Why didn't you mention in this video that the Arad temple had two incense altars in it -- one thought to be for burning incense to Yahweh and the other to another god called Asheroth? I seem to recall a remarkably jealous God of the Old Testament who went out of His way to destroy priests of Baal or ordered the genocide of neighboring pagan tribes. I'd think Yahweh would be mightily pissed off with another god's incense altar sitting 4 feet from His. Also see Jeremiah.
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
The reason Alma and other books say that Jesus in the Father is because it is true and Joseph believed in the deity of Jesus because that was how he was raised. But when he decided to change that teaching he did not change it in all the books. Another reason to realize it as the lie that it is.
@manderbos You are a fool. You have no credibility, and you are a liar and a charlatan. Joseph Smith NEVER denied his teachings, and was killed for it. Just like prophets of Old. I testify that he was a true prophet of God.
@LDS4Life71 I did not say anything about denial, but apparently you are in denial of the truth. I could call you names too if you like. But the Bible says to call no man a fool. Your right, I have no credibility, which is why I need a Savior. Jesus is my righteousness and I am credible to Him. His opinion is all that matters.
You called me a liar but I don't lie. You need to do a little digging into your own churches recorded documents.
@LDS4Life71 What denial of truth? That God is 1 and NOT, 3 gods with the same purpose? That He paid for our sins on the cross & NOT in the garden? That we must be born again and regenerated, taking on Christ's righteousness, instead of thinking I can make myself better with the help of a religion? That I believe what the Bible says over some inferior piece of fiction, BOM? That God is eternal, Alpha & Omega, who created all things from nothing, instead of your exalted man god? That truth?
@LDS4Life71 Careful your true colors are showing. Most LDS I know are nice as pie as long as you agree with them. But scratch the surface and their fangs come out, name calling & pure hate.
I don't hate LDS, just the doctrines. If you read the Bible and then read Doctrine &Covenants, it is easy to see why Christian's cannot accept it. Either the Bible is true and Mormonism false or the other way around, they do not agree with each other. The Holy Spirit would not contradict himself.
@manderbos You are not born again, and your faith is in vain. You have not entered the straight gate according to Matt 7, repent and accept Christ and HIS true church
@LDS4Life71 The Bible says nothing about accepting a church. It is about accepting Jesus, repenting and being filled with the Holy Spirit. Obeying him(Holy Spirit which is God's spirit) as he leads, not obeying a religion, especially a false religion.
Matt. 7; also says to not judge others, that we will know each other by our fruit. So far, you have called me a moron, fool, bastard son of Satan & that I am not born again & that my faith is in vain. Have I judged you or called you names?
@LDS4Life71 I judge Mormon doctrines because they are an insult to who God is and who Joseph claims that he is. Two different God's, to completely different Jesus and Holy Spirit's. We can't both be right and since Mormonism can only be proven by Mormon writings and not the Bible, I am going to stick with Scripture.
@manderbos You can't accept the entire bible, but it appears once again accept only the verses that conform to your beliefs. The bible predicts the coming of the BoM.
@LDS4Life71 Rash assumptions, what did I say that you could possibly accuse me of deleting parts of the Bible? Isn't that what Mormonism has done? Like your doctrine that claims pastors should not receive money when Paul said very clearly that they should. Or in Galatians where Paul warns against those who would bring a different gospel than the one he preaches. He is furious at those who try to replace Christ's grace with following laws, and ordinances. Sound familiar, it should.
@LDS4Life71 The gospel is complete, no need to add to it. The gospel message is as Paul said. Christ came and died to save us. But we have to accept Him first and choose to follow Him, take up our cross, meaning to die daily to ourselves and do as he leads us by the Spirit. He is our High Priest, our mediator, we no longer need anyone but Him. We can come boldly before the throne of God ourselves, no need for any man, nor laws or ordinances to do the work that only Jesus could do.
@LDS4Life71 What Mormonism does is twist the truth of the Bible and then it tells you that you have to do everything according to their laws and ordinances or you can't have your temple recommend. It is not freedom to seek God's face for yourself but it puts you back under the law. Read in Galatians at how angry Paul got when they were trying to replace Christ's free gift of grace, to going back under the law. Then explain how Mormonism is truth restored when what it teaches is the opposite.
@manderbos Yes. Gal 1-6. 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
The Bible we have today is a piece by piece remnant of earlier records and sticks. It's a miracle that it survived what it has. Translated from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to Germanic back to Latin then to English all w/out the priest hood power of seership and revelation. What we have today are pieces of 4 diff christian sects. See Bart Ehrman misquoting Jesus
@Sephuskal The gospel that Paul was referring to was not the written word but the message of Jesus death and resurrection, our salvation. But we have to choose Jesus' free gift. By His grace only are we redeemed, not by trying to be good enough or doing good works or following the law or joining a church. You don't need to follow Mormonism to get into heaven, that is a lie from the devil. How dare LDS tell people they have to follow rules and regulations to achieve what only Jesus can.
@manderbos The only demonic forces regarding prayer,is that an evil spirit teaches a man not to pray.If I pray to God, he will answer me and has. What have I to do with Gods methods of communication with his servants? I believe in the Rod of Aaron, the arc, the burning bush, the tabernacle of Moses & the Liahona. So I could believe a Rock in the hat is plausible. As for the free gift, Not so sure free is operative anywhere in the scriptures, But the gift requires our obedience & righteousness
@manderbos Rom 6:3-4 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6;12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 seals the coffin shut
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
@Sephuskal I totally agree, if you live in the spirit you will not follow the flesh.
Gal. 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 16 Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
@Sephuskal I never said you can continue practicing sin and wipe your feet on God's grace. But to those who choose to follow Christ, he forgives their sin and they have eternal life. Can they lose their salvation? Yes, if they so choose. But you cannot earn salvation, just as you cannot 'earn' a gift. It is either a gift or it is not. It is either by his grace or it is by law, it can't be both unto salvation. Having 'faith' is not a 'work'. Works are just evidence that he is alive in us.
@Sephuskal If someone comes along and tells you that you 'have to' follow their rules to be saved, then you just put yourself back under the law. Only one thing is needed to be born again, the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. We fulfill all the law by loving the Lord with all our hearts and loving others.
The criminal on the cross next to Jesus only asked that He remember him in his paradise. Jesus saved his soul, because the man saw his own sinfulness and wanted help, that's it.
