@efendulov actually a chemist would tell you that the gas that is produced should officially be discribed as: 2H2O2
since oxygen can not excist on it's own you always need O2. HHO is just a name some amateurs gave it. another name is hydroxy. The rest of what you say is pretty much right but litres is a bad way to measure since it changes with pressure and temperature so unless you record those 2 variables as you measure the liters per minute that value is pretty much not comparable to anything.
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how much does 2 litters means in power created burning this gas what power source does it require (what the calculations say) come on ppl are we monkeys?
@cris23dumi there are no calculations, aren't you just totally impressed by the bubbling water? Doesn't it make you want to throw millions of dollars at someone that can put a couple of electrodes in water, hook it up to a batery???? Not me, they are dumber than monkeys.
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@fightscience19, if it was true that hho worked, why doesn't a foreign country (China or Japan) run with it? They aren't 'tied' to 'big oil' as you say.
Bizarre, I challenge anyone who believes Meyer was murdered to have his body exhumed for traces of poison. But for some reason no one has even tried, why?
I invented a breakthrough energy source which violates the law of energy conservation. I have a PROOF that there are electrodynamic phenomena which violate the law of energy conservation (and also experimental evidence of such phenomena). Making a 6 kW generator will cost $1200, value of the energy produced yearly $5400, zero operating costs. I am looking for $300 000 for a prototype and for $3M for patents.
@henrykay01, I haven't seen them for over 25 years during engineering studies (BSEE degree). Send them and proof they destroy the laws of conservation of energy, I don't recall the professors making such wild claims.
@henrykay01 Stop with your damn proofs, they are a waste of time. I speak from personal experience. Go bring your damn proofs to a physicist at your local college, and see what they say
Honestly...just think of HHO as propane. It's that simple. Cars run on propane in everyday traffic. HHO usage is no different. And a home do it yourselfer could educate themselves enough to convert a propane to use high psi HHO as a substitute. If I had the money...I would do it..no lie.
@mahammadabba Your just mad that you didnt think of it first, theres good money in stupid people, look at America, we pay our government and for what?
@adamslurch71, we pay our government for roads, police, firefighters, parks, military etc etc.... I agree that stupid people flock to this hho fraud and people are ripping them off. it doesn't take a genius to put 12v into water and watch it bubble but it does take someone with some intelligence to realize the laws of thermodynamics and apply them to systems. Have a great day.
@lucifernonce It also take an intelligent person to realize those laws may be wrong, just b/c that's what we currently know doesn't change it, think about it, hundreds of years ago everyone knew the earth was flat, and yet it changed, so who's to say the "laws of thermodynamics" are 100% correct? If you only live by them you will never know how to challenge them.
@lucifernonce then explain why our roads are crap, our police are getting fired as well as our firefighters, our parks are being shut down for developments and the military is fighting and killing for a reason that probably only a dead man knows.
@lucifernonce They're not getting ripped off. People rip themselves off by limiting their intelligence. HHO can and does work...just not the way they present it. If people could finally pull their heads out of their asses they'd be better off. All how-to videos on youtube are at most 90% of the info needed to fully digest a subject. Take this HHO. Yes...HHO will not work on a car stand alone onboard generated. Running from pressurized cylinders...now you're talkin'
@lucifernonce Now you know that pressurized cylinders can carry the payload of HHO into the engine at a high enough psi...you ask..."How do you make enough HHO?"...easy. Sort of. Use solar power to provide electrolysis to generate HHO and have an automatic storage unit with a cut off for when the max psi is reached in the cylinder. Might take a day or 2 to fill...but you won't burn through HHO fast enough in a car to make that matter anyways.
HHO scammers seem to forget the first law of thermodynamics. Those ideas sound just as bizarre to an educated man as a concept of a perpetual motion machine.
@levon606 The only real method right now would work %100...but you'd need some solar panels...so as long as you got a permanent storage method with an automatic shut off...you could leave it to fill canisters...and then just rig the car to work off of cylinders...swapping them when empty. Unfortunately...no ones really shown it yet...but it will work. Just has a big start up cost...then again...not much bigger than a year or two of gasoline cost.
@nadeem5476, no but he does claim the bubbling tube is producing *2 liters per minute* of something, but he doesn't say what.
To prove the 2 liters he should have placed a 2 liter bottle full of water upside down in water, then timed the flow, the bubbles displacing the water in real time.
Anyway, 2 liters a minute might produce enough to light a cigarette, but wouldn't run anything as big as a car.
if this is quack science, and I think many come to that conclusion because they don't have clue what they are doing, then why did a police department in Massachusetts convert all of their police vehicles to HHO hybrids and save on gasoline as was reported on their local news channel? Looks pretty legit.
@mahammadabba well who is the stupid now?me?the one that can't afford such a car..?or you that you judge me by the money....good luck surviving...because people like in the upcoming society don't have a place....they D I E alone...hahahahahha
so how do you know this produces 2 liters per minute, do you have any data to back this claim or do you use calibrated vision to see the gas form and meter it that way
Because there are non, i fell for this hoax like other thousands, after two weeks of reaserch and having installed a 3ltr per min hho reactor i have no improvement in mileage or performance.
Im only thkfull because i didnt buy any instruction from fraudulent sites...
Now,i have learned over 15 reasons why it will not work. I will only mention 2 for lack of space.
hell no don't do that! google video "longtudinal electricity" for borderland sciences vids (from the 80s!) they explain all :) and you want to build up a jolt to really really *********** the water up before its even at your anode/cathode, and pulse it in once its ready, and stand WELL back just incase... as for the green thing i'm sure you'll see in one of these vids someplace ;)
in laymans terms, short the water itself using tesla like resonating coils to build up a MASSIVE charge in the chamber, resulting in quite frankly something I don't understand. the electricity turns green I know that much.
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I'm just sick of people who claim to know how to make a car run on hydrogen, and don't release ANY direct information or a video showing the person driving the car on it. Then there's the other people who just say it can't be done or that it can be but "they are doing it all wrong". I wish someone who has the talent and has made it work should finally come out, grow some balls, share their gift of intelligence and help us all save money.
You really need to try harder. Check out Bob Boyce info, use google, I can't put a URL here, but go to pesn period com- for tons of detailed specs, the rest is up to you, einstein, if you've got the time, the money and the balls.
@magicyte, they don't release any information because it doesn't work. Think using a battery to run a battery charger to charge the battery, Eventually the battery will go dead as the battery's energy is depleted. Notice people pushing their products are trying to profit by selling you on the idea it works, but look around.... if this worked it would be EVERYWHERE. Save your money from this foolishness and just think how many miles you can go by just buying gas instead of throwing it away
@mahammadabba Don't worry man...I've figured out for myself what the real solution is...and it ins't future tech but rather ancient tech. Harnessing the sun's heat and the earths ability to stay cool. The real truth is no new tech can save us uuntil currency is eliminated. Energy = Labour Cost. It all costs the fucking same amount. So until there is no money and we all live without currency we are all doomed.
@magicyte, where is there no currency? are you planning on living on the moon? But if you have it all figured out that's all that matters. We can all live on the starship enterprise where money has no meaning and we are all assigned jobs we love, Captain, Ensign, bartender... and get everything we want from a food generator. Beam me up, magicyte, there is no intelligent life forms here.
As for me, I have a fair amount of cash that I have traded for labor. Works for me.
@mahammadabba Currency is complete bullshit. Where is the logic in it? Why put a value on the labour when labour in itself is the value? A garbage man has the exact same benefit to society as a doctor. Both are needed...yet one lives rich..the other lives poor. Now if instead value was placed on time spent working rather than the type of work performed we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
@magicyte, if currency is so bullshit I will provide you my paypal account and you can put all your money in it. That will make us both very happy.
Are you from France? Because your socialist view of the world does not include zero vs 12+ years of medical school. Not many garbage men have PhD's now, do they? Some of them make pretty good money and like their jobs.
Leisure time is something I do for fun and responding to mental midgits is one thing I do, can you tell?
@mahammadabba Some garbage men like their jobs? What about the others that hate it. Can you show one example of a doctor who hates his job? Do you really think everyone is capable of a university education? Have you ever rationalized what a world would be like without essential services and infrastructure? Your doctor leisure time wouldn't mean shit without a grunt to pave the road for you on your way to it.
@magicyte, 1. Yes, I do know 1 doctor that hates his job, he does autopsy's and wants to work with young, nubile women.
