Let us not forget the day when Reagan laid off those works of PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization) for strike and put a three years ban on every employee related PATCO to find work anywhere. And made it a law if any union in the Federal government strike will serve Jail time
you know that this was about FREE unions right? The ability to be in the union without paying dues. You people that are chanting that he's talking about MOB rules unions are ignorant.
I don't think you know what "free union" means. It means a union that is free from government control, not free as in it doesn't cost anything to join.
Let me guess, you probably think "free press" means that you shouldn't have to pay for newspapers
@11111110 it true he dose not support nor did he care for the senior citizens, he cut off medicare and social security plus he did not give damn about the elderly people. Daycare center were also close seniors had to get job to survive when Reagan was president People call him the best president he was nothing, the only thing he was good at was ending communism with Russia
@11111110 It too bad he dodged the bullet he would be better dead when he was president. Its bull crap the his name is on UCLA medical center or the Memorial Center, or or that famous Library or that Solar Power Battleship
@CSUSBlikesOmfgcata To me Reagan is another Rick Perry he is not another Bush because even though Bush made mistakes he realized it and wanted to fix them. Ricky nor Reagan would have not done that nor would they ever care.
Free trade unions are voluntary unions which are fine. The problem is that government is willing to give up everything to public unions, as the money isn't theirs.
The ONLY way to bring jobs back to America is to lower the minimum wage to $2/hr.
This is the only way we can compete with China. Paul Ryan and my fellow republicans need to act on this now. Employers also should not have to carry the burdern of paying for health care either. Go get em Paul!
Sorry, read up on communism, we are 1 step away. If every worker were union, what would this country be? Union lobbyists buy government.
Capitalism..ie: being able to own your own buisness, is what makes this a free country....UNIONS STEAL JOBS, AND CONTRACTS FROM NON UNION WORKERS, AND SMALL BUISNESS. Where is the free trade?
@Riot4Peace. We are 1 step away from communism? lol Didn't read so stupid comment for a while now. In any case, have you ever heard of a term 'free social market'? I bet you haven't. Because judging from the comment above, you are as ignorant as an American can possibly be. And no, YOU READ UP ON COMMUNISM!
@Riot4Peace lol What are you talking about? Working class in the US was, is and will be a majority. Presently at least 62% of Americans taking orders, not giving them. Meanwhile, they are distracted and diverted from their best interest. Working class in the US is the worst represented. I would agree that the power of unions have been more politicized and territorial for the last few decades. But the only thing it means is the fact that we have to bring them back again!
@Riot4Peace. Oh yeah, I would be complete dullard if I would listen to American telling me what socialism and communism actually is. It is ridiculous! This geographical isolation from the rest of the developed world is not doing any good to the US. Obviously!
It's really difficult making out exactly what you're saying here. The culture of people who live in a communist country are more likely to be better I think. It really depends on the "dictator" (as the US would have you term them) Not really sure how they define themselves..President maybe? But, I think the difference is similar to what it means to be american, and the US government. We have no democracy here..and Mr. President is the "SPEAKER" for those in power.
@Riot4Peace I think I suspect what you are trying to say in here. Are you by communism actually implying fascism? Or you are implying communism as it exist in present 'communism' dictator ruled countries? Like China or Korea? Because when you say we are one step away from communism, you have to understand that communism is ideology and philosophy by itself that cannot be further from the its real manifestation from any country than ever (and especially China, Soviet Russia, and anywhere else).
@Riot4Peace In communism the country is not being led by dictators. It is being led by We the Working Class People. Communism countries as we know then distorted communism ideology into complete opposite. I guess this is where our misunderstanding comes from. In any case, I totally agree on "speaker" part. Sad reality. Especially visible right now.
@Riot4Peace I don't think we'll agree on American ideal though :) Average salary of union worker (represented one) is around $200 more as of 2010 than the non unionized one. Also, as of now, 70 million Americans would like to be represented by unions and have no chance of doing so. If not for organized labor, we would still be in dark ages and use child labor. 'Free Market" (I prefer rotten Capitalism, lol) is demanding to be very very competitive (thus, any means are good if it brings profit).
We must stop the union invasion on freedom...Where's the american dream when unions force "big money" to hire union, STEALING JOBS AND BUISNESS from small buisness entities and non union workers.
Communism = An immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the rich: . . . and suppression by force, i.e. exclusion from democracy, for the exploiters and oppressors of the people — this is the change which democracy undergoes during the transition from capitalism to communism." -wikipedia
@Riot4Peac. No distorting please. Your first part of definition does not even match the other. Ibid: "The classless, stateless society that is meant to characterise the communism is one where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made in the best interests of the whole of society
@Riot4Peace ... Ibid: "— a sort of 'of, by, and for the working class', rather than a rich class controlling the wealth and everyone else working for them on a wage basis. In this communism the interests of every member of society is given equal weight to the next, in the practical decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life."
Private unions have been on the decline since the 70's and public unions have been on the rise. And, WHERE IS THE FREE TRADE when the "big money" corporations are forced to hire union workers, and the small buisness can't compete when the unions are taking all the good paying jobs?
Unions are just like communism creeping into america. It's not free trade. And where is union money going? Unions lobbyists are buying government. Most certainly not to create unions for us all. Whichis communisim.
@Riot4Peace -- as private sector unions have waned so have private sector wages-- it isn't that the public sector suddenly started making MORE money but that the private sector passed them on the way back down.
here's the deal-- the point is that it's Saint Ronnee himself saying the words, period.
BTW-- i don't think that communism means what you seem to think that it means.
IF EVERY WORKER WERE UNION: The only thing that would prevent the US from being considered communist would be if union wages were not regulated by the state. The unions are so involved in politics, they might as well be government IF THE UNIONS WERE BIG ENOUGH THAT ALL WORKERS WERE UNION. And, I might add, if everyone in the supply chain were union, products labeled "made in USA" would be so expensive, no one would be able to afford them. Just like I can't afford the "USA" label.
@Riot4Peace -- post WW2 thru 35 years ago ~35% of the US work force were union-- the "golden years" of fiscal growth & security
now? <12%
real household wages are Stagnant despite households having added a wage earner [wives] and we've gone from a society of net savers to net debtors as we leverage ourselves to maintain a bling bling lifestyle, with those cheap giant flat screens we al put on the Visa under the delusion that 'reward points' will ever be meaningful.
Unions keep a company in check when they can see the actual books on what profits are being made and where,so they can get a fair share of the money.I wonder if alot of companies keep 2 books,one to show they didn't make too much profit or had a loss to show the IRS and another book they keep for themselves to know how much profit they actually made.
It is interesting that many former private sector workers have a second career in education... teaching public education... Why do you think they do that?
It is interesting that many former private sector workers have a second career in education... teaching public education... Why do you think they do that?
Ronnie's speech is what's known as giving lip service. As my mom used to say, "Actions speak louder than words." Reagan gave the death blow to unions with his actions against the Air Traffic Controllers Union.