@Sephuskal Well that's just embarrassing, sons of thunder? really and being persecuted too, when all we were doing was debating some doctrinal issues. Mormons have this persecution complex, even though there are millions of martyred Christians and the numbers keep growing. Someone challenging you about your doctrines is not persecution, sorry but you have no idea what real persecution is, if that's what you think.
@manderbos The apostles must have had the same persecution complex, right up until the point they were all Martyred for their beliefs. Like Cephus, Simon Peter, Stephen. How I admire those "Sons of Thunder" who wouldnt deny Christ. Have you ever belonged to a group that a Govenor made it legal to Murder you? Like in MO. Even here on youtube, have you ever received death threats because of what you believe may or may not happen when we die? I suppose LDS do have a complex. You'll never kno tho.
@Sephuskal Like I said, MILLIONS of CHRISTIANS have been martyred, tortured and abused. They hold a special honor in heaven for it too along with all the Apostles, only John of Revelations was not kill.
My point to you was, that you think having to defend your dogma is persecution, hogwash. How many Mormons have been killed compared to Christians, it doesn't come close, that is why I call it a complex. I point out doctrinal differences and you start hollering, persecution!!
@manderbos The difference is, the rest of the world all diverge on theology, but are fine calling each other Christian, when many times they act the contrary. But a Mormon chimes in and praises Jesus, he/she is ostracized and called a cult member or satan. They publicly stick up for Christ and get railed and hated for Prop 8. Where's the Christian Backing? The Country could have had Romney as representaitive over Obama, but why not? He's Mormon. Every where I look Christians Persecute LDS
@Sephuskal Wow by what you just wrote here, I realize that your delusion goes way beyond Mormon doctrine. I'm sorry, I can't continue talking with you. It is really sad how you view your reality. I wish I could share the deeper things of Christ with you but you just wouldn't see beyond your mindset. Stop calling yourselves Christian and everyone will leave you alone. Why not try Smithians since you believe Joseph has to approve your entrance into heaven.
PLEASE!! I BEG U!! Don't stop talking and insulting me or my Culture! Please keep saying things that put my religion and people down so you look all high n mighty & yer shit dont stink!! PLEASE!! lol
What ever DUDEz. Share the deeper things of Christ with this delusional brainwashed cult member. U know me so well
Here's the way it is. If you were really a Christian, you'd seek the glory of God & feeding his sheep. But instead you are an Anti CHRIST. U are against him. U love U. no 1 else!
@manderbos This is how I get around attackers that Hate and pick fights with good God fearing People like Latterday Saints.
luke 6 :22 22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall bseparate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and dcast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. 23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
@Sephuskal Mormonism's fruit is pride. I have never met or talked to an LDS on YouTube, who was not full of themselves and full of arrogant pride. You've got a religious system and doctrine that caters to the flesh. Oh, you can attain to exaltation, and you are the only true church, only we have special revelation and ceremonies, blah blah. Breeds pride which God hates.
Only Jesus in the way, he is that narrow path, he is the truth die to your flesh and follow Jesus. Let him be exalted
"The BOM came from Joseph's face stuck in a hat reading a seer stone which is occultic, by the way"
How very Missionary Minded to Call LDS Cult members. How filled with the spirit you must be to choose words that insite Contention, dishonor & hinder peace. How many do you convert to your church using such brotherly love tactics.
You know what pride is? Pride is not Going to church & the temple, & helping your Brothers and sisters through service. It's attacking cuz your so much better
@manderbos You want to criticize me and every other LDS member for having a "Mote" in their eye. And you have a "Beam" So large you can't see the reality through the timber.
"Mormonism's fruit is pride. I have never met or talked to an LDS on YouTube, who was not full of themselves and full of arrogant pride."
This was the first impression I had, (and I'm sure many others) had of you.
If there ever was an age of Hypocrites, you needn't look further than those who say as YOU do on youtube.
@LDS4Life71 I parrot no more than you parrot the same old Mormon lingo. I was reading about how Nephi went out to hunt with his "steel bow" and arrows and how it broke and he was upset because everyone was mad at him and they had no food. It made me laugh because it was so absurd to think about a steel bow, first of all, and then it breaking, so funny. First they would have to mine ore and then heat it insanely hot adding carbon and fashioning it into a, get this, bow and arrows, lol.
@LDS4Life71 I mean come on, surely you know a piece of fiction when you hear it. So then when they come out of their tents they find a metal ball, a compass I think. Just suddenly appears & they follow it's directions. Meanwhile, he fashions a bow and arrow out of wood and this compass thing leads them and he then hunts so they are no longer hungry. I might read more because this stuff is so ridiculously funny.
They should make this stuff into a movie so you can see how gullible you are.
@LDS4Life71 Come on now, your smarter than that. If there were 2 million people killed in a huge steel sword battle, don't you think at least one might still exist? If Solomon's temple was rebuilt how and where? Not one stone, really? This would have been a hugely advanced civilization and yet not one piece of evidence, only mounds that Mormons so desperately try to claim. The book is bogus and M. doctrines are blasphemous, what more do you need to shake yourselves enough to research.
@LDS4Life71 Those close to Jo said he was an ego maniac, who loved violence. He bragged about beating up men and showing off how strong he was, even blinding a man once. His family said he told stories and one was just like the nephite, laminite saga. How about the moon folks who dress like Quakers? See a pattern?
@manderbos None of which were verifyable. His nephew was a liar. How about you check your sources, because their integrity is shot all to hell, just like your comments. Those that knew Joseph Smith said "Joseph was Christlike, kind, honest, generous, and wonderful."
@LDS4Life71 I don't know about any nephew, but many around him had a different take than what u have been presented with. It is in your own church history.
Have u ever notice how when 'anyone' has a different take on something than what you want to hear, you always say what all Mormons say, "They are not credible, they have no integrity, or they were angry or charlatans." I noticed your did not address his blinding a man or how about his drinking and smoking or marrying in secret from Emma.
@manderbos I absolutely have commented on all these things. I didn't see you ever even mentioning about drinking and smoking. It doesn't change what the Prophet was. I can bring you several quotes from people that KNEW Joseph PERSONALLY and they only had good things to say. And Joseph Smith had 10,000 people at his funeral and Joseph was allowed to visit the white house and counsel Pres. Andrew Jackson...
the list goes on and on.