2. Sure, everyone is capable of a university education. Look at Steven Hawking, wheelchair bound and able to become a noted scientist. Look at obama, an IQ of 50 and he got a degree from Harvard.
3. A world without essential services would be like Africa.
4. how about other countries, where there are grunts and no doctors?
@mahammadabba 1) A garbage man doesn't choose that life. A doctor does. So the doctor with the university education is even more retarded than the guy who picks up trash. 2) Obama does not have an IQ of 50. That's equivalant to retardation. 3) So all of a sudden garbage men are equal in importance to doctors. you're not making much of an arguement here. Now your saying they're just as important. Would you be willing to make what a garbage man makes?
@magicyte you are wrong, I know garbage men who get paid a lot and love what they do. They make money on some of the stuff they pick up on the route. What are you rambling about garbage guys and doctors? I doubt you have ever met either.
Tony Soprano ran a garbage collection service and I would LOVE to make what he made.
@magicyte, I guess it's why a blogger like you and obama just don't make the same money even though you both have the same IQ. But tell me why obama, the most powerful man in the world lets his brother live in a hut in Kenya and lives on $1 a year?
@mahammadabba Obama is not the most powerful man in the world. And my bet would be that Obama has no say in what his brother does...I'm sure the brother's a big boy and can make his own decisions in life. I don't even know why I responded to this...it has nothing to do with energy...guess I just wanted to show ours your lack of intelligence.
@mahammadabba Btw dude...IQ is meaningless. Aptitude is everything. IQ is just there to make bookworms feel better about themselves. Knowledge is useless without knowing how to apply it.
@mahammadabba Just don't even bother replying. You've doubled back on your arguements and that's annoying. If you truly believe that Obama has an IQ of 50 then that probably explains things. Hey you might be just as smart as Obama! Bye.
@mahammadabba Btw...I did some checking...turns out Obama's IQ is at least 100 and ranges up to 145 depending on the sources. So now I've proven you to speak without having facts. You are a liar. Now for the real one. Bye.
@mahammadabba Sorry sir...the avergae is a range between 80 and 120. Go ahead and research a little more...you're almost there...and why are you asking me the science behind hho? I've never made any claim about it at all. I said that its wrong for people who know how to withold the knowledge. Uhhhgg....I really am done wih you now. Bye bye.
@magicyte, I do make the claim that there is no way to provide enough hho from a running vehicle and have proved it over and over. Just because someone puts 2 12v electrodes into water will never run a vehicle. People try but it just doesn't work and they try to claim that there is some magic advance in MPG, but after 30 years of trying people have actually proved Meyer was a fraud.
Really, no one is withholding anything because there is nothing there.
@lucifernonce Obviously you know nothing of history, read a little bit and watch a few videos and you may know that everyone including the government, Edison, the Rockefeller family, anyone with real power and the public saw his as a quack that would destroy the world, after that generation died the next looked at what he did and found a way to use them for good and help others, a water car will not do that, think about it,
@lucifernonce 7 billion people all of a sudden splitting water and using it for power sources well I can at least say that we will never have a raising sea lever, who knows we may even find out whats a the bottom of the Oceans. Humans will use and abuse a source of energy until its to late.
@magicyte would an intelligent man who knows how to save money tell everyone else how as well? then his material cost would go up and there would be no point in what he is doing.
@adamslurch71 You're not making much of a point. Explain why solar power is being sold then. Does that not save people money? What about evacuated tubes...I for one would love to see people who drill oil lose there jobs...along with the people that build hydroelectric damns...progress kills jobs and changes value....facts of life. Live with it.
@adamslurch71 And material cost is only for start up for the plan I laid out. Composite cylinders don't just decay. They last for a lifetime. So the only thing that could possible run up costs is the plastic supply lines...and if those actually get so expensive people can't afford them...I'd have to assume a civil war would be right around the corner.
@adamslurch71 True...the tech has to have labour behind it to maintain it when it breaks down...but really...it will come to this sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. Mass production's destiny is to remove jobs from people...so really...to go after this tech is good and bad. Good for those that make money from helping others...bad for the people losing jobs in their respective fields. We can't all work forever though...how we handle currency is the real problem.
@magicyte you can't make a car run 100% on HHO simply because it's not a perfect 100% efficiency system it's the same as trying to recharge your baterry using a generator that is powered by the same battery it will fail because you lose energy in the process as heat, anyone know this, it's the conservative energy law. so stop wasting your time on that, a can run partialy on HHO because HHO works as a fuel catalyst on gasoline basicaly ir makes gas a better fuel and that's it
@vanguardbr Of course you can make a car run on hho. It's the same as propane as far as fuel goes. And no fuel is 100% efficient yet...not one. I'm saying hho can be made off site by using solar power, and then hooked up to a car the same way that propane is hooked up to many cabs in the world. A car can run SOLELY on HHO just as well as propane. It just has to be made off site.
@magicyte i was trying to say that it's not a self regenerative system, as propane isan't as you have to refuel the propane cylinder, you have to recharge the batteries runing the electrolyzer hydrogen is a fuel just like any combustible gas i was trying to alert people that no car can be runned solo on water, you need to recahrge the batteries or use solar energy at some point because there is not a 100% efficiency system =]
@vanguardbr I gotcha. What saddens me most...is that everyone of these people designing these things...don't just stop. For real..just stop pursuing onboard generation. Fill up some cylinders with hho...pressurize them...and hook em up to a car...what is so bad about using solar power from home to be your electrical current for it? It's a guaranteed invention. It does and will work. Imagine just the start up cost of solar panels...that's it. Good for decades of sustainable fuel.
@magicyte, I believe you are saying that cars can run on hydrogen, that's 100% true. Check out how hard it is to contain hydrogen, it's very corrosive and explosive.
It's more efficient to run a car off a charged battery than to use electricity to make hho to run a car. The cars now are actually running off gasoline and losing power because of the drain on the alternator to produce hho.
@mahammadabba Good point...really makes you wonder why we haven't made complete use of lightweight batteries for such a purpose. Surely there must be a high capacity alloy lighter than lead and other materials. I really think it's the cars that are the problem. I bet I could make a great one seater car just from a lawnmower engine. No tranny, just an engine on a chassis. Unless the chinese are doing it already?...
@yascumbag It would definitely pull it. It just wouldn't be road legal unless you could tag it for the weight. (40' steel container is around 8500lb I think).
Around here, non cdl weighted tags rate up to 26,000gvwr (total weight of truck, trailer, and load), cdl is 26,001 to 100,000 (more if you have a permit for it).
@getsafe1212, did a search, it takes from 10~20 hp to run a car at 60 mph. Let's be generous and say it's 10 hp. I takes 746w to make 1 hp so that would be 7460 watts, using a 12v battery to make that much power would be 7460w/12v ~ 622 amps. How many solar cells would it take to produce that much power?
You should attach a metal outlet to the end of the hydrogen pipe, and light it with a blow torch. Then, you'll have a hydrogen flame thrower (or whatever you call it)
So as I read in these past post, I wander who could be right. The non engineers who hooked up a booster to a car and found they increased their mpg's,,,or the engineers who are stating that it's impossible and lay out dozens of formulas and figures? The helicopter according to math cannot fly, but it does. ,,,So far it seems that there is more field data showing boosters increased mpg, than what the formulas are trying to show, which is more energy used to make hho than the hho can help.
According to math a helicopter can't fly? What are you talking about? Of course math says it can fly! Engineers are the ones that MADE it fly!
I think scientists and engineers are probably more likely, not the common hobbyist tinkering in his garage. Why? Because they have a broad base of knowledge and know how of HOW TO measure stuff. So many times, people will claim they are getting 20LPM with 10W of power. They aren't a lier... They just didn't measure stuff correctly.
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People are running cars off of this because there is very low energy loss, way lower than what it takes to charge a battery and discharge it. Even if people put electric rails on the roads there would be loss in money.
@picaticatara -wrong. If you're starting with grid electricity, electrolysis on this scale is at best 80% efficient. Compressing the hydrogen takes some energy, and then the worst part- the internal combustion engine is only around 20% efficient. It also runs while the car is stopped and all of the braking energy is lost to heat. Meanwhile a Li-ion battery has a charge/discharge efficiency of 99%.