Aside from this speech, let's not forget, shall we, that outsourcing our manufacturing jobs (without tax penalties for it) began under Reagan-Bush. It is they who helped destroy our great industries and our GNP. George W. put the cherry on top of the prosperity- and freedom-killing sundae. Together, they have done more to help destroy America's strengths than anything that Russia or Communist China ever could have done.
Guy, they're starting with the government-based unions and working their way down. Now it's teachers, too. Next will be the trade unions. They will do whatever it takes to stop unions because they traditionally (though not always) support Democrats.
Conservatives today have lost their minds. Reagan is so far to their left it's not funny. And Reagan was a racist SOB with horrible policy ideas (war on drugs).
Not a Reagan-Cock sucker ? Hate to say it buddy but you are not worthy. He brought down the Communist empire, brought civility to politics by sharing drinks with Tip O'Neil at the White House after 5pm to separate business from rhetoric along with other rituals to build good will, and he brought back America's standing on the world stage lost after Carters and Nixon's tenure. Remember Reagan's first commandment "Thy shall not speak ill of a fellow Republican."
PLEASE! Crack open a real history book buddy. The Soviet empire collapsed because Gorbachev (luckily) didn't have the testicular fortitude to intervene in Eastern Europe like Kruschev and Brezhnev did. If he did intervene, we'd still be combating the "Soviet Menace"
"brought civility..."
please. Politicians have always been like that. Its not like he was the first politician to share a drink with an opposing one.
Gee your 19. I was 19 once and knew everything also. Don't need a "real history book" because I read it in the Newspaper as it happened. Reagan made it clear he was as crazy. He also initiated the largest peace time military build up in the history of man. With Star Wars the Soviets knew that the arms race was unsustainable without crippling their tattered economy thus opening the door to possible revolution. Reagan out spent and maneuvered them in to a footnote in history.
There was far more spending in the Soviet economy than their military. The problems with the Soviet system were inherent to itself. (I'd encourage you to read the Politically incorrect guide to Capitalism for a good intro, but ive heard better things about the politically incorrect guide to socialism) A nation doesn't just magically go away when another outspends it on military. Again, you have no idea how or why the Soviet empire collapsed.
@migkillertwo Yeah I 'm afraid you're right. Reagan did what politicians do - they take credit for things they have no business taking credit for. Reagan's people knew the Berlin Wall was about to fall anyway. And it seems pretty obvious from this video that he was willing to say or do whatever would get him elected since he was running for office. Obama made a similar speech during his election that he's ignoring today.
He fired air traffic controller's an changed labor laws(all against union rights)and replaced the striking workers.Illegal labor was not far behind.And lets not forget he invented deficit spending,dealt weapons to Saddam Hussein,and gave money to the contra rebels. And lets not forget the backdoor deal he made with Iran to embarass Jimmy Carter. WOW what a guy! But hey he called his wife mommy and loved those jellybeans so he cant be all bad.
This was back when union presence was largely in the private sector and there was no quid pro quo. There is little doubt Reagan would be quick to reject the current environment where unions are negotiating with the very people that they helped elect.
This was back when union presence was largely in the private sector and there was no quid pro quo. There is little doubt Reagan would be quick to reject the current environment where unions are negotiating with the very people that they helped elect.
This was back when union presence was largely in the private sector and there was no quid pro quo. There is little doubt Reagan would be quick to reject the current environment where unions are negotiating with the very people that they helped elect.
@crdemallie PATCO considered itself a professional association at one time , but it was later ruled by US Civil Service Commission to be a trade union. PATCO actually endorsed Reagan for president
When a state is in bankruptcy (essentially), then it's either "no collective bargaining because you demanded so much in the past", or "a good chunk of you are fired, and the kids have to do without enough teachers..." In bankrupt cases, contracts can sometimes be broken, it sucks, but something has to give.
@CreativeFilmMaker Because you are being fed lies,Reagan was head of the actors union and was a believer in unions...
The reason he fired the air traffic guys,by law they are not allowed to strike when they threatened to strike Reagan told them you strike i will fire everyone,they did and he fired them.....
He was against public unions as are the gov in WI,peoples taxes being used so union people have excellent healthcare and a great pension while the average joe has neither.
@CreativeFilmMaker You're right, he was. This speech is just political theatre and propaganda -- unions are good for Poland, but apparently not so good for the U.S. All those people talking about Ronnie being the head of SAG -- yeah, back when he was a Democrat, before right winger George Murphy converted him.
It's pure political theatre, folks - this is the same man who fired the air traffic controllers when they desperately needed somebody to do something about the conditions under which they were expected to work - and safely get planes landed. He broke the union and brought in non-union workers... and THAT was the BEGINNING of what has happened in several state assemblies this year.
@ny23ny23ny - The GOP and Conservatives do NOT hold that view when it comes to corporations' ability to negotiate compensation with its employees... you just don't get it both ways.
Hey idiots, hes talking about collective bargaining with regards to private companies and their unions. Hes not talking about Government Workers. Your precious government workers unions did not take place in eliminating child labor or establishing a minimum wage. They didn't even exist until the 1960's.
In the words of Left Wing Super Hero FDR: "The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service"
@FartyFace -- i bet you're one of those literalists when it comes to the Constitution, plain english, four corners and all that, right? like a good Ron Paulite?
he didn't specify private and he didn't say "except for public sector"-- plain english works both ways.
I bet you're one of those radical Bush/Obama types who think they can reinterpret the constitution at will.
Me? I'm a liberal like our founding fathers. Unlike Obama, I think its unconstitutional to assassinate American citizens without due process. Unlike Bush I think its unconstitutional to tap people phones without a court order.
People like you are scum. I hope to god you dont vote.
@FartyFace -- i've no prob indicting ANYone in the G for illegal acts-- let's start with Cheney and work our way forward [and back-- pity Ronne's dead]
and i don't disagree with you on phones or assassination either- more than your words would be nice-- in fact i don't think it's legal for us to assassinate ANYone, US citizen or not.
the assumption that ConLaw interpretation is 'simple' or 'obvious' is flat wrong-- unless you think that darkies should still be worth only 3/5?
FDR was against collective bargaining for Federal workers. Listen, conservatives in general don't disagree w/ collective bargaining as long as it pertains to salaries only. You'll see many of the union protesters, when asked what they are protesting & if they know what language is in the bill that was passed, they all look like deer caught in the headlights. They haven't a clue. Only what their union bosses tell them. They're part of a huge collective devoid of any kind of individualism.
@Moonchild711 ,have you even seen what's going on in Milwaukee?your opinion of the protesters' knowledge is a wholly false and gross overstatement.and conservatives in general?I don't know where you get your information,,but the vast majority of conservatives,both elected officials and those in the media,want to end unions once and for all.just look at the anti-union rhetoric constantly broadcast on fox,and spoken by elected officials.it will affect all workers,union or not.
13 cookies sit on a plate. A wealthy politician takes 12 and tells the upper middle class person, look out that union person is going to take your cookie!
Stop scraping the bowl from the bottom of the barrel when there is plenty at the top that's already been scraped from the bottom and the middle.