Not a typical as you critic continue to bleat "con"
@LDS4Life71 You prove a point with you latest comment, no matter what is known about Joseph, it will make no difference to a blind follower who sets him up there with God himself. Of course that does not sound blasphemous to you because you believe God is just one among many gods and that he used to be a man. All of which the Bible discounts but you will keep on licking Joseph's shoes because you think he is one special dude.
Whats with this Manderbos swine hoont? he came in all strong and cocky, and you ask him a few questions and he folds like a lawn chair on his insults.
I repeat a few things HE says, and he calls me delusional!! LMAO. I'm delusional when I repeat his words lol okayyy
I think Manderbos is German. It translates as "Man, their the boss, because they own me in a debate and confound my attacks, & ownme out right."
@Sephuskal AND YOU WROTE; The rest of the world all diverge on theology, but are fine calling each other Christian, when many times they act the contrary. But a Mormon chimes in and praises Jesus, he/she is ostracized and called a cult member or satan. They publicly stick up for Christ and get railed and hated for Prop 8. Where's the Christian Backing? The Country could have had Romney as representaitive over Obama, but why not? He's Mormon. Every where I look Christians Persecute LDS
@Sephuskal YOU WROTE Whats with this Manderbos swine hoont? he came in all strong and cocky, and you ask him a few questions and he folds like a lawn chair on his insults.
I repeat a few things HE says, and he calls me delusional!! LMAO. I'm delusional when I repeat his words lol okayyy
I think Manderbos is German. It translates as "Man, they're the boss, because they own me in a debate and confound my attacks, & own me out right."
@Sephuskal I wrote that you were delusional because you swallow Mormon theology and because of what you wrote above about how you see the world through Mormon eyes. You said all other religions diverge on theology but are fine calling each other Christians. Well, Christians agree on the scriptures main doctrines of the Bible and no Mormon does agree. Mormons are not ostracized for praises to Jesus, as you say. That, & the other things u wrote are false, that is why I called u delusional.
@manderbos What did I write that was false? I bet I can prove any of it in scripture, and point out several other christian denominations that disagree with each other on it.
You should rename your self womanderbos then, and don't call me your baby... only my 8 wives can do that lol.
@Sephuskal No, not tonight, I'm too tired and besides you know we won't agree on anything, so what's the point. Let's just end this cordially. Besides being funny, I'm sure you are probably a pretty nice person , so let's just move on and agree to disagree.
@manderbos Alright. I respect your wishes. I am here if you are ever wanting a good mature discussion. I will never be apart of another religious belief system. I don't expect to recruit people here on youtube to my point of view, But I will try better to not be such a rude jackass when I mistake you to be a jerk of a Man. lol! I was wrong to be short and curt to you, and would never talk to a woman with disrespect on purpose. I apologize & hope you will forgive me.
@Sephuskal Nothing to forgive, when people are passionate about what they believe and someone discredits it, anger usually ensues. It's like poking at someone over & over, and expecting to not get a response. I do love Mormons because many in my family are LDS. It just breaks my heart is all. Sorry I kept poking at your beliefs, arguing never really changes someone mind anyway. Thanks for the apology, that really surprised me, take care.
@Sephuskal I did not fold like a lawn chair because of your insults or your sidekick's insults and name calling. It's just at some point one has to move on when the people your debating with suddenly start crying persecution. If by try to help you see the truth is persecuting you, then I guess I am guilty.
I think manderbos sounds Spanish myself, I like it because everyone including you, always assume I am male, and that's funny. Chow baby.
@LDS4Life71 There are tons of good deeds done by all Christians but it is wasted on you. I'm sure Jesus would not meet with your approval methods. You go ahead an keep on sinking your money into your marbled halls and feeling so holy. One day you will be in for quite a shock, when you stand before the Almighty God who is who the Bible says he is and you stand there and try to explain that he is just exalted man who had a beginning like u. John 8:23: You are from below, I am from above....
@LDS4Life71 Whats with this Manderbos swine hoont? he came in all strong and cocky, and you ask him a few questions and he folds like a lawn chair on his insults.
I repeat a few things HE says, and he calls me delusional!! LMAO. I'm delusional when I repeat his words lol okayyy
I think Manderbos is German. It translates as "Man, they're the boss, because they own me in a debate and confound my attacks, & own me out right."
@LDS4Life71 Whats with this Manderbos swine hoont? he came in all strong and cocky, and you ask him a few questions and he folds like a lawn chair on his insults.
I repeat a few things HE says, and he calls me delusional!! LMAO. I'm delusional when I repeat his words lol okayyy
I think Manderbos is German. It translates as "Man, they're the boss, because they own me in a debate and confound my attacks, & own me out right."
@LDS4Life71 God did not put anyone back under the law, that was Joseph and his angel of light(Demon). The law is fulfilled by "Jesus", you know, that guy that you use in your church title and then set aside and sing about being a Mormon and hye to Kolob and praising Joseph Smith who thinks he accomplished more that Jesus. That "someone" who is God, not a god? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father? Every knee shall bow, that 'someone"? No, he did not authorize Smithians to reveal anything.
@manderbos I don't need to follow anyones rules but Gods. Thats what the LDS sacrament and temple is about. To keep him near. All men have works, and fruit regardless. If your works are w/out faith you justify only yourself. But faith w/out works is also dead.
Keep the commandments,abide in Gods love.
Contention is works of the devil cease to contend.
John 15: 10 (1 Jn. 2: 5) keep my commandments . . . abide in my love.
Rom. 2: 8 them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth.
James 2 :14 -17 It is a combination of faith Grace & works. Not one of the three alone by itself.
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, &have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, &destitute of daily food,
16 & one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed & filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
@manderbos 21-23 wraps up the conclusion on grace comes through our faith and our works of righteousness 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
If your own Mormon paleontologist all agree that there are no artifacts at all to prove the stories in the BOM, then why do you trust your feelings. The Bible can be proven on all levels, tons of evidence and it is thousands of years old. Yet something a 14 year old kid comes up with, that cannot be proven you swallow wholly based on a burning. But we do know what a cult is, yet you refuse to look at that. Because the thinking has been done for you. Your not allowed to question it.
The Bible can be proved on ALL levels? O.K. PROVE *physically* with the artifacts, that Jesus actually rode the donkey into Jerusalem in a triumphal procession. Good luck with that sill claim you have made, you are seriously going to need it.