Brushless electrid motors have an efficiency of around 80%. Plus you can recapture braking energy, and the motor isnt running when you're stopped. Electric cars-batteries and all- are much more efficient than making hydrogen and burning it in a combustion engine.
Want to see what it takes to run an engine on H2 or HHO? Watch this video: /watch?v=PFrkHFmjx0c, in that clip it took 65Amps just to IDLE a 2HP engine. Lets say the resistance across the HHO unit is a VERY LOW estimated 10ohm of resistance (the HHO unit would be way higher of course) this would result in 42.25kW of power being consumed by the HHO/H2 unit. Photovoltaic electrolysis is a better way to get H2 or just use solar power in general.
why would anyone use electricity to make hydrogen to use as car fuel and deal with the losses of the H production process when you could use the electricity directly, and if I recall correctly electric engines have greater efficiency than combustion ones since it creates circular motion directly (unlike the combustion engine) and even it they are not, why should time and energy be wasted on a "middleman" like H, just consider what terrorist could do with a few tank fulls of the stuff
The same people that flame HHO as scams will be the same people riding horse drawn carriages when the rest of us are driving around in Hydrogen powered cars when we run outta oil.... The joke's on you morons...
moronbill, tell me how you are going to produce hydrogen when we run out of oil? Can't you read... these morons are using the car battery to produce their hho and charging the battery through gasoline.
Come back when you've worked out how many solar panels you need to produce enough HHO to fuel your car for a day.
That is a problem we will have to face when coal, gas, oil, and nuclear powered power plants run out. Where's the electricity to do electrolysis going to come from other than wind and solar?
Who said anything about solar panels? Theres many more efficient and more viable means to produce electricity for HHO production... Nuclear, Hydroelectric, Thermal, etc. Either you're really dumb or you just crawled out from under a rock... So again, you're the one being laughed at....
let's see.... at 15 watts per square meter and with 746w/hp, it would take 50 square meters of solar panels per hp, the average car needs.... say.... 40 hp to move at highway speeds now we are up to 2000 square meters of solar panels or 18000 square feet of solar panels minute for minute of running (given no losses in the system). My house is 30x60 feet or 1800 square feet so it would take 10 of my houses in solar panels. At $250 per sq/meter that would cost $4.5 million????
@mahammadabba so honda made a car that moves on hydrogen ....and they paid 4,5 million.....ooh you're the smart and they are stupid....forgot that sorry..
@lefterul, ohhh, you are the stupid one. How does the hydrogen system work on the Honda? Is it a copy of Stan Meyer's failed machine? No, it's an engine designed to use hydrogen. Do they fill it using household current for hydrolysis? No, it's filled at a hydrogen filling station. Obviously you are too poor AND stupid to purchase one of these hydrogen cars, much less maintain it. Good luck on your future bankruptcy.
@mahammadabba Nuclear power without the constaint of currency is the real solution. Kinda funny how all material related to producing a nuclear reaction are against the law to obtain or use privately. I just saw an add in the mail about "eco" fences. Made from plastic at $400 per 8 feet. How in the hell does translate? More people are giving up on oil so the oil companies try to cash in on the global warming scam. Same goes for solar panels.
@magicyte, what will motivate people to work without currency rewards? Why is nuclear material illegal? Maybe because it's DEADLY? Are you high on crack?
As for the term 'eco', it's means 'this is either too expensive comparatively so I will make you feel guilty about not buying it'.
AlGore getting caught with his pants down is the best thing that could have happened to negate the global warming scammers.
'Green' is eco-terrorist speak, don't fall for it.
@mahammadabba Nuclear material is illegal because it's deadly? lol...nope...try again...it's illegal because it's incredibly useful. Cigarettes are deadly...caffiene is deadly...driving a car is deadly...I don't see those being illegal. And if someone wnats to play with nuclear tech then let them...I don't need the governments protection...if I kill myself using it then so be it. Personal responsibility. Nothing will ever change until currency ceases to exist.
@magicyte You have one warped view of reality. Nuclear material can be used to make a dirty bomb and make millions sick. Cigarettes are a personal suicide drug, caffine is no way deadly and driving a car is a responsibility. I wouldn't want someone as mentally ill as you getting close to nuclear material.
@mahammadabba A few thoughts: Cars do not need peak power continuously for very long. The tesla motors cars for instance use 110 Whr/km on average.
Also, there are large (50MW) solar power plants around the world, and they turn a profit. Don't dismiss solar based on the price of a residential model
@mahammadabba new solar painels do 50w on a 50x30cm plate so your info is inacurate for today standards, but, it will require much much area than your car have yes, and it will cost you like US$300.000 yes too. =]
@mahammadabba "@vanguardbr, that's crazy. prove 50w on that small an area." Many residential production cells can produce 1000W/m^2. That's 150 W for a 150 cm^2 (30x50cm) size cell.
@mahammadabba The most come of the more efficient PVs are up to 40+% efficient, which would be about 400W/m2 considering incident sunlight at noon on a clear day.
Assume 150 W for the hell of it though, then for a 30x50cm area, we have 150W/m2*30cm*50cm/10000cm*m= 22.5W, not 3W.
I don't know where your 150cm*2 came from, that's only 300cm^2. not 30*50, ie 1500cm^2
@mahammadabba add me as a friend and i'll send you the message since you have blocked private messages, i can't post a link to a website here on the coments, so i can't prove it to you by reply. =] and the exact specs of the panel are:
@vanguardbr, send the name of the solar panel that puts out this much power. You leave much to assumption, STC is the 1000w/m*2 for direct sunlight at noon?
mot sure what am 1.5 is or the 25' notation.
You give 50w @ about 1/2 square meter, not the 300w you originally claimed.
I have intimate knowledge of the open/closed voltage and current curve.
Of course, the max wattage is under full sun at proper angle with clean screen, no dust or bird crap blocking it.
@TehMG - Your argument falls down on several points both trivial/pedantic and substantive.
1. You fail to appreciate the spare capacity of the existing power plants which produce every single second as much power as they can. Only at peak time is that not almost all wasted. Using that excess power to produce Hydrogen should be welcomed by the power companies as 'money for old rope'.
2. Hydrogen may be created from any source, and variation in car usage may well remove people from the marketplace altogether allowing them to become self-sufficient, assuming they have high enough sunlight intensity or low enough fuel demands.
3. (The Pedantic point) One cannot power a car on HHO... HHO is H2O is ice/water/steam and is the OUTPUT of the system, not the input.
wildbull, where is this hydrogen going to come from? It takes a hell of a lot of energy to separate water. It is more efficient to use batteries and electric motors. I would love to see you driving around on hydrogen.
just go fuck yourself you idiot. i think you should direct your farts through a tube which you'll stick in your mouth, maybe you'll have some shit coming as a bonus through the tube. just fuck off, why the fuck do you bother posting shit in here? the guy has something to show and he showed.why the fuck you post here your shit?go to your oil company and tell them you convinced 10 hho'ers today that they are wrong and they'll promote you to a higher rank.go drink your beer and fart all the way.
well, if you just did that you are gay and also stupid. it looks like you want to be a second jesus, you want to save people. I guess it's a war for you wit the hho'ers :)). you can continue to fuck yourself, I'll tell the porn televisions that you work for free and you are gay, maybe you'll also save 20 people there with your enthusiasm for this job ;)
Not gay unless it's done to someone of the same sex.
Could you post positive and confirmed stats from successfull hho's? No? I didn't think so. It's all about getting 'investors' for that breakthrough 'soon', right?
I'm sure you are 'big' in the gay porn industry and know a lot of people there.
I dont think you understand the concept though. Its water.....its nearly free. We get anywhere and everywhere. The ocean is full of it...its a cycle. Gas isnt dude.
holy fuck. YOU don't understand. Water is nothing... it's burnt up hydrogen. It's like the ashes in a campfire... you have to PUT energy into it to make hydrogen, RIGHT? So who gives a flying fuck about the water itself. Yes, the "ashes" are everywhere... they make up the ocean. It's finding an energy SOURCE to turn that water INTO hydrogen and oxygen that's the problem. Why don't you people get that???
Am I the one that is crazy? I feel like I'm in a nut house.
No sir, your not crazy. My thought is to figure out a clean way to create hydrogen and oxygen from H2O. If we can figure out an efficient and integrated way to create the necessary hydrogen, then I see no problem at all with this. A few ideas are solar power for hydrolosis or safe nuclear power to do it. But the question is for me is is it necessary to do hydrogen fuel cells since we would already have to create electricity to make it? I dunno, seems almost round-about. Any thoughts?