More conservative lies from one of the most revolting individuals in American history. Spoken to obfuscate the true tyrannical aspirations of the republican party.
your kid's seventh grade science teacher's pension plan is not responsible for the destruction of the economy. the cop's healthcare plan is not bankrupting the states. that's what is known in politics as a lie.
this is about destroying unions as a funding source for the democratic party. funny, this big push to dismantle the labor movement happening immediately after all limits on corporate and union political contributions were ended by the SC. just a happy coincidence.
The only time I have ever agreed with Ronald Reagan - he was right, and he will be proven right over the next coming years. Your freedoms are only privileges, as George Carlin said - they can be taken away (and will be) t any time.
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Reagan was in support of Union Workers that acually PRODUCED something.
Government workers only TAKE.
And when they can't get more than everyone in the private sector earns, they threaten us with strikes. Yes, the very people that swear to "Protect & Serve" the citizenry; instead use "Protect & Serve', to mean Protect my wages and Serve myself.
And they act as if they are above us. It's time to take 'em down a notch and remind them who they work for - US !
@quaffer22 take 'em down a notch? how about you bring yourself up a notch you envious prick. public workers weren't the cause of the recession or budgetary problems. look up a class or 2 and you'll find the culprits...psssst, it ain't you or any other middle class people like teachers, cops, firefighters, nurses, etc.
@quaffer22 You're right, some government workers are greedy and only take. But school custodians? They're state employees. Firefighters? So are they. How about Postal workers? Police officers? School aids for handicapped children? State nurses? Prison guards? EMTs? Kindergarten teachers?
@quaffer22 Actually he was talking about Polish workers who were state employees. But anyways If you think teachers, sanitation workers, snow plow drivers etc only take from you, try going one week w/o them. Good luck.
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Conservatism is not opposed to unions and collective bargaining. There must be limits on what can be negotiated, however. Otherwise, you get an unsustainable system that collapses under the weight of its own largess.
@ny23ny23ny Please tell that to Scott Walker. I'm not a big union supporter but they exist for a reason. Research their history. When the corporations get too much power there has to be a balance. When the unions get too powerful and try to outlaw the corporations, I'll be fighting for the corporations.
@GuyFaux2007 Corporations, yes...public unions, no. Teachers work for the taxpayers, and have a shit ton of protections as public government employees. The taxpayers aren't fat cats smoking cigars while teachers work 90 hour work weeks in sweatshops...
@GuyFaux2007 No need to guess. When PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers union) went on strike in August 1981, Reagan announced that they must return to work in 48 hours or be terminated. Only a handful complied, and over 11,000 were fired. Despite pressure throughout the rest of his time in office, he refused to re-hire a single one of them. BTW, PATCO had endorsed Reagan.
FDR, one of the great heroes of American labor, was staunchly opposed to unionization of government workers.
@GuyFaux2007 Unions have gone from representing 1/3 of American workers down to 12% - and over half of the 12% are public workers' unions.
Corporations and the top 400 families in this country controlling more wealth than 50% of Americans have too much power - are buying elections and writing legislature and all the while unions have been shrinking and union workers have been giving concessions, losing benefits and their salaries shrinking. Unions are the last of our problems.
@GuyFaux2007 The unions exist for the greedy union bosses who steal money from their members. I was a recording secretary for a union several years ago, and I saw it happen first hand! I will never join nor trust a union boss again. The bigger the union (the more $) the bigger the thieves!
@ny23ny23ny someone should tell "conservatism" that it sure seems like it's opposed to unions and collective bargaining. in fact it seems to a lot of people that "conservatism" is using a crisis created by its adherents to destroy its political opposition. "largess"? what "conservatism" is calling largess used to be called a middle class existence. but that was thirty years ago, before the joker in this clip started us down this road.
@ny23ny23ny holy crap, complaining about the largess of unions in America? They're the weakest anywhere, and are being crushed still. You've lost perspective... or you never had it.
Maybe not "True" conservatism. However modern day Republican politicians are far more corporatist than conservative.
The Unions are the democrats largest financial donors. By crushing them ( And thousands of innocents in the process ) they're hoping to reduce the democrats ability to campaign in 2012. You can even look it up where one of them is so bold as to admit it on Fox " News ".
If Reagan were running in 2012 I'd vote for him 100 times before any of these phony corporatists
@ny23ny23ny Just as Liberals aren't opposed to corporations but there must be limits to the power they have. I think we can agree there must be a middle ground and give and take by both sides. Eliminating collective bargaining is not "give and take," it's fascism! The American middle-class was built because of the unions and it's dying because of the way unions have been pushed out since the 80's, beginning with the regime of that hypocrite Reagan.
@ny23ny23ny That would make sense if either side were reasonable. We've moved beyond the age of reason into the age of ideology.
Every power base, from the two parties to even the Red Cross is controlled by people who just want to increase their salary and political power.
"We the people" are the ones who are disempowered, fed rhetoric and distorted facts to support the wealthy fat cats who have landed themselves in positions of power.
@ny23ny23ny Look at any organization, union, think tank, corporation, and even non-profits and charities.
They are run by people who just want to grow their organizations so they can command $500,000, $800,000, even over a million a year salaries and increase their political clout.
As a citizen, I worry about our present and future because of this massive distortion of our democracy.
@ny23ny23ny Just look at the Red Cross's response to the earthquake in Japan. They immediately set up a text and toll free campaign for donations. THE AMERICAN RED CROSS! SEEKING DONATIONS TO HELP A NATION IN ANOTHER TIME ZONE! Just like they did after 9/11, and took in BILLIONS, but never distributed those billions to the victims or their familes.
Unions, political parties, think tanks, corporations are all about maximizing power and profits.
@ny23ny23ny then what you do is reform what's broken by mutual agreement in public way. You do not kill off the ability to collectively bargain. Maybe you haven't come around to this realization yet but Walker et al don't want ANY collective bargaining! It's called being beholden to your corporate donors. And that's not sustainable either.
@ny23ny23ny said "There must be limits on what can be negotiated, however.Otherwise, you get an unsustainable system that collapses under the weight of its own largess."
-- like the corrupt corporate banking industry that got so big & out of control that it collapsed, yet walked away with vast sums of money sucked out of the working people? That's why there must be some limits on what corporations are allowed to do (regulation). Working people need strong representation.
@meehee45 ~ of course this fits the play book. say one thing, do another. how about obama telling the nlrb to take down it's website defense against republican plans to cut their budget?
say one thing, do another. i think obama may be to the right of reagan.
@meehee45 PATCO considered itself a professional association at one time , but it was later ruled by US Civil Service Commission to be a trade union. PATCO actually endorsed Reagan for president
@meehee45 Frankly, I have mixed feelings about PATCO. They considered themselves to be "professionals", above the riff-raff of labor. My Dad was an airline mechanic at the time, so I picked up much of his attitude towards PATCO through osmosis. They were demanding better working conditions, more pay (both understandable) AND a 32-hour work week (many other union folks at the time did not align themselves with PATCO, like my Dad)!
@Yankhadenough I agree on the mixed feelings thing. But what some people don't seem to understand is that you can change things about unions without getting rid of them completely. Hell, the Wisconsin unions gave every single financial concession that was called for once they realized what they were up against. It was uneceesary to go on with that bill since they got the money they 'needed' [or, y'know, got back after giving 140M of it to the rich...]