@TheBackyardProfessor Must have struck a nerve for you to have a come back like that. I can't prove what I had for dinner last week. So your point is? Your point is quite remarkable, it proves what I always say about Mormons, they do not believe the Bible as truth, only the parts Joseph chose.
However, there is proof that what Joseph wrote is false, even according to the Bible as well as scientific proof. For example, the Egyptian Papyrus, the LDS are good at making excuses for JS.
@TheBackyardProfessor I have a question for you. How is it, that when JS translated the golden tablets from an ancient people, that they wrote in King James Version? And explain to me how, using a seer stone in a hat is translating anything. That is like an archeologist translating cuneiform, by using an Ouija board. Some LDS do not even know JS used his hat thing to dictate to a writer. Seems the tablets were obsolete to the whole process. He was a storyteller by all who knew him.
@TheBackyardProfessor There are those who have broken down quite well the authenticity of scripture. I do not claim to be that scholarly. If you need evidence of the Bibles validity it is out there on the internet. There are millions of pieces of evidence as well as land and city's that still bare the same names, as well as civilizations past found buried exactly where the Bible says.
What evidence do you have for the BOM. There should be at least one absolute piece of evidence.
@manderbos Find the proof Jesus even existed. he never wrote any of his own teachings, (at least the ones that we have.)
or are you an anti Christ?
Then give me proof of the Big bang theory. Proof of evolution with the missing link. Where's proof of any animal evolving in 7000 yrs of recorded history?
@Sephuskal Not sure what your point is here. You want proof that Jesus existed then you want proof of theories and evolution and then you ask if I am anti-Christ.
Your questions are confusing. I am not Anti Christ. I do not believe in evolution and no one knows if the big bang theory is correct. What scientists have found is that things started quite instantly which supports God as creator.
@manderbos Actually God is orderly and I don't see the big bang as orderly, no matter the speed of it happening. But ,y point is that everything down here is a matter of faith.
Whether you're a Christian or agnostic or atheist or anything else, Physical proof of anything is a rarity and a treasure, but is not nearly as convincing as what the gifts of the Holy Ghost offer us.
Christ never once demanded proof to believe on him did he?
Our knowledge of truth is dependent on the Holy Ghost
@manderbos God knew his word would be corrupted by men, his word was to last forever. A marvelous work and wonder was wrought fourth. The Book of Mormon. The dead sea scrolls also testify of Christ.Not your typical Jews in Qumran. Do we discount them? what of the Apocrypha no longer published in Bibles? what of all the other scripture in the vaults of the vatican?
The great Apostasy was the plague, the restoration of Jesus church , the LDS church, is the cure.
@Sephuskal The BOM came from Joseph's face stuck in a hat reading a seer stone which is occultic, by the way. Then he copies the Bible into it as well. BOM is not inspired by the Holy Spirit, but by the father of lies. So if one pray according to that book, one opens themselves up to the demonic forces that authored it.
Born again by grace alone, not by grace and works(ordinance, endowments mason rutuals etc.) Grace alone, not by works. Works come out of obedience because we love Him and it stores up treasures in Heaven, but does not save you. Mormons think so little of Jesus blood, that they actually think they can make themselves perfect by works and Jesus will take up the slack, what a joke. Why are the Mormon temples decorated with occult symbols yet no cross?
Still no artifacts, supposedly thousands died here in battle with swords and other metal gear no less, and yet nothing found? Solomons temple rebuilt, where? Golden tablets, where? Horses when there were no horses in America yet. Elephants? Bees? Also wrong. BOM fairytales. BOM has no life in its words. Plagerism as well. Thousands of changes even though JS said it was the most perfect book. No one becomes a Mormon who 'truly' knows the Bible first. Paul warned of such falsehoods.
did someone tell u about smith's life and death,,has anyone ever ?? a pagan symbol had been found in his pocket upon his dying breaths , this symbolizes witchcraft, as the holder must call upon demonic dieties for financial gains when using the jupiter token symbolic coin, brother hiram did wear a lucky charm 24/7,,,, what do the undergarments represent,,, ask any elder about the underwear men and women are required to wear all the time,,it is suppose to ward off bad spirits,,
Critics waste so much effort in fatuous censure and placing judgment that they miss the mark and cause others to look beyond the mark instead of setting our eyes fixed on Jesus Christ.
There is so much amazing and brilliant things yet to gain in this life to prepare for the next life. Everyone has the influence to do good, and it is the choice within their own minds to make that choice. They are aware of that and Jesus Christ knows that.
Great video. Did you read my comment about the thought of Creation where water seems to always been in existence where G_d hovers?
That as water is the source of all life plant and animal as well of course as humans. Which when one thinks about the ordinance of Baptism and Sacrament becomes more understood.
I did, but I haven't taken the time yet to discuss it with ya. Sorry! Just trying to get this series of BofM videos off the ground and on YouTube. THANKS for your comments and ideas.
Hi Mr. Shirts,
Why didn't you mention in this video that the Arad temple had two incense altars in it -- one thought to be for burning incense to Yahweh and the other to another god called Asheroth? I seem to recall a remarkably jealous God of the Old Testament who went out of His way to destroy priests of Baal or ordered the genocide of neighboring pagan tribes. I'd think Yahweh would be mightily pissed off with another god's incense altar sitting 4 feet from His. Also see Jeremiah.
beeblequix 11 months ago
Cool video dude keep them coming!
Dafrogie 1 year ago
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
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LDS4Life71 1 year ago
The reason Alma and other books say that Jesus in the Father is because it is true and Joseph believed in the deity of Jesus because that was how he was raised. But when he decided to change that teaching he did not change it in all the books. Another reason to realize it as the lie that it is.
manderbos 1 year ago 2
@manderbos You are a fool. You have no credibility, and you are a liar and a charlatan. Joseph Smith NEVER denied his teachings, and was killed for it. Just like prophets of Old. I testify that he was a true prophet of God.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 I did not say anything about denial, but apparently you are in denial of the truth. I could call you names too if you like. But the Bible says to call no man a fool. Your right, I have no credibility, which is why I need a Savior. Jesus is my righteousness and I am credible to Him. His opinion is all that matters.