Let me get this straight - using H2 and O2 for powering a fuel cell, which is very efficient is redundant, but using H2 and O2 for an internal combustion engine(NOT efficient, ~30%) is not redundant?
H2 should not be an end all in itself, but possibly the MEANS to accomplishing clean fuels. BTW a fuel is NOT an energy source. It is only an energy carrier, like a battery. You may think a battery is a source, but in reality, it took energy from a source to make it. Just like H2.
jholman, it has been thought of and dismissed. Hydrogen is a very small molecule and hard to contain. It is very explosive. It is also corrosive. Solar is VERY EXPENSIVE and nuclear power is going on the grid so we can use less coal.
Why take (x) joules of power, convert that energy to less joules, transport it using more energy and more losses....?
You will that the US Department of Energy says the BTU content of a cubic foot of hydrogen is 270 BTU and gasoline 836,000 BTU. H2 O2 is only 2/3 hydrogen, so only 180 BTU. The US Department of Energy figure is at 60F. At a more typical 120F more like 161 BTU. 836,000 divided by 161 means gasoline has 5193 times more energy.
what about cars that run on cold fusion! I recently discovered a company called Energetics Technologies. They have a process called SuperWaveFusion, which could be a possible breakthrough in cold fusion. The use of SuperWaves in the loading stage creates reported levels of excess heat that have never been obtained before. I am trying to learn more about this process and would like to hear from others about what they think.
Doesn't it suck balls, that there is so much we could make for ourselves, but do to the high % of human assholes in the world who want nothing more than to kill people, we are banned from resources that would make our ideas fly!
Just remember, HHO requires 3,500x the volume of gasoline for the same amount of energy. 2LPM would create the amount of energy contained in a gallon of gasoline in about 5 days. So at 1.1kw an hour for 4.8 days would cost you around 16 bucks for the equivalent of a gallon of gas~(at the US average of 12cents per kwh). 116+KWH! Not to mention unpressurized the container holding the HHO with the energy equivalent of 1 gallon of gas would be bigger than your car (at atmospheric pressure).
If you use straight DC then your calculations might be correct. This is the same argument that they used to discredit Tesla, and there was only one reason to do that.
You forget the maintenance and upkeep it takes to pressurize HHO. Look up the fuel miser for example. You have over a dollar per gallon in equivalent cost just to pressurize it into a transportable volume. Tesla wanted free energy and had the right way to express that energy. An electric motor is 95% efficient, HHO in an ICE is less than 15% efficient. HHO only distracts people from tesla's work, and the proven way to store, transport, and express energy into mechanical motion efficiently.
So even if the HHO just showed up and you didn't take 200%+ more energy to create, then you have operating cost of compressors, and then using it in an ICE recovers very little of that energy. You are much better off using the electricity that you used to create the HHO with a chemical battery (80%+ efficient) and then using an electric motor (95%+ efficient) Which makes HHO as a fuel useless since it has negative effects as a gasoline catalyst..
@efendulov actually a chemist would tell you that the gas that is produced should officially be discribed as: 2H2O2
since oxygen can not excist on it's own you always need O2. HHO is just a name some amateurs gave it. another name is hydroxy. The rest of what you say is pretty much right but litres is a bad way to measure since it changes with pressure and temperature so unless you record those 2 variables as you measure the liters per minute that value is pretty much not comparable to anything.
rdekraker 3 months ago
dude thats barely a fucking litre per minute....why dont you build a descent on...
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RowkingL 8 months ago
awesome man
BadRick951 8 months ago
did i miss something ?
pkqkennywood 8 months ago
I had a lpm gauge installed inline, it measured total output, not just HH or the O!
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how do you calculate the lpm of h2 and o2 theoretically??
vijaykris89 1 year ago
how do you calculate the lpm of h2 and o2 theoretically??
vijaykris89 1 year ago
@vijaykris89 for every o2 produced comes 2 h2 so if it's 2 liters a minute it's 1.3L h2 and 0.6L o2
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HomeWindGenerator 1 year ago
how much does 2 litters means in power created burning this gas what power source does it require (what the calculations say) come on ppl are we monkeys?
cris23dumi 1 year ago
@cris23dumi there are no calculations, aren't you just totally impressed by the bubbling water? Doesn't it make you want to throw millions of dollars at someone that can put a couple of electrodes in water, hook it up to a batery???? Not me, they are dumber than monkeys.
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Delrreis 1 year ago
@fightscience19, if it was true that hho worked, why doesn't a foreign country (China or Japan) run with it? They aren't 'tied' to 'big oil' as you say.
Bizarre, I challenge anyone who believes Meyer was murdered to have his body exhumed for traces of poison. But for some reason no one has even tried, why?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
your cells rusting, take the aluminium one
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henrykay01 1 year ago
@henrykay01, what is your breakthrough? Or are you just a scammer?
Russia? Makes sense.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Do you understand the Maxwell's equations? If so, I can send you a proof. My email address is in my contact box.
henrykay01 1 year ago
@henrykay01, I haven't seen them for over 25 years during engineering studies (BSEE degree). Send them and proof they destroy the laws of conservation of energy, I don't recall the professors making such wild claims.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba If you want to see the proofs, you have to send me an email.
henrykay01 1 year ago
@henrykay01 Stop with your damn proofs, they are a waste of time. I speak from personal experience. Go bring your damn proofs to a physicist at your local college, and see what they say
getsafe1212 1 year ago
@henrykay01 ok, here's your email. Send me your proofs. @ yahoodotcom I'm sure I've seen them before.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba My email address is in my contact box (click on "henrykay01" and you should see it).
henrykay01 1 year ago
how much juice is going through there?
bbglas007 1 year ago
Honestly...just think of HHO as propane. It's that simple. Cars run on propane in everyday traffic. HHO usage is no different. And a home do it yourselfer could educate themselves enough to convert a propane to use high psi HHO as a substitute. If I had the money...I would do it..no lie.
magicyte 1 year ago
I'm sick of jerks taking advantage of ignorant gullible people and selling them 'hho' generators. Sick to the nth degree.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Your just mad that you didnt think of it first, theres good money in stupid people, look at America, we pay our government and for what?
adamslurch71 1 year ago
@adamslurch71, we pay our government for roads, police, firefighters, parks, military etc etc.... I agree that stupid people flock to this hho fraud and people are ripping them off. it doesn't take a genius to put 12v into water and watch it bubble but it does take someone with some intelligence to realize the laws of thermodynamics and apply them to systems. Have a great day.
lucifernonce 1 year ago
@lucifernonce It also take an intelligent person to realize those laws may be wrong, just b/c that's what we currently know doesn't change it, think about it, hundreds of years ago everyone knew the earth was flat, and yet it changed, so who's to say the "laws of thermodynamics" are 100% correct? If you only live by them you will never know how to challenge them.
adamslurch71 1 year ago
@lucifernonce then explain why our roads are crap, our police are getting fired as well as our firefighters, our parks are being shut down for developments and the military is fighting and killing for a reason that probably only a dead man knows.
adamslurch71 1 year ago
@lucifernonce They're not getting ripped off. People rip themselves off by limiting their intelligence. HHO can and does work...just not the way they present it. If people could finally pull their heads out of their asses they'd be better off. All how-to videos on youtube are at most 90% of the info needed to fully digest a subject. Take this HHO. Yes...HHO will not work on a car stand alone onboard generated. Running from pressurized cylinders...now you're talkin'
magicyte 1 year ago
@lucifernonce Now you know that pressurized cylinders can carry the payload of HHO into the engine at a high enough psi...you ask..."How do you make enough HHO?"...easy. Sort of. Use solar power to provide electrolysis to generate HHO and have an automatic storage unit with a cut off for when the max psi is reached in the cylinder. Might take a day or 2 to fill...but you won't burn through HHO fast enough in a car to make that matter anyways.
magicyte 1 year ago
HHO scammers seem to forget the first law of thermodynamics. Those ideas sound just as bizarre to an educated man as a concept of a perpetual motion machine.
levon606 1 year ago
@levon606 shut up.. jk XD
CEFD11777 1 year ago
@levon606 The only real method right now would work %100...but you'd need some solar panels...so as long as you got a permanent storage method with an automatic shut off...you could leave it to fill canisters...and then just rig the car to work off of cylinders...swapping them when empty. Unfortunately...no ones really shown it yet...but it will work. Just has a big start up cost...then again...not much bigger than a year or two of gasoline cost.
magicyte 1 year ago
@levon606 So true but they are fun to watch until they finally stop.
adamslurch71 1 year ago
i think the poster of thi video never said that he claims to run the vehicle on hho .
nadeem5476 1 year ago
@nadeem5476, no but he does claim the bubbling tube is producing *2 liters per minute* of something, but he doesn't say what.