@meehee45 oh me and my Dad are on the same page with you and Unions, we must NEVER allow Unions to be stomped out by corruption, corporatism, dictatorships and Republicans. And we are 110% with the Wisconsin Unions on current issues with public workers, especially since I am a union public worker in Florida going through the same thing with Rick Scott!
@Yankhadenough that's awful - I've heard a lot about the battle in Florida, although not as much as I have about Wisconsin.
I think the number was 18 anti-abortion bills that were voted on in Florida since the new state government took it's place. Whether or not you support abortion, I think that 18 abortion bills doesn't leave much room for creating jobs...
@meehee45 Rick Scott is pure bait 'n switch scam, he is destroying public jobs and pensions to cut public services so that his corporate cohorts in crime will have "excuse" to insist upon more corporate tax cuts! Rick Scott tricked a lot of voters with "jobs" rhetoric, but he is lies, ALL lies. We hear of voters' remorse every day in Florida :( What did they honestly expect from the CEO of the largest Medicare fraud in US history, good grief.
@asf7sg89 HAHAHAHAHAHA. Liberal CGI. I know. They made the mistake of propping up someone sane, now that they are going crazy we can beat them down with Reagan. God damn the state of politics is sad.
@daswann14 Excuse me, but how does damning God help our country? If you knew God you would know that to damn Him is to open the gates of hell. My husband died in the line of duty as a Union Firefighter. I know he is now an Angel for the living Firefighters. He never damned God. He believed in Him and as he died he prayed for people like you. God needed him more then me because of all the lost souls. You are now in my prayers. When you become a real man, you will know God too.
@NanaGreene1 LOL. 1st of all god damn is a very common expression baby ears. I said damn politics not God. Second since you wanna go there... Fuck God. Fuck your god, fuck every other god. They are all imaginary. Sorry about your husband, but he's not in heaven. Heaven doesn't exist. It's actually sad how you're rationalizing his death. Dead is not better than alive. He was not taken for a purpose. I am a real man. You're the one that believes in fairy tales and talks to imaginary friends.
Let us not forget the day when Reagan laid off those works of PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization) for strike and put a three years ban on every employee related PATCO to find work anywhere. And made it a law if any union in the Federal government strike will serve Jail time
CSUSBlikesOmfgcata 1 week ago
you know that this was about FREE unions right? The ability to be in the union without paying dues. You people that are chanting that he's talking about MOB rules unions are ignorant.
atrimmell 1 month ago
@atrimmell funny he didn't say that. Nice of you to interpret for us. Thanks.
GuyFaux2007 1 month ago 2
@GuyFaux2007 you obviously are deaf.
atrimmell 1 month ago
@atrimmell
I don't think you know what "free union" means. It means a union that is free from government control, not free as in it doesn't cost anything to join.
Let me guess, you probably think "free press" means that you shouldn't have to pay for newspapers
11111110 4 weeks ago
Tell that to the air traffic controllers, Ronnie.
rosweed1 5 months ago
@rosweed1
He fired the air traffic controllers, he didn't take away their rights. Hence, "free unions"
11111110 4 weeks ago
@11111110 it true he dose not support nor did he care for the senior citizens, he cut off medicare and social security plus he did not give damn about the elderly people. Daycare center were also close seniors had to get job to survive when Reagan was president People call him the best president he was nothing, the only thing he was good at was ending communism with Russia
CSUSBlikesOmfgcata 1 week ago
@CSUSBlikesOmfgcata
Unfortunately Reagan would probably be considered a pinko by today's political spectrum.
11111110 1 week ago
@11111110 It too bad he dodged the bullet he would be better dead when he was president. Its bull crap the his name is on UCLA medical center or the Memorial Center, or or that famous Library or that Solar Power Battleship
CSUSBlikesOmfgcata 1 week ago
@CSUSBlikesOmfgcata To me Reagan is another Rick Perry he is not another Bush because even though Bush made mistakes he realized it and wanted to fix them. Ricky nor Reagan would have not done that nor would they ever care.
CSUSBlikesOmfgcata 1 week ago
Free trade unions are voluntary unions which are fine. The problem is that government is willing to give up everything to public unions, as the money isn't theirs.
schustergph 9 months ago 4
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AlteredBridge1 8 months ago
This is GREAT? We need him in Wisconsin!
Dlanorepmart 9 months ago
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The ONLY way to bring jobs back to America is to lower the minimum wage to $2/hr.
This is the only way we can compete with China. Paul Ryan and my fellow republicans need to act on this now. Employers also should not have to carry the burdern of paying for health care either. Go get em Paul!
GOPkicksbutt 10 months ago
isn't he darlin? lol :) This video made my day!
fethk 11 months ago
Thom Hartmann -True story of the Tea Party.
watch?v=9UiLZk2TE8k
asf7sg89 11 months ago 7
That McMoron Reagan was the FIRST union-busting President. Just ask all the air-traffic controllers he fired!
jncurotto 11 months ago
i'd be interested to see what scotty thinks of this video
Medulaman683 11 months ago
hypocrite
cherylbeee 11 months ago
Sorry, read up on communism, we are 1 step away. If every worker were union, what would this country be? Union lobbyists buy government.
Capitalism..ie: being able to own your own buisness, is what makes this a free country....UNIONS STEAL JOBS, AND CONTRACTS FROM NON UNION WORKERS, AND SMALL BUISNESS. Where is the free trade?
Riot4Peace 11 months ago
@Riot4Peace. We are 1 step away from communism? lol Didn't read so stupid comment for a while now. In any case, have you ever heard of a term 'free social market'? I bet you haven't. Because judging from the comment above, you are as ignorant as an American can possibly be. And no, YOU READ UP ON COMMUNISM!
fethk 11 months ago
@fethk
Oh. I see you've determined what step I was talking about.. even without any thought.
Then read Patrick Henery's "Give me liberty or give me death" speech.
What do you see that "liberty" our country was founded on to be?
If you've ever wanted to own a buisness (a piece of the american pie), you'd understand.
Americans are the owners, not the employees.
Americans already have representation, the constitution, & the law
Where is union money going, not to create unions for everyone.
Riot4Peace 10 months ago
@Riot4Peace lol What are you talking about? Working class in the US was, is and will be a majority. Presently at least 62% of Americans taking orders, not giving them. Meanwhile, they are distracted and diverted from their best interest. Working class in the US is the worst represented. I would agree that the power of unions have been more politicized and territorial for the last few decades. But the only thing it means is the fact that we have to bring them back again!
fethk 10 months ago
@Riot4Peace. Oh yeah, I would be complete dullard if I would listen to American telling me what socialism and communism actually is. It is ridiculous! This geographical isolation from the rest of the developed world is not doing any good to the US. Obviously!
fethk 10 months ago
@fethk
It's really difficult making out exactly what you're saying here. The culture of people who live in a communist country are more likely to be better I think. It really depends on the "dictator" (as the US would have you term them) Not really sure how they define themselves..President maybe? But, I think the difference is similar to what it means to be american, and the US government. We have no democracy here..and Mr. President is the "SPEAKER" for those in power.