You called me a liar but I don't lie. You need to do a little digging into your own churches recorded documents.
manderbos 1 year ago 2
@manderbos no it is You that is in denial of the truth, and completly moronic.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 What denial of truth? That God is 1 and NOT, 3 gods with the same purpose? That He paid for our sins on the cross & NOT in the garden? That we must be born again and regenerated, taking on Christ's righteousness, instead of thinking I can make myself better with the help of a religion? That I believe what the Bible says over some inferior piece of fiction, BOM? That God is eternal, Alpha & Omega, who created all things from nothing, instead of your exalted man god? That truth?
manderbos 1 year ago 2
@LDS4Life71 If being a moron means I am not a Mormon-masionic, then I am a moron, Praise God!!!!
manderbos 1 year ago 2
@manderbos No! Just another bastard son of Satan. U praise HIM all you want.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Careful your true colors are showing. Most LDS I know are nice as pie as long as you agree with them. But scratch the surface and their fangs come out, name calling & pure hate.
I don't hate LDS, just the doctrines. If you read the Bible and then read Doctrine &Covenants, it is easy to see why Christian's cannot accept it. Either the Bible is true and Mormonism false or the other way around, they do not agree with each other. The Holy Spirit would not contradict himself.
manderbos 1 year ago 2
@manderbos And the D&C doesn't contradict with it. YOU are misinterpretting scripture. I don't hate evangelicals. I just hate their hypocrisy.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 You called me a bastard son of Satan, but now you say, oh I don't hate you. I'd hate to see what your hate sounds like. Hypocrisy indeed.
manderbos 1 year ago 3
@manderbos You are not born again, and your faith is in vain. You have not entered the straight gate according to Matt 7, repent and accept Christ and HIS true church
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 The Bible says nothing about accepting a church. It is about accepting Jesus, repenting and being filled with the Holy Spirit. Obeying him(Holy Spirit which is God's spirit) as he leads, not obeying a religion, especially a false religion.
Matt. 7; also says to not judge others, that we will know each other by our fruit. So far, you have called me a moron, fool, bastard son of Satan & that I am not born again & that my faith is in vain. Have I judged you or called you names?
manderbos 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 I judge Mormon doctrines because they are an insult to who God is and who Joseph claims that he is. Two different God's, to completely different Jesus and Holy Spirit's. We can't both be right and since Mormonism can only be proven by Mormon writings and not the Bible, I am going to stick with Scripture.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos You can't accept the entire bible, but it appears once again accept only the verses that conform to your beliefs. The bible predicts the coming of the BoM.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Rash assumptions, what did I say that you could possibly accuse me of deleting parts of the Bible? Isn't that what Mormonism has done? Like your doctrine that claims pastors should not receive money when Paul said very clearly that they should. Or in Galatians where Paul warns against those who would bring a different gospel than the one he preaches. He is furious at those who try to replace Christ's grace with following laws, and ordinances. Sound familiar, it should.
manderbos 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 The gospel is complete, no need to add to it. The gospel message is as Paul said. Christ came and died to save us. But we have to accept Him first and choose to follow Him, take up our cross, meaning to die daily to ourselves and do as he leads us by the Spirit. He is our High Priest, our mediator, we no longer need anyone but Him. We can come boldly before the throne of God ourselves, no need for any man, nor laws or ordinances to do the work that only Jesus could do.
manderbos 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 What Mormonism does is twist the truth of the Bible and then it tells you that you have to do everything according to their laws and ordinances or you can't have your temple recommend. It is not freedom to seek God's face for yourself but it puts you back under the law. Read in Galatians at how angry Paul got when they were trying to replace Christ's free gift of grace, to going back under the law. Then explain how Mormonism is truth restored when what it teaches is the opposite.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos Yes. Gal 1-6. 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
The Bible we have today is a piece by piece remnant of earlier records and sticks. It's a miracle that it survived what it has. Translated from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to Germanic back to Latin then to English all w/out the priest hood power of seership and revelation. What we have today are pieces of 4 diff christian sects. See Bart Ehrman misquoting Jesus
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal The gospel that Paul was referring to was not the written word but the message of Jesus death and resurrection, our salvation. But we have to choose Jesus' free gift. By His grace only are we redeemed, not by trying to be good enough or doing good works or following the law or joining a church. You don't need to follow Mormonism to get into heaven, that is a lie from the devil. How dare LDS tell people they have to follow rules and regulations to achieve what only Jesus can.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos The only demonic forces regarding prayer,is that an evil spirit teaches a man not to pray.If I pray to God, he will answer me and has. What have I to do with Gods methods of communication with his servants? I believe in the Rod of Aaron, the arc, the burning bush, the tabernacle of Moses & the Liahona. So I could believe a Rock in the hat is plausible. As for the free gift, Not so sure free is operative anywhere in the scriptures, But the gift requires our obedience & righteousness
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@manderbos Rom 6:3-4 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6;12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Thats work faith and grace
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@manderbos Work faith and grace continued
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 seals the coffin shut
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Means dont think u can sin & be saved
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal I totally agree, if you live in the spirit you will not follow the flesh.
Gal. 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 16 Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
manderbos 1 year ago
@Sephuskal I never said you can continue practicing sin and wipe your feet on God's grace. But to those who choose to follow Christ, he forgives their sin and they have eternal life. Can they lose their salvation? Yes, if they so choose. But you cannot earn salvation, just as you cannot 'earn' a gift. It is either a gift or it is not. It is either by his grace or it is by law, it can't be both unto salvation. Having 'faith' is not a 'work'. Works are just evidence that he is alive in us.
manderbos 1 year ago
@Sephuskal If someone comes along and tells you that you 'have to' follow their rules to be saved, then you just put yourself back under the law. Only one thing is needed to be born again, the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. We fulfill all the law by loving the Lord with all our hearts and loving others.
The criminal on the cross next to Jesus only asked that He remember him in his paradise. Jesus saved his soul, because the man saw his own sinfulness and wanted help, that's it.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos No it's not "someone." That someone is GOD, via HIS chosen prophets.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Thou hast said.. Brother. Beat me to the punch!! lol
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal I never tire of telling these anti mormon parrots how wrong they are.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 I don't know about you, But with every persecution to defend, I feel I grow stronger.