To prove the 2 liters he should have placed a 2 liter bottle full of water upside down in water, then timed the flow, the bubbles displacing the water in real time.
Anyway, 2 liters a minute might produce enough to light a cigarette, but wouldn't run anything as big as a car.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
if this is quack science, and I think many come to that conclusion because they don't have clue what they are doing, then why did a police department in Massachusetts convert all of their police vehicles to HHO hybrids and save on gasoline as was reported on their local news channel? Looks pretty legit.
coyotegene86 1 year ago
@coyotegene86 not HHO, hydrogen vehicles. Get a clue.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba well who is the stupid now?me?the one that can't afford such a car..?or you that you judge me by the money....good luck surviving...because people like in the upcoming society don't have a place....they D I E alone...hahahahahha
lefterul 1 year ago
@lefterul, you are the stupid one now. I am surviving very well but if you want to die in a big group good luck. :) We all die in the end.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
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ShebaMouett40 1 year ago
so how do you know this produces 2 liters per minute, do you have any data to back this claim or do you use calibrated vision to see the gas form and meter it that way
Hondatron1 1 year ago
CAN U FIND ANY VIDS WITH PROVEN RESULTS? NO
Because there are non, i fell for this hoax like other thousands, after two weeks of reaserch and having installed a 3ltr per min hho reactor i have no improvement in mileage or performance.
Im only thkfull because i didnt buy any instruction from fraudulent sites...
Now,i have learned over 15 reasons why it will not work. I will only mention 2 for lack of space.
if u want to know more let me know...
forfunmx 1 year ago
1) 4cil 2ltr engine uses 2,000 ltrs of air per minuteat 2000rpm
2ltrs x 2000rpms / 2 = 2000ltrs of air per min
3 or 6 ltrs per min of hho wont do s...
2) hho alone inside an engine contracts (implodes) into h2o (water) doesnt explode like gas therefore 4 stroke engines will not work on hho alone
SPREAD THE WORD!!
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forfunmx 1 year ago
@Exutus
hell no don't do that! google video "longtudinal electricity" for borderland sciences vids (from the 80s!) they explain all :) and you want to build up a jolt to really really *********** the water up before its even at your anode/cathode, and pulse it in once its ready, and stand WELL back just incase... as for the green thing i'm sure you'll see in one of these vids someplace ;)
KKinsane2009 1 year ago
@Exutus
in laymans terms, short the water itself using tesla like resonating coils to build up a MASSIVE charge in the chamber, resulting in quite frankly something I don't understand. the electricity turns green I know that much.
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coolyzube 1 year ago
di electric, BREAKDOWN...god how have ALL of you missed the fricking design flaws here. every, single, fricking, time.
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KKinsane2009 1 year ago
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tigerklink 1 year ago
I'm just sick of people who claim to know how to make a car run on hydrogen, and don't release ANY direct information or a video showing the person driving the car on it. Then there's the other people who just say it can't be done or that it can be but "they are doing it all wrong". I wish someone who has the talent and has made it work should finally come out, grow some balls, share their gift of intelligence and help us all save money.
magicyte 2 years ago 8
You really need to try harder. Check out Bob Boyce info, use google, I can't put a URL here, but go to pesn period com- for tons of detailed specs, the rest is up to you, einstein, if you've got the time, the money and the balls.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
@magicyte, they don't release any information because it doesn't work. Think using a battery to run a battery charger to charge the battery, Eventually the battery will go dead as the battery's energy is depleted. Notice people pushing their products are trying to profit by selling you on the idea it works, but look around.... if this worked it would be EVERYWHERE. Save your money from this foolishness and just think how many miles you can go by just buying gas instead of throwing it away
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Don't worry man...I've figured out for myself what the real solution is...and it ins't future tech but rather ancient tech. Harnessing the sun's heat and the earths ability to stay cool. The real truth is no new tech can save us uuntil currency is eliminated. Energy = Labour Cost. It all costs the fucking same amount. So until there is no money and we all live without currency we are all doomed.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte, where is there no currency? are you planning on living on the moon? But if you have it all figured out that's all that matters. We can all live on the starship enterprise where money has no meaning and we are all assigned jobs we love, Captain, Ensign, bartender... and get everything we want from a food generator. Beam me up, magicyte, there is no intelligent life forms here.
As for me, I have a fair amount of cash that I have traded for labor. Works for me.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Currency is complete bullshit. Where is the logic in it? Why put a value on the labour when labour in itself is the value? A garbage man has the exact same benefit to society as a doctor. Both are needed...yet one lives rich..the other lives poor. Now if instead value was placed on time spent working rather than the type of work performed we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte, if currency is so bullshit I will provide you my paypal account and you can put all your money in it. That will make us both very happy.
Are you from France? Because your socialist view of the world does not include zero vs 12+ years of medical school. Not many garbage men have PhD's now, do they? Some of them make pretty good money and like their jobs.
Leisure time is something I do for fun and responding to mental midgits is one thing I do, can you tell?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Some garbage men like their jobs? What about the others that hate it. Can you show one example of a doctor who hates his job? Do you really think everyone is capable of a university education? Have you ever rationalized what a world would be like without essential services and infrastructure? Your doctor leisure time wouldn't mean shit without a grunt to pave the road for you on your way to it.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte, 1. Yes, I do know 1 doctor that hates his job, he does autopsy's and wants to work with young, nubile women.
2. Sure, everyone is capable of a university education. Look at Steven Hawking, wheelchair bound and able to become a noted scientist. Look at obama, an IQ of 50 and he got a degree from Harvard.
3. A world without essential services would be like Africa.
4. how about other countries, where there are grunts and no doctors?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba 1) A garbage man doesn't choose that life. A doctor does. So the doctor with the university education is even more retarded than the guy who picks up trash. 2) Obama does not have an IQ of 50. That's equivalant to retardation. 3) So all of a sudden garbage men are equal in importance to doctors. you're not making much of an arguement here. Now your saying they're just as important. Would you be willing to make what a garbage man makes?
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte you are wrong, I know garbage men who get paid a lot and love what they do. They make money on some of the stuff they pick up on the route. What are you rambling about garbage guys and doctors? I doubt you have ever met either.
Tony Soprano ran a garbage collection service and I would LOVE to make what he made.
You just love to look like an idiot, don't you?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@magicyte, I guess it's why a blogger like you and obama just don't make the same money even though you both have the same IQ. But tell me why obama, the most powerful man in the world lets his brother live in a hut in Kenya and lives on $1 a year?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Obama is not the most powerful man in the world. And my bet would be that Obama has no say in what his brother does...I'm sure the brother's a big boy and can make his own decisions in life. I don't even know why I responded to this...it has nothing to do with energy...guess I just wanted to show ours your lack of intelligence.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte, you did show a lack of intelligence. Good job, keep it up.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Btw dude...IQ is meaningless. Aptitude is everything. IQ is just there to make bookworms feel better about themselves. Knowledge is useless without knowing how to apply it.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte so where is your hho success? Show the world you have broken the laws of physics?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba I never made a claim that I know how. Nor did I ever say I've tried either. Do you even know who you are talking to?
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte I'm talking to a moron on the internet. Any other questions?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Just don't even bother replying. You've doubled back on your arguements and that's annoying. If you truly believe that Obama has an IQ of 50 then that probably explains things. Hey you might be just as smart as Obama! Bye.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte, you are smarter than obama and that's not saying much at all.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@magicyte why shouldn't I reply to a retard like you?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Btw...I did some checking...turns out Obama's IQ is at least 100 and ranges up to 145 depending on the sources. So now I've proven you to speak without having facts. You are a liar. Now for the real one. Bye.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte, 100 is average, but you wouldn't know that would you?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Sorry sir...the avergae is a range between 80 and 120. Go ahead and research a little more...you're almost there...and why are you asking me the science behind hho? I've never made any claim about it at all. I said that its wrong for people who know how to withold the knowledge. Uhhhgg....I really am done wih you now. Bye bye.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte, I do make the claim that there is no way to provide enough hho from a running vehicle and have proved it over and over. Just because someone puts 2 12v electrodes into water will never run a vehicle. People try but it just doesn't work and they try to claim that there is some magic advance in MPG, but after 30 years of trying people have actually proved Meyer was a fraud.