Riot4Peace 10 months ago
@Riot4Peace I think I suspect what you are trying to say in here. Are you by communism actually implying fascism? Or you are implying communism as it exist in present 'communism' dictator ruled countries? Like China or Korea? Because when you say we are one step away from communism, you have to understand that communism is ideology and philosophy by itself that cannot be further from the its real manifestation from any country than ever (and especially China, Soviet Russia, and anywhere else).
fethk 10 months ago
@Riot4Peace In communism the country is not being led by dictators. It is being led by We the Working Class People. Communism countries as we know then distorted communism ideology into complete opposite. I guess this is where our misunderstanding comes from. In any case, I totally agree on "speaker" part. Sad reality. Especially visible right now.
fethk 10 months ago
@fethk
Sad but true. I only wonder, whats happened to the american ideal.
Riot4Peace 10 months ago
@Riot4Peace I don't think we'll agree on American ideal though :) Average salary of union worker (represented one) is around $200 more as of 2010 than the non unionized one. Also, as of now, 70 million Americans would like to be represented by unions and have no chance of doing so. If not for organized labor, we would still be in dark ages and use child labor. 'Free Market" (I prefer rotten Capitalism, lol) is demanding to be very very competitive (thus, any means are good if it brings profit).
fethk 10 months ago
Reagan= "where free unions and collective bargaining are forbiden, freedom is lost."
FREEDOM IS NOT LOST...Read Patrick Henry speech
GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!
What liberty were we fighting for upon the establishment of this country?
Riot4Peace 11 months ago
We must stop the union invasion on freedom...Where's the american dream when unions force "big money" to hire union, STEALING JOBS AND BUISNESS from small buisness entities and non union workers.
Riot4Peace 11 months ago
Communism = An immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the rich: . . . and suppression by force, i.e. exclusion from democracy, for the exploiters and oppressors of the people — this is the change which democracy undergoes during the transition from capitalism to communism." -wikipedia
Riot4Peace 11 months ago
@Riot4Peac. No distorting please. Your first part of definition does not even match the other. Ibid: "The classless, stateless society that is meant to characterise the communism is one where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made in the best interests of the whole of society
fethk 10 months ago
@Riot4Peace ... Ibid: "— a sort of 'of, by, and for the working class', rather than a rich class controlling the wealth and everyone else working for them on a wage basis. In this communism the interests of every member of society is given equal weight to the next, in the practical decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life."
fethk 10 months ago
Private unions have been on the decline since the 70's and public unions have been on the rise. And, WHERE IS THE FREE TRADE when the "big money" corporations are forced to hire union workers, and the small buisness can't compete when the unions are taking all the good paying jobs?
Unions are just like communism creeping into america. It's not free trade. And where is union money going? Unions lobbyists are buying government. Most certainly not to create unions for us all. Whichis communisim.
Riot4Peace 11 months ago
@Riot4Peace -- as private sector unions have waned so have private sector wages-- it isn't that the public sector suddenly started making MORE money but that the private sector passed them on the way back down.
here's the deal-- the point is that it's Saint Ronnee himself saying the words, period.
BTW-- i don't think that communism means what you seem to think that it means.
androydnyc 11 months ago
@androydnyc
IF EVERY WORKER WERE UNION: The only thing that would prevent the US from being considered communist would be if union wages were not regulated by the state. The unions are so involved in politics, they might as well be government IF THE UNIONS WERE BIG ENOUGH THAT ALL WORKERS WERE UNION. And, I might add, if everyone in the supply chain were union, products labeled "made in USA" would be so expensive, no one would be able to afford them. Just like I can't afford the "USA" label.
Riot4Peace 11 months ago
@Riot4Peace -- post WW2 thru 35 years ago ~35% of the US work force were union-- the "golden years" of fiscal growth & security
now? <12%
real household wages are Stagnant despite households having added a wage earner [wives] and we've gone from a society of net savers to net debtors as we leverage ourselves to maintain a bling bling lifestyle, with those cheap giant flat screens we al put on the Visa under the delusion that 'reward points' will ever be meaningful.
stay afeared of the Big C!
androydnyc 11 months ago
Unions keep a company in check when they can see the actual books on what profits are being made and where,so they can get a fair share of the money.I wonder if alot of companies keep 2 books,one to show they didn't make too much profit or had a loss to show the IRS and another book they keep for themselves to know how much profit they actually made.
street35z 11 months ago
It is interesting that many former private sector workers have a second career in education... teaching public education... Why do you think they do that?
krollin4 11 months ago
It is interesting that many former private sector workers have a second career in education... teaching public education... Why do you think they do that?
krollin4 11 months ago
Ronnie's speech is what's known as giving lip service. As my mom used to say, "Actions speak louder than words." Reagan gave the death blow to unions with his actions against the Air Traffic Controllers Union.
roorutka 11 months ago
What about PATCO? Remember the 11,345 air traffic controllers he fired and banned from federal service for life?
nancyandbillof8 11 months ago
What about PATCO? Remember the 11,345 air traffic controllers he fired and banned from federal service for lif e?
nancyandbillof8 11 months ago
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What about PATCO? Remember the 11,345 air traffic controllers he fired and banned from federal service for life?
nancyandbillof8 11 months ago
What about PATCO? Remember the 11,345 air traffic controllers he fired and banned from federal service for life?
nancyandbillof8 11 months ago
Aside from this speech, let's not forget, shall we, that outsourcing our manufacturing jobs (without tax penalties for it) began under Reagan-Bush. It is they who helped destroy our great industries and our GNP. George W. put the cherry on top of the prosperity- and freedom-killing sundae. Together, they have done more to help destroy America's strengths than anything that Russia or Communist China ever could have done.
moosisha 11 months ago 4
Guy, they're starting with the government-based unions and working their way down. Now it's teachers, too. Next will be the trade unions. They will do whatever it takes to stop unions because they traditionally (though not always) support Democrats.
moosisha 11 months ago 2
Soshulist.
ragrucza1 11 months ago
Anyone else hear Joe Hill turning in his grave?
lennieandkate2 11 months ago
@lennieandkate2 Joe Hill was cremated, so probably not.
johnsogg 11 months ago
Politifact confirmed it.
Just 400 Americans have more wealth combined than the total wealth of half of America.
400 > 153,503,275 Americans.
asf7sg89 11 months ago 4
He'd never survive today's GOP.
DidMadeSaidThought 11 months ago 3
Conservatives today have lost their minds. Reagan is so far to their left it's not funny. And Reagan was a racist SOB with horrible policy ideas (war on drugs).
daswann14 11 months ago 4
precious.