I say "Bring it." My Testimony's Diamond Hard. Sons of Thunder, Head up, Shoulders back, stand faithful and ready
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal Well that's just embarrassing, sons of thunder? really and being persecuted too, when all we were doing was debating some doctrinal issues. Mormons have this persecution complex, even though there are millions of martyred Christians and the numbers keep growing. Someone challenging you about your doctrines is not persecution, sorry but you have no idea what real persecution is, if that's what you think.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos The apostles must have had the same persecution complex, right up until the point they were all Martyred for their beliefs. Like Cephus, Simon Peter, Stephen. How I admire those "Sons of Thunder" who wouldnt deny Christ. Have you ever belonged to a group that a Govenor made it legal to Murder you? Like in MO. Even here on youtube, have you ever received death threats because of what you believe may or may not happen when we die? I suppose LDS do have a complex. You'll never kno tho.
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal Like I said, MILLIONS of CHRISTIANS have been martyred, tortured and abused. They hold a special honor in heaven for it too along with all the Apostles, only John of Revelations was not kill.
My point to you was, that you think having to defend your dogma is persecution, hogwash. How many Mormons have been killed compared to Christians, it doesn't come close, that is why I call it a complex. I point out doctrinal differences and you start hollering, persecution!!
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos The difference is, the rest of the world all diverge on theology, but are fine calling each other Christian, when many times they act the contrary. But a Mormon chimes in and praises Jesus, he/she is ostracized and called a cult member or satan. They publicly stick up for Christ and get railed and hated for Prop 8. Where's the Christian Backing? The Country could have had Romney as representaitive over Obama, but why not? He's Mormon. Every where I look Christians Persecute LDS
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal Wow by what you just wrote here, I realize that your delusion goes way beyond Mormon doctrine. I'm sorry, I can't continue talking with you. It is really sad how you view your reality. I wish I could share the deeper things of Christ with you but you just wouldn't see beyond your mindset. Stop calling yourselves Christian and everyone will leave you alone. Why not try Smithians since you believe Joseph has to approve your entrance into heaven.
manderbos 1 year ago
PLEASE!! I BEG U!! Don't stop talking and insulting me or my Culture! Please keep saying things that put my religion and people down so you look all high n mighty & yer shit dont stink!! PLEASE!! lol
What ever DUDEz. Share the deeper things of Christ with this delusional brainwashed cult member. U know me so well
Here's the way it is. If you were really a Christian, you'd seek the glory of God & feeding his sheep. But instead you are an Anti CHRIST. U are against him. U love U. no 1 else!
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@manderbos This is how I get around attackers that Hate and pick fights with good God fearing People like Latterday Saints.
luke 6 :22 22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall bseparate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and dcast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. 23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
You're reward will suck
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal Mormonism's fruit is pride. I have never met or talked to an LDS on YouTube, who was not full of themselves and full of arrogant pride. You've got a religious system and doctrine that caters to the flesh. Oh, you can attain to exaltation, and you are the only true church, only we have special revelation and ceremonies, blah blah. Breeds pride which God hates.
Only Jesus in the way, he is that narrow path, he is the truth die to your flesh and follow Jesus. Let him be exalted
manderbos 1 year ago
"The BOM came from Joseph's face stuck in a hat reading a seer stone which is occultic, by the way"
How very Missionary Minded to Call LDS Cult members. How filled with the spirit you must be to choose words that insite Contention, dishonor & hinder peace. How many do you convert to your church using such brotherly love tactics.
You know what pride is? Pride is not Going to church & the temple, & helping your Brothers and sisters through service. It's attacking cuz your so much better
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@manderbos You want to criticize me and every other LDS member for having a "Mote" in their eye. And you have a "Beam" So large you can't see the reality through the timber.
"Mormonism's fruit is pride. I have never met or talked to an LDS on YouTube, who was not full of themselves and full of arrogant pride."
This was the first impression I had, (and I'm sure many others) had of you.
If there ever was an age of Hypocrites, you needn't look further than those who say as YOU do on youtube.
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 I parrot no more than you parrot the same old Mormon lingo. I was reading about how Nephi went out to hunt with his "steel bow" and arrows and how it broke and he was upset because everyone was mad at him and they had no food. It made me laugh because it was so absurd to think about a steel bow, first of all, and then it breaking, so funny. First they would have to mine ore and then heat it insanely hot adding carbon and fashioning it into a, get this, bow and arrows, lol.
manderbos 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 I mean come on, surely you know a piece of fiction when you hear it. So then when they come out of their tents they find a metal ball, a compass I think. Just suddenly appears & they follow it's directions. Meanwhile, he fashions a bow and arrow out of wood and this compass thing leads them and he then hunts so they are no longer hungry. I might read more because this stuff is so ridiculously funny.
They should make this stuff into a movie so you can see how gullible you are.
manderbos 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Come on now, your smarter than that. If there were 2 million people killed in a huge steel sword battle, don't you think at least one might still exist? If Solomon's temple was rebuilt how and where? Not one stone, really? This would have been a hugely advanced civilization and yet not one piece of evidence, only mounds that Mormons so desperately try to claim. The book is bogus and M. doctrines are blasphemous, what more do you need to shake yourselves enough to research.
manderbos 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Those close to Jo said he was an ego maniac, who loved violence. He bragged about beating up men and showing off how strong he was, even blinding a man once. His family said he told stories and one was just like the nephite, laminite saga. How about the moon folks who dress like Quakers? See a pattern?
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos None of which were verifyable. His nephew was a liar. How about you check your sources, because their integrity is shot all to hell, just like your comments. Those that knew Joseph Smith said "Joseph was Christlike, kind, honest, generous, and wonderful."
See the pattern?
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 I don't know about any nephew, but many around him had a different take than what u have been presented with. It is in your own church history.
Have u ever notice how when 'anyone' has a different take on something than what you want to hear, you always say what all Mormons say, "They are not credible, they have no integrity, or they were angry or charlatans." I noticed your did not address his blinding a man or how about his drinking and smoking or marrying in secret from Emma.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos I absolutely have commented on all these things. I didn't see you ever even mentioning about drinking and smoking. It doesn't change what the Prophet was. I can bring you several quotes from people that KNEW Joseph PERSONALLY and they only had good things to say. And Joseph Smith had 10,000 people at his funeral and Joseph was allowed to visit the white house and counsel Pres. Andrew Jackson...
the list goes on and on.