Really, no one is withholding anything because there is nothing there.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Yes but people called Nicola Tesla a fraud and look how many of his technologies are around today.
adamslurch71 1 year ago
@adamslurch71, could you name some people that called Tesla a fraud? If so, how does that make Meyer NOT a fraud?
lucifernonce 1 year ago
@lucifernonce Obviously you know nothing of history, read a little bit and watch a few videos and you may know that everyone including the government, Edison, the Rockefeller family, anyone with real power and the public saw his as a quack that would destroy the world, after that generation died the next looked at what he did and found a way to use them for good and help others, a water car will not do that, think about it,
adamslurch71 1 year ago
@lucifernonce 7 billion people all of a sudden splitting water and using it for power sources well I can at least say that we will never have a raising sea lever, who knows we may even find out whats a the bottom of the Oceans. Humans will use and abuse a source of energy until its to late.
adamslurch71 1 year ago
@magicyte, so how many 100's of liters per second would it take to propel a vehicle 55 mhp?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
Omg this idiot only blow to a hose.
605868278 1 year ago
@magicyte LOL i got big balls i just dnt hav a brain yet XD
CEFD11777 1 year ago
@magicyte would an intelligent man who knows how to save money tell everyone else how as well? then his material cost would go up and there would be no point in what he is doing.
adamslurch71 1 year ago
@adamslurch71 You're not making much of a point. Explain why solar power is being sold then. Does that not save people money? What about evacuated tubes...I for one would love to see people who drill oil lose there jobs...along with the people that build hydroelectric damns...progress kills jobs and changes value....facts of life. Live with it.
magicyte 1 year ago
@adamslurch71 And material cost is only for start up for the plan I laid out. Composite cylinders don't just decay. They last for a lifetime. So the only thing that could possible run up costs is the plastic supply lines...and if those actually get so expensive people can't afford them...I'd have to assume a civil war would be right around the corner.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte theres is no forever, try again. there is an end to everything, or is there?
adamslurch71 1 year ago
@adamslurch71 True...the tech has to have labour behind it to maintain it when it breaks down...but really...it will come to this sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. Mass production's destiny is to remove jobs from people...so really...to go after this tech is good and bad. Good for those that make money from helping others...bad for the people losing jobs in their respective fields. We can't all work forever though...how we handle currency is the real problem.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte you can't make a car run 100% on HHO simply because it's not a perfect 100% efficiency system it's the same as trying to recharge your baterry using a generator that is powered by the same battery it will fail because you lose energy in the process as heat, anyone know this, it's the conservative energy law. so stop wasting your time on that, a can run partialy on HHO because HHO works as a fuel catalyst on gasoline basicaly ir makes gas a better fuel and that's it
vanguardbr 1 year ago
@vanguardbr Of course you can make a car run on hho. It's the same as propane as far as fuel goes. And no fuel is 100% efficient yet...not one. I'm saying hho can be made off site by using solar power, and then hooked up to a car the same way that propane is hooked up to many cabs in the world. A car can run SOLELY on HHO just as well as propane. It just has to be made off site.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte i was trying to say that it's not a self regenerative system, as propane isan't as you have to refuel the propane cylinder, you have to recharge the batteries runing the electrolyzer hydrogen is a fuel just like any combustible gas i was trying to alert people that no car can be runned solo on water, you need to recahrge the batteries or use solar energy at some point because there is not a 100% efficiency system =]
vanguardbr 1 year ago
@vanguardbr I gotcha. What saddens me most...is that everyone of these people designing these things...don't just stop. For real..just stop pursuing onboard generation. Fill up some cylinders with hho...pressurize them...and hook em up to a car...what is so bad about using solar power from home to be your electrical current for it? It's a guaranteed invention. It does and will work. Imagine just the start up cost of solar panels...that's it. Good for decades of sustainable fuel.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte, I believe you are saying that cars can run on hydrogen, that's 100% true. Check out how hard it is to contain hydrogen, it's very corrosive and explosive.
It's more efficient to run a car off a charged battery than to use electricity to make hho to run a car. The cars now are actually running off gasoline and losing power because of the drain on the alternator to produce hho.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Good point...really makes you wonder why we haven't made complete use of lightweight batteries for such a purpose. Surely there must be a high capacity alloy lighter than lead and other materials. I really think it's the cars that are the problem. I bet I could make a great one seater car just from a lawnmower engine. No tranny, just an engine on a chassis. Unless the chinese are doing it already?...
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte, the American way of life is 100hp, 0 to 60 before we become roadkill by some semi (which has 500 diesel hp).
If you want to save gas, buy a bicycle.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba your numbers are all wrong, semis have much lower powers, many cars on the road with less than 100HP.
Check your info
getsafe1212 1 year ago
@getsafe1212 "Semi's" are generally rated anywhere from 200-600hp, passenger cars average around 180-200. (In the US)
Check your common sense...
wildbill6976 1 year ago
@wildbill6976 shit thats alot of hp
what are ya drivin a racing car?
mine is only 80hp and it's fast enough top speed 170kph
yascumbag 1 year ago
@yascumbag
2001 Silverado 5.3 = 305hp, 325 ft/lb
2011 Duramax = 397hp, 765 ft/lb
1998 Peterbilt 389 = 500hp, 1850ft/lb
wildbill6976 1 year ago
@wildbill6976 whoa do you mean to say the duramax could carry a 40footer container if the wheels could support its weight?
i know MAN artic trucks here are 410hp standard
yascumbag 1 year ago
@yascumbag It would definitely pull it. It just wouldn't be road legal unless you could tag it for the weight. (40' steel container is around 8500lb I think).
Around here, non cdl weighted tags rate up to 26,000gvwr (total weight of truck, trailer, and load), cdl is 26,001 to 100,000 (more if you have a permit for it).
wildbill6976 1 year ago
@getsafe1212, did a search, it takes from 10~20 hp to run a car at 60 mph. Let's be generous and say it's 10 hp. I takes 746w to make 1 hp so that would be 7460 watts, using a 12v battery to make that much power would be 7460w/12v ~ 622 amps. How many solar cells would it take to produce that much power?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba 7.46kW/(.1kW/m2) = 74.6 m^2 assuming 100W/m^2. Depends on the power density of the cell
getsafe1212 1 year ago
@getsafe1212, check out the big solar panels that put out 45 watts and quit trying to blow smoke up my ass. Accept the physical realities of solar.
lucifernonce 1 year ago
@lucifernonce Sorry, I'm not an expert in solar power density, some quick references noted that the world wide average incident power is 170 W/m2.
So are you against solar then? Only 45 instead of my suggested 100 W/m2? Same order of magnitude, doesn't change the viability of solar
getsafe1212 1 year ago
@magicyte bob boyce made it, but never got a chance to drive it, just testing. it's difficult but not impossible.
tarmogr 1 year ago
You should attach a metal outlet to the end of the hydrogen pipe, and light it with a blow torch. Then, you'll have a hydrogen flame thrower (or whatever you call it)
Comhippy 2 years ago
So as I read in these past post, I wander who could be right. The non engineers who hooked up a booster to a car and found they increased their mpg's,,,or the engineers who are stating that it's impossible and lay out dozens of formulas and figures? The helicopter according to math cannot fly, but it does. ,,,So far it seems that there is more field data showing boosters increased mpg, than what the formulas are trying to show, which is more energy used to make hho than the hho can help.
EgyptianKings6 2 years ago
According to math a helicopter can't fly? What are you talking about? Of course math says it can fly! Engineers are the ones that MADE it fly!
I think scientists and engineers are probably more likely, not the common hobbyist tinkering in his garage. Why? Because they have a broad base of knowledge and know how of HOW TO measure stuff. So many times, people will claim they are getting 20LPM with 10W of power. They aren't a lier... They just didn't measure stuff correctly.