Whatever, I'm a conservative I'm not some reagan-cock sucker; He was wrong on a whole friggin lot of issues
migkillertwo 11 months ago
@migkillertwo
Not a Reagan-Cock sucker ? Hate to say it buddy but you are not worthy. He brought down the Communist empire, brought civility to politics by sharing drinks with Tip O'Neil at the White House after 5pm to separate business from rhetoric along with other rituals to build good will, and he brought back America's standing on the world stage lost after Carters and Nixon's tenure. Remember Reagan's first commandment "Thy shall not speak ill of a fellow Republican."
robertofvictoria 11 months ago
@robertofvictoria
"He brought down the Communist empire"
PLEASE! Crack open a real history book buddy. The Soviet empire collapsed because Gorbachev (luckily) didn't have the testicular fortitude to intervene in Eastern Europe like Kruschev and Brezhnev did. If he did intervene, we'd still be combating the "Soviet Menace"
"brought civility..."
please. Politicians have always been like that. Its not like he was the first politician to share a drink with an opposing one.
migkillertwo 11 months ago 2
@migkillertwo
Gee your 19. I was 19 once and knew everything also. Don't need a "real history book" because I read it in the Newspaper as it happened. Reagan made it clear he was as crazy. He also initiated the largest peace time military build up in the history of man. With Star Wars the Soviets knew that the arms race was unsustainable without crippling their tattered economy thus opening the door to possible revolution. Reagan out spent and maneuvered them in to a footnote in history.
robertofvictoria 11 months ago
@robertofvictoria
There was far more spending in the Soviet economy than their military. The problems with the Soviet system were inherent to itself. (I'd encourage you to read the Politically incorrect guide to Capitalism for a good intro, but ive heard better things about the politically incorrect guide to socialism) A nation doesn't just magically go away when another outspends it on military. Again, you have no idea how or why the Soviet empire collapsed.
migkillertwo 11 months ago
@migkillertwo Yeah I 'm afraid you're right. Reagan did what politicians do - they take credit for things they have no business taking credit for. Reagan's people knew the Berlin Wall was about to fall anyway. And it seems pretty obvious from this video that he was willing to say or do whatever would get him elected since he was running for office. Obama made a similar speech during his election that he's ignoring today.
gfink2 11 months ago
@migkillertwo perhaps Gorby had the testicular fortitude to NOT intervene?
not everything is Manichean
androydnyc 11 months ago
He fired air traffic controller's an changed labor laws(all against union rights)and replaced the striking workers.Illegal labor was not far behind.And lets not forget he invented deficit spending,dealt weapons to Saddam Hussein,and gave money to the contra rebels. And lets not forget the backdoor deal he made with Iran to embarass Jimmy Carter. WOW what a guy! But hey he called his wife mommy and loved those jellybeans so he cant be all bad.
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This was back when union presence was largely in the private sector and there was no quid pro quo. There is little doubt Reagan would be quick to reject the current environment where unions are negotiating with the very people that they helped elect.
crdemallie 11 months ago
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This was back when union presence was largely in the private sector and there was no quid pro quo. There is little doubt Reagan would be quick to reject the current environment where unions are negotiating with the very people that they helped elect.
crdemallie 11 months ago
This was back when union presence was largely in the private sector and there was no quid pro quo. There is little doubt Reagan would be quick to reject the current environment where unions are negotiating with the very people that they helped elect.
crdemallie 11 months ago
@crdemallie yeah regan would reject it because he would be a prostitute for big oil and other big corporations just like most republicans today.
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Yankhadenough 11 months ago
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@crdemallie PATCO considered itself a professional association at one time , but it was later ruled by US Civil Service Commission to be a trade union. PATCO actually endorsed Reagan for president
Yankhadenough 11 months ago
When a state is in bankruptcy (essentially), then it's either "no collective bargaining because you demanded so much in the past", or "a good chunk of you are fired, and the kids have to do without enough teachers..." In bankrupt cases, contracts can sometimes be broken, it sucks, but something has to give.
barwick11 11 months ago
@barwick11 -- and how exactly does Walker's tax cut giveaway that created that deficit factor in?
and the FACT that the unions consented to the fiscal givebacks WEEKS ago?
utter nonsense-- this is about breaking ALL unions, pure and simple
androydnyc 11 months ago
"...where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." Ronald Reagan
Scott Walker hates freedom! (And he's goofy looking too.)
w9j15g 11 months ago 3
Scott Walker disliked this video, LMAO!
Extreme719Ballin 11 months ago 13
I thought he was against unions and fired all the air traffic controllers?
CreativeFilmMaker 11 months ago
@CreativeFilmMaker Duh you need to grow up and see the big picture..
TheKaos007 11 months ago
@TheKaos007 I legitimately don't understand, could you explain it to me?
CreativeFilmMaker 11 months ago
@CreativeFilmMaker Because you are being fed lies,Reagan was head of the actors union and was a believer in unions...
The reason he fired the air traffic guys,by law they are not allowed to strike when they threatened to strike Reagan told them you strike i will fire everyone,they did and he fired them.....
He was against public unions as are the gov in WI,peoples taxes being used so union people have excellent healthcare and a great pension while the average joe has neither.
TheKaos007 11 months ago
@CreativeFilmMaker You're right, he was. This speech is just political theatre and propaganda -- unions are good for Poland, but apparently not so good for the U.S. All those people talking about Ronnie being the head of SAG -- yeah, back when he was a Democrat, before right winger George Murphy converted him.
jqbtube 11 months ago
It's pure political theatre, folks - this is the same man who fired the air traffic controllers when they desperately needed somebody to do something about the conditions under which they were expected to work - and safely get planes landed. He broke the union and brought in non-union workers... and THAT was the BEGINNING of what has happened in several state assemblies this year.
sjm30741 11 months ago
I was wondering what would every self respecting tea bagger do with themselves now?
stoughton1 11 months ago
@ny23ny23ny - The GOP and Conservatives do NOT hold that view when it comes to corporations' ability to negotiate compensation with its employees... you just don't get it both ways.
kewe65 11 months ago
As bad as he was, this guy would never be elected as a conservative today!
bradjbourgeois73 11 months ago
Hey idiots, hes talking about collective bargaining with regards to private companies and their unions. Hes not talking about Government Workers. Your precious government workers unions did not take place in eliminating child labor or establishing a minimum wage. They didn't even exist until the 1960's.
In the words of Left Wing Super Hero FDR: "The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service"
FDR warned us against it!
FartyFace 11 months ago
@FartyFace -- i bet you're one of those literalists when it comes to the Constitution, plain english, four corners and all that, right? like a good Ron Paulite?
he didn't specify private and he didn't say "except for public sector"-- plain english works both ways.
androydnyc 11 months ago
@androydnyc
I bet you're one of those radical Bush/Obama types who think they can reinterpret the constitution at will.
Me? I'm a liberal like our founding fathers. Unlike Obama, I think its unconstitutional to assassinate American citizens without due process. Unlike Bush I think its unconstitutional to tap people phones without a court order.
People like you are scum. I hope to god you dont vote.
FartyFace 11 months ago
@FartyFace -- i've no prob indicting ANYone in the G for illegal acts-- let's start with Cheney and work our way forward [and back-- pity Ronne's dead]
and i don't disagree with you on phones or assassination either- more than your words would be nice-- in fact i don't think it's legal for us to assassinate ANYone, US citizen or not.
the assumption that ConLaw interpretation is 'simple' or 'obvious' is flat wrong-- unless you think that darkies should still be worth only 3/5?
androydnyc 11 months ago
FDR was against collective bargaining for Federal workers. Listen, conservatives in general don't disagree w/ collective bargaining as long as it pertains to salaries only. You'll see many of the union protesters, when asked what they are protesting & if they know what language is in the bill that was passed, they all look like deer caught in the headlights. They haven't a clue. Only what their union bosses tell them. They're part of a huge collective devoid of any kind of individualism.