Not a typical as you critic continue to bleat "con"
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 You prove a point with you latest comment, no matter what is known about Joseph, it will make no difference to a blind follower who sets him up there with God himself. Of course that does not sound blasphemous to you because you believe God is just one among many gods and that he used to be a man. All of which the Bible discounts but you will keep on licking Joseph's shoes because you think he is one special dude.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos Don't go away mad, just go away, hater.
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
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Whats with this Manderbos swine hoont? he came in all strong and cocky, and you ask him a few questions and he folds like a lawn chair on his insults.
I repeat a few things HE says, and he calls me delusional!! LMAO. I'm delusional when I repeat his words lol okayyy
I think Manderbos is German. It translates as "Man, their the boss, because they own me in a debate and confound my attacks, & ownme out right."
LDS4Life71.. Man, you are the Boss lol
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal AND YOU WROTE; The rest of the world all diverge on theology, but are fine calling each other Christian, when many times they act the contrary. But a Mormon chimes in and praises Jesus, he/she is ostracized and called a cult member or satan. They publicly stick up for Christ and get railed and hated for Prop 8. Where's the Christian Backing? The Country could have had Romney as representaitive over Obama, but why not? He's Mormon. Every where I look Christians Persecute LDS
manderbos 1 year ago
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@Sephuskal YOU WROTE Whats with this Manderbos swine hoont? he came in all strong and cocky, and you ask him a few questions and he folds like a lawn chair on his insults.
I repeat a few things HE says, and he calls me delusional!! LMAO. I'm delusional when I repeat his words lol okayyy
I think Manderbos is German. It translates as "Man, they're the boss, because they own me in a debate and confound my attacks, & own me out right."
LDS4Life71.. Man, you are the Boss lol
manderbos 1 year ago
@Sephuskal I wrote that you were delusional because you swallow Mormon theology and because of what you wrote above about how you see the world through Mormon eyes. You said all other religions diverge on theology but are fine calling each other Christians. Well, Christians agree on the scriptures main doctrines of the Bible and no Mormon does agree. Mormons are not ostracized for praises to Jesus, as you say. That, & the other things u wrote are false, that is why I called u delusional.
manderbos 1 year ago
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manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos What did I write that was false? I bet I can prove any of it in scripture, and point out several other christian denominations that disagree with each other on it.
You should rename your self womanderbos then, and don't call me your baby... only my 8 wives can do that lol.
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal womanderbos? nah doesn't sound quite right. 8 wives, now that was a funny come back. So you do have a sense of humor. Chow again.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos If you can't laugh at yourself, your bound to kill someone someday,..... (I always say) lol
C i a o
Sephuskal 1 year ago
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@Sephuskal No, not tonight, I'm too tired and besides you know we won't agree on anything, so what's the point. Let's just end this cordially. Besides being funny, I'm sure you are probably a pretty nice person , so let's just move on and agree to disagree.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos PS, you don't want to answer my challenge on what i said that was false?
Sephuskal 1 year ago
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manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos Alright. I respect your wishes. I am here if you are ever wanting a good mature discussion. I will never be apart of another religious belief system. I don't expect to recruit people here on youtube to my point of view, But I will try better to not be such a rude jackass when I mistake you to be a jerk of a Man. lol! I was wrong to be short and curt to you, and would never talk to a woman with disrespect on purpose. I apologize & hope you will forgive me.
Good night.
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal Nothing to forgive, when people are passionate about what they believe and someone discredits it, anger usually ensues. It's like poking at someone over & over, and expecting to not get a response. I do love Mormons because many in my family are LDS. It just breaks my heart is all. Sorry I kept poking at your beliefs, arguing never really changes someone mind anyway. Thanks for the apology, that really surprised me, take care.
manderbos 1 year ago
@Sephuskal I did not fold like a lawn chair because of your insults or your sidekick's insults and name calling. It's just at some point one has to move on when the people your debating with suddenly start crying persecution. If by try to help you see the truth is persecuting you, then I guess I am guilty.
I think manderbos sounds Spanish myself, I like it because everyone including you, always assume I am male, and that's funny. Chow baby.
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manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos Can u name anything great your church leader has even done? One that ever is worth mentioning at all?
I highly doubt it.
LDS / Mormons have done nothing but serve others. Hurricane Katrina victims can do nothing, but sing our praises unto God.
meanwhile you keep paying your pastors car payments...
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 There are tons of good deeds done by all Christians but it is wasted on you. I'm sure Jesus would not meet with your approval methods. You go ahead an keep on sinking your money into your marbled halls and feeling so holy. One day you will be in for quite a shock, when you stand before the Almighty God who is who the Bible says he is and you stand there and try to explain that he is just exalted man who had a beginning like u. John 8:23: You are from below, I am from above....
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos You are clueless.
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Sephuskal 1 year ago
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@LDS4Life71 Whats with this Manderbos swine hoont? he came in all strong and cocky, and you ask him a few questions and he folds like a lawn chair on his insults.
I repeat a few things HE says, and he calls me delusional!! LMAO. I'm delusional when I repeat his words lol okayyy
I think Manderbos is German. It translates as "Man, they're the boss, because they own me in a debate and confound my attacks, & own me out right."
LDS4Life71.. Man, you are the Boss lol
Sephuskal 1 year ago
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@LDS4Life71 Whats with this Manderbos swine hoont? he came in all strong and cocky, and you ask him a few questions and he folds like a lawn chair on his insults.
I repeat a few things HE says, and he calls me delusional!! LMAO. I'm delusional when I repeat his words lol okayyy
I think Manderbos is German. It translates as "Man, they're the boss, because they own me in a debate and confound my attacks, & own me out right."
LDS4Life71.. Man, you are the Boss lol
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 God did not put anyone back under the law, that was Joseph and his angel of light(Demon). The law is fulfilled by "Jesus", you know, that guy that you use in your church title and then set aside and sing about being a Mormon and hye to Kolob and praising Joseph Smith who thinks he accomplished more that Jesus. That "someone" who is God, not a god? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father? Every knee shall bow, that 'someone"? No, he did not authorize Smithians to reveal anything.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos I don't need to follow anyones rules but Gods. Thats what the LDS sacrament and temple is about. To keep him near. All men have works, and fruit regardless. If your works are w/out faith you justify only yourself. But faith w/out works is also dead.
Keep the commandments,abide in Gods love.
Contention is works of the devil cease to contend.
John 15: 10 (1 Jn. 2: 5) keep my commandments . . . abide in my love.
Rom. 2: 8 them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth.