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conceil8 2 years ago
People are running cars off of this because there is very low energy loss, way lower than what it takes to charge a battery and discharge it. Even if people put electric rails on the roads there would be loss in money.
picaticatara 2 years ago
@picaticatara -wrong. If you're starting with grid electricity, electrolysis on this scale is at best 80% efficient. Compressing the hydrogen takes some energy, and then the worst part- the internal combustion engine is only around 20% efficient. It also runs while the car is stopped and all of the braking energy is lost to heat. Meanwhile a Li-ion battery has a charge/discharge efficiency of 99%.
proaudiohd 2 years ago
Brushless electrid motors have an efficiency of around 80%. Plus you can recapture braking energy, and the motor isnt running when you're stopped. Electric cars-batteries and all- are much more efficient than making hydrogen and burning it in a combustion engine.
proaudiohd 2 years ago
Want to see what it takes to run an engine on H2 or HHO? Watch this video: /watch?v=PFrkHFmjx0c, in that clip it took 65Amps just to IDLE a 2HP engine. Lets say the resistance across the HHO unit is a VERY LOW estimated 10ohm of resistance (the HHO unit would be way higher of course) this would result in 42.25kW of power being consumed by the HHO/H2 unit. Photovoltaic electrolysis is a better way to get H2 or just use solar power in general.
turbomoore 2 years ago
why would anyone use electricity to make hydrogen to use as car fuel and deal with the losses of the H production process when you could use the electricity directly, and if I recall correctly electric engines have greater efficiency than combustion ones since it creates circular motion directly (unlike the combustion engine) and even it they are not, why should time and energy be wasted on a "middleman" like H, just consider what terrorist could do with a few tank fulls of the stuff
computerulmeu 2 years ago
That is so unsafe. Hydrogen is flammable when exposed to the air like that. Even the slightest spark would see them burn.
AlmightyTurtleman 2 years ago
The same people that flame HHO as scams will be the same people riding horse drawn carriages when the rest of us are driving around in Hydrogen powered cars when we run outta oil.... The joke's on you morons...
wildbill6976 2 years ago
moronbill, tell me how you are going to produce hydrogen when we run out of oil? Can't you read... these morons are using the car battery to produce their hho and charging the battery through gasoline.
Come back when you get a clue.
mahammadabba 2 years ago
Wow, you really are a moron... You think gasoline is the only way to produce electricity? You Amish or something?
wildbill6976 2 years ago 2
wildbill, where did you come up with gasoline is the only way to produce electricity? Grade school start up today and you're bored already?
How about discussing hho produced from a running vehicle instead of being stupid?
mahammadabba 2 years ago
No, the joke's on YOU.
Come back when you've worked out how many solar panels you need to produce enough HHO to fuel your car for a day.
That is a problem we will have to face when coal, gas, oil, and nuclear powered power plants run out. Where's the electricity to do electrolysis going to come from other than wind and solar?
TehMG 2 years ago 2
Who said anything about solar panels? Theres many more efficient and more viable means to produce electricity for HHO production... Nuclear, Hydroelectric, Thermal, etc. Either you're really dumb or you just crawled out from under a rock... So again, you're the one being laughed at....
wildbill6976 2 years ago
You've shown your severe lack of maturity with those last two sentences.
TehMG 2 years ago
let's see.... at 15 watts per square meter and with 746w/hp, it would take 50 square meters of solar panels per hp, the average car needs.... say.... 40 hp to move at highway speeds now we are up to 2000 square meters of solar panels or 18000 square feet of solar panels minute for minute of running (given no losses in the system). My house is 30x60 feet or 1800 square feet so it would take 10 of my houses in solar panels. At $250 per sq/meter that would cost $4.5 million????
mahammadabba 2 years ago 5
@mahammadabba so honda made a car that moves on hydrogen ....and they paid 4,5 million.....ooh you're the smart and they are stupid....forgot that sorry..
lefterul 1 year ago
@lefterul, ohhh, you are the stupid one. How does the hydrogen system work on the Honda? Is it a copy of Stan Meyer's failed machine? No, it's an engine designed to use hydrogen. Do they fill it using household current for hydrolysis? No, it's filled at a hydrogen filling station. Obviously you are too poor AND stupid to purchase one of these hydrogen cars, much less maintain it. Good luck on your future bankruptcy.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Nuclear power without the constaint of currency is the real solution. Kinda funny how all material related to producing a nuclear reaction are against the law to obtain or use privately. I just saw an add in the mail about "eco" fences. Made from plastic at $400 per 8 feet. How in the hell does translate? More people are giving up on oil so the oil companies try to cash in on the global warming scam. Same goes for solar panels.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte, what will motivate people to work without currency rewards? Why is nuclear material illegal? Maybe because it's DEADLY? Are you high on crack?
As for the term 'eco', it's means 'this is either too expensive comparatively so I will make you feel guilty about not buying it'.
AlGore getting caught with his pants down is the best thing that could have happened to negate the global warming scammers.
'Green' is eco-terrorist speak, don't fall for it.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Nuclear material is illegal because it's deadly? lol...nope...try again...it's illegal because it's incredibly useful. Cigarettes are deadly...caffiene is deadly...driving a car is deadly...I don't see those being illegal. And if someone wnats to play with nuclear tech then let them...I don't need the governments protection...if I kill myself using it then so be it. Personal responsibility. Nothing will ever change until currency ceases to exist.
magicyte 1 year ago
@magicyte You have one warped view of reality. Nuclear material can be used to make a dirty bomb and make millions sick. Cigarettes are a personal suicide drug, caffine is no way deadly and driving a car is a responsibility. I wouldn't want someone as mentally ill as you getting close to nuclear material.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba A few thoughts: Cars do not need peak power continuously for very long. The tesla motors cars for instance use 110 Whr/km on average.
Also, there are large (50MW) solar power plants around the world, and they turn a profit. Don't dismiss solar based on the price of a residential model
getsafe1212 1 year ago
@getsafe1212, that's the same as a light bulb. How many weeks does it take to get to 60 mph?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba new solar painels do 50w on a 50x30cm plate so your info is inacurate for today standards, but, it will require much much area than your car have yes, and it will cost you like US$300.000 yes too. =]
vanguardbr 1 year ago
@vanguardbr, that's crazy. prove 50w on that small an area.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
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@mahammadabba "@vanguardbr, that's crazy. prove 50w on that small an area." Many residential production cells can produce 1000W/m^2. That's 150 W for a 150 cm^2 (30x50cm) size cell.
getsafe1212 1 year ago
@mahammadabba Correction, more like 200 W/m2 (residential PVs @ high noon), so 30W for a 150 cm^2 area
getsafe1212 1 year ago
@getsafe1212, everything I have seen is about 150 watts per meter squared.
There are 100 cm in a meter, so a meter*2 = 10,000 cm*2, (150cm*2/10,000cm*2)200w=3 watts per 150cm*2.
Is my math correct or not?
mahammadabba 1 year ago
@mahammadabba The most come of the more efficient PVs are up to 40+% efficient, which would be about 400W/m2 considering incident sunlight at noon on a clear day.
Assume 150 W for the hell of it though, then for a 30x50cm area, we have 150W/m2*30cm*50cm/10000cm*m= 22.5W, not 3W.
I don't know where your 150cm*2 came from, that's only 300cm^2. not 30*50, ie 1500cm^2
getsafe1212 1 year ago
@mahammadabba add me as a friend and i'll send you the message since you have blocked private messages, i can't post a link to a website here on the coments, so i can't prove it to you by reply. =] and the exact specs of the panel are:
540mm x 450mm x 30mm
(1in = 2.4cm = 24mm) for those who care...
Solar Module Typical Performance Characterístics:
Out Peak Power (PM)......... 50W
Max. Power Voltage (Vmp)..17,5V
Open-Circuit Voltage (Voc)..21V
Standard Test Condition: 1000W/M2, AM1.5, 25°
vanguardbr 1 year ago
@vanguardbr, send the name of the solar panel that puts out this much power. You leave much to assumption, STC is the 1000w/m*2 for direct sunlight at noon?
mot sure what am 1.5 is or the 25' notation.
You give 50w @ about 1/2 square meter, not the 300w you originally claimed.
I have intimate knowledge of the open/closed voltage and current curve.
Of course, the max wattage is under full sun at proper angle with clean screen, no dust or bird crap blocking it.
mahammadabba 1 year ago
tehmg, America has hundreds of years of oil in Alaska and the Dakota's.