Moonchild711 11 months ago
@Moonchild711 ,have you even seen what's going on in Milwaukee?your opinion of the protesters' knowledge is a wholly false and gross overstatement.and conservatives in general?I don't know where you get your information,,but the vast majority of conservatives,both elected officials and those in the media,want to end unions once and for all.just look at the anti-union rhetoric constantly broadcast on fox,and spoken by elected officials.it will affect all workers,union or not.
CikaCrni75 11 months ago 2
13 cookies sit on a plate. A wealthy politician takes 12 and tells the upper middle class person, look out that union person is going to take your cookie!
Stop scraping the bowl from the bottom of the barrel when there is plenty at the top that's already been scraped from the bottom and the middle.
fallen2gabriel 11 months ago 13
More conservative lies from one of the most revolting individuals in American history. Spoken to obfuscate the true tyrannical aspirations of the republican party.
schnitzelboy251 11 months ago 3
is it possible to put a RINO up on a pedestal? let the mounting begin!!!!
Mutedvox 11 months ago
your kid's seventh grade science teacher's pension plan is not responsible for the destruction of the economy. the cop's healthcare plan is not bankrupting the states. that's what is known in politics as a lie.
this is about destroying unions as a funding source for the democratic party. funny, this big push to dismantle the labor movement happening immediately after all limits on corporate and union political contributions were ended by the SC. just a happy coincidence.
julianfernandez1 11 months ago 3
The only time I have ever agreed with Ronald Reagan - he was right, and he will be proven right over the next coming years. Your freedoms are only privileges, as George Carlin said - they can be taken away (and will be) t any time.
jdani492 11 months ago 3
So Scott Walker's not a fan of Reagan than eh?
ultraman8914 11 months ago 3
I'm a conservative and what is this.
DrVonNostrand 11 months ago
Next time drive home in a foot of snow asshole
RAY2424 1 year ago
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Reagan was in support of Union Workers that acually PRODUCED something.
Government workers only TAKE.
And when they can't get more than everyone in the private sector earns, they threaten us with strikes. Yes, the very people that swear to "Protect & Serve" the citizenry; instead use "Protect & Serve', to mean Protect my wages and Serve myself.
And they act as if they are above us. It's time to take 'em down a notch and remind them who they work for - US !
quaffer22 1 year ago
@quaffer22 take 'em down a notch? how about you bring yourself up a notch you envious prick. public workers weren't the cause of the recession or budgetary problems. look up a class or 2 and you'll find the culprits...psssst, it ain't you or any other middle class people like teachers, cops, firefighters, nurses, etc.
jcwhite 11 months ago 2
@quaffer22 You're right, some government workers are greedy and only take. But school custodians? They're state employees. Firefighters? So are they. How about Postal workers? Police officers? School aids for handicapped children? State nurses? Prison guards? EMTs? Kindergarten teachers?
Balgearyofthecats 11 months ago
@quaffer22 Actually he was talking about Polish workers who were state employees. But anyways If you think teachers, sanitation workers, snow plow drivers etc only take from you, try going one week w/o them. Good luck.
TheElectricalWorker 11 months ago 2
I believe this may count as ironic...
GoSolar 1 year ago
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Conservatism is not opposed to unions and collective bargaining. There must be limits on what can be negotiated, however. Otherwise, you get an unsustainable system that collapses under the weight of its own largess.
ny23ny23ny 1 year ago
@ny23ny23ny Please tell that to Scott Walker. I'm not a big union supporter but they exist for a reason. Research their history. When the corporations get too much power there has to be a balance. When the unions get too powerful and try to outlaw the corporations, I'll be fighting for the corporations.
GuyFaux2007 1 year ago 46
@GuyFaux2007 Corporations, yes...public unions, no. Teachers work for the taxpayers, and have a shit ton of protections as public government employees. The taxpayers aren't fat cats smoking cigars while teachers work 90 hour work weeks in sweatshops...
SamuraiJack79 11 months ago
@SamuraiJack79 -- show me a teacher working less than 41 hours and i'll show you a part time substitute teacher ;-)
what Walker has done perfectly illustrates the need for public sector unions, period.
androydnyc 11 months ago
@GuyFaux2007 My understanding is that the opposition is to government unions, not unions in general.
cheshirepat30 11 months ago 2
@cheshirepat30 Funny he didn't say that. It's good that you can clarify his intent telepathically.
GuyFaux2007 11 months ago
@GuyFaux2007 It's a gift.
cheshirepat30 11 months ago
@GuyFaux2007 No need to guess. When PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers union) went on strike in August 1981, Reagan announced that they must return to work in 48 hours or be terminated. Only a handful complied, and over 11,000 were fired. Despite pressure throughout the rest of his time in office, he refused to re-hire a single one of them. BTW, PATCO had endorsed Reagan.
FDR, one of the great heroes of American labor, was staunchly opposed to unionization of government workers.
dennis345 11 months ago
@cheshirepat30 -- "first they came for the trade unionists ..."
androydnyc 11 months ago
@androydnyc ahhh yes, Godwin's law.
cheshirepat30 11 months ago
@cheshirepat30 -- or Poe's?
androydnyc 11 months ago
Oh. Ha ha!
cheshirepat30 11 months ago
@GuyFaux2007 Unions have gone from representing 1/3 of American workers down to 12% - and over half of the 12% are public workers' unions.
Corporations and the top 400 families in this country controlling more wealth than 50% of Americans have too much power - are buying elections and writing legislature and all the while unions have been shrinking and union workers have been giving concessions, losing benefits and their salaries shrinking. Unions are the last of our problems.
MsJCBurke 11 months ago 5
@GuyFaux2007 The unions exist for the greedy union bosses who steal money from their members. I was a recording secretary for a union several years ago, and I saw it happen first hand! I will never join nor trust a union boss again. The bigger the union (the more $) the bigger the thieves!
guyzyinz 11 months ago
@ny23ny23ny someone should tell "conservatism" that it sure seems like it's opposed to unions and collective bargaining. in fact it seems to a lot of people that "conservatism" is using a crisis created by its adherents to destroy its political opposition. "largess"? what "conservatism" is calling largess used to be called a middle class existence. but that was thirty years ago, before the joker in this clip started us down this road.
jane wyman was right.
julianfernandez1 11 months ago
@ny23ny23ny The unsustainable system is a system where Corporations are given tax breaks at the expense of workers.
MsJCBurke 11 months ago 3
@ny23ny23ny holy crap, complaining about the largess of unions in America? They're the weakest anywhere, and are being crushed still. You've lost perspective... or you never had it.
caFexpo00 11 months ago 2
@ny23ny23ny
Maybe not "True" conservatism. However modern day Republican politicians are far more corporatist than conservative.