Sephuskal 1 year ago
James 2 :14 -17 It is a combination of faith Grace & works. Not one of the three alone by itself.
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, &have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, &destitute of daily food,
16 & one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed & filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@manderbos 21-23 wraps up the conclusion on grace comes through our faith and our works of righteousness 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Sephuskal 1 year ago
If your own Mormon paleontologist all agree that there are no artifacts at all to prove the stories in the BOM, then why do you trust your feelings. The Bible can be proven on all levels, tons of evidence and it is thousands of years old. Yet something a 14 year old kid comes up with, that cannot be proven you swallow wholly based on a burning. But we do know what a cult is, yet you refuse to look at that. Because the thinking has been done for you. Your not allowed to question it.
manderbos 1 year ago 4
@manderbos
The Bible can be proved on ALL levels? O.K. PROVE *physically* with the artifacts, that Jesus actually rode the donkey into Jerusalem in a triumphal procession. Good luck with that sill claim you have made, you are seriously going to need it.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Must have struck a nerve for you to have a come back like that. I can't prove what I had for dinner last week. So your point is? Your point is quite remarkable, it proves what I always say about Mormons, they do not believe the Bible as truth, only the parts Joseph chose.
However, there is proof that what Joseph wrote is false, even according to the Bible as well as scientific proof. For example, the Egyptian Papyrus, the LDS are good at making excuses for JS.
manderbos 1 year ago 5
@TheBackyardProfessor I have a question for you. How is it, that when JS translated the golden tablets from an ancient people, that they wrote in King James Version? And explain to me how, using a seer stone in a hat is translating anything. That is like an archeologist translating cuneiform, by using an Ouija board. Some LDS do not even know JS used his hat thing to dictate to a writer. Seems the tablets were obsolete to the whole process. He was a storyteller by all who knew him.
manderbos 1 year ago 3
@TheBackyardProfessor There are those who have broken down quite well the authenticity of scripture. I do not claim to be that scholarly. If you need evidence of the Bibles validity it is out there on the internet. There are millions of pieces of evidence as well as land and city's that still bare the same names, as well as civilizations past found buried exactly where the Bible says.
What evidence do you have for the BOM. There should be at least one absolute piece of evidence.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos Find the proof Jesus even existed. he never wrote any of his own teachings, (at least the ones that we have.)
or are you an anti Christ?
Then give me proof of the Big bang theory. Proof of evolution with the missing link. Where's proof of any animal evolving in 7000 yrs of recorded history?
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal Not sure what your point is here. You want proof that Jesus existed then you want proof of theories and evolution and then you ask if I am anti-Christ.
Your questions are confusing. I am not Anti Christ. I do not believe in evolution and no one knows if the big bang theory is correct. What scientists have found is that things started quite instantly which supports God as creator.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos Actually God is orderly and I don't see the big bang as orderly, no matter the speed of it happening. But ,y point is that everything down here is a matter of faith.
Whether you're a Christian or agnostic or atheist or anything else, Physical proof of anything is a rarity and a treasure, but is not nearly as convincing as what the gifts of the Holy Ghost offer us.
Christ never once demanded proof to believe on him did he?
Our knowledge of truth is dependent on the Holy Ghost
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal The Holy Ghost and the Bible that was inspired by him.
manderbos 1 year ago
@manderbos God knew his word would be corrupted by men, his word was to last forever. A marvelous work and wonder was wrought fourth. The Book of Mormon. The dead sea scrolls also testify of Christ.Not your typical Jews in Qumran. Do we discount them? what of the Apocrypha no longer published in Bibles? what of all the other scripture in the vaults of the vatican?
The great Apostasy was the plague, the restoration of Jesus church , the LDS church, is the cure.
Sephuskal 1 year ago
@Sephuskal The BOM came from Joseph's face stuck in a hat reading a seer stone which is occultic, by the way. Then he copies the Bible into it as well. BOM is not inspired by the Holy Spirit, but by the father of lies. So if one pray according to that book, one opens themselves up to the demonic forces that authored it.
manderbos 1 year ago
Born again by grace alone, not by grace and works(ordinance, endowments mason rutuals etc.) Grace alone, not by works. Works come out of obedience because we love Him and it stores up treasures in Heaven, but does not save you. Mormons think so little of Jesus blood, that they actually think they can make themselves perfect by works and Jesus will take up the slack, what a joke. Why are the Mormon temples decorated with occult symbols yet no cross?
manderbos 1 year ago 2
Still no artifacts, supposedly thousands died here in battle with swords and other metal gear no less, and yet nothing found? Solomons temple rebuilt, where? Golden tablets, where? Horses when there were no horses in America yet. Elephants? Bees? Also wrong. BOM fairytales. BOM has no life in its words. Plagerism as well. Thousands of changes even though JS said it was the most perfect book. No one becomes a Mormon who 'truly' knows the Bible first. Paul warned of such falsehoods.
manderbos 1 year ago 3
did someone tell u about smith's life and death,,has anyone ever ?? a pagan symbol had been found in his pocket upon his dying breaths , this symbolizes witchcraft, as the holder must call upon demonic dieties for financial gains when using the jupiter token symbolic coin, brother hiram did wear a lucky charm 24/7,,,, what do the undergarments represent,,, ask any elder about the underwear men and women are required to wear all the time,,it is suppose to ward off bad spirits,,
tnfellow 2 years ago 3
Are you so totally outdated and clueless as you let on here?!
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
GOod job...keep up the work brother.
imtherealthing 3 years ago
Critics waste so much effort in fatuous censure and placing judgment that they miss the mark and cause others to look beyond the mark instead of setting our eyes fixed on Jesus Christ.
There is so much amazing and brilliant things yet to gain in this life to prepare for the next life. Everyone has the influence to do good, and it is the choice within their own minds to make that choice. They are aware of that and Jesus Christ knows that.
Shalom Kerry.
riversideharp 3 years ago
Great video. Did you read my comment about the thought of Creation where water seems to always been in existence where G_d hovers?
That as water is the source of all life plant and animal as well of course as humans. Which when one thinks about the ordinance of Baptism and Sacrament becomes more understood.
riversideharp 3 years ago
I did, but I haven't taken the time yet to discuss it with ya. Sorry! Just trying to get this series of BofM videos off the ground and on YouTube. THANKS for your comments and ideas.
TheBackyardProfessor 3 years ago