We sure won't have ANY electricity if yobama has his way with raping America and destroying the world economy.
mahammadabba 2 years ago
@TehMG - Your argument falls down on several points both trivial/pedantic and substantive.
1. You fail to appreciate the spare capacity of the existing power plants which produce every single second as much power as they can. Only at peak time is that not almost all wasted. Using that excess power to produce Hydrogen should be welcomed by the power companies as 'money for old rope'.
calorus 1 year ago
@TehMG
2. Hydrogen may be created from any source, and variation in car usage may well remove people from the marketplace altogether allowing them to become self-sufficient, assuming they have high enough sunlight intensity or low enough fuel demands.
3. (The Pedantic point) One cannot power a car on HHO... HHO is H2O is ice/water/steam and is the OUTPUT of the system, not the input.
calorus 1 year ago
wildbull, where is this hydrogen going to come from? It takes a hell of a lot of energy to separate water. It is more efficient to use batteries and electric motors. I would love to see you driving around on hydrogen.
mahammadabba 2 years ago
All I asked for was some confirmation and the personal attacks started. No big surprise from the hho's.
Later, noonewithabrain.
mahammadabba 2 years ago
WOW, look at all that gas bubbling out of that tube.... maybe after 5 or 6 days it might get a car about 100 feet?
bwahahhahhahhahaaaa
I can fart more gas than that on a good day.
I see there are very intelligent people giving convincing statistics AGAINST HHO.
Save the world, shoot an HHO scammer.
mahammadabba 2 years ago
just go fuck yourself you idiot. i think you should direct your farts through a tube which you'll stick in your mouth, maybe you'll have some shit coming as a bonus through the tube. just fuck off, why the fuck do you bother posting shit in here? the guy has something to show and he showed.why the fuck you post here your shit?go to your oil company and tell them you convinced 10 hho'ers today that they are wrong and they'll promote you to a higher rank.go drink your beer and fart all the way.
nooneimportant992 2 years ago
I just fucked myself, it felt soooo good.
Now what?
I saved 10 people from losing money that they could be spending on vacations, a flat screen tv or paying off credit cards.
You are truly 'no one important'.
Later, loser.
mahammadabba 2 years ago
well, if you just did that you are gay and also stupid. it looks like you want to be a second jesus, you want to save people. I guess it's a war for you wit the hho'ers :)). you can continue to fuck yourself, I'll tell the porn televisions that you work for free and you are gay, maybe you'll also save 20 people there with your enthusiasm for this job ;)
nooneimportant992 2 years ago
Not gay unless it's done to someone of the same sex.
Could you post positive and confirmed stats from successfull hho's? No? I didn't think so. It's all about getting 'investors' for that breakthrough 'soon', right?
I'm sure you are 'big' in the gay porn industry and know a lot of people there.
mahammadabba 2 years ago
Mega Joules per liter.
Gasoline 34.2
Gaseous Hydrogen at room temperature 0.01079
HHO, two parts H one part O so divide 0.01079 by 3 x 2 = energy density 0.00719 Mega Joules per liter at room temp.
Raise temp to typical HHO cell temp 185 F (60 amps input) gas expands 21.76 percent.
0.00719 divided by 121.76 x 100 energy density now 0.00590 Mega Joules per liter.
34.2 Mega Joules divided by 0.00590, ratio of 5,796.6 to one. One gallon of gasoline = 5,796.6 gallons of HHO.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
I dont think you understand the concept though. Its water.....its nearly free. We get anywhere and everywhere. The ocean is full of it...its a cycle. Gas isnt dude.
teamhex 2 years ago
holy fuck. YOU don't understand. Water is nothing... it's burnt up hydrogen. It's like the ashes in a campfire... you have to PUT energy into it to make hydrogen, RIGHT? So who gives a flying fuck about the water itself. Yes, the "ashes" are everywhere... they make up the ocean. It's finding an energy SOURCE to turn that water INTO hydrogen and oxygen that's the problem. Why don't you people get that???
Am I the one that is crazy? I feel like I'm in a nut house.
Philldapill85 2 years ago
No sir, your not crazy. My thought is to figure out a clean way to create hydrogen and oxygen from H2O. If we can figure out an efficient and integrated way to create the necessary hydrogen, then I see no problem at all with this. A few ideas are solar power for hydrolosis or safe nuclear power to do it. But the question is for me is is it necessary to do hydrogen fuel cells since we would already have to create electricity to make it? I dunno, seems almost round-about. Any thoughts?
jholman88 2 years ago
Let me get this straight - using H2 and O2 for powering a fuel cell, which is very efficient is redundant, but using H2 and O2 for an internal combustion engine(NOT efficient, ~30%) is not redundant?
H2 should not be an end all in itself, but possibly the MEANS to accomplishing clean fuels. BTW a fuel is NOT an energy source. It is only an energy carrier, like a battery. You may think a battery is a source, but in reality, it took energy from a source to make it. Just like H2.
Philldapill85 2 years ago
jholman, it has been thought of and dismissed. Hydrogen is a very small molecule and hard to contain. It is very explosive. It is also corrosive. Solar is VERY EXPENSIVE and nuclear power is going on the grid so we can use less coal.
Why take (x) joules of power, convert that energy to less joules, transport it using more energy and more losses....?
mahammadabba 2 years ago
@EnergySupply2008 I think your calculations are wrong, you light 5 thousand gallons of H2 02 gas up; you get something called the Hindenburg!
lovenamese 1 year ago
@lovenamese - If you watch this video -
watch?v=zy1GdP4GYkM
You will that the US Department of Energy says the BTU content of a cubic foot of hydrogen is 270 BTU and gasoline 836,000 BTU. H2 O2 is only 2/3 hydrogen, so only 180 BTU. The US Department of Energy figure is at 60F. At a more typical 120F more like 161 BTU. 836,000 divided by 161 means gasoline has 5193 times more energy.
EnergySupply2008 1 year ago
@EnergySupply2008
Thats interesting, thanks.
lovenamese 1 year ago
what about cars that run on cold fusion! I recently discovered a company called Energetics Technologies. They have a process called SuperWaveFusion, which could be a possible breakthrough in cold fusion. The use of SuperWaves in the loading stage creates reported levels of excess heat that have never been obtained before. I am trying to learn more about this process and would like to hear from others about what they think.
davidridder74 2 years ago
Could you update the group on how many breakthroughs SuperWaveFusion has made in the last 5 months, which was your last rant?
Do you realize that they are 99.9999% scammers????
mahammadabba 2 years ago
if you really want to learn how to run your car on water go to: thegas4free.blogspot,com
jedwhelchel 3 years ago
if only we would build nuclear fusion automobiles... of course that could turn your ordinary suburban man into a world class terrorist.
contentlocked99 3 years ago
Doesn't it suck balls, that there is so much we could make for ourselves, but do to the high % of human assholes in the world who want nothing more than to kill people, we are banned from resources that would make our ideas fly!
EgyptianKings6 2 years ago
razor is a fag
i win
blahdob 3 years ago
Just remember, HHO requires 3,500x the volume of gasoline for the same amount of energy. 2LPM would create the amount of energy contained in a gallon of gasoline in about 5 days. So at 1.1kw an hour for 4.8 days would cost you around 16 bucks for the equivalent of a gallon of gas~(at the US average of 12cents per kwh). 116+KWH! Not to mention unpressurized the container holding the HHO with the energy equivalent of 1 gallon of gas would be bigger than your car (at atmospheric pressure).
razorx71 3 years ago
If you use straight DC then your calculations might be correct. This is the same argument that they used to discredit Tesla, and there was only one reason to do that.
LastCynicStanding 3 years ago
You forget the maintenance and upkeep it takes to pressurize HHO. Look up the fuel miser for example. You have over a dollar per gallon in equivalent cost just to pressurize it into a transportable volume. Tesla wanted free energy and had the right way to express that energy. An electric motor is 95% efficient, HHO in an ICE is less than 15% efficient. HHO only distracts people from tesla's work, and the proven way to store, transport, and express energy into mechanical motion efficiently.
razorx71 3 years ago
So even if the HHO just showed up and you didn't take 200%+ more energy to create, then you have operating cost of compressors, and then using it in an ICE recovers very little of that energy. You are much better off using the electricity that you used to create the HHO with a chemical battery (80%+ efficient) and then using an electric motor (95%+ efficient) Which makes HHO as a fuel useless since it has negative effects as a gasoline catalyst..
razorx71 3 years ago