The Unions are the democrats largest financial donors. By crushing them ( And thousands of innocents in the process ) they're hoping to reduce the democrats ability to campaign in 2012. You can even look it up where one of them is so bold as to admit it on Fox " News ".
If Reagan were running in 2012 I'd vote for him 100 times before any of these phony corporatists
ViciousRanger 11 months ago 2
@ny23ny23ny Just as Liberals aren't opposed to corporations but there must be limits to the power they have. I think we can agree there must be a middle ground and give and take by both sides. Eliminating collective bargaining is not "give and take," it's fascism! The American middle-class was built because of the unions and it's dying because of the way unions have been pushed out since the 80's, beginning with the regime of that hypocrite Reagan.
scrume71 11 months ago
@ny23ny23ny That would make sense if either side were reasonable. We've moved beyond the age of reason into the age of ideology.
Every power base, from the two parties to even the Red Cross is controlled by people who just want to increase their salary and political power.
"We the people" are the ones who are disempowered, fed rhetoric and distorted facts to support the wealthy fat cats who have landed themselves in positions of power.
We are a nation of suckers feeding their greed.
PhilLesh69 11 months ago
@ny23ny23ny Look at any organization, union, think tank, corporation, and even non-profits and charities.
They are run by people who just want to grow their organizations so they can command $500,000, $800,000, even over a million a year salaries and increase their political clout.
As a citizen, I worry about our present and future because of this massive distortion of our democracy.
PhilLesh69 11 months ago
@ny23ny23ny Just look at the Red Cross's response to the earthquake in Japan. They immediately set up a text and toll free campaign for donations. THE AMERICAN RED CROSS! SEEKING DONATIONS TO HELP A NATION IN ANOTHER TIME ZONE! Just like they did after 9/11, and took in BILLIONS, but never distributed those billions to the victims or their familes.
Unions, political parties, think tanks, corporations are all about maximizing power and profits.
Fox News is playing you a fool.
PhilLesh69 11 months ago
@ny23ny23ny Scott Walker and Rick Scott are not conservatives, they are corporatists (anti-American anarchists in suits)
Yankhadenough 11 months ago
@ny23ny23ny then what you do is reform what's broken by mutual agreement in public way. You do not kill off the ability to collectively bargain. Maybe you haven't come around to this realization yet but Walker et al don't want ANY collective bargaining! It's called being beholden to your corporate donors. And that's not sustainable either.
gfink2 11 months ago
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@ny23ny23ny said "There must be limits on what can be negotiated, however.Otherwise, you get an unsustainable system that collapses under the weight of its own largess."
-- like the corrupt corporate banking industry that got so big & out of control that it collapsed, yet walked away with vast sums of money sucked out of the working people? That's why there must be some limits on what corporations are allowed to do (regulation). Working people need strong representation.
southernred8 11 months ago
And then, a year later, Reagan fired all the PATCO air traffic controllers who had gone on strike.
andyx6766 1 year ago 10
@andyx6766 which belies the notion that his support of solidarity in poland was anything more than opportunistic blather.
julianfernandez1 11 months ago
What kind of liberal CGI is this????????
This can't be the precious Reagan God of today's right wing nutcases.....
Don't show it to them. Their heads will explode.
asf7sg89 1 year ago 97
@asf7sg89 I am not crazy about Reagan's trickle down theory and neoconism, but he understood the place labor unions have in a free American society.
Yankhadenough 11 months ago
@Yankhadenough he didn't understand 1 year later...
meehee45 11 months ago
@meehee45 ~ of course this fits the play book. say one thing, do another. how about obama telling the nlrb to take down it's website defense against republican plans to cut their budget?
say one thing, do another. i think obama may be to the right of reagan.
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@meehee45 PATCO considered itself a professional association at one time , but it was later ruled by US Civil Service Commission to be a trade union. PATCO actually endorsed Reagan for president
Yankhadenough 11 months ago
@meehee45 Frankly, I have mixed feelings about PATCO. They considered themselves to be "professionals", above the riff-raff of labor. My Dad was an airline mechanic at the time, so I picked up much of his attitude towards PATCO through osmosis. They were demanding better working conditions, more pay (both understandable) AND a 32-hour work week (many other union folks at the time did not align themselves with PATCO, like my Dad)!
Yankhadenough 11 months ago
@Yankhadenough I agree on the mixed feelings thing. But what some people don't seem to understand is that you can change things about unions without getting rid of them completely. Hell, the Wisconsin unions gave every single financial concession that was called for once they realized what they were up against. It was uneceesary to go on with that bill since they got the money they 'needed' [or, y'know, got back after giving 140M of it to the rich...]
meehee45 11 months ago
@meehee45 oh me and my Dad are on the same page with you and Unions, we must NEVER allow Unions to be stomped out by corruption, corporatism, dictatorships and Republicans. And we are 110% with the Wisconsin Unions on current issues with public workers, especially since I am a union public worker in Florida going through the same thing with Rick Scott!
Yankhadenough 10 months ago
@Yankhadenough that's awful - I've heard a lot about the battle in Florida, although not as much as I have about Wisconsin.
I think the number was 18 anti-abortion bills that were voted on in Florida since the new state government took it's place. Whether or not you support abortion, I think that 18 abortion bills doesn't leave much room for creating jobs...
Yet he finds enough time to squash unions? hmm
meehee45 10 months ago
@meehee45 Rick Scott is pure bait 'n switch scam, he is destroying public jobs and pensions to cut public services so that his corporate cohorts in crime will have "excuse" to insist upon more corporate tax cuts! Rick Scott tricked a lot of voters with "jobs" rhetoric, but he is lies, ALL lies. We hear of voters' remorse every day in Florida :( What did they honestly expect from the CEO of the largest Medicare fraud in US history, good grief.
Yankhadenough 10 months ago
@asf7sg89 HAHAHAHAHAHA. Liberal CGI. I know. They made the mistake of propping up someone sane, now that they are going crazy we can beat them down with Reagan. God damn the state of politics is sad.
daswann14 11 months ago
@daswann14 Excuse me, but how does damning God help our country? If you knew God you would know that to damn Him is to open the gates of hell. My husband died in the line of duty as a Union Firefighter. I know he is now an Angel for the living Firefighters. He never damned God. He believed in Him and as he died he prayed for people like you. God needed him more then me because of all the lost souls. You are now in my prayers. When you become a real man, you will know God too.
NanaGreene1 11 months ago
@NanaGreene1 LOL. 1st of all god damn is a very common expression baby ears. I said damn politics not God. Second since you wanna go there... Fuck God. Fuck your god, fuck every other god. They are all imaginary. Sorry about your husband, but he's not in heaven. Heaven doesn't exist. It's actually sad how you're rationalizing his death. Dead is not better than alive. He was not taken for a purpose. I am a real man. You're the one that believes in fairy tales and talks to imaginary friends.
daswann14 11 months ago
@daswann14 Calm down. You're making yourself look like a damn fool.
Trimbler00 11 months ago
@Trimbler00 I am calm. She's the one who made a stink over the m.ost trivial of semantics.
daswann14 11 months ago