" only became our national motto in 1956 because of America's opposition to "godless Communism." There isn't much heritage for it. In fact, America's real motto is "One from many parts." The Taliban in America (Christian fundamentalists) campaigned heavily for "In God We Trust." Basically, the Christian mob won over the minorities. The motto does respect an establishment of religion and discriminates against other good Americans, like polytheists and atheists.

[GoldsteinsBook]

"The Taliban in America "

*rolls eyes*

[post105]

Very good Michael Savage.....